A minor sin missed: In the Japan chapter, Bentley says "this place is locked down tighter than..." And sly replies with "your database, murray's pants", but Murray doesn't wear pants, and I don't think any version had pants
You know, when a relative and myself were playing this game, we were discussing that both El Jefe and Rajan can use electric-based attacks so we just concluded that all tigers in Sly Cooper were descended from the mighty Zeus. Btw, I LOVE these "Everything wrong with" game versions. They are just as good as the originals in my opinion!
No, they are BETTER. They are much less popular and make less money so issues are easily waved away, but even so there are less of them. Most of the mistakes made are things that are reasonably hand waved away or are actually confusing things. The evidence for many of the reasons usually come from deep lore.
I've gotten over my initial anger of what they did with Penelope but eh, it still kind of bugs me. Also take it from a black dude, The Grizz was stereotypical in a funny way, it could have been much worse.
Oh yeah I realize that but I was under the assumption that she changed herself after she joined the gang just like the Panda King and Dmitri did (both were villains who later became good) add to that she and Bentley had a thing you gotta feel sorry for the dude.
Renny Raccoon Honestly, her being an antagonist is *cool* though. ESPECIALLY because she and Bentley used to be a thing, and that she's just as smart as he is with technology with or without his help. She's a force to be reckoned with in my opinion, if the boss AND mid-boss (the hydra thing) fights prove anything.
Izzym00 I liked the idea but just like a lot if the story in this game it just could've been done a little better. I love the game but the story is kinda weak
Why do the best things end abruptly on cliffhangers?(franchisewise) i mean the sly series did it, sonic satam and x did the same. Just leave it on where it can end but leave room if you want a sequel
We still dont have anything about The movie or another game i Learned that The creators of sly stoped making The series and went and make sonic BOOM GREAT ISNT IT
actually one of the heads of Sanzaru was asked about this in an interview, they DID in fact have the intention to resolve it by selling the Egypt level as DLC, which is another can of bullshit worms for another day, but they said that the story for the egypt dlc is all on paper but due to the game not selling well Sony basically said "yeah it's done" and the dlc never got made
Honestly, this game itself needs to have a sequel. So many coopers referred to in history and we've only hit 5. Slytankamen, "One Eye", His Dad...I need to know more!
I don't want an unnecessary sequel to the unnecessary sequel. Sly 3 was the perfect ending and this game ruined it in the first 10 minutes. Then the devs slapped a cliffhanger ending onto this game because they were so sure they'd get a continuation that they didn't even consider playing it safe. So now the Sly Cooper series ends on a completely unresolved cliffhanger with characters who were utterly ruined by the events of the final adventure. The best stories have a beginning, a middle, and most importantly, an END.
With how the game ended, Sly 5 would probably go something like this: Sly encounters Slytutkhamen (however you spell it) since he was the first recorded Cooper from the beginning of the Thevius Raccoonus, then he mentions how he's in peril and Sly tries to help him stay alive, only for them to encounter pre-mechanized Clockwerk, and they can only beat him working together, meaning that it's Sly's fault Clockwerk turned himself into a robot to try and kill all future Coopers, essentially creating one of those time loops that fiction writers love. Then Sly comes back to the present only to find everything different, cause this series loves its cliffhangers. In all seriousness, this is one of my favorite game franchises of all time, and even though this game is pretty dumb at times, I'm glad it came out. But I feel as though there will never be a legitimate conclusion without some lose end. Also, I have literally no idea how they would work Penelope into the 5th game if they tried. I could see Bentley and Murray traveling back or meeting their ancient Egyptian equivalents that worked with TutKhamen, but they'd have to stretch it really damn far.
+Thunder Ryu some people think that Sly becomes Slytunkhamen. I assume it's like in Futurama when Fry's grandfather dies in the past and Fry becomes his own grandfather.
I like the idea of Sly running into his Egyptian ancestor, but I like the angle of what you described as more of an Intro and Chapter One, so that the rest of the game is focused on the fucked-up present. Just my 2 cents, though.
I think I'd much prefer Sly 5 to have at least a bittersweet ending instead of a cliffhanger ending. Even just something like "Sly 3" where they could come back if they wanted to but it would still be a good stopping note. Plus, Sly hasn't had a truly happy ending since the first game, even "Sly 3" was bittersweet.
light yagami actually is true there were never any plans on a sly five game. Fun fact Murray character was meant to be bi, but when the voice actor try to do it he sounded to much like Barney so they cut that out.
There are two missing sins I could think of: Missing sin #1: Le Paradox only gets a life sentence? Bullshit, all the other main villains of each Sly game literally DIED at the end! Clockwerk: scrapped by Sly, Arpeggio: eaten by Clock-La, Clock-La: scrapped by Sly, again, and rotted away when the hate chip was destroyed, and Dr. M: crushed by a cave-in that he refused to leave since it had the Coopers' treasure! Missing sin #2: THOSE. FREAKING. LOADING. TIMES!
0:52 "Why would anyone start with the fourth game in the series?" *sweats and glances at my copy of Sly 4 that I got for Christmas and was my first Sly Cooper game*
The point about Clockwerk was spot-on. When I got to the end was pretty certain Le Paradox was going to turn out to be Clockwerk all along and would eventually turn himself into a mecha-owl and use his knowledge of the future and time travel to fool people into thinking he was originally an owl to cover his tracks. His motivation is even identical to Clockwerk's: butthurt that Sly's family's better and wants them dead so he can be number 1. It would have made his defeat more impactful as he'd be defeating the being who kickstarted his origin story, although it would've created a paradox. Instead we got generic time travel revenge plot no. 256
15:35 I'm pretty sure there was a line earlier in the game where one of the villains says something along the lines of the henchmen being from the present, but being dressed up to fit within the time periods they're being transported to as to not draw attention.
@@alakazamlover4908 Well... The better half of the worse games, anyways. Big Red Button made the WiiU game, Sanzaru made Fire and Ice (which... Also wasn't great, but the Sonic fandom collectively agrees it's still leagues better than BRB's game, so they've got *that* going for them)
Many? Don't you mean all but the prelude and final battles? Also, those are considered sort of easter eggs for long time fans. It's completely possible to miss them, and thus they aren't considered times where Clockwork is "directly seen," despite the fact that it's literally Clockwork, while Bently's daydream is, well...just a daydream.
@Aceres Red Eyes PLEASE don't tell me that you're one of those people that say "I don't like this game so therefore it isn't canon!" At the end of Sly 3, Bentley literally says "Time will tell, literally! Because I building a time machine!" Which proves that Sly 4 is canon, whether you like it or not!
Honestly. I like you better than CinemaSins. Because their voice guy has NO emotion at all in his voice and it's gotten boring. But I like your voice better
*_21:54_* extra sin: Bently should've realized Penolipe was the Black Kinght sooner since a giant version of her obvious logo (which is the siloet of her face) in the middle of said Black Knight's chest ( and no it's not La Peridox's logo is shown at *_31:37_* )
14:02 - actually, if Sly hadn't intervened, keep in mind that Toothpick had the cooper van, and with it, the time machine! If Sly hadn't showed up, Toothpick would've actually used the time machine to warp the train into the future!
Murray is forced to play a rhythm game similar to dance dance revolution *ding* Murray is forced to play a game of Simon just to keep up with the grizz *ding* Carmelita is forced to play a rhythm game similar to dance dance revolution *ding* Tennessee cooper doesn't say it's high noon during the use of his crackshot *ding* back to back travel to the past samurai cooper *ding* none of the guards in the shooting competition questions Carmelita's shock pistol as the shock pistol is very modern compared to the location and the fact that it shoots electricity should at lest raise several eyebrows *ding* What about the treasures in the cooper vault if the history was being erased from the thevious racoonus wouldn't that mean the treasure in the vault has disappeared as well and when they get the ancestors canes back imagine what treasures would be added to the vault now that some of them learned about modern technology *ding*
Overwatch came 2 years after Thieves in Time. And Red Dead Revolver came 9 years before Sly 4 and 11 years before Overwatch, from where they both stole this feature!
The three biggest sins in the whole game weren't even mentioned here. 1. This game ruined Sly's suave, lady's man personality. In every game up until now, he's been so smooth and charming in front of Carmelita, but in this game he's just SUCH a wimp around her, it's like he has a completely different set of character traits. Needless to say, it took away a LOT of the charm of Sly's character, it almost felt like whoever made this script didn't even have a good idea of what kind of personality Sly has... not to mention all the witty dialogue from the past games has been replaced with facepalm worthy lines, but that's another thing entirely. 2. This game ruined Penelope's character entirely. I could go on a full rant about this for hours, but suffice to say Sly 3 Penelope and Sly 4 Penelope are like... two COMPLETELY different characters. I think Sanzaru just wanted an excuse to get rid of her as a main character... the person she showed herself to be in Sly 3 was completely ignored so she could be written off as a minor villain and ultimately out of the game... there's SO MUCH wrong here and that's just the surface, it's infuriating. 3. The final boss battle is a quicktime event. THE. FINAL. BOSS. BATTLE. IN. A. FREAKING. SLY. COOPER. GAME. IS. A. QUICKTIME. EVENT. That's beyond inexcusable. There is NO gaming franchise from my childhood like Sly Cooper, it was the video game icon of my youth, a series I played more then any other as a kid EASILY, but this game just... sigh... I hope Sanzaru never touches Sly again EVER.
It's not a gripe with quicktime events themselves. They can definitely be done right, like the ones done in the Naruto Storm games for example. The problem here is that it's the FINAL BOSS BATTLE. And it's NOTHING but quicktime events. Compare that to the previous games. Sly 1's three stage battle vs. clockwork, or Sly 3's Dr. M. Battle. Heck, even Sly 2's turret segment of a final boss battle is amazing by comparison. Those were all challenging and required quick a few tries for kids and anyone playing the games for the first time. Sly 4s is nothing like that. It's a mockery of Sly Cooper boss battles, heck, it's the worst boss fight in the entire 4 game franchise, and it's a FINAL boss fight. That's... terrible. No innovation, no challenge, no fun whatsoever. It's so anticlimatic and outright disappointing... and it's the ENTIRE FIGHT. It doesn't even have segments like... you know, EVERY other boss fight in the game.
Several things, The ancestors canes look nothing like how they did in the original Sly Cooper games and every ancestor plays like a Sly clone and when we were promised during interviews that they weren't Sly clones Every ancestor are all stereotypes from their culture and they hardly show any real personality at all. Also Salim Al Kupar was reduced from a guy who had the stealth of 40 thieves, to a Raccoon in a group called 40 Thieves. And literally every one of them is a rat. Penelope's disappearance could have been easily portrayed as she never joined the gang because of all these time paradoxes and the whole journey could have been to help Sly from not disappearing or something. Also Sly Coopers art design was pretty much like a cartoon comic when it came to cutscenes in the original trilogy but now they look pure cartoony Unless they have a REALLY good reason for it, a video game company shouldn't change proper cannon like former team members becoming villain or changing Salims origin when Sanzaru games didn't create Sly Cooper at all. These locations in time or more like dimensions because they don't have any effect by time at all. Sly is the only person who has repeated postures during Binocucom call while others don't. Bob knows the Dive move before it was even invented and written down in the Thievious Racoonus.
Team DRC i will agree on a few points. Just blame those on the fact that they were TOLD things about the franchise instead of doin the games themselves or research to ensure they knew they weren’t going to ruin anything unless they planned to reboot
My biggest question is how the fuck did some of the ancestors knew techniques that were invinted centuries later their deaths? (Like Sir Galleth doing the ninja moves)
Straight up fuck this game. Character and cannon ruining shit fest that makes clockwork AN EASTER EGG in a game focused on some loon trying to murder his ancestry. REALLY devs?
That part about Penelope saying that LeParadox was just a “means to an end.” Is it possible that she was actually unaware of LeParadox’s true intentions and was deceived like the others. She probably doesn’t even realized that she was traitor.
Ok Sam riegel, you have officially won me over they honestly were right to pick you for the voice of Tennessee kid Cooper You do a really remarkable job with this particular role. Not even joking!
tecnicaly clockwork is in the game, in the background, alwais watching... thats actualy kind a cool and creepy, you don't NEED a boss fight... but hes father?, yea i want to see him, maybe even save hes ass
These are really great. Not only did you perfectly capture CinemaSins' style of humor perfectly, you've even managed to come up with your own running gags or spins on CS's running gags (I'm really glad you have the "furry lapdance" joke since CS has abandoned theirs). You deserve WAY more views and subs than you currently have.
33:52 but Le paradox got off the blimp with sly's parachute, leaving sly on a crash course through time Since sly was still on the blimp. You'd need to know where in time he is to find him with the time machine.
I'm still mad by the fact of Penelope being the villain! It just doesn't make any sense! In Sly 3 she was a great teammate, admired Sly and loved Bentley for saving her!
10:20 I'm pretty sure at the credits of the game, they establish that Tennessee was more of a vigilante than a criminal, I guess he did things the John Marston way from then on
I know. I have so many questions. What happens to Sly? Does he get back to the present? Does Bentley ever find Penelope? If so, what will happen? Like I said, those are the questions I want answered.
30:34 I'm not surprised Murray was intent on cross-dressing. The original team at Sucker Punch had intended for Murray to be homosexual until deciding against it as while funny, it didn't really lend itself to the story they were weaving nor that much comedy potential to make it worth pursuing. Sanzaru apparently thought differently and brought back that aspect on a low-key to be played up for humor... which, as we see, is falling flat.
34:18 So, we're just going to ignore the fact that Toothpick was going to get killed by the train, with his henchmen trying to warn him, even though he's already deaf to even hear them, or even train coming? ...Ok. Alright, I know this series isn't any bit of sunshine and rainbows, but how much darker could this game get?!
If you want my opinion, the biggest sin of this game is Penelope's character. I mean, Penelope in Sly 3 was one of my favourite characters, not just because she had a cute design, but I loved the fact that Bentley had someone he loved, a girlfriend, an amazing tech partner. Not only that, but Penelope admired Sly's team, she enjoyed helping the team with whatever they can and there was no sign of her disliking anything about it. The way she was portrayed in this game is just the complete opposite! There was nothing in her character from Sly 3 represented in this game! Instead, they made her into a minor villain to mess up Bentley's feelings and find a way to get her out of the series! That's just wrong, people! They could've found another way to not bring back Penelope back to the series that doesn't involve making her into a villain when there was no reason for her to be one in the first place!!! THEY COMPLETELY RUINED PENELOPE'S CHARACTER!!!!!! I'm serious, after I beat that chapter, I stopped playing the game for a month just so I can cope with that moment. I hate this chapter BECAUSE of the fact that Penelope is the Villain. It's awful, it's stupid and it's such a killjoy, that made this, at least for me, the worst chapter in the game, BY FAR!!!!!! The only saving grace I had for this chapter is that at least Sly's ancestor Galleth Cooper was entertaining. EDIT: Now I'll say this. If they want to make Penelope a villain, they could at least make a better excuse! There must be an even more powerful reason for Penelope's betrayal, because what we've got from the game was poorly done, thus seeing how many people don't like the plot-twist OR the fact of Penelope suddenly becoming a villain (WHICH I'M ONE OF THEM!). One good example is that she may have traveled to the future and saw a horrible tragedy happened to the cooper gang, like they died in a heist or the clockwork may have returned and killed them, or anything! That would make a good excuse for Penelope to be a "Villain" so that she could try and have Bentley leave the Cooper Gang and save him. I know there are other ways for Penelope to be a villain, but what we got from the game was poorly done!
Actually clockwork is actually in the game not only on the cut scene, you see him in someplaces if you remember the first game that the pages of the book and you remember the times in sly you may see him
1:23 She also wasn't taller than Bentley. Then again, it probably HAS been a few years in-universe since Honor Among Thieves. 2:33 Cooper Family Luck, perhaps? 3:15 He WAS supposed to have amnesia, remember? 3:29 Now THIS, this is what I imagine Carmelita sounding like. Congrats, Sanzaru, you actually got her voice right. Also, it's Grey Delisle-Griffin. 3:41 Because why the hell not? 3:59 In real-life it was Hanaya Yohei. The Sly Cooper timeline obviously doesn't completely follow real-life history. Also, a game made you learn something. 4:23 To be fair, there probably are non-sentient pigs in the Sly Cooper universe. 4:57 Fish are probably non-sentient in the Sly Cooper universe, given that we never see any sentient ones. 5:19 It is implied that El Jefe knew about the Cooper Gang's plan from the beginning, so he probably DOES know she's on vacation, but is acting like he doesn't know to trick the Cooper Gang. 6:30 He knows about the Cooper Gang's plan, so he's probably doing it on purpose. 6:42 He knows that's Murray in disguise, he's just acting like he doesn't to trick the Cooper Gang. 6:51 The fact that he KNOWS that's Murray makes it worse. 7:11 Pretty sure that's been the rules since Thievius Raccoonus, remember the roosters? 7:19 It's Spanish for "the boss". Also, Sly could know this, given how much time he has spent with Carmelita, so... 7:36 "Dragging out cutscene for dramatic effect" cliché. 7:47 "Minions are dumb as bricks" cliché. 8:12 I think that's what he meant. Also, before you ask, no, his capture in India doesn't count, because the Contessa was with the Klaww Gang the whole time. 8:43 Witnesses. 9:04 Unless maybe you're a public nuisance in doing so. Also, again, a game made you learn something. 9:22 He's Eastern European, so it's probably Russian or Ukrainian. 9:59 Not sure if he's serious or if he's just kidding. 10:18 If this was 1934, it probably WOULD be considered honorable to steal from banks. Also, during his epilogue, it is stated that he began stealing from corrupt lawmen. 10:47 The voices in his head, maybe? 10:59 A typo in a video game? How original. 11:12 Pretty much. Drinking alcohol would have given it a "T" rating, at best. 11:50 A few years ago, and that would have given it a "T". 12:09 I imagine that she has excellent aim in-universe, but Sly is just THAT good at dodging. Or maybe she's sort of missing on purpose. 12:46 She probably doesn't know that, and besides, she's only flirting with Tennessee to make Sly jealous. 13:33 It IS 1884, and he certainly has the face of a douchebag, so... 13:58 This WAS most likely an homage to Back to the Future, Part III. 14:01 Given that they didn't know the bridge was broken, that's probably irrelevant. 14:16 Nope. 14:23 Why don't you? 14:38 And yet, so funny. 15:15 Sabretooths were probably non-sentient in the Sly Cooper universe. 15:32 Maybe the Grizz and Le Paradox taught them English? 15:41 For all we know, he IS reading the subtitles. I mean, he does look down a few times during the conversation. 15:54 Worth noting, technically Murray invented the 80's montage, nearly 12,000 years BEFORE the 80's. 16:18 I'm gonna assume that in-universe, only Bentley's head is on screen. 16:59 He's calling Le Paradox, so maybe the radio transceiver is on the blimp. 17:33 And the time he stole the expensive Bavarian chocolate bar just to mess with Carmelita. 19:10 Why not? 19:22 I'm pretty sure that's the joke. 19:41 The other robot's the same kind of metal, so... 19:53 That's probably just generic chit-chat that Penelope programmed the robots to say. 20:09 Well, he had to restore his family legacy, so... 20:35 Again, the robots probably haven't been around for a year, they're just programmed to say stuff like that. 21:34 In Sly's defense, she pretty much only teamed up with him before because it was convenient for her, not because she wanted to. 21:49 Maybe it was recharging? 22:04 Maybe they hoped to gather more intelligence on the Black Knight while she was on her way. 22:36 As far as Bentley knows, the Black Knight kidnapped her. Or maybe he just didn't WANT to consider that they were one and the same. 22:45 That doesn't mean she still believes in it. 23:03 This is probably the best argument against all those who swear that Penelope COULDN'T turn evil. 24:27 Maybe she did, in which case, that's a clever reference. ...Nah. 24:34 Maybe... 24:59 No, she did all this to "unlock his true potential". 25:38 The police only have to prove that it's stolen and that Le Paradox bought it knowing that it was stolen, so... 25:48 That's Cooper Family Luck for ya. 26:17 Too much potential for a time paradox, since Sly's cane originally was his father's cane, so if Le Paradox stole it... 26:36 Entirely possible. Some have theorized that he went back to thieving because he was getting frustrated with all the procedures and the bureaucracy, so his increased snarky-ness could have been an extension of that. 26:51 The joke is that she was THAT bad. 27:25 If they don't know what they're getting themselves into, it would make sense for them to play it safe. For all they know, his place is booby-trapped and opening the door will set off whatever dangerous traps he has. 27:53 Rule of Funny. Look it up. 28:39 Again, Sly Cooper history does not always equal real-life history. Also, yet again, a game made you learn something. 28:55 That's the joke. 29:28 Maybe Miss Decibel's music was actually MUCH louder in-universe? 30:35 Believe it or not, Murray was originally planned to be bisexual during development of Thievius Raccoonus. 30:57 That earlier cutscene showed a younger Salim, so it's possible he had the hook gold-plated at some point. Also, you seriously didn't notice that until now? 31:13 Sly Cooper-universe anatomy does not always equal real-world anatomy. 31:41 As long as they intend to return the ancestors, it's probably fine. 31:48 Le Paradox, maybe? On a related note, when, where, and for what purpose DID he get Carmelita's normal outfit? 32:16 Because he wasn't done with the crap he had to do in the present-day. 33:02 On the point of "why not go after Bob", it's been speculated that Le Paradox found Bob by accident. As far as anyone knew until then, Slytunkhamen I was the first Cooper. So, why not just go after Slytunkhamen I as a baby? 33:31 They probably weren't that big in-universe.33:35 See previous counter-argument. 33:49 He probably meant more like "when" Sly was. 34:19 He also remained trapped in 1884, just so you know. 34:39 She's probably good at composing and teaching music, but not at performing it. 35:07 Well, we had to wait EIGHT years for Thieves in Time to come out, so...
15: Because Dimitri only needs himself to have a good time, and that is NOT a sexual euphemism 145: hopefully Sucker Punch will pick it up after Ghosts of Tsushima
26:15 Ya know, I never even thought of that. Sly's father was the reason Le Paradox's father was caught in the first place, and Le Paradox didn't even bother targeting him for personal reasons?
Why are people allways like "Furry is the worst thing you can be"? Yes it is kind of weird, but it's actually pretty harmless and sometimes spreads some nice artwork. + there is so much more that would much worse than being a furry. One sin point for humanity.
The ultimate sin in the game? Le Paradox stealing the canes was entirely pointless, rather than just a trophy for the captures of the ancestors. Sure, Toothpick, Grizz, and Penelope all did their jobs by capturing the respective Coopers and then taking their canes, but taking the canes at all didn't mean anything. It was all because they were thwarted and captured (with the exception of Salim, who avoided capture). Besides, the Coopers more than likely had more than one cane; just look at all the canes in the Cooper Vault on Kaine Island. Also, here's an interesting fact: Rioichi was friends with a shark, who then grew old, and for his final wish, he told Riochi to use his flesh and make it into the finest sushi.
When Penelope said "It's time to pay the fiddler", she was referring to herself, since she played the gang like, you know, a fiddle. So this doesn't count as a sin.
True, it wasn’t the first time sly has been caught & put in jail. But that wasn’t Sly’s choice. He & Murray were only locked up cause Neyla betrayed them. In this game. It was totally Sly’s (& Bently’s) choice for him to get arrested & thrown in jail
Gameboy224 Mostly gameplay. Sly 2 was a huge jump in the right direction from Sly 1, going from simple platformer to stealth platformer with customization. Sly 3 expanded on said customization and added as what's commonly known as the hardest boss in Sly history, Dr. M. Play through Sly 2 and 3 and you'll see that Sanzaru actually removed *a lot* of the gadgets, Carmelita does not initiate any missions herself thus making her a playable character that you can select in the Safehouse a bit pointless (I mean she does less damage than in Sly 3, and isn't that good at hub worlding), and Sanzaru made pretty much all of the boss fights scripted, especially El Jefes, Miss Decibel, and Le Paradox (Who's the final boss!).
Sly 4 is far the best sly game I played those original 3 games when I was a very little tiny rat. But let me explain - Bigger and better designed maps. - Game depth in collecting treasures and bottles is not as easy and its way more rewarding that it used to be. - New outfit system was a great idea with connecting to collect treasures. - Minigames (Hacks) are better and less boring. More color into them. - Boss fights were really clever and u had to realize patterns and what to do with those bosses. But i have to agree, final boss was a big fat disappointment with quicktime-events. - You can play as the ancestors and Carmelita. - Missions have a lot more "themselfs" missions where you dont use the main map all the time. - Gameplay feels different, but smoother. (Controls) But if theres something done wrong in this game. It's the character "look" desing. Look at some of the ancestors and the fat elefant with trumpet. So creative.
Vallu Gamer Sly 4 did have it's good points (Most of which you already stated). But there are some major flaws and disappointments. - Boss fights are incredibly scripted in Sly 4 imo. Not to say that the trilogy didn't have scripted boss fights, but Sly 4 is the worst offender of this. (Scripted as in, you can only hit the boss after doing ___. Repeat this 3 times). - The removal of gadgets. RIP: Health Extractor, Glutenous Roar, Aboriginal Ball Form, Combat Dodge, Feral Pounce, Temporal Lock, and many more. - Sly game involves time travel. Doesn't include Sly's dad or Clockwerk... DISAPPOINTMENT! - It feels like the revolved Sly's gameplay revolve too much around his costumes. The costumes aren't a bad thing necessarily (They're actually pretty neat), but when you literally cannot beat any boss then it's over centralizing imo. - Sanzaru went on and on about Carmelita being playable. Literally doesn't start any missions herself and is only used 3 times, 1 time being a mini game. - Bob Cooper. A Cooper that Le Paradox shouldn't know about because the Thievius Racoonus hadn't been invented yet. But hey these "flaws" are just my opinion.
+Z.D.F why you whining tho.. Basically everything you stated is just unnessecary crying. Be happy there is a sly 4. It's good they didnt include sly's dad. He's supposed to be a mystery.
I had the headcannon that slys being a master thief is why Carmalitas got a hard time hitting him: it’s not that she sucks, it’s that he’s so good he’s able to avoid them LIKE she sucks.
Ok, I take issue with Sly clarifying that Carmelita believed he had amnesia. She didn't. I know the final cutscene of the 3rd game was a bit subtle and ambiguous as to whether she actually bought it or not, but if you look at where their relationship is moving in the 3rd game, you can tell that she doesn't actually believe him. She plays along because they both want this, want to be together, and this is an easy out of their current situation. Even if your interpretation is that she did believe him, I highly doubt he would've kept that a secret from her for the rest of their lives. He also couldn't.
I would like to add a sin for the end level of murry training bob specifically the egg on where you are basically shaking your controller to death hoping you'll get it this time
Another minor sin missed. Sly's hat falls off in his fight with Decibel. It happens like a few seconds before 31:02 in the cutscene. When we see it next, it's on top of the blimp right next to Sly. The character models aren't near the top yet so that hat should be lost to time. Pun intended.
Regarding murray being REALLY into the idea of dressing as a belly-dancer, apparently when the voice actors were given character sheets of who they will be voicing, it included various details and blurbs about them as a person. For Murray, one line said "Sexuality: Questioning". (Thus the VA had an odd image of "a gay pink hippo who doesn't wear pants" -his words, not mine-, and decided to give that character murray's current voice of some kind of mentally handicapped Barney...... which is.... a choice...) So, the answer to the question "Do you have something you wanna tell us, Murray?", is "yeah, probably". Also kinda makes the decision at the start of Sly 3 to "find himself" have an unintended alternative interpretation.
Wait you didn't sin the fact that in Bentleys "Where are they now" bit he describes what happened to the ancestors after the events of Sly 4 but completely left out the whole "Being killed by Clockwerk" thing. * *Ding* *
Actually, only Sly's dad was ever canonically killed by Clockwerk. All the others were simply stalked by him. He even says it. "Remarkable, you coopers always find a way to beat me!"
Gamelover254 well I’m sure Clockwerk at least managed to kill a few Coopers considering how powerful he’s been portrayed. Unless Sanzaru games was implying Sky’s father had terrible fighting skills
Kyle Campbell in sanzaru’s defense if that is true, it could just be that he had retired or somethin and was caught by surprise before he could even react.
@@ilopominecrafter Sly's dad was ganged up on by the Fiendish Five, Clockwerk, Panda King, Mz. Ruby, Muggshot and Raliegh. Clockwerk alone can't beat a Cooper but the combined might of these powerful criminals could since Sly has trouble dealing with just one of them.
@@MysteriousTomJenkins Also he outwitted Le Paradox's father, knocked Muggshot out and invented the laser slide. Conner was a good fighter. And had probably beat Clockwerk before getting married and ambushed by the owl. Maybe the other ancestors beat Clockwerk in their prime, grew old, then he murdered them.
The cooper line consists of Japanese, Arabian, western, European bloodlines among many others not mentioned in the game and you really can't guess that theres not A) blood mixing and B) international travel? 3 of the blood lines are in literal different continents and sly steals from around the world. But thats just my argument.
Bonus sin: just before the cutscene ends 4:08 Sly , after explaining the situation , says it was all a big fish to swallow as a bad joke in reference to sushi made from fish. That is just dark , horrible and deserves 5 more sins. Sin counter 22
You missed the big one in this video, "Of Mice and Men" doesn't take place in the medieval period, it takes place in America during the Great Depression
Justadoo444 I just get pissed at it because if anybody has not read the book, they will basically believe it takes place in medieval times, and this just piles onto the confusion and is just one of my many complaints with this Game
there were no guns during the medieval time period (or farming machinery) so the method that Lenny died proves it didn't happen during medieval days (also they make mention of the great depression)
1:35 how did Charri5 not catch this! The Theivius Racoonus had a keyhole on its side that bounded it shut. But NOOOOO somehow Bentley is just able to INSTANTLY open the book WITHOUT ANY KIND OF FUCKIN’ KEY. Come on, Charri!
BTW, Sly has upgrade for his cane from the second game which allows him to climb on ice walls. And this little detail makes Bob ABSOLUTLY USELESS! 24:11 And yeah, Murray now can swim. But at the same time, he can't. The magic of the swimsuit, i guess?
Also, regarding the sin of which animals are sentient or anthropomorphic: Never consistent. Arpeggio, Mz. Ruby, Grizz, and the Dingos from Sly 3 have human-level intelligence but the Wolf and Gator from Sly 3, the Bears and Hawks from Sly 2, and the chickens from Sly 1 behave like normal animals. Evolution is fickle, eh?
I just say it’s kinda like the relationship between humans and chimps. One line branched off and became anthropomorphic. While the other stayed animalistic.
This game could have easily been a soft reboot for the series, changing up a few things to breath some life into the series and bring up some new angles for the series to go while reviving characters in a logical way. Time travel is involved so it makes perfect sense for Clockwerk and Sly's dad to be around in the story and it would have been cool and emotional to see both, to see the fear and anger of Clockwerk coming back for both Sly and Bentley and the Cooper Gang meeting Sly's dad. Hell, you could have seen a Dr. M before he went insane, maybe time travel hijinx make it to where he doesn't turn evil and due to him not turning evil, Sly's dad actually has a fighting chance against the Fiendish Five and lives so Sly never gets orphaned. So much potential and instead we get flanderized, cliche characters and a cliff hanger ending. I understand why I have never played this game despite having the ability to constantly.
Mitch Irwin I mean obviously, but we bothered the absolute heck out of him for the Sly Cooper Franchise for years. He knows what's happening if a new game comes out
Acerphest Studios yeah, I'm just saying after doing the two jack and daxter and all the ratchet and clank games before tools of destruction, then that Sony unites game
Acerphest Studios Nope. Not until he does the Ratchet and Clank trilogy and the Jak and Faster trilogy. HOP TO IT CHARRII! EDIT: Jak and Daxter trilogy
*NEXT UP:* Fly me to the moon, again.
Charriii5 Bayonetta 2 right?
Charriii5 Dude you should be a private investigator or a detective. If anything be a lawyer or an announcer for a gaming convention.
BAYONETTA 2
Portal 2?
Charriii5 Injustice 2
A minor sin missed:
In the Japan chapter, Bentley says "this place is locked down tighter than..." And sly replies with "your database, murray's pants", but Murray doesn't wear pants, and I don't think any version had pants
So Murray was naked the whole time?
@@SealSlap5069 thank you for that thought
He could've tried to before off-screen with no discernible success.
@@SealSlap5069 half-naked
Well he wears pants in the movie that never happened.
"Why is Dimitri partying? ...with himself?"
You're telling me you don't have a disco on your own?
Dimitri is mood, when u are at home alone :D
charrii doesn't know the true meaning of not having friends
@@buccaneerguy8197 thats just sad... and true
if you can't party with yourself, who can you party with?
@@twlightwolf8463 if you have firends (wich no one has) you can propably party with them
You know, when a relative and myself were playing this game, we were discussing that both El Jefe and Rajan can use electric-based attacks so we just concluded that all tigers in Sly Cooper were descended from the mighty Zeus.
Btw, I LOVE these "Everything wrong with" game versions. They are just as good as the originals in my opinion!
This comment just made my day! I love it!
No, they are BETTER. They are much less popular and make less money so issues are easily waved away, but even so there are less of them. Most of the mistakes made are things that are reasonably hand waved away or are actually confusing things. The evidence for many of the reasons usually come from deep lore.
I've gotten over my initial anger of what they did with Penelope but eh, it still kind of bugs me. Also take it from a black dude, The Grizz was stereotypical in a funny way, it could have been much worse.
Oh yeah I realize that but I was under the assumption that she changed herself after she joined the gang just like the Panda King and Dmitri did (both were villains who later became good) add to that she and Bentley had a thing you gotta feel sorry for the dude.
Yes it was, make you wonder what they were gonna do with her in the next game since she was the only one that got away.
Renny Raccoon Honestly, her being an antagonist is *cool* though. ESPECIALLY because she and Bentley used to be a thing, and that she's just as smart as he is with technology with or without his help.
She's a force to be reckoned with in my opinion, if the boss AND mid-boss (the hydra thing) fights prove anything.
Izzym00 I liked the idea but just like a lot if the story in this game it just could've been done a little better. I love the game but the story is kinda weak
Star Stacker Agreed, it could've been pulled off better honestly ^^
the biggest sin is that it ended on a cliffhanger and the developers have no intention of resolving it, to which I say bullshit!
self helper That's one of the only ones I considered a sin.
Why do the best things end abruptly on cliffhangers?(franchisewise) i mean the sly series did it, sonic satam and x did the same. Just leave it on where it can end but leave room if you want a sequel
We still dont have anything about The movie or another game i Learned that The creators of sly stoped making The series and went and make sonic BOOM GREAT ISNT IT
that is because of sony and not sanzaru, last level was cut due to memory limitations with the ps vita.
actually one of the heads of Sanzaru was asked about this in an interview, they DID in fact have the intention to resolve it by selling the Egypt level as DLC, which is another can of bullshit worms for another day, but they said that the story for the egypt dlc is all on paper but due to the game not selling well Sony basically said "yeah it's done" and the dlc never got made
10:28 - 10:54
isn't it obvious
he is talking to the little voices in his head that tell him to blow stuff up
pic + comment = perfect
What was his pfp
@@giornogiovanna2008 Im pretty sure Google can search the origins of an pictures
Im pretty sure the "Voices in his head" already knew that
Yeah, I think T-kid is “one horn short of a jackalope” if you catch my drift.
Honestly, this game itself needs to have a sequel. So many coopers referred to in history and we've only hit 5. Slytankamen, "One Eye", His Dad...I need to know more!
And don’t forget sleigh mccooper, he’d be voiced by John DiMaggio and play like bob but can do the actual stealth thing
I don't want an unnecessary sequel to the unnecessary sequel. Sly 3 was the perfect ending and this game ruined it in the first 10 minutes. Then the devs slapped a cliffhanger ending onto this game because they were so sure they'd get a continuation that they didn't even consider playing it safe. So now the Sly Cooper series ends on a completely unresolved cliffhanger with characters who were utterly ruined by the events of the final adventure. The best stories have a beginning, a middle, and most importantly, an END.
@jaketucker2559 The scotsman as a racoon? Nice.
With how the game ended, Sly 5 would probably go something like this: Sly encounters Slytutkhamen (however you spell it) since he was the first recorded Cooper from the beginning of the Thevius Raccoonus, then he mentions how he's in peril and Sly tries to help him stay alive, only for them to encounter pre-mechanized Clockwerk, and they can only beat him working together, meaning that it's Sly's fault Clockwerk turned himself into a robot to try and kill all future Coopers, essentially creating one of those time loops that fiction writers love. Then Sly comes back to the present only to find everything different, cause this series loves its cliffhangers.
In all seriousness, this is one of my favorite game franchises of all time, and even though this game is pretty dumb at times, I'm glad it came out. But I feel as though there will never be a legitimate conclusion without some lose end. Also, I have literally no idea how they would work Penelope into the 5th game if they tried. I could see Bentley and Murray traveling back or meeting their ancient Egyptian equivalents that worked with TutKhamen, but they'd have to stretch it really damn far.
+Thunder Ryu some people think that Sly becomes Slytunkhamen. I assume it's like in Futurama when Fry's grandfather dies in the past and Fry becomes his own grandfather.
I like the idea of Sly running into his Egyptian ancestor, but I like the angle of what you described as more of an Intro and Chapter One, so that the rest of the game is focused on the fucked-up present.
Just my 2 cents, though.
you're right the games truly loves its cliffhangers
I think I'd much prefer Sly 5 to have at least a bittersweet ending instead of a cliffhanger ending. Even just something like "Sly 3" where they could come back if they wanted to but it would still be a good stopping note. Plus, Sly hasn't had a truly happy ending since the first game, even "Sly 3" was bittersweet.
I’ve always had the theory that sly is his eqyption ancestor making his whole family tree a bootstrap paradox
Actually the creators of sly 4 decide not to do a sly 5 so they could work on sonic boom. Great choice...
nicholas rivera That better not be true
light yagami actually is true there were never any plans on a sly five game. Fun fact Murray character was meant to be bi, but when the voice actor try to do it he sounded to much like Barney so they cut that out.
nicholas rivera Sly 4 ended on a cliff hanger -___-
nicholas rivera Wow they made the biggest mistake they could make they should of just made sly 5 instead of the abomination that is sonic boom
Swift Suicune Sometimes game series just end with cliffhangers but hopefully sly 5 does happen
There are two missing sins I could think of:
Missing sin #1: Le Paradox only gets a life sentence? Bullshit, all the other main villains of each Sly game literally DIED at the end! Clockwerk: scrapped by Sly, Arpeggio: eaten by Clock-La, Clock-La: scrapped by Sly, again, and rotted away when the hate chip was destroyed, and Dr. M: crushed by a cave-in that he refused to leave since it had the Coopers' treasure!
Missing sin #2: THOSE. FREAKING. LOADING. TIMES!
0:52 "Why would anyone start with the fourth game in the series?"
*sweats and glances at my copy of Sly 4 that I got for Christmas and was my first Sly Cooper game*
Em C I’m in the same boat as you. I wouldn’t have even KNEW about the other 3 games if I hadn’t seen this.
*same*
Yes I actually meet the Sly Cooper franchise by this game
@@cinissonicspeed I’m so sorry for you all . The games not bad but not the best.
It’s like if your first Star Wars film was revenge of the Sith.
@@cinissonicspeed Same here.
The point about Clockwerk was spot-on. When I got to the end was pretty certain Le Paradox was going to turn out to be Clockwerk all along and would eventually turn himself into a mecha-owl and use his knowledge of the future and time travel to fool people into thinking he was originally an owl to cover his tracks. His motivation is even identical to Clockwerk's: butthurt that Sly's family's better and wants them dead so he can be number 1. It would have made his defeat more impactful as he'd be defeating the being who kickstarted his origin story, although it would've created a paradox. Instead we got generic time travel revenge plot no. 256
Or at least Clockwerk could have manipulated Le Paradox and trying to get him to help defeat the Coopers of the past.
15:35 I'm pretty sure there was a line earlier in the game where one of the villains says something along the lines of the henchmen being from the present, but being dressed up to fit within the time periods they're being transported to as to not draw attention.
To anyone who’s wondering; the reason Sanzaru never made Sly 5 is because they ditched it to make Sonic Boom.
No, seriously, they did that.
......WHAT?!?!?!?
they made a WORSE GAME instead of sly 5?!?!? thats just....saddening
@@alakazamlover4908 That is a real shame. :(
@@Aileil truly it is
@@alakazamlover4908 Well... The better half of the worse games, anyways.
Big Red Button made the WiiU game, Sanzaru made Fire and Ice (which... Also wasn't great, but the Sonic fandom collectively agrees it's still leagues better than BRB's game, so they've got *that* going for them)
@@izzy1356 yknow fair
Actually clockwork is in the game, you can find him in many levels on high up places throughout the game.
Many? Don't you mean all but the prelude and final battles?
Also, those are considered sort of easter eggs for long time fans. It's completely possible to miss them, and thus they aren't considered times where Clockwork is "directly seen," despite the fact that it's literally Clockwork, while Bently's daydream is, well...just a daydream.
lizard1255 you got give the creators credit for adding that detail, clockwerk HAS existed since some of the early Cooper
Aceres Red Eyes well the game as a whole is more cartoony
@Aceres Red Eyes PLEASE don't tell me that you're one of those people that say "I don't like this game so therefore it isn't canon!" At the end of Sly 3, Bentley literally says "Time will tell, literally! Because I building a time machine!" Which proves that Sly 4 is canon, whether you like it or not!
Wasn't there also an item that you can get in Sly 4 that is one of Clockwerk's body parts? Yeah I think it allows you to find bottles!
Honestly. I like you better than CinemaSins. Because their voice guy has NO emotion at all in his voice and it's gotten boring.
But I like your voice better
Singamon Master That's racist
*ding!*
and sometimes CenimaSins gives sins for no reason.
I love him more too xD
@@optimuscries9869 so does Charii sometimes
When my brother and I first played the Dancing Geisha Murray part we burst out laughing. I'm like "MURRAY WHAT DID SANZARU DO TO YOU?!"
Taura Fall right I was thinking the same thing
BB Hoody huh that would have been interesting.
BB Hoody Well sh*t mate. The more you learn.
Murray was always awkward and loving with his buds, especially Bentley. I guess it was bound to pop up sooner or later.
BB Hoody Not in my fanfiction
*_21:54_*
extra sin: Bently should've realized Penolipe was the Black Kinght sooner since a giant version of her obvious logo (which is the siloet of her face) in the middle of said Black Knight's chest
( and no it's not La Peridox's logo is shown at *_31:37_* )
14:02 - actually, if Sly hadn't intervened, keep in mind that Toothpick had the cooper van, and with it, the time machine! If Sly hadn't showed up, Toothpick would've actually used the time machine to warp the train into the future!
Murray is forced to play a rhythm game similar to dance dance revolution *ding*
Murray is forced to play a game of Simon just to keep up with the grizz *ding*
Carmelita is forced to play a rhythm game similar to dance dance revolution *ding*
Tennessee cooper doesn't say it's high noon during the use of his crackshot *ding*
back to back travel to the past samurai cooper *ding*
none of the guards in the shooting competition questions Carmelita's shock pistol as the shock pistol is very modern compared to the location and the fact that it shoots electricity should at lest raise several eyebrows *ding*
What about the treasures in the cooper vault if the history was being erased from the thevious racoonus wouldn't that mean the treasure in the vault has disappeared as well and when they get the ancestors canes back imagine what treasures would be added to the vault now that some of them learned about modern technology *ding*
Overwatch came 2 years after Thieves in Time. And Red Dead Revolver came 9 years before Sly 4 and 11 years before Overwatch, from where they both stole this feature!
11:26 I almost died laughing with this whole exchange here, I felt the same way first playing the game
The three biggest sins in the whole game weren't even mentioned here.
1. This game ruined Sly's suave, lady's man personality. In every game up until now, he's been so smooth and charming in front of Carmelita, but in this game he's just SUCH a wimp around her, it's like he has a completely different set of character traits. Needless to say, it took away a LOT of the charm of Sly's character, it almost felt like whoever made this script didn't even have a good idea of what kind of personality Sly has... not to mention all the witty dialogue from the past games has been replaced with facepalm worthy lines, but that's another thing entirely.
2. This game ruined Penelope's character entirely. I could go on a full rant about this for hours, but suffice to say Sly 3 Penelope and Sly 4 Penelope are like... two COMPLETELY different characters. I think Sanzaru just wanted an excuse to get rid of her as a main character... the person she showed herself to be in Sly 3 was completely ignored so she could be written off as a minor villain and ultimately out of the game... there's SO MUCH wrong here and that's just the surface, it's infuriating.
3. The final boss battle is a quicktime event. THE. FINAL. BOSS. BATTLE. IN. A. FREAKING. SLY. COOPER. GAME. IS. A. QUICKTIME. EVENT. That's beyond inexcusable.
There is NO gaming franchise from my childhood like Sly Cooper, it was the video game icon of my youth, a series I played more then any other as a kid EASILY, but this game just... sigh... I hope Sanzaru never touches Sly again EVER.
Amen, and more besides. Shall we grab a big 'ol lemonade and drown our sorrows?
PsychadelicoDuck Just make sure you're not "over the limit" or Carmelita will pull you over for Driving While Sugared-up and taser you lol
RCPTMOE WHY THE FUCK DO PEOPLE HATE QUICK TIME EVENTS?!
It's not a gripe with quicktime events themselves. They can definitely be done right, like the ones done in the Naruto Storm games for example. The problem here is that it's the FINAL BOSS BATTLE. And it's NOTHING but quicktime events. Compare that to the previous games. Sly 1's three stage battle vs. clockwork, or Sly 3's Dr. M. Battle. Heck, even Sly 2's turret segment of a final boss battle is amazing by comparison. Those were all challenging and required quick a few tries for kids and anyone playing the games for the first time. Sly 4s is nothing like that. It's a mockery of Sly Cooper boss battles, heck, it's the worst boss fight in the entire 4 game franchise, and it's a FINAL boss fight. That's... terrible. No innovation, no challenge, no fun whatsoever. It's so anticlimatic and outright disappointing... and it's the ENTIRE FIGHT. It doesn't even have segments like... you know, EVERY other boss fight in the game.
Ok
Several things,
The ancestors canes look nothing like how they did in the original Sly Cooper games and every ancestor plays like a Sly clone and when we were promised during interviews that they weren't Sly clones
Every ancestor are all stereotypes from their culture and they hardly show any real personality at all.
Also Salim Al Kupar was reduced from a guy who had the stealth of 40 thieves, to a Raccoon in a group called 40 Thieves. And literally every one of them is a rat.
Penelope's disappearance could have been easily portrayed as she never joined the gang because of all these time paradoxes and the whole journey could have been to help Sly from not disappearing or something.
Also Sly Coopers art design was pretty much like a cartoon comic when it came to cutscenes in the original trilogy but now they look pure cartoony
Unless they have a REALLY good reason for it, a video game company shouldn't change proper cannon like former team members becoming villain or changing Salims origin when Sanzaru games didn't create Sly Cooper at all.
These locations in time or more like dimensions because they don't have any effect by time at all.
Sly is the only person who has repeated postures during Binocucom call while others don't.
Bob knows the Dive move before it was even invented and written down in the Thievious Racoonus.
Aceres Red Eyes The developers have said in interviews that Sly's ancestor's weren't clones of Sly, but "expansions" of him.
Team DRC i will agree on a few points. Just blame those on the fact that they were TOLD things about the franchise instead of doin the games themselves or research to ensure they knew they weren’t going to ruin anything unless they planned to reboot
Yeah, the knight ancestor looks EXACTLY like Sly and sounds like him. I'm pretty sure they were voiced by the same guy.
My biggest question is how the fuck did some of the ancestors knew techniques that were invinted centuries later their deaths? (Like Sir Galleth doing the ninja moves)
Straight up fuck this game. Character and cannon ruining shit fest that makes clockwork AN EASTER EGG in a game focused on some loon trying to murder his ancestry. REALLY devs?
That part about Penelope saying that LeParadox was just a “means to an end.” Is it possible that she was actually unaware of LeParadox’s true intentions and was deceived like the others. She probably doesn’t even realized that she was traitor.
"Wasn't Sly already a time lord?" Technically, his other technique to slow down time slowed him down just as much as it did the guards.
Well in that case its been shown timelords can witness time however they want so yeah Sly was ALREADY a timelord
Ok Sam riegel, you have officially won me over they honestly were right to pick you for the voice of Tennessee kid Cooper You do a really remarkable job with this particular role. Not even joking!
Should've added 100 sins for changing Penelope into a villain for no reason.
ya there was no evil intentions in 3 i think they just did that just to make drama
Me: Alright, guys, goodnight, i'm going to be-
Chariii5: *uploads a video*
Me: Fuck...
Christopher Gibbs Same
Christopher Gibbs omg so true
Christopher Gibbs same
Christopher Gibbs its 6am and I can't stop watching this shit
wow, omg, lol and :D
8:18 Also, key words being "have to." He didn't HAVE to let Carmelita arrest him, but he did so anyway for Bentley and Murray's sake.
“Fishing? In a world of anthropomorphic animals?”
Welcome to animal crossing and technically Big the Cat
I clicked on this so fast because of EWW and Sly Cooper. Golden!!
Charles Miller "ERW"?
Charles Miller everything wrong with ERW... hoo wee
Gorade "Everything Wrong With"....... fuck lol I messed up
I love the art style of Sly Cooper it has these noticeable lines around everything that make it look like a comic book
24:42 You work for a thief, too though, Penelope.
I literally jumped at 6:52 'cuz I was literally thinking "Uhhhhhh, isn't this a kid's game?"
tecnicaly clockwork is in the game, in the background, alwais watching... thats actualy kind a cool and creepy, you don't NEED a boss fight... but hes father?, yea i want to see him, maybe even save hes ass
Rolando Borghini You mean "his"? Because you say "hes"
But, saving Sly’s father would create an actual paradox, since him dying is how Sly met Murray and Bentley
By God, your grammar.
These are really great. Not only did you perfectly capture CinemaSins' style of humor perfectly, you've even managed to come up with your own running gags or spins on CS's running gags (I'm really glad you have the "furry lapdance" joke since CS has abandoned theirs). You deserve WAY more views and subs than you currently have.
33:52 but Le paradox got off the blimp with sly's parachute, leaving sly on a crash course through time Since sly was still on the blimp. You'd need to know where in time he is to find him with the time machine.
When Sir galleth appeared i couldn't stop myself from saying things "Hi, Yosuke" and "C'mon galleth summon your Persona"
I'm not surprised you had to search up so much history considering this is a game about time travel.
I'm still mad by the fact of Penelope being the villain! It just doesn't make any sense! In Sly 3 she was a great teammate, admired Sly and loved Bentley for saving her!
10:20 I'm pretty sure at the credits of the game, they establish that Tennessee was more of a vigilante than a criminal, I guess he did things the John Marston way from then on
I really hope Sly 5 becomes a thing.
Gravity Falls Canada nope not until the sly tv series and movie comes out.
Gravity Falls Canada everyone does
Gravity Falls Canada everyone does
I know. I have so many questions. What happens to Sly? Does he get back to the present? Does Bentley ever find Penelope? If so, what will happen? Like I said, those are the questions I want answered.
ThePossesedMilkDud it would be weird if the tv series (which comes out next year from this comment) started with gettin sly back from his sly 4 fate
30:34 I'm not surprised Murray was intent on cross-dressing. The original team at Sucker Punch had intended for Murray to be homosexual until deciding against it as while funny, it didn't really lend itself to the story they were weaving nor that much comedy potential to make it worth pursuing. Sanzaru apparently thought differently and brought back that aspect on a low-key to be played up for humor... which, as we see, is falling flat.
34:18 So, we're just going to ignore the fact that Toothpick was going to get killed by the train, with his henchmen trying to warn him, even though he's already deaf to even hear them, or even train coming?
...Ok. Alright, I know this series isn't any bit of sunshine and rainbows, but how much darker could this game get?!
If you want my opinion, the biggest sin of this game is Penelope's character. I mean, Penelope in Sly 3 was one of my favourite characters, not just because she had a cute design, but I loved the fact that Bentley had someone he loved, a girlfriend, an amazing tech partner. Not only that, but Penelope admired Sly's team, she enjoyed helping the team with whatever they can and there was no sign of her disliking anything about it.
The way she was portrayed in this game is just the complete opposite! There was nothing in her character from Sly 3 represented in this game! Instead, they made her into a minor villain to mess up Bentley's feelings and find a way to get her out of the series! That's just wrong, people! They could've found another way to not bring back Penelope back to the series that doesn't involve making her into a villain when there was no reason for her to be one in the first place!!! THEY COMPLETELY RUINED PENELOPE'S CHARACTER!!!!!!
I'm serious, after I beat that chapter, I stopped playing the game for a month just so I can cope with that moment. I hate this chapter BECAUSE of the fact that Penelope is the Villain. It's awful, it's stupid and it's such a killjoy, that made this, at least for me, the worst chapter in the game, BY FAR!!!!!! The only saving grace I had for this chapter is that at least Sly's ancestor Galleth Cooper was entertaining.
EDIT: Now I'll say this. If they want to make Penelope a villain, they could at least make a better excuse! There must be an even more powerful reason for Penelope's betrayal, because what we've got from the game was poorly done, thus seeing how many people don't like the plot-twist OR the fact of Penelope suddenly becoming a villain (WHICH I'M ONE OF THEM!). One good example is that she may have traveled to the future and saw a horrible tragedy happened to the cooper gang, like they died in a heist or the clockwork may have returned and killed them, or anything! That would make a good excuse for Penelope to be a "Villain" so that she could try and have Bentley leave the Cooper Gang and save him.
I know there are other ways for Penelope to be a villain, but what we got from the game was poorly done!
We really need the next game made soon they left us on a cliffhanger
One of your best, man.
And I'm with you, hopefully we will get Sly 5 soon.
Thanks for doing the whole series! I love the Sly games and these videos were hilarious.
Actually clockwork is actually in the game not only on the cut scene, you see him in someplaces if you remember the first game that the pages of the book and you remember the times in sly you may see him
1:23 She also wasn't taller than Bentley. Then again, it probably HAS been a few years in-universe since Honor Among Thieves.
2:33 Cooper Family Luck, perhaps?
3:15 He WAS supposed to have amnesia, remember?
3:29 Now THIS, this is what I imagine Carmelita sounding like. Congrats, Sanzaru, you actually got her voice right. Also, it's Grey Delisle-Griffin.
3:41 Because why the hell not?
3:59 In real-life it was Hanaya Yohei. The Sly Cooper timeline obviously doesn't completely follow real-life history. Also, a game made you learn something.
4:23 To be fair, there probably are non-sentient pigs in the Sly Cooper universe.
4:57 Fish are probably non-sentient in the Sly Cooper universe, given that we never see any sentient ones.
5:19 It is implied that El Jefe knew about the Cooper Gang's plan from the beginning, so he probably DOES know she's on vacation, but is acting like he doesn't know to trick the Cooper Gang.
6:30 He knows about the Cooper Gang's plan, so he's probably doing it on purpose.
6:42 He knows that's Murray in disguise, he's just acting like he doesn't to trick the Cooper Gang.
6:51 The fact that he KNOWS that's Murray makes it worse.
7:11 Pretty sure that's been the rules since Thievius Raccoonus, remember the roosters?
7:19 It's Spanish for "the boss". Also, Sly could know this, given how much time he has spent with Carmelita, so...
7:36 "Dragging out cutscene for dramatic effect" cliché.
7:47 "Minions are dumb as bricks" cliché.
8:12 I think that's what he meant. Also, before you ask, no, his capture in India doesn't count, because the Contessa was with the Klaww Gang the whole time.
8:43 Witnesses.
9:04 Unless maybe you're a public nuisance in doing so. Also, again, a game made you learn something.
9:22 He's Eastern European, so it's probably Russian or Ukrainian.
9:59 Not sure if he's serious or if he's just kidding.
10:18 If this was 1934, it probably WOULD be considered honorable to steal from banks. Also, during his epilogue, it is stated that he began stealing from corrupt lawmen.
10:47 The voices in his head, maybe?
10:59 A typo in a video game? How original.
11:12 Pretty much. Drinking alcohol would have given it a "T" rating, at best.
11:50 A few years ago, and that would have given it a "T".
12:09 I imagine that she has excellent aim in-universe, but Sly is just THAT good at dodging. Or maybe she's sort of missing on purpose.
12:46 She probably doesn't know that, and besides, she's only flirting with Tennessee to make Sly jealous.
13:33 It IS 1884, and he certainly has the face of a douchebag, so...
13:58 This WAS most likely an homage to Back to the Future, Part III.
14:01 Given that they didn't know the bridge was broken, that's probably irrelevant.
14:16 Nope.
14:23 Why don't you?
14:38 And yet, so funny.
15:15 Sabretooths were probably non-sentient in the Sly Cooper universe.
15:32 Maybe the Grizz and Le Paradox taught them English?
15:41 For all we know, he IS reading the subtitles. I mean, he does look down a few times during the conversation.
15:54 Worth noting, technically Murray invented the 80's montage, nearly 12,000 years BEFORE the 80's.
16:18 I'm gonna assume that in-universe, only Bentley's head is on screen.
16:59 He's calling Le Paradox, so maybe the radio transceiver is on the blimp.
17:33 And the time he stole the expensive Bavarian chocolate bar just to mess with Carmelita.
19:10 Why not?
19:22 I'm pretty sure that's the joke.
19:41 The other robot's the same kind of metal, so...
19:53 That's probably just generic chit-chat that Penelope programmed the robots to say.
20:09 Well, he had to restore his family legacy, so...
20:35 Again, the robots probably haven't been around for a year, they're just programmed to say stuff like that.
21:34 In Sly's defense, she pretty much only teamed up with him before because it was convenient for her, not because she wanted to.
21:49 Maybe it was recharging?
22:04 Maybe they hoped to gather more intelligence on the Black Knight while she was on her way.
22:36 As far as Bentley knows, the Black Knight kidnapped her. Or maybe he just didn't WANT to consider that they were one and the same.
22:45 That doesn't mean she still believes in it.
23:03 This is probably the best argument against all those who swear that Penelope COULDN'T turn evil.
24:27 Maybe she did, in which case, that's a clever reference. ...Nah.
24:34 Maybe...
24:59 No, she did all this to "unlock his true potential".
25:38 The police only have to prove that it's stolen and that Le Paradox bought it knowing that it was stolen, so...
25:48 That's Cooper Family Luck for ya.
26:17 Too much potential for a time paradox, since Sly's cane originally was his father's cane, so if Le Paradox stole it...
26:36 Entirely possible. Some have theorized that he went back to thieving because he was getting frustrated with all the procedures and the bureaucracy, so his increased snarky-ness could have been an extension of that.
26:51 The joke is that she was THAT bad.
27:25 If they don't know what they're getting themselves into, it would make sense for them to play it safe. For all they know, his place is booby-trapped and opening the door will set off whatever dangerous traps he has.
27:53 Rule of Funny. Look it up.
28:39 Again, Sly Cooper history does not always equal real-life history. Also, yet again, a game made you learn something.
28:55 That's the joke.
29:28 Maybe Miss Decibel's music was actually MUCH louder in-universe?
30:35 Believe it or not, Murray was originally planned to be bisexual during development of Thievius Raccoonus.
30:57 That earlier cutscene showed a younger Salim, so it's possible he had the hook gold-plated at some point. Also, you seriously didn't notice that until now?
31:13 Sly Cooper-universe anatomy does not always equal real-world anatomy.
31:41 As long as they intend to return the ancestors, it's probably fine.
31:48 Le Paradox, maybe? On a related note, when, where, and for what purpose DID he get Carmelita's normal outfit?
32:16 Because he wasn't done with the crap he had to do in the present-day.
33:02 On the point of "why not go after Bob", it's been speculated that Le Paradox found Bob by accident. As far as anyone knew until then, Slytunkhamen I was the first Cooper. So, why not just go after Slytunkhamen I as a baby?
33:31 They probably weren't that big in-universe.33:35 See previous counter-argument.
33:49 He probably meant more like "when" Sly was.
34:19 He also remained trapped in 1884, just so you know.
34:39 She's probably good at composing and teaching music, but not at performing it.
35:07 Well, we had to wait EIGHT years for Thieves in Time to come out, so...
15: Because Dimitri only needs himself to have a good time, and that is NOT a sexual euphemism
145: hopefully Sucker Punch will pick it up after Ghosts of Tsushima
I'm sorry but that first one is hilarious
Hopefully suckerpunch will pick it back up and decannonize this entire shit show of a game
26:15 Ya know, I never even thought of that. Sly's father was the reason Le Paradox's father was caught in the first place, and Le Paradox didn't even bother targeting him for personal reasons?
I think you meant Sly 1 when you were calling out Bentley's supposed disbelief in superstition since in Sly 1, Bentley made a deal with a ghost.
Actually there were ghosts in Sly 2, Sly took pictures of them to capture them, however that works.
Brock Sells then there was also the creepy vampire things that general tsao made
I think the coolest part about this game is that you can see Clockwerk watching you in the background.
by the way, i'm sinning your video because you missed Carmelita's lapdance
YES, I'M A FURRY!!, AND I'M OK WITH IT!, AND I'M NOT OK WITH IT!!!
Why are people allways like "Furry is the worst thing you can be"? Yes it is kind of weird, but it's actually pretty harmless and sometimes spreads some nice artwork. + there is so much more that would much worse than being a furry. One sin point for humanity.
*for society
If you said he missed the lapdance as a sin, i would think of you as the opposite of a furry
Rolando Borghini
But he did show many of Murray dances as Madam Geisha... Is he not telling us something.
Rolando Borghini why Though😕😕😕😨
26:16 - and don't forget that we can also see him perched in various places in each chapter, plotting his next move.
The ultimate sin in the game? Le Paradox stealing the canes was entirely pointless, rather than just a trophy for the captures of the ancestors. Sure, Toothpick, Grizz, and Penelope all did their jobs by capturing the respective Coopers and then taking their canes, but taking the canes at all didn't mean anything. It was all because they were thwarted and captured (with the exception of Salim, who avoided capture). Besides, the Coopers more than likely had more than one cane; just look at all the canes in the Cooper Vault on Kaine Island.
Also, here's an interesting fact: Rioichi was friends with a shark, who then grew old, and for his final wish, he told Riochi to use his flesh and make it into the finest sushi.
It's been 9 years and we still don't have the movie where's sly 5 damn it.
The subtitles for The Grizz are hard to read. Dark purple on a BLACK background?!
El Jefe means "Boss" right?
Nathaniel DarDar si señor
DragonBaller 564 Gracias.
It means "The Boss" in Spanish, El being Male Affirmative.
no it means big baby
EmilianoM04 thats a weird way to spell dead meme
When Penelope said "It's time to pay the fiddler", she was referring to herself, since she played the gang like, you know, a fiddle. So this doesn't count as a sin.
3:37 dude... Dimitri doesn't NEED anyone to party... He's GREASY SWEET
I loved this game, personally a fan of the art style, thanks fir the new video!
30:00 and yet, you don't sinned the lapdance XD
7:21 *THATS NOT PROPER SPANISH GRAMMAR! THATS NOT PROPER SPANISH GRAMMAR!*
wait are tigers even native to mexico or Spain?
edited: googled it and nope Southern Asia why does this tiger know Spanish
RIP for the Sly Cooper that have never got off the ground 😔.
Sly Cooper the Movie
Sly 5
Does anyone else think of Boog from Open Season when they hear The Grizz talk?
Boog wasn't black btw
Griz is a blackbear
Boog is a brownbear
And yes i did kinda
@@subwaykitty683 i thought boog was a grizzly
21:45 "What is it, a toaster?"
I completely lost it XD
8:15 actually Sly did go to jail, he add Murray were captured in Sly 2 by Neyla and the Contessa and thrown into her maximum security prison.
True, it wasn’t the first time sly has been caught & put in jail. But that wasn’t Sly’s choice. He & Murray were only locked up cause Neyla betrayed them.
In this game. It was totally Sly’s (& Bently’s) choice for him to get arrested & thrown in jail
The one I was waiting for the most.
One missed sin: THE BOB TRAINING MISSION IS A PAIN TO COMPLETE. Especially the 15 second egg.
3:43 whys Dimitri partying with himself? Cause he's Dimitri, and he's so much of a beast.
I loved the original trilogy soooo much, but was quite disappointed with Sly 4. Damn shame.
Gameboy224 Mostly gameplay.
Sly 2 was a huge jump in the right direction from Sly 1, going from simple platformer to stealth platformer with customization.
Sly 3 expanded on said customization and added as what's commonly known as the hardest boss in Sly history, Dr. M.
Play through Sly 2 and 3 and you'll see that Sanzaru actually removed *a lot* of the gadgets, Carmelita does not initiate any missions herself thus making her a playable character that you can select in the Safehouse a bit pointless (I mean she does less damage than in Sly 3, and isn't that good at hub worlding), and Sanzaru made pretty much all of the boss fights scripted, especially El Jefes, Miss Decibel, and Le Paradox (Who's the final boss!).
Sly 4 is far the best sly game
I played those original 3 games when I was a very little tiny rat.
But let me explain
- Bigger and better designed maps.
- Game depth in collecting treasures and bottles is not as easy and its way more rewarding that it used to be.
- New outfit system was a great idea with connecting to collect treasures.
- Minigames (Hacks) are better and less boring. More color into them.
- Boss fights were really clever and u had to realize patterns and what to do with those bosses. But i have to agree, final boss was a big fat disappointment with quicktime-events.
- You can play as the ancestors and Carmelita.
- Missions have a lot more "themselfs" missions where you dont use the main map all the time.
- Gameplay feels different, but smoother. (Controls)
But if theres something done wrong in this game. It's the character "look" desing. Look at some of the ancestors and the fat elefant with trumpet. So creative.
sly 4 was great
Vallu Gamer Sly 4 did have it's good points (Most of which you already stated). But there are some major flaws and disappointments.
- Boss fights are incredibly scripted in Sly 4 imo. Not to say that the trilogy didn't have scripted boss fights, but Sly 4 is the worst offender of this. (Scripted as in, you can only hit the boss after doing ___. Repeat this 3 times).
- The removal of gadgets. RIP: Health Extractor, Glutenous Roar, Aboriginal Ball Form, Combat Dodge, Feral Pounce, Temporal Lock, and many more.
- Sly game involves time travel. Doesn't include Sly's dad or Clockwerk... DISAPPOINTMENT!
- It feels like the revolved Sly's gameplay revolve too much around his costumes. The costumes aren't a bad thing necessarily (They're actually pretty neat), but when you literally cannot beat any boss then it's over centralizing imo.
- Sanzaru went on and on about Carmelita being playable. Literally doesn't start any missions herself and is only used 3 times, 1 time being a mini game.
- Bob Cooper. A Cooper that Le Paradox shouldn't know about because the Thievius Racoonus hadn't been invented yet.
But hey these "flaws" are just my opinion.
+Z.D.F why you whining tho.. Basically everything you stated is just unnessecary crying. Be happy there is a sly 4. It's good they didnt include sly's dad. He's supposed to be a mystery.
I had the headcannon that slys being a master thief is why Carmalitas got a hard time hitting him: it’s not that she sucks, it’s that he’s so good he’s able to avoid them LIKE she sucks.
fun fact Murray was gonna be flamboyant and gay but it was cut from the first game
The _Joking_Monkay oh shoot no wonder 😂
The _Joking_Monkay ummm no... it was crossdressing. Major major difference.
34:40 Uuhhh... those who can't, teach?
Ok, I take issue with Sly clarifying that Carmelita believed he had amnesia. She didn't. I know the final cutscene of the 3rd game was a bit subtle and ambiguous as to whether she actually bought it or not, but if you look at where their relationship is moving in the 3rd game, you can tell that she doesn't actually believe him. She plays along because they both want this, want to be together, and this is an easy out of their current situation. Even if your interpretation is that she did believe him, I highly doubt he would've kept that a secret from her for the rest of their lives. He also couldn't.
I would like to add a sin for the end level of murry training bob specifically the egg on where you are basically shaking your controller to death hoping you'll get it this time
Here I am watching these around the 20th anniversary of Sly cooper and that 4 years has turned into 10 and still no Sly 5...
I can honestly say you never disappoint me Charriii. Your work is amazing, and I can't get enough of your comedic ways; keep up the great work man.
"its been 4 years, where's sly 5 damn it"
Video uploaded: *6 years ago*
Me: so 10 years then.....damn
Another minor sin missed. Sly's hat falls off in his fight with Decibel. It happens like a few seconds before 31:02 in the cutscene. When we see it next, it's on top of the blimp right next to Sly. The character models aren't near the top yet so that hat should be lost to time. Pun intended.
21:52
"What Is it a toaster?"
Well it does breath fire so....
Its so weird how penelope had a crush on Sly in the third game, but acted like that never happened in this game.
Two things the world of gaming needs
1: Sly 5
2: Kid Icarus: The Second Uprising
10:40 Great but who are you tell this to? Me: The voice in his head of course.
Regarding murray being REALLY into the idea of dressing as a belly-dancer, apparently when the voice actors were given character sheets of who they will be voicing, it included various details and blurbs about them as a person. For Murray, one line said "Sexuality: Questioning".
(Thus the VA had an odd image of "a gay pink hippo who doesn't wear pants" -his words, not mine-, and decided to give that character murray's current voice of some kind of mentally handicapped Barney...... which is.... a choice...)
So, the answer to the question "Do you have something you wanna tell us, Murray?", is "yeah, probably". Also kinda makes the decision at the start of Sly 3 to "find himself" have an unintended alternative interpretation.
Wait you didn't sin the fact that in Bentleys "Where are they now" bit he describes what happened to the ancestors after the events of Sly 4 but completely left out the whole "Being killed by Clockwerk" thing. * *Ding* *
Actually, only Sly's dad was ever canonically killed by Clockwerk. All the others were simply stalked by him. He even says it. "Remarkable, you coopers always find a way to beat me!"
Gamelover254 well I’m sure Clockwerk at least managed to kill a few Coopers considering how powerful he’s been portrayed. Unless Sanzaru games was implying Sky’s father had terrible fighting skills
Kyle Campbell in sanzaru’s defense if that is true, it could just be that he had retired or somethin and was caught by surprise before he could even react.
@@ilopominecrafter Sly's dad was ganged up on by the Fiendish Five, Clockwerk, Panda King, Mz. Ruby, Muggshot and Raliegh. Clockwerk alone can't beat a Cooper but the combined might of these powerful criminals could since Sly has trouble dealing with just one of them.
@@MysteriousTomJenkins Also he outwitted Le Paradox's father, knocked Muggshot out and invented the laser slide. Conner was a good fighter. And had probably beat Clockwerk before getting married and ambushed by the owl. Maybe the other ancestors beat Clockwerk in their prime, grew old, then he murdered them.
Unless Sly's Japanese ancestor is of mixed ethnicity, why does he have a non-Japanese surname?
Looking too deep into this. The whole ancestor thing never made any sense.
Maybe it was romanized from Kupa (which can occur in Japanese)? Maybe it would sound too similar to Bowser’s Japanese name, on second thought.
Sungura Kaiser probably mixed race :3
The cooper line consists of Japanese, Arabian, western, European bloodlines among many others not mentioned in the game and you really can't guess that theres not A) blood mixing and B) international travel? 3 of the blood lines are in literal different continents and sly steals from around the world.
But thats just my argument.
Can u do everything wrong with jak 2 and 3
lord beast i can already see one sin being, "seriously?! Jak's first words are that he will murder someone? Ow the edge."
lord jedah -
@@ilopominecrafter jak was jacked in dark eco experimentation>.< who would blame jak XD
Marina The Octoling you realize this guy does joke sins on top of real ones right? Just sayin
@@ilopominecrafter i wqa refering to ilopominecrafter
Bonus sin: just before the cutscene ends 4:08 Sly , after explaining the situation , says it was all a big fish to swallow as a bad joke in reference to sushi made from fish. That is just dark , horrible and deserves 5 more sins. Sin counter 22
You missed the big one in this video, "Of Mice and Men" doesn't take place in the medieval period, it takes place in America during the Great Depression
Justadoo444 I just get pissed at it because if anybody has not read the book, they will basically believe it takes place in medieval times, and this just piles onto the confusion and is just one of my many complaints with this Game
Mickspad
LMFAOOOOOOOO BRUH, It does take place in Medieval times.
there were no guns during the medieval time period (or farming machinery) so the method that Lenny died proves it didn't happen during medieval days (also they make mention of the great depression)
1:35 how did Charri5 not catch this! The Theivius Racoonus had a keyhole on its side that bounded it shut. But NOOOOO somehow Bentley is just able to INSTANTLY open the book WITHOUT ANY KIND OF FUCKIN’ KEY. Come on, Charri!
BTW, Sly has upgrade for his cane from the second game which allows him to climb on ice walls. And this little detail makes Bob ABSOLUTLY USELESS! 24:11 And yeah, Murray now can swim. But at the same time, he can't. The magic of the swimsuit, i guess?
Also, regarding the sin of which animals are sentient or anthropomorphic: Never consistent.
Arpeggio, Mz. Ruby, Grizz, and the Dingos from Sly 3 have human-level intelligence but the Wolf and Gator from Sly 3, the Bears and Hawks from Sly 2, and the chickens from Sly 1 behave like normal animals. Evolution is fickle, eh?
It's like the original DuckTales and the reboot, Darkwing Duck, Good Troop and TaleSpin, right?
Indeed.
I just say it’s kinda like the relationship between humans and chimps.
One line branched off and became anthropomorphic.
While the other stayed animalistic.
3:00 I'm not either Charriii.
This game could have easily been a soft reboot for the series, changing up a few things to breath some life into the series and bring up some new angles for the series to go while reviving characters in a logical way. Time travel is involved so it makes perfect sense for Clockwerk and Sly's dad to be around in the story and it would have been cool and emotional to see both, to see the fear and anger of Clockwerk coming back for both Sly and Bentley and the Cooper Gang meeting Sly's dad. Hell, you could have seen a Dr. M before he went insane, maybe time travel hijinx make it to where he doesn't turn evil and due to him not turning evil, Sly's dad actually has a fighting chance against the Fiendish Five and lives so Sly never gets orphaned. So much potential and instead we get flanderized, cliche characters and a cliff hanger ending. I understand why I have never played this game despite having the ability to constantly.
Now we can stop bothering you, Charriii.
Acerphest Studios LOL
nigel dixie hold it, there's still ratchet and clank. Or jack and daxter, which ever comes first
Mitch Irwin I mean obviously, but we bothered the absolute heck out of him for the Sly Cooper Franchise for years. He knows what's happening if a new game comes out
Acerphest Studios yeah, I'm just saying after doing the two jack and daxter and all the ratchet and clank games before tools of destruction, then that Sony unites game
Acerphest Studios Nope. Not until he does the Ratchet and Clank trilogy and the Jak and Faster trilogy. HOP TO IT CHARRII!
EDIT: Jak and Daxter trilogy
You say we never see Clockwerk directly but there are six occasions where you CAN see him directly
I think he meant as bringing Clockwerk back as a villain instead of as an easter egg