I like the test where you flash em into an oncoming parked vehicle with its headlights on. Can you see past their headlights into the cabin and see humans? Can you make them out? Headcount etc. high beam and low beam tested. Like someone parked in your driveway facing you down.
@stephenanthonyjr914 there is a difference, but not nearly as big or as large as we would think. Again, 300m, not really an issue as the amount of times one needs 300m isn't even an issue
Remember it takes 4x the candela to double your "beam distance". So, on paper, 100k vs 54k candela is not 85% brighter - it's more like 36% brighter (or longer range). And then there is testing method... 3 lights all rated at the same candela will look completely different if one is tested according to ANSI FL-1, one tested using instant-max, and one simply rated at the LED's "theoretical output". Long story short, forget all the numbers... trust your eyes!
Do you have a source or evidence to validate the claim of “takes 4x the candela to double your beam distance"? I’m not necessarily doubting you but rather curious and love to be informed. Would you also be kind enough to elaborate how an 85% increase is actually closer to 36% increase?
@@UnobtaniumsQuickReviews spill wise but not throw - I have the OKW and the PLH V2 - there is a marked difference in throw . You mentioned distance brightness several times. I have both Cloud Defense flashlight heads .Ive found their lumen/candela claims to be a little on the high side. I use the lights at work and they go through window tint well with the OKW head doing it the best . My first Cloud Defensive light was defective . An employee was visiting my city and brought me a replacement light to an off duty job . I didn’t notice until after he left that it was a used light they didn’t bother to clean . It was nice of him to deliver the light . He also delivered a Rein 2 to another individual who received a defective light . The Modlights seem to be better built along the lines of Surefire .
@@CSX4545 The REIN 3.0 definitely has more throw than the OKW, while also having more spill than the PLH V2. It's just more powerful in every way, output wise.
Modlite wins by a landslide. I've owned both and modlite is just so much better in just about every way have since gotten rid of the CD lights... too many issues!
@@SnapD24 well, there’s honestly a lot of different things to touch on. But I will avoid going in depth as to why modlite wins over CD lights. What I will discuss is how both companies are full of crap. Basically their runtime and output claims are absolutely nonsense, and I’m not entirely sure how they are both getting away with it. Both companies claim around 1300ish lumens for at least one of their models, and the runtime associated is a stated number, which is completely unrealistic. Tests have been done on all of their lights by light enthusiasts over at CPF, and found that (let’s just pick on the modlite plhV2 for this example) … found that a 18350 size plhV2 from turn on will only last approx. 4 minutes at the stated runtime, then drop down significantly to roughly 700 lumens for 2 minutes, then drop down again to sub 400 lumen for the remainder of the battery life (about the next 18 minutes or so give or take) So you have a company claiming and marketing a product to output 1350 lumens for 35 minutes, when in reality out of that light your getting less than a third of that output for the vast majority the time the light is turned on. Not only that you are generally not getting anywhere near 35 minute runtime, more like 26-28 minutes of usable light before a battery swap is needed. This is only 1 example and shows that I’m not a modlite fanboy by any means. With that, if I had to choose modlite or CD I’d choose modlite for a plethora of reasons including that the CD’s were not able to output at many lumens or candela as the modlites, and they stepped down faster than the modlites. Also, the modlite seems to feel more “quality” in hand, whereas CD feels cheaper in hand / machine work / threads ect. This was also touched on by the guys at CD and basically admitted to cutting a few corners in the machining process to be able to come to market at 2/3 the cost of ML. Or “competitors” as they called it haha. Anyway, overall what I am trying to say is, given the choice I wouldn’t carry either a Modlite or CD light. I’d opt for something like a Malkoff. USA made, small company, built with a brick shit house that will survive just about anything thrown at it. Also, the specs are 100% truthful and honest and whatever the light is rated for (say 650 lumens) you can sure bet your ass your getting a steady 650 lumen output out of it. Not for 2 minutes not for 5 minutes but basically as long as the lights turned on and the battery isn’t dead. Much better option, than giving your money to these guys who can’t even be honest about a simple thing like output and run times… crazy what these companies will do in an effort to sell more lights. Really I think they get away with it cuz most guys buying these guys are LARPING pretty hard and will end up using the light as a paper weight and not it’s intended use. Take it easy
Excellent side-by-side comparison! Keep up the good work!!
The Rein shows high definition soil color behind those targets. Great video, appreciate the content.
I just received my Rein 3.0 a couple weeks ago and I must say that I am thoroughly impressed and very happy with my decision to buy!
Wow, thank you for the side by side. It's definitely a great comparison!
I like the test where you flash em into an oncoming parked vehicle with its headlights on. Can you see past their headlights into the cabin and see humans? Can you make them out? Headcount etc. high beam and low beam tested. Like someone parked in your driveway facing you down.
They break through light barriers fine.
What are these batteries called? I couldn't pick it up from the video, but am interested in checking them out.
Molicel p28a
@@UnobtaniumsQuickReviews thank you!
For the major difference in candela of the Rein yp would think it would be much brighter. Really wasn't a big difference at all.
@stephenanthonyjr914 there is a difference, but not nearly as big or as large as we would think. Again, 300m, not really an issue as the amount of times one needs 300m isn't even an issue
Remember it takes 4x the candela to double your "beam distance". So, on paper, 100k vs 54k candela is not 85% brighter - it's more like 36% brighter (or longer range). And then there is testing method... 3 lights all rated at the same candela will look completely different if one is tested according to ANSI FL-1, one tested using instant-max, and one simply rated at the LED's "theoretical output". Long story short, forget all the numbers... trust your eyes!
Do you have a source or evidence to validate the claim of “takes 4x the candela to double your beam distance"?
I’m not necessarily doubting you but rather curious and love to be informed.
Would you also be kind enough to elaborate how an 85% increase is actually closer to 36% increase?
Isn't the Modlite restricted in power output if you use the the Surefire tail switch?
Not the DS00 or z68. The tapes, used to be. Not sure if they still are.
Why not the OKW ?
I sold it.
Every Modlite i see specifically says CR123 are not supported.
Mine says "Dual Fuel"
They added new SKUs that are Dual Fuel x1 18650 cell or x2 CR123A cells
The modlite OKW head has more candela than the phv2 head and more throw
The beam profile and lumens of the PLH V2 is analogous to the REIN 3.0, though, making this a much more appropriate comparison.
@@UnobtaniumsQuickReviews spill wise but not throw - I have the OKW and the PLH V2 - there is a marked difference in throw . You mentioned distance brightness several times. I have both Cloud Defense flashlight heads .Ive found their lumen/candela claims to be a little on the high side. I use the lights at work and they go through window tint well with the OKW head doing it the best . My first Cloud Defensive light was defective . An employee was visiting my city and brought me a replacement light to an off duty job . I didn’t notice until after he left that it was a used light they didn’t bother to clean . It was nice of him to deliver the light . He also delivered a Rein 2 to another individual who received a defective light . The Modlights seem to be better built along the lines of Surefire .
@@CSX4545 The REIN 3.0 definitely has more throw than the OKW, while also having more spill than the PLH V2. It's just more powerful in every way, output wise.
@@UnobtaniumsQuickReviews I’m debating on getting a Rein 3 but would like to see a side by side with the OKW and the new Hog
i see chem trail dust in the air,, or is it snow flurries??😡
Modlite wins by a landslide. I've owned both and modlite is just so much better in just about every way have since gotten rid of the CD lights... too many issues!
Such as...
@@SnapD24 well, there’s honestly a lot of different things to touch on. But I will avoid going in depth as to why modlite wins over CD lights.
What I will discuss is how both companies are full of crap.
Basically their runtime and output claims are absolutely nonsense, and I’m not entirely sure how they are both getting away with it.
Both companies claim around 1300ish lumens for at least one of their models, and the runtime associated is a stated number, which is completely unrealistic.
Tests have been done on all of their lights by light enthusiasts over at CPF, and found that (let’s just pick on the modlite plhV2 for this example) … found that a 18350 size plhV2 from turn on will only last approx. 4 minutes at the stated runtime, then drop down significantly to roughly 700 lumens for 2 minutes, then drop down again to sub 400 lumen for the remainder of the battery life (about the next 18 minutes or so give or take)
So you have a company claiming and marketing a product to output 1350 lumens for 35 minutes, when in reality out of that light your getting less than a third of that output for the vast majority the time the light is turned on.
Not only that you are generally not getting anywhere near 35 minute runtime, more like 26-28 minutes of usable light before a battery swap is needed.
This is only 1 example and shows that I’m not a modlite fanboy by any means.
With that, if I had to choose modlite or CD I’d choose modlite for a plethora of reasons including that the CD’s were not able to output at many lumens or candela as the modlites, and they stepped down faster than the modlites. Also, the modlite seems to feel more “quality” in hand, whereas CD feels cheaper in hand / machine work / threads ect. This was also touched on by the guys at CD and basically admitted to cutting a few corners in the machining process to be able to come to market at 2/3 the cost of ML. Or “competitors” as they called it haha.
Anyway, overall what I am trying to say is, given the choice I wouldn’t carry either a Modlite or CD light. I’d opt for something like a Malkoff. USA made, small company, built with a brick shit house that will survive just about anything thrown at it. Also, the specs are 100% truthful and honest and whatever the light is rated for (say 650 lumens) you can sure bet your ass your getting a steady 650 lumen output out of it. Not for 2 minutes not for 5 minutes but basically as long as the lights turned on and the battery isn’t dead.
Much better option, than giving your money to these guys who can’t even be honest about a simple thing like output and run times… crazy what these companies will do in an effort to sell more lights.
Really I think they get away with it cuz most guys buying these guys are LARPING pretty hard and will end up using the light as a paper weight and not it’s intended use.
Take it easy
Are all the plhv2s dualfuel? I got ablem from modlite but it didnt clarify. I only plan to use the 18650s tho, just nice to know
No they are not. It will say on the side of the headlight, "Modlite. Dual-Fuel" if it can take either battery type.