RANKING THE WORST SUBGENRES OF ROCK & METAL (tier list)
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- What are the worst subgenres of rock and metal? Where so ska, shoegaze, midwest emo, psychobilly, nintendocore and other subgenres rank on the worst genres tier list?
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Imagine thinking Ska (the genre that Reggae is a subgenre of) is a subgenre of Rock 😂☠️😂☠️
Imagine thinking 2tone was where Ska started ignoring 30 years of prior history from Jamaica
And he even mentions Desmond Dekker like he was part of 2tone, learn music history Finn 😂
🤔 And how can you call MMBT "good" skapunk when they're not even skapunk, they're skacore
🤡 And you ignored all the REAL good ska punk bands like Operation Ivy and old Less Than Jake
Finn: "Butt Rock doesn't have nerds in their fanbase."
Me wearing a D&D hat and playing Skyrim for my sixth time while listening to Breaking Benjamin: "Hey wait a minute!"
Theres a difference between liking nerdy shit snd being a nerd.
I doubt your smart enough to be a nerd.
Liking nerdyshit and being a nerd are different. I like anime but I'm not a weeb. There is seperation here.
@@richardlarkin4550
I think geek would be more accurate for most people. I've never been smart enough to qualify as a nerd.
@@danielflanard8274 it's subjective what a nerd is.
Finn: *hates nerds*
Also Finn: Descendents are the founder of pop punk
Milo be like 🤓🎸
Finn is a nerd too
both those things can be true
Some nerds are chill and likable.
@@ItcamefromtheVorrhI came here to say this LOL
The funny thing about the jam band scene is that they have their own DIY ethic. It's a largely self-made subculture. They don't try to appeal to a mass audience, they just focus on goofy noodling jams and open air live performances. They may seem annoying, but I can respect their ethos and I can think of far worse scenes.
It's very welcoming, no "too cool for the room" nonsense, just people who love good music.
Best shows I've ever been to are jam bands. Just a purely good time. They're only annoying if you're not experiencing it yourself.
Great shows
I totally agree and I do not listen to any of the music.
Finn: "I hate gatekeepers"
> Nerd breathes
Finn: "YOU FUCKING LOSERS!!!!!"
He doesnt like elitists but looks down on many music fans.....
Robert Steinberger it’s a schtick..
Finn carries his gate around and hits whomever he wills with it.
@@robertsteinberger5667 It's a joke, dude
@@robertsteinberger5667 he doesn't like elitists ha that's why he likes fat mike but not Ben weasel fat mike is a notorious elitist
Damn. I like shoe gaze. Finn just knocked on my door and punched me in the gut without even saying why.
Then he called me a cuck and I was like… how did he know?
I like shoegaze alot and I'm pissed at Finn for putting it on this list.
imagine the rage when i'm a massive psychobilly fan
"Hippies are fake chill, and fake nice" TRUE SHIT, never better explained
Finn: I love stripper fight music
Also Finn: shoegaze is bad
How is that a surprise?
That's why it's always important to consider the source of any criticism.
His channel has been blatant click bait for years now.
from MBV to Turnover… wow his knowledge is diverse lol
It's just HIS taste. I love shoegaze and I don't listen to trap music. Doesn't mean I have to hate the guy or I can't enjoy his videos.
Shoegaze is GREAT. Shouldn't even be on this list.
i love that shit man, but i laughed my ass off with this!
@ghost mall it’s not low effort and it depends on the band, just like any genre.
In what way is Shoegaze lazy?. That’s one of the genres that allows for the most amount of creativity.
@ghost mall I don't think laziness equates to if music is good or not. There's spectacular minimalist music that is objectively lazy because it barely takes any effort to make.
But shoegaze is not supposed to be super technical or complex, its a genre fundamentally based on atmosphere and dreamy sounds and vocals. You cant judge a genre for not being what it never compromised to be.
"I'd rather listen to fuckin psychobilly" is my new favourite musical insult.
Hi. Columbus Ohio here. Was in a Psychobilly band in the middle 2000s. One of my favorite genres. Thing is, it fit (still fits) well enough in punk scenes to not need a dedicated scene to have bands.
Yes, just like rockabilly its always gonna be way bigger in Europe.
Yes, you run out of songs you can write about zombies pretty quick. So you move on to aliens and keep goin.
;)
He doesn’t know anything about Psychobilly, Psychobilly is way better in Europe and uk
For sure ! Calling psychos nerds love to see that happen dude would get stomped
I was about to say, there has to have been psychobilly acts that have played at Ace of Cups or Newport in Columbus. I don't think any other venues would cater to the genre.
@@andrewmaximo4485 newport has. Unsure on AoC, I'm pretty sure Bernies was the easiest place to get booked for anything punk adjacent before it closed. But back then, the punk/hardcore shows at legion halls and such were the most common places to play anything like that.
If your a bass player ska is incredibly fun to play. I got into it because learning my instrument to Metallica songs and then learning ska, the lines were actually interesting and fun. Also Suicide Machines were amazing ska punk!
The fact that I can't separate the sarcasm from the serious judgment makes it fucking hilarious to me
I cant either
I didn’t realize turnover wasn’t considered shoegaze, I’d rank them A tier easily. They released a couple of fantastic albums.
Honestly I enjoy all of these sub genres. I wouldn’t classify any of them as bad just because of them not following the typical song format.
Regarding My Bloody Valentine specifically, I think you should listen to their first album, "Isn't Anything". Much more raw and noisy and less spacey and dreamy than Loveless, and there's some genuinely catchy songs on there like "When You Wake You're Still In A Dream", "Cupid Come" and "You Never Should". The "You Made Me Realize" EP is also great - "Thorn" and "Drive It All Over Me" are extremely well-written indie pop tunes. Give their earlier stuff a try, you might end up liking it a bit.
I kind of know where you're coming from but Loveless is a masterpiece, if you don't like it you probably just aren't going to like MBV
"I can't imagine what it's like for a woman who wants to make metal."
Halestorm, Nightwish, Beyond the Black, Temperance, Within Temptation, Delain, Crystal Viper, Amaranthe, Sleeping Romance, Ad Infinitum, Metalite, Anette Olzon/ The Dark Element, The Pretty Reckless, Shadowside, Sinheresy- I think it must be easier in Europe, for some reason.
Yet he constantly shits on Europe. Funny cos you would think someone with a broader view and knowledge like him would understand that it's actually America that's stuck behind.
Btw, not a fan of particular genre I'd say, just like what I enjoy, which can be anything from the most commercial pop/rock thru ska, rap (not the current, most definitely) to terrorcore/speedcore (been my favourite for a few years now). It's funny to me listening to it cos it sounds like he has a license to know what you should like and what not lmao. Not hating, its his right to have opinion and feelings, but also cannot really take him seriously. Its like that Henry Rollins video he made where he criticises him for not following his own advice :p
Same can be applied here I guess.
Arch Enemy, Otep, The Agnonist, Epica, Leaves Eyes, Lacuna Coil, Spirit box, JINJER just to add a few
Shoegaze is when you discover that mixing effects pedals sounds so great that you stop taking guitar lessons
This.
Who the fuck needed lessons? You can learn everything you need on your own, that's the punk spirit.
The irony considering your avatar of bald Chicago Morrissey.
Best description of the genre I've heard so far ...
Guitar lessons are for 36 yr olds trying to plagiarize sweet child of mine or motley moo riffs
When Finn said he can’t imagine someone listening to doom not smoking weed.
I feel this, but also,
here I am 💁🏻♀️ straight edge & vegan for almost 20 years & I loooove doom metal 😆😅. (& this channel🤙)
Had to throw in vegan for no reason at all 😂 definitely a vegan move
Non if orange goblin smoke weed either
Good on you, I'll go get a nice, juicy steak now and after I'll listen to Electric Wizard.
Definitely agree with the "Doom Metal" commentary. I prefer the more Stoner Rock slice if the genre. I like Kyuss and Queens of the Stone Age. Drone and Post Metal is cool too, but definitely creatively bankrupt.
shoegaze is definitely nerdy. i love it😁
Unironically the Chaddest genre of music
The shoegaze genre is just too specific to evolve beyond the 5~10 great albums. I unconsciously branched out into Dream Pop, Folk, Post Rock or Psychedelic music.
Shoegaze is definitely one of the best genre's.
Great video dude! I love these tier list videos. The key to enjoyment is always keeping your ego in check and just have fun with it. Thanks bro!
Yeah, some of the fans to me (Courtney) can be absolutely vile, thankfully I've never really witnessed anything when playing live. Granted I usually have all my other bandmates around me as a buffer. But let's be honest, women that are fronting a metal band that are not doing theatric type vocals are still kind of an unusual thing to see. If your woman and you do unclean vocals in a metal band you get some sort of weird street cred. But I have had people come at me like, "Oh you like Cattle Decapitation, name me five songs!" lol
You literally started talking about Hippies and being high at minute 4:20 LOL how ironic - Love your stuff Finn! Such great content. Keep up the great work.
I love shoegaze and Midwest emo a lot because I love textural music because I’m a synesthete. You are entitled to your opinions and I will respect your judgements and criticisms.
yes, we all listen to music for different reasons and that informs our taste. Finn wants to get amped up, hence his like for metal, punk and trap and his dislike for shoegaze, goth/post-punk, indie, etc.
Personally, I like anything that successfully achieves its intended mood, though I gravitate toward darker vibes
Stoned Jesus is one of the best Stoner Metal/Doom Metal band of all time
"Grindcore is bad, this is the grind im into"
*plays the worst false grind on the internet*
Meat shits are racist too lmao
What, Brutal Truth? That's a great band.
This is genuinely annoying. I really don't like the energy of "This music sucks, the people who like it suck, and I have superior taste". It's dumb. It feels like when 52 year old men from Kentucky complain endlessly in the comment section of every Loudwire Facebook post about how classic rock will never die and they'd never be caught dead listening to yucky pop music. It feels gatekeepy and hateful for the sake of a laugh or being entertaining. Like yeah, I get that some genres are harder to like than others, and yeah the loudest part of some of these fanbases are annoying or seem to fit a stereotype, but to sit here atop your high horse of self imposed superior taste and say "Yeah, that thing you enjoy? It's dumb, and you're weird for liking it". It's like a parent telling their 6 year old that the drawing they're so excited to show them is dogshit. If someone genuinely enjoys something and it's not hurting anyone, who are you to say that they're wrong for having their own taste? And I know this is all just opinion, but there are better ways to express that then to put down people who like the things you don't. I feel like if you think like this, not only are you a miserable person, but having an attitude like this makes anyone that listens to you miserable. And then I see people in the comments like "Damn, I had no clue that I actually had bad taste, thanks for telling me, You're so cool, I'm never listening to my favorite music again because I'm not a loser", And its dumb. This kind of attitude creates a culture of shame where people will avoid the music they like or feel ashamed to listen to it because some dude on RUclips says you're a loser for liking it. Some people are secure enough to say "So what if I like this thing? I like what I like", but then again there are plenty of insecure, impressionable people (Usually Teens) who will listen to someone telling them they're a loser for liking what they like and actually believe it. I feel like that's a big reason I distanced myself from the metal community, because so many people are just self congratulatory weirdos who get satisfaction by thinking they have better taste than you, and letting everyone and I mean EVERYONE know it. Not to say you're a bad dude or anything, I don't know you, but I feel like this isn't a great attitude to have about things, even if it is for the sake of a joke.
Deep breaths my man! Jokes are fun. Gotta learn to loosen up
This was so funny to me and I def don’t always agree w/ Finns takes but I couldn’t agree more on this vid. And omg i died laughing at the Hick Hop vid in the drainage ditch commentary 😂💀
Also as a corekid myself I just had to show my husband your jam rock take, he was laughing too because he knows its all true, because he’s a true deadhead and i cannot stand when its his turn on aux in the rotation because he will play a live show remaster from 1972 that is 4 hrs long and im like GET TO THE POINT i crave building up to a breakdown not these 10 min slow solos lmao so it was a good roast 😂
Finn's really dishin' out the haterade this episode hahaha talking that smack lol
I thought Shoegaze was okay and Doom is really good, and I also thought that "Crunk" belonged in the bottom tier alongside Nintendo-core
Also, over in the US, Ska seems to be a laughing stock but over here in the south of the UK (where America's take on Ska is completely, COMPLETELY unheard of and unknown, Ska is actually really really loved, and really popular, I.e. The Selector, The Special A.K.A., Boomtown Rats, Bad Manners, Madness etc)
That said, I do agree, America's take is for the most part, dogsh!t
Let's be completely honest about metal.or metalcore or what ever you call today's heavy music the reason why alot of these bands and the genre itself isn't relevant is because nothing stands out from the vocals to the instrumentation at least with older music you can differentiate the songs today it all blends into basically nothing that's why rock is dead
@ghost mall Metal is not the music the popular kids listens too. It's the music for the dark and weird kids.I say this as a fan that listens to stoner metal. At least the Phish kids gets laid.
'Not a fan of hippies they remind me of my parents"
Love the tier lists Finn. Definitely keep them coming!
There are some genres that don't belong on this list.
Shoegaze is the official genre of “I feel deep after my hipster dorm neighbor showed me my first art film, time to smoke a pack of cloves outside the student union”
How did you put Godsmack and breaking benjamin in the same category?
There used to be a psychobilly fan in my music classes. Dude was 17... I fear for his future.
1960s Ska is pretty good, sometimes great. 80s Punk rock is pretty good, sometimes great
2tone is OK, I guess. Ska punk is worse than genital herpes.
Hick Hop OMFG! Is this serious. That stuff is an embarrassment to mankind! Serious as a heart attack! Never never show that stuff again I've been to west Virginia I am technically a hillbilly myself...but none the less a half way smart Metal head, Articulate music composer and Design employee and I am sticking to my humble fucking opinion.
“Doom fans smoke weed like most people breathe.”
At least I can’t feel any more called out than I already do right now.
“Eye Hate God fans are hard drug addicts”
Nevermind
I like psychobilly and horror punk, but not uptight or self righteous about it. I love the dark humor aspect.
Ska, shoegaze, Midwest emo, grindcore, prog, and doom don’t at all deserve to be on this list
I've worked a lot of shows at a medium sized music venue and butt rock fans and hick hop fans were the worst. R&b fans were great, indie fans and jam bans were easy money (here's your ipa), punk and metal fans took themselves WAAAY too seriously. Its the only genres where people will get violently angry arguing over who's "harder" or "real". Midwest emo people always brought their kids to the show as if a 5yo is gonna want to listen to Omaha's answer to owls.
This guy listen to Pop Punk in a serious way, I think his opinion doesn't matter much 😂
As a doom metal fan, watching you struggle to find the vocals on Dopesmoker had me rolling 😂
Dopesmoker is an amazing song or album or however it's defined
Finn’s nerd hate is his biggest boomer quality lmao
EDIT: I KNOW HES GEN X, THIS CANNOT BE THE FIRST TIME YOU HAVE ENCOUNTERED THE CASUAL USE OF BOOMER TO REFER TO SOMEONE WITH DATED OPINIONS OR PERSPECTIVES
Dude makes his living off talking about subgenres of subgenres and has a one man slam band. He knows he’s a total dork and is clearly including himself amongst those nerds.
Technically it’s like 1.25 people since I don’t do the vocals!
@@radshoesbro I think that would be more valid if he didn’t use nerdiness as a reason to dislike genres/bands
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA well done.
@@radshoesbro He listens to Olivia Rodrigo and wears a Cerebral Incubation shirt. He's a nerd for sure.
As a butt rock fan I can confirm we’re too busy having jobs and being 40 to get mad about music on the internet.
I still listen to and appreciate Jesus And The Mary Chain and Catherine Wheel I’m in my 40’s, and yeah I’m busy with a job mortgage and being married to give a damn, I got bigger concerns than someone opining on music they don’t like. You do you people.
Bro is in his 30’s and still calling people virgins 💀
40s and its funny!
He wishes he was in his 30s lol
Not a virgin, but will listen to prog rock over butt rock any day.
its sarcasm
48 year old Virgin here.... I thank Finn fkr getting me into hick hop and Nintendo core
Here just to dislike
The shoegaze community is honestly really chill and welcoming. Nice people.
@ghost mall Never got Jam Bands. Just endless jams that never go anywhere but i suppose that's why it's named like that.
From my experience I’ll have to disagree. I’ve been listening to mostly just Shoegaze for a while now and most of the people I’ve met who also like it are really toxic and get really rude over simple stuff
@@iaminyourwalls4553 I'm sure there are pockets of toxic people in every genre regardless. But, in our experience in our own shoegaze band (Color Crush) they've almost all universally been very kind to us.
What's with everything being a "community", that is weird. Back in the day we had "alternative rock" and it was so broad a category that it'd include shoegazers, britpop, post-punk, goth, new wave, indie rock, indie pop, post-rock, post-hardcore, math-rock, ect., and noone was so defensive about the genre they loved the most. There was tons of cross pollination. And i think that's healthier if you're trying to make rock relevant again. Stop siloing off the sub-genres! They're all rock and they're all okay!
@@xxcrysad3000xx Well I completely agree for the most part, it's just natural as there's more genre mixing that each one kind of creates its own little group. You've got stuff like rap rock, blackgaze, and I seemingly endless collection of genres that would seem to have never been able to fit together. More often than not it's just people looking for something that is similar to what they already love which is where these communities spring up and create a bit of an echo chamber. I would too like to see more umbrella terms, but with everything being a little bit of everything else these days I just don't realistically see that happening.
The description of Ska as "Getting shoved into lockers-core" had me lol-ing.
Ironic, since I graduated high school in 99 and a lot of people who bullied me listened to that shit even outside of Sublime. I bet they listen to 5FDP now.
It’s funny he hates the genre but listen to some of the band s
I genuinely really love Shoegaze, it's a really relaxing genre for me and it genuinely calms me down and makes me happy and free. I get why people hate it like Finn, but overall it's helped me a lot be a better person
Anything that’s near indie Finn just will not like it, nothing wrong with that just means I’m gonna disagree a lot with this man
we do not care
@@brettveldboom2296 I feel like Finn does not like a lot of music that he talks about for some reason. It's weird, I think the only band really likes is like Attack Attack!
Spiritualized FTW!
Agreed, shoegaze is amazing
I love how for Finn the world ends with US and Europe, sometimes Korea. Psychobilly had a moment in Latin America. Also Skate Punk has always been huge here. Bands like Millencolin, Nofx, Offspring and Bad Religion always have succes when they come.
And btw, is the US that has to answer for turning ska into whatever the fuck mustard plug is
Psychobilly is great, idk what people are on about. Just rockabilly with a high tempo. Living End, Koffin Kats, motherfukin Reverend Horton Heat. Awesome sound with the upright bass slaps and southern edge. Plus, Koffin Kats are a sight to behold live with some of the things Vic and Tommy do with the bass.
Majority of psychobilly fans in SoCal were hispanic kids
Im from Latin America and i remember those two weeks
Bad Religion has more Spotify monthly listeners in São Paulo - Brasil than in LA
God bless whoever said shoegaze is “thrift store core”, that killed me
My favorite was calling hick hop “college game day core”
@@sixty2612 I saw that too😂 so true
it's so fucking true
Psychobilly isn't really that bad, it's not great but it's not bad. I think the fans are probably worse than the music. And no you don't blame the Misfits for psychobilly, you blame The Cramps.
Definitely this. I went to a psychobilly show once and had fun KINDA, except there was this dumbass greaser dude who dubbed himself the sheriff of the pit and took it upon himself to prevent me from trying to start a mosh pit. His idea of fun seems to be combing his hair. What a nob!
Hey, it spawned Reverend Horton Heat, so no complaints there.
I would never pay to go to a show but it can be entertaining in small doses.
The Stellar Corpses are a great band.
The brains, nekromantix, and koffin cats are pretty good
But Finn you forgot the portion of Midwest Emo where it's just 1 guy and an acoustic guitar where he plays riffs that would sound a lot better plugged in.
is that like dashboard confessional?
@@benjaminwatt2436 American Football
the weakerthans count here
Nooo...I had to suffer through dozens of that growing up. I'm sick of emo
I will never fully be able to understand if Finn is actually serious or just trolling us! Knowing him, that's just how he wants it to be!
This is so boomer i fell asleep.
I used to love HORSE The Band. Grew out of them as I got older, still listen to a song here or there, but I’ll always respect their world tour documentary. They scrimped and saved to have the once in lifetime opportunity to tour the world on their own terms. Great work ethic, they had a huge goal and they did it.
Also I can’t hate Ska, just gives me those childhood memories of watching Nickelodeon vibes.
Earth tour is life
I saw them headline in like '06 and the vocalist was so drunk he fell over on stage and threw up.
Hello fellow HORSE fan! I still like I Fight Dragons tho
HtB's music aged terribly but New York City still kinda rips
Shape shift by horse the band is a masterpiece. And same, ska punk will forever hold a place in my heart. If you want a real blast from the past, look up "reel big fish rice Krispy commercial 2003"...thank me later
"Doom metal fans don't wipe" is my takeaway from this. May this line be immortalised.
best quote for sure
@@lghjsdtugfkgfjgtru been a whole year, but as soon as the notification popped up I KNEW it was referencing this. Don't know if that's a bigger indictment of me or doom metal fans.
"I Hate Fun" the tier list.
Three things I love: midwest emo, shoegaze, and Finn Mcenty! Thanks for a good roast, made me laugh!
@Lucas Logg I like you, Dude!
I always love it when Finn helps me realize, that even I have had an above average sex life and social life generally up until this point, and even now that I' m married with 3 kids, that because I love prog and "nerdy" music, I'm actually a friendless virgin. I've seen the light finally!
@Gondola Isekai oh I’m not really mad or offended or anything, I still love Finns content, I just think he oddly fixates on the social and sexual status of fans a bit too often.
I wish I could take back 3/4th of my fucks ngl
@@gkezele Gary, it’s a joke. It’s not about you.
Although to be fair, you should really try to have a good amount of sex before you get into prog, so that you can be that confident dude with that one weird hobby that makes you charming to women so you can have more sex.
@@HeavyMetal-jy4vj I just got married and then revealed to my wife that I like prog, that way she’s stuck.
Shoegaze on its own can be pretty dull and underdone sometimes but I feel it’s the spiciest genre to mix something with
Ong.
Agreed like with black metal is fantastic
@@sadmarinersfan8935 sunbather being a perfect example
@@sadmarinersfan8935alcest does it right
Horse did a 10hr documentary called Earth Tour. I can't knock them after that dedication going to a country that Americans were forbidden from. They consider themselves 'future punk' and would likely refuse the nintendo core label. To me they are just diy hardcore through and through.
100%! The examples in this video is their old stuff, which has its charm. Their 2009 album is really great. If somebody says it sucks they're just being dicks on purpose.
def a terrible take on horse the band. they're one of the greatest to ever do it. a natural death, desperate living, and the your fault EP originals are all amazing
@@TheMutantMindframe For sure! 100% agree
Was just watching earth tour vol2. The beginning speech by the Chinese translator they were with is touching af
NIACIN!! Long live Horse.
I’m gonna be that one annoying genre parser. Dream pop =/= shoegaze and stoner =/= Doom. There’s plenty of doom bands that don’t sound like Sabbath.
Pallbearer is not rehashing Cathedral or Sleep whatsoever in my opinion. Agree on the EHG shit though even though I love the Nola sludge scene.
Dream Pop is Shoegaze without the distortion
@@jakeybball I’m from Nola and have kicked the dog food 11 times in my life it just hits different when you’ve lived it and I love God but it’s that good
@@jakeybball Heartless by Pallbearer was such a well rounded metal album.
Why the rigid categories!? The "good" shoegaze albums don't squarely fit into shoegaze. I mean the Cocteau Twins bridge shoegaze and dreampop. Albums that squarely fit into one unique genre are generic and boring. And shoegaze gets really generic, especially with newer releases. Same could be said about Post Rock and Prog.
When you can effortlessly go from "This shit can only be popular in Europe and southern California" to "ok let's talk about hick hop next"
For some good grind, there's Pig Destroyer. The earliest days are really noisy and violent, which I personally love, but Prowler in the Yard and Terrifyer have more of that hardcore edge, plus grooves and are improved in song structures. You might like that
The butt rock fan base is to busy working making big money with a 2022 Ram truck Diesel engine with a POW MIA bumper sticker and possibly an American flag on the cab glazing through the fresh freedom wind of the US while saying "HELL YA BROTHER! AMEN BROTHER!"
This one made me laugh out loud multiple times. Thank you for just being real and taking the piss out of the audience 😂 and I love shoegaze and grindcore!
Literally only clicked to see if Prog was featured, so that was fun. Prog and fusion are by far my favorite genre of music, and I will never understand why it's not more popular. It's just all the genres at once, often with a sincere effort to be more artistic and adventurous. But, I think more people would enjoy prog if they really dug into it--and realized how much "non-prog" is actually pretty proggy: The Beatles, Funkadelic, Primus, Soundgarden, Radiohead, Muse, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, and many, many others were often (or always) very prog.
I've always been into extreme metal and even played in a couple bands.. but the way these neckbeards fans have treated me over the years has made me despise it on a visceral level. Black metal, slam, doom, metalcore, all of it. Any time I look through pictures of shows I played I can just smell the misogynistic condescension and bad hygiene. I still listen to the music of course but I don't play in bands and I keep it to myself to avoid fedora fucks harassing me in public about my band shirt v
Btw thanks Finn, I feel a lot better now because so few guys will acknowledge this let alone validate women when we talk about the blatant, rampant sexism in rock and metal (or in general)
I can still recall being speechless when dudes would come up to me while setting up my rig, like my ovaries rendered me too feeble-minded to plug in a cord or push a button or something, ha! If they actually wanted to help they could have helped me carry in those heavy cabs because I appreciate genuine attempts to help and/or break the ice. I could rant forever so let me stop now lol. Like I do get that it takes nerve for anyone to approach a stranger and talk to them but let's all think more before acting or speaking.. please? If you wouldn't say it to/about a man then stfu basically lol
I want to add that my all male bandmates showed me nothing but respect, just like anyone else with no special treatment either, AND dealt with plenty of ridicule for having a skinny little girl in their bands and being accused of only letting me in because they wanted to fuck me, which was insulting to us all but they never once shidded on me to fit in with the douchebag elitists
I think metal is unmatched in-terms of how many neckbeard misogynistic assholes there is. Hopefully in time that changes, woman have made some of the most kickass metal I've heard!
This guy has some bad takes\
Thanks Finn for the horrible discovery of “Hick Hop”
My life is now significantly worse just knowing it exists
I once sent my high school band director a video of me on tour with my metalcore band. I guess I wanted him to know I was still playing drums and to thank him for the short time I spent under his wing.
His response was basically “But check this out!” and it was a local ska band. 😅 sometimes you just gotta take the L
Hick Hop is the car accident of music. It’s awful and really unpleasant, but you can’t look away for some reason. Some mesmerizing shit right there.
Exactly
Hoods + Woods is the force to be reckoned with💪🏻💪🏿
it's so fucking bad. I would have put it below f tier... but it's something you need to experience
Cmon yal, Cowboy Troy is the man!
Have y’all heard that Lil Durk ft Morgan Wallace cut tho? It’s actually good
So spot on when you were talking about women in scenes like modern prog, midwest emo, and the guitar community in general. Whenever you find a band with a female member you see an uncomfortable amount of losers speaking up. Like you say, sometimes they try and mask it as a compliment of her ability but always have to add in some cringe comment about finding her attractive.
One of my minor obsessions is Japanese girls rock, and dear god are there a ton of creepy weirdos in the fandom.
You are gay. Literally.
@@Default78334 dont pretend you're not one of them lmaoo
@@Default78334 I'd say at least 1 guy in 50 in society is a creepy weirdo, so it's not surprising. One thing being into Japanese bands does give you, it's the ability to NOT be surprised that a woman can play an instrument well. I've heard reactors make comments like "Wow! She can play better than me!" as if a professional musician playing at a higher level than their pub band is a shock.
lmaoo that's literally in every scene
my favourite bit about candlemass is they were put forward as 'good music' suggestions when i was first exploring the metals as a teen. Heard the song well before seeing the video so I didn't get they were a bit tongue in cheek. Love them so much, they're like a My Dying Bride that doesn't take itself at all seriously
I think butt rock fans suffer the same fate as jam band fans as far as being “fake chill.” If you look like you’re one of them they’ll welcome you with open arms but the second you say something they don’t immediately agree with because you thought you were in good company they’ll kick you right the fuck back out again.
They’ll both start shit if you tell ‘em they gotta move their car, it’s just instead of a beige 1998 Subaru Outback covered in Grateful Dead and “Coexist” stickers it’s a black 2013 Dodge Charger with a red claw-mark sticker across the passenger-side headlight.
Finn not realizing he’s a nerd as well is my favorite. MMA nerd making fun of music nerds. I love it! 🥰 it’s like a 2000s teen comedy! Soundtrack will be all Ska and Nintendocore! 🤣😂 Good video! Love when you do tier list!
I see him as a waaayyyyy more successful version of myself
So yes your correct
I think he’s aware of his nerd status. He’s acknowledged it in the past
I used to think I was a nerd but now after meeting so many actual nerds I realize I'm not at all
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA what is a nerd? I always thought a nerd was just someone who was really interested in something. If you’re into MMA so much that you’ve actually fought then you’re an MMA nerd
Finn is definitely a nerd, but hates geeks and dorks which is understandable
Loveless by My Bloody Valentine is on of the greatest albums of all time
It's better than Finn will ever achieve so I'm not sure why he was so hard on it
@@rorz999 fax lmao this just seems so conceited, you cant rank something thats subjective and try to pass it as fact
Respectfully disagree about Propagandhi. They put on a sick show, have good songs, are genuine guys, and truly believe in what they say.
Idk if you haven't noticed, but Finn hates any band that doesn't align with his hyper capitalist grind set point of view. RATM, Propagandhi and so on.
@@spider-scott8438 Yes, and thats what I'd credit his strange dislike of SOAD whilst being a ride or die Slipknot apologist.
Man I love that Propaghandhi album that and Carlos Jobim are the only two vinyls I’ve ever owned
@@kohhna totally.
@@diydylana3151 shitty grind core isn't the opposite of capitalist. It's not about the music but about the message. He hates propagandhi and RATM politically, not sonically is my guess.
There's a TON of different styles of Nintendocore. Everyone from Atari Teenage Riot to I See Stars has done it. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas has really done some actual bangers with chiptune and MIDI.
I just discovered Die Antwood at where I work.
Man I loved Atari Teenage Riot
Man atari teenage riot is truly unlistenable from what I remember in high-school.
Atari Teenage Riot is awesome
Try out SkyEatsAirplane
I used to work with this dude who was the biggest metal “elitist”. He would only listen to the most obscure bands and only on cassette. Nothing cool or redeeming about that guy
Horse the band is Awesome, especially Desperate Living. Kinda salty about it, but we all have different tastes lol.
I also LOVE horse the band. Just started vid so I’m assuming he talks shit. Gives me a sad. But to each their own
Ok
Horse is unlistenable….
And also
Five finger has some bangers.
K.
It was this point where I dipped out.
Once saw Phish(had a friend that we would go to each others shows,punk for me) and their encore was almost as long as their concert was.Crazy stuff but a fun crowd.And not to mention grilled cheese and cilantro cooked on an engine so they can get to the next show.Good stuff
Watching your channel is a really unique experience for me. Somehow watching a guy talk about music isn’t insufferable when our opinions on music couldn’t be different
I don’t like the idea of lumping classic 70’s prog fans with modern prog metal/djent bands. I feel like they’re two separate sub cultures. I love Yes, King Crimson, Genesis etc, but couldn’t care less for Polyphia or Periphery. Most of the people that I know who prefer old school prog aren’t really interested in the modern scene. best!
Shoegaze is of my favourite sub genre of alternative music , Finn doesn't have good taste, because he loves MGK and Yungblud 😂
Shoegaze in my book is one of the best genres and Finns taste in music has gone down hill.
Shoegaze>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MGK/Yungblud/Travis Barker/Pop punk/Metalcore
shoegaze, ambient, or post-rock or any music that suppose to be hypnotic are the hardest to get into and when you don't get it, you would just think that those genre are not making something.
this is what I thought when firstly listened to mbv- only shallow. my brother keep telling me about how interesting the guitar sound, but I was just think "oh, the distortion is maximum" and that's it, I was just thinking the music is that shallow. making rock music and blasting the distortion, the effects. that's what a kid do right.
but once I get into it I get the purpose of using much of effect and get that there are musics that are not to mosh(I don't know what word should be in here) but to feel. and after loveless I get thirsty that of hypnotic music. shoegaze really introduce me a lot of genre, a lot of band that I ignored. just for example deftones, iknow it wasn't shoegaze but without get shoegaze meaning, I couldn't find interesting thing in songs like minerva or sextape.
and shoegaze also introduce me into post-rock which is my comfort. godspeedyou!blackemperor is the best band of all time.
sorry for my english
@@yusa4467 there is a lot of good shoegaze and post rock/post metal you need to get into and Minerva by deftones is actually pretty good.
Shoegaze is nice, the frequencies of most songs just naturally connects really well. It’s something to chill to.
"they're virgins, that can be annoying" lmao im dead
Finn never fails to show his ignorance when he claims to love poppunk but fails to realize the massive influence midwest emo has had on pop punk.
Ok
Ya could have just put the period after ignorance and stopped there.
@@eboethrasher touche
That’s crazy
I mean, it's not an everyday listen for me, but psychobilly has a really cool sound. Horrorpops are great, Necromantix are great, and just anything with a upright bass in it has a really good sound to it
tiger army is worth checking out imo
Koffin Kats ftw
Zombie Ghost Train did it well too. “Buried Next to the King” is a fuckin banger of a tune.
ruclips.net/video/hyKaR-StaVk/видео.html fuck nekromantix and horror pops check out some pure psychobilly
We all discovered this guy because he put punkrock in his name, only to be unpleasantly surprised by the misadvertisment... he canned psychobilly and ska, then worshipped five finger death punches cock like a little girl... his wife would probably love to cheat, but she's afraid of getting her other eye blacked...
I’ve never heard about Hick Hop before this video. I’m from Ukraine(East Europe). This music is awful, it really SUCK!
Everyone is hating but tbh Finn is kinda right. As a shoegaze and doom fan I can say that although I love the two genres and respect them I will say it is kinda the same thing. Doom bands copy Sabbath and shoegaze bands copy mbv duster and slowdive
what kind of dude that likes powerviolence and hardcore thinks grindcore is bad smh, i get that pornogrind is cringe as fuck but that's barely any of the genre
What is midwest emo doing here man
Yeah I don't know. I really like it ❤
The Dead were the first " jam" band , you can also go with the Allman Bros. From that era. Psychobilly pretty much can be traced ( punk era), To the Cramps. Columbus had decent rockabilly bands in the semiway back. My guess in California it's from an active car culture that runs from the " Okies" esp. In Shit kicker country, look to Bakersfield. Maybe some cultural roots with Biker culture: check Hunter Thompson's , " Hells Angels", bio for reference. Shoegaze. More diverse than My Bloody Valentine, check Nadja for heavier stuff. Dunno much about Blackwave out side of Alcest. And " you know who".
Edit. For the more ," rockish" Shoegaze adjacent Id go with Sweevedriver, Spacemen 3 , Loop. But these are old dunno about how it's been absorbed in the past 25 years.
Thanks for this!
Great post.
A name I recognize, at least I think I do, as far as having knowledge about Cbus, and being able to provide info. Cbus has always had good Rockabilly, especially Goth-A-Billy thanks to Crazy Mama's.
Midwest Emo dudes are the most gaslight-y manipulative people ever.
Sorry for all the comments, but this tier list is cracking me the f up!
Pop punk can be VERY ANNOYING! But it really depends on who the band is. Billy Idol's old punk rock band GENERATION X was sort of viewed the same way GREEN DAY, GOOD CHARLOTTE, and BLINK 182 is now by certain people in the punk scene (what's left of it). LEMMY KILMISTER of MOTORHEAD was once asked in an interview if rock n roll was going to live on in future generations and he said ,"of course, but you're not going to like it and that's the way it supposed to be." Each generation has there own sound, and naturally gen x'ers like myself tend to cling to what we know and the younger crowd might see BLACK FLAG or MINOR THREAT as oldies music or something. By the way I have to disagree about Psychobilly music. The Cramps were awesome!