Why Forza Motorsport looks SO BAD?
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- From outdated car models to uncountable bugs, could graphics get better?⚠️ EDIT: Microsoft Flight Simulator doesn't use FTECH (Those were old rumors)
In general the game looks good, and a game doesn't need to possess photo-realistic graphics to be good, but we were marketed something else in this case... there's no doubt, issue is the consistency which is missing, sometimes looks great yet other times terrible, like if they cherry-picked and only developed a few scenarios for the marketing? who knows, it's 2020s gaming industry after all.
Forza Motorsport has great potential, if the support persists.
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''The game is clearly an pre alpha''
When it comes to games looking "beautiful", companies of our day just misunderstand the concept. Everyone just forces RTX ultra shiny lighting mess of graphics, sure the technology today is much much better than before but I don't think it makes it any good. I think what makes a game beautiful is it's composition, detail and homogenity. Nothing should be exaggerated or lean. Every model or texture should be up to standart(it doesn't even need to be that high, just consistent) to not break the illusion. And finally detailed in an authentic way. As an example, be it quite a diffrent one, Man Of War: A.S. 2 was and still is a game I just stop and like to look at. The textures are trash, so are many things not up to todays standart, but it is consistent and authentic. The maps not being open world lets the devs to focus much more on details, and so I think the F.M. could do it as well. With that budget, they could have easely made everything look right, but they sadly didn't.
100% right. Consistency is very important to make the game look good and authentic. I really dislike modern post processing effects and lighting, it's often overdone and becomes a visual mess most of the time. Older games were alot cleaner to look at I find. It doesn't matter if the objects have 10 times more polygons/triangles, if you can't create something consistent and clean to look at it will look hiduous in the end.
I have been playing Forza Horizon 4 recently and that game is stunning, it is a great example of a relatively modern game that gets the lighting and consistency right. That game looks much better than this new Forza game imo. I may be a bit biased because I love the green and gloomy landscapes of Scotland, (I actually visited Scotland and Edinburgh this summer and it was beautiful) and all the stonewalls framing the roads/properties but still.
In Forza Motorsport's case. It's paint. The paint looks bad. It's flat and has no depth to it compared to Horizon 5 which does way better on the same terrible car models.
that is the current mistake of modern games, too perfect, too shiny, exaggerated wet effects, cars reflecting surfaces like diamonds or jewels, i dont underdtsnd what concept of reslity do they have, but real life is much more imperfect than they think, i remembrr seeing a gameplay of a bugatti veyron, i dont remember if it was gran turismo or forza but holy shit, the reflections were too bright that it was complicated to even look at the car, real life is a ness because it is composed of materials, and those materials are not shiny nor perfectly created from scratch, they go through a process, and that process is a whole mess, that's why real life is imperfect and not shiny.
this is also why old games like fallout3 and oblivion look like garbage on modern systems.
the architechture behind bloom is like 10x more intense than 256mb video cards.
and the stuff relating to particles is over done too.
I genuinely think sedentary lifestyle and staring at the phone all the time when going outside surrounded by concrete everywhere has skewed the perspective of reality for many.
Honestly.
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people should talk about this more, but sadly normies just don't care. if the 3d model looks similiar to the car they know, they'll just take it. literally 18 years old 3d models retrofitted with interiors, it's just shameful. turn10 has all the power and money to 3d scan these cars but they just choose not to... if they would scan like 20 old cars for each new installment i bet we would have all the original cars looking as good as recently scanned cars.
I guess I'm not as much of a View Car merchant as you but who gives a shit. I wonder why they didn't allocate significant productive capacity to 3D scan IROC-Z's for people who play the game solely for photo mode. I'd rather they work on adding circuits than scanning a bunch of cars for marketing material that already look perfectly fine in chase cam. But of course, it's the normies fault. It's not because you're a mark
@@brother-calm even if they did rescan everything they would just find something else to bitch about. It's trendy to cry on RUclips about things that don't matter.
@@brother-calm It is the normies fault
@@brother-calmoh sorry, didn't forza themselves say the game was built from the ground up? Doesn't that suggest that their inaccurate 18 year old models contradict that statement?
every aspect in this game is "INCONSISTENT", ranged from great up to awful. Looks like devs are heavily rely on ray tracing, upscaling, and every others new gen hardware technologies have. Sadly, a lot of recent AAA games are going in to that directions resulting a lot of messy graphics and performance (especially in mid to lower hardware). the amount of known issues listed on the official forza support stated that the game isn't completed by the period of its release.
They definitely didn't rely on RT. The rt is absolutely piss poor. Only the player car has RT, and RT only covers objects up to 1 meter away and reflects them cleanly with no actual diffusion based on the material. It's literally the laziest implementation I've seen.
Even FM 5 looks better and has more content than FM 2023.... FM 5 was actually built from the ground up unlike FM 2023. In FM5 they needed to remodel all cars interiors so they can be viewed in FORZA VISTA which first appeared in that game(if we consider having all cars in the game explorable). All cars also had info about them which was a nice touch.
I remember the hate FM5 got back it's launch being a better game for the time... times have changed, the community has lowered their standards kneeling and justifying to corporation mess ups like never before.
@@KonTurboR Exactly but the thing is that FM 5 is now better than FM 2023 until they bump up the content in few years but people say that FM 2023 is a good game and ignore most of it's issues. The whole game was launched broken which is just insane for a 6 year old development time. At least FM 5 wasn't being soft locked after loading screens or had those kind of game breaking glitches like FM 2023. Also the damage model on FM 5 is much much better than in FM 2023 while not being introduced as "NEW AND REWORKED". It also sometimes look better than FM 2023 cuz it had natural colors and lighting and not being washed out and shiny like FM 2023.
@@KonTurboR "the community has lowered their standards kneeling and justifying to corporation mess ups like never before."
So f*****g true!
And the reviewers pulled another Cyberpunk 2077 on the players. Lying about its quality and even pretending everything is fine.
FM 2023 is FM 8, let that sink in
@@DRIVEMACHINE65 bruh i just noticed that i first typed 2023 then 8 💀. Well we all make mistakes sometimes.
The new Motorsport looks way too washed out imo, the cars look like their paint has been exposed to high levels of UV light, causing it to fade. Why did it change so much from the initial showcase? I call BS on "it's just the style we're going for," Horizon 5 looks so much better (a cross-gen title by the way). I'm also getting tired off the inaccurate models as well, low poly is one thing, but if the wheel bases aren't even the same as the real life car potentially making the handling inacurate, then a new model has to be made, and after so long they only remodeled one car, the 22B. Honestly after GT7 I'm not falling for this again, Forza should just stick to the Horizon spin-off if they can't make a main-line Motorsport better than Motorsport 4, I really wanted this one to be good to...
Yes, if aerodynamics and tyres are being simulated in real time, deformations regarding the inaccuracy of the models do affect the gameplay. They should've let FM series die after FM4, they clearly want to focus in FH series only, which is ok it sells more. If they truly wanted to keep FM alive, they wouldn't be launching this... yet charging up to $100.
I agree, polygons aside the materials are the biggest issue here (graphically).
You DO understand, nobody needed to purchase this game right? Anddddd you compared it to GT7 🤮😂
"BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP"
What a bait was it
A lie was everything promised by turn 10, they had a lot of time to do something worthwhile and in the end it was this garbage.
Turn 10 has been so many years prioritizing quantity over quality and this happens
I Wish that was true but the single player carrier lacks event's. So they came up with this bs of monthly timed events to keep people playing.
This is true, this game feels like something they whipped together in like a year or less its a complete mess.
I'm also disappointed in the tracks available. The last Forza Motorsport I played was 3 and I remember racing on beautiful mountain tracks, with gorgeous ocean views, and racing amongst old Southern-European / Mediterranean-style buildings, Japanese tracks with nice waterfalls, and even racing in the middle of Manhattan, New York streets. But none of that in this game. It makes me sad. I boot this new Forza game but then remember the limited number of tracks that all look the same and I want to stop playing already.
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Estoy de acuerdo, aquellos eran especiales, un saludo.
Driveclub still looks better you showed them back to back and Driveclub actually looked really nice.
I really can't remember racing game which looks more satisited and pleasant than Driveclub.
Game from 2014 fcks everything that came later. Ridiculous situation.
FM looks absolutely terrible on my Series S. Of course, it's just Series S but FH5 looks much better. FM just looks unfinished, details are terrible, textures, tracks surroundings are TERRIBLE (trees, banners etc). FM looks like a big scam from Turn 10.
Yes.on Xbox series S the news forza look sometimes like PS3 game ...
you don’t wanna know how disappointed i was after buying a new series s last week just to play this game and seeing fh5, a 2 year old game that’s optimized for xbox one, look a thousand times better.
It looks terrible on PC at 4K, mate.
Graphics are bugged because on my setup it looks bad, on your it looks good for example. There is zero consistency.
FH5 looks like a generation ahead, even on Series S. These devs had no excuse, especially after all the marketing BS they were pushing about this being true next gen.
As if 3D trees and crowds is some new f*cking feature lol.
There's a huge push in the gaming industry to force 4k60 and raytracing in games on the consoles since they were advertised as 4k consoles. The consoles have the equivalent of an rtx 2070/3060 where if you own one of those, you know that 4k and raytracing means lowest graphics settings in any game from the past few years. I think this is causing a lot of developers to cut a lot of corners to focus on getting to run 4k on what is essentially 1080p60/1440p30 hardware.
Correct, but even with RTX Off it looks bad proportional to the requeriments.
@@KonTurboR new update in gt7 killed the new forza motorsport as a whole
Uh. A 3060 is EASILY running 1440p over 30fps. You definitely have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to what the hardware specified can run. Everything else was spot on but that was incredibly wrong. Only 1080p 60??? On a 2070? Dude Lmao you need to visit Linus tech tips and learn about PC hardware.
Absolutely wrong its the Power of Rx 6700 which is more powerful way more powerful than a 3060.
Even a 6600 is better in rasterizing than a 3060.
No race car events in the Builder's Cup, being unable to change your car in between events in the Builder's Cup, borked Drivatar liveries in Free Play, the inability to create a custom public lobby, having to restart the game when changing video settings or else your framerate tanks, no improvements on the livery editor, GT's has been leaps and bounds better since it was introduced in Sport, being touted as a 'reboot' despite using the same font and design language as FM7... They could have just as well called it 'FM8', why did they drop the weight of expectation on themselves if they can't lift it? As a PC gamer, this is the only experience I have like this. I suppose the only improvement they made was that there's no microtransactions.
Because Forza Motorsport is just another car game to make quick buck with minimal effort while Gran Turismo 7 is the ode to the automobile industry.
the 'flashing' windshields is just a nature of screen space reflections (yes, the road is not ray traced). When an outside object occludes a reflective area then the reflection cannot work properly because the reflected object is not visible on screen anymore. It's in every game using SSR.
Not much can be done about damage model. Car companies don't want us to see their products being destroyed and have strict licensing terms
I don't think companies want to see their cars poorly depicted as to badly modeled and textured in a game either lol.
@@KonTurboRalright but badly textured can be passed and damage models can't be, thats the point. Also their cars are still I'm the game so they probably don't care too much do they
Considering need for speed unbound has the same cars with body kits and damage models for everything and it's a ea game they're known for cutting corners more than anyone else 😊
Bullshit, realism is realism. Back in ps1 days , Gran Turismo passed as a REAL* driving simulator. Now, its a joke. Not only should all cars have realistic damage modelling, but the driver should also face consequences up to and including DEATH, THAT would make a fine simulator, and also give the best depth to the game. Imagine investing hundreds of hours in a driver, and then having a crazy accident that not only totals the car, but kills the driver, forcing you to restart the whole game, do you know what that would make it? A SIMULATOR. Drivers die in real life when they fuck up or someone else does. I may be angry initially, but I would learn a valuable lesson about pushing too hard, and I would be very impressed by the realism and depth of the game. I could play it forever. Developers are just being lazy, and thats a common factor in most games these days, just look at Starfield. I want a game with Gran Turismo car selection and race modes, BeamNG damage, and Forza car mods, plus I want the driver to have experience point progression, and for him to suffer physical damages from bad accidents, leading to long hospital stays that reduce your experience. Then I would CARE about my cars, I would CARE about my drivers, and I would actually FEEL like I was playing a deep simulator. FUCK keeping the cars pretty.
@@toxictophat711you need to also consider the fact that Unbound has way less car than FM and EA have K.S as one of their modeler.
You all remember when Forza motorsport 5 was touted as the worst forza motorsport? well congratulations those 6 years of hard work paid off cuz now we have a new king.
Look this isnt rocket science alright, its not like they are building the next uncharted 4, or the next GTA 5, or the next Fallout new vegas, alright, this is simple and they been doing it for well over a decade, and they have numerous ammount of experience, in what the players want and do not want, the ability to take out drift tires, and the wheel spacers is absolutely bollocks, wide bodykits now look like a proper joke once again. The team that did forza horizon 5 put more effort ina single palm tree then the entire team that worked on this game for 6 years, this is INEXCUSABLE at this point, turn 10 should have enough experience to actually make the game look like it was promised in the ORIGINAL 2020 forza motorsport 8 trailer, i am tired of these behemoths of companies taking us for a ride with our wallets and not doing anything innovative.
My question to you is, what does forza motorsport do that i cant find in forza motorsport 6, not even 7 alright forget about 7. What does forza motorsport have that forza 6 doesnt have, besides the newer cars being added in, the answer is nothing, as a matter of fact we lost MORE ABILITIES then we gained. This is a fucking joke do not defend this, do not give them advice, they have all the advice they need, from the 1st forza motorsport to the very last, i dont care. Advice is needed for the indie developers that are working their ASS off making better stuff at release day then these sorry excuse games by a billion dollar corporation that is buying companies left and right, "oh yes lets buy out bethesda, blizzard activision, treyarch and infinity ward, but let's not give Turn 10 studios competent people to improve on forza motorsport" Lets not forget that this forza releases with less tracks then ANY other forza motorsport in the franchise. How we have allowed this to manifest in the first place is not only a joke but the fact that they seem to think that is perfectly acceptable to launch with this many tracks and not even have the nurburgring at the beginning of the game's lifecycle?
This is inexcusable, completely inexcusable, do not forgive them do not give them an inch, you give them an inch they will take an entire foot, Well i am putting my foot down, and im here to say i dont like they way they are toying with us, need i remind you this is microsoft? The company that earlier this year made some very ballsy acquisitions. GOD HELP US ALL and these unsalvageable car models im having a heart attack
Hmm I wish I saw more comments like this, the conformity of the community has me confused and repulsed.
I don't thinks it's unfair for our expectations to be high for coming into this game as a consumer. I was very disappointed in the graphics and how generic it looked on day one. I expected the quality to be at least where it is in Forza Horizon 5. The truth is, most of us play both the Horizon games as well as Motorsports. Most days I start off playing FH5 for a few hours, and then go directly over to this game. It's very underwhelming, to the point where I'm finding that I really just want to go back to FH5. I feel I do my part by having the equipment they claim is needed to maximize the overall gaming experience (4K TV, and the top of the line XBox Series X, ect.. ect..) I also always buy the Premium version of the new game. With that being said, I feel let down. I 100% agree that it feels forced, and money driven to release it when they did. But PLEASE, if your going to tease us with previews of "in game footage" that looks amazing, you better at LEAST come close to it when we finally get to play it! It's the standard you you set with that preview! I do, in turn, understand that marketing is going to produce a preview that looks looks slightly better than what your will actually get, but come on, this isn't even close! It feels like what i received was a knock of version from a gas station.
Is this the beginning of the end for the Forza franchise? It very could be. If they don't redeem themselves from this "deceptive" release somehow, people are going to start losing faith in them. As consumers, we don't forget this type of thing when it comes time for the next Forza game. We will very much expect them to at least hold up the standard that they had previous to this. If they don't... Well, it's their funeral.
Tbh, this game almost looks worse in 4K. The amount of upscaling going on is crazy
It's incredible how they went BACKWARDS. FH5 looks and plays 1000 times better. FM7 plays leagues better than FM. I have no idea how they went backwards so badly. The ENTIRE team failed miserably on FM.
"Built from the ground up" btw. Great video, man. You earned a sub. Can you make a video on car sounds of this new Forza Motorsport so that devs can notice? It will be amazing as all the cars sounds like vaccum cleaner, compressed and synthesized. A80 Supra and Skyline R34 sounds unrealistic and not accurate, along with many others. Keep up the great work
Is it just me or do the cars sound like they Rev underwater at the beginning of each race that isn't a rolling start?
This game looks and plays like a +10 year old game. Shitty materials and shaders, awful recylced models, buggy lighting, horrible "dirt" textures that look like somebody poured acid on the car, etc.
Also one thing i'm wondering is didn't they have big enough budget to laser scan the tracks? Some of them are so botched it physically hurts. Silverstone being probably the worst offender.
They are laser scanned, but from Forza Motorsport 5.
@@KonTurboR Am i missing something then, because stuff like the vale chicane and the chicane at the end of nurburgring definitely feel very wrong
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> Am I missing something
no
I know graphics don’t make a game fun or good, but I find this game to be absolutely unacceptable in its state.
GT7 on PS4 is light years ahead of FM on Xbox X. They oversold the everliving hell out of this game.
Horrible tactic. I love Forza, but I can’t pay for this game.
I agree, GT7 on PS4... looks almost comparable to FM8 on an at least x6 more powerful console (Series X), which is insane.
idk why people keep buying these trash scam games when they've been telling lies ever since the first trailer
Definitely not impressed by the damage modelling in the new game. It looks half baked, generic and really poor quality. Though this may in part be due to the licensing limitations, Forza needs separate licenses to be able to use damage modelling on cars, as many manufacturers are EXTREMELY fussy about what sort of damage they allow to be seen on their cars. So the devs may have simply opted for a generic model but that's still no excuse for how bad and poorly detailed it is, it's not even representative of where you get the damage from let alone realistic.
I also noticed that some of the cars looked a little bit odd (even without raytracing it's noticeable), but couldnt quite put my finger on it. This explains why though, whilst it's understandable and saves time and money (game assets get reused all the time) it's inexcusable behaviour for a company this size, considering the improvements to graphics even in the last couple of years with raytracing etc.
the shadows and reflections are just so jaring and shitty. Maybe that's why every surface has such a flat finish, if you could see reflections everywhere it would hurt your eyes with how jagged and blurry everything would be
well you forgot about the terrible and even WORSE sounds..
This game has to be the biggest let down in the entire franchise. The most unfinished as well.
I bought this game because of the sheer number of cars and refunded because 90% of them are paywalled.
Lol no they're not. Only the carpass cars are
Ray tracing is so overhyped developers love to market it for their games but most fail to implement it correctly usually just a washed out mess
literally got the game and refunded it because it looks so bad, like nfs unbound has better models and looks better than this game
Because old programmers are retiring and new generations taking over cant do the job
I grew up playing NFS High stakes, all of these models look fine to me.😂
Inaccurate thumbnail.
Everyone knows they haven't properly painted the AE86's front bumper since Motorsport 5.
Here we are 8 months later. While they did improve some lighting the core issues persist! Extreme amount of depth of field - still no option to turn it off or reduce it making the game a blurry mess. There are still sometimes graphicaly wierd things going on with lighting/shadows on interior parts like a cage beam. They just dont listen and therefore i will never buy a forza again - to me forza IS dead!
Microsoft today is the second highest market cap company in the world. They have the resources to not cheap out. And they still did. Very disappointing when even mainstays of quality could be relied upon, but even their best video game franchises are getting worse.
1:15 that 350z model is such a joke, its insane to me how forza continues to give us bullshit and the normies give them praising for it, while the ones who truly care about the quality of the game get we're ungrateful and spoiled. Sorry, but no game in 2023, after being worked on for 5+ years with statements such as "built from the ground up" boasting about raytracing should be looking like this.
FM no longer try to compete with GT and that's a problem, when we look at simcade on xbox and PC our only choice is either PC3, Grid Legends or FM (there's AC but the career mode and car selection was too small to draw interest from the casual audience) hence their complacent.
Remember Microsoft has stopped making games to sell console.
Now if only sony have the ball to release GT7 on PC maybe Turn10 can feel the competition but for now? They'll comforably sit at the top.
(Edit: I forgot to include Grid Legends)
I literally hopped into GT7. First time PS owner and GT, and most of what the video creator said is in GT7 and I’m extremely impressed by GT7.
Motorsport looks like you're driving in a river when it rains. It's utterly ridiculous
It’s the paint shader that looks the worst, every car looks wrapped instead of having the depth and layers of real car paint.
Definitely there's something wrong with how game renders paint. Metallic paints looks like mat, also many paints are not very accurate.
@@adamx3068 hasn’t changed since Xbox 360, it’s absolute garbage
That rain gameplay without the droplets on the screen looks way nicer and easier to use. If i wanted to have a realistic experience in the rain id use interior cam with the rain on the windshield. I dont think its a necessity to have it all over the screen artificially. Personally just makes the game look worse and more annoying (though thats probably what they want)
Agree
I uninstalled it yesterday. It looked like a tech demo. Absolutely nothing new.
finally someone mentioned the gto’s/3000gt’s model, its absolutely atrocious, definitely the worst car model in my opinion.
Here's the problem though, higher quality scanning requires more time and money than ever, and the fans want ALWAYS at least 400 cars each game. Even with all the money in the world that isn't possible, the solution should've been making a small 200 roster of cars like GT3, impeccably lookin cars... But people would complain.
Do you know who owns turn 10?
@@KonTurboR Yes. It doesn't matter, still would need more time, money and at that point it doesn't become a huge cash cow anymore, just a moderate success aka what Microsoft doesn't wants. They want a Fortnite, not a PUBG
@@CYB3R2K For that they have Horizon, should've left Motorsport die alone and keep moving rather than scamming.
My first Forza was Forza Horizon 4, I played for over 2000 hours. I then played another 500 in Forza Horizon 5 until I saw a video that mentioned the models were from older games.
You see the "issue" ? You see why they don't bother updating them? If someone that played so much didn't notice (besides some low poly steering wheels and interior trim in some cars), how do you think an average player non-car guy will? As long as you update everything else, light, shadows, effects, atmospherics, the game will look good, and that's what maters.
Yes, money matters, newcomers matter, who cares about the og fans right? Your mentality works for money making, despising art, you are right, sadly.
Not sure if y’all noticed it, but do you notice the cars that tend to be added? The super cars, hyper cars, cars that are unobtainable for 99% of us - but that’s what we liked as kids right and I feel that maybe we’re no longer the target audience? Curious to know your thoughts
@@worldofz00 no, we are no longer the target audience since a while ago, obviously, and sadly.
We still can even change the exhaust (visually). I cant upgrade a d class car into s class with 700 hp and it will still have the oem exhaust LOL. It look so off especially when you add body kits
This game can one second be the best-looking game I've ever seen, then a second later look like it's from the Xbox 360 era. If they could just tweak what they already have, it could be the best-looking console racing game. Unfortunately, Turn 10 seems to be incompetent these days to make the proper adjustments and fixes.
Agree.
I remember Ai cars also have very very low LOD. My god some of them wipers doesn't even work! In FM7, I was having a race in the rain and then I saw the Ai cars headlights are turned off but tail lights are all ON. Some cars have missing side view mirrors too such a Chrysler or Chevy Camaro(old)
We need more videos like this. No one should want the competition to fail. Competition and constructive criticism breeds better games. Hoping Turn 10 can bounce back with future patches/fixes.
Yeah it's not destructive hate as many claim, I don't want the franchise to die, but Turn 10 is killing it and we need to tell them.
Don't forget AUDIO. Audio is arguably more impactful than visuals in a racing game. None of the cars sound remotely realistic in Forza. There's no way to connect with the cars and the track if it all sounds fake. Play a game like Assetto Corsa Competizione and feel the crazy immersion that game brings by it's realistic audio design. The brakes, the tires, and most importantly the car actually sounds similar to what it does in real life.
I'd rather have 50 cars that are super true to life than 500 cars that sound nothing like real life.
I guess this has to do with the new engine they are using heck even fh 5 looks better than fm
Wheels look the worst. Rims look like plastic junk
The thing about fm8 is that I feel like they tuned the lighting to be photorealistic as in… it looks like a photo of what real life would be. Not what real life would be. Sometimes it looks fine, but sometimes it looks jarringly washed out in a way that gt7 doesn’t. They probably should have focused more on color work if they were going to take advantage of ray tracing.
Remember the first trailers and reveals? they forgot Forza Motorsport is a *Motorsport* game, they bragged so much about the environments, and they got somewhat photorealistic surroundings.
It's like, if you remove the cars from the game it looks like almost photo.
The reflections on cars look awful because they capped the resolution (and in some modes the framerate) of them even in ultra settings. Apparently some people remedied that by editing game files and it can look good if T10 just set it up properly.
The rain is also a stepdown from FM7 in cockpit view IMO.
Overall the only thing that FM8 has going for it visually is ray tracing. Feels they didn't even try which is a huge shame. I really fell into the advertising and FH5 trap of thinking this game will look great.
It doesn'treallyhave RT going for it. The rt is absolutely piss poor. Only the player car has RT, and RT only covers objects up to 1 meter away and reflects them cleanly with no actual diffusion based on the material. It's literally the laziest implementation I've seen.
Yet it eats 30 fps...
The game is a broken flop. Thats it
It's not complaining, it's criticism. Criticism is vital to any business to improve anything. As long as it's constructive criticism and not threats or the like.
I so agree! Glad you made this video. Forza Motorsports graphics are so ugly compared to Forza Horizon 5!
FH5 is only 1080P30, FM8 is 8K120
@@dankeplaceyou can have FH5 in 4k???
@@Iden_in_the_Rain I have it in 100K
FH5 from graphics perspective, looks almost exactly the same. The world details they have put into the game improve it overall.
Forza looks like someone just pour oil all over the place. The thumbnails are the worst I’ve ever seen in a racing game. I’m on a series x with a lg c10. I’ve played with every visual setting I could including on the tv. It just looks terrible.
They promised a brand new game built from the ground up. Then they release a game that makes only minor changes to the previous game but is as bug-ridden as a game built from scratch. They had an opportunity to finally surpass Gran Turismo but then they failed. What the hell are Turn-10 playing at?
> What the hell are Turn-10 playing at
I would say FM8, but they don't even test their games anymore it seems.
I still don't get why horizon looks so much better than this game
Good thing the scam cybertruck or what ever isn't there.
This reminds me of when you put a 2013 and a 2020 car together in gta5. The difference in detail and quality and 3d styling trends is just so uncanny to have in one room.
Horizing 5 looks better
People can say what they want about FM but i rather play it over any horizon.
Yeah, the newest Horizons are boring despite of being a bit better made overall.
@@KonTurboR the last 2 horizons were the same game with different skins. Only played F5 a day or so before I couldn't tell the difference between it and 4
6:59 the answer to this is pretty sad. Even with the so called “Ray Tracing” enabled, this is a blatant giveaway of Screen Space Reflections being used instead. An issue SSR has had since its creation is that ANY obstructions in the way of a reflection will have a weird “wipe” effect, in that the area surrounding that obstruction will have that weird light artifact/vanishing of the reflection. I’m not discrediting Screen Space Reflections, in fact, it still works really well for such an old method of recreating water reflections, but I genuinely don’t know what is being ray traced in this game. The car paint models look flat in many instances, the shadow resolution and drop off on the cars are horrendous, the rain reflections from what I can tell are rendered with SSR, the list goes on.
For real the r34 gtr s tune bumper looks absolutely terrible. I remeber trying to recreate my r34 from the NFS games and I was so confused becaused it looked like ass
Gt7 has more realistic rain in my opinion and how the dynamic wheather system work is more advanced, car models is also in another league in gt7, they done their work remade all of their models witch means they are also future proof, forza needs to start doing this with their old models, pd does the car scans them self, turn 10 is not cabable of doing it them self, its outsourced, so its proably about money i would guess, i prefer gt7 over fm, i just dont find any good reason why i need fm at all, specially not considering I have to buy a new console to play it, sounds is not good either i dont know wtf turn 10 has been doing for 6 years both fh5 and gt7 has superior car sounds
Regarding rain model, cars can drive a trail of dry asphalt along racing line so thanks to that as long as you stay inside that dry asphalt you can drive on hards instead of wet.
The whole game looks like absolute trash and runs like it too. I play on PC and have "decent" specs in my opinion, a Ryzen 7 5700, RTX 3070, and plenty of ram. However, this game runs so inconsistently it's nearly unplayable at times, forget about having RTX on and high settings, if I want anything more than 25fps I have to set everything one or two notches down. Strangely enough Forza Horizon 5 looks MUCH better, has much more world detail and more assets to generate than this game and more destructible environments (so you'd assume more demanding) but runs SO much better. With FH5 I can play on ultra settings with RTX on and cap out at the 72fps it's set to. HOW is that even possible?
In my previous video I compare settings and set it up for 3060 and Ryzen 5600, you could check it out and I hope it helps, some settings don't really make the difference and are better kept in medium such as mirror and window reflections and shadows in high.
Terrible reason for arguing that you need damage in your game. Forza's graphics always look like animation. YES Driveclub STILL looks better
Summarise: GT7 is way better.
sometimes the car show on stage after the race is got jagged..... Car is shiny, but lack of realism.....
Built from the ground up
Fact that EA and codemasters managed Re Built SPA is tregedy
it is not the pc. it is just the game. it looks really foggy.
The devs r on facebook lying saying that isnt happening with horizon editions 😂
the problem is that they know all the console users are going to keep buying the "new" game. even though its been copy pasta and bad implementation release after release. people are still buying it. the moment they notice bad sales. is the moment the game owners are going to put( allow) any effort into a project
Guys, to the human eye the water is shiny, on camera not so much.... forza replicates your eyes.. and you're using RL CAMERA footage to show what it "really looks like" .... ever use your cell phone in a rain storm... looks totally different then your eyes see it .. kighter and less reflective
the cars look like boats in the rain
In the countdown before starting a race the game looks perfect, very clear, then everything is blurry whether in races or menu, it is very strange.
Nice video, but one thing irks me.
Driveclub *does* look better. Not good for its time, but better, period. New does not mean better
Hmm yeah.
Forza grafics 👎👎👎👎👎👎👎
I just don't find the game enjoyable to play from a driving prospective, even the race cars feel too heavy and unresponsive compared to earlier titles, it feels like there's artificial delay almost. 64 times the tire fidelity dosen't mean squat if the physics itself is fundamentally flawed. FM 2023 should not feel worse to play than FM2 2007.
There is a very subtle thing that used to be in Forza, at least i remember it being in FM7, maybe the FH3 and 4... the clock time was linked to the time IRL, probably linked to the PC time...
I bet that SOny and Polyphony were laughing their asses off when they saw Forza Motorsport in this state. I know that i would be laughing tears , Great video, thank you. I agree in all terms that you mention. This new Forza game is a shame.
Car companies these days do not allow high damage. Don't ask me why but they just don't.
They have also started remaking allot of modals since it upset allot of people. Rightly so, they shouldn't be using 360 modals. I don't expect Gran Turismos level of details since they are almost photorealistic and put a ton of money into the scan technology and people to use it. But some of the Forza car modals are just terrible.
Too little too late will stick too gt7 70$ + is too much for a game missing way too much vs fm7
Car model not good
Graphics not good enough
Car sound not good enough
Tracks are not accurate to real life
Buggy ass game
Meanwhile Turn 10 Studios: Build from the ground up 6 years of hard work 😂
Shame
I really thought that my Xbox and even my 4090 is docking broken but no. This graphics are incredibly horrible specially the cars models in the showing mode.
The worst 3d model of the forza series was the golf mk5 gti and they removed it in fm4..
They gonna chill with releasing new games every vehicle should be scanned no excuses
nfs payback used to have good car models damn silvia was so nice
If Gran Turismo add an open world city mode its all over. Only thing missing
The racing is ass tbh gt is for car nerds forza is for racers
@@Isipdirtydrugs lmao Forza is for rammers not racers
Personally I played forza motorsport and there was graphical artifacts everywhere and someone peed on the screen 10/10 graphics would recommend.
Having 700+ cars in the forza games you know manufacturers wound't want to generally see their cars crushed to pieces. It's probably much easier to obtain licences this way and also how many players do you think care about damage? We're not playing forza for the destruction.
What I'm arguing is that they had no excuse to not remodel some cars, given they saved up money and time sparing the damage models.
Damage models is not Forzas Fault, its the irl Manufactures Contracts with the games
Nah check NFS Unbound's damage model.
low poly trueno on preview of video have better proportion then trueno from forza xd
need to write on the forum what to change, improve... if the game is not indifferent
Ray tracing is the biggest con this generation
you are absolutely oblivious to what you're talking about, and doing a great disservice to everyone that takes what youre saying at face value. I do a lot of vfx and post production work, real time ray tracing is the pinnacle of real time graphics and its always been a developer dream. This might not be the best use of the tech but if you look at something like cyberpunk you'll see what im saying