inflatable paint booth amzn.to/3kzufhA In this video I talk about why car paint jobs are so expensive. Especially compared to what they were in the 70s and 80s.
CATALYTIC CONVRTER FACT.....FROM WIKI......An engine equipped with a three-way catalyst must run at the stoichiometric point, which means more fuel is consumed than in a lean-burn engine. This means approximately 10% more CO2 emissions from the vehicle. CO2 is the primary reason for climate change. Im not saying we didnt have a problem with CO emissions which are poison but nobody figured the long term of all the cars putting out 10% more CO2. Solve 1 problem create another. My biggest question is why are we not putting more plants in houses during the winter. Why is the Government not asking us to do this? Would it make a difference? Because they cant tax it. or make money on it that is why......Just my opinion. and yes catalytic converters are a major cause of climate change. Look at the time line. When I was a kid we did have a MAJOR issue with carbon monoxide in southern CA. there were 3 and 4 stage smog alerts every day in the summer. But there was NO talk about climate change. After the 80s there was less and less smog alerts. But in the 90s the Al Gore movie came out.....The concern about climate change REPLACED. the concern about Smog alerts.....Think about it.
And Al Gore lied. Historically, the CO2 level raised 800 years AFTER global warming. So he lied saying co2 was the driving factor of global warming. Listen now that we caught the lie, they rebranded global warming to climate change.
All that... if you believe "climate change" is even a bad thing. I want the climate to change. Maybe the dinosaurs will come back if we make it warm enough & eat all the bad people. edit I mean if we make it warm enough the dinosaurs will eat the bad people... I'll see myself out.
@@Salmon_Rush_Die higher global temperature have been associated with higher properity before. See the medieval global high for more info. We have to be careful, of course, but money doesnt solve the issue with that big bright ball in the sky. Money wont stop the milanchovitch cylces either. And it's always the little guys getting hit. Recycle this recycle that while I cant get a fucking part to repair my 4yo washing machine !
@@Veikra yes Gore did lie....lots of places in that movie. But Scientists are all crying about CO2 being the biggest cause. IDK really how anyone can fix it. People still breathe. animals still breathe. People cut down rain forests. and have not enough plant life. Lots of theories. IDK any clear solution. The earth usually fixes itself IMO.
Great explanation of why refinishing an old car is so expensive. Once in a while I will paint a car for someone. Been a while though - cost of materials is higher than most thought the whole job should be 😄
The catalytic converter completes the fuel burn ....eliminating hydrocarbons and nitrogen compounds. It does also converts co to co2 but co is also a greenhouse gas and is a contributor to ozone. The catalytic converter has had a tremendous positive effect on air pollution. It does not remove greenhouse gases from car exhaust nor does it add to them..
Your catalytic converter is named as such because it converts toxins into less harmful byproducts, such as water vapor and carbon dioxide. Without this component, your vehicle will no longer be filtering and reducing harmful emissions, including hydrocarbons, nitrogen oxides, and carbon monoxide. this is from google. The less harmful product of a catalytic converter is Carbon dioxide. Primary cause of climate. change. This is why Al Gore in the late 90s made the movie. We had no issues with climate change before that but we did have some major issues with carbon monoxide. Believe me I know what it is like to wake up to stage 3 and 4 smog alerts every day. The democratic government of California put a Band-Aid on this knowing it would be a issue later on. Not bothering to diversify energy or come up with a better solution. Just mandated it and deal with it later. Just like every "solution" they have also has an adverse effect. Mandate lower paint emissions, paint does not last as long and needs to be done more often "more net emissions" . Mandate solar panels, Solar panel companies raise the price because it is required on all new homes. Mandate fire sprinklers and now fire sprinkler companies can charge more to put the money into the person who mandated its campaign fund. It is the game they play.....to get your vote. Look at the results of the mandates. Homeless everywhere.
according to this article in google Catalytic converters are a carbon dioxide machine. If you convert carbon all carbon monoxide into carbon dioxide. (which is better for the short term) you are making more carbon dioxide. because the carbon monoxide is being replaced. This is why it goes perfectly in the time line of why there became a huge movement to climate change. No worries in the 40s 50s or 60s with climate change just smog. CO...not Co2
here is another article. they create more carbon dioxide. Catalytic converters can contribute to global warming in another way, too. They reduce the efficiency of motor vehicle engines, causing increased fuel consumption and hence greater emissions of carbon dioxide. ... Catalysts were introduced to reduce a range of pollutants that contribute to acid rain and urban ozone smo
THE BURNING of petrol in car engines always produces carbon dioxide (carbon dioxide), along with a small amount (1-4 per cent) of carbon monoxide (CO). The CO which escapes from your car exhaust will eventually oxidise to carbon dioxide in the atmosphere anyway; a catalyst simply speeds up the process in order to reduce the local health effects of CO. So overall there should be no net effect on carbon dioxide emissions except that the use of catalysts is incompatible with certain engine types, such as the 'lean-burn' design, which offer greater fuel efficiency (and thus lower carbon dioxide emissions) but are unable to meet emission limits for other pollutants. The only effective way to alleviate greenhouse guilt syndrome is to use less petrol. Buy a more fuel-efficient car or, better still, a bicycle. Tim
8 years ago I restored and electrified a little Triumph Spitfire and had Maaco paint it at a cost of $2500. It was already torn down to sheet metal, the body was straight and needed little work, and it was a standard single stage color. They did minimal prep work and didn't bother to degrease and finish the underside of the hood. That was 8 years ago and $2500. Recently I bought a VW bus to restore and this time I decided to learn to do my own body and paint work. I can't imagine what the cost would be today with twice size of the car. Hence why I binge Mike's Fn videos :-)
yea I see these guys on youtube that took their daily driver car to Maaco and they look really good. I know better. Many years ago I took one there when the city shut me down. (too much side work) and they made all the excuses how my prep caused the problems. All sanded and everything. all they had to do is solvent wash it and spray it.
This is all so true. I worked in a muffler shop in the 70’s and a lot of people expected everything to be perfect and not cost anything. Drive me crazy and now that is one of the reasons I will not work on other people’s cars. They think a paint job or engine rebuild is easy but they have never done it and will not try.
Absolutely right on all the points of a paint job! My brother did a job for a friend of his and ended up not being friends no more. It happens! It's a lot of body work, prep, and time. The most expensive part is the time and effort put into making these vehicles look Bad A..!
A lifetime ago, my Dad took his VW in to Earl Scheib's over on Newport Blvd in Costa Mesa and got his bug painted for $29.95. And he was happy. Earl's big smiling face spinning around on a sign.
14 years ago I bought a gallon of base coat, a gallon of clear, reducer, and hardener. It cost me $800 just for the paint materials. All the other materials, sandpaper, other items, ran the price for materials higher. Lots of bodywork and paint later I could understand why paint jobs cost so much.
yes sir, I concur I have never painted a car, but one thing I know it's a hell of a lot of work. Last year I fixed up a 1966 bug and got I back on the road. I put front fenders on it an removed all the glass, trim and rubber, bumpers, pretty much stripped the whole car. And had someone do the body and prep. work he worked on the car for a week and a half, than towed the car to a near-by Maaco paint to finish the job. all total I spent about $4500 to $ 5000. on the paint. Than worked on the car for almost 2 months to put it back together. the paint job is far from perfect but I am very happy with the end results. I think it turned out sharp. WHAT ALOT OF WORK, but so glad I took it on, learned so much. Yes I was surprised how much it cost to refinish the paint. But everyone that worked on that paint job has bills to pay and needs to make a living. and I saw the amount of work it took for the paint job. I am telling you, no one got rich. This day and age you can"t expect anyone to work for free. Over all knowing what I now know I got a very fair deal on the paint job thanks
This video is okay for explaining the cost of paint jobs but the best explanation has been watching how many hours of effort you put into painting the KG for a “crappy” job. Excellent series!
HaHa, I painted my 63 falcon station wagon in 1977 for 50$ !! A friend of mine helped me and we painted it in his front yard 🤣🤣 , it wasn't perfect but I didn't care, it looked good to me !!
Did a few 64 Caddilacs...blocking and blocking endlessly...doing all black of course. Using acrylic enamal. Endless body work. Get it all worked out..roll into a booth and paint for coverage. This reveals the next bunch of ripples..more blocking and spot painting. Finally, roll it into the booth and paint for gloss. Dry time, wet sanding, buffing and polishing..very satisfying at the end.Roll the car outside and you're looking at a mirror, your own reflection, the blue sky, and all the world..around $1500.00 split between 2 guys. Truly a labor of love..cars sold at auction to overseas collectors. This was around 1986 or so.
To be fair I think the real problem is the seller/buyer hostility. Both sides have great points. Both sides need to acknowledge the points the other sides are making. Agreeing with the other side’s points is not an admission that your points are wrong. I agree, people don’t realize just how much paint and equipment costs, as well as the fact that you are literally paying some skilled laborer’s salary for multiple days of work and the job is a lot harder and more time consuming than they think. HOWEVER, that doesn’t change the fact that if someone just wants to make their car orange or pink or something, paying 5-10 grand is WAY too expensive to really be a justifiable expense. I think we can all agree that if someone wants to change the color of their car, it should not cost 1/4 of what you paid for the car. Even if you have the means, there is just no way you can look at that price tag and think that it isn’t a bit over priced. All that means though is that the industry needs some changes to the business model. Companies, manufacturers, or entrepreneurs have a wide open area of market share to expand into if they can figure out how to change the color of a car for 2-300$. Does this mean car painters aren’t worth the price? No, of course they are. But the price itself is the issue, not the person charging it.
as a car painter you should be specific on what they are getting and NOT getting. But some people no matter how much you tell them they just want more.
almost better off in most cases if you want to change the color of the car to trad it in and buy the color you want. There is no way to do it faster or cheaper unless it is before it is assembled.
@@Mikefngarage Yeah I totally get that, as a Chef I completely understand that some customers will never be happy unless you tell them they can have exactly what they want for as little money as possible. However that doesn’t change the fact that there is a clear problem apparent to everyone in the painting business. *Everyone wants a custom color, but it costs too much* To claim that solving this problem is impossible is a defeatist mentality. People didn’t know a lot of things were possible until they tried to do it for the sake of profit. I’m sure it won’t be the solution we already think of (some miraculous cheap paint that’s also easy to apply, easy to remove, long lasting and weather proof) but it _could_ be a simpler solution. Things like maybe a cheap paint that lasts even shorter than a wrap, but can be applied for 200$ and thus people could simply get another paint job whenever it wears out. Idk I’m not an inventor and far from an engineer but I just think there _will be_ a solution in the future. However I do agree with you that as of right now, if you want a good paint job you have to fork up the cash.
Hi Mike, Whatever the cost is to do a paint job well I know. For people who want to do so is the question of how much do you value your Classic or Oldtimer. then the money isn't a problem. But if you do the paint job your self then go in for the full 100% or leave it,Greetings from HCS,I started painting my VW T3 beneath and go further next week. ☮🙏🍀🇳🇴Cheers Guys,
Paid my school fees on cheap and expensive paint work. Last place too repaint my car made so many mistakes paint started cracking peeling blistering etc and paid alot of money and gotten a cheap job for alot of money
good advice....School fees. I hear from guys all the time....My painter ripped me off.....How much did you pay.....3500.....Well sorry man but for what you want looking at 10 to 15g.....WTF!!!! really!!!!. it take a lot of time to do that. Time+ Materials +experience= MONEY.....
I work at a "high end shop" and people shit when we give them a quote for 10k for a full paint job. The labor alone to take out all glass, take off doors, hood, prepping the vehicle, etc, etc adds up quick. We do paint work just like the factory though, provide a quality job, and give the customer a warranty on our work for as long as they own the vehicle - our customers receive no runs, perfect color match, perfect texture, etc. It's funny though to hear people call us "rip offs" due to how much it costs but will gladly pay a fraction of that and end up not happy because the paint peeled off, paint runs on panels, orange peel all over, and just overall a crappy job. Just depends what people want - you pay for what you get.
sounds reasonable to me. Some shops are at 15 now. it is a lot of work. to get a great finish. Then when you ad a classic car that needs sheet metal replaced and or lots of dents. Many old coats of paint that need to be stripped off. Paint at over 1000 for base clear and primer and sealer. Plus shop rent of near or over a month sitting in the space.
Perfection is a neurosis that people that have $ deal with. And we all suffer because of it. We deal with it in the service industry also. Lots of mentally ill people out there,in the car scene.
I realy liked the Lacquer paints of the 70s. Was a lot of work putting 7 or 8 coats of base then ssme with clear but made a full blown professional finish for a garage painter. My buggy that i just finished was $600nz of product to paint with modern lacquer (undercoat sandpaper degreaser the lot).
Exactly the reason I painted my bug myself. I always think this way... How will you feel getting a scratch or ding in it after a 5000$ paint job. You'll be putting on you clowns mask really fast. I can just repaint the fender for 50$ and get on with life. They on the other hand would be devastated in the same situation. If you actually want to use your car a perfect paint job just is not worth it.
My old Mazda would look a lot better with a $29.95 paint job. I don't care about the small dents. Anything would make it look better than it does now. Unfortunately those days are gone.
Great point on the most as ked questions ever. Why so much$? Ps. I think the gea came out very nice. Love the custom color. I'm a blue kinda person. Yeah buddy. Getting over covid here. Not sure where I'll land next. Never know. God bless 🙏
You are exactly right.... A gallon of European Clearcoat and hardener cost $300.00. I use to think that a high quality spray gun was a wallet buster. It is nothing compared to paint...
In the lates 80’s I’d do the main bodywork, but the paint, and bring my VWs to econo. They’d charge $$200-$300 to paint them and it was a decent job. My 63 bug was painted with enamel in 1997 and still looks great!
I believe that the only comparizon that can be made is the number of hours worked at the minumum salary to be able to buy a paint job. When I was young, with 1 hour worked at the minimum salary I was able to buy 4 gallons of gas, today, somebody that is working to the minimum salary can buy just a little less than 2 galloms of gas. For sure that the quality attempts have a great impact on the cost of a job in terms of tooling, material and work involved. a very good video.
Not sure where you are located, but here in Richmond, Va an hourly collision painter makes a minimum of 60k per year and a commission painter can probably double that. In northern Va they make 100k plus and they just spray the car. The shops that charge 10k and up to spray a car are laughing all the way to the bank.
"I'm Earl Scheib, and I'll paint any car, any color for $99.95" I miss my 82 Caddy. Had a Magnusonn supercharger in it, short throw peloquin LSD diff, brand new Corrado bucket seats. Shouldn't have sold it.
Yeah. I remember those days. "" We will paint any car any color for $99.95!" Earl Schwibe! A few friends send their cars to be painted. And it was painted.... Including the chrome, the handles, windows had over spray and the paint itself was no better than fingernail polish. This was NYC NY in the 1980s.
Ha, good video! Love the reality check! Try and find a body shop that will do your car. I called around yesterday for painting my Karmann Ghia. Not going to happen around here. I guess I’ll try and do it myself but I want that perfect paint job for little money!
Best way is DIY. or sometimes you can find a guy who has a bootleg shop in his garage that will work cheap. The other ones have RENT that after they get done paying that no money.
95% of a great paint job in the prep, a lot of work involved, a lot, painting is easy compared bodywork and prep, use to do a few little jobs for people in my home shop, people did whine, paint is expensive, labor is expensive, wasn't worth it
So there were no metallic paint jobs in the 50's? That's weird, considered I have a Glacier blue 58 beetle, a Polar silver 56 beetle and a Ultramaroon 54 beetle...
yea they had metallic paint and it was totally primitive. no clear. It was usually lacquer and it didnt last long. If you notice any beetle painted a metallic color and left outside for any period of time was completely gone.
Mike what is the difference between single stage and other paint/ base coat. Is it that single stage doesn’t really need a clear coat and base paint does? Thanks for your answer in advance.
Thanks mike ! I can rember when we had SMOG Alirts ! Man my eyes would burn for days ! My lungs also ! You couldnt see the mountains . Also We bought are first house for $11,000 ! All so If you where making $100 a week ! That was BIG MONEY you where on top . I dont know how we got here why we Whine about so much ! Back in the day If i whine about something i was told suck it and get going ! When we where faced with a problem we just suck it and Figured out a better way ! That was the USA ! But now we just whine if we dont like it !!!!!!!! Thanks Mike stay true to what you are !
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CATALYTIC CONVRTER FACT.....FROM WIKI......An engine equipped with a three-way catalyst must run at the stoichiometric point, which means more fuel is consumed than in a lean-burn engine. This means approximately 10% more CO2 emissions from the vehicle. CO2 is the primary reason for climate change. Im not saying we didnt have a problem with CO emissions which are poison but nobody figured the long term of all the cars putting out 10% more CO2. Solve 1 problem create another.
My biggest question is why are we not putting more plants in houses during the winter. Why is the Government not asking us to do this? Would it make a difference? Because they cant tax it. or make money on it that is why......Just my opinion. and yes catalytic converters are a major cause of climate change. Look at the time line. When I was a kid we did have a MAJOR issue with carbon monoxide in southern CA. there were 3 and 4 stage smog alerts every day in the summer. But there was NO talk about climate change. After the 80s there was less and less smog alerts. But in the 90s the Al Gore movie came out.....The concern about climate change REPLACED. the concern about Smog alerts.....Think about it.
And Al Gore lied. Historically, the CO2 level raised 800 years AFTER global warming. So he lied saying co2 was the driving factor of global warming. Listen now that we caught the lie, they rebranded global warming to climate change.
All that... if you believe "climate change" is even a bad thing. I want the climate to change. Maybe the dinosaurs will come back if we make it warm enough & eat all the bad people. edit I mean if we make it warm enough the dinosaurs will eat the bad people... I'll see myself out.
@@Salmon_Rush_Die higher global temperature have been associated with higher properity before. See the medieval global high for more info. We have to be careful, of course, but money doesnt solve the issue with that big bright ball in the sky. Money wont stop the milanchovitch cylces either. And it's always the little guys getting hit. Recycle this recycle that while I cant get a fucking part to repair my 4yo washing machine !
@@Salmon_Rush_Die IMO gonna happen and nothing and or any dollar amount will stop it.
@@Veikra yes Gore did lie....lots of places in that movie. But Scientists are all crying about CO2 being the biggest cause. IDK really how anyone can fix it. People still breathe. animals still breathe. People cut down rain forests. and have not enough plant life. Lots of theories. IDK any clear solution. The earth usually fixes itself IMO.
Great explanation of why refinishing an old car is so expensive. Once in a while I will paint a car for someone. Been a while though - cost of materials is higher than most thought the whole job should be 😄
The catalytic converter completes the fuel burn ....eliminating hydrocarbons and nitrogen compounds. It does also converts co to co2 but co is also a greenhouse gas and is a contributor to ozone. The catalytic converter has had a tremendous positive effect on air pollution. It does not remove greenhouse gases from car exhaust nor does it add to them..
Your catalytic converter is named as such because it converts toxins into less harmful byproducts, such as water vapor and carbon dioxide. Without this component, your vehicle will no longer be filtering and reducing harmful emissions, including hydrocarbons, nitrogen oxides, and carbon monoxide. this is from google.
The less harmful product of a catalytic converter is Carbon dioxide. Primary cause of climate. change. This is why Al Gore in the late 90s made the movie. We had no issues with climate change before that but we did have some major issues with carbon monoxide. Believe me I know what it is like to wake up to stage 3 and 4 smog alerts every day. The democratic government of California put a Band-Aid on this knowing it would be a issue later on. Not bothering to diversify energy or come up with a better solution. Just mandated it and deal with it later. Just like every "solution" they have also has an adverse effect. Mandate lower paint emissions, paint does not last as long and needs to be done more often "more net emissions" . Mandate solar panels, Solar panel companies raise the price because it is required on all new homes. Mandate fire sprinklers and now fire sprinkler companies can charge more to put the money into the person who mandated its campaign fund. It is the game they play.....to get your vote. Look at the results of the mandates. Homeless everywhere.
according to this article in google Catalytic converters are a carbon dioxide machine. If you convert carbon all carbon monoxide into carbon dioxide. (which is better for the short term) you are making more carbon dioxide. because the carbon monoxide is being replaced. This is why it goes perfectly in the time line of why there became a huge movement to climate change. No worries in the 40s 50s or 60s with climate change just smog. CO...not Co2
here is another article. they create more carbon dioxide. Catalytic converters can contribute to global warming in another way, too. They reduce the efficiency of motor vehicle engines, causing increased fuel consumption and hence greater emissions of carbon dioxide. ... Catalysts were introduced to reduce a range of pollutants that contribute to acid rain and urban ozone smo
THE BURNING of petrol in car engines always produces carbon dioxide (carbon dioxide), along with a small amount (1-4 per cent) of carbon monoxide (CO). The CO which escapes from your car exhaust will eventually oxidise to carbon dioxide in the atmosphere anyway; a catalyst simply speeds up the process in order to reduce the local health effects of CO. So overall there should be no net effect on carbon dioxide emissions except that the use of catalysts is incompatible with certain engine types, such as the 'lean-burn' design, which offer greater fuel efficiency (and thus lower carbon dioxide emissions) but are unable to meet emission limits for other pollutants. The only effective way to alleviate greenhouse guilt syndrome is to use less petrol. Buy a more fuel-efficient car or, better still, a bicycle.
Tim
@@Mikefngarage agreed, just look at what they did to diesels - choked them down and loss of mpg. Takes more fuel to do the same work....
8 years ago I restored and electrified a little Triumph Spitfire and had Maaco paint it at a cost of $2500. It was already torn down to sheet metal, the body was straight and needed little work, and it was a standard single stage color. They did minimal prep work and didn't bother to degrease and finish the underside of the hood. That was 8 years ago and $2500. Recently I bought a VW bus to restore and this time I decided to learn to do my own body and paint work. I can't imagine what the cost would be today with twice size of the car. Hence why I binge Mike's Fn videos :-)
yea I see these guys on youtube that took their daily driver car to Maaco and they look really good. I know better. Many years ago I took one there when the city shut me down. (too much side work) and they made all the excuses how my prep caused the problems. All sanded and everything. all they had to do is solvent wash it and spray it.
Thanks Mike for explaining all of this to us in a respectful way and not look like an arrogant jerk, like some other car paint RUclipsrs.
This is all so true. I worked in a muffler shop in the 70’s and a lot of people expected everything to be perfect and not cost anything. Drive me crazy and now that is one of the reasons I will not work on other people’s cars. They think a paint job or engine rebuild is easy but they have never done it and will not try.
Absolutely right on all the points of a paint job! My brother did a job for a friend of his and ended up not being friends no more. It happens! It's a lot of body work, prep, and time. The most expensive part is the time and effort put into making these vehicles look Bad A..!
A lifetime ago, my Dad took his VW in to Earl Scheib's over on Newport Blvd in Costa Mesa and got his bug painted for $29.95. And he was happy. Earl's big smiling face spinning around on a sign.
14 years ago I bought a gallon of base coat, a gallon of clear, reducer, and hardener. It cost me $800 just for the paint materials. All the other materials, sandpaper, other items, ran the price for materials higher. Lots of bodywork and paint later I could understand why paint jobs cost so much.
Great explanation and whole series!
yes sir, I concur I have never painted a car, but one thing I know it's a hell of a lot of work. Last year I fixed up a 1966 bug and got I back on the road. I put front fenders on it an removed all the glass, trim and rubber, bumpers, pretty much stripped the whole car. And had someone do the body and prep. work he worked on the car for a week and a half, than towed the car to a near-by Maaco paint to finish the job. all total I spent about $4500 to $ 5000. on the paint. Than worked on the car for almost 2 months to put it back together. the paint job is far from perfect but I am very happy with the end results. I think it turned out sharp. WHAT ALOT OF WORK, but so glad I took it on, learned so much. Yes I was surprised how much it cost to refinish the paint. But everyone that worked on that paint job has bills to pay and needs to make a living. and I saw the amount of work it took for the paint job. I am telling you, no one got rich. This day and age you can"t expect anyone to work for free. Over all knowing what I now know I got a very fair deal on the paint job thanks
This video is okay for explaining the cost of paint jobs but the best explanation has been watching how many hours of effort you put into painting the KG for a “crappy” job. Excellent series!
not that crappy but some people who are causing the problems out there might think it is.
HaHa, I painted my 63 falcon station wagon in 1977 for 50$ !! A friend of mine helped me and we painted it in his front yard 🤣🤣 , it wasn't perfect but I didn't care, it looked good to me !!
Very cool!
Did a few 64 Caddilacs...blocking and blocking endlessly...doing all black of course. Using acrylic enamal. Endless body work. Get it all worked out..roll into a booth and paint for coverage. This reveals the next bunch of ripples..more blocking and spot painting. Finally, roll it into the booth and paint for gloss. Dry time, wet sanding, buffing and polishing..very satisfying at the end.Roll the car outside and you're looking at a mirror, your own reflection, the blue sky, and all the world..around $1500.00 split between 2 guys. Truly a labor of love..cars sold at auction to overseas collectors. This was around 1986 or so.
My Grandpa used to say, "You pay your money and take your chances ".
Great video Mike.... every word Spot on!!
To be fair I think the real problem is the seller/buyer hostility. Both sides have great points. Both sides need to acknowledge the points the other sides are making. Agreeing with the other side’s points is not an admission that your points are wrong. I agree, people don’t realize just how much paint and equipment costs, as well as the fact that you are literally paying some skilled laborer’s salary for multiple days of work and the job is a lot harder and more time consuming than they think. HOWEVER, that doesn’t change the fact that if someone just wants to make their car orange or pink or something, paying 5-10 grand is WAY too expensive to really be a justifiable expense. I think we can all agree that if someone wants to change the color of their car, it should not cost 1/4 of what you paid for the car. Even if you have the means, there is just no way you can look at that price tag and think that it isn’t a bit over priced.
All that means though is that the industry needs some changes to the business model. Companies, manufacturers, or entrepreneurs have a wide open area of market share to expand into if they can figure out how to change the color of a car for 2-300$.
Does this mean car painters aren’t worth the price? No, of course they are. But the price itself is the issue, not the person charging it.
as a car painter you should be specific on what they are getting and NOT getting. But some people no matter how much you tell them they just want more.
almost better off in most cases if you want to change the color of the car to trad it in and buy the color you want. There is no way to do it faster or cheaper unless it is before it is assembled.
@@Mikefngarage Yeah I totally get that, as a Chef I completely understand that some customers will never be happy unless you tell them they can have exactly what they want for as little money as possible.
However that doesn’t change the fact that there is a clear problem apparent to everyone in the painting business.
*Everyone wants a custom color, but it costs too much*
To claim that solving this problem is impossible is a defeatist mentality. People didn’t know a lot of things were possible until they tried to do it for the sake of profit.
I’m sure it won’t be the solution we already think of (some miraculous cheap paint that’s also easy to apply, easy to remove, long lasting and weather proof) but it _could_ be a simpler solution. Things like maybe a cheap paint that lasts even shorter than a wrap, but can be applied for 200$ and thus people could simply get another paint job whenever it wears out.
Idk I’m not an inventor and far from an engineer but I just think there _will be_ a solution in the future. However I do agree with you that as of right now, if you want a good paint job you have to fork up the cash.
Hi Mike, Whatever the cost is to do a paint job well I know. For people who want to do so is the question of how much do you value your Classic or Oldtimer. then the money isn't a problem. But if you do the paint job your self then go in for the full 100% or leave it,Greetings from HCS,I started painting my VW T3 beneath and go further next week. ☮🙏🍀🇳🇴Cheers Guys,
Paid my school fees on cheap and expensive paint work. Last place too repaint my car made so many mistakes paint started cracking peeling blistering etc and paid alot of money and gotten a cheap job for alot of money
good advice....School fees. I hear from guys all the time....My painter ripped me off.....How much did you pay.....3500.....Well sorry man but for what you want looking at 10 to 15g.....WTF!!!! really!!!!. it take a lot of time to do that. Time+ Materials +experience= MONEY.....
No surprise, - people wants everything for less, - except when they are the sellers...
I work at a "high end shop" and people shit when we give them a quote for 10k for a full paint job. The labor alone to take out all glass, take off doors, hood, prepping the vehicle, etc, etc adds up quick. We do paint work just like the factory though, provide a quality job, and give the customer a warranty on our work for as long as they own the vehicle - our customers receive no runs, perfect color match, perfect texture, etc. It's funny though to hear people call us "rip offs" due to how much it costs but will gladly pay a fraction of that and end up not happy because the paint peeled off, paint runs on panels, orange peel all over, and just overall a crappy job. Just depends what people want - you pay for what you get.
sounds reasonable to me. Some shops are at 15 now. it is a lot of work. to get a great finish. Then when you ad a classic car that needs sheet metal replaced and or lots of dents. Many old coats of paint that need to be stripped off. Paint at over 1000 for base clear and primer and sealer. Plus shop rent of near or over a month sitting in the space.
Spot on Mike!
That makes so much sense!!
Perfection is a neurosis that people that have $ deal with. And we all suffer because of it. We deal with it in the service industry also. Lots of mentally ill people out there,in the car scene.
I realy liked the Lacquer paints of the 70s. Was a lot of work putting 7 or 8 coats of base then ssme with clear but made a full blown professional finish for a garage painter.
My buggy that i just finished was $600nz of product to paint with modern lacquer (undercoat sandpaper degreaser the lot).
Yea I painted a lot of cars with lacquer. lots of coats, lots of sanding. then buff it to a beautiful luster.
Exactly the reason I painted my bug myself. I always think this way... How will you feel getting a scratch or ding in it after a 5000$ paint job. You'll be putting on you clowns mask really fast. I can just repaint the fender for 50$ and get on with life. They on the other hand would be devastated in the same situation. If you actually want to use your car a perfect paint job just is not worth it.
My old Mazda would look a lot better with a $29.95 paint job. I don't care about the small dents. Anything would make it look better than it does now. Unfortunately those days are gone.
Great point on the most as ked questions ever. Why so much$?
Ps. I think the gea came out very nice. Love the custom color. I'm a blue kinda person. Yeah buddy. Getting over covid here. Not sure where I'll land next. Never know. God bless 🙏
You are exactly right.... A gallon of European Clearcoat and hardener cost $300.00. I use to think that a high quality spray gun was a wallet buster. It is nothing compared to paint...
there is paint in 49 states then California paint that doesnt even last as long and cost 30% more.
In the lates 80’s I’d do the main bodywork, but the paint, and bring my VWs to econo. They’d charge $$200-$300 to paint them and it was a decent job. My 63 bug was painted with enamel in 1997 and still looks great!
Keep it inside and it will last many years.
I believe that the only comparizon that can be made is the number of hours worked at the minumum salary to be able to buy a paint job. When I was young, with 1 hour worked at the minimum salary I was able to buy 4 gallons of gas, today, somebody that is working to the minimum salary can buy just a little less than 2 galloms of gas.
For sure that the quality attempts have a great impact on the cost of a job in terms of tooling, material and work involved.
a very good video.
Not sure where you are located, but here in Richmond, Va an hourly collision painter makes a minimum of 60k per year and a commission painter can probably double that. In northern Va they make 100k plus and they just spray the car. The shops that charge 10k and up to spray a car are laughing all the way to the bank.
"I'm Earl Scheib, and I'll paint any car, any color for $99.95" I miss my 82 Caddy. Had a Magnusonn supercharger in it, short throw peloquin LSD diff, brand new Corrado bucket seats. Shouldn't have sold it.
Yeah. I remember those days. "" We will paint any car any color for $99.95!" Earl Schwibe!
A few friends send their cars to be painted. And it was painted.... Including the chrome, the handles, windows had over spray and the paint itself was no better than fingernail polish. This was NYC NY in the 1980s.
All they gave me to mask was todays newspaper and a 3/4 inch roll of tape whatever you could the rest just got painted
I remember the Earl Scheib and the Maco paint jobs. I never went there my Dad taught me you get what you pay for. lol
It was really bad
Another great video----you'da man, Mike! 😊
I lost a good job painting coke machines thanks to environmental regulations. this was in 1986
Another great video Mike 👍
Ha, good video! Love the reality check! Try and find a body shop that will do your car. I called around yesterday for painting my Karmann Ghia. Not going to happen around here. I guess I’ll try and do it myself but I want that perfect paint job for little money!
Best way is DIY. or sometimes you can find a guy who has a bootleg shop in his garage that will work cheap. The other ones have RENT that after they get done paying that no money.
txs for sharing...
95% of a great paint job in the prep, a lot of work involved, a lot, painting is easy compared bodywork and prep, use to do a few little jobs for people in my home shop, people did whine, paint is expensive, labor is expensive, wasn't worth it
So there were no metallic paint jobs in the 50's? That's weird, considered I have a Glacier blue 58 beetle, a Polar silver 56 beetle and a Ultramaroon 54 beetle...
yea they had metallic paint and it was totally primitive. no clear. It was usually lacquer and it didnt last long. If you notice any beetle painted a metallic color and left outside for any period of time was completely gone.
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Mike what is the difference between single stage and other paint/ base coat. Is it that single stage doesn’t really need a clear coat and base paint does? Thanks for your answer in advance.
yea single stage is designed not to have clear on it. Although some will take clear. it is designed as a finish coat.
i like this job man ;-)
Thanks mike ! I can rember when we had SMOG Alirts ! Man my eyes would burn for days ! My lungs also ! You couldnt see the mountains . Also We bought are first house for $11,000 ! All so If you where making $100 a week ! That was BIG MONEY you where on top . I dont know how we got here why we Whine about so much ! Back in the day If i whine about something i was told suck it and get going ! When we where faced with a problem we just suck it and Figured out a better way ! That was the USA ! But now we just whine if we dont like it !!!!!!!! Thanks Mike stay true to what you are !
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This is the “Earl Scheib” of RUclips videos
Here in the UK I'm expecting to pay 5 or £6000 for a paint job on my 63 Beetle Cabriolet.
The day the world turnt gay.
So you’re also a climate scientist? Fucking amazing.