Victoria's Forgotten Railways EP20 Healesville line
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- The Healesville line was a very scenic rail line, just out side Melbourne towards the east, today is survives partially as the Yarra Valley Tourist Railway.
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Here is an update on Tarrawarra bigbuild.vic.gov.au/news/level-crossing-removal-project/students-go-back-to-the-future-to-recreate-history
When I was 5 in 1963, we would travel to Healesville by train. My great aunt's dairy farm on was at the end of Donovans Road Healesville, which runs parallel to the train line. I remember travelling down to the front gate with the milk that would be picked up later to go to the milk processor. The steam train was still running then, and it would blow its whistle at anyone who waved.
I believe that that particular farm was owned by Peter Labor (Eureka Stockade fame) at some time. I use to live nearby and loved the history of the area
Good work, l have traveled on the changa banga rail car from Lilydale to Healesville in the late 70’s . The line is built on embankment around Yarra Glen due to its a flood plane.
Only what I would 'like' to happen is, extend the Lillydale line to Yarra Glen, then the Historic railcars into Healsville every weekend, but buses Monday to Friday. I always enjoy your videos.
why not all the way to healesville?
Agreed.
I remember catching this train in the mid sixties, diesel loco hauled, seemed a million miles from the city. Always seems folly to abandon railway structure.... it's been paid for years ago, keep it even if mothballed till demand picks up. The chair of Virgin Rail in Britain was asked about the abandoning of large parts of the UK rail network in the sixties. He said the big mistake was selling off the trackbed, he argued that you always reinstate the track but once you broke up the hundreds of miles of graded, drained, bridged and tunneled routes between various cities and towns you can't go back.
Yes...The late Mark Plummer, a lawyer and active member mover and shaker with the Victorian division of the Light Railway Research Society convinced the Kennett Government not to sell disused railway easements and demonstrated how they help rural town's economy. Particularly when Victoria was broke in the early 1990's. I spoke with him and as you stated. The land remains in public hands and if needed can be returned to rail.
The embankments near Yarra Glen replaced much of the original timber viaduct to reduce maintenance costs. The gaps in the embankment are to allow flood waters to pass as this area is prone to flooding which is why the very long bridge was built.
Looking forward to a Warburton line video
J541 was purchased from the VR by one bloke, not a consortium - intended to operate on the VGR. That bloke was my old man. He sold it to a YVR member (Dave) and that's how 541 started it's connection with the railway. He then sold it to another individual in 2003 who moved it to Menzies Creek for overhaul and in turn, return to service at VGR.
@@andyball7270 Whoops, Some of the information on J541 was gathered from the Wikipedia article, which said it was a private syndicate. In hindsight probably should have cross referenced more with the other sources I used.
100% correct.
The "Spirit of healesville" rumbled through platform 3 at Burnley around 1983 and I haven't since it since. Electric suburban trains must be extended to Yarra Glen as a priority.
The line was also built on embankments (especially around Yarra glen) due to being built on large flood plains
Great production. Well researched ,informative and interesting. 🚂🚂🚂
Lilydale station had a pub because of this, it continued to open on Friday afternoons until the new station was built.
Another excellent video, they are getting better with every episode.
Do one about the Cudgewa line in Nth East Vic. Beautiful country it went through, one incredible bridge across a canyon. I'm in mid 50s and remember mum being friends with the station masters family in mid 70s.
I went on tbis restored vintage trains quite a few years ago. One of the best train rides.
It's called YVR which is not to be confused with YVR the international airport code for Vancouver International Airport
Awesome video 👏 the YVR are running Halloween Ghost train tours this Friday and Saturday night on RM 22 bookings via the Yarra Valley Railway website as a volunteer I can vouch it's a great ride!!👻😅
very well done mate
One of my favourite things about the YVR is that for years I thought RT53 was scrapped only to find out they've got it in operational condition.
Ah, Boris the RT. Not a bad little thing. Was part of the 'modification' process.......
Once upon a time, sensible infrastructure building meant planning rail and town planning together. Rail corridors need to be planned before other infrastructure is build - so people don't get their house or business demolished.
Some people would think of living in a rural village if it was connected by rail to Melbourne etc. People though from along the newly re-established Bairnsdale line services - left the areas because of all the coal dust infiltrating everything.
So, I wonder whether more people are settling along the Bairnsdale Line, or is the coal dust putting them off?
tysm mate i've waited for this video so long im subscribing to u fr >:3 i live in mooroolbark and have once saw the healesville line when i was riding the number 685 to healesville sanctuary :3
I've always had a fascination with J 516 since stumbling across it in 2015, i don't expect to ever see it fully assembled and restored to working order any time soon if at all, but It inspired me to design a gauge 1 scale model of a J class with 516's number, still in the cad stage but im happy with it's progress and i look forward to building it physically
Was in a park in Greensborough for years, when we were kids in the 70's we could climb all over it.
6:28 is Wangaratta Station.Interesting video for those who don't know much about it. Thanks for sharing.
@@RichardFelstead1949 I'm aware that is it at Wangaratta, I just couldn't find any photos of T401 actually derailled.
I think it was a slip of the tongue.... it's Menzies Creek in the Dandenongs (ie. former Emerald/Gembrook line / Puffing Billy), the long serving bus company in the Yarra Valley is McKenzie's - they operate the Route 684 formerly Spencer Street to Eildon via Healesville, Marysville and Alexandra, since curtailed to Ringwood - Eildon via Healesville, Marysville and Alexandra.
As for the Healesville station, it seems similar in design to Alexandra, down to the forestry infrastructure. There were very vague plans at one stage to extend the line from Healesville to Marysville and even Alexandra.
@@PiersDJackson Yeah, Slip of the tongue for Menzies Creek and 685 bus route, Sorry about that 😅
@@PiersDJackson As for it being similar to Alexandra, alot of stations are similar to Alexandra as they are Gisborne type stations. Although I don't think Healesville is
@@VictorianTransportHistory the McKenzie's routes are both 684 and 685 - which is their former Healesville - Chirniside Park via Lilydale, now terminating Lilydale via Healesville Sanctuary... they also operated former routes 686 and 687 - Healesville loop via Badger Creek & Healesville Sanctuary, and Healesville loop via Chum Creek & Mount Lebanon, respectively.
The YVR doesn't own the line. It's still owned by the government/Victrack. The YVR has an order in council to operate over the Victrack infrastructure. Even a bit of the rollingstock is still owned by Victrack, just allocated to the YVR for care and usage.
"When the houses get there" excuse me! There are thousands of people living out near Tarneit and Rockbank with no access to a station at all. They were told there "might be" a station in the future and they built anyway.
There’s a station at Rockbank and always has been?
In a time when anywhere with at all decent access to jobs is needed for houses due to the housing crisis, resumption of revenue services to Yarra Glen or Healesville would necessarily mean the urbanisation of the Yarra Valley to justify the investment. I think the loss of the Yarra Valley would out-way the positives of the train, so this is the rare case where I wouldn't support a rail service.
Dismantling rural railway lines is 'ableism'. It neglects people with disabilities, older people and others who can't or don't want to drive to visit regional towns.
It means, I missed out of many train trips in Australia or NZ, by around the 1980s. Brisbane Valley rail should have extended the last 20 or so kilometres to join the Woodford line. When the excuse of fewer passengers comes up - alternative thinking would work out how to get more passengers - often by advertising and adding more amenities to rail.
If rail has a coffee bar, toilets and electrical outlets and tables - it is more suitable for tourism. It's much better than bus/coach travel.
Oh! A really good thing about 'trestled' or raised railways - they're built to go through floods and the space underneath is good for cattle, farmers, or wildlife to cross rail safely.
Hi, this video just popped up and I am glad it did.
My in-laws lived in Healesville during the 1990's - 2000's and watching the video brought back memories of the sights I used to see as I drove to Healesville. Keep up the good work and I am looking forward to watching more of your videos.
Have you any plans or have you already done a history video of the rail line that I believe ran from Yea to Alexandra.
My parents lived in Eildon and I used to cross the rail line as I approached Alexandra.
If memory serves, although I may be wrong, it was shut down during the Jeff Kennett era with the line being torn up as the rail crossing disappeared.
I'll add Alexandra to the list, always love hearing fans story's about the rail lines I cover.
(Alexandra wasn't closed by Jeff Kennet btw it was closed in 1978)
@@VictorianTransportHistory thanks for that, at my age my memory has faded a bit.
I had been driving to Eildon through Alexandra since around 1975 until mid 2003
Might have been said by others but the embankments were required to do flooding
Could we run a melbourne to healesville metro or v/line? We could promote it as a better way to reach healesville sanctuary
This line will not reconnect to Yarra Glen for a number of reasons 1 the line is too long and would require constant maintenance 2 the trestles and there are a long of them have not been fully repaired since the bushfire reason the shear cost 3 now the famous tunnel the lines major attraction needs new rail and brick repair work again more cost The core members of the railway group are wonderful people the trouble is there's not enough of them to keep it going with all that needs to be done Without some kind of government grant it's hopeless
The track work started about 1983. They had a working bee and W class and GYs picking rotten sleepers and stock piling at Yarra Glen. The grass was so long in the yard. The rails were loose and the W derailed.Then a year or so later a work for the dole program renewed the timber decks between Yarra Glen and Coldstream but most of the timber piles were rotten?
The Heritage line or the rail trail?
wasn't all the bridges between Healesville and Yarra Glen all rebuilt over the last couple of years using concrete pillers and decking?
So, all lines need constant maintenance.
You're clearly an anti-railway person so why are you here?
@@VictorianTransportHistoryHeritage it was planned to go back to Lilydale.
Why would Metro be extended. Most of that land is either floodplain or green wedge. While some will be developed it isn’t going to be a sea of suburbia. Whittlesea and Mornington would be a more logical extension.
It is interesting if you look at 1980's Melways Melbourne Street directorie. All the current freeways were on those maps as 'proposed' or planned including one to Healesville.
@@rsinclair6560It’s even more interesting when you look at Melways Edition 1, 1966…
I've heard a conspiracy theory that the local bus company had friends in the government that had a hand in the line closing down to give the bus company the monopoly on public transport.
Doesn't sound far-fetched 😂
16:28 I believe it will get the old building from Mooroolbark
3:00 it is Black Saturday
Good video, but you need a pop shield on your mic. The breath noise is almost constant.
no way you skipped my station tarrawarra!
It's the 685 bus that serves Healesville
@@AbsintheBabe My apologies, I had 685 down on my script, not sure how I said 645
Is the J class sill uinder overhall? Not much seems to be happening to it
@@danielspoor5004 I think it's just going extraordinarily slowly
I assume it's all standard 4'8" gauge.
@@olsmokey No actually, the Healesville line is 5ft 3inch Broad gauge
11:32 did u mean the number 685 its okay if u got it mixed up with a different bus
I wrote 685 in my script, but for some reason I said 645. I have no idea how that happens....
Burgoyne is pronounced Bergoin
How far exactly is it between Healesville to Lilydale
18.11km in a straight line
24.6km via rail
11:33 its route 685
@@volgrencr221 whoops, I do have 685 written in my script. So I'm not actually sure how I missed that 😅
8:15 yes you did butcher that: it’s pronounced as Burr-Goin
Is there still line there
Heritage Railway, from Healesville to Tunnel Hill
www.yvr.org.au/
not forgotten ... just a victim of poor planning and policy
It pronounced “Kur-rum-bur-rah.” Where the hell dud you get your pronunciation?
healeville yarra glen needs a rail now as the population is growing ...coldstream to healesville hes one road at 80 klms speed limit...if lilydale to coldstream yarra gen healesville back to coldstream
Yes the whole intention on rail trails was to help rural town's economy but if needed and land remained in public hands could be returned to rail.
Why do you talk so fast?
Interesting videos but your location pronunciations are terrible.
@@ssttuuhhll How are the places pronounced then? I've lived in the area for years and that's how I'll always pronounced them
@@VictorianTransportHistory Burgoyne - pronounced as Burr goin (as in coin)
The turntable was taken from where? Sounded like a butchered Korumburra. This is pronounced as Kurrum burra.
Yering is pronounced Yeahring
ssttuuhhil, yes arent they. they are part of the fun.
Wheres your videos on the subject?
@@RDI_MEDIA , if your comment was meant for me, i couldnt do videos as good as this bloke so i wont try. and he puts a lot of effort into them. and in the past ive let him know he does a good job. and yes, i have also corrected his pronunciation.