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How about we find out Bruce Wayne is Joe Chill's son that Joe Chill & his Girlfriend are injured in the car wreck Thomas & Martha can't have kids & adopt Bruce as their son
To anyone thinking Bruce is Joe Chill's child... no. Chill's kid is explicitly said to be a girl. We meet her in present day in the same issue, her name is Scarlett Martha Scott. Bruce even clunkily says her full name so the reader will connect her to Joe Chill's girlfriend Evelyn Scott. We explicitly already know who Joe Chill's kid is.
@@jethrosketch no. Because Martha helped the mother and daughter disappear. The daughter and Bruce know each other, but Bruce doesn't know the rest of the story
nowhere near an exact copy. carmine was shot in the chest by Maroni 3 times and showed up on Thomas's doorstep begging for help because he couldn't go to the hospital since he's a known crime lord but Joe was in a normal accident with injuries that only Thomas could do since he was the one there and since he's the best surgeon in the world at the time. correct me if im wrong
I started reading Batman in the 60s, and since the 70s I've complained that the Joker is overused, too successful, and the story should continue, but with the Joker deceased, but his legacy living on. That said, I also hate how comics often seem to add more to a story. Batman's parents killed in an act of senseless, random, violence and crime; great. Making it Joe Chill; okay. Making the story part of a larger plot... "Joe Chill was set up..." "Joe Chill was hired to off the Waynes..." "Joe Chill set out to murder the Waynes because..." I think makes the story weaker. As always thank you so very much for the videos.
I couldn't agree more! All the additions and alterations to the mythology and story is just contrived and creates a lot of gaping plot holes and lapses in logic.
@@abdullahnafiu2442 I truly hate the multiverse stuff. Some of it is good. Flashpoint, Dark Nights Metal, but for the most part the multiverse stuff just feels like a contrived crutch for lazy writing.
EXACTLY. It takes away from the character. The people do not understand this clearly do not understand Batman. This really does undermine the ACTUAL lore. The entire idea was that tragedy could strike anyone at random out of the blue. THIS carnival of garbage implies that the Wayne murders were premeditated instead of random and unfortunate. Joe Chill used to be a more sympathetic character that didn't intend to shoot. It was a MISTAKE. Just like this decision. A BIG mistake. Batman FORGAVE Joe Chill. This just makes Joe Chill unforgivable and the backstory basic. Oh, he was hired to end the pair, how many times have I heard such an idea.
Batman. Does. Not. Kill. As soon as you have a Batman who kills, you don't have Batman. You have Punisher in a silly hat. Batman is a better character and a hero held aloft for that simple rule. If Batman would not be a canonical murderer, the hero that I've held most dearly my whole life would no longer grace my bookshelves.
I know folks complain about Batman not killing. Batman not ending the Joker. And the Joker being overused. But that's who Batman is: someone who can and will do anything to make sure no one dies. If Batman kills, he's officially no better than the rest of his Rogues. Something that I've agreed with my whole adult life. If Batman kills, he's no better than Red Hood. Or Ghost Maker. Or Harley. Or Thomas Wayne/Batman. Or the Grim Knight. If Batman kills, he deserves to lose everything and everyone.
Batman who kills just makes him generic. The extra challenge in not killing and exercise of self control is part of what makes him interested. The persistent moral debate that results is also part of the interest. Also results in recurring villains.
@bigheadrhino Precisely. A Batman who kills just makes him an edgy comic character from the 90's/00's. A Batman who kills just once would open the flood gates of everyone in the Bat Family to killing one person. Granted The overwhelming majority would just want the Joker to be dead. But the point stands.
I’ve said this a million times and I’ll say it again here. People want Batman to kill the joker but the thing is, he should not HAVE TO KILL JOKER. Batman literally and figuratively brings the joker to justice time after time and it’s JUSTICE that refuses to kill joker. You mean to tell me after everything this man has done, that there is not one cop in the GCPD that’s willing to end joker despite the law? Not a single guard or doctor at Arkham that is willing to go that distance? Joker lives because the justice system in Gotham allows him to.
i was agreeing with you until you said that a random cop/gaurd should kill him. he should get the death penalty and the fact that it hasn't been done is the perfect example of the justice system failing in Gotham.
This would be a very disappointing story. Regardless of Thomas Wayne's decision to help Joe Chill, it was Joe who chose to pull the trigger. If his father chose not to help Joe, he would be not just be braking his Hippocratic oath, but committing a crime - murder in the 1st by doing so. The joker has been proven insane and not responsible for his actions. If Batman killed him, that would also be murder. It would be pretty disappointing and disrespectful to the Batman mythos if this happened.
I’m torn, I’m not against changing something in Batman’s past but the idea of chill being so random is a fundamental core of Batman’s creation. If anything it would be just per chance that Thomas saves chill who in turns happens to gun them down later because he needs money to possibly find his daughter. But I do like that Tom Taylor is making the Wayne’s nice upstanding people again instead of being corrupt in some way like they have been the past few years
Not really, when the Bat 1st came out he killed people, hung a guy off the Bat copter or plane he used guns to for a bit but this was the late30's into the 40's
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This might be a copout, but I’m fully expecting this storyline to end with the result that Thomas saving Joe was a coincidence. That either chill, killed Bruce’s parents without any idea of his connection to them, or that THIS is an entirely different person from the guy who killed Thomas and Martha. Heck, maybe at the end of the storyline THIS Joe chill gets murdered by a random criminal who steals his identity. Like I said, that might be a copout. But it’s how I kind of prefer it to end.
How could he steal Joe Chill's identity when other stories have Chill locked up and fingerprinted? In jail they'd use his real name. You can't change fingerprints.
@@craigrossi3204 Retcon? The guy's finger prints were never IN the system until he started using the name Joe Chill? THIS Joes chill actually stole the other Joe Chill's identity and he takes it back in the end? Who knows? I'm just spitaballing ideas on how this story is going to get resolved.
I fundamentally disagree with Batman killing the Joker or any of his rogues gallery. The point of Batman in my opinion is using fear and certain tactics of crime against the criminals but without becoming one. As soon as he kills he becomes no better than them, Batman uses the darkness to battle crime while showing it doesn't consume you if you have a strong will and moral compass. I believe the responsibility is on Gotham's judicial system and its people to pass judgement on the Joker not Batman, either to condemn him to death or lock him in the deepest hole imaginable. Main canon Batman should never kill because it would make him less interesting and make his stories too easy for him because he could always just kill his opponent. Nothing wrong with him pushing close to that point but he should always choose to save a life rather than take one. Batman represents the type of person one should aspire to be, a goal to strive for in personal growth.
@@Riggs-m4e From your point of view. Remember that the Joker is beloved by the underclass, just like how he was celebrated in the first Joker movie. If Batman killed the Joker he would have an entire mob of shadow people breathing down his neck just itching to lure him into his death.
Maturing Batman's story arc can prove to be insightful for those learning that previous life decisions motivates future life choices. Having something unknown from the past usually has it's quirks of creating alternative routes, but the revelation of a cause with truth can influence and improve current moral standards. I really like what the creators at DC Comics are doing with permeating an original start with a more solid foundation.
I have to say that personally, I would hate to hear that Joe Chilled planned to kill the Wayne's. I think one of the more simple yet impactful aspects of Batman lore is that his parents died not from some grand attack, but a simple mugging. I heard somewhere that a younger Batman basically thought of Joe Chilled as some big terrible villain, fantasizing about the day he'd beat him, only to discover he was just another thug. It's a nice subversion, because it makes sense, just as it makes sense that Batman is trying to save the average person from what he had to go through. He can relate to the average person in that random violence can cause immense pain, but I think you lose some of that when you discover he only became Batman because his family was specifically targeted.
Best case scenario, *you are absolutely and completely right.* Worse case scenario, *it's revealed that Bruce is Joe Chill's son and the Waynes adopted him.*
How about instead of trying to recreate the batman wheel, they just give batman a final adventure?? Give him a sentimental send off that allows the caped crusader to ride off into the sunset.
My theory is that Bruce was adopted by the Waynes and is Joe Chill's son. I don't think it'll happen though on account of how insane it sounds to a batman fan 😂
I think they should keep this change, but still make it a mugging gone wrong. A random act of violence brought on by a random act of kindness. It would shake up Batman's ideology so much and make him question his motives.
Bruce can just let joker die of his own machinations. If he kills him we'll see people call Batman a hypocrite for chastising Jason when he crosses the line.
Batman doesn't kill, and if he did, I believe in the main continuity it will just throw everything off. I can see it definitely being a elseworld story.
These should be called something like Comic Theory, or Comic Concept or something along those lines.But yeah, these are great ideas that hopefully we find out are true, because DC has been dropping the ball a lot lately. It's sad that most theories that fans and enthusiasts come up with are infinitely better than what we get from "professionals" This is why I love Variant, Arris and Tim do a great job explaining and coming up with ideas on how to make Comics some of the most fun reading out there!
This is somewhat unrelated but Arris I had this thought and searched in YT but got very minimal results and not as detailed as I’d like! But YOU! You know your stuff, and if any one was to do this right I think you be a Top contender! My first pick! My request is, could you and the team do a video on a “What If” style video about If Batman Was A Jedi! Or even a Sith! …Both! Please lolz! I mean I know with just that statement in itself would have any fan of both drooling at the possibilities! The man who has conquered Fear, has Discipline Mastered and is Wiser than the owl, but, in the universe that’s Far Far Away! I’d love to hear how you guys would think this would play out! Love the Channel! Variant Nation 4Life!
i never had a problem with him not killing even when the Joker killed Jason I was like okay about it but now this? Im definitely excited to see just how much more dangerous "the most dangerous man on earth" can be without his no kill rule. It would be kind of nice if Jason plays a big part in trying to 'bring him back'
What i found to be most interesting is that over the years many writers had challenged batman's oath to stopping crime with how flawed it is. Tom Taylor comes in and makes us realize that his oath to that is as binding as the hippocratic oath his father took and applied to his work as a doctor.
From Joe Chill's vantage point, wouldn't it be more poetic and justified to kill Bruce so that Thomas and Martha would be robbed of their child as he was?
Arris, your theory and story arc gave me goosebumps. Amazing idea/writer 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. I don't really read DC like that but I would be totally bought in if they adopt your story!
I'm one hundred percent on giving a fan that has been a fan for life of the Character Universe, IP a chance at contributing, since they have invested in it, their whole life. Great stories are made by the ones that care about the characters.
I wonder what happened to Joe Chill's child after the deaths of Thomas and Martha Wayne, and Bruce's rise as Batman. Plus, I doubt Joe Chill would become the Joker because Joker's real name is Jack Oswald White. But I can imagine Joe's child growing up now seeking revenge against Batman for what happened to Joe Chill. He's probably the new villain that Batman will face in the new batman run by Tom Taylor.
I think a mix of both would be really interesting. Batman finding out that Joe Chill killed his parents as revenge, & will defiantly push Bruce to the point of agony, & pain like never before. However, what will save Bruce from killing, are his father's words, that you save a life without knowing how that life will turn out. & spearing Joe Chill the fate he gave Bruce's parents because he knows he has a child.
I find it funny every time a writer uses a part of a character's origin to add context to the story they are telling every one is freaking out and saying a shocking update/twist to this character's origin as if it really adds wait when we all now its going to be retconed
Can you do history of Cyclone, Rhino, Sandman, Chameleon, Scorpion and the Human Fly along with Kurt Connors the Lizard. Also can you do the history of the Flash Villains like Turtle, Magenta, Cobalt Blue, Mirror Master and Top?
Since you did history of Marvel's Black Knight, Can you do history of Marvel's Dreadknight? If you seen the episodes of season 7 of the Flash, can you do history of Impulse, XS, Psych, Fuerza, Steadfast, Chillblaine, Abracadabra, Rainbow Raider, Mirror Master and Top in your next video?
I can dig it for sure, so long as it is not Absolute Batman. That is not Batman. This deepens the lore and story and works. The hulking boxer engineer with the He-Man battle axe and "un-cape" blows.
5:51 I don’t think Chill killed them out of revenge, I actually think it’s due to being discharged too early and perhaps Thomas prescribed him opiates to deal with his pain He gets hooked becomes an addict and robs them for a fix
Wasn't the whole point of the Court of Owls arc, that Bruce investigated the death of his parents for years only to find out it was a random act of violence...? Am I misremembering that???
7:16 " But I AM Here " the FATHER Story Arc??? (Biblical???) So will Rajal Ghoul (Sorry if I spelled it wrong) show up?, wasn't it him who created Batman using a Reality bending, Spell or Drug??? Is Rajal Responsible for the creation of Joe Chill, creating the Violence in his Life to put the Waynes through a Trial of Fire??? If I'm not right, lmk... there's so many different versions, this one still keeps gnawing at me... I can't wait to see how it turns out...
Are you going to do history of the Supreme Intelligence, Ronan the Accuser, Dar-Benn and Ael-Dan who all played a major role in The Marvels movie? Are you going to do history of Jentorra, Kryler(played by Bill Murray), Multiple Man, Cassie Lang as Stature/Stinger and the city of Chronopolis in honour of the Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumainia movie?
Could you do a video on all the times Batman has interacted with Joe Chill? I could have sworn he revealed his identity to him a couple times in jail, but I don’t remember the details
Why is Superman allowed to kill doomsday but Batman isn't allowed to kill the Joker? Doomsday came and killed a shit ton of people including superman and one could argue that the joker has killed about the same amount of people.
What if Batman realizes that like his father, his best intentions to cling to a code of morality to help people actually creates as many villains and will ultimately be self defeating?
What if in some way this makes Jason snap as to why Bruce feels it's ok to now take out the joker, but not when he took Jason from batman? Could be nice to see Jason fully snap and in some way replace joker if batman does end up ending him. Might even see the some members of the bat family go against batman if he goes down this path. Barbra and Nightwing would definitely not be on board with this. Damian might. Bat woman for sure. Could set up nicely a bat family civil war
Mercy of the father refers to Joe Chill leaving Bruce alive while killing the Waynes. Joe might have been convinced that Bruce was his son. Or he saw his son in Bruce, and because of this, he spared him.
I’ve always had a idea for a Batman comic that Batman accidentally kills joker and wants to stand trial for it and the entire DC refuses to tri him for it and they all regard him as a hero for joker finally dying and it drives Batman insane
I haven’t read comics in years. This is interesting… could it be that this Joe Chill’s child is the Joker in the future or some other major character in Batman’s future?
I didn't like the idea of Batman killing Joker, until you said about what happens when he comes back. The Joker coming back even more dangerous and deranged would act as a kind of moral reset to Batman and bring things back around to the status quo. You could run with this Joker-killing Batman for a while, and all the repercussions, but at the end of the day he would realise killing Joker was a mistake if Joker just comes back and makes a speech like you said.
Not necessarily. A freak of fate could happen. In mythology, Perseus unlived his grandfather without knowing he was in the crowd watching the games. Joe Chill could unlived Thomas and Martha without knowing who they were.
Who's the best choice in playing Batman in James Gunn DC projects in the DCU between Jake Gyllenhaal, Jensen Ackles or Michael Fassbender who can play Batman with the most experience or do you think it should be someone younger like Richard Madden?
No, you shouldn't "Fundamentally change" Batman. The whole point of Chill killing his parents is that it was a random act of violence, giving it nuance and a back story and putting the whole thing into a sympathetic area for Chill. I mean, not too sympathetic but you can understand his motivation, he thought his wife and child were dead and then finds out they're alive and nobody knows if he would have turned his life around but this would have defo sent him over the edge. Basically, Thomas Wayne will be tarnished by this. It's an interesting story for an else worlds, but I hate it for main continuity.
I seriously thought you was gonna say Thomas adopted Joe Chill son and that Bruce wasn't a Wayne but actually the son of the person that killed the people he thought was his parents.
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How about we find out Bruce Wayne is Joe Chill's son that Joe Chill & his Girlfriend are injured in the car wreck Thomas & Martha can't have kids & adopt Bruce as their son
To anyone thinking Bruce is Joe Chill's child... no. Chill's kid is explicitly said to be a girl. We meet her in present day in the same issue, her name is Scarlett Martha Scott. Bruce even clunkily says her full name so the reader will connect her to Joe Chill's girlfriend Evelyn Scott. We explicitly already know who Joe Chill's kid is.
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@@ThePilipino23 That's just low.
I'm confused. So Bruce already knows that his Dad saved Joe Chill?
@@jethrosketch no. Because Martha helped the mother and daughter disappear. The daughter and Bruce know each other, but Bruce doesn't know the rest of the story
@Jay_Rodimus some people can't read bro😂. Some are theorizing bruce is joe chill son. But missed the part where they say it's a girl. Wow i swear
Thomas Wayne saved Carmine Falcone in long Halloween so this Joe Chill thing is a direct copy of that.
nowhere near an exact copy. carmine was shot in the chest by Maroni 3 times and showed up on Thomas's doorstep begging for help because he couldn't go to the hospital since he's a known crime lord but Joe was in a normal accident with injuries that only Thomas could do since he was the one there and since he's the best surgeon in the world at the time. correct me if im wrong
Not rlly. Just very in character to him to save these guys even if isn’t a fan of them
@@shaikeau5451 yeh but I mean as in it has the same message rlly
I started reading Batman in the 60s, and since the 70s I've complained that the Joker is overused, too successful, and the story should continue, but with the Joker deceased, but his legacy living on. That said, I also hate how comics often seem to add more to a story. Batman's parents killed in an act of senseless, random, violence and crime; great. Making it Joe Chill; okay. Making the story part of a larger plot... "Joe Chill was set up..." "Joe Chill was hired to off the Waynes..." "Joe Chill set out to murder the Waynes because..." I think makes the story weaker.
As always thank you so very much for the videos.
I couldn't agree more! All the additions and alterations to the mythology and story is just contrived and creates a lot of gaping plot holes and lapses in logic.
@@ojmcclanahan689it’s even worse with the joker being a created cause of some multiversal shenanigans
@@abdullahnafiu2442 I truly hate the multiverse stuff. Some of it is good. Flashpoint, Dark Nights Metal, but for the most part the multiverse stuff just feels like a contrived crutch for lazy writing.
I completely agree.
They do the same with superman.
Origins should be simple, as it was in the beginning.
EXACTLY. It takes away from the character. The people do not understand this clearly do not understand Batman. This really does undermine the ACTUAL lore. The entire idea was that tragedy could strike anyone at random out of the blue. THIS carnival of garbage implies that the Wayne murders were premeditated instead of random and unfortunate. Joe Chill used to be a more sympathetic character that didn't intend to shoot. It was a MISTAKE. Just like this decision. A BIG mistake. Batman FORGAVE Joe Chill. This just makes Joe Chill unforgivable and the backstory basic. Oh, he was hired to end the pair, how many times have I heard such an idea.
Batman. Does. Not. Kill.
As soon as you have a Batman who kills, you don't have Batman. You have Punisher in a silly hat.
Batman is a better character and a hero held aloft for that simple rule.
If Batman would not be a canonical murderer, the hero that I've held most dearly my whole life would no longer grace my bookshelves.
I know folks complain about Batman not killing. Batman not ending the Joker. And the Joker being overused.
But that's who Batman is: someone who can and will do anything to make sure no one dies.
If Batman kills, he's officially no better than the rest of his Rogues. Something that I've agreed with my whole adult life.
If Batman kills, he's no better than Red Hood. Or Ghost Maker. Or Harley. Or Thomas Wayne/Batman. Or the Grim Knight.
If Batman kills, he deserves to lose everything and everyone.
Batman does kill the writers just won't let you know
Batman who kills just makes him generic. The extra challenge in not killing and exercise of self control is part of what makes him interested. The persistent moral debate that results is also part of the interest. Also results in recurring villains.
@bigheadrhino Precisely. A Batman who kills just makes him an edgy comic character from the 90's/00's.
A Batman who kills just once would open the flood gates of everyone in the Bat Family to killing one person.
Granted The overwhelming majority would just want the Joker to be dead. But the point stands.
There is a reason why you don't mess with origin stories. Taylor might be making things needlessly complicated again.
Exactly. And those who are defending this do not understand the ramifications nor the character of Batman.
Taylor is a hack thorough and thorough
@@TheBatman39 Facts
I’ve said this a million times and I’ll say it again here. People want Batman to kill the joker but the thing is, he should not HAVE TO KILL JOKER. Batman literally and figuratively brings the joker to justice time after time and it’s JUSTICE that refuses to kill joker. You mean to tell me after everything this man has done, that there is not one cop in the GCPD that’s willing to end joker despite the law? Not a single guard or doctor at Arkham that is willing to go that distance? Joker lives because the justice system in Gotham allows him to.
Joker lives because of comic sales.
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@@craigrossi3204yea you right
i was agreeing with you until you said that a random cop/gaurd should kill him. he should get the death penalty and the fact that it hasn't been done is the perfect example of the justice system failing in Gotham.
This would be a very disappointing story. Regardless of Thomas Wayne's decision to help Joe Chill, it was Joe who chose to pull the trigger. If his father chose not to help Joe, he would be not just be braking his Hippocratic oath, but committing a crime - murder in the 1st by doing so. The joker has been proven insane and not responsible for his actions. If Batman killed him, that would also be murder. It would be pretty disappointing and disrespectful to the Batman mythos if this happened.
Breaking, not braking.
I’m torn, I’m not against changing something in Batman’s past but the idea of chill being so random is a fundamental core of Batman’s creation. If anything it would be just per chance that Thomas saves chill who in turns happens to gun them down later because he needs money to possibly find his daughter. But I do like that Tom Taylor is making the Wayne’s nice upstanding people again instead of being corrupt in some way like they have been the past few years
So, Keaton’s Batman was ahead of the curve this whole time with this “no kill” rule….
Not really, when the Bat 1st came out he killed people, hung a guy off the Bat copter or plane he used guns to for a bit but this was the late30's into the 40's
Keton bat killed people
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Same!
Same, grew up watching this channel. 22 and in college now. Crazy
This might be a copout, but I’m fully expecting this storyline to end with the result that Thomas saving Joe was a coincidence. That either chill, killed Bruce’s parents without any idea of his connection to them, or that THIS is an entirely different person from the guy who killed Thomas and Martha.
Heck, maybe at the end of the storyline THIS Joe chill gets murdered by a random criminal who steals his identity.
Like I said, that might be a copout. But it’s how I kind of prefer it to end.
How could he steal Joe Chill's identity when other stories have Chill locked up and fingerprinted? In jail they'd use his real name. You can't change fingerprints.
@@craigrossi3204 Retcon? The guy's finger prints were never IN the system until he started using the name Joe Chill? THIS Joes chill actually stole the other Joe Chill's identity and he takes it back in the end? Who knows? I'm just spitaballing ideas on how this story is going to get resolved.
Bring Alfred back. Make Bruce a Wayne again
Oh boy. Here we go again.
What do you mean? Bruce IS a Wayne.
That's the one thing I'll always remember about doctors is they don't look out good or bad.They just look out saving a life
I hate this. Connecting everybody like that makes the word feel so small.
You think it's too much like the real world? Yeah, when I was a kid comics were an escape from the real world
The world is small if you stay in one area for the most of your life
@summergolden Gotham is the most populous city in the country..........
@@vik.1903 So is LA and I have met people more than once in different areas if you actually go outside you tend to meet people often.
Precise. And those who defend this are delulu
I fundamentally disagree with Batman killing the Joker or any of his rogues gallery. The point of Batman in my opinion is using fear and certain tactics of crime against the criminals but without becoming one. As soon as he kills he becomes no better than them, Batman uses the darkness to battle crime while showing it doesn't consume you if you have a strong will and moral compass. I believe the responsibility is on Gotham's judicial system and its people to pass judgement on the Joker not Batman, either to condemn him to death or lock him in the deepest hole imaginable. Main canon Batman should never kill because it would make him less interesting and make his stories too easy for him because he could always just kill his opponent. Nothing wrong with him pushing close to that point but he should always choose to save a life rather than take one. Batman represents the type of person one should aspire to be, a goal to strive for in personal growth.
At this point no one would fault Batman if he just killed the Joker. The guy is too evil to be allowed to live.
@@Riggs-m4e From your point of view. Remember that the Joker is beloved by the underclass, just like how he was celebrated in the first Joker movie. If Batman killed the Joker he would have an entire mob of shadow people breathing down his neck just itching to lure him into his death.
Maturing Batman's story arc can prove to be insightful for those learning that previous life decisions motivates future life choices. Having something unknown from the past usually has it's quirks of creating alternative routes, but the revelation of a cause with truth can influence and improve current moral standards. I really like what the creators at DC Comics are doing with permeating an original start with a more solid foundation.
Ngl a version of joker that actually hates batman and is "angry" genuinely sends chills down my spine.
I thought you were going to suggest that batman was the kid Martha and Thomas Wayne hid away from Joe Chill. That would be kind of wild.
I have to say that personally, I would hate to hear that Joe Chilled planned to kill the Wayne's. I think one of the more simple yet impactful aspects of Batman lore is that his parents died not from some grand attack, but a simple mugging. I heard somewhere that a younger Batman basically thought of Joe Chilled as some big terrible villain, fantasizing about the day he'd beat him, only to discover he was just another thug. It's a nice subversion, because it makes sense, just as it makes sense that Batman is trying to save the average person from what he had to go through. He can relate to the average person in that random violence can cause immense pain, but I think you lose some of that when you discover he only became Batman because his family was specifically targeted.
So DC decided to do the Spider-man movie thing? Peter lets the guy that killed his uncle go. Creative. 🙄
Ikr. This is dumb.
DC is pushing for the Batman comics to become a sh*tty sitcom soap opera like Marvel does with Spiderman.
Best case scenario, *you are absolutely and completely right.*
Worse case scenario, *it's revealed that Bruce is Joe Chill's son and the Waynes adopted him.*
How about instead of trying to recreate the batman wheel, they just give batman a final adventure?? Give him a sentimental send off that allows the caped crusader to ride off into the sunset.
They've done that many times
My theory is that Bruce was adopted by the Waynes and is Joe Chill's son. I don't think it'll happen though on account of how insane it sounds to a batman fan 😂
I was thinking that too. That would be a good twist
Fck no please
It'd be great if Joker is Joe Chill's son.
If that happened, this revelation would haunt Batman
Bruce is already 7 by the time this happened
9:53 New take on "With great powers, there must also come great responsibilities." Just awesome.
I think they should keep this change, but still make it a mugging gone wrong. A random act of violence brought on by a random act of kindness. It would shake up Batman's ideology so much and make him question his motives.
I really hope your prediction is right about this, because that would seriously make a DAMN great story. 😤
Bruce can just let joker die of his own machinations. If he kills him we'll see people call Batman a hypocrite for chastising Jason when he crosses the line.
Batman doesn't kill, and if he did, I believe in the main continuity it will just throw everything off. I can see it definitely being a elseworld story.
These should be called something like Comic Theory, or Comic Concept or something along those lines.But yeah, these are great ideas that hopefully we find out are true, because DC has been dropping the ball a lot lately. It's sad that most theories that fans and enthusiasts come up with are infinitely better than what we get from "professionals"
This is why I love Variant, Arris and Tim do a great job explaining and coming up with ideas on how to make Comics some of the most fun reading out there!
This is somewhat unrelated but Arris I had this thought and searched in YT but got very minimal results and not as detailed as I’d like! But YOU! You know your stuff, and if any one was to do this right I think you be a Top contender! My first pick! My request is, could you and the team do a video on a “What If” style video about If Batman Was A Jedi! Or even a Sith! …Both! Please lolz! I mean I know with just that statement in itself would have any fan of both drooling at the possibilities! The man who has conquered Fear, has Discipline Mastered and is Wiser than the owl, but, in the universe that’s Far Far Away! I’d love to hear how you guys would think this would play out! Love the Channel! Variant Nation 4Life!
i never had a problem with him not killing even when the Joker killed Jason I was like okay about it but now this? Im definitely excited to see just how much more dangerous "the most dangerous man on earth" can be without his no kill rule. It would be kind of nice if Jason plays a big part in trying to 'bring him back'
What i found to be most interesting is that over the years many writers had challenged batman's oath to stopping crime with how flawed it is. Tom Taylor comes in and makes us realize that his oath to that is as binding as the hippocratic oath his father took and applied to his work as a doctor.
I don’t see it working: “Dad save his killer…oh! Joker breakout again…. “
From Joe Chill's vantage point, wouldn't it be more poetic and justified to kill Bruce so that Thomas and Martha would be robbed of their child as he was?
everything is right with this timeline, reflect on the flowers that was is be. personal relationship will be hard. Momentum will inspire other arcs...
Yoooooooooo!!!!! Solid bud bud! I'd say that you actually need them to write your theory
I haven't seen anyone on RUclips review BATMAN: ABSOLUTION BY, Bob Kane, Brian Ashmore, and J. M. DeMatteis.
I think the new bad guy is Joe chill's kid..... thought you were going to include that. Good theory though.
Instead of locking Joker away in Arkham Asylum all the time why not just trap him away inside the Phantom Zone?
Arris, your theory and story arc gave me goosebumps. Amazing idea/writer 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. I don't really read DC like that but I would be totally bought in if they adopt your story!
I'm one hundred percent on giving a fan that has been a fan for life of the Character
Universe, IP a chance at contributing, since they have invested in it, their whole life. Great stories are made by the ones that care about the characters.
I think Bruce will stop himself from killing the joker as usual
I wonder what happened to Joe Chill's child after the deaths of Thomas and Martha Wayne, and Bruce's rise as Batman. Plus, I doubt Joe Chill would become the Joker because Joker's real name is Jack Oswald White.
But I can imagine Joe's child growing up now seeking revenge against Batman for what happened to Joe Chill. He's probably the new villain that Batman will face in the new batman run by Tom Taylor.
She became Catwoman.
@craigrossi3204 No, Catwoman is Carmine Falconie's daughter.
@@UltimateSpider1385 Adopted daughter. Dunn dunn dunnn!
0:47 loving the art too
I think a mix of both would be really interesting. Batman finding out that Joe Chill killed his parents as revenge, & will defiantly push Bruce to the point of agony, & pain like never before. However, what will save Bruce from killing, are his father's words, that you save a life without knowing how that life will turn out. & spearing Joe Chill the fate he gave Bruce's parents because he knows he has a child.
Definitely, not defiantly. Sparing, not spearing.
Nothing will break the bat anymore . Alfred is dead
I find it funny every time a writer uses a part of a character's origin to add context to the story they are telling every one is freaking out and saying a shocking update/twist to this character's origin as if it really adds wait when we all now its going to be retconed
This is a copy of the Falcone story in long Halloween
Can you do history of Cyclone, Rhino, Sandman, Chameleon, Scorpion and the Human Fly along with Kurt Connors the Lizard. Also can you do the history of the Flash Villains like Turtle, Magenta, Cobalt Blue, Mirror Master and Top?
I, too, am a Batman fan, and I can't wait to see what Tom Taylor does next.
Since you did history of Marvel's Black Knight, Can you do history of Marvel's Dreadknight?
If you seen the episodes of season 7 of the Flash, can you do history of Impulse, XS, Psych, Fuerza, Steadfast, Chillblaine, Abracadabra, Rainbow Raider, Mirror Master and Top in your next video?
I can dig it for sure, so long as it is not Absolute Batman. That is not Batman. This deepens the lore and story and works. The hulking boxer engineer with the He-Man battle axe and "un-cape" blows.
Told ya!
- Jason
5:51
I don’t think Chill killed them out of revenge, I actually think it’s due to being discharged too early and perhaps Thomas prescribed him opiates to deal with his pain
He gets hooked becomes an addict and robs them for a fix
Joe Chill's Daughter tracks. Dope.
The irony in Thomas saving the man who would eventually kill him
Wasn't the whole point of the Court of Owls arc, that Bruce investigated the death of his parents for years only to find out it was a random act of violence...? Am I misremembering that???
RETCON SIRENS 🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨
@@Horopter lol.
7:16 " But I AM Here " the FATHER Story Arc??? (Biblical???) So will Rajal Ghoul (Sorry if I spelled it wrong) show up?, wasn't it him who created Batman using a Reality bending, Spell or Drug??? Is Rajal Responsible for the creation of Joe Chill, creating the Violence in his Life to put the Waynes through a Trial of Fire???
If I'm not right, lmk... there's so many different versions, this one still keeps gnawing at me... I can't wait to see how it turns out...
Have we ever seen a Cosmic Powered Batman???
Didn't Spawn do it??? He was also Persecuted by both, the Good and the Evil...
Their capes are now similar... ☑
Thomas Wayne looks like Stirling Archer incognito😂
Are you going to do history of the Supreme Intelligence, Ronan the Accuser, Dar-Benn and Ael-Dan who all played a major role in The Marvels movie?
Are you going to do history of Jentorra, Kryler(played by Bill Murray), Multiple Man, Cassie Lang as Stature/Stinger and the city of Chronopolis in honour of the Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumainia movie?
Could you do a video on all the times Batman has interacted with Joe Chill? I could have sworn he revealed his identity to him a couple times in jail, but I don’t remember the details
Can you do history of DC Despero since he is one of the biggest Justice League Villians from the Comics?
This is very intriguing for Batman as a Justice League fan
The Last Punchline is a great name too
12:26 nah I don’t think this is going to effect him like that
Tom King can take a long walk on a short dock.
What
This is Taylor not king
Why is Superman allowed to kill doomsday but Batman isn't allowed to kill the Joker? Doomsday came and killed a shit ton of people including superman and one could argue that the joker has killed about the same amount of people.
Many stories talk about how Joker still could be saved from insanity, Doomsday is a unredeemable beast.
I think it's because Joker is human and Doomsday is a monster. Both deserve to die imo.
I have faith in Tom Taylor for being able to execute this theory, should it turn out to be true.
Im ready for this god tier comic break down
Mikel Janin is a fantastic artist... that is all.
this is fine for another arc
What if Batman realizes that like his father, his best intentions to cling to a code of morality to help people actually creates as many villains and will ultimately be self defeating?
What’s the all in thing you speak of?
What if in some way this makes Jason snap as to why Bruce feels it's ok to now take out the joker, but not when he took Jason from batman? Could be nice to see Jason fully snap and in some way replace joker if batman does end up ending him.
Might even see the some members of the bat family go against batman if he goes down this path. Barbra and Nightwing would definitely not be on board with this. Damian might. Bat woman for sure. Could set up nicely a bat family civil war
I don't think Batman would just change his morale code just like that.
I don't think any thing will change but the comic looks really cool.
Did they also retcon Thomas mustache?🦇
Mercy of the father refers to Joe Chill leaving Bruce alive while killing the Waynes. Joe might have been convinced that Bruce was his son. Or he saw his son in Bruce, and because of this, he spared him.
I’ve always had a idea for a Batman comic that Batman accidentally kills joker and wants to stand trial for it and the entire DC refuses to tri him for it and they all regard him as a hero for joker finally dying and it drives Batman insane
I haven’t read comics in years. This is interesting… could it be that this Joe Chill’s child is the Joker in the future or some other major character in Batman’s future?
Man I would love to see that in Batman
Can we get some more versus episodes soon?
10:40 Bruh... Batman wouldn't breakdown this easy.
This is where Batman becomes absolute Batman
Can you please do history of DC OMAC along with the Reach who are the aliens who created the Scarabs in honor of the release of the Blue_Beetle movie?
Must be nice to dream when you're wide awake batman.
I didn't like the idea of Batman killing Joker, until you said about what happens when he comes back. The Joker coming back even more dangerous and deranged would act as a kind of moral reset to Batman and bring things back around to the status quo. You could run with this Joker-killing Batman for a while, and all the repercussions, but at the end of the day he would realise killing Joker was a mistake if Joker just comes back and makes a speech like you said.
Us Nightwing fans are finally free of TT!!! Time for him to mess up Batman now :)
Can you do history of the characters mentioned in this video?
Not necessarily. A freak of fate could happen. In mythology, Perseus unlived his grandfather without knowing he was in the crowd watching the games. Joe Chill could unlived Thomas and Martha without knowing who they were.
It really does look like the Doctor is covering up the rest of Joseph chills name on the doctor's chart
I genuinely like your theory and shit that plug was on point.
Still don’t make us Batman fans write this fool cause the endless stories we can make.
As a one time story arc, this would be great. But on a long term, this would change dc forever, and it might not be in a good way.
I wonder if they'll update this for Flashpoint Batman
Who's the best choice in playing Batman in James Gunn DC projects in the DCU between Jake Gyllenhaal, Jensen Ackles or Michael Fassbender who can play Batman with the most experience or do you think it should be someone younger like Richard Madden?
I went more towards Joe Chill is Batman's Dad, but both theories could be true at the same time.
No, you shouldn't "Fundamentally change" Batman. The whole point of Chill killing his parents is that it was a random act of violence, giving it nuance and a back story and putting the whole thing into a sympathetic area for Chill. I mean, not too sympathetic but you can understand his motivation, he thought his wife and child were dead and then finds out they're alive and nobody knows if he would have turned his life around but this would have defo sent him over the edge.
Basically, Thomas Wayne will be tarnished by this. It's an interesting story for an else worlds, but I hate it for main continuity.
Absolute Batman can be like that.
So an ad, for a product that'll never get me to view your site, ever.
Cool.
I seriously thought you was gonna say Thomas adopted Joe Chill son and that Bruce wasn't a Wayne but actually the son of the person that killed the people he thought was his parents.