That's what my wife tells me as well..... At least she doesn't blast it out on RUclips. she texts me and my friends.... She Even tells my friends to remind me change my underwear and brush my teeth......
For the money I’m sticking with the pmc bronze and xtac. The 55 grain projectile is range safe and good clean burning stuff. Especially now, the pmc is still affordable in bulk. Sucks that Winchester ammo just isn’t up to what we expect out of stuff made in this country.
You know, out of 17 different manufactures, the PMC X-Tac groups sub 1"moa out of my Ruger MPR. (the other two are similar but real expensive!) I'm thinking each manufactured AR likes to chew on different manufacture ammo. Thanks for sharing!
I just recently discovered GGG in both 7.62 & 5.56 , it is now my GO TO AMMO ! very accurate -- & extremely consistent , with 10fps or less shot to shot variance
Wildly different results than I got on the Winchester M855 with my rifle. I was getting 1.5 MOA consistently and 1 MOA some groups just resting the rifle on a sandbag on the bench. My rifle is a Ruger Mini 14 Ranch Tactical with the 16.1 inch barrel. It is in an Archangel Sparta chassis/stock with a Leatherwood Hi-Lux 1-4x24 LPVO, Magpul flip up BUIS, accessory rails bolted on, side mount bipod set, laser/light combo and an Angled Foregrip. I also use Steel Promag 30 round mags and Thermold 30 rounders. I fixed the Steel Promag reliability problems by replacing the followers with Ruger anti-tilt followers. Now, they run like Ruger factory mags.
The 20 inch guns have a lot of utility. With a 20 inch barrel, just about anything is pretty effective. Plus the 20 inch guns tend to be super flat shooting and smooth. If you're not getting in a gunfight inside an elevator, you should probably have a 20 inch barreled AR15. And I never understood why the M855 stuff gets such a bad wrap. It might not be the most accurate or the most effective, but it does a pretty good job at about everything. It will shoot flatter and hit harder at longer ranges than the M193, it fragments reliably at most gunfighting distances, if you give it 16 inches or more of barrel. It is easy to stockpile. It is a high velocity rifle round, and it does what it is supposed to do.
It gets a bad rap because it didn't do any of the jacket fragmentation out of the 14 and a 1/2 inch barrels in Somalia. But I agree with you 20" guns are even 18" guns are great
M855 on larger animals does a fantastic job, in Afghanistan soldiers shooting skinny Afghans said it just smoked straight through without fragmenting or yawing but in large game the bullet explodes pretty much and the penetrating core keeps penetrating, Ive seen an elk take a frontal chest shot from a 20 inch rifle and it bled more than anything I’ve ever seen
Good stuff. I have some PMC I need to test as well. Very common and good priced ammo. Have never shot the Lithuanian stuff-don't think I've ever seen it. Thanks for the vid.
The DFC yeah I've seen the Lithuanian stuff on Ammunitontogo.com during the Obama run years... Found it in a local gunhop for 19.95 a box of 50 rounds.
Appreciate the video, just had to shell out 200 bucks for 250 rounds of .223/5.56, decided to go with 55 grain Fiocchi instead of the Winchester M855 green tips. They were the same price. Have yet to fire an AR, but feel like I made the right decision here. I do have a battle pack of PMC X-TAC LAP stocked as well. Cheers my friend
I would say that it all depends on your barrel twist? 1-7. 62 grain and heavier mostly do better and 1-9 twist are better suited for 55 1-8 I would say shoot a few to see but 6 months down the road I hope have fired your weapon and bought a lot of all types., I guess I just love my green tips but 55 will do things that gt won’t I own a lot of both
Lithuanian GGG never paints their ammo. It affects the standard deviations although it is NATO Spec. One question: how long did u wait between groups as heat increases the likelihood that you will “throw a round”. LOVE THE ending: everything is directed produced etc by chuck 🤣👍🏻
@@AlaskanBallistics Oh ya, I was thinking painting the cartridges who does that.. But yes GGG, Norma, ADI, and few others do not paint their M855 or SS109.
I agree. If he's not giving the barrel time to cool down to ambient air temp he's never going to get decent groups. Additionally, if he doesn't run a patch with some bore cleaner after each group a filthy barrel will work against him too.
Good effort, but all he did was demonstrate how to count rounds and shoot effectively over a chronograph. I'd like to know the velocity SD of each type of ammo. That's where "the rubber meets the road" in ammo selection for accuracy. I mean, the rifle is already starting to move in your arms before the bullet exits the bore. If you standardize the velocity, you standardize the amount of time it take to leave the bore, you standardize the movement and you eventually (if you're doing your part) will standardize the impact point. Better groups will follow.
IMI is very consistent. Adi is also extremely consistent. Both are kinda pricey, but if you do some deep shopping, you can find it for about the same price as others. Now, i will say PMC XTAC 62 grain has been extremely accurate out of my criterion Core 16 inch. I actually sighted in using it. Prvi is extremely cheap 55 grain. It's not what I would call an accurate round. But for bulk stuff, its great.
Interesting test. I appreciate the time and effort taken for comparison. Perhaps one day you can try the same test with a 16” barrel 1/7 twist for those of use who have the common 16” barrel. Well done 👍. Like the outdoor back drop. Glad that you weren’t visited by a curios Kodiak bear. Thank you. Be safe.
Paul Harrell has a great video on how the barrel twist and length do practically nothing within 300 yards from 45g to 75g ammunition. The only difference is when trying to push past 300 yards and even then the difference between the longer barrel from shorter is that the shorter would have its groups open up maybe an inch or two.
@@TerminalM193 That is a consideration to keep in mind but, I to have noticed a discernible difference using heavy for caliber bullets in a faster twist rate. 77 gr bullets just do not seem to care for 1/9 twist rates. Too I have seen muzzle velocities fall off with shorter barrels and remember some OTM, polymer tipped, hollow point and soft point are designed to give expected levels of expansion or fragmentation at certain velocities and can be affected by barrel length and the resulting velocity differences.
Should have put final results all on one readable document side by side.. Difficult to remember and compare when you stream results by with large gaps between data.
We can't have it shipped most of the time if we do is Next Day Air and spend it on the weight but it's 33 to 153 bucks. We can buy it for close to normal prices in-store. Which is what I do.
i have 1:8 twist on mine i had very tight groups with fiocchi exacta matchking 223 rem 69 grain hollow point but hadnt seen anymore during covid crisis also great groupings with imi 5.56 nato m855 green tip
@@jeffkenway8919 anchorage is probably the 2nd most diverse city in the u.s. there's a fair amount of anyone here. We don't have an illegal immigration problem here.
Almost a cool test it'd be nice if you went back to this same test using infrared laser measure the barrel heat. Of course your group is going to spread your heating up your barrel. If it's not properly stress relief this is going to get really bad really quick
I have been shooting 62 gr green tips out of 16 in 1/7 and 16 in 1/8, Its all over the place at 50 yrds, really its disgusting! Im shooting 55gr out of both and get very good groups...Whats the deal with the ammo or is it the barrel length? One barrel a budget ATI and the other A Colt competition barrel
Which brand of 62gr? The Lithuanian stuff works best in my 1 in 7 twist 20" (i have a video). Winchester ammo is something awful as well as a privy partisan for accuracy the best of the federal American Eagle the PMC and the Lithuanian
Winchester was the worst, AE not far behind...Funny thing both those brands 55 gr FMJ are decent groups,,,Both my guns love PMC 223 and 5.56 55gr ammo, great price for it too....I did have good groups with Hornady Black 62 grain the other week, I have only shot one box of it and forgot about that when I posted
It's not an AP round it has a penetrator me t for walls doors thin helmets vehicles things like that. But he's there good to have on have on hand. Exceptional energy out to 500 yards. Absolutely insane soft tissue penetration and an added chance to fragment. Nothing beats the 69 and 77 grain btfmj or bthp, the green tip penetrators have a time and a place. I like the 55 grain for the spleen but it drops off fast and loses every fast. It's is a 300 meter and under round and works great for that. The 62 is as explained. And the 69 and 77 have as much energy at 309 yards as a 55 grain does at 100. The 69 and 77 grain will be slower out of the muzzle than a 55 but at 300 it will be faster and have more energy than a 55 with a better BC resulting in more accurate shots and knockdown power.
Is the rifle shim at the barrel extension. The Bipod is not the best, it jumps around a lot. Are you shooting line of sight? The target stand is not vertical it’s slanted back.
As far as I am aware both Federal American Eagle M-855, and Winchester M-855, all come from the same exact factory (Lake City) that produces the very same ammo for the US Military... It's called "XM-855" by Federal because of the fact it's ammo that was not issues to the Military, same goes for Winchester as far as I am aware... I could be wrong, but I know the brass is all stamped "LC" with the NATO ⭕ with a cross in it marking .
Sir, well test, but let me know about the muzzle velocity specification? Distance? According to my Experience there is one method velocity test should be carried out at 24.5 mtrs distance.
Thank you for contributing and sharing to the community. What I take from this post are everything but Objective. You had few variables present to efficiently imply any indications of ammunition's accuracy. Firstly, you had conducted this test in an open field with so much crosswinds and every time there was a surge of wind noise picked up by your mic, I noticed that your shots opens up. Likewise the absence of such wind closed up the groups. Secondly, 3 shot does not render any meaningful indication of accuracy. Thirdly, is the human factor of course. Perhaps a more controlled environment would be prudent even if taking only the first 2 factors. As always, I stand corrected. Just my 0.02.
@@AlaskanBallistics ttsx isn't the same as m855. I'm not a fan of m855 ball at all, it was an unnecessary round for a very specific goal of punching through Soviet steel helmets at 600 yards. For every thing else, its horrible, espescially for specific Alaskan needs. But it's better than nothing.
@@AlaskanBallistics, obviously you don't know what real "light armor" is. No 5.56 or .223 will penetrate a Light Armored Vehicle. Neither will a 7.62 round. Ask me how I know.
@@AlaskanBallistics Bro, "flak" vests haven't been worn since 1997. All OTVs or carriers have had plates since then. And those rounds won't penetrate a SAPI plate, let alone one of the new type plates (Patriot III, Safe Life, AR500 etc). Even the Steel core penetrators won't pass through them. So respectfully, it's not armor piercing in any sense of the words.
@@scout3058 and the m885 ball round was used way before 1997 history. So is it outdated yeah probably is a good for penetrating things like standard vehicle passenger car doors, yes. Is it going to penetrate today's modern armor no. We all know that. Thanks for watching have a great day
@@AlaskanBallistics Because no manufacturer will be able to precisely make each batch or lot of ammo with exactly the same velocity. As long as the performance is within NATO and mil-spec it'll be the same. So when you ask which is the best there isn't a best. What you'll have is ammo made that conforms within the specs. It's never the ammo or the rifle. Then main challenge is getting thr bullet down range to the target. So the best rifle and best ammo mean zero unless the rifleman posses basic marksmanship is accurate our to 300m Otherwise tur best of anything won't be good enough.
That's why there's differences within the same lot number and the same box. Theres enough videos out there that show various FPS of each round in the same box. You have to calculate the average of each box. If the manufacturer states the muzzle velocity is 2910 it's likely an average taken from several rounds from various lots. You'll never get 2910 fps from every single round in a box of 20 or a case of 1000. You'd be lucky for one round out of a 1000 to be exactly 2910 fps.
No one is arguing that they're aren't differences within each box, your statement was that all the brands load them to the same spec.. which means same powder, case thickness etc... simply not true
Who the hell picked your outfit? Damn do I have to dress you too?
kourtney yeager what your number
She's all mine buddy!!!
kourtney yeager I think the outfit makes the rounds more efficient especially for longer ranges. At that cost my long shots will be terrible
80 rds of 5.56 > Jeans
That's what my wife tells me as well..... At least she doesn't blast it out on RUclips. she texts me and my friends.... She Even tells my friends to remind me change my underwear and brush my teeth......
For the money I’m sticking with the pmc bronze and xtac. The 55 grain projectile is range safe and good clean burning stuff. Especially now, the pmc is still affordable in bulk. Sucks that Winchester ammo just isn’t up to what we expect out of stuff made in this country.
Totally agree
You know, out of 17 different manufactures, the PMC X-Tac groups sub 1"moa out of my Ruger MPR. (the other two are similar but real expensive!) I'm thinking each manufactured AR likes to chew on different manufacture ammo. Thanks for sharing!
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No. Get your permit to Conceal. Unless I'm hiking in the woods i don't open carry
@Angel you're losing a lot of velocity with that barrel length.
I just recently discovered GGG in both 7.62 & 5.56 , it is now my GO TO AMMO ! very accurate -- & extremely consistent , with 10fps or less shot to shot variance
Yeah it's great. Wish i could find some on the shelf here
A sweater and shorts. Because I wanna be warm yet cold at the same time
Ha i rolled out of bed
Super comfy actually. Rock it regular like.
Shot pmc for years and never had a misfire or failure to feed and have been a Favorite for sure for me
I've had like 3 failures to go off, bad primers, in 10's of thousands of rounds. Got to be better than Winchester!
Wildly different results than I got on the Winchester M855 with my rifle. I was getting 1.5 MOA consistently and 1 MOA some groups just resting the rifle on a sandbag on the bench. My rifle is a Ruger Mini 14 Ranch Tactical with the 16.1 inch barrel. It is in an Archangel Sparta chassis/stock with a Leatherwood Hi-Lux 1-4x24 LPVO, Magpul flip up BUIS, accessory rails bolted on, side mount bipod set, laser/light combo and an Angled Foregrip. I also use Steel Promag 30 round mags and Thermold 30 rounders. I fixed the Steel Promag reliability problems by replacing the followers with Ruger anti-tilt followers. Now, they run like Ruger factory mags.
Every rifle is different. Glad it works for you!
Thanks for the tip !!
I'm going to try that on some pro mag magazines
@@texaspatriot9159 Oh yeah, works great. It seems the Ruger followers sit a little higher in the mag body.
@@shockwave6213
Good deal
In fact my 16 inch stainless steel mini 14 shoots the 62 grain green tips better
The 20 inch guns have a lot of utility. With a 20 inch barrel, just about anything is pretty effective. Plus the 20 inch guns tend to be super flat shooting and smooth. If you're not getting in a gunfight inside an elevator, you should probably have a 20 inch barreled AR15.
And I never understood why the M855 stuff gets such a bad wrap. It might not be the most accurate or the most effective, but it does a pretty good job at about everything. It will shoot flatter and hit harder at longer ranges than the M193, it fragments reliably at most gunfighting distances, if you give it 16 inches or more of barrel. It is easy to stockpile. It is a high velocity rifle round, and it does what it is supposed to do.
It gets a bad rap because it didn't do any of the jacket fragmentation out of the 14 and a 1/2 inch barrels in Somalia. But I agree with you 20" guns are even 18" guns are great
M855 on larger animals does a fantastic job, in Afghanistan soldiers shooting skinny Afghans said it just smoked straight through without fragmenting or yawing but in large game the bullet explodes pretty much and the penetrating core keeps penetrating, Ive seen an elk take a frontal chest shot from a 20 inch rifle and it bled more than anything I’ve ever seen
That's the key... 20" rifle. It doesn't do much from 14.5" carbine. This has been a well established fact since Somalia.
It’s all about shot placement
sounds about like the worst combinitation possible for elk hunting
Funny how the collective wisdom of The Internet can be so wrong. I and others have seen excellent results from M855 in deer and elk.
@woodsghost9088 what barrel length?
Good stuff. I have some PMC I need to test as well. Very common and good priced ammo. Have never shot the Lithuanian stuff-don't think I've ever seen it. Thanks for the vid.
The DFC yeah I've seen the Lithuanian stuff on Ammunitontogo.com during the Obama run years... Found it in a local gunhop for 19.95 a box of 50 rounds.
The Lithuanian GGG is among the absolute finest 62 grain ever made.
Appreciate the video, just had to shell out 200 bucks for 250 rounds of .223/5.56, decided to go with 55 grain Fiocchi instead of the Winchester M855 green tips. They were the same price. Have yet to fire an AR, but feel like I made the right decision here. I do have a battle pack of PMC X-TAC LAP stocked as well. Cheers my friend
I think you made a great decision. Thanks for watching Godspeed
I would say that it all depends on your barrel twist? 1-7. 62 grain and heavier mostly do better and 1-9 twist are better suited for 55 1-8 I would say shoot a few to see but 6 months down the road I hope have fired your weapon and bought a lot of all types., I guess I just love my green tips but 55 will do things that gt won’t I own a lot of both
Lithuanian GGG never paints their ammo. It affects the standard deviations although it is NATO Spec. One question: how long did u wait between groups as heat increases the likelihood that you will “throw a round”. LOVE THE ending: everything is directed produced etc by chuck 🤣👍🏻
Paints?
The green tip is painted on in most cases for the m855
@@AlaskanBallistics Oh ya, I was thinking painting the cartridges who does that.. But yes GGG, Norma, ADI, and few others do not paint their M855 or SS109.
Which is better for ballistics in my opinion
I agree. If he's not giving the barrel time to cool down to ambient air temp he's never going to get decent groups.
Additionally, if he doesn't run a patch with some bore cleaner after each group a filthy barrel will work against him too.
Never had luck with the Winchester 55gr. Only thing I can count on is that it will go bang and group terribly.
Amen brother
Good effort, but all he did was demonstrate how to count rounds and shoot effectively over a chronograph. I'd like to know the velocity SD of each type of ammo. That's where "the rubber meets the road" in ammo selection for accuracy. I mean, the rifle is already starting to move in your arms before the bullet exits the bore. If you standardize the velocity, you standardize the amount of time it take to leave the bore, you standardize the movement and you eventually (if you're doing your part) will standardize the impact point. Better groups will follow.
And barrel twist
1 in 7
IMI is very consistent. Adi is also extremely consistent. Both are kinda pricey, but if you do some deep shopping, you can find it for about the same price as others.
Now, i will say PMC XTAC 62 grain has been extremely accurate out of my criterion Core 16 inch. I actually sighted in using it. Prvi is extremely cheap 55 grain. It's not what I would call an accurate round. But for bulk stuff, its great.
Thanks for the info. Godspeed and good hunting.
Interesting test. I appreciate the time and effort taken for comparison. Perhaps one day you can try the same test with a 16” barrel 1/7 twist for those of use who have the common 16” barrel. Well done 👍. Like the outdoor back drop. Glad that you weren’t visited by a curios Kodiak bear. Thank you. Be safe.
I might now that i have an 20", 18, " and 16"
Paul Harrell has a great video on how the barrel twist and length do practically nothing within 300 yards from 45g to 75g ammunition. The only difference is when trying to push past 300 yards and even then the difference between the longer barrel from shorter is that the shorter would have its groups open up maybe an inch or two.
Ryan I've had 77gr bullets tumble and group 2 feet at 100 yards from a 1 in 9 twist back when I lived in Mississippi. Always get 1 in 7 now.
@@TerminalM193 Don’t forget the loss of velocity with the shorter barrels.
@@TerminalM193 That is a consideration to keep in mind but, I to have noticed a discernible difference using heavy for caliber bullets in a faster twist rate. 77 gr bullets just do not seem to care for 1/9 twist rates. Too I have seen muzzle velocities fall off with shorter barrels and remember some OTM, polymer tipped, hollow point and soft point are designed to give expected levels of expansion or fragmentation at certain velocities and can be affected by barrel length and the resulting velocity differences.
Great info as always from you. Interesting results. Lots of data to cram into one round of testing.
Allen BePro thank you sir...
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Allen BePro it's that good ole southern boy in me...
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Should have put final results all on one readable document side by side.. Difficult to remember and compare when you stream results by with large gaps between data.
I do now in my more recent videos thank you
I have an important question. How much is it to have ammo shipped to Alaska? It must be a fortune.
We can't have it shipped most of the time if we do is Next Day Air and spend it on the weight but it's 33 to 153 bucks. We can buy it for close to normal prices in-store. Which is what I do.
What is best with a 16" barrel with 1/8 twist , can't get accuracy with the 556 , the 223 performs better with the short barrel
If you reload i had good luck with .223 55gr v-max over 27.7 grains of blc-2 if i remember correctly
If you're looking for 5.56 62gr nato, try the Lithuanian
i have 1:8 twist on mine i had very tight groups with fiocchi exacta matchking 223 rem 69 grain hollow point but hadnt seen anymore during covid crisis also great groupings with imi 5.56 nato m855 green tip
Hey partner love your videos, I wish I could live in Alaska. And that's coming from Texas
Thank you. Alaska is awesome, and if you sawed Alaska in half oh, Texas would be the third largest state
@@AlaskanBallistics lol I wouldn't doubt it. I also doubt you don't have a Mexican problem.
@@jeffkenway8919 anchorage is probably the 2nd most diverse city in the u.s. there's a fair amount of anyone here. We don't have an illegal immigration problem here.
I think you demonstrated a means to evaluate the ammunition you tested from your procedure.
Thank you
Almost a cool test it'd be nice if you went back to this same test using infrared laser measure the barrel heat. Of course your group is going to spread your heating up your barrel. If it's not properly stress relief this is going to get really bad really quick
I use pmc because its easy to find
I heard that
GGG is good stuff, it’s at the higher end of quality when it comes to the components..
Agreed
Is it still being made I can’t find it anywhere
@@BIGZOE Its being made but like a lot of ammo it is unavailable right now.
Hard to find the Lithuanian right now
I shot Tula 55gr .223 for a year with an average of 2-7MOA.(2000 rounds). American eagle m855 gives consistent 1.25 moa for me.
Nice.... I bet it's different for every gun
Depends on barrel twist rate. Sounds about right with a 1/7
Good video. Wish you would of added SDs to the velocity measurements.
Thank you I've done that with later videos based on similar feedback
I want to live in Alaska
Come on up.
Hello your video won't play i got a case of the Lituanian , Did i mess up?
Weird..
No the Lithuanian won this contest
I have been shooting 62 gr green tips out of 16 in 1/7 and 16 in 1/8, Its all over the place at 50 yrds, really its disgusting! Im shooting 55gr out of both and get very good groups...Whats the deal with the ammo or is it the barrel length? One barrel a budget ATI and the other A Colt competition barrel
Which brand of 62gr? The Lithuanian stuff works best in my 1 in 7 twist 20" (i have a video). Winchester ammo is something awful as well as a privy partisan for accuracy the best of the federal American Eagle the PMC and the Lithuanian
Winchester was the worst, AE not far behind...Funny thing both those brands 55 gr FMJ are decent groups,,,Both my guns love PMC 223 and 5.56 55gr ammo, great price for it too....I did have good groups with Hornady Black 62 grain the other week, I have only shot one box of it and forgot about that when I posted
Keep trying because it's be nice to have stone 62gr penetrators for shtf scenarioscenarios
I hear ya, Im planning another build in a few months and have been considering a retro type rifle, thanks for getting back with me.
My next build is a .458 socom upper for the pistol, bear protection with all of these liberal hippies in the woods here
Accuracy test just tells us which round your gun likes the best. Nothing more nothing less
Agreed... I include it because I wanted to.
Winchester me and a couple of people had squibs one with PREMIUM AMMO in 9mm
That Ain't good. Shoot enough of any brand though and that'll happen
It's not an AP round it has a penetrator me t for walls doors thin helmets vehicles things like that. But he's there good to have on have on hand. Exceptional energy out to 500 yards. Absolutely insane soft tissue penetration and an added chance to fragment. Nothing beats the 69 and 77 grain btfmj or bthp, the green tip penetrators have a time and a place. I like the 55 grain for the spleen but it drops off fast and loses every fast. It's is a 300 meter and under round and works great for that. The 62 is as explained. And the 69 and 77 have as much energy at 309 yards as a 55 grain does at 100. The 69 and 77 grain will be slower out of the muzzle than a 55 but at 300 it will be faster and have more energy than a 55 with a better BC resulting in more accurate shots and knockdown power.
Thanks for your advice. I handload 62gr ttsx.
Is the rifle shim at the barrel extension.
The Bipod is not the best, it jumps around a lot.
Are you shooting line of sight?
The target stand is not vertical it’s slanted back.
Got a bipod suggestion....?
ZQI Green tip ammo good? they come in a 30rd box.
Haven't had a chance to test them
I have seen many reviews on winchester ammo, and it is always garbage. Gas guns, and bolt guns.
True
3 shot groups do not give much of a indicator of accuracy. 5 shot groups are sort of the minimum.
Thanks for the advice. Appreciate it
whats your barrel twist rate?
1 in 7
I don't know how you can 0 rifle or shoot groups when your target is blowing in the wind
100 yards the wind doesn't affect it much. I was waiting between shots edited a lot of time out
You should do the exact same concept except with M193
I'll look into it
M193 is ball ammo. Just with a minimum FPS of 3250
I know
Was this video made in Sutton?
Yes sir how'd you guess? Lol thanks for watching. Where are you from?
Palmer actually
Well cool. Welcome to the Channel. Let me know if there's anything you want me to test?
What about ZQI .62 gr and M855?
Robert F wasn't able to find any at the stores when i went to shoot that day. All ammo in Alaska has to be bought in store.
If i find some I'll test it
Who cares as it’s not available anymore..
I like the IMI m193
Haven't tried it yet
Winchester ammo is such shit ive only had problems with that brand
Generally so... thanks for watching
Nice !!
Which twist rate is the barrel in this video?
1 in 7
"Armor piercing" is somewhat of a misnomer....I it actually a "penetrator" round designed to defeat body armor....not steel plate
That's why it's "light armor piercing"
I've defeated many 3/8 steel plating with it.
@ownthenight01 must not have been good steel
@@AlaskanBallistics it was a spinner rated for 44 mag
So not rated for what you were shooting...
Where do you find the Lithuanian ammunition 62 grain
Local store years ago
New mystery = What twist?
Assuming 1:7?
Yes sir. I need to remake this video
What's funny is that the Winchester and the Federal are essential the exact same ammo
As far as I am aware both Federal American Eagle M-855, and Winchester M-855, all come from the same exact factory (Lake City) that produces the very same ammo for the US Military... It's called "XM-855" by Federal because of the fact it's ammo that was not issues to the Military, same goes for Winchester as far as I am aware... I could be wrong, but I know the brass is all stamped "LC" with the NATO ⭕ with a cross in it marking .
The government allows each company to come in and run the plant.
@@VanXHydrAyeah it's in the brass
PMC underloads their 5.56. 200fps below what it should be. 55gr going 2,900fps out of a 20” barrel is unacceptable no matter how accurate it is.
Now that i can agree with. Should be going at least 3075+
@@AlaskanBallistics The only XM193 I stockpile is federal and PPU. Nothing else as far as I can tell is worth bothering with.
Just don't use the 10mm ppu... 925 fps for a 180gr in a 6" g40... terrible
Bruh I never knew you made this video. Have my rifle zeroed for M855 and needed this
Sweet. Yeah mine are sighted in for 62gr barnes tsx and i know where my pmc and Lithuanian ball hits
@@AlaskanBallistics Better to have one Ar upper built for the 62 and the other for the .223/5.56 193
Maybe... or just magazines with the different ammo in them and the knowledge of where they got compared to your zero.
Sir, well test, but let me know about the muzzle velocity specification? Distance? According to my Experience there is one method velocity test should be carried out at 24.5 mtrs distance.
Standard test is ten feet
@@AlaskanBallistics thanks for correction
Yeah I always try to do them from 10 ft. Thank you for pointing out my lack of saying that. I welcome positive Constructive criticism
What was barrel twist
1 in 7
@@AlaskanBallistics thanks
You're welcome. Thank you
I’m surprised at the prvi results I’ve always had excellent accuracy 1.5-2 Moa at 100 yards out of a spikes 18inch 1/7 twist
Sorry i didn't see this comment. I've never had good accuracy with privi but I'm glad you do
Thank you for contributing and sharing to the community. What I take from this post are everything but Objective. You had few variables present to efficiently imply any indications of ammunition's accuracy. Firstly, you had conducted this test in an open field with so much crosswinds and every time there was a surge of wind noise picked up by your mic, I noticed that your shots opens up. Likewise the absence of such wind closed up the groups. Secondly, 3 shot does not render any meaningful indication of accuracy. Thirdly, is the human factor of course. Perhaps a more controlled environment would be prudent even if taking only the first 2 factors. As always, I stand corrected. Just my 0.02.
Thank you for the input.
Target was blowing around in the wind
Doesn't help For sure
I shoot Winchester 5.56 out of a 14.5” and can get better then any of your groups with open sights
Nice
damn you're a true badass bro
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I got some of that Privi ammo, it was cheap. Good for wasting.
Pretty much
I know where thats at lol i go there to plink.
Fun place
One sexy prone right there 😂
bahahaha my wife likes it
None, buy m193.
Lol I'm looking into doing a bunch of ttsx 62gr for Alaska
@@AlaskanBallistics ttsx isn't the same as m855. I'm not a fan of m855 ball at all, it was an unnecessary round for a very specific goal of punching through Soviet steel helmets at 600 yards.
For every thing else, its horrible, espescially for specific Alaskan needs.
But it's better than nothing.
That's why I'm going 62gr ttsx
Damn! I get 1.5” groups with Winchester White Box. It’s probably your trigger finger. Relax! 😀
Eventhough i got .75" groups with the Lithuanian ammo and 1" with the federal, it's my trigger finger? Haha lol Godspeed my friend
Lolz. It's not "armor piercing."
That's why it's called "light armor piercing"
@@AlaskanBallistics, obviously you don't know what real "light armor" is. No 5.56 or .223 will penetrate a Light Armored Vehicle. Neither will a 7.62 round. Ask me how I know.
It's meant for light body armor and flack vests. Not vehicles... thanks for your insight
@@AlaskanBallistics Bro, "flak" vests haven't been worn since 1997. All OTVs or carriers have had plates since then. And those rounds won't penetrate a SAPI plate, let alone one of the new type plates (Patriot III, Safe Life, AR500 etc). Even the Steel core penetrators won't pass through them. So respectfully, it's not armor piercing in any sense of the words.
@@scout3058 and the m885 ball round was used way before 1997 history. So is it outdated yeah probably is a good for penetrating things like standard vehicle passenger car doors, yes. Is it going to penetrate today's modern armor no. We all know that. Thanks for watching have a great day
They're all built to mil-spec so one isn't better than the other.
Then why didn't they have the same accuracy and velocities?
@@AlaskanBallistics Because no manufacturer will be able to precisely make each batch or lot of ammo with exactly the same velocity.
As long as the performance is within NATO and mil-spec it'll be the same.
So when you ask which is the best there isn't a best. What you'll have is ammo made that conforms within the specs.
It's never the ammo or the rifle. Then main challenge is getting thr bullet down range to the target. So the best rifle and best ammo mean zero unless the rifleman posses basic marksmanship is accurate our to 300m
Otherwise tur best of anything won't be good enough.
That's why there's differences within the same lot number and the same box.
Theres enough videos out there that show various FPS of each round in the same box. You have to calculate the average of each box.
If the manufacturer states the muzzle velocity is 2910 it's likely an average taken from several rounds from various lots.
You'll never get 2910 fps from every single round in a box of 20 or a case of 1000. You'd be lucky for one round out of a 1000 to be exactly 2910 fps.
No one is arguing that they're aren't differences within each box, your statement was that all the brands load them to the same spec.. which means same powder, case thickness etc... simply not true
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Thanks, I just bought a 💩load of PMC. GOOD TO KNOW 👍🫡🇺🇸
Glad to help. Hope it works as well for you as me!