These are both LAP green tip 5.56. Like someone else mentioned this isn't Lake City and PMC loads 5.56 pretty light so they probably didn't want to advertise it as M855
I am keeping my lake city ammo for a really rainy day. From your perspective who is the closest to LC in quality, other than black hills, which I use for heavier loads.
@@PracticalWeapons Winchester just won the contract over Federal for takeover at the Lake City plant. When you buy Winchester 5.56 (UPC WM193K or SG193KW) or Winchester M855 or Winchester M80 you are getting authentic Lake City ammunition. The Winchester M193 I just bought is head stamped with the Lake City target logo and says "LC (Production year)" They're also loading handgun ammunition for the US Army and they sell their M1152 on the commercial market as well as the 9mm NATO standard cartridges that other countries are using Black Hills uses Lake City brass but if I'm not mistaken they don't actually load it at the Lake City plant. However the military contract is with Black Hills and they buy the same 77 grain otm MK262 that Black Hills loads and sells for civilians. So when you buy the Black Hills MK262, that is real deal authentic MK262 military ammunition
Thank you, that is exactly the 77 gr I buy from black hills. Wish it was less expensive though. I do have some Winchester new m855 and knew about their contract at lake city factory, but somehow did not put it together.
@@PracticalWeapons I just use IMI 77 Grain RazorCore. It's a clone of MK262 and while it's not made my Black Hills or uses Lake City brass, it gets the same velocities and uses the same Sierra Match King projectile. I'll probably make a switch to actual Black Hills MK262 at some point but for now the IMI RazorCore MK262 is just as good and cheaper.
@@PracticalWeapons BH’s is way overpriced, you can get performance from many others using the 77 grain for much cheaper. My SHTF stash is all 77 and 75 grain.:
I’ve always preferred the pmc m855s over the Winchester. I’ve used them on hogs for a while now I’m not tryna whiff the good stuff at animals I’m not gonna eat
LAP - light armor piercing just means it will go through pure polyethelene rifle plate armor and Kevlar. It will NOT go through steel or ceramic armor though. Hence ‘light armor’ piercing
Lap usually means it will penetrate old world war 2 German steel helmet. Almost anything of intermediate caliber can go through soft armor of level 3a and lower
@@PracticalWeapons no it will go through “3+” polyethelene armor rated for m193 and .308, 7.62 lead core only. Green tip still penetrates it because of its steel core. UHMWPE armor is good at stopping extra high velocity lead core rifle rounds but is not good at stopping slower rounds that have a steel core.
you are talking about just poly armor, not hybrid, right? I have not seen 3+ from that material, but any armor level 3 rated is supposed to stop M855. Note, not the new M855A1 - that requires RF2 - ie Level 3+ or higher. Of course any Level IV will stop both
Well, it is not armor piercing in current standards anyway, just a penetrating round. Back in the days they wanted to make sure it goes through old steel helmet. Still a good round type today, semi universal
What are you paying for green tips? How much per round to your doorstep. I used to shop palmetto but there prices aren't up to par anymore unless I'm missing a deal
@@daltonm6764 I just got 200 of these rounds from palmetto yesterday. They were 50cent a round and about 12$ shipping. It was about 9$ shipping for 100rounds. The more you buy at a time ,the better the deal for shipping is.
Nothing advertised as AP, even "LAP", is supposed to be sold unrestricted open market. It's just a legal move since m855 says it anyways. It wouldn't be labeled m855 if it lacked the steel core section.
Question.....Are you saying the M855 is not magnetic, but the LAP is? I ask, because my local range does not allow steel core (magnetic) bullets on their range. If the bullet is not magnetic, you can shoot it there.
@@MSgt_D xtac makes 2 m855. If the box doesn’t say lap it has no small steel core. Idk how many other brands are like this. The easiest way to find out before buying is put a magnet to the tip. If it sticks. It’s got a steel core.
There the same. Exactly the same. Now you’re gonna get this guy kicked out of his range because you trolled him. There’s a reason someone went out of there way to mark each bullet tip with crappy color coordinated designation. You should look it up, but maybe not on RUclips if that’s where you have learned everything else so far.
I go to a private range with 50bmg rated plates... Unless I bring something beyond that no kicking out :). But I still plan to magnet check both types of rounds
It's just a name change on the box. Green Tip or LAP. LAP stands for Light Armor Piercing
thanks this is helpfull
Thanks for the info
These are both LAP green tip 5.56. Like someone else mentioned this isn't Lake City and PMC loads 5.56 pretty light so they probably didn't want to advertise it as M855
I am keeping my lake city ammo for a really rainy day. From your perspective who is the closest to LC in quality, other than black hills, which I use for heavier loads.
@@PracticalWeapons Winchester just won the contract over Federal for takeover at the Lake City plant. When you buy Winchester 5.56 (UPC WM193K or SG193KW) or Winchester M855 or Winchester M80 you are getting authentic Lake City ammunition. The Winchester M193 I just bought is head stamped with the Lake City target logo and says "LC (Production year)"
They're also loading handgun ammunition for the US Army and they sell their M1152 on the commercial market as well as the 9mm NATO standard cartridges that other countries are using
Black Hills uses Lake City brass but if I'm not mistaken they don't actually load it at the Lake City plant. However the military contract is with Black Hills and they buy the same 77 grain otm MK262 that Black Hills loads and sells for civilians. So when you buy the Black Hills MK262, that is real deal authentic MK262 military ammunition
Thank you, that is exactly the 77 gr I buy from black hills. Wish it was less expensive though. I do have some Winchester new m855 and knew about their contract at lake city factory, but somehow did not put it together.
@@PracticalWeapons I just use IMI 77 Grain RazorCore. It's a clone of MK262 and while it's not made my Black Hills or uses Lake City brass, it gets the same velocities and uses the same Sierra Match King projectile. I'll probably make a switch to actual Black Hills MK262 at some point but for now the IMI RazorCore MK262 is just as good and cheaper.
@@PracticalWeapons BH’s is way overpriced, you can get performance from many others using the 77 grain for much cheaper. My SHTF stash is all 77 and 75 grain.:
According to the PMC website these are mil spec rounds so they should be real m855 rounds
Shot cases of these. The brass is excellent for reloading once you swage the primer pocket.
I’ve always preferred the pmc m855s over the Winchester. I’ve used them on hogs for a while now I’m not tryna whiff the good stuff at animals I’m not gonna eat
LAP - light armor piercing just means it will go through pure polyethelene rifle plate armor and Kevlar. It will NOT go through steel or ceramic armor though. Hence ‘light armor’ piercing
Lap usually means it will penetrate old world war 2 German steel helmet. Almost anything of intermediate caliber can go through soft armor of level 3a and lower
@@PracticalWeapons okay but it will still penetrate rifle armor that’s made from pure UHMWPE with no ceramic.
@user-oy9zy4ds9m as long as it is under level 3 it sure will
@@PracticalWeapons no it will go through “3+” polyethelene armor rated for m193 and .308, 7.62 lead core only. Green tip still penetrates it because of its steel core. UHMWPE armor is good at stopping extra high velocity lead core rifle rounds but is not good at stopping slower rounds that have a steel core.
you are talking about just poly armor, not hybrid, right? I have not seen 3+ from that material, but any armor level 3 rated is supposed to stop M855. Note, not the new M855A1 - that requires RF2 - ie Level 3+ or higher. Of course any Level IV will stop both
Green tip stands for light armor piercing. Just a change in advertisement on the box for exact same round
You mean "LAP" _stands for_ *Light Armor Piercing* round. But, I understood you.
In the US there are restrictions for "armor piercing". Apparently not in Euro. Just change the name and it's not armor piercing
Well, it is not armor piercing in current standards anyway, just a penetrating round. Back in the days they wanted to make sure it goes through old steel helmet. Still a good round type today, semi universal
@@PracticalWeapons I agree
There's no difference. LAP stands for Light Armor Piercing. The M855 ball is the LAP. Just different marking on the box.
I emailed them and asked if there was a difference.....I never got a response
It’s probably due to manufacturing date of the ammo. To having a different box the animals probably loaded the same.
I shoot all brands of 5.56..........PMC is an affordable mfg.
And more brands appearing lately, I got some igman 5.56 a few weeks ago to try them out
They probably change the box because it wasn’t true M855 spec
Beyond actual NATO rounds and lake city, I wonder who makes real m855 that can be bought today
I also brought another half case. Will need it soon as I plan to refit my ars and move to better level
The Buffman Range RUclips channel has a video of this stuff and it gets 2,950 fps from a 16" barrel.
Pmc xtac is loaded to full spec. It’s not the same as their bronze line
I have a few cases of pmc bronze in various calibers, due to ammo subscription. Plinking ammo
palmetto always has deals on these
They often have deals on ammo, I got a lot of Norma from PSA too
What are you paying for green tips? How much per round to your doorstep. I used to shop palmetto but there prices aren't up to par anymore unless I'm missing a deal
The best was 37 cents on sale to 50 cents. Regularly see them around 40-41 cents.
@@daltonm6764 I just got 200 of these rounds from palmetto yesterday. They were 50cent a round and about 12$ shipping. It was about 9$ shipping for 100rounds. The more you buy at a time ,the better the deal for shipping is.
I personally try to for at least half a case at a time if I cannot get 1000. My prices are usually about 44 cents after shipping and taxes
Same round, one has the code for the name and the other has designation for the name. M855 was designed for light armor penatration.
Did you ever find out the difference, or are they the exact same like I suspect?
Not yet, life is getting in the way currently
They are exactly the same, they changed the label on the box.
They are the same
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Or ss109 steel tip predator. ..ImI
penetrator, right?
Nothing advertised as AP, even "LAP", is supposed to be sold unrestricted open market. It's just a legal move since m855 says it anyways.
It wouldn't be labeled m855 if it lacked the steel core section.
The LAP has a small steel core. The other doesn’t. Just put a magnet on the tip and you’ll see.
Let me try, that would be a big difference
Question.....Are you saying the M855 is not magnetic, but the LAP is?
I ask, because my local range does not allow steel core (magnetic) bullets on their range. If the bullet is not magnetic, you can shoot it there.
@@MSgt_D xtac makes 2 m855. If the box doesn’t say lap it has no small steel core.
Idk how many other brands are like this. The easiest way to find out before buying is put a magnet to the tip. If it sticks. It’s got a steel core.
There the same. Exactly the same. Now you’re gonna get this guy kicked out of his range because you trolled him. There’s a reason someone went out of there way to mark each bullet tip with crappy color coordinated designation. You should look it up, but maybe not on RUclips if that’s where you have learned everything else so far.
I go to a private range with 50bmg rated plates... Unless I bring something beyond that no kicking out :). But I still plan to magnet check both types of rounds
What do you think about IMI ammo ?
I have only tried their 77 grain, very nice out of 20 inch barrel, but my max distance at the time was only 200 yards. Still, 5 round holes touching