That really isn’t that hot for m193. Winchester M193 is produced by Lake City which loads to military spec. Lake City M193 was tested with a 20” barrel and produced around 3,250 fps.
I bought a shitload of this last year when the ammo crunch was just beginning to end. Haven’t shot any of it yet, but was expecting better performance based on info directly from Igman. On a side note, when I first discovered that Colt was shipping M4A1s with crush washers instead of peel washers, I did an accuracy test of a new 14.5” barrel with no muzzle device, compared to the same barrel with an A2 flash hider torqued to correct timing with a crush washer. Accuracy dropped from 1.5 moa with match ammo to 3 moa with the same lot of ammo. I mentioned it to a factory engineer that visited my facility during some later R&D consulting I was doing. His response? They only have to beat 4 moa, so it’s within spec. After a visit to his facility for further testing of the configuration my customer was selling, I wasn’t impressed. I can’t get more specific because of NDAs, which I’ve already been accused of violating.
I like it for having that double seal, however it is not as hot as Winchester M193 as I’ve learned today Went to the range (indoors). Optic is zeroed perfectly beforehand. Igman is first up and my impacts are off. Adjust optic and continue. Then I switch to Winchester and my impacts are way high so I adjust again and I lock it down. I was also getting fireballs from the Winchester and not the Igman. Got an SJC Titan comp and deflector on the front end.
I also have a 20” FN double chrome lined barrel. It produces the highest velocity of all my 20” barrels. So this might be the absolute max velocity from a 20”. 3160 is not bad but it is 100 fps less than Lake City M193. PMC XTac M193 has even lower velocity than this Igman but I still buy the XTac for range plinking. Lake City is still the best imo because it’s Full power
Interesting because I just tested this ammo out of a 20 inch ar in 30 degree weather and got an average of 3,216 fps. Maybe my lot is different or my chronograph is broke. Anyways great video sir.
@@BuffRANGE CDVS US sells $0.14/500 projectiles for M856, M62A1 and M25 projectiles. Kosher Surplus sells M856A1 for $1.50/100 rounds. Never bought the ammo because I don't understand if its lead/copper/armor piercing.
@@BuffRANGE really never seen any videos on RUclips on that different types of ammo, or odd named European ammo, I guess maybe wiki is the best? Wondering how it performs on armor or PE. I think copper can go through steel well, seen a video on 45gr copper going through.
@@BuffRANGE also the link for the ammo velocity spreadsheet, when opening it says the file is to large. Kinda thinking of what the most accurate 5.56 ammo brand/company, also if IMI is the hottest ammo.
Matt, is there any chance you could do another test of the Winchester Service Grade 115 gr FMJFN SG9W? Winchester customer service recently claimed a velocity of 1320 fps out of a 4” barrel. This is way faster than your test of four years ago.
Sure if they want to send me some. Often times their stated velocities are in specific test barrels and in controlled environments. Or did they chage their service grade over to the M1152? That was 1,2xx from the 4"...
@@BuffRANGE I’ve seen your reviews of both. I plan to pull a couple of the SG9W apart and see if the powder charge has changed since your review, and compare it to current production M1152. Since my most recent divorce, I no longer have a range in my backyard for testing.
@@BuffRANGE Matt, I finally pulled two each of current production Winchester SG9W and M1152. Both powder charges from the SG9W weighed 6.8 grs. One of the M1152 charges weighed 6.8 grs, the other weighed 6.74 grs. One of the pieces of brass was slightly heavier than the other. IIRC, when you tested the SG9W 4 years ago, you published a charge weight of 5.8 grs. (verified)
The 1 in 12 twist would improve accuracy. It is perfect for the 55 gr bullet. In a faster twist, it may not perfectly stabilize. Good video, good info.
This is a hot .223 load. One Cartridge over 3000fps. Glad I only purchased a couple boxes.
That really isn’t that hot for m193. Winchester M193 is produced by Lake City which loads to military spec. Lake City M193 was tested with a 20” barrel and produced around 3,250 fps.
@@Firefuzz11m193 is “5.56 spec” while he’s saying this is “hot for a .223”
Close enough for government work
Whatchu mean?
@@BlackTongue.He is joking
Thanks! Great test. Thanks for the info. Helps with my stockpiles!
I bought a shitload of this last year when the ammo crunch was just beginning to end. Haven’t shot any of it yet, but was expecting better performance based on info directly from Igman.
On a side note, when I first discovered that Colt was shipping M4A1s with crush washers instead of peel washers, I did an accuracy test of a new 14.5” barrel with no muzzle device, compared to the same barrel with an A2 flash hider torqued to correct timing with a crush washer.
Accuracy dropped from 1.5 moa with match ammo to 3 moa with the same lot of ammo.
I mentioned it to a factory engineer that visited my facility during some later R&D consulting I was doing.
His response? They only have to beat 4 moa, so it’s within spec.
After a visit to his facility for further testing of the configuration my customer was selling, I wasn’t impressed. I can’t get more specific because of NDAs, which I’ve already been accused of violating.
I just bought a 1000 rounds of this stuff. I got 3200+ fps out of my 16" 1/7 twist barrel, yesterday.
Do you have a cost and date of your purchase ?
I'm going to pick up a can of 1000 rds for $525 total this week.
@@jetboy770371 1000 rds for 488.88 free shipping on blackhawk armory today.
Shit is very accurate for the money (in comparison to wolf, tula, which is the same price in my area)
Nice test! It looks like this fits the bill for run of the mill plinking/training ammo which was what I picked it up for.
300 fps spreads and under 3000 from a 16. Lol. No.
For 100FPS I will save my money and stick with their 223 offering at the range. This stuff is just not spec enough to stockpile.
Thank you for the review..
I read these are made in Bosnia and I was wondering its performance.
I like it for having that double seal, however it is not as hot as Winchester M193 as I’ve learned today
Went to the range (indoors). Optic is zeroed perfectly beforehand. Igman is first up and my impacts are off. Adjust optic and continue.
Then I switch to Winchester and my impacts are way high so I adjust again and I lock it down.
I was also getting fireballs from the Winchester and not the Igman. Got an SJC Titan comp and deflector on the front end.
I've never had an issue with igman
Igman is very inconsistent ammo. I get worse groups with it than russian steel case wolf in my 308 ar.
I also have a 20” FN double chrome lined barrel. It produces the highest velocity of all my 20” barrels. So this might be the absolute max velocity from a 20”. 3160 is not bad but it is 100 fps less than Lake City M193. PMC XTac M193 has even lower velocity than this Igman but I still buy the XTac for range plinking. Lake City is still the best imo because it’s Full power
Thanks Matt!
Happy to help!
I wish Target sports had more MK318 mod 1 in stock. Or some of the 9 BPLE. Ahhh the good old days.
Like a good neighbor, AK is there
Why the hate for the TRS25? It's my favorite cheap level red dot
Mine would parasitically drain the battery even when "off". Holosun 403 and Sig Romeo5 are as cheap as I go.
Good stuff
Appreciate it
Great content as always
Glad you enjoyed it
It's pronounced quickly as Igman not Ig-man and the A is pronounced differently compared to an English A
Also when will we see the LIBA test?
Looks like some chronograph shenanigans might have been at play with all of the errors. Were the screens in partial sun?
Thnx
You're welcome!
That T shirt 🤣😂 Hilarious!!
Thumbs up for Acmel Foley.
Eddie Murphy made some good movies.
Interesting because I just tested this ammo out of a 20 inch ar in 30 degree weather and got an average of 3,216 fps. Maybe my lot is different or my chronograph is broke. Anyways great video sir.
What’s your elevation ? Chrono brand and distance from elevation.
@@BuffRANGE Caldwell chrno
5-6 feet away from chrno
I’m in Ohio so I’m not sure about the elevation.
@@BuffRANGE test PPU White box PPU 556x45 M193 I got an average of 3,172 out of the same 20 inch AR.
@@joemomma7183 I always do 10-15' to avoid and errors from muzzle flash/blast, but every chrono is different.
@@BuffRANGE I also tested 2022 IMI M193 average 3,154 fps same set up
seems like the flash hole is very small. I can't deprime them for reloading. Good ammo overall though.
Have you seen the Winchester m193 service grade ammo? I am wondering the accuracy and velocity
compared to regular white box.
Probably same exact thing.
Back in the day Igman used to be the bee's knees
Congratulations on the new addition. The Hellion has really turned me into a bullpup fan.
How many people here have a hellion compared to a 16" AR?
Seems a bit underpowered should be getting 3000 plus from the 14.5
hey wondering if the M62A1 or M856/A1 I've seen are worth buying, not sure if its just lead core with tracer. cdvs is the main website I've seen it.
M856A1 and M62A1 are copper core tracers, no steel in them. What are they charging?
@@BuffRANGE CDVS US sells $0.14/500 projectiles for M856, M62A1 and M25 projectiles. Kosher Surplus sells M856A1 for $1.50/100 rounds. Never bought the ammo because I don't understand if its lead/copper/armor piercing.
@@BuffRANGE really never seen any videos on RUclips on that different types of ammo, or odd named European ammo, I guess maybe wiki is the best? Wondering how it performs on armor or PE. I think copper can go through steel well, seen a video on 45gr copper going through.
@@awsomedude9111 they’re both all copper and are meant to match flight path of m855a1 and M80a1. They don’t have any extra penetration abilities.
@@BuffRANGE also the link for the ammo velocity spreadsheet, when opening it says the file is to large. Kinda thinking of what the most accurate 5.56 ammo brand/company, also if IMI is the hottest ammo.
Where did you get the Tshirt? Thanks for the review.
Amazon has them :D
Thanks, man! It's hard to pass up the deals on PSA and Target Sports USA.
RoaR
Dragonite!
I bought a box of the exact same ammo, and it didn't have a box primer it had a berdan primer. Killed my depriming pin.
Interesting. Did it just have an offset primer hole?
@@BuffRANGE I thought the same thing but when I looked into the case I saw two different flash holes.
@@stay_based Hot garbage :(
Matt, is there any chance you could do another test of the Winchester Service Grade 115 gr FMJFN SG9W? Winchester customer service recently claimed a velocity of 1320 fps out of a 4” barrel. This is way faster than your test of four years ago.
Sure if they want to send me some. Often times their stated velocities are in specific test barrels and in controlled environments. Or did they chage their service grade over to the M1152? That was 1,2xx from the 4"...
@@BuffRANGE I’ve seen your reviews of both. I plan to pull a couple of the SG9W apart and see if the powder charge has changed since your review, and compare it to current production M1152.
Since my most recent divorce, I no longer have a range in my backyard for testing.
@@jcarne1015 I would appreciate your findings!
@@BuffRANGE I hope to get that done tomorrow, and will let you know what I find.
@@BuffRANGE Matt, I finally pulled two each of current production Winchester SG9W and M1152. Both powder charges from the SG9W weighed 6.8 grs.
One of the M1152 charges weighed 6.8 grs, the other weighed 6.74 grs. One of the pieces of brass was slightly heavier than the other.
IIRC, when you tested the SG9W 4 years ago, you published a charge weight of 5.8 grs. (verified)
The 1 in 12 twist would improve accuracy. It is perfect for the 55 gr bullet. In a faster twist, it may not perfectly stabilize.
Good video, good info.
Just snagged a case of this to try out.
Igman B-b-bergman who?
223 velocities
I think your video is mirrored.
The Hellion was ejecting out the wrong side on tape.
Lol it can do that :)
I am a lefty too! Tough world with firearms!
They don't have ballistic charts for any of ammo on their site. I send them request via email about that. No answer...
Those are some pretty terrible standard deviation/extreme spread. Should be called Ich, man.
The primer sealor looking like they just globed some nail polish on it and didn't even bother wiping off the extra