"I was blown away by the bosses" - PoE Interview w/ Jonathan Rogers
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- Опубликовано: 20 мар 2024
- Zizaran is joined by Jonathan Rogers in an on-site interview about Path of Exile 2, discussing everything about PoE2.
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It’s unfortunate how many people conflate “accessible” with “easy”, just as they conflate “complexity” with “depth. They are not the same things.
The fact that Jonathan knows the difference is exactly why he’s the right person to lead PoE 2.
You would also be shocked that very very few people can describe the difference between simple and easy. I mean irl.
He is surely the most wise, and feet on the ground person that I have ever seen in the game industry. As long as this man is leading things there, this game will always grow and be the best one in his category for many and many years to come.
Shame that the beta got pushed back, but just like with LE I think it's the right decision. Pushing back for polish seems like the right call
But last epoch wasnt polished
@@steamh4mmer264 it absolutely was. The server stability issues aren't the same thing as a polished game. They delayed on multiple occasions for Multi-player and then subsequently COF/MG
@@brianontiveros-kersch2412its riddled with bugs from 0.9 and beyond, cant really call it polished, maybe compared to some other AAA games
Last Epoch was amazingly well polished at launch for a game of its cost and a team of its size and experience. It wasn't perfect but no game is. Server issues aside because you can never predict that stuff and every company running a big game has that problem some time.
What do you mean? Le is still unfinished. there are 3 acts missing. They just forced the game out. Maybe they run out of money.
As someone who plays a lot of souls games, every time I see Jonathan mention Dark Souls or Elden Ring I get more excited about PoE2.
The crazy thing is how people who've played the game a lot say that it still feels very slick and quite fast when you have good gear (Ziz said that about his ranger). So they've somehow managed to get hard bosses you have to try on while also having a pretty fast paced game??? That's threading a needle for sure
I wish I was Jonathan's friend, chilling in New Zealand and playing poe2
The passion comming from the game director is truly wonderfull. I am so happy that there is still life im the gaiming industry, and I hope that we get a few more studios that have such legends working in them
That sound from the door creaking scared the shit out of me a few times - especially when nobody else is supposed to be home. Great chat though, pumped for PoE2!
lmao i fucking paused got up instantly thinking someone was in my house
I really like that they made the bosses hard.
It’s a Boss it has to be hard like old school games.
You either learn the mechanics or you get bossed and that’s what creates discipline.
Came here to say keep the game hard! I can't wait for this
super excited for poe2 and no rest for the wicked, good time for arpg fans
no rest for the wicked having rarities in armor and not only on weapons is a big win and should be a lesson for other soulslikes, no one gives a fuck about what stats their gloves have and you character build is like 80% your weapon in most cases feels silly to have so many cool unique armour pieces and all they do is have defences and very rarelly any unique effects
@@MrRafagigaprNot every game has to be about interesting loot or deep item interactions. Elden Ring already has plenty between talismans, consumables, ashes of war, spells, and more stuff to make a build out of.
yes yes praise more a game that was designed from its roots to be as mainstream as possible and ended up a game with 169 repeated bosses to pad out game time , people like cool items and thereis nothing wrong with your armour also having simple cool effects @@skryah
About bricked maps, there's a big difference between high difficulty mods and mods that are straight up brick walls like reflect.
At least in PoE 2 you have certain mobs that raise a shield that then deflects projectiles, but an entire instance of them is too much imo.
Good boss fights are so important in any rpg. It’s so good to hear they’re really going all out with them in poe2
I think the best part about PoE2 interviews is Jonathan's passion and enthusiasm. Coupled with his well thought out answers to detailed questions. I am very keen on playing whenever full release comes around.
Congrats to have the vision of the company and be able to set an interview with them just by playing their game.. they see your love for it.. amazing !!! Wish all the companis were like that. I also agree that we should die a lot of times until we can proceed in the game.. that makes people play more and keep chasing the way to get better and finish the game.. or see how stronger they can be..
i am all in for a super hard PoE2. it harkens back to the OG Diablo 1, in a good way. a difficult, brutal experience where every enemy is a threat and you really ahve to think about what you are doing
Excellent interview Ziz, pushing him on balance let him open up about how they are thinking very hard on these decisions
that's a damn nice shirt ziz
I just hope that we all get to experience PoE2 at the difficulty level that everyone is saying it is currently at, even if just for a week
I hope it stays a hard game
I'm worried the end game bosses are gonna be like Lost Ark: Left toe on the yellow circle and 360 for 2.5 seconds before you can deal poison damage. If you heal the boss for 100 hp but not quite 200 hp you can remove Fire Invulnerability...
I love that they went heavy on early boss mechanics.
I hope that they add the functionality of inputting a movement command and then continuing that movement while using skills. It'll be a real shame if WASD is the only way to move while using skills.
Id handle the map problem by numbering maps up to tier 12 then they arent "tiered"- instead you name them after gemstones or something- People would expect to climb up to tier 12 and understand theres a difference beyond that and they need to earn higher maps.
Yeah I thought it was kind of a mistake calling the new tier 17 maps tier 17. If they had a name like "diamond map" or something, it would be clear that they're a different kind of map and not just another rung on the ladder
Map sustain is always an expectation management thing. For example what they did with the new league is exactly what you need. up to T16 is the normal mapping tier that you should be able to sustain and T17 is the extra treat that is harder and rarer. The Problem I feel if t12 was the baseline is that t15s dont feel even remotely special enough compared to t12 to be justifiably rare. With the current map system the difference between t12 and t16 is not big enough that a t16 feels 'Special'
If you can play an new unsolved game successfully on hardcore is that game even worth playing? We have been spoiled (or maybe sold short) by games that are beatable on the hardest difficulty at launch.
Mid 2025 at best, most likely early 2026 at this point. Great to see devs who actually play the game extensively and have passion.
i love how this feels like 2 gamer-friends meeting for a drink after work talking about that new game that came out yesterday and not that PR "oh we are so professional" bs
Jizzaran
So excited to see that poe 2 is challenging again, like old times. We have enough of braindead zooming arpgs already and poe 1 was turning in one of them, anyone who rememebers how poe started in 2014 can tell the difference
9:40 I don't think PoE 1 is a "hard" game mechanically, it is difficult for a new player to get in mostly because you don't know how your skills, your items, or your build works, but mechanically you just need to learn how to kite to get through the campaign. So I think it's a win to have harder boss mechanics in PoE 2 because you have more tools to survive, like a dodge skill and ASDW movement. In order to be more approachable for new people it's not about how hard the bosses are, is more like you need to make all the other systems more intuitive so you don't fight the boss underleveled.
Is there still the XP loss on death. If the game is much harder this might get bit annoying
I’d like them to take some inspiration from Battlerite/V Rising for their action combat, especially with melee. I’ve always wanted to use melee in PoE but every season I try I’m reminded how bad it feels to have to stand completely still to use the class. There’s always Cyclone but I want more than one option.
That's definitely the direction they're going compared to poe1.
Cameraman is drunk
that close up camera sway 🤣
so many influencer words floating around here...
in this video mr rodgers will whip it out and zizaran will say "oh my whay a lovely sequel you have there I would like to eat that glizzy sir"
I don’t like the fact that you didn’t comprehend you were playing in Act 1 of the game, like what did you expect, best in slot drops from trash mobs? Like what is all of that about?
And what everyone is wondering that you (or anyone) haven’t even touched upon once yet is the question of do we get d2 itemization back since the sockets are free’d up? Because that would change up the entire game for much better for the bis slot chase, and runes/jewels/gems to think about as well.
Stop complaining about difficulty when you've only played the game 4 hours.
Stop complaining about features when you haven't even explored all the option in the ALPHA.
The difficulty in the earliest parts of the game is the easiest to control and curate, and says a lot about the developers intentions for how the game should run, before items and builds make things way more complicated to analyze.
@@blackomega34 The beginning of the game is also when you are learning. The average player will only improve from there, thereby making the game easier without the devs dumbing anything down for stragglers. There's always Diablo 4 for gaming journalists
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I love the fact that POE2 is SUPER hard. Stuff those "gaming journalists". The only time Diablo 4 was ever fun was when you fight world tier bosses while being 10-20 levels under recommended level. If players want brain dead, 1-button build gameplay, POE1 will still exist
Would really like it if they made respecs possible. That is the ONLY reason I am not still playing POE now.
Respecs are possible in POE
The changes to the socket system make regearing infinitely less cancerous. It might still be a pain to completely respec your character but switching from one build to another similar build will be way less painful.
Zizaran does not look pregnant anymore
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But he looks so pale! I feel this is still ok.
I'm just blown away how the POE players let GGG shit all over them year after year after year. Still paying for stuff in POE1 when all the money is going into developing another game. Lets remind us when this all started. 2017... when patch 4 was supposed to launch in POE. Funny enough... Patch 4 STILL hasn't launched in POE1 ;) That's 7 years later btw... How dumb are these POE players? Answer - Very!
"it's going to come down to alot of user testing" Then don't delay the beta, i don't care if it's a 2 year beta, just let us play!! Before you comment I know that's unrealistic, that's just how I feel. GGG take your time and it'll be ready for us when it's ready!! It'll be great.
I was thinking the same thing. lol
I really wish they'd give people with thousands of hours Alpha access. Very good players or not we can give a lot of feedback.
They care. If the beta is terrible out of the gate that's a big L for them, they'll get bad press and there won't be momentum. If you look in your heart I think you don't actually want to play a bad game either, even if it becomes good later.
The implication of what they've said is basically that a few things caused it but a major one is that wasd is changing how skills work completely. They're porting all skills onto the "cast while moving" system some classes have and then putting back in the movement speed slowdowns and/or stops in the new animation. That stuff takes FOREVER because it's all just about how the skills feel to play, you have to dial it in. You wouldn't want to play a game where 50% of the skills feel like garbage.
They're doing alpha testing and focus groups. They do have the testing, they just wanted more time.
If the Beta is bad, the community will tear it to shreds.
People don't think of beta's as beta's anymore. Better to have the game feel better for the beta release
I do love and respect Jonathan's passion and enthusiasm. But, and it looks like this is an unpopular opinion around here but so be it, every time I hear him talk about POE2 I think more and more that it will be a game I have no interest in playing. I have played the hell out of POE, but a POE-like game that aspires to be Elden Ring and makes you fight an endless array of difficult bosses just to get through the campaign--that sounds like work to me and not fun. Obviously others will disagree and it's fine that not every game suits every player--just a bit sad that a game I'd *really* been looking forward to sounds like it's shaping up to be a game I will actively dislike. (And to be clear, of course I'll give it a shot, and I hope to be proven wrong).
Sounds like your enjoyment of mind-off softcore zooming is more bent towards Vamire Survivors and other pseudo-auto bullet hells.
Sounds like you might keep playing PoE 1 then😊
Or, you know, POE :-)
Out of curiosity do you play or feel the need to play all video games? Or even just all video games from a single developer? I feel like it's OK for games to be different and to not cater to the same audiences. Your opinion of the game is valid and your worries are valid, but imagine it was flipped.
For some, PoE 1 does so much right. For others, PoE 2 looks like it will do so much differently right. Is it not possible to be happy for others when you already have what you espouse you want?
I think whats good here is that POE1 isn't going anywhere. In fact with Mark at the helm I think POE1's best days are still ahead. So GGG can really do something different for POE2 and people who don't jive with it but love POE1 will still ahve it
Its just annoying got do the trash all over again its like wow raid and if its about your time to stop play the game you might as well call it.
You can usually run straight past if you don't want to fight
Take it easy and focus on staying alive up till the boss checkpoint.
You only ever rush to boss if you know how to dodge the enemies in the zone.
In Dark Souls that rushing was/is a legit strat, until Elden Ring that is.
Elden Ring has a "boss checkpoint" that PoE2 grabbed as a feature.
It is possible, but you as a underleveled character will def get punished if you rush.
You don't have to do the trash, the checkpoint for the boss is literally before the boss arena