Love this man and his wife. The work they did and what they stood for. This type of stuff did happen my brother in law told us about alot of it. Tom and his wife were brave enough about the war, laws, police, politics, and best of all the Indians to make these movies.
My FIL (god rest his soul) told me stories from his service in 'nam, that would give even Stephen King nightmares; u wouldnt believe the things they were made to do😪
I cannot personally confirm or deny the accuracy of the events depicted in this movie, but the My Lai massacre is a matter of public record and what is said to have occurred is actually worse than what is depicted here. You don't think people have ever been executed under circumstances like these? In any case, I think the commentary about the corrupt system of government we have and the American conscience being dead is spot-on.
I can. Jack Jones a man of came home with photos. We in spirit looked at each on my living room coffee table. He told a brave situation was not good . There's more proof ..
i was in the army 18 years old fought the brainwashing as much as i possibly could and went through hell everytime i tried still became a soulless demon and that's the hell ill forever live with
Great clip from a true American cultural classic. Of course you can easily pick apart the inaccuracies e.g. the 101st Airborne (Air Assault) was never involved in My Lai yet Charlie Company 1-20th, 11th BDE, 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division was. We get it. It's Hollywood but, it does leave the viewer at a cross-roads as to how seriously they must consider exactly the closeness at which art and reality tend to dance.
3m10s. The captain says, "You disobey this order, they can hang you." Bullshit. Double bullshit. Triple bullshit. Any order to commit murder, Art. 118 UCMJ, is UNLAWFUL. This was the rule even in Vietnam: In United States v. Keenan, 18 U.S.C.M.A. 108, 39 C.M.R. 108 (1969), the accused was found guilty of murder after he obeyed in order to shoot and kill an elderly Vietnamese citizen. The Court of Military Appeals held that "the justification for acts done pursuant to orders does not exist if the order was of such a nature that a man of ordinary sense and understanding would know it to be illegal." Again, BULLSHIT.
You are talking human life here. Yet the massacre happened. How do you explain this? Quit getting caught up in legalese. What would you have done? I would rather hang than take another INNOCENT human life, even if my own were in jeopardy. Can you say this? This is the problem with America today. THE AMERICAN CONSCIENCE IS DEAD!!! I know it's just a movie, but the reality of war is mute in this country. It's entertainment anymore! I watched the gulf war on television, and this was a ploy by the media to illicit support for our military, but guess what? Our government is killing our own citizens now. How did it ever come to this? We just don't give a shit about anyone but ourselves anymore, and that's WRONG. I USED TO BE PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN, BUT I AM SO ASHAMED OF THIS COUNTRY, A COUNTRY FULL OF ROOM TEMPERATURE I.Q'S. You can look at people in the eyes and tell their souls are lost now. So Sad. So very very sad!
grumerguy The quoted the Mailai massacre. I had the opportunity to meet one of the people who REFUSED to fire. He was with the few who called over the officer of the Med-vac helicopter who took command and helped bring charges against those responsible. Many of the men who followed that unlawful order were still in prison when I first learned of it in 1987. Your statement of, "I would rather hang than take another INNOCENT human life" is exactly what we are taught in basic training.
CelestialWoodway He Is A Bit Testy Isn't he? Maybe He Should Chill With A Tall Glass Of Lemonade. Just A Thought. Too Serious. Can't Do Any More About It Now, So Let's Concentrate On Peace And Try To Help One Another Instead Of Throwing Daggers.Peace And Love To All Brothers And Sisters, Or Should Sisters Have Top Billing? Just To Be Safe I'll Say Peace To All Sisters And Brothers, Just To Keep From Offending Anyone, And I'm Out!
From a college classmate that was an extra in the courtroom scene, I knew about this "massacre" segment, and so it was the only one of the movies I have never cared to see.....not that any of them qualified as great cinema, just good ass-kickin' underdog fun. While Laughlin and I might have agreed on many of the facets of his politics, I really do find this portrayal of the GI as offensive, and one must keep in mind that Tom himself had no military experience. Anyway...Peace, Tom.
You know, a real good commentary along these lines would be for you all to Read Major-General USMC Smedley D. Butler's book: War is a Racket. Smedley Butler was a recipient of: Medal of Honor, Marine Corps Brevet Medal, Distinguished Service Medal. He had some pretty nasty things to say about War in general. and BTW the My-Lai massacre in my opinion was a national disgrace. "three U.S. servicemen who had tried to halt the massacre and rescue the hiding civilians were shunned, and even denounced as traitors by several U.S. Congressmen"
I never noticed that Billy Jack (in this clip) was wearing the 101st Screaming Eagle patch...not the US Special Forces patch.....wow....how did he make such a mistake....(or was the timeline different).....that he went Special forces AFTER this incident? Well, Rest In peace Tin Soldier...
Well I guess a late reply but they did not spend a whole lot of money making this film. I would suspect that the uniforms were taken from studio stock from prior movies and they did not pay too much attention to them.
I think what the movie is trying to say here is that war is the single most confusing, fucked up thing on this planet. Nothing about war is "good" but sometimes war is nessacary. Billy Jack is not anti military he us just anti buracracy. The fact that this did happen in Vietnam (albeit very rarely) made this all the more realistic. It is hard to be a young officer and question orders when you know you could be shot for refusing to follow them. That being said I highly doubt Billy Jacks unit of Special Forces would be even on a mission like this.
One thing I've never understood about this scene if he was a green beret wouldn't he have been wearing tiger stripe fatigues instead of the olive drab which regular troops wore
I think We have learned since 1946 (when I was born) I Grow up when an American native, a black person, or anyone who was not white, where hated (and feared) They said I was white, so I was alright. I looked in the mirror that night, I was not white......I was tan.... A blend of all of them. It feels so good to be alive to live in a time when a lot of us do not judge by color, but what you do with your life's. When I was 15 years of age, my best friend and I just happened to get on the same bus. He was going to the same movie as me. I bought my ticket and started in, then I heard the teller say "You have to sit up stairs" to my friend. I stopped .......for a moment and thought (What would My Mother,Father and Jesus want me to do)........I turned around and to the teller I said " I'll take one for up stairs. I found out later my friend was black. I guess I must have been color blind. I LIKE BEING COLOR BLIND.
All war is a crime. War is one of the lowest forms of human nature. We are doomed to repeat ourselves. Who will forgive and lay down weapons and anger first?
In previous movies, Billy Jack was a Green Beret. Yet this movie shows him wearing a 101st airborne patch. How could such an accurate* movie miss such a crucial detail!?! *cue sarcasm.
Davidallenroth is correct. During Desert Shield/Storm/Whatever--initialIy, I was assigned to the 82nd ABN Div. I was then shifted to a unit based out of Fort Drum NY which was attached to the 24th ID (M) to a Special Operations Forces (SOF) Airborne unit and then returned to Fort Bragg to continue working under the United States Army Special Operations Command (USASOC). Most of the time, my uniform was sterile, save name, USARMY, a Master Parachutist Wings. Hua.
Bob Bobo...I was born in Fort Madison, Iowa. Graduated from Fairfield High School, Fairfield, Iowa in 1979 and made my way to Fort Bragg, North Carolina to serve as a member of the 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces. Haircuts are optional "down range" and in Hollywood. 😉
The real-life person I can think of that is a similar to Billy Jack is Fred Rogers. Now he showed his examples towards people and children in a more kinder approach until his dying day.
Yes, your first question nails it. It's called research:. search: My Lai Photos or: American Experience: My lai Good luck. Maybe the 'ditch' wasn't big enough,huh?
The person investigating My Lai was a young LT Colin L Powell, who set a precedent of going along to get along that served him well in 2004 when he knew the truth, but still provided manufactured evidence and flimsy corroboration to give the US a _causus belli_ for OIF
You are such a fucked up moron. Powell was commissioned in 1958. In 1968, he was a battalion commander. He had other things to do than investigate My Lai. But gosh, you are probably a brilliant Phd in history, probably teaching at Harvard or Yale. We really need to listen to you because you know the TRUTH. What a joke. Stay away from the crack.
You can look it up on Google and get the details. Being a U.S. Marine myself. I always wondered why it should matter what form of government a country chooses. If it isn't abusive towards it's citizens or attacking the U.S of A for no reason. Why care. Live and let live. All forms of government has it's pros and coins.
With all due respect to everyone's opinion herein, one cannot comment on the 60s and 70s unless they lived them. One cannot comment on what is was like in Viet Nam unless they were there. Yes this scene was dramatized. It was not meant as a condemnation of US Policy or even battlefield anomalies, it was meant to explain Billy Jack's content for the corrupted conscience of the nation. Using the war metaphor in the late sixties was easy as a lot of protesting was still going on, yet this scene was just that... a metaphor... for the decaying morals in America; like those that led to the rape and subsequent cover up that starts Billy Jack on his tirade, and the town's disregard of the people of the reservation. These are the same decayed morals that allow street gangs and common thieves to kill innocent people with out conscience every day. Death has lost its sense of evil to people in this country; we are numb to its consequences to society. That's what this scene is about.
So no one can comment on the Civil War, the Chicago fire, the Pullman strike, the Peloponnesian War, the building of the Pyramids, the Byrd Antarctic Expedition, or the eruption of Krakatau because no one was there. We may as well shitcan history. I'll comment on any damn thing I like, thank you very much.
Gostwriterindisguise Gostwriterindisguise (great name), Good catch on my phrasing. Certainly you can comment on anything you like. You can have an opinion about anything you like. This is America (and I am assuming you are from America). My point is that if you have an opinion, it better be an opinion about the historical record of the event and not the event itself, unless you were there. I get angry when some 20 year old college kid with wide-eyed ideology looks back on an incident in history and says "that never happened." It is fine to say "I don't believe that happened" or "It couldn't have happened that way;" those are opinions on the historical record. However, anyone who says "that never happened" better darn well have SOLID evidence that it never happened because history says it did happen and I would be quick to point out that the incident was before his time and there may be people alive who lived through it. Most major events in history carry with them some strong emotions and those that lived through them don't like them to be taken lightly. Regardless, as this post is not about history but rather about fictionalized history in this one particular scene in The trial of Billy Jack, I stand by the point that I originally made: [The scene] was not meant as a condemnation of US Policy or even battlefield anomalies, it was meant to explain Billy Jack's contempt for the corrupted conscience of the nation. Using the war metaphor in the late sixties was easy, as a lot of protesting was still going on, yet this scene was just that... a metaphor... for the decaying morals in America. The author and star, Tom Laughlin, was always very clear about that.
Gostwriterindisguise By the way Gostwriterindisguise, You have very strong feelings about your right to express your opinion... for someone who has not actually expressed an opinion on this thread.
Okay, then: I give the wardrobe dept. a B- on the uniforms and equipment. the Screaming Eagle patches should be color, not subdued, because that's how the 101 wore them. The sleeves could have been rolled up - do you ever see rolled-down sleeves on anyone but LRRPs and others in camo in old VN pix? Flak jackets? Maybe, maybe not; the Army wasn't as rigorous about them as the Marines (at least they aren't wearing Marine flak jackets like in Platoon Leader). The web gear looks like what stateside soldiers wore at the time they made the film; I'd give them nylon rucks instead of butt packs and at least one M16 bandolier per man. It's a short scene, though, almost a throwaway, so it hardly matters.
There were scenes depicted in this film that were true and based on real events. The head instigator who choreographed these crimes against humanity was a man responsible for the assassination of JFK - Lyndon Johnson.
It's true I was reenlisting and met one of Kelly's men at Detroit AFEES he was trying to get back into the Army told me the whole story first hand. It happened. You may not like the truth tough shit.
Wasn't billy jack a green beret? He is wearing a patch of the 101st airborne. Wasn't william calley, responsible for mai lai massacre? He was in 23rd infantry division, the 101st was not responsible for mai lai.. this scene makes no sense, holly wood has it wrong..
Back in the 70s, actors would rather amputate their left arms then get haircuts. It always looked ridiculous and destroyed the suspension of disbelief. The only guy with a regulation haircut is Laughlin. Too bad he had the charisma of a cinder block. Later he became a Republican
Even though this is a movie scene wonder how many events like this really happened during the vietnam war that we'll never know about which in never should be allowed to happen if it had been me I would have ordered my men not to shoot and took my chances in fort leavenworth
At least the uniforms and equipment look right, though they could have had them roll up their sleeves and some of them wear towels over their necks and put things like cigarette packs and C ration spoon in their helmet bands.
It's interesting Tom Laughlin always played the tough guy, but never himself served in the military. He then made a movie that basically slandered all of the brave men who did serve as infantry in the Vietnam war. What a disgrace. I wonder who the last male member of the Laughlin family was that actually served in uniform?
Let's not us guys who were not there or too young or not born question his manhood or patriotism let's not refifght the Vietnam War. We lost Vietnam for a Lotta reasons but for us adults who can now have a healthy argument with our parents as grownups we lost Vietnam for 2 reasons rule 1 the boss is always right rule 2 when the boss is wrong go back to rule number 1.its easy to talk tough when authority doesn't have that same aura of power but at that time like the military everybody followed orders so let's not act so progressive with yhe luxury of hindsight.
Silvio Renzulli No you won't. You may be temporarily detained but no charges would be field. No military court will convict for failure to obey an unlawful order. On the other hand if you willfully obey an unlawful order you are charged as an accomplice.
He was horrible and I loved the way the truth was told we need to punish our government officials when there doing wrong we need to use the lords book and show the atrosatys our government officials and there rich freinds have comited so when Thay do this it's time to make them acountabl for a the wrongs thay are comiteing there needs to. Be more of this times be made to pay nit nomore Amunaty fir government officials it's true the conchence of our people has become fowl and corupt all out of greed and sick killings it's a sad time to live it's the end times thank God cause now these crooks criminals will get judged by the creater and justice then will be done and none will lie to the father thay will see but won't see him there's a place set aside in hell for there sins
this simpleton calls himself a warrior, I say he's a waste of air. And not only am I an oathkeeper 3%er but I'm the baddest peacekeeper this bullet catchin grunt would ever have the misfortune to meet.
In reading some of the post here, I find it rather laughable at what some are saying about this incident. They probably weren't even there, so what do they know, other than having a big mouth? Show me PROOF you were there, & then, what you say, may make some sense.
today...it's all about the almighty dollar that the politician achieves by the almighty vote.......sell your soul if needed,just get that vote............and if that doesn't work....buy the voting
So your saying a three old child has mailice of fore thought are you- If thats the your opinion your a fucking idiot no prosecutor or psychologist either via statement or print has ever ever said a child is capable of that - Your just another ignorant liberal posting crap
he committed crimes on reservation. ok !! this means a felony obviously. The major crimes act gives jurisdiction to the FEDS. , the FBI....not the country sheriff guys. pis porr movie fact wise.
Protecting tribal communities is a little known-but highly important-responsibility of the FBI. We’ve been helping to ensure safety and security in Indian Country since our founding in 1908. The FBI is responsible for investigating the most serious crimes in Indian Country- such as murder, child sexual and physical abuse, violent assaults, drug trafficking, gaming violations, and public corruption matters. Nationwide, the FBI has investigative responsibilities for some 200 federally recognized Indian reservations. More than 100 agents in 19 of the Bureau’s 56 field offices work Indian Country matters full time. The FBI’s Indian Country Crimes Unit at FBI Headquarters promotes liaison and intelligence sharing through its Safe Trails Task Forces and working groups and provides critical training to Indian Country law enforcement in partnership with the Department of Justice and Bureau of Indian Affairs. Overview There are 566 federally recognized American Indian Tribes in the United States, and the FBI has federal law enforcement responsibility on nearly 200 Indian reservations. This federal jurisdiction is shared concurrently with the Bureau of Indian Affairs, Office of Justice Services (BIA-OJS). Located within the FBI’s Criminal Investigative Division, the Indian Country Crimes Unit (ICCU) is responsible for developing and implementing strategies, programs, and policies to address identified crime problems in Indian Country (IC) for which the FBI has responsibility.
I'm surprised that Hollywood didn't digg Billy Jack out of the grave to create a movie depicting ice agent's doing this manicure scene on the southern border with illegal immagrants to stir the pot
I thought Billy Jack was a Green Beret. This shows he was a Puking Buzzard. How many officers does one platoon need? Who dug that ditch? I'm so confused.
Love this man and his wife. The work they did and what they stood for. This type of stuff did happen my brother in law told us about alot of it. Tom and his wife were brave enough about the war, laws, police, politics, and best of all the Indians to make these movies.
My FIL (god rest his soul) told me stories from his service in 'nam, that would give even Stephen King nightmares; u wouldnt believe the things they were made to do😪
RIP TOM LAUGHLIN AKA BILLY JACK!!! WE WILL ALL MISS YOU!!!!
Thanks
The War Of Art by Steven Pressfield brought me here today, RIP Tom Laughlin, and thank you Mr. Pressfieldfor the essential reminder
Thanks, Tom, for telling your story.
I served in the US Navy and I approve this message. This man is just telling the truth...
I cannot personally confirm or deny the accuracy of the events depicted in this movie, but the My Lai massacre is a matter of public record and what is said to have occurred is actually worse than what is depicted here. You don't think people have ever been executed under circumstances like these? In any case, I think the commentary about the corrupt system of government we have and the American conscience being dead is spot-on.
Its hard to belive but the usa did it many times.strange that war started out as a police action and it ended up like this.
I can. Jack Jones a man of came home with photos. We in spirit looked at each on my living room coffee table. He told a brave situation was not good . There's more proof ..
Thank you, sir, for your service.
RIP Tom Laughlin. A true AMERICAN!
I agree with Billy Jack on this
Billy Jack for ever!!!!!!!!!!!!
RIP Tom! Your still shinning! :)
i was in the army 18 years old fought the brainwashing as much as i possibly could and went through hell everytime i tried still became a soulless demon and that's the hell ill forever live with
RIP Mr. Laughlin; you taught some of us kids the meaning of honor.
Rest in peace Tom...........Billy Jack
+Brian Jones Billy Jack(tom laughlin's native ameican name) he was for real no BS he was committed
Brian Jones I will never forget !!!!!
Nixon lied, what a surprise. These movies were before their time, but are timeless.
LBJ lord also
Most politicians lie, or stretch the truth.
Great clip from a true American cultural classic. Of course you can easily pick apart the inaccuracies e.g. the 101st Airborne (Air Assault) was never involved in My Lai yet Charlie Company 1-20th, 11th BDE, 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division was. We get it. It's Hollywood but, it does leave the viewer at a cross-roads as to how seriously they must consider exactly the closeness at which art and reality tend to dance.
No you're right, because mine had to endure it when I was in Baghdad in late 07 and 09-10.
3m10s. The captain says, "You disobey this order, they can hang you."
Bullshit. Double bullshit. Triple bullshit. Any order to commit murder, Art. 118 UCMJ, is UNLAWFUL. This was the rule even in Vietnam:
In United States v. Keenan, 18 U.S.C.M.A. 108, 39 C.M.R. 108 (1969), the accused was found guilty of murder after he obeyed in order to shoot and kill an elderly Vietnamese citizen. The Court of Military Appeals held that "the justification for acts done pursuant to orders does not exist if the order was of such a nature that a man of ordinary sense and understanding would know it to be illegal."
Again, BULLSHIT.
You are talking human life here. Yet the massacre happened. How do you explain this? Quit getting caught up in legalese. What would you have done? I would rather hang than take another INNOCENT human life, even if my own were in jeopardy. Can you say this? This is the problem with America today. THE AMERICAN CONSCIENCE IS DEAD!!! I know it's just a movie, but the reality of war is mute in this country. It's entertainment anymore! I watched the gulf war on television, and this was a ploy by the media to illicit support for our military, but guess what? Our government is killing our own citizens now. How did it ever come to this? We just don't give a shit about anyone but ourselves anymore, and that's WRONG. I USED TO BE PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN, BUT I AM SO ASHAMED OF THIS COUNTRY, A COUNTRY FULL OF ROOM TEMPERATURE I.Q'S. You can look at people in the eyes and tell their souls are lost now. So Sad. So very very sad!
grumerguy The massacre portrayed in the film did NOT happen. But Mei Lei did happen and those responsible were held responsible.
grumerguy
The quoted the Mailai massacre. I had the opportunity to meet one of the people who REFUSED to fire. He was with the few who called over the officer of the Med-vac helicopter who took command and helped bring charges against those responsible. Many of the men who followed that unlawful order were still in prison when I first learned of it in 1987. Your statement of, "I would rather hang than take another INNOCENT human life" is exactly what we are taught in basic training.
BloodofPatriots
So why are you getting so worked up over a movie?
CelestialWoodway He Is A Bit Testy Isn't he? Maybe He Should Chill With A Tall Glass Of Lemonade. Just A Thought. Too Serious. Can't Do Any More About It Now, So Let's Concentrate On Peace And Try To Help One Another Instead Of Throwing Daggers.Peace And Love To All Brothers And Sisters, Or Should Sisters Have Top Billing? Just To Be Safe I'll Say Peace To All Sisters And Brothers, Just To Keep From Offending Anyone, And I'm Out!
From a college classmate that was an extra in the courtroom scene, I knew about this "massacre" segment, and so it was the only one of the movies I have never cared to see.....not that any of them qualified as great cinema, just good ass-kickin' underdog fun. While Laughlin and I might have agreed on many of the facets of his politics, I really do find this portrayal of the GI as offensive, and one must keep in mind that Tom himself had no military experience. Anyway...Peace, Tom.
Incidents similar or liking to this type of are not attributed to the average Pinocchio but to the puppeteers.
You know, a real good commentary along these lines would be for you all to Read Major-General USMC Smedley D. Butler's book: War is a Racket. Smedley Butler was a recipient of: Medal of Honor, Marine Corps Brevet Medal, Distinguished Service Medal. He had some pretty nasty things to say about War in general. and BTW the My-Lai massacre in my opinion was a national disgrace.
"three U.S. servicemen who had tried to halt the massacre and rescue the hiding civilians were shunned, and even denounced as traitors by several U.S. Congressmen"
He was awarded the MoH 2x only one other person, also a Marine was awarded the MoH 2x (Dan Dailey).
I never noticed that Billy Jack (in this clip) was wearing the 101st Screaming Eagle patch...not the US Special Forces patch.....wow....how did he make such a mistake....(or was the timeline different).....that he went Special forces AFTER this incident?
Well, Rest In peace Tin Soldier...
Friend of mine was 101st,went back for 2 more tours as SF.
Communist Propoganda.
Well I guess a late reply but they did not spend a whole lot of money making this film. I would suspect that the uniforms were taken from studio stock from prior movies and they did not pay too much attention to them.
totally awesome! Billy speaks the truth!
I think what the movie is trying to say here is that war is the single most confusing, fucked up thing on this planet. Nothing about war is "good" but sometimes war is nessacary. Billy Jack is not anti military he us just anti buracracy. The fact that this did happen in Vietnam (albeit very rarely) made this all the more realistic. It is hard to be a young officer and question orders when you know you could be shot for refusing to follow them. That being said I highly doubt Billy Jacks unit of Special Forces would be even on a mission like this.
Jake Meyer IF you think it was "rare" obviously, you weren't there...
One thing I've never understood about this scene if he was a green beret wouldn't he have been wearing tiger stripe fatigues instead of the olive drab which regular troops wore
I think We have learned since 1946 (when I was born) I Grow up when an American native, a black person, or anyone who was not white, where hated (and feared) They said I was white, so I was alright. I looked in the mirror that night, I was not white......I was tan.... A blend of all of them. It feels so good to be alive to live in a time when a lot of us do not judge by color, but what you do with your life's. When I was 15 years of age, my best friend and I just happened to get on the same bus. He was going to the same movie as me. I bought my ticket and started in, then I heard the teller say "You have to sit up stairs" to my friend. I stopped .......for a moment and thought (What would My Mother,Father and Jesus want me to do)........I turned around and to the teller I said " I'll take one for up stairs. I found out later my friend was black. I guess I must have been color blind. I LIKE BEING COLOR BLIND.
All war is a crime. War is one of the lowest forms of human nature. We are doomed to repeat ourselves. Who will forgive and lay down weapons and anger first?
It still happens in war today in IRAQ and Afghan. unfortunately in every war civilians suffer the most
In previous movies, Billy Jack was a Green Beret. Yet this movie shows him wearing a 101st airborne patch. How could such an accurate* movie miss such a crucial detail!?!
*cue sarcasm.
you can more around from units .. just sayin
Davidallenroth is correct. During Desert Shield/Storm/Whatever--initialIy, I was assigned to the 82nd ABN Div. I was then shifted to a unit based out of Fort Drum NY which was attached to the 24th ID (M) to a Special Operations Forces (SOF) Airborne unit and then returned to Fort Bragg to continue working under the United States Army Special Operations Command (USASOC). Most of the time, my uniform was sterile, save name, USARMY, a Master Parachutist Wings. Hua.
moonspots01 Because it is a movie made by and stared by anti war assholes
Bob Bobo...I was born in Fort Madison, Iowa. Graduated from Fairfield High School, Fairfield, Iowa in 1979 and made my way to Fort Bragg, North Carolina to serve as a member of the 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces. Haircuts are optional "down range" and in Hollywood. 😉
moonspots01 I served with Billy, he later went to the GB.
That's what happens when politics are involved unfortunately is very true and very sad
A real super hero. I wonder why the controlled media hasn't aired this movie in the in the last 30 years.
Because its bullshit??? Could it be??
falcondriver100 Baaa.
The real-life person I can think of that is a similar to Billy Jack is Fred Rogers. Now he showed his examples towards people and children in a more kinder approach until his dying day.
If you think that you’re brain dead.
How right Tom Laughlin is our greatness can never be revived. Look at what tRump has gotten away with.
Yes, your first question nails it. It's called research:.
search: My Lai Photos
or:
American Experience: My lai
Good luck.
Maybe the 'ditch' wasn't big enough,huh?
Here we go
The person investigating My Lai was a young LT Colin L Powell, who set a precedent of going along to get along that served him well in 2004 when he knew the truth, but still provided manufactured evidence and flimsy corroboration to give the US a _causus belli_ for OIF
You are such a fucked up moron. Powell was commissioned in 1958. In 1968, he was a battalion commander. He had other things to do than investigate My Lai. But gosh, you are probably a brilliant Phd in history, probably teaching at Harvard or Yale. We really need to listen to you because you know the TRUTH. What a joke. Stay away from the crack.
Your comments say a lot more about you than they do about me. You communicate and reason like someone who is emotionally disturbed.
BILLY JACK FOR PRESIDENT 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Welcome to the shopping mall in Tyler, Texas today.
Is it possible that this could be a preview of what we can expect here ?
SO TRUE TODAY WHAT HE SAID
You can look it up on Google and get the details.
Being a U.S. Marine myself.
I always wondered why it should matter what form of government a country chooses.
If it isn't abusive towards it's citizens or attacking the U.S of A for no reason. Why care.
Live and let live.
All forms of government has it's pros and coins.
Holy shit Billy Jack.
With all due respect to everyone's opinion herein, one cannot comment on the 60s and 70s unless they lived them. One cannot comment on what is was like in Viet Nam unless they were there. Yes this scene was dramatized. It was not meant as a condemnation of US Policy or even battlefield anomalies, it was meant to explain Billy Jack's content for the corrupted conscience of the nation. Using the war metaphor in the late sixties was easy as a lot of protesting was still going on, yet this scene was just that... a metaphor... for the decaying morals in America; like those that led to the rape and subsequent cover up that starts Billy Jack on his tirade, and the town's disregard of the people of the reservation. These are the same decayed morals that allow street gangs and common thieves to kill innocent people with out conscience every day. Death has lost its sense of evil to people in this country; we are numb to its consequences to society. That's what this scene is about.
So no one can comment on the Civil War, the Chicago fire, the Pullman strike, the Peloponnesian War, the building of the Pyramids, the Byrd Antarctic Expedition, or the eruption of Krakatau because no one was there. We may as well shitcan history.
I'll comment on any damn thing I like, thank you very much.
Gostwriterindisguise Gostwriterindisguise (great name),
Good catch on my phrasing. Certainly you can comment on anything you like. You can have an opinion about anything you like. This is America (and I am assuming you are from America).
My point is that if you have an opinion, it better be an opinion about the historical record of the event and not the event itself, unless you were there. I get angry when some 20 year old college kid with wide-eyed ideology looks back on an incident in history and says "that never happened." It is fine to say "I don't believe that happened" or "It couldn't have happened that way;" those are opinions on the historical record. However, anyone who says "that never happened" better darn well have SOLID evidence that it never happened because history says it did happen and I would be quick to point out that the incident was before his time and there may be people alive who lived through it. Most major events in history carry with them some strong emotions and those that lived through them don't like them to be taken lightly.
Regardless, as this post is not about history but rather about fictionalized history in this one particular scene in The trial of Billy Jack, I stand by the point that I originally made:
[The scene] was not meant as a condemnation of US Policy or even battlefield anomalies, it was meant to explain Billy Jack's contempt for the corrupted conscience of the nation.
Using the war metaphor in the late sixties was easy, as a lot of protesting was still going on, yet this scene was just that... a metaphor... for the decaying morals in America. The author and star, Tom Laughlin, was always very clear about that.
Gostwriterindisguise
By the way Gostwriterindisguise, You have very strong feelings about your right to express your opinion... for someone who has not actually expressed an opinion on this thread.
Okay, then: I give the wardrobe dept. a B- on the uniforms and equipment. the Screaming Eagle patches should be color, not subdued, because that's how the 101 wore them. The sleeves could have been rolled up - do you ever see rolled-down sleeves on anyone but LRRPs and others in camo in old VN pix? Flak jackets? Maybe, maybe not; the Army wasn't as rigorous about them as the Marines (at least they aren't wearing Marine flak jackets like in Platoon Leader). The web gear looks like what stateside soldiers wore at the time they made the film; I'd give them nylon rucks instead of butt packs and at least one M16 bandolier per man. It's a short scene, though, almost a throwaway, so it hardly matters.
thats such a horse shit lol. yeah "stop teaching history, if you weren't there forget about it" blahahaha
This is so sad. But it seems that it is about to try to repeat its self one more time.
5:53-A preview of what's coming to any town in the US
Typo below. That should read " meant to explain Billy Jack's CONTEMPT for the corrupted conscience of the nation."
As he said, My Lai is a matter of record. Look it up.
I'd rather die standing then die on my knees.
This can't have been uploaded by Mogh. Mogh died decades ago at Kittamer. He died...with honor.
True then.... truer now.😢
There were scenes depicted in this film that were true and based on real events. The head instigator who choreographed these crimes against humanity was a man responsible for the assassination of JFK - Lyndon Johnson.
Never say never.
Attention !!! Instead of Search and Destroy , substitute , Sweep and Clear.
Hey, you can make up anything on the screen. You can even reinvent reality so that egregious exceptions are turned into the norm.
And how do you know this (and other incidents like it) didn't happen if you weren't there and hadn't participated?
PHOENIX PROJECT.
Apparently the American conscience wasn't the only one that was dead.....when did you kill yours, Tom? Before or during these movies?
Nobody knew who the enemy was in Vietnam. It was obviously a VC village... It never happened..... It's fiction... This isn't what happened at mi Lai.
reminds me of the tiger force massacre around the same period (late 1967-68)
Wish Vietnam never happened same with any wars in every past present and every other events!
love the regulation sideburns
Rip!
I, as grown man, find this slaughter scene unbearable.
Think this was based on something that happened
It's true I was reenlisting and met one of Kelly's men at Detroit AFEES he was trying to get back into the Army told me the whole story first hand. It happened. You may not like the truth tough shit.
Columbus senselessly slaughtered indians....
The surviving medicine men said they're people deserved it and had it coming..
Wasn't billy jack a green beret? He is wearing a patch of the 101st airborne. Wasn't william calley, responsible for mai lai massacre? He was in 23rd infantry division, the 101st was not responsible for mai lai.. this scene makes no sense, holly wood has it wrong..
Why did Billy Jack join the Army in the first place?
Like most who fought in Vietnam, he was likely drafted.
Actually, most volunteered. And draftees rarely become first lieutenants.
Indian Blood that is why.
The order came from Captain Medena Lieutenant Kaley was his scapegoat!
Back in the 70s, actors would rather amputate their left arms then get haircuts. It always looked ridiculous and destroyed the suspension of disbelief. The only guy with a regulation haircut is Laughlin. Too bad he had the charisma of a cinder block. Later he became a Republican
All true except for Laughlin becoming a Republican. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Laughlin#Politics
Tom Laughlin totally wasn't a Republican.
Even though this is a movie scene wonder how many events like this really happened during the vietnam war that we'll never know about which in never should be allowed to happen if it had been me I would have ordered my men not to shoot and took my chances in fort leavenworth
pretty much sums up this individuals intelligence!
Yea I don't think Soo
And it has not revived
this has happened more than anyone hears on the news. terrible!! believe in god...that's really all we have.
At least the uniforms and equipment look right, though they could have had them roll up their sleeves and some of them wear towels over their necks and put things like cigarette packs and C ration spoon in their helmet bands.
And insect repellent. Can't forget that.
Good grief. I already commented on this two years ago and forgot. Ain't I a goose?
This kind of shit went on. It was a regular occurrence.
It's interesting Tom Laughlin always played the tough guy, but never himself served in the military. He then made a movie that basically slandered all of the brave men who did serve as infantry in the Vietnam war. What a disgrace. I wonder who the last male member of the Laughlin family was that actually served in uniform?
Let's not us guys who were not there or too young or not born question his manhood or patriotism let's not refifght the Vietnam War. We lost Vietnam for a Lotta reasons but for us adults who can now have a healthy argument with our parents as grownups we lost Vietnam for 2 reasons rule 1 the boss is always right rule 2 when the boss is wrong go back to rule number 1.its easy to talk tough when authority doesn't have that same aura of power but at that time like the military everybody followed orders so let's not act so progressive with yhe luxury of hindsight.
Your left your left your right your right, the military industrial complex goes marching on using all our might.
And now Barry makes millions.
Just like the IDF.
an illegal order and NOT obligated to obey it
Silvio Renzulli No you won't. You may be temporarily detained but no charges would be field. No military court will convict for failure to obey an unlawful order. On the other hand if you willfully obey an unlawful order you are charged as an accomplice.
Horseshit then, horseshit now.
Ain't war hell
He was horrible and I loved the way the truth was told we need to punish our government officials when there doing wrong we need to use the lords book and show the atrosatys our government officials and there rich freinds have comited so when Thay do this it's time to make them acountabl for a the wrongs thay are comiteing there needs to. Be more of this times be made to pay nit nomore Amunaty fir government officials it's true the conchence of our people has become fowl and corupt all out of greed and sick killings it's a sad time to live it's the end times thank God cause now these crooks criminals will get judged by the creater and justice then will be done and none will lie to the father thay will see but won't see him there's a place set aside in hell for there sins
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this simpleton calls himself a warrior, I say he's a waste of air. And not only am I an oathkeeper 3%er but I'm the baddest peacekeeper this bullet catchin grunt would ever have the misfortune to meet.
We've learned nothing.
Vietnam was fought over nothing in my opinion!
No comment
Lt. Calley was real, not a movie.
Why dosen` anyone agnolage met
Why doesn't anyone agnolagage me
As if that's news
In reading some of the post here, I find it rather laughable at what some are saying about this incident. They probably weren't even there, so what do they know, other than having a big mouth? Show me PROOF you were there, & then, what you say, may make some sense.
today...it's all about the almighty dollar that the politician achieves by the almighty vote.......sell your soul if needed,just get that vote............and if that doesn't work....buy the voting
Cripes.
What happens in Da Nang...stays in Da Nang
total Hollywood jew bullshit
Women and children are not necessarily more innocent than men.
just saying.
So your saying a three old child has mailice of fore thought are you- If thats the your opinion your a fucking idiot no prosecutor or psychologist either via statement or print has ever ever said a child is capable of that - Your just another ignorant liberal posting crap
It was a War Crime for crying out loud this is when U.S lost its conscience
he committed crimes on reservation. ok !! this means a felony obviously. The major crimes act gives jurisdiction to the FEDS. , the FBI....not the country sheriff guys. pis porr movie fact wise.
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I'm surprised that Hollywood didn't digg Billy Jack out of the grave to create a movie depicting ice agent's doing this manicure scene on the southern border with illegal immagrants to stir the pot
I thought Billy Jack was a Green Beret. This shows he was a Puking Buzzard.
How many officers does one platoon need? Who dug that ditch? I'm so confused.
Was a green beret remember poster not impressed by Billy's green beret karate tricks.
This is to day what the fuck I now we are trying to help and i love my county and troops put we need Trump