I think these engines have been very over looked for a Very long time. I remember when most every one in our neighbor hood had one in some size or another. Great video, keep up the good work!
@@bigmike2149 Lol No actually i'm fine with those as well, but I am a big FE fan. I'm waiting for FRMR to do some of those as a complete build or maybe a 460 build.
My Bud put a set of these on his 427- 55 Ford. He picked up over a half second on his first run. Went from 10.50 to 9.90. Since he still was running drum brakes in the rear. He needed to upgrade to continue the learning curve. Since he has been building FE engines for decades, his recommendation means tons to any knowledgeable racer. These are good heads.
@@FabRaceModRepeat well, I was going to go with the Eddy 60069 heads but they were on back order so… I did some more research and came across the TFs. Apparently they have some great flow. Definitely worth checking out.
@@FabRaceModRepeat Edelbrock went to the Comp group and I afraid of all of the old cars going away. I hope they modernize them and keep selling them. The Trick Flow and BBMs are really good too. But Blair Patrick beat a 427 Chevy at Emc with iron C4AEg heads with 400 ci a few yrs ago, wedge ain’t bad.
@@Bbbbad724 I hear ya. And I’ve been hearing that more and more. About things going away. That’s why we support and vote; to help insure those things don’t happen. I still love the eddys however. I just ordered a different set for FE build #2 which I hope to start on soon. We just need a few more parts.
@@FabRaceModRepeat I really think that we should petition the Comp Group to keep a set of heads and intakes for all of those vintage engines. Ed could do a TF or BBM chamber and the FE, Pontiac, Olds, Buick Mopar and AMC can still be built all motor with good heads, 461-468 cubes where all the muscle cars live with 4.25 strokes and weigh the same as a 351W and be genuine, no need for an LS or any of the new stuff. Tom Lucas is still running a dump truck FT block at 4.185x 4.25 and making 750 hp. From a 1974 391 block and CNCd Edelbrock. He was doing it before the same displacement with iron C4AE-G heads he ported himself, 764hp. The Pontiacs with the same kind of stroker kit with the same H beam forged 4340 6.8 rods with 2.2 rod journal’s just like thexFE runs for a sweet 1.6 rod ratio. Ed made great heads and intakes for them too. If they know where the bread is buttered don’t forget us.
Do these fit both a 360 or 390 Fe? SO how much weight will you save off the cast iron stock heads? i understand an aluminum intake saves over 50lbs so another 50 on the heads plus 50 extra hp should be very noticeable even on my F150
@@FabRaceModRepeat How can little 170cc ports feed a 400+ ci engine? Even small block Chevy heads go all the way up to 227cc (let's not get into the 18 degree stuff). Even the fancy pants new Trick Flow FEs are only 190cc. What's that good for, 500 hp?
@@FabRaceModRepeat The MR and TP are spread apart.080 . The LR CJ and I m not sure on HR. But the LR and CJ you can put 2.185 intake valves in it because of the valve bias. .030 over with a little clearance they will go and.060 over the 2.185 /1.65 will fit, and man do they go, My street racing trick for today. A good clearance check everywhere but I have done it. I am crazy, so I have done it, but it is not a guarantee. Lol. I got a pair of iron heads flowing 315/ 205.
I sold my Edelbrocks and bought a set of Felony heads from Survival Motorsports. They're good for 600HP out of the box. The Edelbrocks won't go much over 450HP. Only downside is it took a long time to get them after paying for them!
Daniel Smart Felonies are pricey. However they are a good head by all accounts. I hope to get a set at some point or maybe one of my clients will be patient enough to get a set. The new trick flows look promising as well. For now I’ll stick with Edelbrock’s as the performance per dollar choice. I’ve gotten a 410 well over 500hp with Edelbrock’s and some hefty port work.
@@ronsmith7739 Ford wasn't smart enough to clearance the block for that big of a valve, hell even a 396 Chevy bore is clearanced enough to run 2.19 and 1.88 valves. You just have to bore it huge.
@@davidkeeton6716 Ford had an amazing idea in the very beginning. The cast the heads with the bias of favoring the intake side and the 13 degree angle that can allow an iron head from any FE cast to fit 2.2 intake valves with a small clearance of the block done by the builder, and a 1.6 exhaust valve that flows as much as a 396/427, because exhaust just wants out. I have made 60O hp with the 61 small chamber head on a.060 over 390. Stock rods and crank rod a flat tappet solid. 2.185/1.65 valves no clearance cut on the block. It ran on pump premium 94octane. This was 69 390 block and crank at .060 over the early hi-po head that had the Yates chambers they had back then and we are now putting on the best FE heads. That engine made so much torque with the hp, amazing how smart those guys were in 1956 when were designing this to replace the 317-368. These heads are the same casting intended for the 352 Police engine. It was on the 352 a 4 inch bore with 2.02/ 1.55 valves. And it would walk over the 348 MK1. Ford stepped on their dick with the Dshape chamber, but they were afraid of these on the street because they know what they could do. It is coming back as the Felony heads the Trick Flow, BBM but they owe those guys from the 50s. I want to do a boosted mild 461 with a 4.155 bore and 4.25 stroke. The 429 is the competitor for the BBC, but the FE can do it. The Safety and Bean Counters at Ford messed it up .
I didn't see if you mention it when the newer style spark plugs all the old stuff the big fat plugs, actually the cast-iron heads don't weigh that much but that cast iron intake had to go!
The manifold is definitely most of the weight. The weight savings on the heads isn’t that big. However if you have it in a mustang or fairlane every bit you take off the front helps.
If you want bigger valves like in a big block Chevy, you will probably have to order some from ProMaxx or Survival Motorsports. Anything bigger than 2.06 and you have to bore it pretty big, like 428 size, 4.13" and hope you don't hit water and have to put a sleeve in the holes that do hit water. Don't be scared of sleeves. I've run them on street and race cars and had no trouble. Think about it, 18 wheeler diesel engines all have sleeves and go a million or more miles between overhauls. And some of those motors make so much torque they have to put a 1" thick plate, the length of the oil pan to keep the block from twisting (Cat) most don't have or need it.
@@FabRaceModRepeat I agree, but if 500 hp is your goal a well done 390 can be a cheap date. It is a myth that a. 500 hp FE can’t be done as cheap as anything out there. Going for 600-900 gets a hair costly, but doesn’t any platform for real?
CPR FORD GARAGE I’ve installed about 7 sets of these heads so far. They’ve been good except for one pair that I had to touch up a bit. The line was good however it was closer to the edge of the valve than I like. As a general rule we always check the valve job on any head before we install it.
@@grandcrappy My dads friend purchased 8 of them at the Holman and moody close out for $650 or $750 each, complete carb to pan on shipping pallet ready to oil and run.
@@FabRaceModRepeat ha, we can't imagine 'at now. Shelby also sold raced 427 Cobras for $4k. An ultra-rare GT-40's now bring price equal to a well-optioned Beechcraft King Air multi-turbine aircraft.
That's what I hear, However, When you've ordered (and paid for a pair) through Summit in April of 2021 and you're told delivery will be in June, then July, then September, then October and now January of 2022. So if you can't get them what good are they. It's Not Summit's fault, it's all on Edelbrock. Very Disappointed in Edelbrock at this point.
I understand your frustration. There’s lots of stuff going on in the world as you know, plus the Edelbrock/COMP merger. However they are not the only ones with supply problems, it’s industry wide. It really is starting to effect the average racer/enthusiast.
I'm in the same boat as you only with Jegs. Edelbrock told me 2 days ago that they are moving their operations from commiefornia to Olive Branch Mississippi, that's part of the delay and they also blame their aluminum supplier. I started in September and they are talking maybe August. Jeez.
I Absolutely am aware of whats going on with the supply chain issues. Having said that, I was intially told it was because Edelbrock was moving foundries, then it was because the springs weren't coming from Asia, then the merger and Edelbrock sent me an email I still have saying the heads were now available and then within days they weren't. I'm in my eleventh month since I ordered my heads and since I wrote my first reply they moved my expected delivery date from January 27, 22 to February 10th 22 and its currently March 4th of 22. Frustrating as all hell. Pretty sure it's Not Brandon's fault.
ramiram84 If the heads are new the port work from the other video is $600, 700 if they’ve been run. If we need to redo the valve job that’s another $100. And of course the cost of the heads if you don’t already have them. That varies a little depending on which heads you buy.
If you get the bare NHRA head to port, Blair Patrick Racing can build you a Super Stock Engine from them. Heck he won vintage EMC with a 399 ci FE with factory iron heads over a 427 BBC.
@@FabRaceModRepeat after building these engines for 5 decades or more! I still build and race a few configuration of 352, 390, 410 and 427 + size engines and have used just about every head including tunnel ports. I have had amazing results, it would be hard to have Ls based engines beat one up
@@FabRaceModRepeat I remember working on these when I was young. Very crude looking engine in comparison to GM's offerings. Even the brackets and especially the air cleaner looked like they were designed and manufactured in Yugoslovia. If your wrench slipped, you were bound to hit something sharp and cut yourself for sure. Even the color they chose was ugly and uninspiring.
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I think these engines have been very over looked for a Very long time. I remember when most every one in our neighbor hood had one in some size or another.
Great video, keep up the good work!
I don’t think it is so much overlooked, as it is not written about. they’ve always had a very solid following since they dropped out of production.
You mean you don’t want to hear about 302 or 351W engines anymore?? 😂😂
@@bigmike2149
Lol
No actually i'm fine with those as well, but I am a big FE fan. I'm waiting for FRMR to do some of those as a complete build or maybe a 460 build.
My Bud put a set of these on his 427- 55 Ford. He picked up over a half second on his first run. Went from 10.50 to 9.90. Since he still was running drum brakes in the rear. He needed to upgrade to continue the learning curve. Since he has been building FE engines for decades, his recommendation means tons to any knowledgeable racer. These are good heads.
Indeed they are!
Yea ported head. They dont flow any better then a stock head
I am getting them bad boys for my 76 f-150 this year. 😎😏💪🏽
Alejandro Flores-Samaniego
Nice!
I found it was cheaper to buy these rather than have my old heads gone through hardened seats, etc.
The Eddys are nice, but I ended up going with the new TrickFlows for the FE.
I’m gonna have to try of set of trick flows at some point
@@FabRaceModRepeat well, I was going to go with the Eddy 60069 heads but they were on back order so… I did some more research and came across the TFs. Apparently they have some great flow. Definitely worth checking out.
@@FabRaceModRepeat Edelbrock went to the Comp group and I afraid of all of the old cars going away. I hope they modernize them and keep selling them. The Trick Flow and BBMs are really good too. But Blair Patrick beat a 427 Chevy at Emc with iron C4AEg heads with 400 ci a few yrs ago, wedge ain’t bad.
@@Bbbbad724
I hear ya. And I’ve been hearing that more and more. About things going away. That’s why we support and vote; to help insure those things don’t happen.
I still love the eddys however. I just ordered a different set for FE build #2 which I hope to start on soon. We just need a few more parts.
@@FabRaceModRepeat I really think that we should petition the Comp Group to keep a set of heads and intakes for all of those vintage engines. Ed could do a TF or BBM chamber and the FE, Pontiac, Olds, Buick Mopar and AMC can still be built all motor with good heads, 461-468 cubes where all the muscle cars live with 4.25 strokes and weigh the same as a 351W and be genuine, no need for an LS or any of the new stuff. Tom Lucas is still running a dump truck FT block at 4.185x 4.25 and making 750 hp. From a 1974 391 block and CNCd Edelbrock. He was doing it before the same displacement with iron C4AE-G heads he ported himself, 764hp. The Pontiacs with the same kind of stroker kit with the same H beam forged 4340 6.8 rods with 2.2 rod journal’s just like thexFE runs for a sweet 1.6 rod ratio. Ed made great heads and intakes for them too. If they know where the bread is buttered don’t forget us.
FE makes me Fast Eddie! Yarrrrr
Do these fit both a 360 or 390 Fe?
SO how much weight will you save off the cast iron stock heads?
i understand an aluminum intake saves over 50lbs so another 50 on the heads plus 50 extra hp should be very noticeable even on my F150
@@WilliamMunny-d8s
The Edelbrock’s weigh slightly more than half; the weight of the cast iron head.
Yes they fit both engines..
Another question, why not design the exhaust ports on the FE heads round ???
It could be done with a specifically cast head.
@@FabRaceModRepeat Granted, why not cast the Aluminum heads with round ports???
I wouldn't screw around with em, I'd just bolt em on and have fun.
Thanks for watching!
You can simply bolt them on. However there is a more in those heads with a little work.
@@FabRaceModRepeat How can little 170cc ports feed a 400+ ci engine? Even small block Chevy heads go all the way up to 227cc (let's not get into the 18 degree stuff). Even the fancy pants new Trick Flow FEs are only 190cc. What's that good for, 500 hp?
@@jeffrykopis5468
This setup will be in the 400-430hp area when it’s all tuned up. Nice little spirited street driver/track day ride.
Perfect. @@FabRaceModRepeat
The 427 heads will fit. The intakes are biased towards the intake, a .030 over 390 they will fit.
The smaller valve 427 heads will fit. The high riser and big valve medium riser usually hit the deck
@@FabRaceModRepeat The MR and TP are spread apart.080 . The LR CJ and I m not sure on HR. But the LR and CJ you can put 2.185 intake valves in it because of the valve bias. .030 over with a little clearance they will go and.060 over the 2.185 /1.65 will fit, and man do they go, My street racing trick for today. A good clearance check everywhere but I have done it. I am crazy, so I have done it, but it is not a guarantee. Lol. I got a pair of iron heads flowing 315/ 205.
I still love them, and I hope since Vic died they will keep making them. For the money folks they really are the best for the money!
I sold my Edelbrocks and bought a set of Felony heads from Survival Motorsports. They're good for 600HP out of the box. The Edelbrocks won't go much over 450HP. Only downside is it took a long time to get them after paying for them!
Daniel Smart
Felonies are pricey. However they are a good head by all accounts. I hope to get a set at some point or maybe one of my clients will be patient enough to get a set.
The new trick flows look promising as well.
For now I’ll stick with Edelbrock’s as the performance per dollar choice. I’ve gotten a 410 well over 500hp with Edelbrock’s and some hefty port work.
Agree - Edelbrock has not kept up. Felony or BBM offer better options.
What about Shelby American FE heads with 2.25 intake and 1.625 exhaust ???
@@ronsmith7739 Ford wasn't smart enough to clearance the block for that big of a valve, hell even a 396 Chevy bore is clearanced enough to run 2.19 and 1.88 valves. You just have to bore it huge.
@@davidkeeton6716 Ford had an amazing idea in the very beginning. The cast the heads with the bias of favoring the intake side and the 13 degree angle that can allow an iron head from any FE cast to fit 2.2 intake valves with a small clearance of the block done by the builder, and a 1.6 exhaust valve that flows as much as a 396/427, because exhaust just wants out. I have made 60O hp with the 61 small chamber head on a.060 over 390. Stock rods and crank rod a flat tappet solid. 2.185/1.65 valves no clearance cut on the block. It ran on pump premium 94octane. This was 69 390 block and crank at .060 over the early hi-po head that had the Yates chambers they had back then and we are now putting on the best FE heads. That engine made so much torque with the hp, amazing how smart those guys were in 1956 when were designing this to replace the 317-368. These heads are the same casting intended for the 352 Police engine. It was on the 352 a 4 inch bore with 2.02/ 1.55 valves. And it would walk over the 348 MK1. Ford stepped on their dick with the Dshape chamber, but they were afraid of these on the street because they know what they could do. It is coming back as the Felony heads the Trick Flow, BBM but they owe those guys from the 50s. I want to do a boosted mild 461 with a 4.155 bore and 4.25 stroke. The 429 is the competitor for the BBC, but the FE can do it. The Safety and Bean Counters at Ford messed it up .
I didn't see if you mention it when the newer style spark plugs all the old stuff the big fat plugs, actually the cast-iron heads don't weigh that much but that cast iron intake had to go!
The manifold is definitely most of the weight. The weight savings on the heads isn’t that big. However if you have it in a mustang or fairlane every bit you take off the front helps.
What size on intake valve and exhaust valves ???
We went with the out of the box 2.09 intake and 1.66 exhaust on this setup.
Thanks for watching
If you want bigger valves like in a big block Chevy, you will probably have to order some from ProMaxx or Survival Motorsports. Anything bigger than 2.06 and you have to bore it pretty big, like 428 size, 4.13" and hope you don't hit water and have to put a sleeve in the holes that do hit water. Don't be scared of sleeves. I've run them on street and race cars and had no trouble. Think about it, 18 wheeler diesel engines all have sleeves and go a million or more miles between overhauls. And some of those motors make so much torque they have to put a 1" thick plate, the length of the oil pan to keep the block from twisting (Cat) most don't have or need it.
@@FabRaceModRepeat Thank you, sometimes they move real quick on the video !!
How about weight of these compared to stock cast iron heads?
They weigh a little less than half of a cast iron set.
F E stands for F!@#$%^& Expensive.
LOL
Isn't that what they all stand for!!!
speed costs. how fast do you want to go?
@@FabRaceModRepeat I agree, but if 500 hp is your goal a well done 390 can be a cheap date. It is a myth that a. 500 hp FE can’t be done as cheap as anything out there. Going for 600-900 gets a hair costly, but doesn’t any platform for real?
FE engine had sodium ex valve
What about the stock valve job? Any good?
CPR FORD GARAGE
I’ve installed about 7 sets of these heads so far. They’ve been good except for one pair that I had to touch up a bit. The line was good however it was closer to the edge of the valve than I like. As a general rule we always check the valve job on any head before we install it.
The FE did a nice job at LaMans……
They did a nice job most every where they ran them.
Hard to imagine expendable hi-riser 427's, $.019 cent 100 octane.
@@grandcrappy
My dads friend purchased 8 of them at the Holman and moody close out for $650 or $750 each, complete carb to pan on shipping pallet ready to oil and run.
@@FabRaceModRepeat ha, we can't imagine 'at now. Shelby also sold raced 427 Cobras for $4k. An ultra-rare GT-40's now bring price equal to a well-optioned Beechcraft King Air multi-turbine aircraft.
@@grandcrappy
It really seems odd some times at what it all goes for now, as someone who remembers a time when you couldn’t give them away.
That's what I hear, However, When you've ordered (and paid for a pair) through Summit in April of 2021 and you're told delivery will be in June, then July, then September, then October and now January of 2022. So if you can't get them what good are they. It's Not Summit's fault, it's all on Edelbrock. Very Disappointed in Edelbrock at this point.
I understand your frustration.
There’s lots of stuff going on in the world as you know, plus the Edelbrock/COMP merger.
However they are not the only ones with supply problems, it’s industry wide. It really is starting to effect the average racer/enthusiast.
@@FabRaceModRepeat Welcome to the new norm.... Let's Go Brandon!
I'm in the same boat as you only with Jegs. Edelbrock told me 2 days ago that they are moving their operations from commiefornia to Olive Branch Mississippi, that's part of the delay and they also blame their aluminum supplier. I started in September and they are talking maybe August. Jeez.
I Absolutely am aware of whats going on with the supply chain issues. Having said that, I was intially told it was because Edelbrock was moving foundries, then it was because the springs weren't coming from Asia, then the merger and Edelbrock sent me an email I still have saying the heads were now available and then within days they weren't. I'm in my eleventh month since I ordered my heads and since I wrote my first reply they moved my expected delivery date from January 27, 22 to February 10th 22 and its currently March 4th of 22. Frustrating as all hell. Pretty sure it's Not Brandon's fault.
what does a job like this out the door cost?
ramiram84
If the heads are new the port work from the other video is $600, 700 if they’ve been run.
If we need to redo the valve job that’s another $100.
And of course the cost of the heads if you don’t already have them. That varies a little depending on which heads you buy.
@@FabRaceModRepeat THX FOR REPLY. I wouldnt have the heads. So exactly what you did there sir in the video. Thanks!
-sam
ramiram84
Those heads run $1520.
@@FabRaceModRepeat hello. please email me a quote to ramiram1984@gmail.com (zip 93111)
Doubt there the BEST head for an FE
Martin Ellul
I said “for the price”
they’re the best
@@FabRaceModRepeat Sorry mate, i was just replying to the thumbnail that said the best fe head
If you get the bare NHRA head to port, Blair Patrick Racing can build you a Super Stock Engine from them. Heck he won vintage EMC with a 399 ci FE with factory iron heads over a 427 BBC.
Always been told FE stood for Ford Engine. Not Ford Edsel.
That’s a common misconception because it fits so well. 😁
Just like the 368 and 430 Lincoln engines were, “MEL” engines. IE: Mercury Edsel and Lincoln.
That’s right fe for Ford Edsel
yes the fe stands for the ford engine not edsel google it.thanks
- nick
Nicholas Arrigo
Googles wrong on this one
@@nicholasarrigo3733 fe stands for Ford Edsel, not ford engine
There are. Way better heads out there. Eld’s chambers are antiquated AFR OR BBM MUCH BETTER
Thomas Butcher:
I said best head for the price. I plan to try some of the more modern ones on a coming build.
@@FabRaceModRepeat after building these engines for 5 decades or more! I still build and race a few configuration of 352, 390, 410 and 427 + size engines and have used just about every head including tunnel ports.
I have had amazing results, it would be hard to have Ls based engines beat one up
FE is an ugly industrial looking engine. Sharp corners all over...
Michael Angelo
Kinda, however very effective.
@@FabRaceModRepeat I remember working on these when I was young. Very crude looking engine in comparison to GM's offerings.
Even the brackets and especially the air cleaner looked like they were designed and manufactured in Yugoslovia. If your wrench slipped, you were bound to hit something sharp and cut yourself for sure.
Even the color they chose was ugly and uninspiring.
@@michaelangelo8001 Yugoslavia made some good shit in the 60s and 70s. Heck, space program alone was far more advanced than USA :)
@@michaelangelo8001 Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder.
@@benjamincochran6355 Depends on the beholder's level of taste and experience...