Disapproving Gowasu: *showing Zamasu some Namekians or a competent race with a good moral compass* Approving Gowasu: *Showing Zamasu a group of barbaric savages beating the hell out of each other*
@@MrChillaxin2010piccolo is a part of kami and he used to be evil but changed over time. He would have not existed if his father never put his life and essence into his last egg so zamasu in some departments has a wrong point of view.
@@andrewgarfield9898 Zamasu is as deserving of coming back as Piccolo or Vegeta. He was the Gul Dukat of Dragonball victims. In short he had point a lot of the time.
@@AkaiKnight Zamasu isn't a child. He might still be inexperienced in the whole Kaio-Shin business, but he's still an adult, one with some good arguments. Gowasu could have easily prevented mass genocide had he been better at defending his own point.
@@AkaiKnightThat is the same fallacy that Gowasu fell for, and regrets at the end of the arc. He may not have had your same sentiments but he thought simply telling Zamasu "remember, it's not your job to destroy" would be a satisfactory response when in reality Zamasu needed proper, reasonable guidance to dissuade his doubts. An actual debate is what he needed.
The funny thing about this is that Zamasu's spiral really is just the result of Gowasu being a terrible teacher. It's clear that at least early on, much of Zamasu's rage stems from the fact that he's essentially being told to stand by and do nothing in the face of the genuine cruelty and evil of the world. What if Gowasu had tasked Zamasu with a world and asked him to personally teach them moral values and see them rise to a high mortal level? Zamasu would be able to see mortals' potential when given proper guidance and patience, and he likely would have found an outlet for a lot of his frustration and resentment by actually having an opportunity to fix something. L Gowasu.
Yeeeeeah bit of misstep to see your disciple having doubts about the projected purpose of mortals and their morals and decide to take him to a planet dominated by fucking Neanderthals
I am pretty sure that gowasu wasn't the only One Who committed mistakes from what i understand he already saw this "scenario" countless times because he was the north Kai of his universe so its understable
@@CeeDoubleU Fair, but I think it would've been far more compelling if Zamasu got a chance to fix things the right way and just repeatedly failed for one reason or another. Maybe some of them are his own fault but he doesn't have the humility to admit that, or maybe some of them really are just because the world he is tasked with really just can't be saved. It'd be nice to see his downward spiral as he tries to be a good kai and just repeatedly fails until he eventually comes to the conclusion that mortals are the problem and that there truly is no salvation for them. Then it could be a really cool point later for someone like Shin to just point out that the problem was not with mortals as a whole, but with Zamasu and his sheer incompetence as a kai.
Shout out to James Marsters doing an amazing dub voice for Zamasu. I still can’t believe he went from being in the terrible Dragonball Evolution movie to doing such a great job in Super
Ikr? His performance as Zamasu was awesome. The talent was there, he just needed to have a role that was actually worthy of his talent, unlike the awful live action Dragon Ball movie (which I tortured myself by watching, that’s 1 hour 30 minutes of my life I’ll never get back)
except he really did. But just like all the things he disdained, he was a hypocrite all the same. Neither wrong nor right, just banging in the wind uselessly and pointlessly like all the rest of reality. Born pointless, end pointlessly, fully in the belief that their thoughts are right and true. @ex-caliburn-real
Zamasu shouldn't be considered a *"villain"* but more like *"divine right radical". A "villain"* would be somebody like Frieza, Kid Buu, Early Vegeta, Moro etc. A *"divine right radical"* is the same level of danger as a *"villain"* tho.
He's a villain because he wanted to get rid of ALL mortals, even the good ones. Just like how Eren is a villain because he wanted to get rid of ALL Marleyans, even the good ones.
Zamasu is very different from the other DB villains... Frieza has a distain for Saiyans due to fear of them overpowering him which gave him a reason to destroy Planet Vegeta and wishes to destroy the remaining Saiyans being Goku and Vegeta. Cell (at first) wanted to reach his perfect form and once that was accomplished, he wanted to wreak havoc on worlds to show and prove how he was a "Perfect Being". Fat Buu was a menace who liked fighting, destruction and eating sweet foods. Super Buu wanted a challenge and to fight earth's strongest fighters And Kid Buu simply wanted to beat Goku and Vegetas assess But Zamasu was different, he didn't become a villain out of fear of mortal's overpowering kai's, not to reach some kind of higher power, not for self gain and not blindly causing destruction. He did this because he saw how mortal's took their gifts for granted. Lives to cherish Minds for wisdom yet they waste it all on useless fighting and useless wars and in the process, destroy everything they see. He saw mortal's as a wasted potential, like giving a kid a toy then watching him destroy it the moment it leaves his hand and they get they're hands on it. The countless times he's watch the mortal's participate in countless and useless wars, bicker over politcs and pay 29.99 for a girl's onlyfans when the hub is free has opened his eyes on how they wasted the gifts given to them.
Zamasu is an interesting antagonist because he's essentially asking a question that has no answer. He sees humanity (mortals) as flawed and imperfect, with special attention paid to the nature of cycles. As an immortal being, he has to either resign himself to watching the same struggles and hardships repeat over and over (war, famine, etc.) or put an end to it. He isn't wrong about his observations, but he's come to a nihilistic mindset that makes him think that the presence of evil in the multiverse sullies everything that is good. The problem with this is that he cannot see the beauty in the balance. I've long been of the opinion that beautiful things are that way not because they are perfect but because they contain some interesting balance or juxtaposition. The sea is beautiful not because it is simply pretty but because it is both majestic and terrifying. The sea can be tranquil and calm or it can be wrathful and violent, but either way it is beautiful. Humans (mortals) are the same, with capacity for both wisdom and cruelty. The beauty lies in human nature always *trying* to be better and never fully succumbing to evil. Evil may return again and again, but it will never truly reign supreme. Zamasu accidentally proves this very law by becoming the evil that mortals would have to combat to survive. The ending of this arc is truly tragic and honestly just disturbing given everything I mentioned. Zamasu was a deity and thus his hatred warped the very fabric of his universe so much that it had to be erased to end its suffering. It's the natural conclusion of a nihilistic god becoming so powerful, but even then just a few mortals survived and continued on - it's a small consolation, but at least Zamasu was not able to realise his nihilistic idealogy into reality.
I really like your point of view here and it really makes sense as well. What makes thing’s beautiful is indeed the complexity or sometimes simplicity of things. The fact that it has many different factors make it so that it has many different aspects. Those aspects would make majority view it as beautiful as the rest would probably fear it. I know many people think similar to Zamasu in a different sense. Zamasu is asking his purpose in the beginning and eventually comes to the conclusion that mortals are evil and some can eventually become strong enough to cause damage beyond their society. Every human in this world have also questioned their own existence and came to their own understanding of it. Some turn to religion, some turn to nihilism, some dedicate their life to helping others, some become only caring of themselves, etc. in the end, there is no wrong answer. it really shows that the question is not wrong to ask. It is only the way on how you interpret your answer that can be interpreted as good or evil. Zamasu actually had great potential to be one of the greatest destroyers in the whole multiverse with his ideological views if he managed to also learn when it was right to destroy or not.
All are facts, war is a repeated human cycle. These scenes makes one almost forget that Zamasu became pure evil (let alone alone one of the most evil fictional characters of all time).
Exactly! I agree with you. I can see why you love Zamasu so much, he’s a really good villain. He is still a bad guy at the end of the day. He’s a massive hypocrite, his actions are not justified. The way he executed his plan was not the right way and his actions are extremely wrong. However we can’t deny the fact that his logic is right. He does actually make some good points, and it makes him a good example of a villain who is both pure evil but yet also understandable and relatable. Good intentions can lead the road to evil, but Zamasu is definitely right about some things. It’s also quite sad since it seems like he actually genuinely cared about Gowasu before what he did. Makes you feel bad for Gowasu.
@@ShadowDante7 Agreed. Zamasu is a perfect example of a pure evil villain with understandable motives. His motives and backstory makes him one of the most interesting villains of all time. Some villains lust for power (Frieza), some simply choose to be evil out of sadism despite having moral agency issues at first (Cell and Super Buu), others are cowardly (Babidi). His actions also foreshadow the tournament of power saga where mortals are forced to fight one another and if they lose, their universe gets erased. It proves Zamasu’s point on mortals (that is of course until Zeno revealed the tournament was a test to see if the mortals have high moral standards, which turned out to be true). All in all, despite being one of the most evil villains of all time and even being considered a “hate sink”, he was well written.
@@CalamityLegend for sure. He is easily the best villain from Dragon Ball Super imo. I like his motivations and backstory a lot, and it differs from other Dragon Ball villains too. That’s also true. It just shows that humans constantly fight and war against each other and Zamasu sees this and wants to put an end to it. That’s what makes him a great villain. He might be one of the most evil fictional characters and the most evil Dragon Ball character (perhaps even the most evil anime character) but he’s still an interesting villain that is understandable. Personally I never really found him hate sink though lol but I can see why he is.
@@ShadowDante7 Once again, I agree with you on everything you just said there. The reason why he’s a hate sink is because he’s very personal and vile to the heroes (such as sadistically mocking Goku for killing Chi-Chi and Goten and brutally murdering Bulma), also practically getting away with wiping out all lives in the multiverse and nearly destroying all the timelines until Zeno erased him. It makes one wonder why he’s on the Hate Sink wiki, but not Ridley; who, in my opinion is more hateful.
@@CalamityLegend yeah I understand why he is hate sink, I just find it a bit strange that he is but other villains aren’t. I think Zamasu has some evil is cool moments. Plus he is an interesting villain. Other Dragon Ball villains like Frieza also had hate sink moments too. I also agree with you that Ridley is probably more hateful too
There's one thing Zamasu is absolutely right about, which is that mortals just shouldn't be able to get as powerful as the gods themselves. If Goku ever turned evil no one would be able to stop him from completely tearing the universe apart, Goku Black is proof of that.
lets notice that what he said happened at the end, kid buu killed various gods and was a treat to the multiverse, same goes for moro the guy was about to nuke the entire universe/universes (by following right manga translations) and the gods weren't able to stop them
@@ale895 yeah, he pretty much pointed It out when he was fighting vegito, that's why he said he Is using both failure of the gods (zamasu was raised by gods Who can't do their purpose correctly in fact he Is using himself to represent that) and the mortals (Saiyans like Goku are the perfect example of uncontrolled power, stupidity and too much kindness from the gods themselves ), he had some good points, kais and gods of destruction barely did their job correctly, without rules and order mortals were leaves at themself and this caused destruction, we saw in the moro that the gods shouldn't be so neutral but help the mortals to evolve (like merus, the fat Kai etc..), zamasu was using this symbols to nit forget what the past mistakes were and later he would have forged a new universe/universes with It ( i think if he would have won he would have tried to create new life forms and a new system from zero, i mean kais have creations Power they can create planets,stars, life forms etc..)
@@vincememes not really at that time and even right now, they said multiple times that they don't want to become gods of destruction but only to elevate to new lvl of powers, zamasu saw how foolish they were acting (at least this Is what he think) and decided to act, he was worrying what would have happened if mortal with such power would have goes against the gods and becoming too powerful that even the universe could have be destroyed by It, at the beginning of super we saw how powerful God ki Is, Imagine It in the hands of evil, its ironic in part because zamasu basically predicted It, moro, majin buu, they were treats that even the gods couldn't stop (Majin buu for the kais and for moro he became so powerful that he was about to nuke different universes by following good manga translations ), there are others motivations for zamasu to act but its a long argument tbh, there Is a guy Who explained pretty well his character i can link a video if you want or like It
Zamasu reminds me of when Sensui watched Chapter Black in Yu Yu Hakusho. Chapter Black (a video of all human evil) is supposed to be watched along with Chapter White( a video of humans greatest triumphs) but he only saw Chapter Black so he didn't see as much of the good. Gowasu was in the wrong for only showing Zamasu the evil of mortals and not the good.
Well for what we know not all the universe were as advanced as "universe 7", but what gowasu wanted to show at zamasu was that with time creatures can change and evolve,but sadly not all of them (i mean zamasu for how Extreme his metods were he said the truth, for example we humans continue to evolve but at the end we return on our feet and kill each others for power, religion or some piece of land, when we are one race at the end that should help each others to evolve and stay in peace, instead we do the opposite)
Also Sensui like Zamasu had sacred godlike energy, had multiple personalities and fought the protagonist with godlike power. In Sensui's case Yusuke was a demon or half demon.
Worse for sensui: seeing some of the worst horrors of humanity first hand and that being introduced to one with such a black and white view as his _shattered_ him. Like damn.
In my point of view Zamasu is the product of a terrible teacher. Gowasu never really challenged Zamasu's beliefs or tried to show him the worth of mortals outside of just expecting him to agree without actually being taught why. For fucks sake, when his student asked him if he could prove mortals were anything more than savage barbarians he too him to a planet with mortals that are literally called Barbarians.
Fun fact in the manga, there is an extra scene, when they were on the planet of the barbarians. where when Zamasu was distracted, fighting that big barbarian, Gowasu witnessed a hooded figure, possibly the leader of the barbarians, split up the fight and all of the other barbarians, bowing down to the hooded figure, implying that they are much more complex then just being brutal killers. Kind of strange they didn’t include this to the anime, I feel like that would’ve been a needed scene.
Zamasu would’ve been a great God of Destruction, had he been taken down that path instead of the path of a Supreme Kai. He had the perfect mindset for one: Certain mortals are bad to keep around, so they should be destroyed. But since he was trained to be a Supreme Kai, he just continued to watch mortals, which eventually led to his mind becoming corrupted, making him become an even bigger problem for the universe than mortals ever were.
Late reply, but i do think his teacher didn't help and felt like he wasn't a good fit for him. It was obviously a really bad choice to have Zamasu watch primitive creatures fight each other and i don't understand why his teacher kept making him watch that and completely ignore how much it was effecting him and not thinking of trying something else to show him. While we saw the primitive creatures slowly become a civilization, he was being forced to watch them hurt and kill each other over and over, to do what? just slowly watch them barely change after thousands of years have passed? I think he should of been taken to places were civilization was already up and running and modern. To see people living and interacting with each other peacefully. Let him see the good stuff then show him the bad stuff after so he can see for himself that people/creatures can change and how much they have changed. I saw another comment suggesting that his teacher should of had Zamasu try and make his own civilization and cultivate a planet with high moral level or something. And i think trying that is a better solution than making him watch brutes that can't talk at all. I also thought at one point while watching the show about how good he would be as a god of destruction. He wouldn't be lazy like beerus that's for sure. And he would be able to vent out his frustration by just doing his job and not be harassed by people telling him what they think is good and bad
@@lackamoo965 But he’s in Universe 10, so that wouldn’t happen unless he was still corrupt and decided to go through with the Zero Mortals Plan after becoming a Destroyer.
@@lackamoo965 There wouldn't even be a Dragon Ball to watch. Zamasu would not allow the Saiyan Race to exist, nor Freeza to run rampant and destroy good civilizations.
I like how every discussion had with Zamasu pertaining to mortals involves tea in some manner, representing what is going through Zamasu’s head at any given moment. He first starts making the pure, clear tea, showing that his mind is pure and without anxiety or question. Then he starts asking questions about what’s going on in the world, about mortals and their actions, making the tea clouded with dark streaks showing where his thought process is going. Then you get the pure black tea, a bitter reminder not only of the sociopathic mindset Zamasu’s is nourishing, but also foretelling where this Zamasu will eventually end up(he becomes Goku Black). Then it goes back to being pure again, no darkness present, showing either that he has masked his sociopathy with just motives, or that he is truly a pure hearted being whose sense of Justice has become extreme.
And on this note, now I feel like drinking some tea, which I might make myself some later lol. But yes, it does show us how Zamasu changes. Technically, he is still “pure of heart” even if he’s also pure evil. Even if his actions are clearly not the right thing to do, he believes that it is. This also means that hypothetically he could probably ride the flying nimbus. It goes to show us that “pure heart” and “pure good” are not the same thing.
Let's be honest here, none of the Z villains even remotely compare to him, unless you count Vegeta, who was only interesting because of his character development and not his role as a villain. The rest were just evil just because mostly.
Honestly think Zamasu is more complex than villains from Z also. Especially Frieza and Buu. Only ones I think were as complex was Android 16,17, and 18
@@duolingoowl920 dbs is horrible, Zamasu was horrible, the future trunks arc was overall horrible. not to mention dbz villains were quite literally the reincarnation of evil, Buu for example. Zamasus hole plot was "oh I hate mortals, only gods should exist blah blah." not to mention how a majority of ppl saying dbz villains are horrible never watched dbz lol.
Zamasu's garden analogy completely flies in the face of his ideals. A gardener does pluck the unsightly weeds, but they also help the plants grow. Feed it, love it, and give it every opportunity to grow from the seeds that he plants. Zamasu should be guiding the mortals in the way he feels works. The civilizations that don't comply should be left to the destroyer God. He's not a gardner. A gardner doesn't torch the entire garden because a few dandelions showed up.
@@Zepheyrus right or not, he's a hypocrite he downplays mortals for their thirst for power, but then goes powerhungry after killing something for the first time
@@gxalcremieshiny4229 He didn't go power hungry, lmao? He killed Gowasu after coming to the conclusion all mortals should die. He gained immortality, stole Goku's body, and started wiping them out. Can't save the universe without getting your hands dirty.
@@JohnDelayLi I think you kinda misunderstood Zamasu, from my point of view, atleast. Zamasu WAS all about "correcting and saving the universe" at first. But you could tell after he killed that monster, that sigh was full of ecstasy. He felt enjoyment in killing. Also you could tell when he was fighting against Goku and Vegeta, that he truly wanted to achieve a higher form of power, saying stuff like "Yes, the pain will only make me stronger" he wanted universal salvation at first, but after killing he just wanted more of death. "just getting his hands dirty" was no issue, cuz he enjoyed every last second of it, I mean, you have SEEN the massive grins and smiles Zamasu and Goku Black had on their faces, right? in short, he lost his goal after going power-hungry
@@tada8874 As kids we love the heroes, but as adults we understand the villains. This is why we enjoy villains more than heroes, because they relate more to us. Usually heroes are portrayed as perfect, whereas heroes aren’t, just like us, humans. Also, some villains have valid points, but they take it too far. Zamasu feels like a villain who came straight from Legend of Korra.
@@unromanoarecareanaveragero8275 Heroes were designed during the great depression to bring hope Nowadays so many adults are hopeless that they'd find it easier to be evil It also doesn't help that since most villains are sympathetic and relatable it drives in the idea that all people are evil bastards
Realized from the comments people dont realize the irony of his character. He wants to end violents, used violents. Wanted to end evil, became evil. Hated Goku, became Goku. Sought to end corruption in the universe, actually corrupted existence itself.
I'm pretty sure Zuno would have mentioned Frieza to Zamasu when he asks to know literally everything about Goku. I think this is the point where Zamasu was truly lost. I think anyone would look at Goku and decide Goku has done good for the sake of his friends, Earth and Namek in general, and his love of fighting, which also explains to Zamasu why he's so strong, and just left it at that. Zamasu saw that and was like "I NEED THAT SHIT, and still fuck mortals" xD
I would say you are right, But what he is doing is killing all for the mistakes of the many, while killing the innocent few as well…it’s a more hatred filled Mindset than anything else…less Justice, and more Disgust….It’s kinna like seeing one country filled with Thieves and Murderers, and saying “All Countries are that way”
Zamasu: I don't see why the primitive mortals should exist if all they do is bring chaos and ruin. Gowasu: I see your point, but just to prove that every mortal should be given a shot on their justification of choice and life, I want to show you just that- *Proceeds to show the very doubtful student a race of literal primitive mortals savagely killing one another* Gowasu: See? Everyone should have a chance. You understand now right? Zamasu: ....oh. Oh I understand all right.... *hand starts to glow behind his teacher's back*
The only difference is that while thanks wanted to balance out the universe by wiping out half of it (which makes no sense logically) whereas zamasu wanted to wipe out all mortals in the multiverse to obtain true and everlasting peace.
Zamasu should've been a destroyer instead of a kai maybe underneath a destroyer he could've learned control and forged a better path punishing those who deserve it
Absolutely, he defenitley seems to fit the role of someone who plucks the weeds instead of an idle gardener watching them grow out of control. It's just Zamasu saw all plantlife as weeds
@@archieness2304That’s so dumb. People do evil all the time thinking that what they’ll eventually get is good. No Evil is done without first believing that it is to achieve good. Adolf Hitler believed he was doing Good by eliminating the “jewish scourge” and allowing the Aryan Race to thrive, but in the end he was really the greatest example of evil. By this logic, even the most rotten of beings are good. Tl;dr: actions are louder than words or beliefs.
I think he incorporate both what we humans are and what we could do as a unite race, zamasu wanted a multiverse in peace but at the end he became what he was trying to destroy, his character started with good ideals but the more the arc progress the more crazy he become
Zamasu said that a garden should be tended, not watched, and he isn't entirely wrong. However, it must be watched first, so that you can pluck out the weeds before they spread throughout the entire garden. Destroying the entire garden, just to remove one or two weeds, is foolish. Which is ironic, because that would make zamasu foolish, and he's the one with that "foolish mortals!" attitude. Gowasu didn't help either. He has shown zamasu all the cons mortals can do, but he never showed to him the pros. He would also let evil prosper, because he believes that they cannot interfere. It is true the garden needs to be watched, but also tended, so that the entire garden isn't infested with weeds. If only gowasu showed to zamasu what mortals can do that are more than just death, wars and destruction, at the very least, zamasu wouldn't kill him, and he'd probably be a bit more hesitant to black's offer.
The answer Gowasu should have given Zamasu is simple: "Reality is this way because Omni-King Zeno said so and willed us all into being in an instant, and could just as easily will us out of existence if we decided we think we know better. So shut the drink your tea before you get *squished*"
Zamasu: Mortals are barbaric monsters Gowasu: I know how to fix this misconception and save my student from walking down a terrible path *takes Zamasu to a planet where the mortals are barbaric monsters* Gowasu: see, this is why we need to protect mortals, so they can do this
My dude signed up for the wrong school. Should have gone to Beerus instead... After all if you wanna do swift divine justice with you being the judge then be a destroyer. Not a Kai... Oh well rip one of the villains that actually had a personality, crazy as he was at least he stood out a lot to me.
Zamasu has a good point, sadly everything he said is not true. It's right humans destroy, as he said they spread corruption, but by doing so, humans that have done something nice is going to waste, even from failure humans try to achieve something good. In my conclusion Zamasu is too arrogant to see things completely.
@@ShadowDante7"I LOOK DOWN ON EXISTENCE ON A MUCH HIGHER PERSPECTIVE THEN YOU DO! I WITNESS THIS WORLD, THIS UNIVERSE, AND THE TRUTH OF ALL THINGS!"
BRO, IF HUMANITY WANTED TO GET THEIR S*** TOGETHER THEY WOULD HAVE DONE SO. HISTORY PROVES THIS. HOW ARE YOU NOT SEEING PARALLELS? ZAMASU IS A GOD. AS A GOD OF CREATION IT'S FUTILE EXERCISE TO WATCH YOUR GARDEN & NOT TENDER TO THEM BY PLUCKING OUT THE WEEDS.
I honestly see some of his critiques of mortals, what he fails to understand is that he is so haughty about it all. He doesn’t even realize he is the problem, he’s the issue, he’s the absolute evil in the arc.
My biggest question is "why, why does the nature of mortals take their blessings for granted" my answer is the fact that as we exist we are confused as to why we exist and are too busy trying figure out our purpose or distract ourselves from our woes. Its sad our gifts are right there, yet we cannot focus on them almost at all
In the realm of gods and mortals, a tragic tale unfolds, Of a divine soul corrupted, and justice turned cold. Zamasu, once a guardian, pure and serene, Became the harbinger of darkness, fueled by a twisted dream. He saw in mortals a flaw, a blight on creation's face, Their fleeting lives, their sins, a disgrace. In his heart, a seed of hatred took root, Nurtured by despair, blossoming into bitter fruit. Through the body of a Saiyan, his wrath was expressed, Goku Black emerged, a force to be addressed. With Goku's face, yet devoid of his light, He waged a war against mortals, against life itself, with might. The skies turned crimson, and hope was eclipsed, As Zamasu's vision of justice, by blood was eclipsed. He sought to cleanse the universe, to make it pure, But in his quest, his own soul he could not endure. For in the end, his godly heart was consumed, By the very darkness he sought to exhume. A tragedy of arrogance, of a god's fall from grace, Zamasu, in his madness, erased his own place. He became an immortal shadow, a ghost of his own making, A villain who believed, but left the universe breaking. And so his story ends, not in victory or power, But in the ashes of dreams, in the final hour.
An immortal seeing mortals with a mortal's point of view. He would make a great mortal, ironically. If you are to see only the bad from your ivory tower, I guess what happened was not really very unexpected.
to be fair, if zamasu wouldve been just transferred to become a god of destruction trainee and learn to focus on which mortals to weed out instead of going full 0 mortal plan... he probably wouldve been the actual most effective god in dragon ball XD
1:35 reminds me of Luke 13. “And He began telling this parable: “A man had a fig tree which had been planted in his vineyard; and he came looking for fruit on it and did not find any. And he said to the vineyard-keeper, ‘Behold, for three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree without finding any. Cut it down! Why does it even use up the ground?’ And he answered and said to him, ‘Let it alone, sir, for this year too, until I dig around it and put in fertilizer; and if it bears fruit next year, fine; but if not, cut it down.’ ””
@@Necronoxicon261 🤝 And not only are they my favourite sagas, but Cell and Zamasu are also my two favourite villains and by far is what made both sagas so great for me (if we’re counting non canon villains, than Cooler tied in the top 3 with them as well)
Zamasu's early ideologies are the compass by which Gods of Destruction guide their universes toward having a high mortal level. We know that Gowasu and Rumsshi do not meet Zeno's standards, and I believe that is in no small part due to their tolerance of barbarism. Zamasu was better suited to be the disciple of a God of Destruction, not a Kai.
I've always said that Zamasu was right, given the context and how the Dragon Ball world works. Mortals here are comparable to a disease that infects and spreads for no good reason other than to corrupt and destroy. If divine beings do exist, beings of purity and harmony, why should beings with inherently flawed natures be allowed to disrupt that harmony? Not just why shouldn't they be destroyed, but why were they granted the gift of life to begin with? If you really think about it, mortals are the source of all conflict and despair in Dragon Ball. Without people like Frieza roaming around, nobody of a kind heart has any reason to risk life and limb like the protags do. There would be no conflict, and higher beings like the Kais could simply live in peace. They wouldn't have to constantly worry about stability. Granted, Kais and Destroyers exist for the sole purpose of maintaining stability in their respective universes, but it didn't have to be that way. Divine beings could have simply just existed for the sake of existing, and it could have been left at that. From the perspective of someone like Zamasu, the very existence of mortals in and of itself would seem worthless. It seems to me that if everyone could see things the way he does, death and pain could be a thing of the past. Harmony could exist once again. That said, it all comes down to what the Omni-King wishes. And I suppose he likes mortals. So it's pretty simple at that point.
Being an immortal/god doesn't exempt you from being corrupt and disrupting harmony Zamasu's existence is the whole point of that The way I see it, mortals "are allowed to exist" because they aren't really "inferior" in any way "Every seed needs time to grow", mortals just don't have that time, because they're, well, mortals Who are the gods to judge mortals? When they have infinite time whilst they don't? They're just reflections of the gods, a kind of 'made in their image' type beat, ones with just less guidance and time Whilst mortals may be the source of all evil and despair, they're also the only source of good and compassion You cannot have light without darkness, good without evil, hot without cold etc etc etc Who are the gods to judge? You don't blame a bird for having wings, you don't blame a fish for having fins They maintain balance and remain neutral because they recognize that beings with free will will naturally choose varying paths They may be pure by nature, but so are mortal babies That does not mean they are incorruptible or flawless These divine beings are inheritenly human
@@aurum3747 Not to discredit the time you put into this comment. And nothing against you or your opinion. But to me personally, that doesn't make any sense at all. I don't think you're giving the Gods enough credit for what they are. I think any conflict or malice the Gods may have, stems from mortals to begin with. And I do also disagree on the front that mortals not are inferior in some ways. If not all ways. I mean even Zamasu, who is portrayed as evil and malicious, and a "Failed God" if you will, only wants beauty and tranquility. That's his goal. And I think his thoughts process that eliminating whatever prevents that at all cost, isn't so incorrect. Also, if Mortals are just Gods without the time to develop, why not just give them indefinite lifespans? Would that not literally make them the same as Gods and completely solve the issue? Might as well give them inherent God ki too. If they aren't so very different, but one is mortal and often evil, and the other is immortal and most often good, why not just remove mortality from the equation? And finally, I do sort of disagree with the whole "No light without dark" analogy. The idea of balance works in a lot of circumstances but it seems out of place here. It's sort of an ambiguous explanation for a logical conversation. All that said though, again, nothing against you. I enjoy having these conversations about something we mutually enjoy.
@phasomyr Zamasu only wanted beauty and tranquility yes but like, so did Hitler! And plenty of other evil people out there. He justified doing terrible acts for the greater good, believing that the Aryan race was inherently superior and everything else should be eliminated for being impure and flawed. He was the scum of the earth but in the end, his ambitions were incredibly patriotic and he fought for the "good" of his people Sound familiar? You're right, I don't really give enough credit to the gods because I don't really see them as flawless Yes, Zamasu's corruption stems from his belief about ***mortals*** but the fact that he got corrupted in the first place is telltale enough that they aren't infallible If no mortals existed, he'd most certainly be the kind of guy to rally up about some other problem in the land of the kais, and the another He's inherently egotistical and narcissistic, he has that awful mentality of greater good Mortals existing just gave him a clear, big and flawed target to fuel his way of thinking The light and darkness analogy was more for the mortal side, because in eliminating all mortals you also eliminate all GOOD mortals, which most would agree, is an awful thing But, eliminating all BAD mortals sets a moral precedent, it sets hard rules on morality which is just an extremely big can of worms since the morality of acts and such actually changed based on societal rules Which is why neutrality whilst favoring the side of righteousness is the best choice imo (At least, if I were to imagine myself as some divine being) I'm not quite sure on the lore of Kais, could they do that? Could they give mortals god ki and immortality? Is that even possible? Zeno could do it I'm sure but that guy is the definition of just... "I'll do whatever the fuck I want lol" And even then, you could make the argument that mortality only enhances the vetting process of morality It's easy to be good and neutral when you have absolutely no obstacles, opposition or hardship. It brings into question, are the Kais actually pure or do they simply not face any issue that would make you otherwise? Zamasu faced the issue of his convictions differing from the norm and let his ego fester, just like a mortal, and so he got corrupted like one And likewise, wouldn't you say that a being who was born amidst such hardships, among several other corrupted ones and fated to die who chooses the path of righteousness still Is the most "good" of all? I argue completely in favor of not interfering unless necessary and like you said, it's fine if we disagree! Discussions like this really are fun, no offense is taken
Oh! And as an addendum Time to grow doesn't need to be immortality Granting immortality to all mortals is just going to let evil people continue to be evil forever The time to grow the elder kai refers to is most likely societal growth Anyone who has ever watched a video about medieval torture methods can tell you, we've come a long way Especially in the recent 100 years Abolishing slavery, granting voting rights to minorities, giving way to self expression and sexuality, condemning cruel acts that were once considering normal or expected Whilst yes, there is still an uncountable amount of evil in this world, there is no arguing against the fact that we've improved as whole and no doubt will continue improving as long as we don't set of that "kill everyone" button Every seed indeed needs time to grow Zamasu is right in the sense that ideally, there should be a gardner to pluck out the weeds, but a bad gardner would hurt the roots and kill the plant whilst doing so And the gods can very much so be bad gardners, so just keeping the balance turns out to be the most achievable growing condition After all, plants can still grow well despite weeds, if they couldn't, we wouldn't have forests!
I mean, even the divine beings of this setting are *created* things that exist to fulfill a role. They aren't the gardeners, they're the nitrogen-fixing bacteria in the soil.
When all you see is hate and corruption You are often blind to the love and justice that comes along with it Zamasu spent so much time believing he was a purely divine being that was above sin that he forgot the most important thing mortal beings are capable of and that's evolution,living creatures evolve and grow overtime,the barbarians were no exception to this,it might take them 1000s of years but eventually they might have developed a post scarcity society where everyone lives peacefully,if only their creators had been patient and took time to understand and appreciate them despite their flaws...
What is there to appreciate? we don't know a thing about the barbarians other than their enjoyment of slaughtering each other for no real reason. even WE weren't that bloodthirsty at our beginning!
Something that proves his rightness is how the tea clears at the end of his speech showing his intentions were righteous and pure of heart, not just stemming from hatred
Gowasu was a terrible teacher. He should've nipped zamasu's genocidal tendencies in the bud. Instead he didn't even properly argue with him or show him things contrary to his emerging beliefs, he just let it simmer
I still don't understand how Zeno didn't know what was going on was he asleep or something cause you think he would notice 12 kai and their destroyers suddenly dead and the the 12 angels going out of commission
Seeing how Future Trunks still existed it's clear he didn't come to the point where there were "too many universes" no idea what the heck he was doing but it clearly wasn't checking the mortal population or he would have investigated it with the Grand Priest
I dunno, if he was a GOD, he probably would've went ham with his power and started destroying everything that didn't fit his vision. The only thing I can think of as a benefit is that he'd have an Angel to hopefully rein him in, but that feels up in the air.
With that kind of power he'd surely try to wreak havoc across the multiverse, it wasn't his position that was the problem it was his arrogant and cynical mindset. While mortals are far from perfect, he was too blinded to see the good that came out of their existence and instead strictly focused on the bad. Ironically enough that view is what breeds violence and atrocities in the first place, I'm sure just about every mass shooter felt a similar way that Zamasu did before deciding to carry it out.
Imposing that life has to follow rules defined by that of a god-like being, and that said being can become just as terrible as the sentient creatures he was doggin on for being cruel? Yet because he is a "god", he thinks he cannot be fallible or wrong because of this status.
He maybe right but since he didn't bring this concern to the God of destruction of his universe him getting erased by zeno and Beerus is his own doing.
a point I've heard and liked was that Zamasu probably wouldn't have gone off the deep end if universe 10's God of Destruction actually did his job. They're supposed to be the ones that tend the garden that the Kais plant.
I still can't believe this is the guy who played Piccolo in Dragon Ball Evolution. I can understand why he wants all morals gone after having been in that film
Gowasu should've showed Zamasu a scene of a kid saving a puppy or something.
Exactly lol
that doesn't disprove anything he said
If the puppy is also mortal then Zamasu wouldn’t care less
Disapproving Gowasu: *showing Zamasu some Namekians or a competent race with a good moral compass*
Approving Gowasu: *Showing Zamasu a group of barbaric savages beating the hell out of each other*
@@MrChillaxin2010piccolo is a part of kami and he used to be evil but changed over time. He would have not existed if his father never put his life and essence into his last egg so zamasu in some departments has a wrong point of view.
“Gardens are tended. Not just watched” that line goes pretty hard in context
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That’s the Destroyer’s job.
Man zamasu is such a well written character. I wouldn’t mind if he returned 😅
Right but I don’t nuke my garden, haha.
@@andrewgarfield9898 Zamasu is as deserving of coming back as Piccolo or Vegeta. He was the Gul Dukat of Dragonball victims. In short he had point a lot of the time.
Yeah but they aren't doing there job
"Every seed needs time to grow"
"gardens are tended, not just watched should a gerdener not pluck the weeds"
best line in that arc in super
" if anger can be a source of power, then the anger that i hold greater than anyone else's makes me the strongest" goes hard too
Unfortunately he wants to strip the land entirely.
@@DarkWolf-407 well not everyone has that green thumb
@@The-Almighty775But... he is green.
@@The-Almighty775 He LITERALY has a green thumb
imagine how bad it would've gotten if Gowasu showed Zamasu a Twitter timeline.
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Humanity would definetely be extinct by him if he would have seen what people are doing on blue bird's circus.
alternate title: gowasu being ass at debates for 3 minutes straight
it's foolish to seriously entertain children in arguments they themselves wont understand.
@@AkaiKnight Zamasu isn't a child. He might still be inexperienced in the whole Kaio-Shin business, but he's still an adult, one with some good arguments. Gowasu could have easily prevented mass genocide had he been better at defending his own point.
@@AkaiKnightThat is the same fallacy that Gowasu fell for, and regrets at the end of the arc. He may not have had your same sentiments but he thought simply telling Zamasu "remember, it's not your job to destroy" would be a satisfactory response when in reality Zamasu needed proper, reasonable guidance to dissuade his doubts. An actual debate is what he needed.
Like what? go ahead and counter zamasu's point the only way to eradicate evil is by destroying the source of it aka mortals.
Gowasu should've been like: "Counterpoint... Deez Nutz"
The funny thing about this is that Zamasu's spiral really is just the result of Gowasu being a terrible teacher. It's clear that at least early on, much of Zamasu's rage stems from the fact that he's essentially being told to stand by and do nothing in the face of the genuine cruelty and evil of the world. What if Gowasu had tasked Zamasu with a world and asked him to personally teach them moral values and see them rise to a high mortal level?
Zamasu would be able to see mortals' potential when given proper guidance and patience, and he likely would have found an outlet for a lot of his frustration and resentment by actually having an opportunity to fix something.
L Gowasu.
Yeeeeeah bit of misstep to see your disciple having doubts about the projected purpose of mortals and their morals and decide to take him to a planet dominated by fucking Neanderthals
I am pretty sure that gowasu wasn't the only One Who committed mistakes from what i understand he already saw this "scenario" countless times because he was the north Kai of his universe so its understable
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@@CeeDoubleU Fair, but I think it would've been far more compelling if Zamasu got a chance to fix things the right way and just repeatedly failed for one reason or another. Maybe some of them are his own fault but he doesn't have the humility to admit that, or maybe some of them really are just because the world he is tasked with really just can't be saved.
It'd be nice to see his downward spiral as he tries to be a good kai and just repeatedly fails until he eventually comes to the conclusion that mortals are the problem and that there truly is no salvation for them.
Then it could be a really cool point later for someone like Shin to just point out that the problem was not with mortals as a whole, but with Zamasu and his sheer incompetence as a kai.
Shout out to James Marsters doing an amazing dub voice for Zamasu. I still can’t believe he went from being in the terrible Dragonball Evolution movie to doing such a great job in Super
Ikr? His performance as Zamasu was awesome. The talent was there, he just needed to have a role that was actually worthy of his talent, unlike the awful live action Dragon Ball movie (which I tortured myself by watching, that’s 1 hour 30 minutes of my life I’ll never get back)
Who did he play in the movie?
@@Sharpteeth32 Demon King Piccolo
@@ShadowDante7 Nice. Thanks.
@@Sharpteeth32 no problem
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-Zamasu (CJDaChamp Edition)
“ZAMAS! Do not think like that, boy.”
Zamasu if he actually made good arguments
"Only if you're satisfied with just any titty" - Roshi probably
The hub is known for posting minors and being the trafficking game
except he really did. But just like all the things he disdained, he was a hypocrite all the same. Neither wrong nor right, just banging in the wind uselessly and pointlessly like all the rest of reality. Born pointless, end pointlessly, fully in the belief that their thoughts are right and true. @ex-caliburn-real
I can see zamasu’s point of view, but he’s a huge hypocrite.
Well yeah exactly
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@@dezaina9961 You yourself are an hypocrite
Maybe. But tbh it was necessary for him to create a better world. You can’t change the world without getting your hands dirty
People in jurassic park: *experimenting dinosaurus*
Zamasu: pathetic mortals
Zamasu is a very interesting villain he is so much different than all the other Dragon Ball villains.
I agree I love him. He’s very cool and unique Dragon Ball villain.
Zamasu shouldn't be considered a *"villain"* but more like *"divine right radical". A "villain"* would be somebody like Frieza, Kid Buu, Early Vegeta, Moro etc.
A *"divine right radical"* is the same level of danger as a *"villain"* tho.
See but is he really a villain
Plus he's the only one who succeeded
He's a villain because he wanted to get rid of ALL mortals, even the good ones. Just like how Eren is a villain because he wanted to get rid of ALL Marleyans, even the good ones.
Zamasu is very different from the other DB villains...
Frieza has a distain for Saiyans due to fear of them overpowering him which gave him a reason to destroy Planet Vegeta and wishes to destroy the remaining Saiyans being Goku and Vegeta.
Cell (at first) wanted to reach his perfect form and once that was accomplished, he wanted to wreak havoc on worlds to show and prove how he was a "Perfect Being".
Fat Buu was a menace who liked fighting, destruction and eating sweet foods.
Super Buu wanted a challenge and to fight earth's strongest fighters
And Kid Buu simply wanted to beat Goku and Vegetas assess
But Zamasu was different, he didn't become a villain out of fear of mortal's overpowering kai's, not to reach some kind of higher power, not for self gain and not blindly causing destruction.
He did this because he saw how mortal's took their gifts for granted.
Lives to cherish
Minds for wisdom yet they waste it all on useless fighting and useless wars and in the process, destroy everything they see. He saw mortal's as a wasted potential, like giving a kid a toy then watching him destroy it the moment it leaves his hand and they get they're hands on it. The countless times he's watch the mortal's participate in countless and useless wars, bicker over politcs and pay 29.99 for a girl's onlyfans when the hub is free has opened his eyes on how they wasted the gifts given to them.
Have zamasu watch the events of world war 1,2, and 3 and he’s gonna be more disappointed for mortals
@berbyduxxe8902 you got that last part from cj dachamps vid but none the less 100 percent facts zamasu is my fav villain in db history now
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“Thanos was right”
Kid Buu didnt simply want to beat goku and vegeta, he just wanted to destroy anything
Zamasu is an interesting antagonist because he's essentially asking a question that has no answer. He sees humanity (mortals) as flawed and imperfect, with special attention paid to the nature of cycles. As an immortal being, he has to either resign himself to watching the same struggles and hardships repeat over and over (war, famine, etc.) or put an end to it. He isn't wrong about his observations, but he's come to a nihilistic mindset that makes him think that the presence of evil in the multiverse sullies everything that is good.
The problem with this is that he cannot see the beauty in the balance. I've long been of the opinion that beautiful things are that way not because they are perfect but because they contain some interesting balance or juxtaposition. The sea is beautiful not because it is simply pretty but because it is both majestic and terrifying. The sea can be tranquil and calm or it can be wrathful and violent, but either way it is beautiful. Humans (mortals) are the same, with capacity for both wisdom and cruelty. The beauty lies in human nature always *trying* to be better and never fully succumbing to evil. Evil may return again and again, but it will never truly reign supreme. Zamasu accidentally proves this very law by becoming the evil that mortals would have to combat to survive.
The ending of this arc is truly tragic and honestly just disturbing given everything I mentioned. Zamasu was a deity and thus his hatred warped the very fabric of his universe so much that it had to be erased to end its suffering. It's the natural conclusion of a nihilistic god becoming so powerful, but even then just a few mortals survived and continued on - it's a small consolation, but at least Zamasu was not able to realise his nihilistic idealogy into reality.
wow. this was truly a beautiful explanation. thank you for sharing this
yeah.... who did n´t like this explanation is because he did not have the patience to read it
Very good bro I read it full and I found each word meaningfully great job 👍👍👌💟
I really like your point of view here and it really makes sense as well. What makes thing’s beautiful is indeed the complexity or sometimes simplicity of things. The fact that it has many different factors make it so that it has many different aspects. Those aspects would make majority view it as beautiful as the rest would probably fear it.
I know many people think similar to Zamasu in a different sense. Zamasu is asking his purpose in the beginning and eventually comes to the conclusion that mortals are evil and some can eventually become strong enough to cause damage beyond their society. Every human in this world have also questioned their own existence and came to their own understanding of it. Some turn to religion, some turn to nihilism, some dedicate their life to helping others, some become only caring of themselves, etc. in the end, there is no wrong answer.
it really shows that the question is not wrong to ask. It is only the way on how you interpret your answer that can be interpreted as good or evil. Zamasu actually had great potential to be one of the greatest destroyers in the whole multiverse with his ideological views if he managed to also learn when it was right to destroy or not.
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All are facts, war is a repeated human cycle. These scenes makes one almost forget that Zamasu became pure evil (let alone alone one of the most evil fictional characters of all time).
Exactly! I agree with you. I can see why you love Zamasu so much, he’s a really good villain.
He is still a bad guy at the end of the day. He’s a massive hypocrite, his actions are not justified. The way he executed his plan was not the right way and his actions are extremely wrong. However we can’t deny the fact that his logic is right. He does actually make some good points, and it makes him a good example of a villain who is both pure evil but yet also understandable and relatable. Good intentions can lead the road to evil, but Zamasu is definitely right about some things.
It’s also quite sad since it seems like he actually genuinely cared about Gowasu before what he did. Makes you feel bad for Gowasu.
@@ShadowDante7 Agreed. Zamasu is a perfect example of a pure evil villain with understandable motives. His motives and backstory makes him one of the most interesting villains of all time. Some villains lust for power (Frieza), some simply choose to be evil out of sadism despite having moral agency issues at first (Cell and Super Buu), others are cowardly (Babidi).
His actions also foreshadow the tournament of power saga where mortals are forced to fight one another and if they lose, their universe gets erased. It proves Zamasu’s point on mortals (that is of course until Zeno revealed the tournament was a test to see if the mortals have high moral standards, which turned out to be true). All in all, despite being one of the most evil villains of all time and even being considered a “hate sink”, he was well written.
@@CalamityLegend for sure. He is easily the best villain from Dragon Ball Super imo. I like his motivations and backstory a lot, and it differs from other Dragon Ball villains too.
That’s also true. It just shows that humans constantly fight and war against each other and Zamasu sees this and wants to put an end to it. That’s what makes him a great villain. He might be one of the most evil fictional characters and the most evil Dragon Ball character (perhaps even the most evil anime character) but he’s still an interesting villain that is understandable. Personally I never really found him hate sink though lol but I can see why he is.
@@ShadowDante7 Once again, I agree with you on everything you just said there. The reason why he’s a hate sink is because he’s very personal and vile to the heroes (such as sadistically mocking Goku for killing Chi-Chi and Goten and brutally murdering Bulma), also practically getting away with wiping out all lives in the multiverse and nearly destroying all the timelines until Zeno erased him.
It makes one wonder why he’s on the Hate Sink wiki, but not Ridley; who, in my opinion is more hateful.
@@CalamityLegend yeah I understand why he is hate sink, I just find it a bit strange that he is but other villains aren’t. I think Zamasu has some evil is cool moments. Plus he is an interesting villain. Other Dragon Ball villains like Frieza also had hate sink moments too.
I also agree with you that Ridley is probably more hateful too
There's one thing Zamasu is absolutely right about, which is that mortals just shouldn't be able to get as powerful as the gods themselves. If Goku ever turned evil no one would be able to stop him from completely tearing the universe apart, Goku Black is proof of that.
lets notice that what he said happened at the end, kid buu killed various gods and was a treat to the multiverse, same goes for moro the guy was about to nuke the entire universe/universes (by following right manga translations) and the gods weren't able to stop them
@@ale895 yeah, he pretty much pointed It out when he was fighting vegito, that's why he said he Is using both failure of the gods (zamasu was raised by gods Who can't do their purpose correctly in fact he Is using himself to represent that) and the mortals (Saiyans like Goku are the perfect example of uncontrolled power, stupidity and too much kindness from the gods themselves ), he had some good points, kais and gods of destruction barely did their job correctly, without rules and order mortals were leaves at themself and this caused destruction, we saw in the moro that the gods shouldn't be so neutral but help the mortals to evolve (like merus, the fat Kai etc..), zamasu was using this symbols to nit forget what the past mistakes were and later he would have forged a new universe/universes with It ( i think if he would have won he would have tried to create new life forms and a new system from zero, i mean kais have creations Power they can create planets,stars, life forms etc..)
You do realise that Goku black IS zamasu right?
@@Bruh-f5bi mean tho, goku and Vegeta are being trained to become gods (it could be just be Vegeta so idk) so whats the bad in that
@@vincememes not really at that time and even right now, they said multiple times that they don't want to become gods of destruction but only to elevate to new lvl of powers, zamasu saw how foolish they were acting (at least this Is what he think) and decided to act, he was worrying what would have happened if mortal with such power would have goes against the gods and becoming too powerful that even the universe could have be destroyed by It, at the beginning of super we saw how powerful God ki Is, Imagine It in the hands of evil, its ironic in part because zamasu basically predicted It, moro, majin buu, they were treats that even the gods couldn't stop (Majin buu for the kais and for moro he became so powerful that he was about to nuke different universes by following good manga translations ), there are others motivations for zamasu to act but its a long argument tbh, there Is a guy Who explained pretty well his character i can link a video if you want or like It
Zamasu reminds me of when Sensui watched Chapter Black in Yu Yu Hakusho. Chapter Black (a video of all human evil) is supposed to be watched along with Chapter White( a video of humans greatest triumphs) but he only saw Chapter Black so he didn't see as much of the good. Gowasu was in the wrong for only showing Zamasu the evil of mortals and not the good.
Well for what we know not all the universe were as advanced as "universe 7", but what gowasu wanted to show at zamasu was that with time creatures can change and evolve,but sadly not all of them (i mean zamasu for how Extreme his metods were he said the truth, for example we humans continue to evolve but at the end we return on our feet and kill each others for power, religion or some piece of land, when we are one race at the end that should help each others to evolve and stay in peace, instead we do the opposite)
Also Sensui like Zamasu had sacred godlike energy, had multiple personalities and fought the protagonist with godlike power. In Sensui's case Yusuke was a demon or half demon.
Gowasu should’ve showed Zamasu Chapter White
Worse for sensui: seeing some of the worst horrors of humanity first hand and that being introduced to one with such a black and white view as his _shattered_ him. Like damn.
In my point of view Zamasu is the product of a terrible teacher. Gowasu never really challenged Zamasu's beliefs or tried to show him the worth of mortals outside of just expecting him to agree without actually being taught why. For fucks sake, when his student asked him if he could prove mortals were anything more than savage barbarians he too him to a planet with mortals that are literally called Barbarians.
Fun fact in the manga, there is an extra scene, when they were on the planet of the barbarians. where when Zamasu was distracted, fighting that big barbarian, Gowasu witnessed a hooded figure, possibly the leader of the barbarians, split up the fight and all of the other barbarians, bowing down to the hooded figure, implying that they are much more complex then just being brutal killers. Kind of strange they didn’t include this to the anime, I feel like that would’ve been a needed scene.
@@mpgaming674the manga came after the anime
Hard to believe Zamasu was played by James Marsters from Dragonball: Evolution. I guess this is his apology for that movie. I accept.
Such a better role for him, amirite? He had talent, and he actually got to use it well for something.
@DarkSlayerShadow77 best part, you can tell how passionate he was about this one because he did it for _free._
@@anhilliator1 wait really?
@@ShadowDante7 yep
Hell, he even fought to make Piccolo green in the movie
Zamasu would’ve been a great God of Destruction, had he been taken down that path instead of the path of a Supreme Kai. He had the perfect mindset for one: Certain mortals are bad to keep around, so they should be destroyed. But since he was trained to be a Supreme Kai, he just continued to watch mortals, which eventually led to his mind becoming corrupted, making him become an even bigger problem for the universe than mortals ever were.
Late reply, but i do think his teacher didn't help and felt like he wasn't a good fit for him. It was obviously a really bad choice to have Zamasu watch primitive creatures fight each other and i don't understand why his teacher kept making him watch that and completely ignore how much it was effecting him and not thinking of trying something else to show him. While we saw the primitive creatures slowly become a civilization, he was being forced to watch them hurt and kill each other over and over, to do what? just slowly watch them barely change after thousands of years have passed? I think he should of been taken to places were civilization was already up and running and modern. To see people living and interacting with each other peacefully. Let him see the good stuff then show him the bad stuff after so he can see for himself that people/creatures can change and how much they have changed. I saw another comment suggesting that his teacher should of had Zamasu try and make his own civilization and cultivate a planet with high moral level or something. And i think trying that is a better solution than making him watch brutes that can't talk at all. I also thought at one point while watching the show about how good he would be as a god of destruction. He wouldn't be lazy like beerus that's for sure. And he would be able to vent out his frustration by just doing his job and not be harassed by people telling him what they think is good and bad
If zamasu was the god of destruction, dragon ball would’ve ended in BOG
@@lackamoo965 But he’s in Universe 10, so that wouldn’t happen unless he was still corrupt and decided to go through with the Zero Mortals Plan after becoming a Destroyer.
Unfortunately for Zamasu, only mortals are allowed to become GoDs
@@lackamoo965 There wouldn't even be a Dragon Ball to watch. Zamasu would not allow the Saiyan Race to exist, nor Freeza to run rampant and destroy good civilizations.
I like how every discussion had with Zamasu pertaining to mortals involves tea in some manner, representing what is going through Zamasu’s head at any given moment.
He first starts making the pure, clear tea, showing that his mind is pure and without anxiety or question. Then he starts asking questions about what’s going on in the world, about mortals and their actions, making the tea clouded with dark streaks showing where his thought process is going. Then you get the pure black tea, a bitter reminder not only of the sociopathic mindset Zamasu’s is nourishing, but also foretelling where this Zamasu will eventually end up(he becomes Goku Black). Then it goes back to being pure again, no darkness present, showing either that he has masked his sociopathy with just motives, or that he is truly a pure hearted being whose sense of Justice has become extreme.
And on this note, now I feel like drinking some tea, which I might make myself some later lol.
But yes, it does show us how Zamasu changes. Technically, he is still “pure of heart” even if he’s also pure evil. Even if his actions are clearly not the right thing to do, he believes that it is. This also means that hypothetically he could probably ride the flying nimbus.
It goes to show us that “pure heart” and “pure good” are not the same thing.
His heart is pure, pure evil to the core
@@shawerful5209 When you grow older you don't see everything as black and white as you thinking are now
@@whitedragonzerureusu4480 dragon ball kai reference buddy. but yeah that is the case
Man, i kinda miss zamasu, he was probably one of the best db villains out there, unless youd like to count some Z villains.
Same man this was by far the best saga in Super. This is when the show really kicked off. After that? Ehhh
Better than all of the Z villains by a mile. He’s the only one with actual reasons and context besides “I’m evil”
Let's be honest here, none of the Z villains even remotely compare to him, unless you count Vegeta, who was only interesting because of his character development and not his role as a villain. The rest were just evil just because mostly.
Honestly think Zamasu is more complex than villains from Z also. Especially Frieza and Buu. Only ones I think were as complex was Android 16,17, and 18
@@duolingoowl920 dbs is horrible, Zamasu was horrible, the future trunks arc was overall horrible. not to mention dbz villains were quite literally the reincarnation of evil, Buu for example. Zamasus hole plot was "oh I hate mortals, only gods should exist blah blah." not to mention how a majority of ppl saying dbz villains are horrible never watched dbz lol.
"These mortals will pay 5.99$ a bitch's OF when the hub is free"
-probably modern zamasu
@@Strongerthanever612 lmao
😭😭😭😭
Zamasu's garden analogy completely flies in the face of his ideals. A gardener does pluck the unsightly weeds, but they also help the plants grow. Feed it, love it, and give it every opportunity to grow from the seeds that he plants.
Zamasu should be guiding the mortals in the way he feels works. The civilizations that don't comply should be left to the destroyer God.
He's not a gardner. A gardner doesn't torch the entire garden because a few dandelions showed up.
This deserves more likes ngl
"all these monsters just fight and seek power, they have brains yet dont use it for wisdom"
also zamasu: "let's fight mortals and seek power"
He's right y'know?
@@Zepheyrus right or not, he's a hypocrite
he downplays mortals for their thirst for power, but then goes powerhungry after killing something for the first time
@@gxalcremieshiny4229 He didn't go power hungry, lmao? He killed Gowasu after coming to the conclusion all mortals should die. He gained immortality, stole Goku's body, and started wiping them out. Can't save the universe without getting your hands dirty.
@@JohnDelayLi I think you kinda misunderstood Zamasu, from my point of view, atleast.
Zamasu WAS all about "correcting and saving the universe" at first. But you could tell after he killed that monster, that sigh was full of ecstasy. He felt enjoyment in killing.
Also you could tell when he was fighting against Goku and Vegeta, that he truly wanted to achieve a higher form of power, saying stuff like "Yes, the pain will only make me stronger"
he wanted universal salvation at first, but after killing he just wanted more of death. "just getting his hands dirty" was no issue, cuz he enjoyed every last second of it, I mean, you have SEEN the massive grins and smiles Zamasu and Goku Black had on their faces, right?
in short, he lost his goal after going power-hungry
And yet he became power hungry once he gained more and more. @@JohnDelayLi
As time goes on I can understand Zamasu
It’s like admiring heroes, but later understanding villains a lot more as you get older like green goblins speech from the Spider-Man movies.
@@tada8874 As kids we love the heroes, but as adults we understand the villains. This is why we enjoy villains more than heroes, because they relate more to us. Usually heroes are portrayed as perfect, whereas heroes aren’t, just like us, humans. Also, some villains have valid points, but they take it too far. Zamasu feels like a villain who came straight from Legend of Korra.
@@unromanoarecareanaveragero8275
Heroes were designed during the great depression to bring hope
Nowadays so many adults are hopeless that they'd find it easier to be evil
It also doesn't help that since most villains are sympathetic and relatable it drives in the idea that all people are evil bastards
@@lmaobox4068 r/Im14andthisisdeep
That's exactly like saying Hitler was a good guy lol
Realized from the comments people dont realize the irony of his character. He wants to end violents, used violents. Wanted to end evil, became evil. Hated Goku, became Goku. Sought to end corruption in the universe, actually corrupted existence itself.
And he hasn't got to even learn about Frieza.
Oh boy lol
I'm pretty sure Zuno would have mentioned Frieza to Zamasu when he asks to know literally everything about Goku.
I think this is the point where Zamasu was truly lost. I think anyone would look at Goku and decide Goku has done good for the sake of his friends, Earth and Namek in general, and his love of fighting, which also explains to Zamasu why he's so strong, and just left it at that. Zamasu saw that and was like "I NEED THAT SHIT, and still fuck mortals" xD
@@LordRazziano he wouldve been amazed and fascinated
@@godzillagurus576 If your saying zamasu would be amazed and fascinated by freizas actions you are dead wrong, he would be completely disgusted
@@yardite7777 i was talking about when Zamasu finds more about Goku’s personality and traits not frieza, dumbass
Curse you mortals, you now realize what world has become.
Zamasu does have a point. We do hate each other and declare war.
We take our gifts for granted
Indeed.
@@LaZonaDiRin3743 his logic is right for the most part, but his actions are wrong
I would say you are right, But what he is doing is killing all for the mistakes of the many, while killing the innocent few as well…it’s a more hatred filled Mindset than anything else…less Justice, and more Disgust….It’s kinna like seeing one country filled with Thieves and Murderers, and saying “All Countries are that way”
Not all of us.
@@Amirisphere true
After 2 years of playing genshin and recently quitting, Zamasu is damn right about mortals😭
Zamasu: I don't see why the primitive mortals should exist if all they do is bring chaos and ruin.
Gowasu: I see your point, but just to prove that every mortal should be given a shot on their justification of choice and life, I want to show you just that-
*Proceeds to show the very doubtful student a race of literal primitive mortals savagely killing one another*
Gowasu: See? Everyone should have a chance. You understand now right?
Zamasu: ....oh. Oh I understand all right....
*hand starts to glow behind his teacher's back*
He reminds me of Thanos: As long as there are those who remember what was there will always be those that are unable to accept what can be.
The only difference is that while thanks wanted to balance out the universe by wiping out half of it (which makes no sense logically) whereas zamasu wanted to wipe out all mortals in the multiverse to obtain true and everlasting peace.
Zamasu was always right, nobody understood him… RIP bro
1:45
James Marsters really killed this part, he delivered that line perfectly.
these mortals pays 29.99 for onlyfans when the hub is free- well said zamasu
Lol
That's literally my favorite video on RUclips lol
I've never seen a joke sooo poorly lmaooo.
“Thanos was right.”
Zamasu: Mortals are evil!
Also Zamasu: *trades bodies with one*
Lol
Zamasu should've been a destroyer instead of a kai maybe underneath a destroyer he could've learned control and forged a better path punishing those who deserve it
Or steal a alternate beerus' body and then killed the supreme kai (but that begs the question would that kill him too?)
@@unspeakableflame420 maybe under the guidance of whis or another angel he would've been better
Absolutely, he defenitley seems to fit the role of someone who plucks the weeds instead of an idle gardener watching them grow out of control. It's just Zamasu saw all plantlife as weeds
"I saw two cavemen fighting each other so let's kill everyone!"
Lol
Zamasu: I want all the mortals gone
Gowasu: This tea tho
Gowasu me fr 🍵
The tea turned white. He has the white attitude.
gayest comment
He’s like thanos .. right idea
, wrong execution
Zamasu is actually all teenagers that are on a Villain Arc they wish to be
Imagine if Gowasu showed him that one part when Goku killed King Kai with Cell lmao.
Lol
"My pupil is having dark thoughts, i know, lets show him a planet called Barbary. Great idea!"
FYI: Zamasu and Goku Black possess Pure Heart as one of their passive skills in Dragon Ball Fusions
It’s really strange but it’s actually true lol
@@ShadowDante7 Because he believed what he was doing was right, and it was humans who were wrong.
It's his Justice
@@archieness2304That’s so dumb. People do evil all the time thinking that what they’ll eventually get is good. No Evil is done without first believing that it is to achieve good. Adolf Hitler believed he was doing Good by eliminating the “jewish scourge” and allowing the Aryan Race to thrive, but in the end he was really the greatest example of evil. By this logic, even the most rotten of beings are good.
Tl;dr: actions are louder than words or beliefs.
@@archieness2304 He was mostly right, all he needed was to kill those who are evil/bad, if he became a god of destruction then he would be fine
Really wanted him to meet frieza and get his point proven actually
Man zamasu was born to speak fax😂😂😂💀💀💀
It was not that funny
@@insekkt nah its funny because you're useless and you're mad about it
Tbh
Zamasu is probably speaking facts about mortal in own world
I think he incorporate both what we humans are and what we could do as a unite race, zamasu wanted a multiverse in peace but at the end he became what he was trying to destroy, his character started with good ideals but the more the arc progress the more crazy he become
@@Bruh-f5b 💀i didn’t got a notification from this
@@MichaelSchumacher6 Oh lol
@@Bruh-f5b only if the arc wasn’t rushed
Well yeah they have good concepts but they should have take more time
Zamasu said that a garden should be tended, not watched, and he isn't entirely wrong.
However, it must be watched first, so that you can pluck out the weeds before they spread throughout the entire garden.
Destroying the entire garden, just to remove one or two weeds, is foolish. Which is ironic, because that would make zamasu foolish, and he's the one with that "foolish mortals!" attitude.
Gowasu didn't help either. He has shown zamasu all the cons mortals can do, but he never showed to him the pros. He would also let evil prosper, because he believes that they cannot interfere.
It is true the garden needs to be watched, but also tended, so that the entire garden isn't infested with weeds.
If only gowasu showed to zamasu what mortals can do that are more than just death, wars and destruction, at the very least, zamasu wouldn't kill him, and he'd probably be a bit more hesitant to black's offer.
I do wonder what went through toriyama's mind while creating this💀
dude lowkey looks like a kinda hot version of the goblin from clash of clans
Yeah ikr? XD Zamasu is good looking
Lord Dominator from Wonder of Yonder.
He looks like a girl to me
@@Skilledpuffno10 if you look at him on a certain angle then yeah I can kinda see it lol
A philosophical discussion like this in *Dragon Ball* got me off guard
The answer Gowasu should have given Zamasu is simple:
"Reality is this way because Omni-King Zeno said so and willed us all into being in an instant, and could just as easily will us out of existence if we decided we think we know better. So shut the drink your tea before you get *squished*"
Zamasu: Mortals are barbaric monsters
Gowasu: I know how to fix this misconception and save my student from walking down a terrible path
*takes Zamasu to a planet where the mortals are barbaric monsters*
Gowasu: see, this is why we need to protect mortals, so they can do this
The intention was to show then how they were at first, then to see in the future if they change. They were an exception.
My dude signed up for the wrong school.
Should have gone to Beerus instead...
After all if you wanna do swift divine justice with you being the judge then be a destroyer.
Not a Kai...
Oh well rip one of the villains that actually had a personality, crazy as he was at least he stood out a lot to me.
To be fair, Ultron came to the same conclusion within 30 seconds of being on the Internet
bro speedran 4chan
Beerus: Allow me to introduce myself!!
Lol then he straight up kills him.
He deserved it though. Poor Gowasu, I feel so bad for him :(
@@ShadowDante7 true
@@thisdawg812 such a nice, wise and humble man. I’d love to drink tea and chat with him.
Zamasu has a good point, sadly everything he said is not true. It's right humans destroy, as he said they spread corruption, but by doing so, humans that have done something nice is going to waste, even from failure humans try to achieve something good. In my conclusion Zamasu is too arrogant to see things completely.
Exactly. He’s right about some things but wrong about others
@@ShadowDante7"I LOOK DOWN ON EXISTENCE ON A MUCH HIGHER PERSPECTIVE THEN YOU DO! I WITNESS THIS WORLD, THIS UNIVERSE, AND THE TRUTH OF ALL THINGS!"
@@ExtremeGamerOfficial.That brings deeper understanding Wisdom”
BRO, IF HUMANITY WANTED TO GET THEIR S*** TOGETHER THEY WOULD HAVE DONE SO. HISTORY PROVES THIS. HOW ARE YOU NOT SEEING PARALLELS? ZAMASU IS A GOD. AS A GOD OF CREATION IT'S FUTILE EXERCISE TO WATCH YOUR GARDEN & NOT TENDER TO THEM BY PLUCKING OUT THE WEEDS.
I honestly see some of his critiques of mortals, what he fails to understand is that he is so haughty about it all.
He doesn’t even realize he is the problem, he’s the issue, he’s the absolute evil in the arc.
Zamasu changing the color of the tea with his talk for 3 minutes 💀
My biggest question is "why, why does the nature of mortals take their blessings for granted" my answer is the fact that as we exist we are confused as to why we exist and are too busy trying figure out our purpose or distract ourselves from our woes. Its sad our gifts are right there, yet we cannot focus on them almost at all
In the realm of gods and mortals, a tragic tale unfolds,
Of a divine soul corrupted, and justice turned cold.
Zamasu, once a guardian, pure and serene,
Became the harbinger of darkness, fueled by a twisted dream.
He saw in mortals a flaw, a blight on creation's face,
Their fleeting lives, their sins, a disgrace.
In his heart, a seed of hatred took root,
Nurtured by despair, blossoming into bitter fruit.
Through the body of a Saiyan, his wrath was expressed,
Goku Black emerged, a force to be addressed.
With Goku's face, yet devoid of his light,
He waged a war against mortals, against life itself, with might.
The skies turned crimson, and hope was eclipsed,
As Zamasu's vision of justice, by blood was eclipsed.
He sought to cleanse the universe, to make it pure,
But in his quest, his own soul he could not endure.
For in the end, his godly heart was consumed,
By the very darkness he sought to exhume.
A tragedy of arrogance, of a god's fall from grace,
Zamasu, in his madness, erased his own place.
He became an immortal shadow, a ghost of his own making,
A villain who believed, but left the universe breaking.
And so his story ends, not in victory or power,
But in the ashes of dreams, in the final hour.
An immortal seeing mortals with a mortal's point of view. He would make a great mortal, ironically. If you are to see only the bad from your ivory tower, I guess what happened was not really very unexpected.
"Gardens are tended, not just watched." Actually makes a ton of sense to me.
Yeah but he proceeds to burn the entire garden just to get to some rotten weeds.
I'd be sick of mortals' shit, too, if I lived in a world with Frieza's family terrorizing the cosmos for years.
to be fair, if zamasu wouldve been just transferred to become a god of destruction trainee and learn to focus on which mortals to weed out instead of going full 0 mortal plan... he probably wouldve been the actual most effective god in dragon ball XD
Maybe if Gowasu shows the kindest of mortal, maybe Zamasu would build more empathy.
True
1:35 reminds me of Luke 13.
“And He began telling this parable: “A man had a fig tree which had been planted in his vineyard; and he came looking for fruit on it and did not find any. And he said to the vineyard-keeper, ‘Behold, for three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree without finding any. Cut it down! Why does it even use up the ground?’ And he answered and said to him, ‘Let it alone, sir, for this year too, until I dig around it and put in fertilizer; and if it bears fruit next year, fine; but if not, cut it down.’ ””
Zamasu, a god of creation by birth but a god of destruction by heart
Zamasu: Heil Godler
Gowasu: hmmmm -___-
I mean he is sorta right about history repeating over and over
Zamasu was going through a phase.
If he was groomed as a destroyer he'd have been fine
don't care what anyone says this is my favorite arc in the series
Same. This and Cell saga
Based@@ShadowDante7
@@Necronoxicon261 🤝
And not only are they my favourite sagas, but Cell and Zamasu are also my two favourite villains and by far is what made both sagas so great for me (if we’re counting non canon villains, than Cooler tied in the top 3 with them as well)
Zamasu's early ideologies are the compass by which Gods of Destruction guide their universes toward having a high mortal level. We know that Gowasu and Rumsshi do not meet Zeno's standards, and I believe that is in no small part due to their tolerance of barbarism. Zamasu was better suited to be the disciple of a God of Destruction, not a Kai.
Would've been crazy to see a Destroyer that was the same species as the Kai, ngl
I've always said that Zamasu was right, given the context and how the Dragon Ball world works. Mortals here are comparable to a disease that infects and spreads for no good reason other than to corrupt and destroy. If divine beings do exist, beings of purity and harmony, why should beings with inherently flawed natures be allowed to disrupt that harmony? Not just why shouldn't they be destroyed, but why were they granted the gift of life to begin with?
If you really think about it, mortals are the source of all conflict and despair in Dragon Ball. Without people like Frieza roaming around, nobody of a kind heart has any reason to risk life and limb like the protags do. There would be no conflict, and higher beings like the Kais could simply live in peace. They wouldn't have to constantly worry about stability.
Granted, Kais and Destroyers exist for the sole purpose of maintaining stability in their respective universes, but it didn't have to be that way. Divine beings could have simply just existed for the sake of existing, and it could have been left at that. From the perspective of someone like Zamasu, the very existence of mortals in and of itself would seem worthless. It seems to me that if everyone could see things the way he does, death and pain could be a thing of the past. Harmony could exist once again.
That said, it all comes down to what the Omni-King wishes. And I suppose he likes mortals. So it's pretty simple at that point.
Being an immortal/god doesn't exempt you from being corrupt and disrupting harmony
Zamasu's existence is the whole point of that
The way I see it, mortals "are allowed to exist" because they aren't really "inferior" in any way
"Every seed needs time to grow", mortals just don't have that time, because they're, well, mortals
Who are the gods to judge mortals? When they have infinite time whilst they don't?
They're just reflections of the gods, a kind of 'made in their image' type beat, ones with just less guidance and time
Whilst mortals may be the source of all evil and despair, they're also the only source of good and compassion
You cannot have light without darkness, good without evil, hot without cold etc etc etc
Who are the gods to judge? You don't blame a bird for having wings, you don't blame a fish for having fins
They maintain balance and remain neutral because they recognize that beings with free will will naturally choose varying paths
They may be pure by nature, but so are mortal babies
That does not mean they are incorruptible or flawless
These divine beings are inheritenly human
@@aurum3747 Not to discredit the time you put into this comment. And nothing against you or your opinion.
But to me personally, that doesn't make any sense at all. I don't think you're giving the Gods enough credit for what they are. I think any conflict or malice the Gods may have, stems from mortals to begin with.
And I do also disagree on the front that mortals not are inferior in some ways. If not all ways. I mean even Zamasu, who is portrayed as evil and malicious, and a "Failed God" if you will, only wants beauty and tranquility. That's his goal. And I think his thoughts process that eliminating whatever prevents that at all cost, isn't so incorrect.
Also, if Mortals are just Gods without the time to develop, why not just give them indefinite lifespans? Would that not literally make them the same as Gods and completely solve the issue? Might as well give them inherent God ki too. If they aren't so very different, but one is mortal and often evil, and the other is immortal and most often good, why not just remove mortality from the equation?
And finally, I do sort of disagree with the whole "No light without dark" analogy. The idea of balance works in a lot of circumstances but it seems out of place here. It's sort of an ambiguous explanation for a logical conversation.
All that said though, again, nothing against you. I enjoy having these conversations about something we mutually enjoy.
@phasomyr Zamasu only wanted beauty and tranquility yes but like, so did Hitler! And plenty of other evil people out there.
He justified doing terrible acts for the greater good, believing that the Aryan race was inherently superior and everything else should be eliminated for being impure and flawed. He was the scum of the earth but in the end, his ambitions were incredibly patriotic and he fought for the "good" of his people
Sound familiar?
You're right, I don't really give enough credit to the gods because I don't really see them as flawless
Yes, Zamasu's corruption stems from his belief about ***mortals*** but the fact that he got corrupted in the first place is telltale enough that they aren't infallible
If no mortals existed, he'd most certainly be the kind of guy to rally up about some other problem in the land of the kais, and the another
He's inherently egotistical and narcissistic, he has that awful mentality of greater good
Mortals existing just gave him a clear, big and flawed target to fuel his way of thinking
The light and darkness analogy was more for the mortal side, because in eliminating all mortals you also eliminate all GOOD mortals, which most would agree, is an awful thing
But, eliminating all BAD mortals sets a moral precedent, it sets hard rules on morality which is just an extremely big can of worms since the morality of acts and such actually changed based on societal rules
Which is why neutrality whilst favoring the side of righteousness is the best choice imo (At least, if I were to imagine myself as some divine being)
I'm not quite sure on the lore of Kais, could they do that? Could they give mortals god ki and immortality? Is that even possible?
Zeno could do it I'm sure but that guy is the definition of just... "I'll do whatever the fuck I want lol"
And even then, you could make the argument that mortality only enhances the vetting process of morality
It's easy to be good and neutral when you have absolutely no obstacles, opposition or hardship. It brings into question, are the Kais actually pure or do they simply not face any issue that would make you otherwise?
Zamasu faced the issue of his convictions differing from the norm and let his ego fester, just like a mortal, and so he got corrupted like one
And likewise, wouldn't you say that a being who was born amidst such hardships, among several other corrupted ones and fated to die who chooses the path of righteousness still
Is the most "good" of all?
I argue completely in favor of not interfering unless necessary and like you said, it's fine if we disagree!
Discussions like this really are fun, no offense is taken
Oh! And as an addendum
Time to grow doesn't need to be immortality
Granting immortality to all mortals is just going to let evil people continue to be evil forever
The time to grow the elder kai refers to is most likely societal growth
Anyone who has ever watched a video about medieval torture methods can tell you, we've come a long way
Especially in the recent 100 years
Abolishing slavery, granting voting rights to minorities, giving way to self expression and sexuality, condemning cruel acts that were once considering normal or expected
Whilst yes, there is still an uncountable amount of evil in this world, there is no arguing against the fact that we've improved as whole and no doubt will continue improving as long as we don't set of that "kill everyone" button
Every seed indeed needs time to grow
Zamasu is right in the sense that ideally, there should be a gardner to pluck out the weeds, but a bad gardner would hurt the roots and kill the plant whilst doing so
And the gods can very much so be bad gardners, so just keeping the balance turns out to be the most achievable growing condition
After all, plants can still grow well despite weeds, if they couldn't, we wouldn't have forests!
I mean, even the divine beings of this setting are *created* things that exist to fulfill a role. They aren't the gardeners, they're the nitrogen-fixing bacteria in the soil.
When all you see is hate and corruption
You are often blind to the love and justice that comes along with it
Zamasu spent so much time believing he was a purely divine being that was above sin that he forgot the most important thing mortal beings are capable of and that's evolution,living creatures evolve and grow overtime,the barbarians were no exception to this,it might take them 1000s of years but eventually they might have developed a post scarcity society where everyone lives peacefully,if only their creators had been patient and took time to understand and appreciate them despite their flaws...
What is there to appreciate? we don't know a thing about the barbarians other than their enjoyment of slaughtering each other for no real reason. even WE weren't that bloodthirsty at our beginning!
Zamasu: I hate all these beings constantly killing each other
Also Zamasu: I can't stand it let's kill everything
What a absolute loon...
When i grow up i want to be just like him.
@@HOI4notsoproplayer lol
Yeah Good Luck With That XD
start practicing your diction
@tacitozetticci9308 divine beigns dont care.
@@HOI4notsoproplayer Zamasu sounded like he cared a lot lol
Something that proves his rightness is how the tea clears at the end of his speech showing his intentions were righteous and pure of heart, not just stemming from hatred
Bro I'ma be real In Dbs Zamasu and Goku black are 2 of my favorite villans
They’re my favourite (canon) Dragon Ball villains
Who are others
Gowasu was a terrible teacher. He should've nipped zamasu's genocidal tendencies in the bud. Instead he didn't even properly argue with him or show him things contrary to his emerging beliefs, he just let it simmer
At least he learned that the hard way when he said “I have Failed you Zamasu”.
Zana's us right about martials and also alien's.
I still don't understand how Zeno didn't know what was going on was he asleep or something cause you think he would notice 12 kai and their destroyers suddenly dead and the the 12 angels going out of commission
Seeing how Future Trunks still existed it's clear he didn't come to the point where there were "too many universes" no idea what the heck he was doing but it clearly wasn't checking the mortal population or he would have investigated it with the Grand Priest
"should the garderner plluck the weed?"
That's why we had god of destruction for, zamasu
I think Zamasu’s biggest problem was that was wasn’t a god of destruction. It led him down the wrong path trying to take justice in his own hands.
All too true, if he was a god of destruction he could get rid of evil with out it being a issue
I dunno, if he was a GOD, he probably would've went ham with his power and started destroying everything that didn't fit his vision.
The only thing I can think of as a benefit is that he'd have an Angel to hopefully rein him in, but that feels up in the air.
With that kind of power he'd surely try to wreak havoc across the multiverse, it wasn't his position that was the problem it was his arrogant and cynical mindset. While mortals are far from perfect, he was too blinded to see the good that came out of their existence and instead strictly focused on the bad. Ironically enough that view is what breeds violence and atrocities in the first place, I'm sure just about every mass shooter felt a similar way that Zamasu did before deciding to carry it out.
After seeing the 2024 election results, I can totally see why zamasu believed this way. The title of this video is very believable.
Beat me to this comment 😂💀
No, no he's got a point.
-Kronk's Shoulder Angel
Imposing that life has to follow rules defined by that of a god-like being, and that said being can become just as terrible as the sentient creatures he was doggin on for being cruel? Yet because he is a "god", he thinks he cannot be fallible or wrong because of this status.
Would love to see Zamasu have a conversation with Spike from Buffy. For no particular reason.
Zamasu did nothing wrong, definitely applies to today more than ever.
i'd crash out if i was a god too
He maybe right but since he didn't bring this concern to the God of destruction of his universe him getting erased by zeno and Beerus is his own doing.
a point I've heard and liked was that Zamasu probably wouldn't have gone off the deep end if universe 10's God of Destruction actually did his job. They're supposed to be the ones that tend the garden that the Kais plant.
I still can't believe this is the guy who played Piccolo in Dragon Ball Evolution. I can understand why he wants all morals gone after having been in that film
Is just me or does anyone agree that Zamasu would fit pretty well as a god of destruction.
imagine if zamasu saw chicago in 2012😭
I can't believe it but I sympathize with Zamasu.
Zamasu opened Twitter
Lol can’t blame him then
Him and Thanos would’ve been a Shaq and Kobe type duo if there universes correlated
This is why I would do the Zero Mortals Plan myself if I could. He’s right!
sometimes I wish I had the Megiddo Ark on standby.