Zamasu lowkey being right about mortals for nearly 3 minutes straight
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- Опубликовано: 26 дек 2022
- Zamasu might be pure evil and easily the most evil villain in all of Dragon Ball, as well as one of the most evil anime and fictional villains of all time. But bad and hypocritical he might be, you can’t deny that he does genuinely make some good points and is right about something. His actions are extremely wrong but his logic is right. Always love a villain you can actually understand and relate to, even if they aren’t justified.
All credit to Akira Toriyama and the original creators of Dragon Ball.
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Gowasu should've showed Zamasu a scene of a kid saving a puppy or something.
Exactly lol
that doesn't disprove anything he said
If the puppy is also mortal then Zamasu wouldn’t care less
Disapproving Gowasu: *showing Zamasu some Namekians or a competent race with a good moral compass*
Approving Gowasu: *Showing Zamasu a group of barbaric savages beating the hell out of each other*
@@MrChillaxin2010piccolo is a part of kami and he used to be evil but changed over time. He would have not existed if his father never put his life and essence into his last egg so zamasu in some departments has a wrong point of view.
"Every seed needs time to grow"
"gardens are tended, not just watched should a gerdener not pluck the weeds"
best line in that arc in super
" if anger can be a source of power, then the anger that i hold greater than anyone else's makes me the strongest" goes hard too
Unfortunately he wants to strip the land entirely.
@@DarkWolf-407 well not everyone has that green thumb
@@The-Almighty775But... he is green.
@@The-Almighty775 He LITERALY has a green thumb
I can see zamasu’s point of view, but he’s a huge hypocrite.
Well yeah exactly
@@ShadowDante7 🤝
@@dezaina9961 🤝
@@dezaina9961 You yourself are an hypocrite
Maybe. But tbh it was necessary for him to create a better world. You can’t change the world without getting your hands dirty
imagine how bad it would've gotten if Gowasu showed Zamasu a Twitter timeline.
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instant scary faces in the sky time
You have no idea how hard I laughed at this 😂😂😂
alternate title: gowasu being ass at debates for 3 minutes straight
it's foolish to seriously entertain children in arguments they themselves wont understand.
@@AkaiKnight Zamasu isn't a child. He might still be inexperienced in the whole Kaio-Shin business, but he's still an adult, one with some good arguments. Gowasu could have easily prevented mass genocide had he been better at defending his own point.
@@AkaiKnightThat is the same fallacy that Gowasu fell for, and regrets at the end of the arc. He may not have had your same sentiments but he thought simply telling Zamasu "remember, it's not your job to destroy" would be a satisfactory response when in reality Zamasu needed proper, reasonable guidance to dissuade his doubts. An actual debate is what he needed.
Like what? go ahead and counter zamasu's point the only way to eradicate evil is by destroying the source of it aka mortals.
Gowasu should've been like: "Counterpoint... Deez Nutz"
The funny thing about this is that Zamasu's spiral really is just the result of Gowasu being a terrible teacher. It's clear that at least early on, much of Zamasu's rage stems from the fact that he's essentially being told to stand by and do nothing in the face of the genuine cruelty and evil of the world. What if Gowasu had tasked Zamasu with a world and asked him to personally teach them moral values and see them rise to a high mortal level?
Zamasu would be able to see mortals' potential when given proper guidance and patience, and he likely would have found an outlet for a lot of his frustration and resentment by actually having an opportunity to fix something.
L Gowasu.
Yeeeeeah bit of misstep to see your disciple having doubts about the projected purpose of mortals and their morals and decide to take him to a planet dominated by fucking Neanderthals
I am pretty sure that gowasu wasn't the only One Who committed mistakes from what i understand he already saw this "scenario" countless times because he was the north Kai of his universe so its understable
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Plot
@@CeeDoubleU Fair, but I think it would've been far more compelling if Zamasu got a chance to fix things the right way and just repeatedly failed for one reason or another. Maybe some of them are his own fault but he doesn't have the humility to admit that, or maybe some of them really are just because the world he is tasked with really just can't be saved.
It'd be nice to see his downward spiral as he tries to be a good kai and just repeatedly fails until he eventually comes to the conclusion that mortals are the problem and that there truly is no salvation for them.
Then it could be a really cool point later for someone like Shin to just point out that the problem was not with mortals as a whole, but with Zamasu and his sheer incompetence as a kai.
“Gardens are tended. Not just watched” that line goes pretty hard in context
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That’s the Destroyer’s job.
Man zamasu is such a well written character. I wouldn’t mind if he returned 😅
Right but I don’t nuke my garden, haha.
@@andrewgarfield9898 Zamasu is as deserving of coming back as Piccolo or Vegeta. He was the Gul Dukat of Dragonball victims. In short he had point a lot of the time.
Yeah but they aren't doing there job
Shout out to James Marsters doing an amazing dub voice for Zamasu. I still can’t believe he went from being in the terrible Dragonball Evolution movie to doing such a great job in Super
Ikr? His performance as Zamasu was awesome. The talent was there, he just needed to have a role that was actually worthy of his talent, unlike the awful live action Dragon Ball movie (which I tortured myself by watching, that’s 1 hour 30 minutes of my life I’ll never get back)
Who did he play in the movie?
@@Sharpteeth32 Demon King Piccolo
@@ShadowDante7 Nice. Thanks.
@@Sharpteeth32 no problem
Zamasu is very different from the other DB villains...
Frieza has a distain for Saiyans due to fear of them overpowering him which gave him a reason to destroy Planet Vegeta and wishes to destroy the remaining Saiyans being Goku and Vegeta.
Cell (at first) wanted to reach his perfect form and once that was accomplished, he wanted to wreak havoc on worlds to show and prove how he was a "Perfect Being".
Fat Buu was a menace who liked fighting, destruction and eating sweet foods.
Super Buu wanted a challenge and to fight earth's strongest fighters
And Kid Buu simply wanted to beat Goku and Vegetas assess
But Zamasu was different, he didn't become a villain out of fear of mortal's overpowering kai's, not to reach some kind of higher power, not for self gain and not blindly causing destruction.
He did this because he saw how mortal's took their gifts for granted.
Lives to cherish
Minds for wisdom yet they waste it all on useless fighting and useless wars and in the process, destroy everything they see. He saw mortal's as a wasted potential, like giving a kid a toy then watching him destroy it the moment it leaves his hand and they get they're hands on it. The countless times he's watch the mortal's participate in countless and useless wars, bicker over politcs and pay 29.99 for a girl's onlyfans when the hub is free has opened his eyes on how they wasted the gifts given to them.
Have zamasu watch the events of world war 1,2, and 3 and he’s gonna be more disappointed for mortals
@berbyduxxe8902 you got that last part from cj dachamps vid but none the less 100 percent facts zamasu is my fav villain in db history now
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“Thanos was right”
Kid Buu didnt simply want to beat goku and vegeta, he just wanted to destroy anything
Zamasu is an interesting antagonist because he's essentially asking a question that has no answer. He sees humanity (mortals) as flawed and imperfect, with special attention paid to the nature of cycles. As an immortal being, he has to either resign himself to watching the same struggles and hardships repeat over and over (war, famine, etc.) or put an end to it. He isn't wrong about his observations, but he's come to a nihilistic mindset that makes him think that the presence of evil in the multiverse sullies everything that is good.
The problem with this is that he cannot see the beauty in the balance. I've long been of the opinion that beautiful things are that way not because they are perfect but because they contain some interesting balance or juxtaposition. The sea is beautiful not because it is simply pretty but because it is both majestic and terrifying. The sea can be tranquil and calm or it can be wrathful and violent, but either way it is beautiful. Humans (mortals) are the same, with capacity for both wisdom and cruelty. The beauty lies in human nature always *trying* to be better and never fully succumbing to evil. Evil may return again and again, but it will never truly reign supreme. Zamasu accidentally proves this very law by becoming the evil that mortals would have to combat to survive.
The ending of this arc is truly tragic and honestly just disturbing given everything I mentioned. Zamasu was a deity and thus his hatred warped the very fabric of his universe so much that it had to be erased to end its suffering. It's the natural conclusion of a nihilistic god becoming so powerful, but even then just a few mortals survived and continued on - it's a small consolation, but at least Zamasu was not able to realise his nihilistic idealogy into reality.
wow. this was truly a beautiful explanation. thank you for sharing this
yeah.... who did n´t like this explanation is because he did not have the patience to read it
Very good bro I read it full and I found each word meaningfully great job 👍👍👌💟
I really like your point of view here and it really makes sense as well. What makes thing’s beautiful is indeed the complexity or sometimes simplicity of things. The fact that it has many different factors make it so that it has many different aspects. Those aspects would make majority view it as beautiful as the rest would probably fear it.
I know many people think similar to Zamasu in a different sense. Zamasu is asking his purpose in the beginning and eventually comes to the conclusion that mortals are evil and some can eventually become strong enough to cause damage beyond their society. Every human in this world have also questioned their own existence and came to their own understanding of it. Some turn to religion, some turn to nihilism, some dedicate their life to helping others, some become only caring of themselves, etc. in the end, there is no wrong answer.
it really shows that the question is not wrong to ask. It is only the way on how you interpret your answer that can be interpreted as good or evil. Zamasu actually had great potential to be one of the greatest destroyers in the whole multiverse with his ideological views if he managed to also learn when it was right to destroy or not.
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There's one thing Zamasu is absolutely right about, which is that mortals just shouldn't be able to get as powerful as the gods themselves. If Goku ever turned evil no one would be able to stop him from completely tearing the universe apart, Goku Black is proof of that.
lets notice that what he said happened at the end, kid buu killed various gods and was a treat to the multiverse, same goes for moro the guy was about to nuke the entire universe/universes (by following right manga translations) and the gods weren't able to stop them
@@ale895 yeah, he pretty much pointed It out when he was fighting vegito, that's why he said he Is using both failure of the gods (zamasu was raised by gods Who can't do their purpose correctly in fact he Is using himself to represent that) and the mortals (Saiyans like Goku are the perfect example of uncontrolled power, stupidity and too much kindness from the gods themselves ), he had some good points, kais and gods of destruction barely did their job correctly, without rules and order mortals were leaves at themself and this caused destruction, we saw in the moro that the gods shouldn't be so neutral but help the mortals to evolve (like merus, the fat Kai etc..), zamasu was using this symbols to nit forget what the past mistakes were and later he would have forged a new universe/universes with It ( i think if he would have won he would have tried to create new life forms and a new system from zero, i mean kais have creations Power they can create planets,stars, life forms etc..)
You do realise that Goku black IS zamasu right?
@@tizianocannavo8527i mean tho, goku and Vegeta are being trained to become gods (it could be just be Vegeta so idk) so whats the bad in that
@@vincememes not really at that time and even right now, they said multiple times that they don't want to become gods of destruction but only to elevate to new lvl of powers, zamasu saw how foolish they were acting (at least this Is what he think) and decided to act, he was worrying what would have happened if mortal with such power would have goes against the gods and becoming too powerful that even the universe could have be destroyed by It, at the beginning of super we saw how powerful God ki Is, Imagine It in the hands of evil, its ironic in part because zamasu basically predicted It, moro, majin buu, they were treats that even the gods couldn't stop (Majin buu for the kais and for moro he became so powerful that he was about to nuke different universes by following good manga translations ), there are others motivations for zamasu to act but its a long argument tbh, there Is a guy Who explained pretty well his character i can link a video if you want or like It
People in jurassic park: *experimenting dinosaurus*
Zamasu: pathetic mortals
Zamasu is a very interesting villain he is so much different than all the other Dragon Ball villains.
I agree I love him. He’s very cool and unique Dragon Ball villain.
Zamasu shouldn't be considered a *"villain"* but more like *"divine right radical". A "villain"* would be somebody like Frieza, Kid Buu, Early Vegeta, Moro etc.
A *"divine right radical"* is the same level of danger as a *"villain"* tho.
See but is he really a villain
Plus he's the only one who succeeded
He's a villain because he wanted to get rid of ALL mortals, even the good ones. Just like how Eren is a villain because he wanted to get rid of ALL Marleyans, even the good ones.
All are facts, war is a repeated human cycle. These scenes makes one almost forget that Zamasu became pure evil (let alone alone one of the most evil fictional characters of all time).
Exactly! I agree with you. I can see why you love Zamasu so much, he’s a really good villain.
He is still a bad guy at the end of the day. He’s a massive hypocrite, his actions are not justified. The way he executed his plan was not the right way and his actions are extremely wrong. However we can’t deny the fact that his logic is right. He does actually make some good points, and it makes him a good example of a villain who is both pure evil but yet also understandable and relatable. Good intentions can lead the road to evil, but Zamasu is definitely right about some things.
It’s also quite sad since it seems like he actually genuinely cared about Gowasu before what he did. Makes you feel bad for Gowasu.
@@ShadowDante7 Agreed. Zamasu is a perfect example of a pure evil villain with understandable motives. His motives and backstory makes him one of the most interesting villains of all time. Some villains lust for power (Frieza), some simply choose to be evil out of sadism despite having moral agency issues at first (Cell and Super Buu), others are cowardly (Babidi).
His actions also foreshadow the tournament of power saga where mortals are forced to fight one another and if they lose, their universe gets erased. It proves Zamasu’s point on mortals (that is of course until Zeno revealed the tournament was a test to see if the mortals have high moral standards, which turned out to be true). All in all, despite being one of the most evil villains of all time and even being considered a “hate sink”, he was well written.
@@CalamityLegend for sure. He is easily the best villain from Dragon Ball Super imo. I like his motivations and backstory a lot, and it differs from other Dragon Ball villains too.
That’s also true. It just shows that humans constantly fight and war against each other and Zamasu sees this and wants to put an end to it. That’s what makes him a great villain. He might be one of the most evil fictional characters and the most evil Dragon Ball character (perhaps even the most evil anime character) but he’s still an interesting villain that is understandable. Personally I never really found him hate sink though lol but I can see why he is.
@@ShadowDante7 Once again, I agree with you on everything you just said there. The reason why he’s a hate sink is because he’s very personal and vile to the heroes (such as sadistically mocking Goku for killing Chi-Chi and Goten and brutally murdering Bulma), also practically getting away with wiping out all lives in the multiverse and nearly destroying all the timelines until Zeno erased him.
It makes one wonder why he’s on the Hate Sink wiki, but not Ridley; who, in my opinion is more hateful.
@@CalamityLegend yeah I understand why he is hate sink, I just find it a bit strange that he is but other villains aren’t. I think Zamasu has some evil is cool moments. Plus he is an interesting villain. Other Dragon Ball villains like Frieza also had hate sink moments too.
I also agree with you that Ridley is probably more hateful too
As time goes on I can understand Zamasu
It’s like admiring heroes, but later understanding villains a lot more as you get older like green goblins speech from the Spider-Man movies.
@@tada8874 As kids we love the heroes, but as adults we understand the villains. This is why we enjoy villains more than heroes, because they relate more to us. Usually heroes are portrayed as perfect, whereas heroes aren’t, just like us, humans. Also, some villains have valid points, but they take it too far. Zamasu feels like a villain who came straight from Legend of Korra.
@@unromanoarecareanaveragero8275
Heroes were designed during the great depression to bring hope
Nowadays so many adults are hopeless that they'd find it easier to be evil
It also doesn't help that since most villains are sympathetic and relatable it drives in the idea that all people are evil bastards
@@lmaobox4068 r/Im14andthisisdeep
That's exactly like saying Hitler was a good guy lol
Zamasu does have a point. We do hate each other and declare war.
We take our gifts for granted
Indeed.
@@LaZonaDiRin3743 his logic is right for the most part, but his actions are wrong
I would say you are right, But what he is doing is killing all for the mistakes of the many, while killing the innocent few as well…it’s a more hatred filled Mindset than anything else…less Justice, and more Disgust….It’s kinna like seeing one country filled with Thieves and Murderers, and saying “All Countries are that way”
Not all of us.
@@Amirisphere true
I like how every discussion had with Zamasu pertaining to mortals involves tea in some manner, representing what is going through Zamasu’s head at any given moment.
He first starts making the pure, clear tea, showing that his mind is pure and without anxiety or question. Then he starts asking questions about what’s going on in the world, about mortals and their actions, making the tea clouded with dark streaks showing where his thought process is going. Then you get the pure black tea, a bitter reminder not only of the sociopathic mindset Zamasu’s is nourishing, but also foretelling where this Zamasu will eventually end up(he becomes Goku Black). Then it goes back to being pure again, no darkness present, showing either that he has masked his sociopathy with just motives, or that he is truly a pure hearted being whose sense of Justice has become extreme.
And on this note, now I feel like drinking some tea, which I might make myself some later lol.
But yes, it does show us how Zamasu changes. Technically, he is still “pure of heart” even if he’s also pure evil. Even if his actions are clearly not the right thing to do, he believes that it is. This also means that hypothetically he could probably ride the flying nimbus.
It goes to show us that “pure heart” and “pure good” are not the same thing.
His heart is pure, pure evil to the core
@@shawerful5209 When you grow older you don't see everything as black and white as you thinking are now
Hard to believe Zamasu was played by James Marsters from Dragonball: Evolution. I guess this is his apology for that movie. I accept.
Such a better role for him, amirite? He had talent, and he actually got to use it well for something.
@DarkSlayerShadow77 best part, you can tell how passionate he was about this one because he did it for _free._
@@anhilliator1 wait really?
@@ShadowDante7 yep
Hell, he even fought to make Piccolo green in the movie
Man, i kinda miss zamasu, he was probably one of the best db villains out there, unless youd like to count some Z villains.
Same man this was by far the best saga in Super. This is when the show really kicked off. After that? Ehhh
Better than all of the Z villains by a mile. He’s the only one with actual reasons and context besides “I’m evil”
Let's be honest here, none of the Z villains even remotely compare to him, unless you count Vegeta, who was only interesting because of his character development and not his role as a villain. The rest were just evil just because mostly.
Honestly think Zamasu is more complex than villains from Z also. Especially Frieza and Buu. Only ones I think were as complex was Android 16,17, and 18
@@duolingoowl920 dbs is horrible, Zamasu was horrible, the future trunks arc was overall horrible. not to mention dbz villains were quite literally the reincarnation of evil, Buu for example. Zamasus hole plot was "oh I hate mortals, only gods should exist blah blah." not to mention how a majority of ppl saying dbz villains are horrible never watched dbz lol.
Zamasu reminds me of when Sensui watched Chapter Black in Yu Yu Hakusho. Chapter Black (a video of all human evil) is supposed to be watched along with Chapter White( a video of humans greatest triumphs) but he only saw Chapter Black so he didn't see as much of the good. Gowasu was in the wrong for only showing Zamasu the evil of mortals and not the good.
Well for what we know not all the universe were as advanced as "universe 7", but what gowasu wanted to show at zamasu was that with time creatures can change and evolve,but sadly not all of them (i mean zamasu for how Extreme his metods were he said the truth, for example we humans continue to evolve but at the end we return on our feet and kill each others for power, religion or some piece of land, when we are one race at the end that should help each others to evolve and stay in peace, instead we do the opposite)
Also Sensui like Zamasu had sacred godlike energy, had multiple personalities and fought the protagonist with godlike power. In Sensui's case Yusuke was a demon or half demon.
Gowasu should’ve showed Zamasu Chapter White
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-Zamasu (CJDaChamp Edition)
And he hasn't got to even learn about Frieza.
Oh boy lol
I'm pretty sure Zuno would have mentioned Frieza to Zamasu when he asks to know literally everything about Goku.
I think this is the point where Zamasu was truly lost. I think anyone would look at Goku and decide Goku has done good for the sake of his friends, Earth and Namek in general, and his love of fighting, which also explains to Zamasu why he's so strong, and just left it at that. Zamasu saw that and was like "I NEED THAT SHIT, and still fuck mortals" xD
@@LordRazziano he wouldve been amazed and fascinated
@@godzillagurus576 If your saying zamasu would be amazed and fascinated by freizas actions you are dead wrong, he would be completely disgusted
@@yardite5785 i was talking about when Zamasu finds more about Goku’s personality and traits not frieza, dumbass
Zamasu would’ve been a great God of Destruction, had he been taken down that path instead of the path of a Supreme Kai. He had the perfect mindset for one: Certain mortals are bad to keep around, so they should be destroyed. But since he was trained to be a Supreme Kai, he just continued to watch mortals, which eventually led to his mind becoming corrupted, making him become an even bigger problem for the universe than mortals ever were.
Late reply, but i do think his teacher didn't help and felt like he wasn't a good fit for him. It was obviously a really bad choice to have Zamasu watch primitive creatures fight each other and i don't understand why his teacher kept making him watch that and completely ignore how much it was effecting him and not thinking of trying something else to show him. While we saw the primitive creatures slowly become a civilization, he was being forced to watch them hurt and kill each other over and over, to do what? just slowly watch them barely change after thousands of years have passed? I think he should of been taken to places were civilization was already up and running and modern. To see people living and interacting with each other peacefully. Let him see the good stuff then show him the bad stuff after so he can see for himself that people/creatures can change and how much they have changed. I saw another comment suggesting that his teacher should of had Zamasu try and make his own civilization and cultivate a planet with high moral level or something. And i think trying that is a better solution than making him watch brutes that can't talk at all. I also thought at one point while watching the show about how good he would be as a god of destruction. He wouldn't be lazy like beerus that's for sure. And he would be able to vent out his frustration by just doing his job and not be harassed by people telling him what they think is good and bad
If zamasu was the god of destruction, dragon ball would’ve ended in BOG
@@lackamoo965 But he’s in Universe 10, so that wouldn’t happen unless he was still corrupt and decided to go through with the Zero Mortals Plan after becoming a Destroyer.
Unfortunately for Zamasu, only mortals are allowed to become GoDs
Curse you mortals, you now realize what world has become.
Man zamasu was born to speak fax😂😂😂💀💀💀
It was not that funny
@@nineteennineteensixteensix4862 nah its funny because you're useless and you're mad about it
After 2 years of playing genshin and recently quitting, Zamasu is damn right about mortals😭
these mortals pays 29.99 for onlyfans when the hub is free- well said zamasu
Lol
That's literally my favorite video on RUclips lol
I've never seen a joke sooo poorly lmaooo.
Tbh
Zamasu is probably speaking facts about mortal in own world
I think he incorporate both what we humans are and what we could do as a unite race, zamasu wanted a multiverse in peace but at the end he became what he was trying to destroy, his character started with good ideals but the more the arc progress the more crazy he become
@@tizianocannavo8527 💀i didn’t got a notification from this
@@MichaelSchumacher6 Oh lol
@@tizianocannavo8527 only if the arc wasn’t rushed
Well yeah they have good concepts but they should have take more time
Zamasu should've been a destroyer instead of a kai maybe underneath a destroyer he could've learned control and forged a better path punishing those who deserve it
Or steal a alternate beerus' body and then killed the supreme kai (but that begs the question would that kill him too?)
@@unspeakableflame420 maybe under the guidance of whis or another angel he would've been better
Absolutely, he defenitley seems to fit the role of someone who plucks the weeds instead of an idle gardener watching them grow out of control. It's just Zamasu saw all plantlife as weeds
"all these monsters just fight and seek power, they have brains yet dont use it for wisdom"
also zamasu: "let's fight mortals and seek power"
I've always said that Zamasu was right, given the context and how the Dragon Ball world works. Mortals here are comparable to a disease that infects and spreads for no good reason other than to corrupt and destroy. If divine beings do exist, beings of purity and harmony, why should beings with inherently flawed natures be allowed to disrupt that harmony? Not just why shouldn't they be destroyed, but why were they granted the gift of life to begin with?
If you really think about it, mortals are the source of all conflict and despair in Dragon Ball. Without people like Frieza roaming around, nobody of a kind heart has any reason to risk life and limb like the protags do. There would be no conflict, and higher beings like the Kais could simply live in peace. They wouldn't have to constantly worry about stability.
Granted, Kais and Destroyers exist for the sole purpose of maintaining stability in their respective universes, but it didn't have to be that way. Divine beings could have simply just existed for the sake of existing, and it could have been left at that. From the perspective of someone like Zamasu, the very existence of mortals in and of itself would seem worthless. It seems to me that if everyone could see things the way he does, death and pain could be a thing of the past. Harmony could exist once again.
That said, it all comes down to what the Omni-King wishes. And I suppose he likes mortals. So it's pretty simple at that point.
Being an immortal/god doesn't exempt you from being corrupt and disrupting harmony
Zamasu's existence is the whole point of that
The way I see it, mortals "are allowed to exist" because they aren't really "inferior" in any way
"Every seed needs time to grow", mortals just don't have that time, because they're, well, mortals
Who are the gods to judge mortals? When they have infinite time whilst they don't?
They're just reflections of the gods, a kind of 'made in their image' type beat, ones with just less guidance and time
Whilst mortals may be the source of all evil and despair, they're also the only source of good and compassion
You cannot have light without darkness, good without evil, hot without cold etc etc etc
Who are the gods to judge? You don't blame a bird for having wings, you don't blame a fish for having fins
They maintain balance and remain neutral because they recognize that beings with free will will naturally choose varying paths
They may be pure by nature, but so are mortal babies
That does not mean they are incorruptible or flawless
These divine beings are inheritenly human
@@aurum3747 Not to discredit the time you put into this comment. And nothing against you or your opinion.
But to me personally, that doesn't make any sense at all. I don't think you're giving the Gods enough credit for what they are. I think any conflict or malice the Gods may have, stems from mortals to begin with.
And I do also disagree on the front that mortals not are inferior in some ways. If not all ways. I mean even Zamasu, who is portrayed as evil and malicious, and a "Failed God" if you will, only wants beauty and tranquility. That's his goal. And I think his thoughts process that eliminating whatever prevents that at all cost, isn't so incorrect.
Also, if Mortals are just Gods without the time to develop, why not just give them indefinite lifespans? Would that not literally make them the same as Gods and completely solve the issue? Might as well give them inherent God ki too. If they aren't so very different, but one is mortal and often evil, and the other is immortal and most often good, why not just remove mortality from the equation?
And finally, I do sort of disagree with the whole "No light without dark" analogy. The idea of balance works in a lot of circumstances but it seems out of place here. It's sort of an ambiguous explanation for a logical conversation.
All that said though, again, nothing against you. I enjoy having these conversations about something we mutually enjoy.
@phasomyr Zamasu only wanted beauty and tranquility yes but like, so did Hitler! And plenty of other evil people out there.
He justified doing terrible acts for the greater good, believing that the Aryan race was inherently superior and everything else should be eliminated for being impure and flawed. He was the scum of the earth but in the end, his ambitions were incredibly patriotic and he fought for the "good" of his people
Sound familiar?
You're right, I don't really give enough credit to the gods because I don't really see them as flawless
Yes, Zamasu's corruption stems from his belief about ***mortals*** but the fact that he got corrupted in the first place is telltale enough that they aren't infallible
If no mortals existed, he'd most certainly be the kind of guy to rally up about some other problem in the land of the kais, and the another
He's inherently egotistical and narcissistic, he has that awful mentality of greater good
Mortals existing just gave him a clear, big and flawed target to fuel his way of thinking
The light and darkness analogy was more for the mortal side, because in eliminating all mortals you also eliminate all GOOD mortals, which most would agree, is an awful thing
But, eliminating all BAD mortals sets a moral precedent, it sets hard rules on morality which is just an extremely big can of worms since the morality of acts and such actually changed based on societal rules
Which is why neutrality whilst favoring the side of righteousness is the best choice imo (At least, if I were to imagine myself as some divine being)
I'm not quite sure on the lore of Kais, could they do that? Could they give mortals god ki and immortality? Is that even possible?
Zeno could do it I'm sure but that guy is the definition of just... "I'll do whatever the fuck I want lol"
And even then, you could make the argument that mortality only enhances the vetting process of morality
It's easy to be good and neutral when you have absolutely no obstacles, opposition or hardship. It brings into question, are the Kais actually pure or do they simply not face any issue that would make you otherwise?
Zamasu faced the issue of his convictions differing from the norm and let his ego fester, just like a mortal, and so he got corrupted like one
And likewise, wouldn't you say that a being who was born amidst such hardships, among several other corrupted ones and fated to die who chooses the path of righteousness still
Is the most "good" of all?
I argue completely in favor of not interfering unless necessary and like you said, it's fine if we disagree!
Discussions like this really are fun, no offense is taken
Oh! And as an addendum
Time to grow doesn't need to be immortality
Granting immortality to all mortals is just going to let evil people continue to be evil forever
The time to grow the elder kai refers to is most likely societal growth
Anyone who has ever watched a video about medieval torture methods can tell you, we've come a long way
Especially in the recent 100 years
Abolishing slavery, granting voting rights to minorities, giving way to self expression and sexuality, condemning cruel acts that were once considering normal or expected
Whilst yes, there is still an uncountable amount of evil in this world, there is no arguing against the fact that we've improved as whole and no doubt will continue improving as long as we don't set of that "kill everyone" button
Every seed indeed needs time to grow
Zamasu is right in the sense that ideally, there should be a gardner to pluck out the weeds, but a bad gardner would hurt the roots and kill the plant whilst doing so
And the gods can very much so be bad gardners, so just keeping the balance turns out to be the most achievable growing condition
After all, plants can still grow well despite weeds, if they couldn't, we wouldn't have forests!
I mean, even the divine beings of this setting are *created* things that exist to fulfill a role. They aren't the gardeners, they're the nitrogen-fixing bacteria in the soil.
Zamasu: I want all the mortals gone
Gowasu: This tea tho
Gowasu me fr 🍵
1:45
James Marsters really killed this part, he delivered that line perfectly.
"among those weeds are the seeds of beautiful flowers. Even a rose is surrounded by thorns"
-Me
Zamasu: I don't see why the primitive mortals should exist if all they do is bring chaos and ruin.
Gowasu: I see your point, but just to prove that every mortal should be given a shot on their justification of choice and life, I want to show you just that-
*Proceeds to show the very doubtful student a race of literal primitive mortals savagely killing one another*
Gowasu: See? Everyone should have a chance. You understand now right?
Zamasu: ....oh. Oh I understand all right....
*hand starts to glow behind his teacher's back*
Zamazu had the right pov and he was completley right about everything he said, but he’s not justified, at the end of the day he is a massive hypocrite and is still a villian, I love him because he’s such a deep complex character who is seeing potential completley wasted on useless things, and also goku black is just a straight up badass
Zamasu has a good point, sadly everything he said is not true. It's right humans destroy, as he said they spread corruption, but by doing so, humans that have done something nice is going to waste, even from failure humans try to achieve something good. In my conclusion Zamasu is too arrogant to see things completely.
Exactly. He’s right about some things but wrong about others
@@ShadowDante7"I LOOK DOWN ON EXISTENCE ON A MUCH HIGHER PERSPECTIVE THEN YOU DO! I WITNESS THIS WORLD, THIS UNIVERSE, AND THE TRUTH OF ALL THINGS!"
@@ExtremeGamerOfficial.That brings deeper understanding Wisdom”
BRO, IF HUMANITY WANTED TO GET THEIR S*** TOGETHER THEY WOULD HAVE DONE SO. HISTORY PROVES THIS. HOW ARE YOU NOT SEEING PARALLELS? ZAMASU IS A GOD. AS A GOD OF CREATION IT'S FUTILE EXERCISE TO WATCH YOUR GARDEN & NOT TENDER TO THEM BY PLUCKING OUT THE WEEDS.
He reminds me of Thanos: As long as there are those who remember what was there will always be those that are unable to accept what can be.
The only difference is that while thanks wanted to balance out the universe by wiping out half of it (which makes no sense logically) whereas zamasu wanted to wipe out all mortals in the multiverse to obtain true and everlasting peace.
FYI: Zamasu and Goku Black possess Pure Heart as one of their passive skills in Dragon Ball Fusions
It’s really strange but it’s actually true lol
@@ShadowDante7 Because he believed what he was doing was right, and it was humans who were wrong.
It's his Justice
@@archieness2304That’s so dumb. People do evil all the time thinking that what they’ll eventually get is good. No Evil is done without first believing that it is to achieve good. Adolf Hitler believed he was doing Good by eliminating the “jewish scourge” and allowing the Aryan Race to thrive, but in the end he was really the greatest example of evil. By this logic, even the most rotten of beings are good.
Tl;dr: actions are louder than words or beliefs.
@@archieness2304 He was mostly right, all he needed was to kill those who are evil/bad, if he became a god of destruction then he would be fine
I mean he is sorta right about history repeating over and over
He is absolutely right. The reason why we mortals disdain everyone who thinks like Zamasu is because we're mortals; our lifetime is limited, and so being alive benefits us. It's not the best argument against Zamasu's but it's all we've got.
No, Zamasu is just a narcissist incapable of understanding other beings point of view. The reason that mortals behave the way they do, is because resources are scarce. If you look at more developed countries in our world you'll notice that they're far more peaceful than their poorer counterparts. This is because they have greater access to resources which limits the need for violence.
True, but humans already think like him and im all for it
“Mortals do NOT succumb to evil, they ARE the evil.” Ohh, how right he was 🔥
Zamasu is completely in the right about mortals.
Not when you realize that the universe itself isn't perfect, nor these gods. They, if he is right, are the greater evil by letting it happen. Then you got the fact he too is born/created, thus a mortal himself.
Zamasu: Mortals are evil!
Also Zamasu: *trades bodies with one*
Lol
Beerus: Allow me to introduce myself!!
Lol then he straight up kills him.
He deserved it though. Poor Gowasu, I feel so bad for him :(
@@ShadowDante7 true
@@almontebernabel2003 such a nice, wise and humble man. I’d love to drink tea and chat with him.
My dude signed up for the wrong school.
Should have gone to Beerus instead...
After all if you wanna do swift divine justice with you being the judge then be a destroyer.
Not a Kai...
Oh well rip one of the villains that actually had a personality, crazy as he was at least he stood out a lot to me.
Really wanted him to meet frieza and get his point proven actually
I mean he isn't wrong. Basically the Ultron thing: Look on the internet for like 5 minutes, and decide humanity is too sick to survive. Harsh, but fair.
From what i remember he Is much more older than Ultron and has seen that scenario many times
Hardly fair. Some people on the internet don't represent even 10% of the population. One can't judge everyone based on what some do. Is just that simple. Everyone must be judged individually, not as a part of a group. To put all in the same sack is just accentuating the negative, and is just generalization.
@@DiogoJ1 yeah but zamasu and Ultron aren't even near the same with their goals tbh
Zamasu opened Twitter
Lol can’t blame him then
Zana's us right about martials and also alien's.
Zamasu is actually all teenagers that are on a Villain Arc they wish to be
An immortal seeing mortals with a mortal's point of view. He would make a great mortal, ironically. If you are to see only the bad from your ivory tower, I guess what happened was not really very unexpected.
dude lowkey looks like a kinda hot version of the goblin from clash of clans
Yeah ikr? XD Zamasu is good looking
Lord Dominator from Wonder of Yonder.
He looks like a girl to me
@@Skilledpuffno10 if you look at him on a certain angle then yeah I can kinda see it lol
I can't believe it but I sympathize with Zamasu.
If he was groomed as a destroyer he'd have been fine
Just show Zamasu the entire dbz cast saving the supreme kai from the seventh universe by working together and sacrificing themselves just to defeat majin buu
Bro I'ma be real In Dbs Zamasu and Goku black are 2 of my favorite villans
They’re my favourite (canon) Dragon Ball villains
Who are others
Something that proves his rightness is how the tea clears at the end of his speech showing his intentions were righteous and pure of heart, not just stemming from hatred
Zamasu's early ideologies are the compass by which Gods of Destruction guide their universes toward having a high mortal level. We know that Gowasu and Rumsshi do not meet Zeno's standards, and I believe that is in no small part due to their tolerance of barbarism. Zamasu was better suited to be the disciple of a God of Destruction, not a Kai.
don't care what anyone says this is my favorite arc in the series
Same. This and Cell saga
Based@@ShadowDante7
@@Necronoxicon261 🤝
And not only are they my favourite sagas, but Cell and Zamasu are also my two favourite villains and by far is what made both sagas so great for me (if we’re counting non canon villains, than Cooler tied in the top 3 with them as well)
Zamasu was right about evil thanos or humans too.
Zanasu about evil thanos who murder trillions.
I think Zamasu’s biggest problem was that was wasn’t a god of destruction. It led him down the wrong path trying to take justice in his own hands.
All too true, if he was a god of destruction he could get rid of evil with out it being a issue
I dunno, if he was a GOD, he probably would've went ham with his power and started destroying everything that didn't fit his vision.
The only thing I can think of as a benefit is that he'd have an Angel to hopefully rein him in, but that feels up in the air.
With that kind of power he'd surely try to wreak havoc across the multiverse, it wasn't his position that was the problem it was his arrogant and cynical mindset. While mortals are far from perfect, he was too blinded to see the good that came out of their existence and instead strictly focused on the bad. Ironically enough that view is what breeds violence and atrocities in the first place, I'm sure just about every mass shooter felt a similar way that Zamasu did before deciding to carry it out.
Zamasu is also saying that even if bad elements are removed, then they will be reborn from good elements because good elements also have bad emotions within even if their qi, jin, yin and yang are balanced. basically, the same mistakes are being made over and over again and it is a vicious cycle that can not be helped like how he mentioned weeds having to be removed in order for good crops to thrive.
He is right and even in a reality where he never met goku, even if he alone never intended to carry out his insane campaign, he would still have those unorthodox thoughts in his head and never have a clear view on mortals.
Would love to see Zamasu have a conversation with Spike from Buffy. For no particular reason.
The older I get the more I agree with zamasu
Same
Try not to be as hypocrite as him.
Imagine if Gowasu showed him that one part when Goku killed King Kai with Cell lmao.
Lol
Everytime Zamasu says something to denigrate mortals, I can immediately picture Gowasu yelling "Zamasu!".. 🤣
Zamasu changing the color of the tea with his talk for 3 minutes 💀
I honestly see some of his critiques of mortals, what he fails to understand is that he is so haughty about it all.
He doesn’t even realize he is the problem, he’s the issue, he’s the absolute evil in the arc.
There’s no redemption for there kind. This world needs to be reset.
ZAMASU 😮
yeah
I could listen to him talk all day
He was right. His voice truly is intoxicating
Zamasu is the reason why I should not have superpowers
I low-key regret killing zamasu
Lol what’s up Lord Beerus
@@ShadowDante7 what's up mortal
Should made him a punching bag foe saiyans to train
@@lordbeerus5722I didnt know you was chill like that, Lord Beerus.
@@TheWeb-Slinger just give him food and he will be ok
When all you see is hate and corruption
You are often blind to the love and justice that comes along with it
Zamasu spent so much time believing he was a purely divine being that was above sin that he forgot the most important thing mortal beings are capable of and that's evolution,living creatures evolve and grow overtime,the barbarians were no exception to this,it might take them 1000s of years but eventually they might have developed a post scarcity society where everyone lives peacefully,if only their creators had been patient and took time to understand and appreciate them despite their flaws...
What is there to appreciate? we don't know a thing about the barbarians other than their enjoyment of slaughtering each other for no real reason. even WE weren't that bloodthirsty at our beginning!
David Gray voiced him perfectly
He is evil and top 3 evil DB villains but Frieza is way more evil .Zamasu did what he did because he thought it was right. Frieza does what he does for fun. That's it. Frieza has no motive other than he is a psychopath. That makes him the most evil villain.
I mean Zamasu sorta was right, but he was only shown the worst of mortals. He never actually experienced kindness in mortals.
Something about this VA performance
For real man
The problem wasn’t that he was wrong about mortals, the problem was how he tried to solve it, which made him infinitely worse.
Indeed
From the sounds of it Gowasu probably should’ve made Zamasu a God of Destruction. He’d have made a great one if Gowasu hadn’t just stood by and watched as he started concocting an omnicide.
Zamasu did nothing wrong
Lol
This comment was made by Zamasu. In fact, every comment and this video were made by Zamasu and his counterparts
@@josephgrube wait a minute, so does this mean that I’m Zamasu too?
@@ShadowDante7 Yes
@@josephgrube seems legit
Lucifer before the Fall
Pretty much
The devil and zamasu are completely different lol don't compare them
@@masternabber5560 cope
His not because android 17 restored all the universes instead of a selfish wish. Gowasu smiled when he realised after he was brought back. Zamasu should have had "patiance," like Gowasu said. Because he didn't give mortals the time to develop and emerge beauty.
I think he's similar to LBD (Monkie Kid)
Both wanted to make the world better
Both had warped views on humanity
Both were destroyed by heroes
Both were willing to use extreme methods
(Trunks with Zamasu and MK with LBD)
Beerus would be rethinking after Modi, Trump, Biden, bolsonaro, Putin, COVID, etc
Modi😂😂😂😂
Don’t really think you compare Biden to anyone else on that list.
the fact that the tea was pure at the end
Yep. It shows that while his morals are twisted, he is technically pure of heart
@@ShadowDante7 Zamasu did nothing wrong
@@KartoffelXP20XS on god
There is nothing wrong about removing evil, well he might be a bit wrong with the scenes of other zamasu straight killing gokus family and innocents (i wonder what gohan was thinking in that timeline after his whole family just got killed)
I'd be sick of mortals' shit, too, if I lived in a world with Frieza's family terrorizing the cosmos for years.
In the manga Zamasu is shown to be even more of an hypocrite because when they visit the Babarians' world in the future they saw traces of culture and respect towards an elderly figure before he kills one of them.
But I love the tea thing the anime did and his conversationa with Gowasu.
a point I've heard and liked was that Zamasu probably wouldn't have gone off the deep end if universe 10's God of Destruction actually did his job. They're supposed to be the ones that tend the garden that the Kais plant.
aka gowasu being a highkey horrible mentor for 3 minutes
Wow it’s so many people in here with great insights. This is why I love the dragon ball community 🔥🔥🔥
zamasu's mistake was trying to think like a mortal. he should of stuck to being the god he claims to be
Zamasu has a sense of justice, he wants the good of the universe, then Goasu took him as a student to be a supreme kai to observe the other world and the living world and protect it at all costs, but watching how everything reproduces and dies all the time is enough to turn anybody go mad
As I’m getting older… I understand this dudes POV more. I’m not condoning his methods of course but we need to do better …
Exactly
Zamasu the unique bastard.
free will can be extremely dangerous if there are no heads of it
zamasu tough its naturally evil
This is why I would do the Zero Mortals Plan myself if I could. He’s right!
sometimes I wish I had the Megiddo Ark on standby.
Zamasu lowkey thinks we did some shit wrong and he is LOWKEY RIGHT
If mortals did not exist for him to lord over, he would no longer be better than them. One can not be a god if that is the DeFacto existence. He would simply be... _normal_
Can you imagine if Zamasu had been U7's North Kai!?
Gowasu was a lousy teacher tbh
I just don't understand why he didn't show Zamasu a nice civilization that respected one another. Surely, planet Barbary wasn't the only one in their universe right?