Why I No Longer Support the Two-State Solution for Israel and Palestine: Gadi Taub
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- Gadi Taub is an Israeli historian, author, and commentator known for his work in political and cultural criticism. He holds a Ph.D. in American Studies from Rutgers University and is a faculty member at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, where he teaches in the School of Public Policy and the Department of Communications and Journalism.
He has written several books, both fiction and non-fiction, exploring themes of Israeli identity, politics, and culture. Notable titles include "The Settlers and the Struggle over the Meaning of Zionism" and "The Valley of the Cross," a novel.
Taub is a prominent voice in Israeli media, known for his critical views on various aspects of Israeli society and politics. He has written extensively on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the role of religion in Israeli politics, and the country's democratic challenges. Besides his academic work, Taub is a frequent contributor to newspapers, magazines, and television programs in Israel, providing analysis and commentary on current events and political developments.
He is known for his outspoken and sometimes controversial opinions. He has been critical of the Israeli left, the settlement movement, and certain aspects of liberalism, often sparking debate and discussion within Israeli society and beyond.
He is co-host of the / @israelupdate-
Israel Update is a video podcast hosted by Israeli historian and political commentator Gadi Taub and Michael Doran. The show offers news from the ground as well as an unparalleled insider perspective on the war.
This interview was conducted by Pamela Paresky.
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"Where is the Palestinian peace movement?". . . a question main stream media never asks.
Because it never ever existed to begin with.
Where was the ANC peace movement in South Africa? Or the Kurdish peace movement or the Ukrainian etc etc, This is not a classic war. This’s a war of occupation. This war will only stop if the occupied people give up, or if the occupier withdraw. Israel withdrew from Gaza, to wildly re-settle in the West Bank. What this dishonest individual fell to mention is that just months after the withdrawal of Israel from Gaza they imposed a total blockade to the enclave. With the complicity the Egyptians. Since 2006 Gaza was under a total blockade, until last they broke out of this prison in October 7th 2023
how can a people that admit they love death, have a peace movement?
They get killed or seek refuge in Israel or the West.
Conflating Palestinians with terr0rists is a weak argument when the first terr0rists were zi0nists. this is how they created state of i$real by b0mbing, killling, stealing. It's embedded in izrael government.
I hate to agree, but Gadi's words align with reality..
Why do you hate to agree? You must be that Israeli progressive left that is still struggling?
Why do you hate to agree?
Yes, why?
Completely sensible: You cant want for another people what they never even imagined wanting for themselves. There is no two state solution
So we are bound to have one state with two classes of people?
Or will you allow the Palestinians to take full part in society with voting and representation rights 🤔
@@mandelleliit's not the time. Palestinians are radicalized, Islamists and full of hate. Maybe in a few generations even a one state solution can work. To have a liberal democracy most people need to share the same basic concepts and ideas. 90% of the Palestinians believe in capital punishment for apostasy, among many other beliefs that are incompatible with majority Israelis or liberal values.
@@mandelleliArabs can move to Jordan. Keep in mind that Jordan was supposed to be part of Israel. It is now without any Jews(as other Arab countries) . India and Pakistan exchange population.
@@mandelleli Yes one state! Israel and Palestine becoming one nation were everyone are equals with equal voting rights. But first you guys need to stop firing at eachother.
@@krissalkond Set the unicorns free! Invite the angels to celebrate! One nation under Allah! Did you actually watch the video, and if you did, do you understand English (Gadi was not speaking Hebrew)
Anyone who thinks the two state solution is possible doesn't understand anything.
anyone who thinks a 1SS is a sulution or possible doesn't understand anything. What's the alternative? What are the borders? Does Israel want 20-30 years of 'South Lebanon' x100? It already has 30% of serving age men who are Hasidic and don't serve in the IDF and don't work, how will that look in 30 years time when they are 50% of the population? Genuinely, slogans are great, nobody can trust the Palestinian leadership but occupation will be like a cancer on Israel and eat it from within more effectively than anything Hamaz can do.
They can be shifted to Lebanon or Egypt. Jerusalem will ever remain for the Jews
@PefHana-yt9wf Yeah, ultimately, Judea and Samaria will be annexed to Israel. Palestinians can assimilate or emigrate.
@@EzraB123True, I think the world will be in uproar if this happens. They forget about Pakistan and how it was formed from India...literally taken from a sovereign state to from a country for Muslims. Resulted in mass migration of peoples, the most ever in the worlds history. But all the Western elites forget about that....I think on purpose.
Here are the options:
- two states
- one state, democratic, arab majority
- one state, apartheid (de facto the current situation)
- one state, democratic, jewish majority after ethnic cleansing
Pick one!
This guy is fantastic to listen to. Crazy how the left works.
crazy that he doesn't give a genuine realistic plan of how is a 1SS would happen. Feelings are all great, but how is he going to wish away 5 million Arabs?
@@SionTJobbins, can you give a genuine realistic plan?
Nobody said anything about getting rid of all the Arabs. But just like after the Nazis were defeated, German society had to be deradicalized.
@@Kurtlane you can also ask for a "solution"
This is the one issue where the Left is right and the so-called Anti-Woke wrong since Zionism is a woke identity politics and made absurd demands on third parties in a country they weren't from because of victimization in Europe. If you are anti-woke, you have to sympathize with the Palestinians at least in the Mandate period or you aren't principled, just an opportunist with special pleading for one sacred victim group only.
Excellent analysis. Two state solution is an unattainable acedemic quagmire.
Most academic scenarios are a quagmire.
Ok there’s no state solution, then what is the solution?
@@Qnsmsdrelocate them far from israel
You are European sir from khazarian empire it’s not your land never will be you will never win this battle and it won’t end well for you if you don’t stop this supremacy attitude
@@Lalahlannd not sure why you think lying about us is going ti get you anywhere
We just realised 2 states does not = please. Because they have shown they are not partners for peace. Simple as that.
AM YISRAEL CHAI
One state - where you are accountable to the rule of law - get used to it
Israel forever..🙏♥️🇮🇱
@@ofrapeters3952 how about an AD 70 style national park?
@@ofrapeters3952 Israel in the dust bin of history, forever
@@FelixLaMannaIn your dreams !
He is just a realist
He was the opposite for many many years, therefore he was also a huge part of the problem
Yes, in reality there can never be two states because the israli government are genocidal racists
I’m an Israeli from Haifa, always believed in 2 states. Oct 7 changed my mind not because of the attack, but the reaction of Gazans. They could not have been happier. I’m sad to say I agree with everything he said here, survival comes first
Of course they were happy because they saw some revenge. You can't keep people in a prison and meaning that there won't be a reaction....
@@stefansollberger5658and Gaza? An open air prison? Really? Do open air prisons have plenty of restaurants? Car dealerships?
Gazans are ungrateful whiny little antisemitic Muslims
@bellaadamowicz8380I honestly don’t know. Here’s a little insight from Haifa, which has a large Arab population and I also speak Arabic because my mom was born in Damascus.
Both Jordan and Egypt don’t want to annex the territories because they will overthrow the regime and/or create chaos.
Arab Israelis here can be very critical of the government but have no interest in living in a Palestinian state.
Unfortunately, the Palestinians have become so radicalized that they have isolated themselves, except for Iran
@@stefansollberger5658I used to sympathize a bit with their situation, and then they kidnapped children and assaulted our women. And they celebrated.
That’s not resistance, that’s evil. If it’s war they want, it’s war they get
@bellaadamowicz8380 Yes, prison. Israel has had a military blockade around Gaza for quite some time now, controlling their water, fuel, electricity, communications and food supply, right down to deciding how many calories someone gets to have.
As a non Israeli, I believed in the Two-State-Solution for a long time, because it looked like the logical solution, but I didn't take into account that a majority of the Palestinians don't want a part of Israel/Palestine, but all of it with all Jews 'gone' (with the prospect of total genocide on the Jews in Israel). I didn't know how many rockets Hamas fired into Israel until 2023, which were 6,000 to my knowledge atm. On October 7th, and with all the Pro-Palestine protests starting the next day, I changed my mind. Now, I believe, a Two-State-Solution would be a grave error, for the sake of Israel, but also to the entire middle east. Israel need to be able to defend itself against a far numerous enemy, and the West need to support Israel (as it beeds to support Ukraine). And we need to embrace all possible allies, such as the suppressed people of Iran. I am German and I stand with Israel and Ukraine.
@Andre99328 have you been to Isreal or been paying attention? Lol Israelis don't want it either and never have...neither side wants it and no one willing to impose a solution..certainly not us here in the United States who have been that toxic friends who enables and tells a drunk on violence israeli state to take one drink. Sad state of affairs
BRICS and global South are rising. No future for Israel in the coming decades. It will be a Palestinian state with minority jews and christians living among majority Muslims. Jesus told me 😊
@Ninoblack88 of course there is an audience for haaretz. They're not throwing their articles into the void. If you listen to the video at all, you would have learned that Israel had a powerful left wing who believed strongly in land for peace. The second intifada and now October 7th have considerably weakened that left wing. Saying something like "Israelis don't want a two-state solution" like it's some monolithic fact of nature is misleading and willfully deceptive. Israeli society is naturally an understandably reacting to the events of the last two decades. Given a reliable indicator that most Palestinians don't want to massacre them, that would change.
I am not in favour of Israel anymore...
@@Andre99328 this is a forever war until one side is dissolved. Which ones, we will find out.
There is already an Arab state, it is called Jordan which OCCUPIES almost 80% of the original Palestine British mandate. Also let's stop calling the local Arabs "Palestinians"...no such ethnicity.
Or Syrians or Lebanese or Jordanians or iraqis
Absolutely !!!
Jordan was not intended to be Palestine. It was made part of the Palestine mandate but was administered differently from the very start. Also, at this time, the Arab population of Palestine was double that of Jordan, it’s beyond insane to suggest that Jordan is the home of Palestinian Arabs.
Also, the Palestinians aren’t an ethnicity, just like the Lebanese, Jordanians, Saudis, emirates, Syrians and Iraqis are not an ethnicity. It’s a national group.
@@abdihakimjama1556 its an national identity using the colonized name of the Kingdoms of Judah and Israel. Its see through identity theft, being a tool to justify a land claim that has zero legitimacy. And its no surprise this national fabrication happened after the 1967 war, a war of aggression started by the Jordanians and lost by the Jordanians, resulting in Judea being re-captured by the Jews. Between 1948 and 1967 when the Jordanians flew their flag in Judea and called it the west bank of Jordan, there was never any screams of occupation by the so called "palestianins" THEN.
This excuse of a cause is nothing but what it has always been and thats an attempt to liquidate Israel. And every time teh arabs attack Israel it just get worse and worse and the whole world has to listen to this endless whining.
There is pan-arab identity and thats it. Pre-1948 arabs hated palestinians because they considered them Yahood. Arabs held up banners saying, "We are all Syrians" They didn't aspire to a 22nd arab state called palestine, they wanted a super state that included the eradication of Israel, just like the 7th century caliphate.
Jordan is 75% arabs who once lived in the geographical region of Palestine (not an arab state called palestine)
Just because the British named it Trans-Jordan doesn't mean the arabs were not well looked after. The arabs represented only 6.5 percent of old palestine. They have been very well accommodated and they will never ever succeed in getting the land of the Hebrews.
In March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:
The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.
For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I CAN demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.
@@abdihakimjama1556you are incorrect on many different levels. What is now Jordan, was a part of the British Palestinian mandate and was supposed to be used for creation of two states.
Somebody thought it was a great idea to write a comment stating “From the River to the Sea” 😊 Just proves Gadi Taub is 💯 right!!! No 2 state solution EVER 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
There should never be two states only ONE. How do you give thieves a state GO back to Poland. And NO GOD didn’t give you the land. GOD said you can’t rule and will always live under the rule of gentiles. Torah says you can’t go back to the holly land until the messiah aka the Antichrist comes back then Jesus will do away with you. PERIOD.
the internationally recognized palestinian territory literally boarders the jordan river and the mediterranean sea,, along with corridor that makes the territory contiguous. so uh, river to the sea is correct.
@@PFA... Not in a contiguous manner, so it's still wrong. But your statement is also disingenuous because we all know what it really meant when people chant this. The destruction of Israel, and for many, the destruction of its people as well. So in addition to having genocidal aspirations, you're also a liar and a hypocrite.
From the river to the sea, Israel is Yehudi
@@alexcarter8807I’m sure you are right, in a way. There will be a “one state solution” just as called for and agreed upon by the Versailles Treaty that broke up the Ottoman Empire in 1917/18. The one state will be called, as it was originally, Palestine. The clock is ticking on the Zionist Project, I fear. Israel is a pariah state these days.
Shalom Gadi, we already have two states, Israel and Jordan, Three is a crowd :)!
So then put all Palestinians in Jordan. Why don't you do that then ???
Gaza
@@tauseefhussain3936 even the Arabs don't want them back.
Besides, they love the conflict.
@@tauseefhussain3936because the Palestinians created social discord and unrest, killing politicians and r*ping women as well as hurting Arab men in these nations. They are too extreme even for their Arab kinsmen.
yeah, great slogan. But man up, how is that going to happen? It won't will it, so, dream on. Nobody's coming up with a real, genuine, practical, adult solution. Slogans and talking about god and history is great, and, yes the Arab leadership can't be trusted, but, genuinely how does the future look?
October 7, 2023, marked the death of the two-state solution. It showed very clearly that the Palestinians did not ever want it at all.
I’m Christian. It should be one state… State of Palestine 🇵🇸
From the river to the sea.
If they want a “Jewish state”
Then they should create one in Germany, where those are original are coming from
Why should the poor Palestinians pay for what Hitler did.
@mayacardano9905 Please don't say you're a Christian if you support terrorists. If you reply to this, I don't care about whatever you say! Your values are distorted!
Well Israel never had the intention for a two state solution otherweise there wouldn't have an extension of settlements in the Westbank...
@mayacardano9905 half of the modern Jewish Israeli population is descended from refugees from Arab countries who attempted to do what Hitler did. So by your logic israel is completely legitimate, but we should also make another Jewish state in Bavaria too.
@@mayacardano9905Jews can build their country on a remote island. Palestinians can then have finally peace.
There is already a 2 state solution and that solution is called JORDAN. The so called "Palestinians" already have an independent state and that state is called THE HASHEMITE KINGDOM OF JORDAN. The late King of Jordan, His Majesty King Hussein I once said in 1981 "Jordan is Palestine, Palestine is Jordan". The so called "Occupied Palestinian Territories" aka 1)East Jerusalem, 2)Judea and Samaria (The West Bank), and 3)The Gaza Strip belong not to the Arabs but to the Jews and are integral parts of the State of Israel. The Arabs living in East Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria (The West Bank) should be relocated to their natural homeland of Jordan, The Arabs living in the Gaza Strip should be relocated to their natural homeland of Egypt and the Arabs living in Israel Proper should be relocated to their natural homelands of Egypt, Jordan and Syria. The cities of Bethlehem, Jericho, Hebron, Ramallah, Nablus, Jenin,etc in Judea and Samaria (The West Bank) and Gaza City, Khan Yunis and Rafah in the Gaza Strip and also East Jerusalem are Jewish cities and belong to the State of Israel just like other cities like Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa and Eilat are. LONG LIVE THE STATE OF ISRAEL (WHICH INCLUDES EAST JERUSALEM, JUDEA AND SAMARIA AKA THE WEST BANK, THE GAZA STRIP AND THE GOLAN HEIGHTS). Stop calling these Arabs Palestinians, they are not Palestinians, they are Arabs or if you would like the FAKEISITIANS.
Reasons why Israel will never be at peace. Billions of arabs against a few million Zionist jews. 😊
Qq by chance did your mother drop you on your head as a child?
Spot on!!! 👍 😊
What if the Arabs don't want to go anywhere as they have been living there for many generations? What you are saying is a euphemism for ethnic cleansing.
But why should Jews from Europe have had any of it? They only way they cobbled together a contiguous Jewish state at all was through immigration and expelling Arabs in the Mandate period via the Jewish National Trust. If someone breaks into my house and manages to throw me out of the upstairs, then offers to let me keep the downstairs, that isn't a compromise. Its my damn house! Did the Jewish National Trust ever offer to pay Palestinians kicked out of houses and off land at gunpoint for the improvements they lost? How many casual ZIonists understand the process by which Palestinian areas flipped to Jewish in the 1920-48 period?
True! I used to be a leftist, since oct 7th im on the right! No 2 state solution! The Balestinians have shown that they do not want to live as peaceful neighbors!!
Same, and I still am on the left fiscally speaking but as for two states never would be too soon
fine, so how is this going to happen? Genuinely, where are the borders, how will Israel live with 'South Lebanon' x100 with 30% of the military serving age population (Hasidim) not working or serving in the IDF? How?
What about the leftists pacifist from tel aviv who dont serve also?
And the number is much higher then the hasidim..
Both wrong but dont drop all the blame on 1 side@@SionTJobbins
So what is your solution
@@rothein436
De-radicalizasion of Iz Lam!!
It's a de@th cult!!
If they don't comply push them back and out of Judea & Samaria and Gaza too!!
Look at what's happening in UK and Europe!
Iz Lam is over!!
I subscribed just to hear more from Gadi Taub; I can only hope Israel is listening to him also.
It was never about land. It was always about jihad!!!
nonesense
@@stefansollberger5658 BASIC TRUTH!!
The People who call themselves Palesstinian have never been for peace, they have been about teh destructions of the Jewish People.
From the RIver to the Sea is a call for Genocide.
Wrong,it's about oil, natural gas, and who controls the flow.
Ummm... The Jewish settlers in the early 20th century started this.
they want jihad everywhere. had enough
Two state was ALWAYS pie in the sky.. how can it not be when one side wants the other side completely wiped out…
Yes. The two-state solution was off the table in the original Zionist declarations. They explicitly wanted ALL of Palestine and only compromised tactically to get some sort of state in 1948. This was gerrymandered for them by the UN at a time when Jews only formed 42% of the population, nearly 20% of whom were present illegally and 90% of whom were the result of immigration in the previous 25 years. In 1919, when the Mandate was declared, Jews formed only 10% of the population. Is it any wonder Palestinians are pissed?
The “Palestinians “ were never for a peaceful coexistence with an Israeli state. Fortunately, the appeasing Israeli left finally got some sense.
Sadly, the Israeli left common sense won't last, it never does.
Not yet…
Where from
SOME did… Just as a handful in the United States have. It would be premature & extremely foolish to think that the Destructive Delusional Left mindset is truly dead & gone. People were saying that years ago after Oslo collapsed… I never for a moment thought it wouldn’t come back, like a virus.
Einat Wilf labor leftist began to realize over the years don’t want Israel to survive. In fact most leftists in Israel now agree.
I could listen to Gadi all day. Keep putting out videos with him.
You've got haaretz, we've got the BBC!
No context lol
Haaretz is way worse. Imagine reading the wildest of 'tweets' (no idea how to turn X into a verb) in a newspaper - that's the level of insanity you're likely to find on haaretz.
FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA all of Israel shall be free!!!
👍🏻💯
And the river is the Euphrates.
Lol same as Hams say but call Hamas terrorists for it, the delusional people indeed.
The lubavitcher Rebbe was the only same voice on Israeli politics for half a century. Finally everyone is coming around and realizing the Rebbe was right!
He was far from the only one, if he was right. Certainly not on all points.
@@PaulBCohenhe was right on all points but people don't listen to Holy men
Now every one knows Rabbi Meir Kahane was right all along.
@@shainab-a2205 That sounds like cult belief - no one is 100% right all the time.
@@גרשוןפרלמן No. I'm all for transfer of the 75% of Palestinian Arabs that support Hamas, but I am completely against that guy. He was a fascist and he believed that terror attacks against Arabs are justified... which is reprehensible. Essentially, he had the same level of moral depravity as our enemy.
The Palestinians have turned down a two state solution seven times.
It’s not really surprising. They were being completely consistent. It is not part of their view of the world. They really are being honest, which is more than all those ‘useful idiots’ who tried to convince us of its veracity.
7 times???? When
@@lilylevental2808it's actually 27 times
No actually 1222222333456799992244566778889999999877777655443221344566678888766443222^556777788888times refused 😂😂😂
What the Palestinians turned does seven times is other forms of apartheid and occupation.
He's right.
I knew that right after it happened.
The Israelis tried for well over half a century.
Now it's too late and it is NOT their fault.
Indeed they tried to no avail. Palestinians never wanted it. Trying again and expecting a different result is insanity.
So who's fault is it?
@@rogerjohnson2562 It is - was the fault of all the Arab leaders (not just in British Mandatory Palestine but all over the ME) from 1920 onward who refused to accept the establishment of a Jewish state in the formerly Ottoman-ruled land, and of the British who kept enabling and appeasing them.
Israel the Jewish state should have been established at exactly the same time the Arab state of Trans Jordan was, 1922.
The British should have made it clear to the Arabs that it was happening whether they wanted it or not, that they had their own state east of the border now with three times as much land, so if they couldn’t bear the thought of living in a Jewish state they could pack up and move a few kilometers away to live under Arab rule.
No doubt many would have done that voluntarily, with the more peaceful and moderate Arabs remaining. They would have become citizens of the new state, just like the Arabs who remained in Israel became Israeli citizens in 1948. Massive Jewish immigration to the new state - from both Europe and the rest of the Middle East and North Africa- would have followed, especially in the 1930s and 40s, quickly establishing a large Jewish majority. As actually happened after 1948.
The Arab opposition to the Jewish state stemmed from two main causes; the growing Arab nationalist movement, and the Muslim belief that all land conquered and ruled by Muslims must never revert to non-Muslim rule.
This explains why most of the Christian Arab minority never opposed the Jewish state; they had no religious cause to oppose it, and they likely weighed their options and felt their lives would be better as an an Arab Christian minority in a Jewish state, than as a Christian minority in a majority Muslim Arab state.
@@rogerjohnson2562gee… maybe the Palestinians? They actually spent all of their short existence killing Jews.
@@rogerjohnson2562. Other Arab countries should take them
I never supported a 2 state solution so this makes me happier. Time to clean house.
Well, you've been mowing the lawn for years and look where that landed you. Clean house is code for genocide.
The two state solution would work if the Palestinians wanted it. The problem is that the Palestinians always saw the two state solution as a first step in from the river to the sea. I was debating with some pro-Palestinians at a bar last night. I asked them "why haven't the Palestinians ever put forward a realistic peace proposal?" They had not answer. As long as the Palestinians do not want peace there will be no peace.
This man is extremely knowledgeable and sensible. Please interview him regularly.
The two-state solution proposed by the U.N. was dead in 1947 when the Arabs rejected a separate state for the Palestinians.
I am from India Israeli people are welcome in India🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
They will all move to India soon.
Todar reba.
😂 That's very kind of you, however, your demi gods, your temples, your traditions etc are all very contrary to what the Lord God of Israel says.
Shalom.
@@RobertStiles
I doubt it.
@@SteveWarleeare a troll?
@@SteveWarleeyou dont have to go there... the most important thing is love not religion
Excellent interview! This war could have (God forbid) been the end of Israel. Had they coordinated, we would not be here today! Those who died sacrificed their lives for the greater Israel! They are the heroes who saved us from utter destruction.
Thankfully they don't work together, if they did they'd have a working government. If the attack had come from Gaza, Judea & Samaria, Lebanon - and if other countries had militarily supported an attack. Israel would not be here today and the world would be talking about another holocaust.
What do you mean "Greater Israel".
That is some Balkan war shit right there. That's the kind of language that some one from eastern europe uses before they commit war crimes.
I've heard enough about "Greater Albania", and "Greater Serbia" to know where that language leads.
@robertkeaney9905 He means he is ecstatic to see the Gazans being ethnically cleansed and that the Israeli populace has been radicalized by the October 7th attack which the Mossad deliberately allowed to happen, which will make it a lot easier for the ruling Zi0nists to manufacture consent for an expansionist campaign to create Greater Israel. This plan has been in the works for quite some time. Mossad wasn't caught blindsided, they just realized how useful it would be to allow the attack to happen, and the IDF even maximized casualties by firing upon hostage-takers and hostages alike, indiscriminately killing Israeli civilians in the process of shooting at the Hamas militants.
I am bewildered to be honest. I have very average intelligence. I am also naturally liberal. I am not naturally an extremist. Now as soon as the peace process started I was hopeful at the idea. But also I was very very sceptical. From everything I had read even then as a teenager I guessed that due to the nature of Islam that the whole thing was a ruse and they would not change their aim to destroy Israel and Jews both in Israel and abroad. Also I knew the west suffered from anti semtism and anti Israel derangement syndrome.
Amazing how an average can calculate the distinct truth.
Why is it the nature of Islam to want to destroy Jews in Israel and abroad?
The discussion in this war is absurd. First.
Israel acted selflessly to live in peace with the Palestinians in Gaza. It was more than a decade ago when Israel itself relocated thousands of individuals living in Gaza with lethal force from their homes to follow the agreement, which obligated the Palestinians in return to stop any kind of aggression towards Israel. The Palestinians had the chance to build a safe, functional, and prosperous livelihood. But the first thing the Palestinians did in return was to elect a government that enshrined the goal of destroying Israel in their constitution. The elected government followed through with its promise. Since its founding, thousands of rockets have flown into Israel. Dozens of civilians died in terrorist attacks. Millions of aid funds - intended for civilian purpose - were misused to build rockets, tunnels, and other nonsense. The crimes committed on October 7th like raping women, killing children, or kidnapping a baby, was Humus has been doing for years. Secondly. Israel behaved more humanely in this conflict than any other conceivable party in any imaginable conflict. It allowed Palestinians to work in Israel, receive medical care or even migrate into their country. During war, they warn civilians where their military is operating. They admit collateral damage and apologize for it. They saved Sinwar’s life giving him a lethal brain surgery. They treated the daughter of Haniyyas daughter for her complex disease in Israel. While Humus was building rockets and tunnels with all the foreign aid, Israel supplied their civilians with free water and electricity. The situation is clear. In no other conflict the responsibility for the suffering has been so one sided and clear - in no other conflict have the perpetrators been held accountable so weakly. The same goes for any related conflict: Hezbollah, Houthis, etc…the more peacefully you try to live with them, the more visible their genocidal intents becomes.
People with voice and power who claim to reject war have the duty to unequivocally name the culprit of this war and do everything in their power to eliminate them. Everything else is responsibility for the resulting suffering and will extend it.
You don't sound average intelligence to me. Nicely and logically thought-out, the majority of people don't seem to be able to do this.
@@SteveWarlee yet the "bright" people in the universities cannot.
I am Israeli and literally, do not know anyone who supports the idea of a Palestinian state. So, we live in a delusional world...what's new?
I have a friend in Tel Aviv who drinks the Haaretz kool-aide. He still believes, somehow
@@raisingwings6951 Yeah, there are still plenty of lefty Israelis who won't wake up but recently heard that among them many are beginning to finally get it. For many of us, it's taken 7 October to come to our senses. I include myself in this too although I was always against a state for Arabs who have cleverly co-opted a fake identity they never had as a way to pursue their real intention to destroy Israel. They've fooled everyone including Israelis.
And what's then the solution?
We have to be mature enough to understand that not all problems have good solutions
@@raisingwings6951 only oingoing violence
I agree with you. But I didn t drift right at all. I only changed my mind about the number of Arabs who want that peaceful neighborhood with Israel. I used to think, just give them a country in order to get rid of them, and us a border we can handle successfully secure against whatever comes from the other side. That view is done with since October last year. It took me a while to internalize what really happend. No, they don't want what we want, at least not enough of them
Since they are brainwashed with hatred against us from childhood there is no way to change that. For that to change there will need to be a different regime and many years - meaning , sadly, that it will not happen. Now , after understanding that, a new thinking needs to be done. And I too was a supporter of a two states solution 😢
The two state solution already exists (Jordan/Israel). Otherwise it would be a tri-state one.
The only solution is the Jewish state of King Messiah. Otherwise It would seem unfair, poor inland for you, then the Jordan Valley and the beautiful coastland, with good well communicated ports and the best strategically situated city in the area, Jerusalem, for me.
Poor jesus who died on a cross to liberate barabas the jew thief and criminal😂
No. Jordan was (1) only administered WITH Palestine by the British and (2) became independent separately in 1946.
@@markaxworthy2508Go back to the 1922 league of nations mandate, the original 2 state solution. The state of Jordan was to be given to the Arabs living in the region, while the rest of the land (including All of Judea, Samaria & Gaza) were to be given to the J people. It's the h o s tile Arabs & the British pandering to them that distorted it.
It is not moral to take in account the lives of the enemy more than your own soldiers it is a disgrace.
I think that greatly depends on what value system you base your morality in.
I'm an Israeli who was naive and believed in a two state solution until October 7th. After that, I saw the protests around the world ("From the river to the sea...") and I began to search for polls and watch many videos featuring the opinions of Palestinians on the situation. My conclusion is that those who claim to want a two state solution are a minority. But not only that- many of the Palestinians who say they want a two state solution only see it as a temporary measure- until they are strong enough to conquer my country. So I unfortunately was naive, but I am not anymore.
Maybe you should have went with the original plan and chose Argentina?
@@thatsthejobbb8587Why would he do that, if despite all "difficulties" and losses of lives to any reason at all, the life expectancy in Israel is 6 years more than US, and 15 more than "Palestine" 😂
@@Fatman305 those figures will change rapidly with 49k businesses after closing down in the last year. All the dual citizens will start scurrying back to their actual countries of origin😂
@@thatsthejobbb8587 You're right. These figures will change. Gaza will be a worse shthole with wayyy lower life expectancy and Israel will get more money poured in by all the sane Muslim countries 😆
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What a waste of money Palestine is
100 % shame for them for the Arabs leaders
Previously,in the past Palestinians were presented with two State solutions,on two different occasions which they vehemently rejected,now with their hostile nature, the two states solution is not attainable, cause they continue to unleashed terrorism, so the two states solution is dead, only the Jewish Nation and no other.
Pytanie co zrobicie z Palestyńczykami którzy nie chcą być częścią waszego państwa?
@@wybawiciel1665 Worse: Those who say they do, but in reality will become terror cell within
It's Israel I see as a terrorist organization - on an industrial scale. Barbaric doesn't even begin to describe it. And this started long before October 7.
Had 7 opportunities since 1937.
What a stupid position - to exchange moral high ground for temporary security. It's like exchanging friendship and admiration of the world for a gun.
There is already 2 states, the other state is JORDANIA just look at the flag
One does not have to agree with his views but it is vital for everyone to listen to this sort of opinion in order to understand why so many Israelis have given up on the two-state solution in the foreseeable future. He provides a nuanced historical context that many on the outside rarely factor in when developing their opinions of the region. Thanks to the production for sharing this sort of long form interview.
I never understood the concept of a "free Palestine" from the river to the sea, considering that Hamas do not believe in democracy and free speech, do not believe in human or equal rights, or minority rights or equal rights for women, so a "free Palestine" has nothing to do with being liberated and free in any sense of the concept.
Thank you. I felt this way about Hamasretz for years!
The two state was dead in 1968
No, dead in 1948 when the Muslims refused it.
@@rogerjohnson2562the Muslims were quite happy to receive payment for their barren and mosquito swamp land though.
Typical sandeaters
@@rogerjohnson2562 even before that. The British offered them 70% of the land in 1938, IIRC.
Quillette, you continue to amaze and captivate me. Thank you for this interview!
I agree
Brilliant analysis 🙏
the two state solution is not an option, Israel cannot have a population that isn't majority Jewish it's as simple as that
The 3-state, falsely accounted as a 2-state, is dead. West Bank is Southern Israel. Gaza and Bethlehem have no connection with Arabs other than as invaders. Israel has never occupied another peoples' land in 4,000-years.
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Except Palestinians aren't Arabs. They have the same proportion of genes from 1st century Palestine as Jews do. Genetics has put to bed the always dumb idea that Palestinians were recent immigrants. Palestinians and Mizrahi are more genetically related than either are to Ashkenazi. Palestinians have about 30% Arab genes and Ashkenazi about 30% European. Razib Khan laid all this out on his substack. Genetics aren't kind to the maximalist arguments of either side. And this idea that Israel has never occupied another people's land in 4000 years? Uhm, isn't their founding myth (which thankfully isn't true) that the conquered someone else's land? And didn't the short-lived Hasmonean brutally conquer Samaria at the end of the Maccabee war? ZIonists were themselves invaders. No Zionists had any connection to Israel at all. A quasi-historical 2000 year old anti-colonial grievance doesn't give an individual Ukrainian any right to land somewhere over the people who live there. This is the kind of logic anti-woke Zionists would never allow to any other historical victim group. Jews and Palestinians will have to get used to the idea that much of Palestinian genetic ancestry is just Jews who converted to Christianity under the Byzantines and later Islam under the Arabs. Why would anyone think otherwise? The Romans did not expel the Jews from Palestine, just forbade them living in Jerusalem and there were more Jews outside Palestine than inside well before that.
@@BigStar1972 Exactly. Israel shouldn't expell and kill Palestinians.
They should make them revert away from the evil ideology of Islam and ban the language of the arab invaders.
What about 4001 years?
@@Joseph-cu8dk very interesting. I'm Palestinian and my DNA has zero connection to the Arabian Peninsula. In fact it shows up as 100% from the Levant. Now shall we compare that to the average Israeli Jew? Wait, we can't cause they don't allow DNA tests
Another leftist come to their senses ?
And it was a sad and rude awakening. But at least now I’m living in reality instead of academic la-la land
@@Dakini31 very sad and painful awakening indeed! The atrocities of October 7 did not surprise me personally, the reaction of the World, that’s what completely shattered my “leftist” leaning. It was scary to see that nothing changed since 1930’s.
In 1947 the Arab Palestinians said they did not want a two-state solution, which in reality would have been a three-state solution because they already had a state (Transjordan). Westerners simply cannot comprehend that everything that has happened since has been about creating a one-state solution, an Arab state from the river to the sea. Israel cannot resolve the conflict. Even the Palestinians cannot resolve it. Only the international community can, by letting go of the myth that the Palestinians want to resolve the conflict, because they do not, and understanding that this is Iran's war. The Palestinians are merely pawns in a game they don't understand.
In my view, neither side actually WANTED a two state solution to begin with. Israel was willing to settle for a two state solution, a Jewish state alongside a Palestinian Muslim state. But the Palestinians were never willing to accept a Jewish state alongside them in the first place, only a Palestinian state in place of a Jewish state.
So agree. Thank you Gadi
I'm not jewish, but if Zionism means Irael's right to exist in peace and security, then I'm a Zionist.
Great analysis and so well formulated
Much respect for Taub but what would he do with the current 2M people in Gaza after removing Hamas' leadership?
24:49 Israel didn't expel Arabs in 1967 after the war, now seems too late even with Oct 07.
Every Arab nation understands what these "Palestinians" are like, hence Egypt closed it's borders and refuse to accept them into their countries (look what happened to Jordan and Lebanon) using the argument of "why should they leave their land."
Dead right about Israel being the moral conscience of humanity. Israelis must be united between themselves in order to provide support for idf troops fighting the forces of evil. The fight between evil and good will never end. Just Keep outsmarting the enemy! Praying that this conflict will come to an end. Idf brothers and sisters REMEMBER HOW DAVID DEFEATED GOLIATH WITH FEW STONES BECAUSE THE HAND OF GOD WAS WITH HIM!!! Please stay strong and pray before you act. Blessing,prayers n support from Australia 🇦🇺 ❤❤❤
Do you really imagine that you are David and the Palestinians are Goliath?
How warped! The Zionist war machine doesn't believe in God but they'll tell you God promised them Palestine!!
@@joemerino324316m Jews, 1.9b Muslims. Yep.
"if you read Harretz every morning - which I never recommend to anyone (sane)" 🤣🤣🤣
Why can't Palestinians live peacefully in a jewish state?
Read Miko Peled's books. It will answer your question.
@@greghdn so you can't give a reason yourself. Okay.
@@reneburger4317 Because Israel is a racist, genocidal apartheid state.
@@reneburger4317 Because Israel is a ray sist, jen no side all, apart aide state.
@@reneburger4317apartheid isn't an agreeable scenario dopey!
As an idea,a two state was dead before there was even seen as a solution.
Thank you, this was the honest assessment everyone in the West needs to hear and understand.
Not posible with 2 state solution of the simple reason, you dont invite legimicy to Palestinian people who constant are ready for making Israel in to one state solution who is theirs. There has to be a lot of work done for palestians to learn to make peace and not terror before that can be on the table for a 2 state solution.
Why should the Palestinians accept the injustice committed against them? We all know the Jewish population was 5% of historic Palestine prior to the Balfour declaration and now sits at 50%. Not to mention that even after the Oslo accords were signed where the PLO recognized the state of Israel, settlement expansions continue until today. How can you seriously argue Israel and Israelis want peace when their citizens move in the West Bank since 1967? I haven’t heard anyone ever acknowledge or address the point that in 1948, injustices occurred and the “world solution” was to sweep the atrocities and crimes under the rug and recognize the state of Israel. Which Israel then launched expansionary campaigns under the premise of “defensive wars” against its neighbors. Has anyone actually read the books of Avi Shlaim, Ilan Pappe or Rashid Khalidi? It’s a good start if you’re serious about understanding empirical history vs Israeli narrative.
Jordan is the balestinian state!
So people should then give up their land and house where they and their ancestors have been living for decades and probably centuries..
@@stefansollberger5658the Jews the Romans ethnically cleansed to make Syria Palestina did so. Change is part of life, you leave your parents place when you're old enough.
Moving new places is part of life. It's scary at first, but in time it's really the best
No. Jordan was (1) only administered WITH Palestine by the British and (2) became independent separately in 1946.
The west needs to learn more, not just about Israel and the arabs but about life.
Great and CLEAR talk.🙏🏼💜
I can tell you what I saw(I live in small town in Peripheral area in Israel),born in 97 as kid in normal Israeli school it was pretty obvious that peace and 2 states this is logical and others things are not.
I was still kid around the 2nd intifada(which now that I think about changed the entire thinking of the surroundings,Arafat wanted to do "Hezbollah move" after we retreated from Lebanon and bring guerilla war to "kick us" as he saw us as weak when tried to negotiated peace and retreat in camp david),so people still largely believed in the idea but now it was clear our enemies seek to destroy us,we couldn't trust the left and Arabs even though if we had better partners we should go for it.
I live in South after 2005 most people supported going out from Gaza,with more and more Gazan operation people started to understand that this was mistake that retreat WORSEN the situation,they are getting more dangerous and more brazen,same in Southern Lebanon,same big cities in West Bank,retreat only made things worse...
Since October 7(where we gave Gaza years of benefits,work in our towns which was taboo,release almost all restrictions on our side)everything came together,Iranians and Muslims didn't care about well being,they in general will not rest until we dead,if they did 7 October from West Bank(going 25-35km)and not Gaza Israel would have been in grave danger for it's life,what Hezbollah can do?do they join?Houthis?Syrian?Iraq?
I didn't think to question the 2 state solution until I understood I am not safe,I need safe borders,I understood what absolutely crazy our country done since 80s of bring back land,we were brainwashed all those years...
Give me defensible border Slowly integrate West Bank all the way to Jordan valley/river,keep the peace with Egypt but if it become dangerous again you can't defend the South without going to Suez,Golan and sit on the Litani,after this achieved and secured then we can think of sacrificing for peace deals.
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'Sit on the Litani' sounds like good strategy. But I think 'sit on the Jordan' is also going to he necessary; meaning the Muslims in Judah & Samaria should just be foreigners with renewable visas only granted if they state the right of Israel to exist, and which are revoked with any infractions.
Never even think about ‘sacrificing for peace deals’… Isaiah 48:22
“There is no peace,” says the LORD, “for the wicked.”
Isaiah 57:13b-21
But he who takes refuge in me shall possess the land
and shall inherit my holy mountain.
And it shall be said,
“Build up, build up, prepare the way,
remove every obstruction from my people's way.”
For thus says the One who is high and lifted up,
who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy:
“I dwell in the high and holy place,
and also with him who is of a contrite and lowly spirit,
to revive the spirit of the lowly,
and to revive the heart of the contrite.
For I will not contend forever,
nor will I always be angry;
for the spirit would grow faint before me,
and the breath of life that I made.
Because of the iniquity of his unjust gain I was angry,
I struck him; I hid my face and was angry,
but he went on backsliding in the way of his own heart.
I have seen his ways, but I will heal him;
I will lead him and restore comfort to him and his mourners,
creating the fruit of the lips.
Peace, peace, to the far and to the near,” says the LORD,
“and I will heal him.
But the wicked are like the tossing sea;
for it cannot be quiet,
and its waters toss up mire and dirt.
There is no peace,” says my God, “for the wicked.”
Well kiddo, at least your sensible, until U said that last sentence.
Best you go read what the Lord your God says in the Torah about that.
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Strange how you all think your so clued up on what a good or bad idea is. Best you go read what on the cards regarding prophecy coz everything that's happening right now is like the bible is a news paper. You can read all about tomorrow, today and watch in hindsight.
Excellent topic!
Horrible audio.
Background of the Video? Could they Not find a bookshelf with clever books - instead of "worst of Kindergarden"?
There are already 2 states and the "palestinian's" is Jordan.
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0:08 I too moved to the right.
I used to be a Pro-Palestinian,
but...
I start listening to
the arguments of
the opposite party.
It opened my eyes.
Why should the Palestinians accept the injustice committed against them? We all know the Jewish population was 5% of historic Palestine prior to the Balfour declaration and now sits at 50%. Not to mention that even after the Oslo accords were signed where the PLO recognized the state of Israel, settlement expansions continue until today. How can you seriously argue Israel and Israelis want peace when their citizens move in the West Bank since 1967? I haven’t heard anyone ever acknowledge or address the point that in 1948, injustices occurred and the “world solution” was to sweep the atrocities and crimes under the rug and recognize the state of Israel. Which Israel then launched expansionary campaigns under the premise of “defensive wars” against its neighbors. Has anyone actually read the books of Avi Shlaim, Ilan Pappe or Rashid Khalidi? It’s a good start if you’re serious about understanding empirical history vs Israeli narrative.
193 countries in the world:
67 Roman Catholic
49 Islamic
49 Protestant
14 Eastern Orthodox
3 Hindu
And only ONE Jewish country.
That's not too much to ask.
And we're not asking.
Gaza strip is 5 miles wide and 25 miles long. Let them be. Ban the bomb
So? The two-state solution was off the table in the original Zionist declarations. They explicitly wanted ALL of Palestine and only compromised tactically to get some sort of state in 1948. This was gerrymandered for them by the UN at a time when Jews only formed 42% of the population, nearly 20% of whom were present illegally and 90% of whom were the result of immigration in the previous 25 years. In 1919, when the Mandate was declared, Jews formed only 10% of the population. Is it any wonder Palestinians are pissed?
No body there are no Hindu countries officially, But soon India will be officially a Hindu Country 🔥
1) Why is it "not too much to ask"?
2) Why does it have to be at the expense of others?
NO two state solution
to the point and authentic as usual! just wondering why he didn't mention that there's no two state solution for the gazans and the WB. they never agreed to any of the two states. they want 1 state, from river to sea. to themselves. since before day1.
Classic feedback loops: Israel taking Palestinian land (even an Israeli general states they would fake conflict to take land) which fed antisemetic sentiments, which fed the apparheid state and expanded Jewish settlements, which fed Palestinian hostility, et cetera. Feedback loops don't end until one or both reactants are used up, aka genocide.
Wow ! An Israeli who speaks an impeccable and nuanced English ! Lovin’ what he says and how says it !
LONG LIVE ERETZ ISRAEL 🇮🇱!!!!
If all the aid went to "terror tunnels", where did the money come from to build the universities and hospitals that Israel has been bombing?
Palestinians have universities?
@@ruifernandes9629 They had several world renowned universities before Israel bombed them all.
Google says there were 27 Palestinian universities, 11 of which were in the Gaza strip.
Thank you for the brilliant analysis !
No no no no. They can live in one of the 68 Muslim states
Thank you for opening our eyes Gabi. Human Rights is caring about Israeli people, caring about anything else is antisemitic. Gabi, you are saved because there are jewish people saving you because they do not adhere to this. One day God will ask Loth to find good people in Israel and Loth will find no one.
There never was a two state solution…
Anyone would think that a bulldozer approaching the fence would be a massive red flag, apparently not, how humiliating.
The overwhelming majority of Palestinians express strong support for Hamas. In fact, a survey conducted by the Palestinian research institute AWRAD revealed that 84% of respondents in the West Bank (Judea & Samaria) strongly endorsed the massacre and atrocities of Oct. 7.
The fact is that the Palestinians are HAMAS. And Hamas are the PALESTINIANS.
Bull fucking shit.
The Palestinian authority and Hamas hate each other.
You can lie to yourself. But you're not fooling the international audience one bit.
And a survey in the week before 7 October in Gaza found that only a third of its population supported Hamas. Once one is in a war, as after 7 October, support on both sides tends to harden because "they may be bastards, but at least they are our bastards".
@@markaxworthy2508 The overwhelming majority of Palestinians express strong support for Hamas. In fact, a survey conducted by the Palestinian research institute AWRAD revealed that 84% of respondents in the West Bank (Judea & Samaria) strongly endorsed the massacre and atrocities of Oct. 7.
*The fact is that the Palestinians are HAMAS. And Hamas are the PALESTINIANS.*
@@MrKnowItAll2024 They may do now, but they didn't before 7 October, as I explained to you. Indeed, a poll of December 2023 shows that in the Gaza Strip only 38% of Gazans prefer Hamas to remain in control of the Gaza Strip after the war.
And no, "84% of respondents in the West Bank (Judea & Samaria)" DO NOT "strongly endorsed the massacre and atrocities of Oct. 7". The reason is that, according to the above survey, "The overwhelming majority of respondents say that they have not seen videos from international or social media showing atrocities committed by Hamas members against Israeli civilians that day, such as the killing of women and children in their homes. Indeed, more than 90% believe that Hamas fighters did not commit the atrocities contained in these videos."
"The Palestinians are HAMAS. And Hamas are the PALESTINIANS." is simplistic drivel at best and downright dishonest at worst. It may not suit some Israeli narratives, but the situation among Palestinians is far more nuanced than you are pretending.
SPOT ON❤
The West Bank (historical Judea and Samaria) is not "occupied" by Israel. The territory was conquered by Israel from Jordan in the 6-day war 1967 and has since then been annexed by Israel. Of course there still is and was a majority palestinian population on the West Bank, but it's a part of the state of Israel.
Sorry, you got your facts wrong. Israel never annexed the West Bank, apart from East Jerusalem.
Finally, Gadi realises that Haaretz is a nasi publication
As a South African Christian ❤, I stand, bless and pray for Israel unwavering.
The nations must study
Joel 3: 2, where treating the Jews and dividing God's land of Israel is concerned.
They must know the CONSEQUENCES THAT WILL COME WITH THAT.
I don't support 2 State solution too, more over after what we witnessed on 7/10😢
Would be a great idea not to have a 35 party vote in SA.
😂😂 Look at the mess we're in
The far right elements in Israeli society typically view Christians with distain or pretend to be friendly because they view some Christians as a useful idiots. Many would prefer to kick out the Christians from Israel, along with all minorities, just like they want to kick out the Arabs.
Hamas hold the hostages at ransom. Thus their advantages for permanent ceasefire. Israel could have won the war if not for insane international communities pressure on Israel. Am Yisrael Chai 🙏 🇮🇱 💙 🇲🇾
Maybe Israel can't start funding itself?!
2state solution was & is a joke.
It’s now a 7 state possibly no state solution.
“There is no Arab peace movement”. How does one argue for a Palestinian State then?
There's no Israeli peace movement
@@caryschwencke2730 Demonstrably incorrect.
Regardless if a two state solution is feasible or not, the listeners should know who the speaker is. Gadi Taub is an extreme right wing author , known for his loyal support of Netanyahu. He used to write in Haaretz, the most influential paper in Israel , and after his articles were stopped because of growing fake writing and extremism , he started a vengeance campaign against the paper. Furthermore, he has become a prominent spokesman only in the extreme right wing TV channel 14 , the personal servant & bully of Netanyahu & the West Bank settlers. His & Israel channel 14 other commentator' views are on the verge of Fascism.
As for a 2 state solution , does Mr. Taub & the rest of the Israeli Far Right have an alternative solution ?
And Netanyahu is a war criminal
Yes , A single state with equal rights for all .
nope - they will takeover
@bellaadamowicz8380 7th October was a result of the Israeli Policy / Politics against the Palestinians for decades...
Thats not feasible, exibit A expulsion of Christians from Bethlehem going from 70 percent of the population to 20. Exhibit B Lebanese civil war where Muslims attacked Christians with the influx of Palestinians. That sounds plausible to anyone who doesn't understand the nature of the enemy but would end in disaster. Palestinian areas may become like Poerto Rico to the United States.
@bellaadamowicz8380 Not true, there will be one - and it will simply never end.
I've spoken to many Palestinians in Israel and the West Bank. IT IS ABOUT LAND FOR MOST PEOPLE. They feel the Jews are pushing them out. And yes, they are. Is it wrong to do it? Not for me to judge.
Funny. They always feel that way after failed attempts to push the Jews out.
I underwent a very similar transformation, except that I was a bit more skeptical that Sharon's withdrawal from Gaza would result in the Palestinians suddenly discovering that they are better off abandoning the hostilities and making peace with Israel.
I have a strong suspicion that Sharon deep down thought the same way and only allowed the Gaza trial balloon knowing that it would inevitably crash, thereby avoiding a potentially far more dangerous pullout from Judea and Samaria, which he was being pressured to do at the time.
To all those against the two-state solution: so I take it you would like to see a single state where every adult has a vote?
Eventually...
When they stop constant terror.
For now arabs may vote in local elections, like Puerto Rico does
No, a single state where all current Israeli citizens have a vote, and other non-citizens are granted visas which are renewed only if there are no anti-Israel infractions. Too Simple! The only 'Palestine' is Jordan.
Arnabs to arnab league states
No. Why?
The simplest thing would be for Egypt and Jordan to belatedly take some responsibility for this mess and allow any Gazan or West Bank Arabs to immigrate to their countries if they want to.
Their nations’ governments went to war against Israel in 1948 and again in 1967. So they should be willing to take in all the “refugees” they were responsible for creating, in the name of “Arab unity”.
Given the choice, probably at least 50 percent of Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank would move to Egypt or Jordan, if they had the option.
Call it belated war reparations.
But failing that:
Gaza and most of the West Bank (or at least where most of the Arab population live, ie all the major Arab cites) are already basically autonomous states with their own government and policing. Gaza’s a basket case now of course and is going to be re-occupied by Israel for some time at least, but I don’t see why Area A of the West Bank can’t retain the same status it’s had since the 1990s.
The Arabs there don’t want to be citizens of Israel. You can’t make people hostile to a state its citizens. And they’re always going to be hostile, in the same way Koreans are always going to be hostile to Japan.
So the status quo could just be maintained with the West Bank. And Hamas must be completely eliminated there too, of course.
The idea that the borders between Israel and all the West Bank could be dissolved is ludicrous. The protection provided by that border - and the border wall - is what’s made the almost constant terrorist attacks in the early 00s just a distant bad memory now.
Israeli citizens for one would never accept that; there would be civil war in Israel before citizenship was ever given to the West Bank and Gaza Arabs, especially after Oct. 7th.
Arabs living in East Jerusalem however do have Israeli citizenship, or the choice to get it if they want, since Israel annexed East Jerusalem. But they’re less violent and radical than Arabs in the West Bank. And if an Arab in East Jerusalem with citizenship is convicted of terrorism offenses, it’s revoked.
Adults? Sure. Arab sicko crybabies? Never.
What a complete bigot