I was raised by USSR sympathizers and romanticizers. I immediately recognized these tropes as well. I’m so glad someone who grew up in the USSR can confirm it for us.
There was a time when the Soviets seemed to offer a promising alternative for the future. And it took quite some time for the truth of Lenin's missteps and Stalin's atrocities to emerge in the West. in fact, it couldn't really happen until after Nazism and Italian fascism were defeated. It's such a shame. The Soviets took a beautiful dream and a promising theory and transformed it into a living hell. The utopianism that was there in the early days of Bolshevism was almost immediately lost after the Russian civil war. The greatest irony is that if Marx were around to witness it, he would have almost certainly said that Lenin's revisions to Marxism were bad ones. And, as for Stalin ... You can't liberate a proletariat by sending them to gulags, starving them in a famine, creating a police state, and scapegoating Jews. I never blame westerners who idealize the Soviet Union for their ideals. But after c1950 we must be critical of their willingness to be blind to the reality of what Soviet communism had become. That includes criticizing their russification efforts, their ethnic cleansings and their jew-hatred.
@@RobespierreThePoof The issue is that utopian theories don't take into account human nature, so it never works in the real world. My grandparents seriously considered moving to the USSR in the 1950s since they, too, believed the beautiful dream though were shocked when they visited. I have much more sympathy for their generation than someone in 2024 who still thinks communism is a good idea, now that there's a huge body of research in social psychology, behavioral economics, and other fields that explain how the human mind works. It's very predictable. These folks seem too lazy to read business and marketing academic journals, but it's all there. There was even a nonviolent test model in the Israeli kibbutz system, where all the smart people left and most of the kibbutzim are now either privatized or subsidized. Theories may sound beautiful but only work in fantasyland.
Marx was a profoundly self-hating Jew. He wrote "One world -- without Jews!" He had internalized the virus, the sickness. SO damaged: And that damage *itself* (that deadly self-hatred & the compulsion to escape one's Judaic identity at any price) was and is an 'artifact' of anti-Jew hatred (a.k.a. "antisemitism"). His worldview was sub-or-semi-consciously hijacked in service of that: in service of the compulsion to escape & eliminate Judaic identity (and any collective validity / peoplehood). For all his vaunted 'intelligence' & genius, he was utterly unwise and lacking in emotional intelligence & even the rudiments of emotional health. His 'idealistic' (sic) "One world -- without Jews!" both 1) reveals what really undergirds & drove his whole "philosophy"/idealogy, and 2) was a writ for genocide.
I'm about same age and have the same USSR background as Izabella and can confirm every detail of her story based on my personal experience. The only thing I should mention that antisemitism was manifesting in much more violent forms in schools and universities. In school I was constantly getting remarks like: "go to Israel, you dirty Jew." Once my award for a citywide competition was given to another person and later explained to my parents: "because of my Jewish last name". We had nothing Jewish about us but our Jewish last names and the 5th line (nationality) in our passports and still...
That's so crazy! People of Soviet origin in the West are so valuable, I wish you guys would all tell your stories loudly to drown out the new generation of young people who think communism a good idea.
Soviet ideological relations with Western progressives: journalists, left party members, intellectuals were much broader than we know. Ideological influence was immense. The whole anti colonial agenda was developing exactly at that time: early 70s. KGB connections with Arabs were simply direct and uncovered. Arab “students” officially studied in USSR and GDR. Relations with German Shtazi were very close too. That’s very interesting and profound realm for research : “poisoning The West and Third world with antisemitic and bloody terrorist propaganda by Soviet ideological structures.”
Yes it’s surprising how many historical narratives that have origins from soviet or left-wing propaganda have slipped in and have otherwise become normalized in history textbooks and other historical books, to the point not even conservative historians or people realize it.
You'll also find a slightly spun style of Marxist/Iranian propaganda in the book "Staging a Revolution: The Art of Persuasion in the Islamic Republic of Iran" by Peter Chelkowski and Hamid Dabashi. This book has an amazing collection of Iranian antisemitic propaganda, which you'll see in Iran's antisemitic cartoon contest a few years back, and their modern propaganda.
Imagine being a country government and holding a contest for the best racist propaganda cartoon against ANY national group... What kind of fucked up Black Mirror world are we living in?!
At 60, retired US military intell analyst & Russian linguist - this gives me chills. Ever since Oct 7, I feel like I’m watching a nightmare - all the old rhetoric rising up out of the mouths of the far left. Enabling the far right. And knowing it is part and parcel of a multi-pronged information war aimed at the heart of democracy. Yet no-one is calling it out.
This is important and serious and correct. Pre-Soviet Russia and environs was hugely anti-Semitic pre-1917, many or even most of the Jews who emigrated to Canada pre-WW1 came from Eastern Europe/Russia to escape the very real pogroms. Despite many of the Bolsheviks being Jewish and the Jewish Labor Bunds, the USSR was hugely anti-Semitic.
I’ve been trying to learn about Pale of Settlement online and I can’t really find many good lectures on it. I think a lot of the anti-semitic rhetoric comes from the hyper-nationalism of Stalin’s faction. Since Trotsky was Jewish there was added anti-Semitic backlash from Stalin trying to differentiate his strain of Communism
Yes, and many of the Communist Jews who served Stalin and Hitler brought their antisemitic policies to Israel, creating an anti-democratic state bureaucracy to persecute religious and entrepreneurial traditional Jews while ignoring Arab Islamic fanaticism.
What she says in the beginning about this early 1970s official state sponsored Anti Israel, ant Semitism campaign, I just saw a video of one of these old Soviet Regime Military Parades(prolly from late 70s or early 80s), and right there on the podium, watching the parade of tanks and marching soliders, right next to the Top Commissars and upper echelons of Communist party secretariat and military Generals, stood Yasser Arafat in full Islamist PLO regalia.
Yup. Also Mahmoud Abbas studied Soviet 'scientific' anti-Zionism in Moscow in the 60s and wrote a famously rubbish dissertation basically calling Jews Nazis.
What exactly does Ben Gurion has to do w/ Soviet era, stay Sponsored anti semitism she mentions and Arafat's Islamist anti semitism? Please explain @@redspock
responding to your video comment.... "right next to the Top Commissars and upper echelons of Communist party secretariat and military Generals, stood Yasser Arafat in full Islamist PLO regalia."@@tiluriso
"Historically, the Palestinian “desire for statehood” and “need for liberation” was invented in large part by the Soviet Union. It is no coincidence that the blueprint for the PLO Charter was drafted in Moscow in 1964 and was approved by 422 Palestinian representative hand selected by the KGB. At that time, the USSR was in the business of creating people’s liberation fronts. The KGB founded the PLO as well as the National Liberation Army of Bolivia (1964) with Ernesto “Che” Guevara at its head and the National Liberation Army of Colombia (1965)." - Christopher Fish
I’m very glad to have found a video talking about the Soviet influence and fanning of the flames of anti-Israel sentiment that was picked up independently and continued after the end of The Cold War! Very well done!
One of the top 5 best interviews I’ve watched in my LIFE. Izabella Tabarovsky is a whole other level of greatness and brains. She is key tto understanding the world now, and clearly also a compassionate, brave human being. Thank you for making this happen! Jewish history is so complex, no matter how much one reads, there’s always more. And people online who learned about it last week think they’re experts ◡̈ Have some humility and make studying great again!
I lived in Europe for a while. The only time I ever encountered hostility toward me due to my accent (I am a white American) was in communist East Germany. There is no doubt in my mind that communists pushed this.
Palestinian arabs, as someone pointed out, there is no P in arabic, so even calling them Palestinian arabs has no historical basis, other tham Britain referring to Palestinian jews, Palestinian arabs. Palestinian was an artificial political label.
Genetically Palestinians aren't mostly Arabs. Genetics has put rest to the lie that Palestinians are late comers. Ashkenazi are no more related to first century Palestinians than modern Palestinians are. Palestinians and Mizrahi more related to each other than either to Ashkenazi. Believe it or not, plenty of Jews converted to Christianity and Islam because, meh, close enough. I'll never understand anti-woke Zionism. A 100 generation old mytho-historical anti-colonialist grievance is the justification for Zionism and anyone who thinks it weird that people not from a place are actually entitled to it because The Romans is apparently an antisemite. Like with the "Everything is racism" people mere disagreement with an ideology makes you a bigot.
Palestine comes from the word “Philistine”, and the region was given that name by Roman Emperor Hadrian to mock Jews, since the Philistines were portrayed as the Jews mortal enemy in the Tanakh. So no it wasn’t a political label conjured up by the British.
Arab leaders: "There is no such country as Palestine. Palestine is a Zionist invention"... 1937 Awni Bey Abdul Hadi "There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history, absolutely not.”...Prof. Philip K. Hitti, distinguished Arab historian, author of the authoritative book "The Arabs", testifying at the 1946 Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry. "Such a creature as Palestine does not exist at all...." Ahmad Shukeiri 1956 "The Palestinian people do not exist...". Zuheir Mohsen (31 March 1977 - interview: “Wij zijn alleen Palestijn om politieke reden,” James Dorsey, Trouw) “A state named ‘Palestine’ has never existed.”...Hafez al-Assad, Syrian President, at a conference in Amman in 1987 "Brothers, half the Palestinians are Egyptians, the other half are Arabs...." Palestinian Minister Fathi Hammad - In a speech broadcast on Egyptian Al-Helma TV on 23 March 2012 "Jordanians and Palestinians are one people living in two states" .... "Mahmoud Abbas" - 20 Oct 2016
@@soupycask The ottoman empire (1516-1917) did not have a state/province/district/shire of Palestine, neither did the mamluks before them, neither did the crusaders before them. It went from Hadrian's Rome to the catholic church to the Anglican church then this exonym was reimposed by GB. No such ethnicity has existed, the process of Arabs appropriating the title Palestinians started in 1966.
It’s incredible this woman managed to talk about this without once mentioning all the ethnic cleansing campaigns done by the Israelis. It’d be like talking about the US civil war without once mentioning slavery. Almost like she has an agenda or something
@@TheRaggedFlygon Name some of the "ethnic cleansing campaigns." Since there are Muslim Bedouins in the IDF, Arabs in various positions in Govt, etc., in Israel it's not nearly what you make it out to be.
@@serpentines6356 oh there’s Palestinians in the IDF? Notice how I said ethnic cleansing as in the Palestinian ethnicity and not beduins or Arabs. Their ethnic cleansing campaigns include the 1948 Nakba. Settlement expansions and settler terrorist attacks which are ongoing. Sabra and Shatila. Everything associated with Gaza ie blockades and enclosing it with massive walls. The head of Mossad referred to it as a concentration camp so there’s that. The 10s of thousands of civilians killed since October.
@@serpentines6356 Beduins and Arabs in the IDF is irrelevant because I’m talking about Palestinians specifically. The campaigns include 1948 Nakba to begin with. Sabra and Shatila is another. Settlement expansion and settler terrorists attacking West Bank Palestinians. Everything associated with Gaza which former head of Mossad described as a concentration camp. The ongoing war which has killed 10s of thousands of civilians and made Gaza uninhabitable
@@TheRaggedFlygon "Palestinian" is made up political jargon. The '48 partition says "Arab". The Arab states are the ones that told the local Arabs (now, so called, 'palestinians') to move, don't worry because they were going to wipe Israel off the map. There was no "ethnic cleansing" by Israel. As stated, Israel accepts Arabs that live peacefully. There is a giant fence along the border of Egypt, and Gaza for the same reason Israel has one. There was "ethnic cleasing" by the Arabs towards the Jews. Look up what the Jewish populations were since late 1800's and now. It's all about J h--h8red, and ann*hilation of Israel.
Top 5 best interviews I’ve watched in my LIFE. Izabella Tabarovsky is a whole other level of brains and greatness. She is key to understanding the world chaos in 2024, and clearly also a compassionate, brave human. Thank you for making this happen! Jewish history is so complex, no matter how much one reads, there’s always more. People online who learned about it last week think they’re experts. Have some humility and - make studying great again! ◡̈
It's an excellent interview. But she did not explain that officially Soviet Jews were not prohibited from any higher education institutes or employment. Which led to very complicated trickery, where a lot of examiners and employers who were not antisemitic and would be happy to accept smart Jewish students or well qualified Jewish employees had to reject them because of secret directions or pressure from Communist Party or KGB personell, and yet make it seem as if it was all fair. They did not fool anyone, but... "They lie, we know that they lie, they know that we know, and yet they keep lying snd we keep pretending that we believe them." An excellent description of what it was like is in the book "Love and Math" by Edward Frenkel.
It's a tricky topic, honestly. As with many things, the official ideology and o actual practices of the state were often at odds ... But not always at odds. So the ideal of a multiethnic communist utopia was always promoted in propaganda. But Stalin picked and chose which ethnic minorities were enemies of the people and which were favored by the Kremlin. In all cases, the Russian imperial tradition of russification carried on throughout the Soviet Period. And Stalin, in particular, engaged in more than a little bit of ethnic cleansing. So was it actually ethnic seperatist? The ethnic minority republics were, in theory, protective of ethnic diversity. In practice they are were sometimes tools of minority subjugation and even ethnic cleansing. If you can describe that in just one term, go for it.
I recall being astonished by a well educated russian, who spoke very negatively about a jew at a social event. I remember responding: "In my country it would be completely inappropriate to speak like that." . This is anecdotal, and I did not think much about it, but it does fit in to the bigger picture.😊
Great interview. I would love to see Izabella do a deep conversation with people like Kimberle Crenshaw, Nikole Hannah-Jones, Ibram X. Kendi, and Ta-Nehisi Coates about how to reconcile some of the problematic ways that Critical Race Theory and Intersectional Feminism often adopt these Soviet framings that have historical ties to Anti-Semitism. I think both CRT and Intersectional Feminism are great, in general, for viewing anti-Black racism in America, helping people understand the history of systemic racism and learn to spot and avoid dog-whistles rooted in anti-Blackness. But when it comes to Anti-Semitism (in the US or elsewhere) they are not a great fit and some of their assumptions get mis-applied to Israel/Palestine (Jews Are "White", Israel is the Colonizer etc.) If we can listen to Black People in order to understand Racism, and err on the side of steering clear of ideas and words that have been used to historically oppress them, we should be able to do the same for Jews and Israelis. This conversation is especially important given the history that Tabarovsky has documented of the Soviet Union purposefully spreading Anti-Semitism under the guise of Anti-Zionism, in the Black Liberation movement. I believe that Coates has a book on Israel/Palestine that is about to be released. I would love to see Tabarovsky review it and interview him about some of these things.
Yes but the cause of that fabrication was not used again Zion. There was no physical Zion. And this lady makes a cogent analysis of the origins of contemporary anti-Semitism/anti-Zionism. Particularly their perception of Soviet need to bolster those in ME who had been unsuccessful with Soviet arms against Israel. So Psychological Warfare was turned to. Thence it's pre-dominance in Soviet Foreign Policy, and for post-Soviet Socialists, and fellow travellers. In which the Protocols were handy for them. Intersect with Cultural Marxism, thence post-truth narratives, etc.. I have learnt through all this how credulous so many people are. Turkeys really do vote for Xmas. (As if I could care).
I grew up in the ussr and know it from the inside, not from pretty pictures and false propaganda. It was a total anti-Semitic country. Do you know what the fifth line on a Soviet passport was? A person's ethnic origin. Also for Jews, even non-religious Jews, it was "Jew". Because they were Jewish by blood. Just like in Hitler's Germany, it helped to discriminate.
When I was young, I worked with an old German, who during the war was fighting on the eastern front. His unit was captured by the Russian army. They told him: “We don’t like the Jews, and you don’t like the Jews, so you are OK”. My college was freed after the war and fled to west Germany. He was a very gentle man that loved all people.
Back in 1947 when the UN had the vote to partition and recognize Israel Soviet Union voted for it because they believed there would be a soviet Socialist kind of paradise that was being created. But in 1948 when the Arabs were getting ready to invade Israel the Soviets had sold and in some cases given away weapons and armaments to different groups in many of those situations buying the Russian jets there were no pilots in their forces getting ready to invade Israel so the Russians supplied their own pilots. The British gave the weapons and heavy machinery like tanks and other things to the people of Jordan and likewise with those who didn't know how to operate tanks they gave the people to operate those tanks against Israel all of those countries came against us. When David Ben Gurion called on Truman to seek help Truman as all American governments from then to now all said the same thing. Our hands are tied, maybe you should just leave and let the Arabs have their land. Their words not mine. Yet the lying Moslems have always said it wasn't Israel who defeated their forces it was America yet in each time of war all of the Americans said the same thing. You will either sink or swim. If Ha-Shem is truly on your side you will survive if not then it is the end.
Izabella needs to be much more specific - give years not "when I was young" and where in the USSR was she raised? And which actuall universities etc etc. Please, you need to be more specific. Interviewer should have pushed her more to get the specifics otherwise it sounds like a grudge be Izabella, but also we need a full picture.
Well this is just an interview and not a dissertation. I can concur as well as many comments in the chat, that everything she describes did occur in the Soviet Union. Jews were discouraged from certain professions and there was an unofficial quota for Jews in the major Soviet universities. They would just reject you without giving a valid reason. It appears that in the West today similar agenda is being pushed by making universities uncomfortable for Jewish students and professors. That is completely a far left agenda.
@@hansfrankfurter2903 You could simply have defined "based" for the person who doesn't yet know the term. Instead, you chose to be insulting & demeaning (& to have done that via hackneyed cliché). Hans, don't justify and defend your needless choice to go with meanness and dismissiveness: just choose otherwise going forward. How 'bout it?
Masha Gessen is a sellout. I saw an interview with her after she published that article, and she just loved the attention she was getting and being hugged and told "You are one of us" by that certain crowd. Since she left Russia she has been surrounded by that crowd. She never experienced or cares to experience anything else. So now she is indeed one of them, and cannot think on her own.
It's they, not she, not that it makes their positions vis-à-vis Israel/Palestine any more credible or their comparisons less abhorrent. Which is a shame, because their books and commentary on Russia have been pretty good for the most part.
@@Quillette The Antisemitism card in order to deflect the world's attention from Israel's crimes against the Palestinian people! I second that! It doesn't work anymore!
Anti-Semitism cannot have its roots in something Soviet because it existed long before the Soviet Union was formed. The lady is stating a totally classic conspiracy theory.
If your command of English was ever so slightly better, you would have heard that she introduces her talk stating her focus is origins of contemporary anti-Semitism. Not anti-Semitism throughout history. Or perhaps, jumping to conclusions, you are not without prejudice.
Israel HELPED the Palestinians when they moved there as refugees. Prosperity and Life Expectancy jumped THE PROBLEM is Arabs of Palestine rioting on Jewish villages in the early 1800s, long before Zionism, and especially increases in the 1920s and 1930s and 1940s. NOT ALL ARABS. Some liked their Jewish neighbors and the added prosperity and Life expectancy, higher than other Arab countries. Al-Husseini, who later became a Nazi, told "Oh Moslems" to annihilate every last Jew. Palestinian-Arabs who liked Jews became 2 million Arab citizens of Israel, with full rights and freedom. (They have good reason to fear Hamas and other terror groups. Their *increased* allegiance to Israel makes them traitors, likely to be severely injured before ended. That's how it was in the 1930s.) The Arabs who launched the violence and war on Jews from 1947-1949, and for many more times after, THOSE are the ones who aren't welcome back. Israel would CELEBRATE a peaceful stable Palestinian state, the one they were offered by the United Nations in 1947, but they REFUSE to establish their state. Who stated they would fight AGAINST PEACE "to the last drop of blood of Palestinian children?" Trump? Netanyahu? Ben Shapiro? Palestinian Ambassador? Go on. Guess. Ok, it was Ahmed Aql of the Palestinian Authority.
And the more people point this out and stand up for the Palestinians the bigger the lies will get as they try and justify their nasty evil ways. If they could re write history and re educate the world like they do in israeli schools they would.
I refuse to be lectured on anything about Israel and Gaza when you don't ever ever talked about how they the guardians have continuously done exactly the same barberism that you accuse Israel of
@@sorayah7080😂😂😂 you can lie to the rest of the world and they will eat it up bro but you can't argue with PPL who have the living history that you're trying to say doesn't exist so you can take your f****** words and you can try and convince the rest of the world Jewish people don't care
@@gg_rider Thanks for that little write up. I have been reading up a bit more, watching videos on this subject since Oct. 7th. Knew about Al -Husseini, and some of the history, & had read about Islamism, the Muslim Brotherhood etc., before 9/11. I did watch a video where someone was talking about how Al Husseini really kicked up the Jew h--8red, where Arabs and Israelis were getting along. I think of the expression, "poisoning the water". What despicable people that do that. I also watched a very interesting video of Iraqi J's who had escaped slaughter when that whole mess was going on in Iraq. Luckily, some had Muslim neighbors as friends and they helped hide them from slaughter by other Muslims. I liked the video I recently watched, "Palestine Lies", with Ben-Dror Yemini. Where I live it's almost all "progressive", "pro-palestine" all the time. I want to have more dialogue with the opposition but haven't had much of a chance. The couple of times I tried, the 'opposition' didn't want to talk.
I love how the Quillette is obsessed with defending Zionism. I get that Claire Lehmann married a Jew, but does the entire publication need to go down this route?
Claire Lehmann’s husband is not Jewish. This video is part of an Israel series. If you don’t like it, please check out the hundreds of other videos we have that aren’t on Israel.
Lmao what on earth are you talking about? Just making up nonsense and immediately reverting to "Zionism bruh" to try and deter quillette from publishing history on anti-semitism 😂🤦♂️🤦♂️
Because quillete is pro western, and it's possible to see Israel Palestine through the prism of Jihadi/anti - west / communist (which is west hating and therfore supports Jihadi). Not simply through the prism which you see the world of 'oh Spot the Zionist Shrill' mentality
Opinions differ as to origin. Ashkenazi means German. BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER. If Cherokee or Japanese families PURCHASED LAND FROM ARABS, as Jewish refugees did, they would have just as much right to land ownership as anyone else. THE PROBLEM is that Umar (one of Mohammed's guys) invaded and stole the land in 634, so Allah told Mohammed it's Sharia forever, no infidels allowed. Especially not Jews, according to Holy Books.
This idea has already been debunked by genomic and historical research. Ashkenazis have genetic origins in the Levant. Historical records in Europe also provide ample evidence that they traveled from the eastern Mediterranean after expulsion to the Italian peninsula then traveled north into the medieval German kingdoms. If you aren't a historian, then stop this nonsense of spreading incredibly outdated false information. It's either dishonest or irresponsible.
*Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture* Prof. Haber et.al. Beirut, Lebanon. Author’s summary: " In particular, conversion of the region's populations to Islam appears to have introduced major rearrangements in populations' relations through admixture with culturally similar but geographically remote populations, leading to genetic similarities between remarkably distant populations like Jordanians, Moroccans, and Yemenis. Conversely, other populations, like Christians and Druze, became genetically isolated in the new cultural environment. *We reconstructed the genetic structure of the Levantines and found that a pre-Islamic invasions Levant was more genetically similar to Europeans than to other Middle Easterners."*
I was raised by USSR sympathizers and romanticizers. I immediately recognized these tropes as well. I’m so glad someone who grew up in the USSR can confirm it for us.
Absolutly! Very similar expirience in by me , in my childhood. 5% jew quote in good colleges. No jews in any in some colleges.
There was a time when the Soviets seemed to offer a promising alternative for the future. And it took quite some time for the truth of Lenin's missteps and Stalin's atrocities to emerge in the West. in fact, it couldn't really happen until after Nazism and Italian fascism were defeated.
It's such a shame. The Soviets took a beautiful dream and a promising theory and transformed it into a living hell.
The utopianism that was there in the early days of Bolshevism was almost immediately lost after the Russian civil war.
The greatest irony is that if Marx were around to witness it, he would have almost certainly said that Lenin's revisions to Marxism were bad ones. And, as for Stalin ... You can't liberate a proletariat by sending them to gulags, starving them in a famine, creating a police state, and scapegoating Jews.
I never blame westerners who idealize the Soviet Union for their ideals. But after c1950 we must be critical of their willingness to be blind to the reality of what Soviet communism had become. That includes criticizing their russification efforts, their ethnic cleansings and their jew-hatred.
@@RobespierreThePoof The issue is that utopian theories don't take into account human nature, so it never works in the real world. My grandparents seriously considered moving to the USSR in the 1950s since they, too, believed the beautiful dream though were shocked when they visited. I have much more sympathy for their generation than someone in 2024 who still thinks communism is a good idea, now that there's a huge body of research in social psychology, behavioral economics, and other fields that explain how the human mind works. It's very predictable. These folks seem too lazy to read business and marketing academic journals, but it's all there. There was even a nonviolent test model in the Israeli kibbutz system, where all the smart people left and most of the kibbutzim are now either privatized or subsidized. Theories may sound beautiful but only work in fantasyland.
Marx was a profoundly self-hating Jew. He wrote "One world -- without Jews!" He had internalized the virus, the sickness. SO damaged:
And that damage *itself* (that deadly self-hatred & the compulsion to escape one's Judaic identity at any price) was and is an 'artifact' of anti-Jew hatred (a.k.a. "antisemitism"). His worldview was sub-or-semi-consciously hijacked in service of that: in service of the compulsion to escape & eliminate Judaic identity (and any collective validity / peoplehood). For all his vaunted 'intelligence' & genius, he was utterly unwise and lacking in emotional intelligence & even the rudiments of emotional health. His 'idealistic' (sic) "One world -- without Jews!" both 1) reveals what really undergirds & drove his whole "philosophy"/idealogy, and 2) was a writ for genocide.
I'm about same age and have the same USSR background as Izabella and can confirm every detail of her story based on my personal experience. The only thing I should mention that antisemitism was manifesting in much more violent forms in schools and universities. In school I was constantly getting remarks like: "go to Israel, you dirty Jew." Once my award for a citywide competition was given to another person and later explained to my parents: "because of my Jewish last name". We had nothing Jewish about us but our Jewish last names and the 5th line (nationality) in our passports and still...
That's so crazy! People of Soviet origin in the West are so valuable, I wish you guys would all tell your stories loudly to drown out the new generation of young people who think communism a good idea.
Soviet ideological relations with Western progressives: journalists, left party members, intellectuals were much broader than we know. Ideological influence was immense. The whole anti colonial agenda was developing exactly at that time: early 70s. KGB connections with Arabs were simply direct and uncovered. Arab “students” officially studied in USSR and GDR. Relations with German Shtazi were very close too. That’s very interesting and profound realm for research : “poisoning The West and Third world with antisemitic and bloody terrorist propaganda by Soviet ideological structures.”
Stasi - Staatssicherheit (full name: MfS - Ministerium für Staatssicherheit = ministry for state security = Министерство государственной безопасности)
Yes it’s surprising how many historical narratives that have origins from soviet or left-wing propaganda have slipped in and have otherwise become normalized in history textbooks and other historical books, to the point not even conservative historians or people realize it.
You'll also find a slightly spun style of Marxist/Iranian propaganda in the book "Staging a Revolution: The Art of Persuasion in the Islamic Republic of Iran" by Peter Chelkowski and Hamid Dabashi. This book has an amazing collection of Iranian antisemitic propaganda, which you'll see in Iran's antisemitic cartoon contest a few years back, and their modern propaganda.
Imagine being a country government and holding a contest for the best racist propaganda cartoon against ANY national group... What kind of fucked up Black Mirror world are we living in?!
At 60, retired US military intell analyst & Russian linguist - this gives me chills. Ever since Oct 7, I feel like I’m watching a nightmare - all the old rhetoric rising up out of the mouths of the far left. Enabling the far right. And knowing it is part and parcel of a multi-pronged information war aimed at the heart of democracy. Yet no-one is calling it out.
This is important and serious and correct. Pre-Soviet Russia and environs was hugely anti-Semitic pre-1917, many or even most of the Jews who emigrated to Canada pre-WW1 came from Eastern Europe/Russia to escape the very real pogroms. Despite many of the Bolsheviks being Jewish and the Jewish Labor Bunds, the USSR was hugely anti-Semitic.
Yes, I thank my ancestors on the regular
I’ve been trying to learn about Pale of Settlement online and I can’t really find many good lectures on it. I think a lot of the anti-semitic rhetoric comes from the hyper-nationalism of Stalin’s faction. Since Trotsky was Jewish there was added anti-Semitic backlash from Stalin trying to differentiate his strain of Communism
Strange that . There are so may Russian jews. Putin has repeatedly said Ukraine are nazi anti semetic. Hes said this many times.
@@TheRaggedFlygon It's so much deeper -- so much more deeply and more broadly embedded than that.
Yes, and many of the Communist Jews who served Stalin and Hitler brought their antisemitic policies to Israel, creating an anti-democratic state bureaucracy to persecute religious and entrepreneurial traditional Jews while ignoring Arab Islamic fanaticism.
What she says in the beginning about this early 1970s official state sponsored Anti Israel, ant Semitism campaign, I just saw a video of one of these old Soviet Regime Military Parades(prolly from late 70s or early 80s), and right there on the podium, watching the parade of tanks and marching soliders, right next to the Top Commissars and upper echelons of Communist party secretariat and military Generals, stood Yasser Arafat in full Islamist PLO regalia.
Yup. Also Mahmoud Abbas studied Soviet 'scientific' anti-Zionism in Moscow in the 60s and wrote a famously rubbish dissertation basically calling Jews Nazis.
everyone needs a sugar daddy. David Ben Gurion was in search of his after the Suez Crisis.
What exactly does Ben Gurion has to do w/ Soviet era, stay Sponsored anti semitism she mentions and Arafat's Islamist anti semitism? Please explain @@redspock
responding to your video comment.... "right next to the Top Commissars and upper echelons of Communist party secretariat and military Generals, stood Yasser Arafat in full Islamist PLO regalia."@@tiluriso
"Historically, the Palestinian “desire for statehood” and “need for liberation” was invented in large part by the Soviet Union. It is no coincidence that the blueprint for the PLO Charter was drafted in Moscow in 1964 and was approved by 422 Palestinian representative hand selected by the KGB. At that time, the USSR was in the business of creating people’s liberation fronts. The KGB founded the PLO as well as the National Liberation Army of Bolivia (1964) with Ernesto “Che” Guevara at its head and the National Liberation Army of Colombia (1965)." - Christopher Fish
At only 7k views this video and topic is criminally underrated.
8 months later and we’re still only at 11k views
this channel is great i love the intimate conversations and the feel.
I’m very glad to have found a video talking about the Soviet influence and fanning of the flames of anti-Israel sentiment that was picked up independently and continued after the end of The Cold War! Very well done!
One of the top 5 best interviews I’ve watched in my LIFE. Izabella Tabarovsky is a whole other level of greatness and brains. She is key tto understanding the world now, and clearly also a compassionate, brave human being. Thank you for making this happen! Jewish history is so complex, no matter how much one reads, there’s always more. And people online who learned about it last week think they’re experts ◡̈ Have some humility and make studying great again!
I lived in Europe for a while. The only time I ever encountered hostility toward me due to my accent (I am a white American) was in communist East Germany. There is no doubt in my mind that communists pushed this.
My brother lived in Germany after reunification. He told me about the open hostility towards him from east Germans for his poor German
Interesting. Commenting for the algorithm. This kind of scholarship needs to be much more widely known.
Palestinian arabs, as someone pointed out, there is no P in arabic, so even calling them Palestinian arabs has no historical basis, other tham Britain referring to Palestinian jews, Palestinian arabs. Palestinian was an artificial political label.
Genetically Palestinians aren't mostly Arabs. Genetics has put rest to the lie that Palestinians are late comers. Ashkenazi are no more related to first century Palestinians than modern Palestinians are. Palestinians and Mizrahi more related to each other than either to Ashkenazi. Believe it or not, plenty of Jews converted to Christianity and Islam because, meh, close enough. I'll never understand anti-woke Zionism. A 100 generation old mytho-historical anti-colonialist grievance is the justification for Zionism and anyone who thinks it weird that people not from a place are actually entitled to it because The Romans is apparently an antisemite. Like with the "Everything is racism" people mere disagreement with an ideology makes you a bigot.
Palestine comes from the word “Philistine”, and the region was given that name by Roman Emperor Hadrian to mock Jews, since the Philistines were portrayed as the Jews mortal enemy in the Tanakh. So no it wasn’t a political label conjured up by the British.
Arab leaders:
"There is no such country as Palestine. Palestine is a Zionist invention"... 1937 Awni Bey Abdul Hadi
"There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history, absolutely not.”...Prof. Philip K. Hitti, distinguished Arab historian, author of the authoritative book "The Arabs", testifying at the 1946 Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry.
"Such a creature as Palestine does not exist at all...." Ahmad Shukeiri 1956
"The Palestinian people do not exist...". Zuheir Mohsen (31 March 1977 - interview: “Wij zijn alleen Palestijn om politieke reden,” James Dorsey, Trouw)
“A state named ‘Palestine’ has never existed.”...Hafez al-Assad, Syrian President, at a conference in Amman in 1987
"Brothers, half the Palestinians are Egyptians, the other half are Arabs...." Palestinian Minister Fathi Hammad - In a speech broadcast on Egyptian Al-Helma TV on 23 March 2012
"Jordanians and Palestinians are one people living in two states" .... "Mahmoud Abbas" - 20 Oct 2016
@@soupycask The ottoman empire (1516-1917) did not have a state/province/district/shire of Palestine, neither did the mamluks before them, neither did the crusaders before them.
It went from Hadrian's Rome to the catholic church to the Anglican church then this exonym was reimposed by GB.
No such ethnicity has existed, the process of Arabs appropriating the title Palestinians started in 1966.
The Soviets were advising the PLO and other "Palestinian" terror groups. So
It’s incredible this woman managed to talk about this without once mentioning all the ethnic cleansing campaigns done by the Israelis. It’d be like talking about the US civil war without once mentioning slavery. Almost like she has an agenda or something
@@TheRaggedFlygon Name some of the "ethnic cleansing campaigns."
Since there are Muslim Bedouins in the IDF, Arabs in various positions in Govt, etc., in Israel it's not nearly what you make it out to be.
@@serpentines6356 oh there’s Palestinians in the IDF? Notice how I said ethnic cleansing as in the Palestinian ethnicity and not beduins or Arabs. Their ethnic cleansing campaigns include the 1948 Nakba. Settlement expansions and settler terrorist attacks which are ongoing. Sabra and Shatila. Everything associated with Gaza ie blockades and enclosing it with massive walls. The head of Mossad referred to it as a concentration camp so there’s that. The 10s of thousands of civilians killed since October.
@@serpentines6356 Beduins and Arabs in the IDF is irrelevant because I’m talking about Palestinians specifically. The campaigns include 1948 Nakba to begin with. Sabra and Shatila is another. Settlement expansion and settler terrorists attacking West Bank Palestinians. Everything associated with Gaza which former head of Mossad described as a concentration camp. The ongoing war which has killed 10s of thousands of civilians and made Gaza uninhabitable
@@TheRaggedFlygon "Palestinian" is made up political jargon.
The '48 partition says "Arab".
The Arab states are the ones that told the local Arabs (now, so called, 'palestinians') to move, don't worry because they were going to wipe Israel off the map.
There was no "ethnic cleansing" by Israel. As stated, Israel accepts Arabs that live peacefully.
There is a giant fence along the border of Egypt, and Gaza for the same reason Israel has one.
There was "ethnic cleasing" by the Arabs towards the Jews.
Look up what the Jewish populations were since late 1800's and now.
It's all about J h--h8red, and ann*hilation of Israel.
Top 5 best interviews I’ve watched in my LIFE. Izabella Tabarovsky is a whole other level of brains and greatness. She is key to understanding the world chaos in 2024, and clearly also a compassionate, brave human. Thank you for making this happen! Jewish history is so complex, no matter how much one reads, there’s always more. People online who learned about it last week think they’re experts. Have some humility and - make studying great again! ◡̈
If somebody is struggling to understand why "anti-zionism" is blatant antisemitism, please watch this interview in it's entirety and level up.
It's an excellent interview. But she did not explain that officially Soviet Jews were not prohibited from any higher education institutes or employment. Which led to very complicated trickery, where a lot of examiners and employers who were not antisemitic and would be happy to accept smart Jewish students or well qualified Jewish employees had to reject them because of secret directions or pressure from Communist Party or KGB personell, and yet make it seem as if it was all fair. They did not fool anyone, but... "They lie, we know that they lie, they know that we know, and yet they keep lying snd we keep pretending that we believe them."
An excellent description of what it was like is in the book "Love and Math" by Edward Frenkel.
Бедные мальчики в трусиках (преподаватели и работодатели)
Which kinds of ethnic separatism was the Soviet Union not against?
Muslim when it was convenient
It's a tricky topic, honestly. As with many things, the official ideology and o actual practices of the state were often at odds ... But not always at odds. So the ideal of a multiethnic communist utopia was always promoted in propaganda. But Stalin picked and chose which ethnic minorities were enemies of the people and which were favored by the Kremlin. In all cases, the Russian imperial tradition of russification carried on throughout the Soviet Period. And Stalin, in particular, engaged in more than a little bit of ethnic cleansing.
So was it actually ethnic seperatist? The ethnic minority republics were, in theory, protective of ethnic diversity. In practice they are were sometimes tools of minority subjugation and even ethnic cleansing.
If you can describe that in just one term, go for it.
Palestinian.
I recall being astonished by a well educated russian, who spoke very negatively about a jew at a social event. I remember responding: "In my country it would be completely inappropriate to speak like that."
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This is anecdotal, and I did not think much about it, but it does fit in to the bigger picture.😊
Secular Jewish Tankie Max Blumenthal outright denies Soviet anti-Semitism and defends it as Soviet anti-Zionism.
Look at it from a vantage point of timeliness. If Jewish history could be condensed into one year, then Karl Marx would be about five days old.
Great interview. I would love to see Izabella do a deep conversation with people like Kimberle Crenshaw, Nikole Hannah-Jones, Ibram X. Kendi, and Ta-Nehisi Coates about how to reconcile some of the problematic ways that Critical Race Theory and Intersectional Feminism often adopt these Soviet framings that have historical ties to Anti-Semitism. I think both CRT and Intersectional Feminism are great, in general, for viewing anti-Black racism in America, helping people understand the history of systemic racism and learn to spot and avoid dog-whistles rooted in anti-Blackness. But when it comes to Anti-Semitism (in the US or elsewhere) they are not a great fit and some of their assumptions get mis-applied to Israel/Palestine (Jews Are "White", Israel is the Colonizer etc.) If we can listen to Black People in order to understand Racism, and err on the side of steering clear of ideas and words that have been used to historically oppress them, we should be able to do the same for Jews and Israelis. This conversation is especially important given the history that Tabarovsky has documented of the Soviet Union purposefully spreading Anti-Semitism under the guise of Anti-Zionism, in the Black Liberation movement. I believe that Coates has a book on Israel/Palestine that is about to be released. I would love to see Tabarovsky review it and interview him about some of these things.
What it has to do with USSR if current protests go ahead in american or european countries
The foundation
Lot of racist left-wing people in this comment section.
Loved the content but couldn't really continue to listen due to the poor audio quality. Please invest in a couple of USB mics.
Nothing wrong with the sound. It's speech not music. I noticed it shifted. Maybe studio software mangled it a bit.
New Lies For Old by Anatoliyn Golysten is a fantastic read. X KGB defector.
Extremely poignant, thank you for this
Happy 9th of May and 27th of January
What about tsarists antisemitism.
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?
It was invented just before the revolution.
Yes but the cause of that fabrication was not used again Zion. There was no physical Zion. And this lady makes a cogent analysis of the origins of contemporary anti-Semitism/anti-Zionism. Particularly their perception of Soviet need to bolster those in ME who had been unsuccessful with Soviet arms against Israel. So Psychological Warfare was turned to. Thence it's pre-dominance in Soviet Foreign Policy, and for post-Soviet Socialists, and fellow travellers. In which the Protocols were handy for them. Intersect with Cultural Marxism, thence post-truth narratives, etc.. I have learnt through all this how credulous so many people are. Turkeys really do vote for Xmas. (As if I could care).
I grew up in the ussr and know it from the inside, not from pretty pictures and false propaganda. It was a total anti-Semitic country. Do you know what the fifth line on a Soviet passport was? A person's ethnic origin. Also for Jews, even non-religious Jews, it was "Jew". Because they were Jewish by blood.
Just like in Hitler's Germany, it helped to discriminate.
When I was young, I worked with an old German, who during the war was fighting on the eastern front. His unit was captured by the Russian army. They told him: “We don’t like the Jews, and you don’t like the Jews, so you are OK”. My college was freed after the war and fled to west Germany. He was a very gentle man that loved all people.
Am Israel Chai
Lots of Bolsheviks were J-ish.
Wel, this oughta be good.
Judging by the video break down it's nothing more than Zionist propaganda.
There's literally a section discouraging people from comparing the Warsaw Uprising to October 7.
@@purdysanchezAs there literally should be
@@spiderqueen601, so you're against perfect analogies?
@@spiderqueen601why? Its a pretty 1 for 1 comparison
Back in 1947 when the UN had the vote to partition and recognize Israel Soviet Union voted for it because they believed there would be a soviet Socialist kind of paradise that was being created. But in 1948 when the Arabs were getting ready to invade Israel the Soviets had sold and in some cases given away weapons and armaments to different groups in many of those situations buying the Russian jets there were no pilots in their forces getting ready to invade Israel so the Russians supplied their own pilots. The British gave the weapons and heavy machinery like tanks and other things to the people of Jordan and likewise with those who didn't know how to operate tanks they gave the people to operate those tanks against Israel all of those countries came against us. When David Ben Gurion called on Truman to seek help Truman as all American governments from then to now all said the same thing. Our hands are tied, maybe you should just leave and let the Arabs have their land. Their words not mine. Yet the lying Moslems have always said it wasn't Israel who defeated their forces it was America yet in each time of war all of the Americans said the same thing. You will either sink or swim. If Ha-Shem is truly on your side you will survive if not then it is the end.
David Baddiel
So can everyone have an ethno-state?
😂😂😂 you do realise there's 50 like 30 something Arab Muslim states that are literally that and you say nothing about that
Check out Asia. And count up the Muslim ethnostates. Your question is rhetorical.
All states are ethnostates.
Yes
Most of Stalin's top generals were Jews..? Namely the one in control of the eastern from of Germany during WW2...lol
Therefore the Soviet Union didn't discriminate against Jews?🤡
Izabella needs to be much more specific - give years not "when I was young" and where in the USSR was she raised? And which actuall universities etc etc. Please, you need to be more specific. Interviewer should have pushed her more to get the specifics otherwise it sounds like a grudge be Izabella, but also we need a full picture.
Well this is just an interview and not a dissertation. I can concur as well as many comments in the chat, that everything she describes did occur in the Soviet Union. Jews were discouraged from certain professions and there was an unofficial quota for Jews in the major Soviet universities. They would just reject you without giving a valid reason. It appears that in the West today similar agenda is being pushed by making universities uncomfortable for Jewish students and professors. That is completely a far left agenda.
Deeper study reveals a plethora of scholarship on this exact issue. I take this as a personal anecdotal discussion.
Didn't know the Soviets were this based!
Thanks for the vid!
"Based"?
You must be young. Those of us who grew up in the 60s and 70s all knew it.
@@SusanKGreen-zu3xb ok boomer
@@hansfrankfurter2903 You could simply have defined "based" for the person who doesn't yet know the term. Instead, you chose to be insulting & demeaning (& to have done that via hackneyed cliché).
Hans, don't justify and defend your needless choice to go with meanness and dismissiveness: just choose otherwise going forward.
How 'bout it?
Masha Gessen is a sellout. I saw an interview with her after she published that article, and she just loved the attention she was getting and being hugged and told "You are one of us" by that certain crowd. Since she left Russia she has been surrounded by that crowd. She never experienced or cares to experience anything else. So now she is indeed one of them, and cannot think on her own.
It's they, not she, not that it makes their positions vis-à-vis Israel/Palestine any more credible or their comparisons less abhorrent. Which is a shame, because their books and commentary on Russia have been pretty good for the most part.
The first red flag about Masha Gessen for me was when she was saying that she is gender fluid.
In one of Masha interviews to the Russian Blogger she has said......Americans still believe they are the true Victors in WW2...........
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Why is the audio for these sorts of interviews always so AWFUL???
Another fact for you to delete: the most read book in history is the bible, not the protocols.
Now do one comparing Isaeli and Nazi schoolbooks.
I second that.
Nurit Peled-Elhanan has written spectacular work on depictions of Arabs in Israeli schoolbooks
They won't. This channel is ultra-zionist
Sounds good - so we can conclude that they aren’t remotely similar
@@spiderqueen601 Not if you read what Nurit Peled-Elhanan (an Israeli) has to say about it in her book!
This card has been played to death. It does not work anymore. Sorry.
Which card?
@Quillette,
This channel really has become a joke when it comes to this subject.
@@Quillette The Antisemitism card in order to deflect the world's attention from Israel's crimes against the Palestinian people! I second that! It doesn't work anymore!
@@purdysanchez Bc you hate Jews?
Translation: "stop talking about the problem, it offends my sensibilities"
Alll very subjective.
Anti-Semitism cannot have its roots in something Soviet because it existed long before the Soviet Union was formed. The lady is stating a totally classic conspiracy theory.
If your command of English was ever so slightly better, you would have heard that she introduces her talk stating her focus is origins of contemporary anti-Semitism. Not anti-Semitism throughout history. Or perhaps, jumping to conclusions, you are not without prejudice.
No it doesn’t !
The issue isn't Soviet propaganda. The issue is the brutality of Israel itself toward the Palestinians.
Israel HELPED the Palestinians when they moved there as refugees. Prosperity and Life Expectancy jumped
THE PROBLEM is Arabs of Palestine rioting on Jewish villages in the early 1800s, long before Zionism, and especially increases in the 1920s and 1930s and 1940s.
NOT ALL ARABS. Some liked their Jewish neighbors and the added prosperity and Life expectancy, higher than other Arab countries.
Al-Husseini, who later became a Nazi, told "Oh Moslems" to annihilate every last Jew.
Palestinian-Arabs who liked Jews became 2 million Arab citizens of Israel, with full rights and freedom. (They have good reason to fear Hamas and other terror groups. Their *increased* allegiance to Israel makes them traitors, likely to be severely injured before ended. That's how it was in the 1930s.)
The Arabs who launched the violence and war on Jews from 1947-1949, and for many more times after, THOSE are the ones who aren't welcome back.
Israel would CELEBRATE a peaceful stable Palestinian state, the one they were offered by the United Nations in 1947, but they REFUSE to establish their state.
Who stated they would fight AGAINST PEACE "to the last drop of blood of Palestinian children?"
Trump?
Netanyahu?
Ben Shapiro?
Palestinian Ambassador?
Go on. Guess.
Ok, it was Ahmed Aql of the Palestinian Authority.
And the more people point this out and stand up for the Palestinians the bigger the lies will get as they try and justify their nasty evil ways. If they could re write history and re educate the world like they do in israeli schools they would.
I refuse to be lectured on anything about Israel and Gaza when you don't ever ever talked about how they the guardians have continuously done exactly the same barberism that you accuse Israel of
@@sorayah7080😂😂😂 you can lie to the rest of the world and they will eat it up bro but you can't argue with PPL who have the living history that you're trying to say doesn't exist so you can take your f****** words and you can try and convince the rest of the world Jewish people don't care
@@gg_rider Thanks for that little write up.
I have been reading up a bit more, watching videos on this subject since Oct. 7th.
Knew about Al -Husseini, and some of the history, & had read about Islamism, the Muslim Brotherhood etc., before 9/11.
I did watch a video where someone was talking about how Al Husseini really kicked up the Jew h--8red, where Arabs and Israelis were getting along.
I think of the expression, "poisoning the water".
What despicable people that do that.
I also watched a very interesting video of Iraqi J's who had escaped slaughter when that whole mess was going on in Iraq.
Luckily, some had Muslim neighbors as friends and they helped hide them from slaughter by other Muslims.
I liked the video I recently watched, "Palestine Lies", with Ben-Dror Yemini.
Where I live it's almost all "progressive", "pro-palestine" all the time.
I want to have more dialogue with the opposition but haven't had much of a chance. The couple of times I tried, the 'opposition' didn't want to talk.
I love how the Quillette is obsessed with defending Zionism. I get that Claire Lehmann married a Jew, but does the entire publication need to go down this route?
Claire Lehmann’s husband is not Jewish. This video is part of an Israel series. If you don’t like it, please check out the hundreds of other videos we have that aren’t on Israel.
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How much do you love it? More than Allah or less than Allah?
Lmao what on earth are you talking about? Just making up nonsense and immediately reverting to "Zionism bruh" to try and deter quillette from publishing history on anti-semitism 😂🤦♂️🤦♂️
Because quillete is pro western, and it's possible to see Israel Palestine through the prism of Jihadi/anti - west / communist (which is west hating and therfore supports Jihadi).
Not simply through the prism which you see the world of 'oh Spot the Zionist Shrill' mentality
@@Quillette How nice of you to make an Israel series while they are committing mass-murder, ethnic cleansing and arguably genocide..
For the real history, and to learn what Zionism truly is, one should seek out Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro's presentations on "Committing High Reason."
Zionism is the right to self-determination for Jews what the f*** is your glitch bro just say you hate Jews I mean just you're allowed to
I will look some random person on the internet telling Jews and people what to think and feel what a surprise
Define, "real history".
@@serpentines6356 - that which can be independently verified by more than one source.... capiche?
.....the real history...?.....how do you know that....?.... what are your sources..?
So can we then equate that Modern Israeli Islamophobia has it's roots in Soviet Antizionist propaganda? I mean the parallels are unmistakable.
Ashkenazi Jews aren't Semetic.. they are European.
Its more like Anti-Ashkenazi-ism.
Opinions differ as to origin. Ashkenazi means German.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER.
If Cherokee or Japanese families PURCHASED LAND FROM ARABS, as Jewish refugees did, they would have just as much right to land ownership as anyone else. THE PROBLEM is that Umar (one of Mohammed's guys) invaded and stole the land in 634, so Allah told Mohammed it's Sharia forever, no infidels allowed. Especially not Jews, according to Holy Books.
Lol, they're descended from the Hasmoneans. Keep your tropes within your bubble of ignoramuses.
This idea has already been debunked by genomic and historical research. Ashkenazis have genetic origins in the Levant. Historical records in Europe also provide ample evidence that they traveled from the eastern Mediterranean after expulsion to the Italian peninsula then traveled north into the medieval German kingdoms.
If you aren't a historian, then stop this nonsense of spreading incredibly outdated false information. It's either dishonest or irresponsible.
*Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture*
Prof. Haber et.al. Beirut, Lebanon.
Author’s summary:
" In particular, conversion of the region's populations to Islam appears to have introduced major rearrangements in populations' relations through admixture with culturally similar but geographically remote populations, leading to genetic similarities between remarkably distant populations like Jordanians, Moroccans, and Yemenis. Conversely, other populations, like Christians and Druze, became genetically isolated in the new cultural environment.
*We reconstructed the genetic structure of the Levantines and found that a pre-Islamic invasions Levant was more genetically similar to Europeans than to other Middle Easterners."*
Not all Jews are Ashkenaz. Cry😭😭😭
Read Merchant of Venice