Skip the Duramax? Gas V8 Towing With 2024 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD!
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- Опубликовано: 17 июн 2024
- Choosing the Duramax diesel on the 2024 Chevy Silverado 2500 adds over $9k to the price. For 2024, #Chevy paired their 6.6L gas V8 to the GM/Alison 10-speed automatic transmission, replacing last year's 6-speed. Does that make the updated 2024 #silverado2500 HD gas V8 a better buy for #towing than before?
00:00 Hello! We're Towing With a 2024 Silverado 2500 LT
00:31 New Styling
01:19 6.6L Gas V8 + 10-Speed Alison
02:03 Z71 Package
02:57 What We're Towing
04:05 VIN-Specific Towing & Payload Decal!
04:53 Updated 2024 Interior Tour
06:17 Towing Tech in Touchscreen
08:43 Quick ZR2 Bison + Duramax Diesel Thoughts
09:42 Gas V8 Towing Thoughts
10:31 10-Speed Automatic is Good!
10:46 Suspension: Avoid Z71?
12:44 Silverado 2500 Heavy Steering
13:06 Brakes are Kenough
13:30 Lane Change Cameras
14:54 Gas V8 Hill Climb
16:03 The LT is a Good Trim Choice
16:59 That's All!
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Great video. Your comment "cheaper than a diesel" is spot on not only in the purchase price but maintenance costs.
I've been watching several videos on these trucks and I have to say your tone, and presentation are excellent. I should also say the information and opinions you present are great too. Thank you very much.
Glad you enjoyed!
2022 2500HD 6.6 L8T, stainless works long tube headers, AFE intake, mbrp 4” catback exhaust, and tuned with HP Tuners. This truck is an ANIMAL. 400+Rwhp
I have the 2024 . 6.6 with the Allison trans . So you could tell a big difference with doing the mods ? I’m debating doing a few things now just don’t wanna void my warranty
Crazy power
Thanks for including the payload capacity...yours is pretty nice!
Very nice in depth review
Thank you 🙂
Love my 2500 with the 6.6 gas and Allison. The Rancho shock were not good. Switched to Blistein 5100s and the truck rode and towed so much better.
Awesome video!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Glad I found this! One of the best videos and information on buying this truck. Thank you! Very professional video.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed!
I have a 2024 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD gas and love it. I have a crew cab and was able to get this in December 2023 for $52k at 5% interest. I'd buy another again if I needed to.
I find the LTZ trim is the sweet spot. I'm looking to upgrade to a 2500 from a 1500 LTZ and I'm sticking with that LTZ trim. It's got all the trailer and other technology without all the unnecessary fluff of the High Country.
I just drove a 3500 LT 6.6 gasser and was really impressed. I have a 2024 HC Duramax.
Great video. Regarding your comments on the suspension and to avoid the Z71 package, you also miss out on the Hill Descent Control ("HDC") if you don't take that Z71 package. Does the transmission still have grade braking without the HDC?
We had a 23 and now a 24. The 23 was totaled. I have personal experience towing about a 24’ enclosed race trailer, about 9k lbs. We love the 6.6 gas for towing! Plenty of power, trailer tires limit speed to 80mph. We actually liked the 6 speed and our mechanic explained that it was about half the price to replace. 10 speed is better. For the weekend tow guy it’s great. No dpf, no emissions issues, and 10k right off the sticker price at any trim.
Nice comparison between the two, thanks for the input! Glad the 2024 is treating you well.
Keep an eye on oil consumption we have a truck alot like that for work and when towing it has been over a quart low at times....after 20k miles it has seemed to have slowed down on the oil.
nice job
I have same truck as you do and same ride. What shocks and tires would you recommend in place of those ranchos and tires? Thank you
I bought a 2024 LT double cab, no Z71 pkg but a couple other convenience options $54,000 out the door. In NY diesel is $1 more per gallon and to make up that price difference at 3.5 mpg better (assuming you are towing 100%) you need to drive 80,000 miles(ish) and you still haven't paid the premium for the diesel upgrade. Oh and the 10 speed is a dream even over the 8 I had before. I vote gas.
Same truck as us... Black Lt with the z71 and a couple other packages. We go 54K out the door as well.
Great video, thanks for explaining why Z71/Rancho isn’t the best configuration for towing. Just ordered a month ago a Sierra 2500HD gaz version to tow a 7500 pounds camping trailer with standard suspension assuming that the off road version would be to soft for towing.
Glad you enjoyed - your build should be much better for towing!
He has a weight distribution tow hitch w/o the bars connected. If he had the WDH properly set up with the bars the weight from the back of the axel and the trailer would be distributed to the front axel. That evening of the load to the front axel is supposed to help with the porpoising that he was explaining he felt.
@@anomof Given the trailer's weight (about 7k lbs) it's not necessary to be using weight distribution on the 2500. Generally not recommended until you're above 50% of the tow vehicle's capacity.
You can get the updated headlights with the LT WITH THE z71 sport edition package
Also the midnight edition
I've towed a 5000 lb enclosed trailer from MD to motorcycle track days at VIR, Summit, NCBike (Gary, NC), and (once a year) to JenningsGP in FL. I had a Ford EcoBoost turbocharged V6 and traded it for a Silverado 1500 with a 5.3 V8. Whereas the EcoBoost would turn about 2000 rpm or less on the interstate, the 5.3 would often rev over 3000 even on small grades. On the 13 hour trip to Jennings the high revs were fatiguing. Gas mileage between the EcoBoost and the 5.3 was similar 11-12 mpg towing at 65-70 mph. Now given a choice, I would choose a turbo engine over a NA engine for towing.
The 3.5L Ford EcoBoost is a fantastic towing engine! It pulls like a freight train. GM's 5.3L gasser is, by comparison, pretty gutless. We had a fine but not great time towing with one in a Yukon AT4 - the 6.2L is far better.
In the case of this 2500, the 6.6L makes enough power/torque and has enough gears with the 10-speed to do a pretty good job. The turbodiesel would be more effortless, of course, but it adds a LOT of cost to buy in and maintain.
I always pull 22-24k pounds with my 09 duramax with absolutely 0 issues, my 07 same thing. No braking issues or heating issues, these trucks can pull well above what the manufacturer tells you that you can. I don’t know much about the gasser though, I certainly wouldn’t pull what I do with a gas job. My 09 is also deleted and has a tune that changes the transmission shift points so that might make a big difference as well
Just because you can tow/carry above rated limits doesn't mean you should - largely due to liability in a crash. But glad to hear you can be that severely overloaded and have it hold up.
Thats not even crazy frankly. A 30' plus rv youll wt gross 25000. Most people i know with duramax use them for towing. Mine is 30k gross all the time. Its even licensed for such wt.
I see a 2024 towing capacity is 22000. Plus truck thats apx 28000 gvw correct?
Really interested in the 6.6 gas. Good simple video
Nice truck..
Diesel is fine.... Thank you very much
Do you prefer the HD gasser over the F150 powerboost? I tow my 24ft race traler with my 22 F150 powerboost. And i really dislike how the 10speed works with the ecoboost versus the older 6spped ecpbost i had. PS I Really agree with all your comments and dislike about off-road setup for a highway tow rig.
Hmm the Ford PowerBoost/EcoBoost trucks are SO good as tow vehicles (to me) but I have heard some complaints about the 10-speeds. Most that I heard were earlier on when that transmission came out in 2018 and were resolved with software updates. Either way, 10 gears is a lot to use so in both the F-150 and this Silverado 2500, they'll be shifting frequently for power and economy both.
This 6.6L gasser did really well with my trailer but having forced induction is really nice and I lean toward preferring it given the option.
Do dealers even stock non offroad models? I feel like every truck I see on the road these days has that type of package. I do agree that these types of trucks are typically used for crushing highway miles so makes sense to target a trim that tries to best exploit that.
Those tires are not part of the z71 package, I have Z71 with 18s and normal Michelin tires. Drives and tows nice
I had to special order the WT trim. Chevy just wants to sell z71, and Highcountry trims to rich boomers for $90-$100k😮
Does it have the sticker in the glove box that states the truck should not be used for carrying a slide in camper?
No, it doesn't have such a prohibition. I have a 24 LT Z71 6.6 gas. In fact, the gassers actually have more payload due to the lighter engine. My payload is 3,550 lbs. You're not getting that in a diesel 2500; you'd have to go to a 3500. That's said the gassers, payload-wise are rated higher, lending it to be better suited for truck campers. Clearly, there are advantages going with a diesel, but as I tow my 10k lb. fifth wheel, I have to keep reminding myself that I'm towing. It's just a great truck to operate, towing or otherwise, and without the upcharge, the DEF and higher fuel costs. Sure, the fuel economy isn't as good as a diesel, but I can make that up with all those factors I mentioned.
If you want a cdl for heavy towing then get diesel and 5500 dually
The allison gas is not cheap in New Zealand bucks, about $170,000 NZD for the Z71 premium. And diesel here is even more expensive based on road user charges (RUC)...
When I ordered my 2024 LT I got basically every option and it turned out going from a 2500 to a 3500 was only $800 more. I have 4k payload on mine. Tow a 9k toy hauler with ease.
Yeah, it's not that expensive to go 2500 --> 3500, but your unloaded ride will suffer a bit. So really depends how you're going to be using the truck day to day and if you're towing/hauling more than driving unloaded.
@OutMotorsports I don't really notice much, my friend has a HC 2500 Z71 and they drive about the same. I upgraded in case I ever needed it in the future I keep upgrading trucks because I run out of capacity. Thanks for the video.
The extra spring bars on the rear axel only come into play when the load is heavy enough to lower the bed down onto the bars. So during normal driving with an little to no load (don't know the exact weight when the extra load bars come into use) the ride is the same. Plus I took test drives in both trucks to be sure!
@anomof I agree, I also got the standard 18s with big fat tires so the ride is maybe a little better than a friend's 2500 high country.
@@anomof
I wonder if you can just get the extra bars aftermarket?
Can get the led lights in a LT. Does force a couple packages though.
I just saw a 2024 LT with LED headlights. The package on this truck that includes the LED headlights I believe was the midnight edition. Not sure if LED headlights can be ordered as a stand-alone option.
Can’t i tried, now you either get midnight or z71 sport for the Lt trim
@breth.8667 midnight package was on constraint when I order late June heard they weren't doing a ton of them
Replace the bulbs with H11 led lights. H11 fit in both high and low beam. I have a 24 LT and came across the info on RUclips.
You can retrofit LEDs on any vehicle
Call gale banks , he’ll fix the gap between gas and diesel
Did you tow the same load with a non z71 to compare?
Not yet! If Chevy can send one our way, we will.
@@OutMotorsports the springs seem to be the same unless you get a snow plow prep package. Hard to believe shocks make that much difference.
I call it Po Go Stick suspension
Will a cold air intake and cat back void my warranty? I have the 2024 6.6 /10speed …
Have to ask, you getting leaking in that sliding back window?
We only had the truck for a week and it seemed fine then.
I started locking my transmission in 7th gear because of it shifting hard from 7th to 8th and constantly hunting gears when towing my camper. Anyone else do this?
Can't say I experienced it while towing this trailer in the video, but if you notice frequent hunting between two gears, what you're doing is smartest. My personal Cayenne does it with this trailer - 7th and 8th on it are generally too tall unless you're on a perfectly flat highway. No big deal.
@@OutMotorsports thanks
A Lot of problems with the 8 and 10 speeds !!!! I Thought they scraped the 10 speed in the the camaro and there trucks ??
Anyone else wondering why towing mpg was omitted??????????/
It got about 8.5-9 on a pretty mountainous 500-mile route.
People think they need diesel to tow a john boat it's hilarious
What is your mpg towing with gas? You can put up to 500k miles on a diesel. No way gas will make it that long. But you’re right, if you don’t tow much and are only going to keep the truck a few years gas is cheaper to own.
Ur not getting 500k miles out of a new diesel with out some kind of major repair those days are gone because of the emissions ur lucky to make it to 100k without some kind of failure. Fuel mileage is not that much better maybe 2,3 mpg. Plus the extra $10000 plus and the service cost way more plus the def fuild they use. If ur pulling 20k lbs every week than buy a diesel.
@@bigmurph1447oh no doubt there will be emission issues. But the engine can last 500k miles and that includes the transmission. But yes, emissions, oil cooler, steering gear box, etc…may give you headaches. But those repairs are far cheaper than buying a new 60k gas truck every three years.
@@jayb7675 the sad thing is the new diesels 90% of them will never see 500k miles because there made cheap. The avg preson puts 10000miles a year on there truck. Plus if u live in the salt belt like I do. 10 years most vehicles are shot. So u got to buy a new vehicle regardless. Buying a $60000 gas truck every ten years is cheaper than buying a $80000 plus diesel. Plus most gas engines can run 250000 miles with out issues if maintained and on heavy-duty trucks ford and gm use the same transmission as in the diesels. Powerstroke diesel are junk they won't make it 500000 or the duramaxs won't make it either. Cummins idk about either anymore they started making them cheap to. I have a 96 dodge cummins with 500000miles on it took almost 30years to get that miles on it.
@@bigmurph1447my 2013 Duramax was 10yrs old with 220k miles. Most put at least 200k miles in 10yrs. Bought the 2013 for 45k and sold it 10yrs later with 220k for $20k. So it cost me $25k for a 10yr 220k mile truck. Diesels cost more but they also sell for more. New gov regulations have an 8yr 80k mile warranty on the exhaust components so a lot more warranty protection than the old trucks. I do worry with so many cameras, multi-folding tail gates, etc..there will be problems. But my 2024 blows my 2013 out of the water as far as features and ride quality.
@@jayb7675 I work on diesel everyday as a job all of these diesels are junk in my opinion. I have own a bunch of diesels myself all pre def trucks the last diesel I bought new was a 2012 3500 dually ram with a 6speed manual I sold it this year for $40000. I bought a new 2024 3500 chevy with the 6.6 gas. I am blown away how well it works. I had 18000lbs behind it and was shock how well it did. Plus warranty doesn't mean anything. If ur dpf plugs up and needs replace or clean warranty will not cover it unless there's a part that failed that caused it to plug.
Install a Whipple super charger
The bottom line is that it’s your money, do whatever you want with it. Most of us will never max out the capabilities of these trucks. If you have the money and want a DMAX, go for it. If you don’t have the money and still want a big bad truck, go with the gasser. Some people just have so much money that they just don’t care, they would just buy a High Country HD with the DMAX just to drive around town!!! who cares !!!!
Diesels are for 2 types of people. People that do a lot driving or towing. If you’re not driving at least 50 miles daily, don’t get a diesel. It’s bad for the motor. It’s clogs with soot. Or obviously your towing. I’ve towed trailers across the country and for mpg diesel is always the best. These Gas engines on these trucks are more than enough to get around town. Even for towing if you’re not doing a lot of it. Don’t get why people knock them down so much.
Yeah, it's just a math problem to solve. Cost of buy-in, maintenance, fuel vs MPG and miles driven per year.
Next time you are talking about the engine noise in the powerband, please stop talking so I can hear it.
Since 2019 the transmissions haven’t been near as good as when it was an actual allison transmission. I will never buy a newer than 2019 gm heavy duty truck until they get their transmissions figured out. 6spd is much better than that new 10spd
Source?
GM has owned Alison for a long time LOL
Ya gotta love comments by fan boys of any given product. If someone did a video on polishing their brass monkey, there would be “experts” deriding their choice of polish. 🤦🏻♂️
That’s human nature.😂
$64k not crazy??
Compared to a loaded model... not at all. Could easily be an $80k+ High Country! And if you adjust a 2002 Silverado 2500 LT for inflation, it comes in at $63,193 so LT-vs-LT are still about the same... and this one's far nicer with more features.
Be upset that wages haven't kept pace more than anything!
The front end is so ugly !! But nice truck otherwise. Thanks for the video.
I disagree with that. Every company needs to do there own thing and stop copying with the gmc does since that they don't like each other
Modern isnt always the best . It isnt bad for you cats who can afford to get new vehicles after the warranty end. But for us blue collar workers who don't make 6+ figures 1 we need a vehicle that's dead reliable for many years. Those electric screens are gonna crap out after 10 years and it'll cost an arm and a leg to fix.
Is he stupid ? How could swapping the motor change the whole feeling of the truck? Get your pencil out figure cost per mile . I have on many trucks and the diesels of any brand in the last 10 years are not worth it. Now if you want all out power bolt a supercharger on the 400 gas , 1/2 cost of the diesel and as much fun
I dont care what any review says. I bought a 2022 HD gas and, after towing twice, traded it for a 2022 HD diesel. Trust me, people, if you are pulling over 7k, go with the diesel. And...7k is pushing it. The gas is crap. Handling, power, and fuel mileage all bad. With the diesel, I'm pulling 13k now compared to the 9k I was pulling with the gas. The gas=7.5mpg pulling 9k. The diesel=10.8 with 13k. Plus, power and handing/stability 10 times better.
25 years gas trucks ,van,rvs, bought DMAX 15 years ago. Never going back
Everything you just said it false. Start painting your face 🤡
Yes if you tow all the time get a diesel. I tow maybe once every other month so the gas is perfect for me.
You mustve got a friday afternoon build. They are not rocket ships but they flat out work. No cylinders deactivating, no start/stop, and from a diesel comparison no DEF and dpf issues. They use fuel but any v8 will. The diesels are great and have their place but the gas does as well. Its a great middle ground between a 1500 and duramax.
How does a diesel engine make handling and stability ten times better than that of the same gasoline-powered truck?