Biggest Winners & Losers of Honkai Star Rail 2.2 (Gamestate Meta Changes)
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- We talk about the winners and losers based on 2 big changes - FUA enabler Robin and the free HTB. How they affect the gamestate and meta
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I think if you put the X Y axis in the bottom left corner, and just had one character on top (say Robin) and the other character all the way on the right (HMC), you could then place the characters anywhere in the field based on how impacted by each character they are. The only value in the negative space in the bottom left would be to put characters that weren't impacted, or aren't viable. But you just left them off the grid anyway, so it didn't really matter.
As far as the info itself, I actually think Ratio and Topaz gained more from HMC than it seemed like they should have. Ratio doesn't mind the super breaks, but really Topaz getting Numby cycled via the team follow-ups leads to a lot of decent super break chunks. There was also an MoC floor with Fire AND Imaginary weakness (I don't remember which one off hand) but I used those 3 together and it worked well. Not saying it should be meta or anything, but it wasn't bad at all.
That said, good video! I like the idea of the format.
Silver wolf should be higher. She can implant weakness to help break toughness, has def down which makes breaks stronger, and most SW only build BE for dmg (instead of crit).
please do a Firefly vs Boothill in term of value and longevity for the brake team. Who will be the main ingredient of the brake team like a Kafka for DOT and a Topaz for FUA team.
Neither, they’re both DPS. The Kafka of break is Harmony Trailblazer. HTB enables break teams with super break just like how Kafka enables DoT by triggering them early, Boothill and Firefly are more like Black Swan, they’re made to fit into the team as the “DPS” and increase the damage output of the team compared to a 4 star but they can be easily power crept or replaced like any DPS.
My relic luck is so good that with HMC my Jing Yuan is dealing way more damage than before. And I didn't touch his relics. Yeah. 😂
To be fair JYs LL is amazing with HMC bc super break scales with toughness dmg and JYs LL toughness depletion is one of its best parts. Making a fast JY with this team is the best part imo maybe with ERR rope too
As a F2P, I was a bit underwhelmed by Robin’s performance(Dr. Ratio & Topaz owner). I still can’t believe how good Ruan mei is. she’s even getting better with each update.
As a low spender I'm in the same spot. I got her on accident, and built her out, slapped her on my topaz, aventurine and ratio team... Yeah super underwhelmed. Shes ok I guess, maybe 15% better than Tingyun who she replaced. Losing that Ruan Mei 50/50 will haunt me for so long...
@@KakavashaForever i lost my 50 50 to her as well and just lost my 50 50 for robin to a now e1 bronya which was a blessing in disguise cuz i saw in leaks that ruan mei will be rerunning in 2.3 so im saving my guranthee for her so just a heads up if u want her
If your Robin is only a little better than Tingyun in RAT with Aventurine you're doing something very wrong. Possibly your Topaz is underbuilt and not taking full advantage of the teamwide buff? Or you're misusing/undervaluing the team advance.
@@marshallwhite202Ruan mei rerun? Didn’t know. I’m planning on picking up LC or E1. Any recommendations?
@@marshallwhite202 Thank you, appreciate it. Yes I also have E3 Bronya, and if I keep losing 50/50 I think soon she will be E6 lol.
I have the FUA team, Topaz, Ratio, Aventurine and didn't get Robin because I believe Ruan Mei is just as good as Robin in this team. They have different benefits, but I didn't feel like pulling for Robin, LC, and grind more speed relics for all my chars, just to clear 1 cycle faster.
Same here felt like doing this MOC without Robin with that FUA team was the deciding factor for me in whether I would skip Robin and now I can just save for next patch with Firefly.
She's not just as good on fua, but that's just being pedantic. Point is you're cooking MoC already and happy with your set up rn right? Then you're Gucci. Plus if you ever have a reason to want robin in the future, you have the event LC that's tailor-made for her anyway. Just keep cooking with rm, especially since im assuming your other team doesn't need rm (like acheron for example)
Same as you, but I did go for robin because I wanted my mei free for other team comps.
This is the way. If you're already clearing everything just save until you can't clear anymore/start investing in eidolons for the teams you already have. I dont use FuA but my dot and acheron teams are clearing everything just fine even with element mismatches
For now im using hmc on the fua team and its a great alternative for me im enjoying it
I don't quite get how Robin affected Ruan Mei negatively. I though break teams were trying to hog Ruan Mei so Robin relieved that pressure by being an amazing substitute and Ruan Mei can go to her well synergized break teams
I guess Mei being under the line means she isn’t benefiting directly in a team with robin
Both are good, and both are universal. Robin affected Ruan Mei in terms of having a competition and performing her niche.
Before, we only had 1 limited universal buffer, but now there is 2.
View it like this, you can only pull for one you will be conflicted and pick the niche better suited for you, do you want break efficiency or a buffer for FUA.
Again, both are good but having 2 highlighted their niche.
I don't get it either, they obviously have their own niche in the game and both of their niches are really viable too. So I really can't understand why people are dunking on Ruan Mei, they can both exist and be the best within a style of game play.
@@ittobeingamoodrobin isn't a universal support💀
@@Ezio15147 Are you serious? Did you even watch the video or have played Robin? Lol.
Hey I love the content as always, but I think the formatting would be a little less awkward if the character lists were offscreen so there would be a lot more room for the actual graph
Robin's team advance move is such a life changer for me MoC was so much easier with her I LOVE HER A LOT
I never knew I wanted a magic quadrant analysis of HSR characters, but now that I’ve seen it, I love it
Thanks for the video! I appreciate the analysis and perspectives you provide ❤ top quality content
Good video but I think you left out a bit of your own point from the Robin video. The frequency/fast attackers really benefit from both because they get more attacks in under either Robin ultimate or Harmony MC breaks. Follow-up attacks are just a specific form of more frequent attacks.
Do follow up attacks take advantage of super break?
I think Boothill is changing a lot the meta, because he can silver wolf his element, And i think that will play a key role in the meta, since as well, You would not bealive your eyes...
he is literally acheron tier its unreal w 3 star lc
@@deanthelemur1716 Also now he has 2 new supports just for him. So goat hill will go crazy
@@deanthelemur1716 which lc was it?
Topaz with Robin and Ruan at the same team is insane I tried so many times to play Topaz as the only DPS but failed this time with Robin it did work and it's so strong combo
I love this format
175 spd Sparkle is insane paired with Bronya. It's just always your turn for a hypercarry like Acheron. Just ult spam and everything is dead. Just add Robin for more of your turn.
"Size doesn't matter, uh, that's what she said" for march 7th GOT ME LAUGHING OUT LOUD
Nice video, but the axis labels all being at the center is confusing.
I think for these kind of comparisons it'd be easier to understand if Winner/Loser is labelled at the ends of the Y-axis, and the FuA/Break would be on the X-Axis.
Up/down is easy to understand good/bad, while left/right is more neutral.
The way it was shown makes it seem like FuA is better while Break is just neutral.
It may be worth just hiding all the character icons until you interact with them. It's only going to get more cluttered as the roster grows.
rip fire mc got shafted
I was right to pull Topaz and her LC since her first arrival.
My bet on FUA meta has paid off.
Not the that’s what she said joke😂😂😂 6:43
If I have aventurine,robin,ratio, would it be worth to get topaz to finish that team or wait for firefly assuming break dmg is gunna be the next meta (I don’t have Ruan mei)
I think you should go for Topaz. You already have other FUA units and Topaz works really well with them. Robin is flexable enough that she can be used to substitute Ruan Mei, but of course, Ruan Mei is very good unit too.
I’m vouching for Topaz if you like to use Aventurine. He needs team mates that do frequent FUA (or enemies that hit the whole team all the time) so he can do his own FUA, replenish shields, and ult for the crit damage debuff on enemies.
If you feel like your Aventurine should do more FUAs to better sustain, deal damage, or maintain debuff uptime then another FUA character might be good. Topaz can implant her own debuffs as well to make FUAs more effective, esp with her lightcone iirc.
Check out her kit and how much you’re willing to spend to gauge if she’s worth it. People have different opinions on what eidolons and lightcones she needs to be good. I personally have E0S1 and it’s been pretty fun so far.
@@SleepEludesMe647 after some consideration (because I don’t have ruan mei) I’ll be trying to pick up topaz forsure even if not e1s1, preciate the response
if i only can get 1 5 star for robin and topaz for FUA which one do i pull.
Asta has gained lotsa benefit from HMC ! 😀
Haven't tested her, but yes, her high break efficiency and speed buffs should be really good with HMC. And I think she will get another good boost next patch, once Firefly releases. These two should have really nice synergies.
Got Robin in only 20 wish or she's a massive letdown. Would have been my most disappointing pull besides SW otherwise, except SW can do one thing that nobody else does. Robin is poor man's Ruan Mei
Well my e2 Seele benefited quite bit from robin. Robin competes with my silverwolf slot
That's the only thing I don't like about Robin because I like Silverwolf a lot
@@donnyv4750 I think it's just the harmony thing that ud prefer harmony over nihility. Unless ur playing her to break something off element. Yes I do have love hate relationship with silverwolf when I play dual typing
@@Gency_Ow I don't really have a preference if it's harmony or nihility taking up the last team spot. It just depends on the DPS. I prefer Seele with a 1 Harmony, 1 nihility set up vs Jingliu who I prefer double harmony. But it just comes down to what enemies I'm facing and the MOC buff. Like MOC the extra turn Robin gives imo is more useful than SW debuffs. But last moc I prefer Silverwolf bc she could help stack the moc imprint bc Robin low-key stole my kills (so no resurgence), and be because you have to break the dino
@@donnyv4750 ah yea the dino I preferred silverwolf on that comp coz I needed a breaker. Yes I have experience robin stealing Seeles kills. It's funny ngl
So much fun with fua team, need some investment tho….
There is a caveat with your explanation, and it is that even though BE works different regarding the different elements, Superbreak effect does not use this multiplier. That means that the only important aspect is the net amount of BE and the toughness reduction of the attack you're using. Just for keeping that in mind
What does "stonks" mean?
it means very good/gained a lot of value from this patch. opposite of kek
most confusing x/y axis I have ever seen
getting enough characters they can start thinking about having 3 party MOC
Wait at least 2-3 more patches. I still need more characters😂
Yessir I’m alr ready as well, would be so good if they did that with more rewards for completion, I want to play more teams fr
@@Daxtroy yeah, just saying with the release schedule of characters, were gonna have A LOT of characters soon enough, assuming they keep releasing 4 stars as well
That will be a boon for older players. A nightmare for newer ones. It's gonna be hard to balance things out if they try to implement that. That's why adding new game modes is better than just straight up requiring more teams for already existing game modes.
@@Gesfalthe true but Honkai is already leaning more towards end game with the team reqs and slowly reducing the turn counts
How did Genshin content creators overhype Robin so much? It's suspicious
🤔🤔
I have no interest in break teams at all, and my Robin is e1 so Ruan Mei is pretty much a downgrade for me.
Robin e1 would still be great in break team bc of her res pen
nah, the "Kan't event Kompete" is too funny 💀💀
lol
I like the concept of the format. I think the axis could be arranged better like X-Axis (How much 2.2 helped them): Kek to Stonks. Y-Axis (feature axis): FUA to Break
I spent a good month pre-farming the pioneer set domain, so I have much of the new break effect set. It worked out well, and now my Harmony MC is pretty nasty.
waiting for ruan mei rerun
Same dude, I want to get her Eidolons
probably soon in 2.3 or at most 2.4
Definitely next patch 😔 I accidentally got Robin while trying to pull for xueyi
I wasn't going to get Ruan Mei but these new bosses and enemies are becoming very annoying to fight without breaking. It's starting to make me reconsider.
Himeko is nuts with HMC and Ruan Mei. Completely game changing. Add Gallagher and you got the best fire break team imho.
hold on, i am trying to understand the graph
Maybe this is a bad/stupid idea. But since you are already experimenting with this new format, maybe the same can be done for Light Cones? Obvious example: Indelible Promise is a Light Cone that many people definitly should want and go for, because of the release of Harmony Trailblazer. And maybe there are other LC's that are in a similiar position?
You might want to make a poll, whether the people are interested in this.
Another thing that I find odd/interesting, is the fact that Fire MC has gone down in value. And this is strange/odd because we (as a community) were of the opinion that with Acheron his relevance has risen. It might now be the case that people are looking for ways to substitute the Fire-MC with other characters. And that might be another topic, which walks in the footsteps of your recent Ruan Mei video: What are the alternatives for Fire-MC now that we have the Harmony MC?
18:07 I lost my 50/50 to E1 Himeko (but still had enough saved to get the guaranteed Robin) and also got her signature light cone after just 10 pulls on Topaz’s lc banner. and then I got the signature just 20 pulls after that.
so this is the game’s way of telling me to invest more into my Himeko and use her with Robin to absolutely dominate Fire-weak stages in Pure Fiction. I’m still going to build Ratio and use the IPC FUA team, but it’s nice to have AoE options that can slot in. Aventurine already has that covered along with sustain, and with Jade coming as a rumored FUA support/sub DPS like Topaz but AoE focused, it seems like an alternative version of the IPC FUA team of Aventurine/Robin/Jade/Himeko will come about for AoE scenarios. at least until we get our first dedicated AoE FUA main DPS (JY doesn’t really count) that will inevitably powercreep Himeko.
I will say luka did get stronger especially when they release boothill, if you don't have Ruan mei luka can definitely help boothill break his taunted target's weakness a lot faster and because superbreak also scales with toughness break value, luka can reach amount of dmg of over 100k on a single target with super break contributing a significant dmg to the team and helping boothill clear targets faster one at a time
Hsr Devs -Ahh yes lets buff the best harmony even more its straight up 50% damage increase for super break using ruan mei without including break delay , break effect, res pen nice 🙃
Didn't all the DoT characters benefit from Robin? I know she is slightly worse than Ruan Mei on that spot, but not everyone has her
The only thing I still use Physical MC for tbh is the team heal technique in G&G runs
that's actually funny how aventurine being a renown gambling addict who hasn't lost even once, gained a lot in both break and fua categories
You can even go triple harmony with him and turn Aventurine into Imaginary dps.
What is the song used in the video?
Its part of a premium paid package from a music subscription company. Don’t think it’s found on Spotify…
That's fine, I don't have Spotify, and I'd be willing to buy since I plan on making stuff again and would probs get good value out of the pack myself
I think the kek region is pointless in your chart since its practically the same as not talking about the character you should move the 0,0 section to the bottom left corner so you have more space to work with when placing characters. If you want to make a distinction between not benefiting and not talking about the character, you can probably just use up some space on the left or right of the chart but not on it for that.
This version did not much harm to most characters on both axis. In future, likely will we will see more units in this category.
@@EODGamerSGBut for that, you have to look at all the aspects of new patches. Here you're only looking how the new characters give benefits to other characters. And I don't think any character apart from Trailblazer will ever actually get worse. They might not get any benefits from new characters, but they will always be as strong as before. So no character should ever end on the losing side.
Clara doesn't really tkae advantage from HMC ... Sadly
Yeah she’s no breaker. That normally happens accidentally.
😢
@@usmansubhani7482 well, robin actually elevate her DPS