hard agree, loving the arguments being made, also absolutely comical that this led to "i legitimately think landorus is worse than something else on the screen" and it was debatably true
@@IngasPingas14 I mean it's kind of fun, the only two things to consider when all pokemon can have any ability, pretty much, is their movepool and their stats (typing is also technically important, but that both feeds into the other two categories and has been proven to being irrelevant if the other attributes are good enough, like how Volcarona has terrible typing but a great movepool to offset this problem,) it also opens up interesting options for strong pokemon to sneak their way in because of a baby. This one was definitely a lot more interesting, but the lowest BST one was a good starting point for the concept
@ well no because some pokemon are min maxed better than others and have access to different move pools so just going with the lowest stats isn’t very creative or fun.
@@taylorjames14 that Crabominable should've been killed by Sinistcha, Luke was just trolling clicking Matcha Gotcha on the steel tera honestly, it can be really strong on a good pokemon, Crabominable is not one of those tho (they could also just draft Unaware) :D
@@memebigboy7042 Unaware was most definetely not banned, and it doesn't ruin anything, it just allow a single pokemon to ignore setup, what do you even mean :DD They just ban Huge Power and Wonder Guard usually.
I would rather fight a Landorus than a fur coat Blissey. ... Saying Rhyperior is better than the Pokemon whose signature move is basically giga drain _and_ scald _and_ surf wrapped into one grass move, however, is malarkey. In fact, the Charizard having desolate land makes Rhyperior much worse, because desolate land means instant solar beam, which means one very dead Rhyperior.
Actually an interesting point is that Luke knowing about Desolate Land makes Rhyperior that much better. It's just a snap Sap Sipper pick, meaning that Shady would need to deal with Rhyperior in some other way, and the desolate land means Tera Water isn't an option to do that.
@@matesk.4945 What, so you can kill the Charizard and set up rain... ... Which boosts water moves, which Rhyperior is also double-weak to? The Rhyperior was the "worse" choice.
I think Shady is a really fair man for letting Luke take back his decision with Blissey, because he's right, in that context, Blissey is absolutely disgusting.
I like that you discussed everything during the starter picks and ability drafts, instead of silently/privately making plans based on lowest BST. The strategies started early!
Fur Coat Blissey is just one tier below Dussey, so it's obviously the better mon. And I also love the format of this video, would love to see more of it, definitely.
sad no one thinks of attract strats when luvdisc comes up. still proud of my shiny girl luvdisc making someone ragequit in ranked doubles with one against an all-male team with thundurus and urshifu. they kept failing the coinflip to attack and would have to switch to remove it and lose their buffs in the process.
11:12 grass type slandee is crazy.. Bro its one of best types, vgc has been dominated by amonguss, rillaboom, whimsicott & in reg h jumpluff also just won a international tournament, venasaur is another one of best mon
I have a fun idea for a challenge. Could y’all please catch eight Pokemon of your choice that all have random abilities. Both of you also get to pick out the move sets after catching the Pokemon. Once you both acquire teams, read off each of your team members’ Pokedex entries. If the one being read to correctly identifies a Pokemon entry, he gets the option to force a trade without knowing the moveset of the identified Pokemon. The player who gets the identity correct is also able to pick out a custom ability for the traded Pokemon. Sabotaging some of your own team members is legal. Let’s say that the two leftover Pokemon with easy Pokédex entries are physical attackers like Machamp. You can rigg the entire moveset to be special or support moves. The Pokemon can’t be pseudo legends, legends, paradox, ultra beast, mythical or, starters to make it a bit more challenging.
That Lando/Blissey round is tough. The power of Fur Coat Blissey is undeniable, but a Lando-T with aerilate could do heavy damage with Double Edge and Explosion
LOVE your videos so much and look forward to them every Sunday! Love the people you collab with and makes me laugh everytime! Hope you keep doing what you do! 😄
Things Shady forgot on one turn: - Lando is scarfed - Charizard is Adamant, Lando is Jolly - Even if Charizard was Jolly, it still wouldn't have outsped because he hit himself with Toxic Thread, negating his DDance.
Video idea. Randomize three starters. You get to draft an ability for all of them. The other person knowing the pokemon and abilities you gave them chooses which combo you get. Do you they give you weak pokemon with strong abilities or strong pokemon with weak abilities.
One of the best videos. Totally agree with everyone else that the discussion about the worst Pokémon in context made this 10x better than other Choose the Worst Pokémon vids!
@@kodiedunn1234 no that's now how it is: Adamant Charizard +1 252 EVs is 228 speed Jolly Landorus +1 252 EVs is 235 speed there's only 9 base speed between them, nature will make the difference.
I have an idea for a video So your opponent chooses your starter, but if you get a shiny, then you can choose for yourself. With randomised abilties and maybe boosted shiny odds?
I used Crabominable on my original Moon team and I LOVE seeing my boy do some work, in one of the most toxic ways possible too. Seeing someone be afraid of him just made my day.
You should do one where you have to choose the weakest Pokémon and draft a Legendary whose stats (all of them) you’ll give to the weak Pokémon. Although, the weak Pokémon won’t evolve and will keep its regular ability, moveset and typing.
Crabominable with it's regular ability Iron Fist and using the move pool of Drain Punch, Ice Hammer, Power-up Punch and Thunder Punch could have been an really nice Pokémon with Choice Scarf.
I’d love to see another version of this concept where the first 3 picks for each person are just about the objective worst mon (lowest BST, bad moves, no evos, etc.). Then have the final 3 picks add on the team compositions of both sides so far. That way it’s limiting the manipulation your opponent can do against you with the “arguments.”
Amazing idea to move away from BST and consider everything when choosing the worst pokemon. The debates were top tier. And yes, Blissey would have been WAY too broken.
idea for a "then we fight", similar to this you pick a mon to give your opponent (dont tell them), then tell them the 2 you didnt take, then they can blindly choose its ability (drafted only 1 time like it was in this) will make for some wild ability/mon pairings and very interesting teams because you are trying to sabotage also Blissey>Lando
Video idea : every round, you pick a Pokémon for you and one for your opponent. The twist is that by seeing your reaction (but before any choice is made), the other player picks to either stay or reverse the Pokémon (so the Pokémon are swapped) BUT you only get a single swap.
Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites. I like your style. - Karen from Gold, Silver, and Crystal.
That stealth rock play was smart in theory but I don't get when making a play like that he wouldn't just check the speeds to make sure. It was pretty important one moved first so why not check.
Idea: choose your starter but you build each others teams and make the best version of each starter. Opponents don’t get to know what eachother chose until the start of the fight. Basically you build the best team (best pokemon on the screen) and then trade it to the opponent and then fight eachother without them knowing stats and moves blindly for the first game. (Basically you know what they have but you don’t know what you got). Then the second game, you actually trade the teams back to the ot and battle again. Extra twist: throw one illegal move or ability on one Pokémon each.
I'd say that ANY Blissey (in singles) confers more value to a team as a whole than the best. The main issue with Blissey is that it's trickier to pilot it and Lando-T is significantly easier to plug-and-play with insane role compression, but like a Shedinja, if you eliminate everything that threatens Blissey, it's an insta-win condition. Other mons can do what Landorus Therian does to some degree, and NO other mon is like Blissey even slightly.
How about: Choose your Starter by its trainer ? Like, look if the Pokemon is used by a trainer, gym leader, elite 4, random NPC who stands on the side of a road and only tell (maybe show with picture) the trainer from a game or anime or manga. And if a Pokemon wasn't used by a trainer, choose one standard-NPC-Trainer who would fit. Like Dottler could be used by a Bug Catcher.
Might be fun to do something like this where, instead of just giving any ability, you pick the mon on screen with lowest bst, an ability from the mon with the highest bst, and a move from the mon that's in between. In case of a tie, it's players choice
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Fur coat blissey with healing and respectable special attack is one of the most disgusting pokemon in existence
Dussy 2: Electric Boogaloo
@@jabber7604 if Bidoof is the true god pokemon, then Dussy is real Satan.
I hate the spoiler
@@DarkPikachuYTV Don't read comments before watching the video easy as that
@@thelleviathan6015I don’t scroll you’re on top bro
I like that you decided to debates on what'd be considered worse instead of doing BST
Agreed made it extremely interesting
hard agree, loving the arguments being made, also absolutely comical that this led to "i legitimately think landorus is worse than something else on the screen" and it was debatably true
i agree with this. Every time i see a “pick the worst pokémon” video and they just do lowest BST it’s never fun
@@IngasPingas14 I mean it's kind of fun, the only two things to consider when all pokemon can have any ability, pretty much, is their movepool and their stats (typing is also technically important, but that both feeds into the other two categories and has been proven to being irrelevant if the other attributes are good enough, like how Volcarona has terrible typing but a great movepool to offset this problem,) it also opens up interesting options for strong pokemon to sneak their way in because of a baby. This one was definitely a lot more interesting, but the lowest BST one was a good starting point for the concept
@ well no because some pokemon are min maxed better than others and have access to different move pools so just going with the lowest stats isn’t very creative or fun.
moody crabominable joining the hall of fame alongside well baked venomoth
We should just spam "crabominable" next time Luke six-oh's somebody and taunts them (/lh)
With Quiver dance and giga drain 😂
What video has the well baked venomoth i have hear of it but I have not seen it
@@santiagovalencia4787 I think it's the one with choosing the Pokemon with the highest base stats
@santiagovalencia4787 'choose your starter pokemon by ONLY knowing its highest base stat' video by shadypenguin.
"I'm negative 4 speed man, figure it out!" is such big brother energy I love these two
Moody HAS to be the most content-brained ability in the game. It's just pure comedy in the hands of these two.
Yeah but there's a reason it's normally banned in these videos 😂
@@taylorjames14 that Crabominable should've been killed by Sinistcha, Luke was just trolling clicking Matcha Gotcha on the steel tera honestly, it can be really strong on a good pokemon, Crabominable is not one of those tho (they could also just draft Unaware) :D
@@luigimanzelli3786 i assume unaware was banned in this video bc that would ruin the entire point of it.
@@memebigboy7042 Unaware was most definetely not banned, and it doesn't ruin anything, it just allow a single pokemon to ignore setup, what do you even mean :DD
They just ban Huge Power and Wonder Guard usually.
@@luigimanzelli3786 UR RIGHT I was thinking of Neutralizing Gas my fault
Dylan seeing Venomoth in his nightmares.
Luke seeing Crabominable 😂
Nah. Luke sees a stampede of random trash mons all with Moody.
I would rather fight a Landorus than a fur coat Blissey.
... Saying Rhyperior is better than the Pokemon whose signature move is basically giga drain _and_ scald _and_ surf wrapped into one grass move, however, is malarkey. In fact, the Charizard having desolate land makes Rhyperior much worse, because desolate land means instant solar beam, which means one very dead Rhyperior.
I agree with that but you can give Rhyperior sap sipper
Yeah should have taken Rhydon, every gen 9 Pokémon is probably better cause of the power creep 😂
Actually an interesting point is that Luke knowing about Desolate Land makes Rhyperior that much better. It's just a snap Sap Sipper pick, meaning that Shady would need to deal with Rhyperior in some other way, and the desolate land means Tera Water isn't an option to do that.
@@matesk.4945 What, so you can kill the Charizard and set up rain...
... Which boosts water moves, which Rhyperior is also double-weak to?
The Rhyperior was the "worse" choice.
Tera, Items, Ability, Rocks
Rhyperior would have done more work if Shady didn't throw like he was running shotput
I am kind of liking this way of deciding what pokemon are better or worse between yourselves instead of going for base stats
13:00 blissey any ability is better than landorous any ability even if you do water absorb lando he's still quad weak to ice
I liked the back forth of talking about team comps, moves, etc. When deciding the worst mon. Much better than just the lowest bst.
I,for my Part, think that: Blissey>Lando.
At least for this kind of ruleset and especially if it is played by the 🐧.
at least until he thunders himself or something
The editing on this video is so clean. Props to the person who editied it because you did a great job
The music going to jaunty comedy horns at the right moments, peak comedy 🤣
Yeah I really prefer it. No shade to anyone but the editing on Dylan's videos are a bit over done for my tastes
14:08 Dylan recently used Crabominable with adaptability, choice band, STAB mach punch and it was a MONSTER.
Lol I was gonna say I’m pretty sure someone just cooked with this guy recently
the debating part of this was actually really enjoyable
I think Shady is a really fair man for letting Luke take back his decision with Blissey, because he's right, in that context, Blissey is absolutely disgusting.
Fur Coat Blissey would have just been a roll credits moments.
“We’re brothers” so is Luke Dylan’s uncle
Correct!
Yessir
The lore deepens
Given the amount of times Dylan has hit on Luke it makes it messed up. 😅
@@aprilhippie8752Dylan is from the south so makes sense
Contrary would’ve been wild on that mon ice hammer, close combat, and superpower I think the ability it got was less broken tbh
That’s what u was thinking too! Everyone forgets the Contrary potential of Ice Hammer
Yeah dude it’s funny that they always talk about how few mons have contrary potential and completely skipped over possibly the best user of it
12:51 I Honestly believe that in this case Lando with water absorb and Tera blissey is still worse. But there are definitely arguments to be made.
ngl I love the lower tier pokemon battles. Gotta be so creative and just have fun!
I like that you discussed everything during the starter picks and ability drafts, instead of silently/privately making plans based on lowest BST. The strategies started early!
Opportunist feels like the perfect counter to moody
Fur Coat Blissey is just one tier below Dussey, so it's obviously the better mon. And I also love the format of this video, would love to see more of it, definitely.
"I'm not going to give Basculin Adaptability, it already gets it and that's boring... I'm going to give it Reckless instead." priceless
sad no one thinks of attract strats when luvdisc comes up. still proud of my shiny girl luvdisc making someone ragequit in ranked doubles with one against an all-male team with thundurus and urshifu. they kept failing the coinflip to attack and would have to switch to remove it and lose their buffs in the process.
29:40 That must be one of the worst misplays on one of the TWF videos, and I'm so happy it came from the Throwing professional that is ShadyPenguin
"I thought my Charizard would be faster."
Like he can't check his pokemons stats
I really enjoyed this one and the debates and new strategies that came from it!!! Thank you for making all of these!!!⭐
@35:20 when Luke war cries bc he knocked out Crabominible it sounds like his Regi’s cry lowkey 🤣
11:12 grass type slandee is crazy.. Bro its one of best types, vgc has been dominated by amonguss, rillaboom, whimsicott & in reg h jumpluff also just won a international tournament, venasaur is another one of best mon
There's a lot of good grass types but over all, the type is kind of dogwater. I mean just look at Wolfey's type tierlist for it.
this format is fire because the arguments for and against certain options is just really fun
4:20 Great day for Breloom fans. Called a better option than Charizard.
I have a fun idea for a challenge. Could y’all please catch eight Pokemon of your choice that all have random abilities. Both of you also get to pick out the move sets after catching the Pokemon. Once you both acquire teams, read off each of your team members’ Pokedex entries. If the one being read to correctly identifies a Pokemon entry, he gets the option to force a trade without knowing the moveset of the identified Pokemon. The player who gets the identity correct is also able to pick out a custom ability for the traded Pokemon. Sabotaging some of your own team members is legal. Let’s say that the two leftover Pokemon with easy Pokédex entries are physical attackers like Machamp. You can rigg the entire moveset to be special or support moves. The Pokemon can’t be pseudo legends, legends, paradox, ultra beast, mythical or, starters to make it a bit more challenging.
loved this video. so many laughs and then the stealth rock mis-play was WILD 🤣
That Lando/Blissey round is tough. The power of Fur Coat Blissey is undeniable, but a Lando-T with aerilate could do heavy damage with Double Edge and Explosion
LOVE your videos so much and look forward to them every Sunday! Love the people you collab with and makes me laugh everytime! Hope you keep doing what you do! 😄
I just love the "but hear me out" moments picking the mons
Love the brotherly rivalry these two have had for years. Blissey was definitely going to be harder to get through than Lando
That second battle may have been Shady’s biggest throw ever, of all time
YESSSS. This is an awesome way to pick. Straight Counter picking. This is cool.
I love that they added descriptors of the ability for those who dont dabble in competitive but love the entertainment value if these videos
Things Shady forgot on one turn:
- Lando is scarfed
- Charizard is Adamant, Lando is Jolly
- Even if Charizard was Jolly, it still wouldn't have outsped because he hit himself with Toxic Thread, negating his DDance.
That Rocks misplay was the universe balancing itself out after what happened that first game.
Video idea. Randomize three starters. You get to draft an ability for all of them. The other person knowing the pokemon and abilities you gave them chooses which combo you get. Do you they give you weak pokemon with strong abilities or strong pokemon with weak abilities.
One of the best videos. Totally agree with everyone else that the discussion about the worst Pokémon in context made this 10x better than other Choose the Worst Pokémon vids!
Blissey is so much better than Landorus with any ability.
Lmao this was one of the best this year. So much comedic shit and the concept with weak Mons and argue together about it is rly fun
That Magic Bounce stealth rock was hilarious
It's delayed payback for the Venomoth
I actually looked it up. The only way it didn't outspeed with the D dance is 0 ivs and 0 evs with landorus having max timid.
@@kodiedunn1234 no that's now how it is:
Adamant Charizard +1 252 EVs is 228 speed
Jolly Landorus +1 252 EVs is 235 speed
there's only 9 base speed between them, nature will make the difference.
@@kodiedunn1234as someone who uses Charizard religiously, that Landorus was outspeeding every time if they were built how you’d expect them to be.
Do more of these! The debating is fun!
Love ya vids brother. Especially love ones like this where the Highest BST isnt auto chosen
The back and forth on this is fun rather than just lowest bst
I have an idea for a video
So your opponent chooses your starter, but if you get a shiny, then you can choose for yourself. With randomised abilties and maybe boosted shiny odds?
9:02 Bottom 5 is generous
I used Crabominable on my original Moon team and I LOVE seeing my boy do some work, in one of the most toxic ways possible too. Seeing someone be afraid of him just made my day.
I love how Shady felt so bad about what he did in the first battle that he threw so hard in the second battle LMAO.
I loved how you did the back and forth to try to prove why1 thing is worse than the other on this one
I think Like and Shady are my favorite of all the combinations of the “then we fight” club and that means a lot since they are all awesome
I love the editing. Great video!
Love this!! The more uncommon mons I see, the happier I am. Very proud of Ariados for getting that KO!
I really like that the worst Pokemon was chosen based on every factor not just BST
You should do one where you have to choose the weakest Pokémon and draft a Legendary whose stats (all of them) you’ll give to the weak Pokémon. Although, the weak Pokémon won’t evolve and will keep its regular ability, moveset and typing.
Crabominable with it's regular ability Iron Fist and using the move pool of Drain Punch, Ice Hammer, Power-up Punch and Thunder Punch could have been an really nice Pokémon with Choice Scarf.
Genuinely, that first battle was one of the funniest set of situations
we love the subtle foreshadowing at 16:32
I’d love to see another version of this concept where the first 3 picks for each person are just about the objective worst mon (lowest BST, bad moves, no evos, etc.). Then have the final 3 picks add on the team compositions of both sides so far. That way it’s limiting the manipulation your opponent can do against you with the “arguments.”
So Luke got sweeped by a Crabominable, and Dylan got sweeped by a Venomoth.
This is why Shady is the Dad.
Amazing idea to move away from BST and consider everything when choosing the worst pokemon. The debates were top tier. And yes, Blissey would have been WAY too broken.
I really enjoy the discussion of what counts as worse, as opposed to just using base stats.
idea for a "then we fight", similar to this
you pick a mon to give your opponent (dont tell them), then tell them the 2 you didnt take, then they can blindly choose its ability (drafted only 1 time like it was in this)
will make for some wild ability/mon pairings and very interesting teams because you are trying to sabotage
also Blissey>Lando
Someone tell Luke and Shady that Basculin already has Reckless AND Adaptability. It’s way funny watching them debate while knowing that
5:10 matchageist 🤣
Easily of the BEST then we fights I’ve ever seen 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
This is such a good idea
That Blissy dodge was 100% the right call, that would have been a monster of annoying proportions
Video idea : every round, you pick a Pokémon for you and one for your opponent. The twist is that by seeing your reaction (but before any choice is made), the other player picks to either stay or reverse the Pokémon (so the Pokémon are swapped) BUT you only get a single swap.
Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites. I like your style. - Karen from Gold, Silver, and Crystal.
Do this again but only with good Pokemon. I'd love the debate. My favorite part of these videos is the debates and picking
Sooo Shady may not have forgotten about Magic Bounce, but he indeed forgot about his Ariados having prankster so it would always go first 🤦♂️
Ariados getting a KO is unprecedented. Crabominable sweeping with the triple moody attack boost was unhinged.
Shady not wanting to have Crabominable yet it ending up being his biggest threat 😂. Pretty much full sweep with just the crab
33:27 I never noticed how the pads on Crabominable's hands open up like mouths, and I'm not sure how I feel about it.
That stealth rock play was smart in theory but I don't get when making a play like that he wouldn't just check the speeds to make sure. It was pretty important one moved first so why not check.
I love the debate style videos when it comes to picking the worst mons. It's better than going by bst
Shady really cashed in his RNG karma, those Moody boosts have to be a "sorry" for his t wave luck.
Idea: choose your starter but you build each others teams and make the best version of each starter. Opponents don’t get to know what eachother chose until the start of the fight. Basically you build the best team (best pokemon on the screen) and then trade it to the opponent and then fight eachother without them knowing stats and moves blindly for the first game. (Basically you know what they have but you don’t know what you got). Then the second game, you actually trade the teams back to the ot and battle again.
Extra twist: throw one illegal move or ability on one Pokémon each.
I love when they disparage a Pokemon I enjoy, only to have it be great. Crabominable was a surprise MVP for my Moon version team.
"I wanted content" is the explanation for the stealth rocks
Yoooo congrats on 500k!!! This video's sub count POPPED!! 🎉🔥🔥
I'd say that ANY Blissey (in singles) confers more value to a team as a whole than the best. The main issue with Blissey is that it's trickier to pilot it and Lando-T is significantly easier to plug-and-play with insane role compression, but like a Shedinja, if you eliminate everything that threatens Blissey, it's an insta-win condition. Other mons can do what Landorus Therian does to some degree, and NO other mon is like Blissey even slightly.
I name all my Blissys in rad red Shady because of the penguins spiritual connection to that mon. 12:42
i do love how Delibird has become almost ShadyP's version of Venomoth
there are some insane takes on what is the worst of a round
How about: Choose your Starter by its trainer ? Like, look if the Pokemon is used by a trainer, gym leader, elite 4, random NPC who stands on the side of a road and only tell (maybe show with picture) the trainer from a game or anime or manga. And if a Pokemon wasn't used by a trainer, choose one standard-NPC-Trainer who would fit. Like Dottler could be used by a Bug Catcher.
Grats on 500k! Very well deserved
2:32 I thought shady was thinking water bubble lol
That double battle doesn't even qualify as a throw, that was a nuclear missile that Shady aimed at his own feet
Might be fun to do something like this where, instead of just giving any ability, you pick the mon on screen with lowest bst, an ability from the mon with the highest bst, and a move from the mon that's in between. In case of a tie, it's players choice
As soon as I saw Crabominable I screamed “Contrary” at my phone and was so sad seeing Shady miss the opportunity.
Usually I would not agree with Shady. BUT when Shady cooks with Blissey... Luke would not stand a chance.
I love Luke naming Poltchageist after an English tea brand and Shady not knowing it