Hi Cap, I think a video series about technical patch reviews could be quite popular. It seems like with the latest patch, a lot of stuff like audio and explosions have been improved, and a short video summary about these aspects of patches might interest viewers. :)
@Kirk Wolfe The thing is now the USA has the Raptors and what remains of the naval planes. What you would most likely see is one of two things. The USA Launch a counter strike on the Chineese carrier groups. They could use tactical bombers to reinforce the carrier attack groups. Or you see a strike from the USA with the Stealths taking out the SAM sites with the B1 and B2s behind them to destroy the bomber groups. Honestly this is what the bombers should have done this game.
@@grimreapers The F-22 finally has The JHMCS! ruclips.net/video/rKhsbJbneO8/видео.html Although a small amount of Raptors have already been using The Scorpion, JHMCS is a step up as all F-22's are to be fitted!
@Kirk Wolfe But that is the thing they don't land they take of from Shreveport and go anywere they need to and refull in the air that is the way they plan to use them.
Human error example: the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal. It was a comedy of errors from start to finish. First, the US cruiser squadron (plus HMAS _Canberra)_ did not consider Japanese night attacks a threat, when the Japanese were deadly when the sun went down. Then, when the action kicked off, the first cruiser picket engaged held their fire for several minutes under the erroneous belief they were suffering friendly fire. The result was the near-annihilation of the cruiser force.
For this series, I think that the "would Taiwan survive" part is over. It held, but China wouldn't call it quits just like that, it couldn't afford to. If you were to keep the series going it would have to be a more global conflict, a WW3 if you will. But either way, great job on what you've done so far, guys!
I agree with this. Though considering the recent post, not sure what we will get in terms of this now. Flawless War Gamer does bring this on a more global scale, however, in a more cinematic way in Arma 3. Not to take viewers away from the Grim Reapers as I watch both respectively. :)
Though the PRC would be losing really quickly, they simply have no way of securing their merchant fleet, they would be sunk or captured fast. The PRC simply can import what they need to stay in a modern war in the numbers needed. They would lag fuel, food and after some time they would lag raw materials to build military equipment to replace what they had used or lost.
Firstly Cap, can I just add my "thanks" to the pile for the massive amount of work you've put into this. Just a few thoughts off the top of my head: - If this war kicks off IRL, I'd expect it to begin with an absolutely gigantic ballistic and cruise missile strike on Taiwan. I know we only have Scuds for ballistic missiles in DCS but couldn't you just substitute them for extra rounds of cruise missile strikes? - Because the Taiwanese obviously know that, they have a lot of underground facilities and spread their aircraft & equipment around. They can also apparently operate aircraft from austere airfields. - AEGIS ships (and probably the Chinese stuff too) would have to return to port to replenish their missiles. The way they've been spamming them in this series, they would've run out on the second day. - We're completely missing the electronic warfare side of things (e.g. jamming aircraft like the EA-18 Growler or J-16D, Nulka missile decoys on US Navy ships etc. etc.). That would surely limit the effectiveness of things like air defenses and the longer range missiles. Maybe engagement ranges for SAMs could be adjusted using trigger zones to compensate?
Irl ECM effectiveness is very largely speculative, so it's basically impossible to apply it fairly. Also something that is really missing is that the PLA and PLAAF as an extension wouldn't fly a single mission per day. It would still take days for Western support to arrive, but China would no doubt attack ceaselessly throughout the day and night.
@@92HazelMocha Modern aircraft can't sustain a lot of repeated flights without maintenance as the gripe rate goes way up. China can't send a lot of small flights as Taiwan is too well defended and hardened (it has a lot of mountains in the interior, with bases). China has to send large raids to be effective, just as here. Only when allied defences are down can smaller, more frequent raids be conducted.
@@staubsauger2305 In the context of this sim, China only sends a small faction of its available aircraft. They wouldn't be flying non-stop sorties due to the abundance of unused aircraft. They certainly wouldn't wait until NATO forces arrived to launch massive air raids. And all this is is saying nothing of the PLA itself, which for obvious reasons doesn't have the same limitations.
Fair point about the missile strikes, but on the other hand, in an irl war, the Americans would probably bring in cruise missile submarines (SSGN) and since they're not in the game, it's only reasonable the PLA also doesn't have that option.
@@92HazelMocha You're right that ECM effectiveness is speculative but I think we can safely assume there'd be so much Electronic Warfare going on, certainly once the US arrived, that everybody's long range systems would be degraded.
As an "in universe" explanation for all the AI bugging out on both sides, you could call it a "successful cyber attack" that partially crippled that unit's systems lol Or just "equipment or training failure"
don't count those last losses on the b2's they would head back immediately after firing , they would not keep going towards the enemy empty and useless
Yeah, that was a bug/silly mistake no real pilot would ever make in war. Plus, the F-22s with the Aim-120 D never even showed up, so how were they lost? PL-15s are OP as they chase the allies for 100s of miles and almost never miss. 1 PLAA jet magically dodges missile after missile soaking them up like a black hole. but zero AIM-120Ds have been shot yet which isn't Grims fault but I do wish they had been added earlier. Either way, this is a ton of work and in no way am I chastising Grim.
When I first found this channel was when you did the first carrier attack thing and I absolutely fell in love with it and I absolutely love where this channel is headed and what is it has evolved to. Thank you so much for creating this content it’s just hard to express in words how much I absolutely love this channel please keep up the good work and thank you so much
Examples from history: The radar controller at Pearl Harbour, some time before the attack, who thought the Japanese on his display was a flight of B17s
@@KortanaDCS Miss the Kortana-cam from the previous entry, and congrats on going competitive, would like to see more of your flying, really gives scrubs like me hope.
If you want another example of a small blunder that changed the course of a war... Midway would be a great example. The japanese decided to change the loadout of the bombers when they were going to take off for the landbase, and then recieved news on the US carriers. Thats when the US dive bombers hit the carriers, and essentially all the ordinance that was on the deck caused chain reactions and only a few bombs ended up killing the 3 carriers that were hit.
I have to say air frame losses are not that important here for Taiwan as they are for china. The US would have airlifted replacement f-16 and f-5 and maybe even some f-15. As they did the last times PRC and ROC had their Taiwan Straits crisis and as they did for Israel during The Yom Kippur war. same with SAM systems would take what 3 days to move all that into place. The big issue is pilots. THE BDA needs to count how many pilots ejected safely for the ROC and how many PRC pilots are either dead in the water or are POW. remember Airframes are easy to replace Pilots are not.
Great series of DCS battles Cap!! I can't imagine the amount of effort it took to put this together... 👍👍 I like how you take in and implement, or at least talk about, the Valued Viewer's input. I enjoyed your play-by-play commentary...👍😊 And I even liked the "small touches" (the Jericho Trumpet sound) for the anti-ship missiles...😏😁🤣
You popped up on my list a while ago, and I kept watching simply because you called me a valued viewer. Wasn't even a big fan of fighter planes and stuff like that, know I'm looking forward to all your new videos. Thanks for the koality content man!
Great stuff as always, easily the best series on YT, although I will note that irl 120D's have a range of 160km not 160nm, but thats an issue for the mod makers. Also 100% want to see the naval battles that aren't taking place here.
Not sure if its been mentioned before, and afaik theres no way to model in DCS but US and Chinese attack subs would be a very significant factor in how the fleets have been deploying and there would have been inevitable shipping losses
Subs plus mines. As long as the allies are able to sew mines in the Formosa Strait then China has zero chance of an amphibious invasion being sustained long enough to be successful. Germany in 1940/41 had the same problem with Britain, over a much smaller distance (even though Britain's land defences were weak, although the Royal Navy remained strong).
Totally agree. If the way cap has the Chinese carrier in the open ocean. It would be a juicy target for American submarine fleet. And mostly get wiped off the map before it becomes a threat to the us 7th fleet. Granted you can’t model it in DCS.
I think an interception of the Russian fleet by Japanese coastal missiles would be interesting to watch, in addition to the naval battles. This is an incredible content
lol... the limits of the modern wargames are being stumped by the real life secret capabilities of the units involved. And some of the public wargames are hampered by the capacity of the available game servers. Just imagine the fun the navy/air force guys have with unlimited server capacity and truly realistic unit capability.
Can't take my eyes off the war game! Great job Grim Reaper! What a costly exchange on both sides! I'd say Beijing will do a last stand, utilize its carrier and rest of the fleet, combine with the air force from two half-operational air fields, try to wipe out seventh fleet for a batter peace talk position. So yes, please do a carrier fight at last! If PLA wins it is a draw (peace talk), otherwise Beijing is defeated.
@@grimreapers i thought as much, but since you are counting aim 120 stocks then should it not be fair to count sm2 ? no biggie if you can not get it worked out, just an observation ... love the series !
@@Magnus-t4j i think they actually mentioned the pl 15 besides the aim120 in the video out produce is one thing, but maintaining a stock for all vessels is something different.... sm 2 for pascific fleet and atlantic fleet and where else ... large navy needs to have missiles for all its ships to prevent exploitation ... china can do the taiwan thing to draw resources so another fleet can not be drained to become weak spot ... but that is going into things too deeply ... i just thought of the FACT that for 4 days the ships kept firing sm2s .... while relatively isolated from the US mainland
The main thing is that China mainland will never be attacked, especially by forces other than Taiwan's, as it will mean declaration of war between China and that other force. All actions will be strictly defensive - e.g. if a plane enters Taiwan airspace or launches missile into it, it will be shot down, but there will be no attacks on Chinese airfields or ships. If US positions a fleet to protect the island from incoming missiles, Chinese will also be careful not to attack these ships directly.
Yeah!!!! been waiting for this.. thanks guys :)... having now watched a great episode ( thanks again!!, beers are on me! ), would love to see the fleet on fleet actions resolved then see them reinforce the main battle and maybe try to gain the initiative with a massive Tomahawk strike on PLA assets ( couldn't they launch from B52's from well outside of PLA air defence range ?) thanks again !! :)
They say that the Confederates lost the US battle of Gettysburg because of a single wooden fence that got in the way of advancing Confederate troops. (In response to Cap talking about one little error affecting the entire day 3)
well considering the chinese and russian carriers are making their way to the battle, theres at least one or two more good battles left in this series. Also, im wondering why type054 frigates weren;t used. they should have been the corvettes in the PLA fleet.
@@martinpalmer6203 realistically they'd make a move on Ukraine or the baltic states rather than try to attack the US mainland, they'd get very little out of it even if they succeed.
The fight comes down to the 2 carrier group battles now. If China can win one of these, then it can pincer Taiwan and continue the assault. If it loses both battles, it's over. If it defeats both, then China might win the war. If it defeats one, and damages the other group, then the fight is on.
Hey Cap, this day was very well planned and executed kudos for that. Also after this day as all majority of airfields are non operational for 24 hours there won't be any bombers flying the next day from the bomber airfields as they have landed before the attack on runways and are now stuck there. PLAN ships some of whom are lost will now be virtually without air cover from the fighters from the airfields. This also should be taken into consideration that there would be a very limited if at all Chinese air activity from this region due to air fields being non operational and if there are any fighters stationed there they would be stuck till repairs are done and are basically sitting ducks same with the H6 bombers. So basically on the next day PLAN ships would face heavy anti shipping attacks against them and that too without anyone intercepting their attackers. Day 5 should have heavy ground attacks on Chinese SAM sites as well as repeated attacks against aircraft / aircraft hangers / aircraft bunkers on the airfields. If you simulate Chinese air activity they would have to fly far distance from another theatre to cover our area of interest. Also at this point Taiwan and it's allies would have to replenish the Air Power of the Island by basically converging their fighters from nearby bases to be rebased at Taiwan. Also maybe a sub part of this War Scenario would be the battle between carrier groups. Here I think the Blue side would have upper hand as they have F-35s vs non stealth chinese aircraft.
This is a awesome series so thank you! Only thing I wish DCS had was the SM-6 American anti air missiles the latest in the Ageis system. As what I can tell these are built to counter the new super sonic and hypersonic anti ship missiles. The SM-2 although a great missle just is out classed by the new high speed stuff. Is kinda depressing until I realized the SM-6 was designed and is now deployed in decent numbers.
When the Missouri and her group were on their way "out" of firing for the day during Desert Storm. The CWIS on one of the destroyers fired on a missile, and on Missouri's chaffe/flares.
Very enjoyable series, thank you. Wish it was set up in a more more realistic way, mainly on strategic level. For example not getting your forces defeated in detail by sending them individually (like those 2 anti-shipping strikes in this video). But I don't think DCS would be able to handle so much action all at once.
Just found this... 8 months too late... Absolutely LOVE all the work you put in! these campaign simulations are AMAZING (hint hint Red Storm Rising hint hint)! Loved the general areal battle but it occurs to me, Damp could only find the Spirits using his optical tracker. Would this have worked at night? (Also, I'm pretty sure the USAF is NEVER going to put up a B2 strike with a daylight TOT). Also, the CCP may have tried to achieve strategic surprise by moving their carrier away from their coast and using only aircraft in the Eastern region but, once hostilities commenced (and certainly once they took the losses that they did) they would have surged aircraft/missiles/whatever from all the other military districts. ESPECIALLY once Japan and the US got involved. Sucks that there are no subs in DCS because US/UK subs would DEFINITELY be involved (although I don't know for sure if the standard load out on an American SSN includes TLAMs or if they would have to return to port in order to be loaded). Additionally, I'm not sure that the USAF/USN would try to conduct a limited objective strike with the objective of destroying the PLAAF airfields from which strike aircraft are launching or conducting strikes on the CCP's deep water ports in order to force the CCP to cease hostilities or face starvation both physical and economic.
Need to point out something: No cows where harmed during this fight unfortunately..... The cows now have taken and are now armed with the missing F-22 Raptors...... Is Kortana single? Um Moooo
I think China has two options. Option 1, the least likely for them to accept, is to concede and finally acknowledge Taiwan as a sovereign nation. Like Damp said, I think that would spell the end for the current regime in China. Option 2 would be to escalate the conflict. I think this could either take the form of simply calling in forces from other areas to support their operations against Taiwan, or they could force the allied forces to deal with other issues by opening up additional fronts. Such as assaulting Japan or Korea. Cap this series is great. Thank you so much for running this. Will we see a European version of this in the near future? Such as a flashpoint centered around the Ukraine?
this war is still quite early, I suspect the northern and southern theatre commands are being vectored to the region now. Meaning more J20s and destroyers showing up.
I think a cease fire would be called and maintain the status quo like the other 3 times PRC attacked ROC plus this time PRC attacked a US and Japanese aircraft and ships in international water. raising this to full war with the US. Pretty much every other nation would be against China. Russia would stay neutral and not help. China would run low on fuel. Do to it being blockaded by the US and NATO. And really everyone would either want the PRC to fall or go back to the Status Quo. The supply chain from china to other nations would be worse then during this current real life one. China might end up having to pay damages to the US but not to Taiwan. The US would pay that.
Fantastic war game! Sad we didn’t get to see the F-22’s engage. I think this should continue where it leaves off. China makes a final push. Have additional US and allied assets on sight. Love this series!
I realize this is old, but there were some things mussing in it and today things have changed from almost a year ago. I love these videos, even if things don't work as planned or when you're limited by the capabilities of DCS. (Note that everything I'm about to say is in the public domain as information released by the US government regarding NATO/US capabilities.) First NATO and especially the US have EW aircraft of various types capable of jamming Chinese radar (including on carriers). Since we don't know how good our jamming is, and how bad the Chinese radar is, it's hard to say how effective the jamming would be. I would have to say that thus far, in the history of US/NATO warfare, our systems have been better than anyone thought and our adversaries far weaker than we expected. The SM-2 is older and being augmented with the new system since 2013. We have been outfitting the fleet with the SM-6 - longer range, multi-purpose, better seekers, GPS guided optional. As well, our radars have been upgraded (with more upgrades coming) not only on our ships, but our planes. As well, all of our ships with VLS launchers may have cruise missiles loaded in some of the launchers. How many would be determined by the mission of the battle group and the particular ship. we are also now deploying improved cruise missiles in the fleet that have better evasion as well as longer range. I know you said the concept was that the attack was a surprise. That said while there may only be 1 US carrier group in the area at the time, the US would immediately send two more. Note that once a battle group uses it's missiles, it must return to a port for reloading the VLS launchers. Depending on the port they have to sail to, this could put that battle group out of action for a month. For this reason, the US would have to send 2 more carrier groups immediately (one to replace the first one that was used up even if the carrier was not lost, the other for use when that one is used up), and begin to resupply bases in the area with additional missiles. (We'll assume NATO has an unlimited supply of missiles in their stockpiles to make things simpler.) Some of our ships have had CWIS replaced by rolling missile systems as well. These are more effective than CWIS. As for today (Oct 2022), we have a new carrier deployed in the Atlantic which has increased the fleet by one carrier group. More ships and planes have been upgraded and we are now hearing about HELIOS LASER systems being fitted onto US destroyers (We are actually about to test one in an AC-130 according to an article I read just this past week or so. A final note. It's too bad the DCS AI is so troublesome as it lacks some realism that would make these fights much better. For example - plane actually going where told and not flying straight into a swarm of death and instead doing more to evade. That's what we get to deal with though. :) I also wonder why they would not have China and Taiwan already modeled. That seems like a no-brainer.
Thank you, cap. I hope you've enjoyed your scenario. As a Taiwanese, I can't help but feel bitter the way we were abandoned by the States in 1970's and now face with this impossible predicament, under the world's indifferences and isolation. In comparison to the attention Ukraine got from NATO and US, TWN is just an inconvenient afterthought. Can't help but compare our defense to that of the battle of Britain. Technology has advanced, but the strategy stays the same - without external help and supply chain, an island defense will eventually collapse. Not only that we would need external volunteer pilots like the ones Britain got from Canada, United States and 15 other countries, the fearless and relentless convoy of merchant ships for supplies and equipment, a huge loan from the States (31B to Britain in WW2), but most importantly, we have to be astute and reckless as the Israelis to launch preemptive and preventative strikes. As for the detail on the PLA side: Three airbases which can reach TWN within minutes have recently been upgraded: Name, Theatre, coordinate, runways, recent details Longtian Eastern 25°34′22″N 119°27′41″E 04/22 unknown Huian Eastern 25°1′35″N 118°48′26″E 04/22 formerly based J-6 aircraft, also used by Ground Forces Zhangzhou Eastern 24°33′42″N 117°39′17″E 09/27 unknown In addition, the Eastern Theatre can mobilize the following airbases: Name, Theatre, coordinate, runways, recent details Anqing North, Eastern 30°35′00″N 117°03′00″E 06/24 28th Air Regiment, 10th Bomber Division (H-6K) Baitabu, Eastern 34°34′19″N 118°52′26″E 03/21 95th Air Brigade (J-11B) from 2012, 57th Regiment from 2010 to 2012 Changxing, Eastern 30°58′7″N 119°43′50″E 07/25 8th Brigade (J-10) Daishan Eastern 30°17′16″N 122°8′42″E 03/21 2nd UAV Regiment Fuzhou Eastern 26°0′14″N 119°18′46″E 08/26 5th Fendui (J-6 drone), previous home of the 49th Division (J-6) Jianqiao Eastern 30°20′7″N 120°14′27″E 07/25 83rd Air Brigade (JH-7A/Q-5J) Jiaxing Eastern/Western 30°42′20″N 120°40′27″E 05/23 84th Air Brigade (JH-7A) (Eastern), formerly operated Q-5 aircraft to 2011, 20th Division (Y-8) (Western) Liancheng Eastern 25°40′35″N 116°44′46″E 02/20 1st Fendui (J-6 drone) Luhe/Ma'an Eastern 32°22′40″N 118°47′39″E 06/24 10th Bomber Division (H-6, Y-5D, HYJ-7, WZ-8) Mahuiling Air Base Eastern 29°28′37″N 115°48′6″E 04/22 76th Regiment (Y-8C/KJ-500) from 2019, former home of the 31st Regiment (J-7E) to 2013 Nanjing Eastern 31°58′19″N 118°50′29″E 06/24 Y-5, Y-7, Mi-171, Z-8, also used by 72nd Army Aviation Brigade Quzhou Eastern 28°57′59″N 118°53′58″E 06/24 85th Air Brigade (Su-30MKK), J-7-II fighters replaced 2003-2006 Rugao Eastern 32°15′26″N 120°30′10″E 15/33 86th Air Brigade (J-7E) from 2013 Shuofang Eastern 31°29′50″N 120°25′50″E 03/21 77th Regiment (KJ-200, KJ-2000, Y-8T) Suzhou Eastern 31°15′47″N 120°24′3″E 18/36 93rd Air Brigade (J-8, JJ-7) Taihe Eastern 26°51′26″N 114°44′13″E 08/26 4th Fendui Wuhu Eastern 31°23′27″N 118°24′34″E 08/26 7th Air Brigade (J-16), 9th Air Brigade (Su-30MKK, JL-10, J-20), Factory 5720 Wuyishan Eastern 27°42′3″N 118°0′1″E 03/21 41st Air Brigade (Su-27UBK, J-11), 3rd Dadui (J-6 drone) Xiangtang Eastern 28°25′15″N 115°55′28″E 01/19 40th Air Brigade with J-16 fighters since 2017, 40th Air Regiment with J-11 fighters until 2017 Xiapu Eastern 26°56′30″N 120°4′39″E 11/29 Zhangshu Eastern 28°1′25″N 115°33′0″E 06/24 42nd Air Regiment (J-7L) Zhuangqiao Eastern 29°55′26″N 121°34′26″E 12/30 1st UAV Regiment
One thing I've noticed is that you kept saying that the surviving American LHA would be useless. But American LHAs carry some quantity of fixed wing aircraft (Harriers and/or F-35s, depending on timeline) and a mix of helicopters, including combat capable helicopters. The helicopters and some of the fighters would probably be predominantly used in support of a landing force and/or ASW duty, but some of the fixed wing assets could be used for either CAP or anti-shipping.
2:20 Even if airbases get destroyed, Taiwan has been practicing with highways as runways. Yes, there airforce would be degraded, but it doesn't mean they are out for the count. And of course, there are VTOLs available.
You know I used to give you shit for talking a lot... I want to apologize. You guys put a lot of effort into this stuff and I really enjoy watching it. I think you do your best to give us the closest to close outcomes That would be available.. I do tend to fast forward it through the technical jargon as my knowledge is so laymates That it's way beyond my comprehension... I am thoroughly impressed with your guys's knowledge of aircraft and weapons systems it is impressive. So keep it up, I take back what I said I actually like your commentary the more I listen. I have subsbribed and liked every video I can see. So keep up the good work fellas. 👏 Seacrest out 🤘✌️
Agree with this being the best example. Sending the cavalry on a frontal attack into overwhelming artillery due to a miscommunication about the right target.
I love this channel! Keep doing what you are doing. Can’t wait to dig into this one 😁 My money is on China suing for peace at this point. Taiwan still loses anyway though.. losing their entire Air Force and all 😅
Is it me or did the raptors just land at the airfields? The B2's would have aborted mission without air support. Love the series, appreciate the time you have sunk into this. I kinda feel you have reached DC's max potential, a conflict of this magnitude is pretty hard to capture. IRL China would have moved its navy into defensive and counter reaction points prior to tie up AUKUS forces and any other nation interfering. Sub squads would have been sent to disable communications, cut undersea cables etc and take up firing positions on GUAM and India. Many people forget about India, despite them having a Airforce and Navy which ins't small. China wouldn't have just sent in swarms of ballistic missiles in as they want Taiwan's assets, this includes airfields, dockyards. And capturing military assets is a bonus as they will use them to improve their own military effectiveness. Only when it proved impossible capture would they choose to eliminate. EP1 was supper accurate, though I think the game is a tad biased to the effectiveness to the PL15's.
Kinda sad to see this series discontinued...while I don't think it's creating a really plausible scenario, it is a fascinating exercise in 'what if...' That said, the comments about the US having F-22s stationed in Guam leads me to wonder what the US troops stationed on Okinawa and in South Korea would be doing during all of this...I don't think there's any way that this would go to four days before US forces intervened in large numbers, and not just the carrier group near the China Sea.
I'm repeating this story from memory and can't find a citation for it now, so can't promise it's true or correct, but... During the American revolutionary war, a tired, depleted American army who had just suffered several defeats and was bordering on surrender approached a British camp. They were spotted, and a British scout went to his CO to report it. The officer was playing... I can't remember what game it was, and the solider didn't want to interrupt rudely, so he handed him a note. The officer was quite involved in the game, so slipped it into his pocket without reading it. Because of that they got ambushed by the Americans, killed, and the officer's body was found with the note still in his pocket. There's decent odds that if that solider had just said something, or the officer had read the note, the US wouldn't exist today.
Not sure if the outcome would have been no USA if the officer had read the note. The Americans also had the French fighting alongside, our our attentions were being distracted with French and Spanish issues is Europe and India. No matter what may have happened, USA would've gained independence. And tbh, as a proud Brit, I'm kinda glad as you became great allies over thr next few centuries.
I think we have to see the carrier battle. At this point the carrier battle would make a big difference in China and America’s strategic positions. If the US has two disabled or destroyed carrier groups and a bunch of ultra-expensive stealth aircraft gone, they may reconsider the cost of full commitment to Taiwan’s defense. However if China loses and they now have multiple US carrier battle groups threatening the mainland along with USAF, they are in a position where they really can’t win. The danger for the US then becomes how to give China a diplomatic out and not forcing them to fall back on their strategic nuclear deterrent for survival.
Cap, only major think I can say as constructive criticism is the B2 would not ingress or egress down the coast like that way too much time spent in harms way, and would of attacked in the dark so as to avoid visual identification too ( Sorry Damp but you would never have got the 2 you did as I doubt you'd have got Tally) but I'm guessing that's down to AI and making lots of boom boom scenario limits and choices . Definitely the Available PL15s in the relevant theatre command would be massively depleted, if not all used by this point. Please tell us where the phantom Raptors disappeared too. I can't see them having all been shot down! Otherwise love this series, and I have no idea if the Chinese would keep fighting!
A few mins before he starts looking for Raptors, I spot them circling the Island's Northeast Hawk Battery, I think they were still there circling, there was just a lot of stuff piled in that location.
56:33 the RCS in-game are clearly wrong, Didn't you say the F-22 had like 0,1 m^2 it's listed as 0.0001 m^2, B-2's and F-35's are probably also far too big. On the other hand, it seems like the J-20's RCS are the same or smaller, but really it is much bigger than an F-22, how much bigger is hard to know. Doubt high that the Chinese AWACS would see the B-2 at that distance, also it seems the efficiency of the AA systems is unrealistically good. But that might be true for both sides. The B-2's would probably come in at 15 Km altitude, limiting the ground-based chance to spot them. The F-22's would escort them and probably hunt the AWACS shooting it down or making it run away.
The failure of the cruise missile launch against the picket could have resulted from incorrect targeting data provided the cruise missiles, especially if the cruise missiles were configured as ground to ground. The PLA may have expected the US to hold back to avoid a direct confrontation, and that would mean that the cruise missiles would have a clear shot at targets on the ground. The PLA might also have expected an absence of war ships because protecting the carrier would slow them down, and prevent deployment as pickets. Counterintuitively, taking the carrier out of commission gave that naval strike group more flexibility than the PLA Navy would expect; hence, the cruise missiles had targeting data to strike ground targets on Taiwan.
Gonna throw in my hat on what ifs. In terms of Taiwan fighting, I don't think a Day 5 would be there, I'm going to say that both sides would be defensive around the island due to the loses. Day 5 would most likely be the two NATO CVs versus their Chinese opponents, the US did lose a carrier, and the Navy would be out to murder something, so the US vs Chinese carrier fight would probably be a deciding factor, the UK CV might just be a skirmish with its opponent to force it back.
B-52s and B-1s wouldn't be using JDAMs though. They're made to use Air Launched Cruise Missiles such as the Tomahawk. So, they'd be launching from 600+ miles away out of SAM range. That's why the B-52 and B-1 are still in the fleet despite their age and non-stealthiness. Honestly you don't even need to sim them if you want to use them in game (and save server capacity) since they'd never be within a few hundred miles of enemy fire. You could just simulate the cruise missiles attacking en masse. However, those missiles would take a lot of attrition since they're slow and low.
One thing that hasn't been included I believe is the 7th Fleet's cruise missiles. I don't believe they are out of range, if they are ignore me, but otherwise I could see the remaining ships salvoing every cruise missile they have in an effort to at the very least soak up SAMs while another B-2 strike comes in behind with an additional strike. Along with B-52's and B-1s behind that.
The unstoppable aircraft that Cortana keeps encountering must be a bit like the unstoppable resurrected imp in Doom. Can't be killed, walks through walls and solid objects and just keeps coming for you.
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Very cool war game series Cap! I don't know that China CAN back down, but it kinda depends on what's been covered on State News Services. If the CCP has been making hay the whole time about how it was such a noble mission for them to do this thing, then they would HAVE to claim victory, along the lines of "We have destroyed the upstart's air force, we have destroyed their airbases (damaged really, but propaganda is what it is), we have destroyed the American Carrier and it's escorts (most of them, but again, we don't have to mention that), All while receiving no losses (and conveniently forget to mention that the only part of their forces that have had no losses would be the heavy bomber fleet). We have proven to the world that Taiwan is Chinese, and will remain so. Satisfied with our chastising the rebel forces, we are standing down so we do not harm innocent civilians." Kinda depends on NOT loosing the Liaoning though in that engagement, which should be going on simultaneously to this action. I don't really know how they'd swing that loss as a propaganda victory... If they don't declare victory and withdraw, then they have to try for an invasion, which I doubt would be very successful given the defenses that would already be on the island The Americans however, will NOT accept that, not after loosing a Supercarrier and so many of her escorts, not after loosing so many bombers and fighters. Keep in mind that whatever fighter jets or bombers Americans want in that fight tomorrow, will be in that fight tomorrow, as they do have the whole mid-air refueling thing going on and have sent single seat fighter squadrons to the other side of the world on 24 hour notice. The Taiwan airbases are intact, as are the missile batteries. Cargo planes with extra ammunition and even entire launcher systems, if necessary. 3-4 F-15C (36-48 CAP air frames), 3-4 F-15E Strike Eagles (another 36-48 tactical bombers), 10 squadrons of F-16C (120 multi-role aircraft), maybe another pair of F-22 Raptor squadrons (another 24 CAP aircraft), couple dozen cargo planes delivering missiles and missile systems replacements from other parts of the world all converging on Taiwan is certainly do-able, that would be an extra 250+ fighters. I don't think you'd get any more American F-35's from the Air Force, but you might from the Navy. The US will certainly not empty the inventory, and leave the Mainland US undefended, but it would move a lot of planes, as many as those air bases could support. The US would also be stacking up US Army Infantry and likely sending the 82nd Airborn over, Again, it's been more than 48 hours since war was declared, and while you don't have to model it, you should at least mention how there would be boots on the ground, waiting for a mission into China, or waiting for China to be stupid enough to send troops to Taiwan. Frankly, I would be highly surprised if at least a Battalion of 1st Special Forces Group weren't already there, and nobody bothered to tell anyone else about it. Green Berets can be like that at times, especially if it's Delta. Keep in mind, you've likely also got a bunch of SEALs already in Taiwan too. They would have been part of the Fleet that was just finished getting wiped out. Considering how involved the Russians have been so far, even if the Russians do get some hits on Americans, and the Americans get some hits on Russians, America can basically ignore that in order to avoid having to go to war with Russia as well. "We have seen no Russian Involvement in this conflict, and understand the desire to voice support for your erstwhile allies, however, further Russian involvement would be unwise at this time, as I'm sure you'll agree." The Russians can simply blame whatever losses they suffer on the incompetence of the Chinese, and withdraw. You need to keep in mind that it would be absolutely imperative for the US to maintain Taiwan's independence as they make a great deal of our electronics components, not just for civilian equipment, but a lot of the non-classified military hardware as well. Japan and South Korea are of course MORE important for a lot of those products, but loosing Taiwan would hurt a lot, especially in that we are already hurting along those same lines. To be honest, China also makes a lot of our electronics and other goods, but that's more civilian than military gear at this point. No more cheap Chinese iPhones, iPads, and iMacs. Have to wait for those factories to migrate to India and South Korea before you get any more iPhones. Samsung (a Native S.K. Corporation) will be quite happy to sell you a Galaxy instead. So while the Chinese might be "done" with their war, The Americans certainly aren't about to let them get away with sinking a Carrier. The Chinese Communist Party will have to officially surrender, regardless of what ever they tell the Chinese Public.
The real fight is won in the Strait of Malacca. Once US +allies (India, Australia) blocked that then China's economy runs out of energy within a month. That's the less exciting but real war is won.
@@staubsauger2305 While that will certainly eliminate their financial ability to wage war, and I like the way you think at least on this issue, "Not having money" will not stop the CCP from simply throwing bodies at the problem. There is nothing keeping the CCP from simply ordering the manufacturing companies to keep producing planes regardless of them getting paid or not. If a company refuses, a couple trucks full of PLA will show up and start shooting people until compliance is restored. They've done it before, though it has been a while. They'll commandeer anything and everything that they can use to "win" the war, if it'll help them. While the US has the most powerful military in the world, the CCP has the most boots on the ground by a large margin, and unlike the US that's scattered around the world, all the PLA soldiers are at home. The only real saving grace is that the PLA and the PLAN have no capacity to move those troops over water or by air. Sure, against Taiwan, they can simply deploy paratroopers as an option, but with the American forces that should already be in Taiwan by now, that won't be an easy fight for China, and the US is very experienced at this kind of thing. Money only matters when the other guy isn't willing to shoot you if you don't keep working.
Not a criticism. But, I think you are using the B-2 bombers, and the F-22’s incorrectly for the mission. I believe that training doctrine calls for deep penetration raids to be done at night, in the dark, at low level. Then pop up, launch missiles, drop back down into terrain masking to evade, and RTB. I believe the B-1 bombers practice the same doctrine. I could be wrong, but I don’t think so. Could you run simulations on the airfields, ammo points, fuel bunkers, and ammo trains? I think they could be very interesting.
I think China would carry on. Mainly because i agree with the mentioned reasons. And if they do not win quick they would loose their Face completly. This would be easier to bear with a victory. Addendum: I really love your carrier battles. So i would like to see them played out before the next day for this scenario. If not in a Video, maybe just simulate them for yourself if that is easier?
China has no VTOL or STOVL aircraft at current, so their Airstrips getting cut would be a significant blow. They would need to bring in an aircraft carrier to provide air cover, alongside far-flying CAP from bases further inland, while the airstrips were repaired. If i were China in this situation (with the carriers no available), I would bring the southern navy in as an extra defense line, mirroring the Picket, then on the the next day. launch an all out dawn attack from the repaired bases, along with naval advance, covering assault ships. Ifi were playing this in DCS, I would do this in 2 stages of operation, for Server concerns- Day 5: US SEAD vs China, Carrier vs Carrier in Pacific Day 6 (part 1): Dawn Assault Day 6 (Part 2- conditional on success of Part 1): Marine landing operation
Oh and, please try to stop using the terms "China" in relation to "Taiwan" Taiwan IS China, Taiwanese people ARE Chinese. It's actually the CCP vs ROC. Or, even more strictly, Communists in power attacking the administrative capitol of the official government of the Chinese people. For example: In your other videos, you say things like "Chinese strike" which is not strictly accurate. That's like saying an American strike against Oklahoma. A CCP strike against the democratically elected government of the Republic of China, is accurate. Chinese people appreciate what you're doing. Keep up the good work!
For the purpose of the simulation, Ticonderoga can be used to simulate the the Kidd class. In game the Ticonderoga carries 62 SM2, the Kidd in real life caries 68. The Kidd and the Ticonderoga are built on the same frame just like the Kidd and Spruance.
Overall I do think that the Chinese would continue and this would probably escalate to a full scale war. The Chinese definitely want to invade Taiwan since it’s always been a goal of their to retake Taiwan and I think an invasion attempt would be a good video for down the line North Korea and the Chinese would probably make a move for South Korea which would make a good series as well. If North Korea did become another series I think it would probably include a US preemptive strike to take out the North Korean nuclear capabilities and I think that this would show what the US can do when it gets to make the first strike. The US should be pouring USAF aircraft into the region as well as USN air and naval assets. Remember US ships aren’t exclusively assigned to CSGs, they perform other missions as well. Remember that their are 2 squadrons of USAF F-15Cs and 2 squadrons of USMC F-35Bs on Okinawa which would have already been engaged. If the Russians are getting close to the Straights of Tsushima the Japanese navy should be planning to ambush them with aircraft, ships, and land based Anti-Ship missiles. Also I think that the Guam F-22s would probably be forward deployed to Taiwan and another wing of F-22s would replace the ones originally at Guam. I think that the British and US Carrier Battles with the Chinese would make good videos. I think you could add in for the US battle since they are fairly close to Guam to add in B-52 and F-22s in addition to the US Carrier Group to form a pincer. The Teddy Roosevelt Carrier Group should have a mix of F-35s for CAP and F/A-18s for anti shipping as well. Now that the base that the H-6s were at has been disabled for now the remaining picket ships should fire their tomahawks at them so they can be taken out of the fight. The H-6s should be the absolute priority target for the next mission they are the biggest threat to the blue naval assets. The Second priority target should be taking out the HQ-9 sites F/A-18s with JSOWs would be good since they can fire more of them than the HARMs. The Japanese ships that were sent towards the PLAN flotilla along with the two remaining Perry Frigates should move in to finish them off.
China might have one last roll of the dice for one more day, but the Australians, NATO (UK, France etc) and Japan have yet to really make a showing. The scales are definitely against China, so they'd scrape together what they could for one more day (it's not as if communists really care about the lives of their slaves, they only care about attaining and retaining power at all costs).
Well it would already be a full out war remember the chinese attacked the Japanese air craft and the US navy in international water/airspace. IE the chinese fired first with out warning or war declaring. The world would have turned on china. China and US navy have had "encounters" as in unmarked "civilian" Chinese ships have rammed or nearly rammed US naval ships. but never fired shots.
I agree that North Korea and China might attack South Korea in this situation. It would allow the Chinese to leverage their massive ground forces to open up another theater, which the "allies" would have to either abandon, or siphon air and naval assets to engage in. I think that is outside the scope of this video series though.
It's also really important to remember that if the Russians attack the US than that obligates the rest of NATO to fight Russia as well. I didn't really think that the Russians would've dispatched their only CSG to this they would be more likely to make a move for Ukraine or the Baltic States when the US gets more heavily engaged against China.
@@connorparks1130 Exactly. If Putin is going to take Ukraine this would be the time. There is also China's incursion into the shipping lanes in the South China Sea. Would China just sit on that while trying to take Taiwan...or do they think they have the capabilites to do both at once?
@@JChang0114 "International pressure" ? is an illusion. They are words used by one team to justify whatever decision it wanted to make. If you are a small country "International pressure" means a big country telling you what they decided you should do. When you are a big country (USA, China) bowing to "international pressure" is just the cover story for doing what you'd already decided to do.
Hi Cap, I think a video series about technical patch reviews could be quite popular. It seems like with the latest patch, a lot of stuff like audio and explosions have been improved, and a short video summary about these aspects of patches might interest viewers. :)
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@Kirk Wolfe They would air refuel on the way.
@Kirk Wolfe The thing is now the USA has the Raptors and what remains of the naval planes. What you would most likely see is one of two things. The USA Launch a counter strike on the Chineese carrier groups. They could use tactical bombers to reinforce the carrier attack groups. Or you see a strike from the USA with the Stealths taking out the SAM sites with the B1 and B2s behind them to destroy the bomber groups. Honestly this is what the bombers should have done this game.
@@grimreapers The F-22 finally has The JHMCS!
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Although a small amount of Raptors have already been using The Scorpion, JHMCS is a step up as all F-22's are to be fitted!
@Kirk Wolfe But that is the thing they don't land they take of from Shreveport and go anywere they need to and refull in the air that is the way they plan to use them.
This is the best series on RUclips, huge respect to all the effort you and the guys put into this Cap!
Agreed and well said
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Human error example: the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal. It was a comedy of errors from start to finish. First, the US cruiser squadron (plus HMAS _Canberra)_ did not consider Japanese night attacks a threat, when the Japanese were deadly when the sun went down. Then, when the action kicked off, the first cruiser picket engaged held their fire for several minutes under the erroneous belief they were suffering friendly fire. The result was the near-annihilation of the cruiser force.
I was going to suggest this example. Or the entire journey of the Russian 2nd Pacific squadron in the Russo-japan war of 1905ish
@@Decrepit_biker Ah, the Pacific Derp Squadron. Always a hoot to hear about them.
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@@PhoenixT70 absolutely. Drachininfel did a great video about them on his channel. If it was a film you wouldn't believe it......
@@Decrepit_biker I watched Potential History’s on it, but I’ll have to look for that one now. Thanks for mentioning it!
For this series, I think that the "would Taiwan survive" part is over. It held, but China wouldn't call it quits just like that, it couldn't afford to. If you were to keep the series going it would have to be a more global conflict, a WW3 if you will. But either way, great job on what you've done so far, guys!
I agree with this. Though considering the recent post, not sure what we will get in terms of this now. Flawless War Gamer does bring this on a more global scale, however, in a more cinematic way in Arma 3. Not to take viewers away from the Grim Reapers as I watch both respectively. :)
except that was just a tiny fraction of the firepower China could and would bring to the fight
If China does/did this they would use Powell Doctrine.....USE EVERYTHING AND GET IT OVER WITH....OVERWHELMING POWER.
Though the PRC would be losing really quickly, they simply have no way of securing their merchant fleet, they would be sunk or captured fast.
The PRC simply can import what they need to stay in a modern war in the numbers needed. They would lag fuel, food and after some time they would lag raw materials to build military equipment to replace what they had used or lost.
afterall，this series going so wrong fron the beginning, well this would not be the reality.
Firstly Cap, can I just add my "thanks" to the pile for the massive amount of work you've put into this.
Just a few thoughts off the top of my head:
- If this war kicks off IRL, I'd expect it to begin with an absolutely gigantic ballistic and cruise missile strike on Taiwan. I know we only have Scuds for ballistic missiles in DCS but couldn't you just substitute them for extra rounds of cruise missile strikes?
- Because the Taiwanese obviously know that, they have a lot of underground facilities and spread their aircraft & equipment around. They can also apparently operate aircraft from austere airfields.
- AEGIS ships (and probably the Chinese stuff too) would have to return to port to replenish their missiles. The way they've been spamming them in this series, they would've run out on the second day.
- We're completely missing the electronic warfare side of things (e.g. jamming aircraft like the EA-18 Growler or J-16D, Nulka missile decoys on US Navy ships etc. etc.). That would surely limit the effectiveness of things like air defenses and the longer range missiles. Maybe engagement ranges for SAMs could be adjusted using trigger zones to compensate?
Irl ECM effectiveness is very largely speculative, so it's basically impossible to apply it fairly.
Also something that is really missing is that the PLA and PLAAF as an extension wouldn't fly a single mission per day. It would still take days for Western support to arrive, but China would no doubt attack ceaselessly throughout the day and night.
@@92HazelMocha Modern aircraft can't sustain a lot of repeated flights without maintenance as the gripe rate goes way up. China can't send a lot of small flights as Taiwan is too well defended and hardened (it has a lot of mountains in the interior, with bases). China has to send large raids to be effective, just as here. Only when allied defences are down can smaller, more frequent raids be conducted.
@@staubsauger2305 In the context of this sim, China only sends a small faction of its available aircraft. They wouldn't be flying non-stop sorties due to the abundance of unused aircraft. They certainly wouldn't wait until NATO forces arrived to launch massive air raids. And all this is is saying nothing of the PLA itself, which for obvious reasons doesn't have the same limitations.
Fair point about the missile strikes, but on the other hand,
in an irl war, the Americans would probably bring in cruise missile submarines (SSGN)
and since they're not in the game, it's only reasonable the PLA also doesn't have that option.
@@92HazelMocha You're right that ECM effectiveness is speculative but I think we can safely assume there'd be so much Electronic Warfare going on, certainly once the US arrived, that everybody's long range systems would be degraded.
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As an "in universe" explanation for all the AI bugging out on both sides, you could call it a "successful cyber attack" that partially crippled that unit's systems lol
Or just "equipment or training failure"
Yeah, it would honestly be weird if everything worked exactly right. Murphy is a cruel man.
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@@PhoenixT70 haha! I still have a t-shirt with murphy's law wriiten on it i picked up from an airshow when i was 17. I am 39 now!
don't count those last losses on the b2's they would head back immediately after firing , they would not keep going towards the enemy empty and useless
Yeah, that was a bug/silly mistake no real pilot would ever make in war. Plus, the F-22s with the Aim-120 D never even showed up, so how were they lost? PL-15s are OP as they chase the allies for 100s of miles and almost never miss. 1 PLAA jet magically dodges missile after missile soaking them up like a black hole. but zero AIM-120Ds have been shot yet which isn't Grims fault but I do wish they had been added earlier. Either way, this is a ton of work and in no way am I chastising Grim.
Also they wouldnt be totally invisible to radar
When I first found this channel was when you did the first carrier attack thing and I absolutely fell in love with it and I absolutely love where this channel is headed and what is it has evolved to. Thank you so much for creating this content it’s just hard to express in words how much I absolutely love this channel please keep up the good work and thank you so much
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Examples from history:
The radar controller at Pearl Harbour, some time before the attack, who thought the Japanese on his display was a flight of B17s
Thats really rough.
The Radar Controller called the contacts in...their direct CO made the judgement that it was the B17s
Kortana is deadly! Well played everyone! Love your channel! Thank you!
Thanks! 🙂
@@KortanaDCS Do you have a fanpage?
@@KortanaDCS Miss the Kortana-cam from the previous entry, and congrats on going competitive, would like to see more of your flying, really gives scrubs like me hope.
Might turn out to be a rl fighter pilot at this rate.
47:52 - 48:04 Cap: “where are the Raptohrs!? I can’t see any of them...they are so invisible they are gone!”
I’m dying here. 😂
If you want another example of a small blunder that changed the course of a war... Midway would be a great example. The japanese decided to change the loadout of the bombers when they were going to take off for the landbase, and then recieved news on the US carriers. Thats when the US dive bombers hit the carriers, and essentially all the ordinance that was on the deck caused chain reactions and only a few bombs ended up killing the 3 carriers that were hit.
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I have to say air frame losses are not that important here for Taiwan as they are for china. The US would have airlifted replacement f-16 and f-5 and maybe even some f-15. As they did the last times PRC and ROC had their Taiwan Straits crisis and as they did for Israel during The Yom Kippur war. same with SAM systems would take what 3 days to move all that into place. The big issue is pilots. THE BDA needs to count how many pilots ejected safely for the ROC and how many PRC pilots are either dead in the water or are POW. remember Airframes are easy to replace Pilots are not.
Agreed. Pilots take the better part of a year to train, while a plane can be replaced in a week. (Including building and shipping)
Great series of DCS battles Cap!! I can't imagine the amount of effort it took to put this together... 👍👍
I like how you take in and implement, or at least talk about, the Valued Viewer's input. I enjoyed your play-by-play commentary...👍😊
And I even liked the "small touches" (the Jericho Trumpet sound) for the anti-ship missiles...😏😁🤣
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You popped up on my list a while ago, and I kept watching simply because you called me a valued viewer. Wasn't even a big fan of fighter planes and stuff like that, know I'm looking forward to all your new videos. Thanks for the koality content man!
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Wtf really
Great stuff as always, easily the best series on YT, although I will note that irl 120D's have a range of 160km not 160nm, but thats an issue for the mod makers. Also 100% want to see the naval battles that aren't taking place here.
Cap we appreciate all the hard work you're putting in! Top shelf missions
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Not sure if its been mentioned before, and afaik theres no way to model in DCS but US and Chinese attack subs would be a very significant factor in how the fleets have been deploying and there would have been inevitable shipping losses
Subs plus mines. As long as the allies are able to sew mines in the Formosa Strait then China has zero chance of an amphibious invasion being sustained long enough to be successful. Germany in 1940/41 had the same problem with Britain, over a much smaller distance (even though Britain's land defences were weak, although the Royal Navy remained strong).
Totally agree. If the way cap has the Chinese carrier in the open ocean. It would be a juicy target for American submarine fleet. And mostly get wiped off the map before it becomes a threat to the us 7th fleet. Granted you can’t model it in DCS.
Subs in DCS don't work. They can't do more than just sit there.
I absolutely love your videos in my face.
Long live Simba.
Long live Cortana.
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For a split second I thought the title read "Could Shania Twain Survive a Fourth Strike by China".
That Don't Impress Me Much...
Loving these wargames cap, thank you for putting so much effort into it ❤
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I think an interception of the Russian fleet by Japanese coastal missiles would be interesting to watch, in addition to the naval battles. This is an incredible content
lol... the limits of the modern wargames are being stumped by the real life secret capabilities of the units involved. And some of the public wargames are hampered by the capacity of the available game servers. Just imagine the fun the navy/air force guys have with unlimited server capacity and truly realistic unit capability.
I like Damp Sock, he seems very chill. :)
Amazing and very interesting vid Cap!
I can’t get over how amazing the jets in DCS sound! 37:28 I guess I just love hearing the sounds of jets. 😂
Kortana sounds smart
Can't take my eyes off the war game! Great job Grim Reaper! What a costly exchange on both sides!
I'd say Beijing will do a last stand, utilize its carrier and rest of the fleet, combine with the air force from two half-operational air fields, try to wipe out seventh fleet for a batter peace talk position.
So yes, please do a carrier fight at last! If PLA wins it is a draw (peace talk), otherwise Beijing is defeated.
He could but the issue is the PLAN carrier jets can only carry very limited fuel and armament.
i would like to see the carrier battles before you end this series
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Addicted...I watched all 4 of the series. Outstanding work team! Thank you, Scott
my question is how many SM-2 are in stock and available ... 4 days of sm2 should be kinda killing the stock ....
Yeh, but they are not shooting SM6 and SM3
sadly I have no way of modelled that :( they get all their missiles back at the beginning of each mission.
@@grimreapers i thought as much, but since you are counting aim 120 stocks then should it not be fair to count sm2 ?
no biggie if you can not get it worked out, just an observation ...
love the series !
realistically, the US would fly in c-5's full of em. then they reload at the taiwanese ports, or do at sea replen
@@Magnus-t4j i think they actually mentioned the pl 15 besides the aim120 in the video
out produce is one thing, but maintaining a stock for all vessels is something different....
sm 2 for pascific fleet and atlantic fleet
and where else ...
large navy needs to have missiles for all its ships to prevent exploitation ...
china can do the taiwan thing to draw resources so another fleet can not be drained to become weak spot ...
but that is going into things too deeply ...
i just thought of the FACT that for 4 days the ships kept firing sm2s ....
while relatively isolated from the US mainland
The main thing is that China mainland will never be attacked, especially by forces other than Taiwan's, as it will mean declaration of war between China and that other force. All actions will be strictly defensive - e.g. if a plane enters Taiwan airspace or launches missile into it, it will be shot down, but there will be no attacks on Chinese airfields or ships. If US positions a fleet to protect the island from incoming missiles, Chinese will also be careful not to attack these ships directly.
Ch1na would just drop another virus into the US mainland and claim in came from a wetmarket 🤣🤣🤣
Please keep this series going!
Yeah!!!! been waiting for this.. thanks guys :)... having now watched a great episode ( thanks again!!, beers are on me! ), would love to see the fleet on fleet actions resolved then see them reinforce the main battle and maybe try to gain the initiative with a massive Tomahawk strike on PLA assets ( couldn't they launch from B52's from well outside of PLA air defence range ?) thanks again !! :)
ALCM can launch from 1500 miles , subsonic flight time is 2.5 hrs after release . Can be reprogramed in flight
So fun to watch this, amazing!!! :D
Another thanks and happy Holidays :)
They say that the Confederates lost the US battle of Gettysburg because of a single wooden fence that got in the way of advancing Confederate troops. (In response to Cap talking about one little error affecting the entire day 3)
Yes, crazy how one person, decision or thing changes flow
Great stuff! Just wow. Good job Cap, massive effort.
That J16 Vs Kortana was one hell of a fight lol
Immortal J-16 vs Kortana nice match up
3 weeks and counting waiting for day 6. A man can dream
Thank you, watching. The Buff's would have dropped their first loads already.
Hell yeah! Thanks Cap!!😁👍👍
Lol my UH-1H'S did a lot more damage than I thought! Good news like I said plenty more where they came from ;)
If the Raptors had arrived, would they have made a difference? Great battle Cap!
Crazy hypothetical DCS China fights to the last man!
Very very nice Video, greetings from Germany
What about the US assets in S. Korea, then what about India jumping in, they have a land conflict with China today?
"It's a random AWACS"...
"Oooh ♡"
Awesome
well considering the chinese and russian carriers are making their way to the battle, theres at least one or two more good battles left in this series. Also, im wondering why type054 frigates weren;t used. they should have been the corvettes in the PLA fleet.
the russians would possibly attack mainland USA using their other assets tbh
@@martinpalmer6203 realistically they'd make a move on Ukraine or the baltic states rather than try to attack the US mainland, they'd get very little out of it even if they succeed.
@@hughmungus2760 Bombing infrastructure and factories isn't nothing
I have to admit I fast forward this until the engagement. The moment at 52:50 into this was very awesome!
The fight comes down to the 2 carrier group battles now. If China can win one of these, then it can pincer Taiwan and continue the assault. If it loses both battles, it's over. If it defeats both, then China might win the war. If it defeats one, and damages the other group, then the fight is on.
Hey Cap, this day was very well planned and executed kudos for that. Also after this day as all majority of airfields are non operational for 24 hours there won't be any bombers flying the next day from the bomber airfields as they have landed before the attack on runways and are now stuck there. PLAN ships some of whom are lost will now be virtually without air cover from the fighters from the airfields. This also should be taken into consideration that there would be a very limited if at all Chinese air activity from this region due to air fields being non operational and if there are any fighters stationed there they would be stuck till repairs are done and are basically sitting ducks same with the H6 bombers. So basically on the next day PLAN ships would face heavy anti shipping attacks against them and that too without anyone intercepting their attackers. Day 5 should have heavy ground attacks on Chinese SAM sites as well as repeated attacks against aircraft / aircraft hangers / aircraft bunkers on the airfields. If you simulate Chinese air activity they would have to fly far distance from another theatre to cover our area of interest. Also at this point Taiwan and it's allies would have to replenish the Air Power of the Island by basically converging their fighters from nearby bases to be rebased at Taiwan. Also maybe a sub part of this War Scenario would be the battle between carrier groups. Here I think the Blue side would have upper hand as they have F-35s vs non stealth chinese aircraft.
This is a awesome series so thank you! Only thing I wish DCS had was the SM-6 American anti air missiles the latest in the Ageis system. As what I can tell these are built to counter the new super sonic and hypersonic anti ship missiles. The SM-2 although a great missle just is out classed by the new high speed stuff. Is kinda depressing until I realized the SM-6 was designed and is now deployed in decent numbers.
That J-10 is a damn good looking aircraft.
When the Missouri and her group were on their way "out" of firing for the day during Desert Storm. The CWIS on one of the destroyers fired on a missile, and on Missouri's chaffe/flares.
Very enjoyable series, thank you. Wish it was set up in a more more realistic way, mainly on strategic level. For example not getting your forces defeated in detail by sending them individually (like those 2 anti-shipping strikes in this video). But I don't think DCS would be able to handle so much action all at once.
Just found this... 8 months too late...
Absolutely LOVE all the work you put in! these campaign simulations are AMAZING (hint hint Red Storm Rising hint hint)! Loved the general areal battle but it occurs to me, Damp could only find the Spirits using his optical tracker. Would this have worked at night? (Also, I'm pretty sure the USAF is NEVER going to put up a B2 strike with a daylight TOT). Also, the CCP may have tried to achieve strategic surprise by moving their carrier away from their coast and using only aircraft in the Eastern region but, once hostilities commenced (and certainly once they took the losses that they did) they would have surged aircraft/missiles/whatever from all the other military districts. ESPECIALLY once Japan and the US got involved. Sucks that there are no subs in DCS because US/UK subs would DEFINITELY be involved (although I don't know for sure if the standard load out on an American SSN includes TLAMs or if they would have to return to port in order to be loaded). Additionally, I'm not sure that the USAF/USN would try to conduct a limited objective strike with the objective of destroying the PLAAF airfields from which strike aircraft are launching or conducting strikes on the CCP's deep water ports in order to force the CCP to cease hostilities or face starvation both physical and economic.
Need to point out something: No cows where harmed during this fight unfortunately.....
The cows now have taken and are now armed with the missing F-22 Raptors......
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cows have the raptors??
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I think China has two options. Option 1, the least likely for them to accept, is to concede and finally acknowledge Taiwan as a sovereign nation. Like Damp said, I think that would spell the end for the current regime in China. Option 2 would be to escalate the conflict. I think this could either take the form of simply calling in forces from other areas to support their operations against Taiwan, or they could force the allied forces to deal with other issues by opening up additional fronts. Such as assaulting Japan or Korea.
Cap this series is great. Thank you so much for running this. Will we see a European version of this in the near future? Such as a flashpoint centered around the Ukraine?
this war is still quite early, I suspect the northern and southern theatre commands are being vectored to the region now. Meaning more J20s and destroyers showing up.
I think a cease fire would be called and maintain the status quo like the other 3 times PRC attacked ROC plus this time PRC attacked a US and Japanese aircraft and ships in international water. raising this to full war with the US. Pretty much every other nation would be against China. Russia would stay neutral and not help. China would run low on fuel. Do to it being blockaded by the US and NATO. And really everyone would either want the PRC to fall or go back to the Status Quo. The supply chain from china to other nations would be worse then during this current real life one. China might end up having to pay damages to the US but not to Taiwan. The US would pay that.
Fantastic war game! Sad we didn’t get to see the F-22’s engage. I think this should continue where it leaves off. China makes a final push. Have additional US and allied assets on sight. Love this series!
The distance from the west coast of Taiwan to China is the same as Cyprus to Syria. This is a pretty good simulation
I realize this is old, but there were some things mussing in it and today things have changed from almost a year ago.
I love these videos, even if things don't work as planned or when you're limited by the capabilities of DCS.
(Note that everything I'm about to say is in the public domain as information released by the US government regarding NATO/US capabilities.)
First NATO and especially the US have EW aircraft of various types capable of jamming Chinese radar (including on carriers). Since we don't know how good our jamming is, and how bad the Chinese radar is, it's hard to say how effective the jamming would be. I would have to say that thus far, in the history of US/NATO warfare, our systems have been better than anyone thought and our adversaries far weaker than we expected.
The SM-2 is older and being augmented with the new system since 2013. We have been outfitting the fleet with the SM-6 - longer range, multi-purpose, better seekers, GPS guided optional. As well, our radars have been upgraded (with more upgrades coming) not only on our ships, but our planes. As well, all of our ships with VLS launchers may have cruise missiles loaded in some of the launchers. How many would be determined by the mission of the battle group and the particular ship. we are also now deploying improved cruise missiles in the fleet that have better evasion as well as longer range.
I know you said the concept was that the attack was a surprise. That said while there may only be 1 US carrier group in the area at the time, the US would immediately send two more. Note that once a battle group uses it's missiles, it must return to a port for reloading the VLS launchers. Depending on the port they have to sail to, this could put that battle group out of action for a month. For this reason, the US would have to send 2 more carrier groups immediately (one to replace the first one that was used up even if the carrier was not lost, the other for use when that one is used up), and begin to resupply bases in the area with additional missiles. (We'll assume NATO has an unlimited supply of missiles in their stockpiles to make things simpler.)
Some of our ships have had CWIS replaced by rolling missile systems as well. These are more effective than CWIS.
As for today (Oct 2022), we have a new carrier deployed in the Atlantic which has increased the fleet by one carrier group. More ships and planes have been upgraded and we are now hearing about HELIOS LASER systems being fitted onto US destroyers (We are actually about to test one in an AC-130 according to an article I read just this past week or so.
A final note. It's too bad the DCS AI is so troublesome as it lacks some realism that would make these fights much better. For example - plane actually going where told and not flying straight into a swarm of death and instead doing more to evade. That's what we get to deal with though. :)
I also wonder why they would not have China and Taiwan already modeled. That seems like a no-brainer.
Thank you, cap. I hope you've enjoyed your scenario. As a Taiwanese, I can't help but feel bitter the way we were abandoned by the States in 1970's and now face with this impossible predicament, under the world's indifferences and isolation. In comparison to the attention Ukraine got from NATO and US, TWN is just an inconvenient afterthought.
Can't help but compare our defense to that of the battle of Britain. Technology has advanced, but the strategy stays the same - without external help and supply chain, an island defense will eventually collapse.
Not only that we would need external volunteer pilots like the ones Britain got from Canada, United States and 15 other countries, the fearless and relentless convoy of merchant ships for supplies and equipment, a huge loan from the States (31B to Britain in WW2), but most importantly, we have to be astute and reckless as the Israelis to launch preemptive and preventative strikes.
As for the detail on the PLA side:
Three airbases which can reach TWN within minutes have recently been upgraded:
Name, Theatre, coordinate, runways, recent details
Longtian Eastern 25°34′22″N 119°27′41″E 04/22 unknown
Huian Eastern 25°1′35″N 118°48′26″E 04/22 formerly based J-6 aircraft, also used by Ground Forces
Zhangzhou Eastern 24°33′42″N 117°39′17″E 09/27 unknown
In addition, the Eastern Theatre can mobilize the following airbases:
Name, Theatre, coordinate, runways, recent details
Anqing North, Eastern 30°35′00″N 117°03′00″E 06/24 28th Air Regiment, 10th Bomber Division (H-6K)
Baitabu, Eastern 34°34′19″N 118°52′26″E 03/21 95th Air Brigade (J-11B) from 2012, 57th Regiment from 2010 to 2012
Changxing, Eastern 30°58′7″N 119°43′50″E 07/25 8th Brigade (J-10)
Daishan Eastern 30°17′16″N 122°8′42″E 03/21 2nd UAV Regiment
Fuzhou Eastern 26°0′14″N 119°18′46″E 08/26 5th Fendui (J-6 drone), previous home of the 49th Division (J-6)
Jianqiao Eastern 30°20′7″N 120°14′27″E 07/25 83rd Air Brigade (JH-7A/Q-5J)
Jiaxing Eastern/Western 30°42′20″N 120°40′27″E 05/23 84th Air Brigade (JH-7A) (Eastern), formerly operated Q-5 aircraft to 2011, 20th Division (Y-8) (Western)
Liancheng Eastern 25°40′35″N 116°44′46″E 02/20 1st Fendui (J-6 drone)
Luhe/Ma'an Eastern 32°22′40″N 118°47′39″E 06/24 10th Bomber Division (H-6, Y-5D, HYJ-7, WZ-8)
Mahuiling Air Base Eastern 29°28′37″N 115°48′6″E 04/22 76th Regiment (Y-8C/KJ-500) from 2019, former home of the 31st Regiment (J-7E) to 2013
Nanjing Eastern 31°58′19″N 118°50′29″E 06/24 Y-5, Y-7, Mi-171, Z-8, also used by 72nd Army Aviation Brigade
Quzhou Eastern 28°57′59″N 118°53′58″E 06/24 85th Air Brigade (Su-30MKK), J-7-II fighters replaced 2003-2006
Rugao Eastern 32°15′26″N 120°30′10″E 15/33 86th Air Brigade (J-7E) from 2013
Shuofang Eastern 31°29′50″N 120°25′50″E 03/21 77th Regiment (KJ-200, KJ-2000, Y-8T)
Suzhou Eastern 31°15′47″N 120°24′3″E 18/36 93rd Air Brigade (J-8, JJ-7)
Taihe Eastern 26°51′26″N 114°44′13″E 08/26 4th Fendui
Wuhu Eastern 31°23′27″N 118°24′34″E 08/26 7th Air Brigade (J-16), 9th Air Brigade (Su-30MKK, JL-10, J-20), Factory 5720
Wuyishan Eastern 27°42′3″N 118°0′1″E 03/21 41st Air Brigade (Su-27UBK, J-11), 3rd Dadui (J-6 drone)
Xiangtang Eastern 28°25′15″N 115°55′28″E 01/19 40th Air Brigade with J-16 fighters since 2017, 40th Air Regiment with J-11 fighters until 2017
Xiapu Eastern 26°56′30″N 120°4′39″E 11/29
Zhangshu Eastern 28°1′25″N 115°33′0″E 06/24 42nd Air Regiment (J-7L)
Zhuangqiao Eastern 29°55′26″N 121°34′26″E 12/30 1st UAV Regiment
Amazing play through. I’m just imagining how this entire exchange would be altered if nuclear subs were involved . 🤔
Right, that settles it, I'm going to do my PhD in Defense Studies based of your videos.
You really are one hell of a GM Grim.
One thing I've noticed is that you kept saying that the surviving American LHA would be useless. But American LHAs carry some quantity of fixed wing aircraft (Harriers and/or F-35s, depending on timeline) and a mix of helicopters, including combat capable helicopters. The helicopters and some of the fighters would probably be predominantly used in support of a landing force and/or ASW duty, but some of the fixed wing assets could be used for either CAP or anti-shipping.
2:20 Even if airbases get destroyed, Taiwan has been practicing with highways as runways. Yes, there airforce would be degraded, but it doesn't mean they are out for the count. And of course, there are VTOLs available.
Agree but I can not simulate this.
Don't know if anyone has posted this yet or not, but the B2 would only do an attack at night, so they couldn't be spotted visually.
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You know I used to give you shit for talking a lot... I want to apologize. You guys put a lot of effort into this stuff and I really enjoy watching it. I think you do your best to give us the closest to close outcomes That would be available.. I do tend to fast forward it through the technical jargon as my knowledge is so laymates That it's way beyond my comprehension... I am thoroughly impressed with your guys's knowledge of aircraft and weapons systems it is impressive. So keep it up, I take back what I said I actually like your commentary the more I listen. I have subsbribed and liked every video I can see. So keep up the good work fellas. 👏 Seacrest out 🤘✌️
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Wasn’t the charge of the light brigade human error?
Agree with this being the best example. Sending the cavalry on a frontal attack into overwhelming artillery due to a miscommunication about the right target.
I love this channel! Keep doing what you are doing. Can’t wait to dig into this one 😁
My money is on China suing for peace at this point. Taiwan still loses anyway though.. losing their entire Air Force and all 😅
Is it me or did the raptors just land at the airfields? The B2's would have aborted mission without air support. Love the series, appreciate the time you have sunk into this. I kinda feel you have reached DC's max potential, a conflict of this magnitude is pretty hard to capture. IRL China would have moved its navy into defensive and counter reaction points prior to tie up AUKUS forces and any other nation interfering. Sub squads would have been sent to disable communications, cut undersea cables etc and take up firing positions on GUAM and India. Many people forget about India, despite them having a Airforce and Navy which ins't small. China wouldn't have just sent in swarms of ballistic missiles in as they want Taiwan's assets, this includes airfields, dockyards. And capturing military assets is a bonus as they will use them to improve their own military effectiveness. Only when it proved impossible capture would they choose to eliminate. EP1 was supper accurate, though I think the game is a tad biased to the effectiveness to the PL15's.
Kinda sad to see this series discontinued...while I don't think it's creating a really plausible scenario, it is a fascinating exercise in 'what if...' That said, the comments about the US having F-22s stationed in Guam leads me to wonder what the US troops stationed on Okinawa and in South Korea would be doing during all of this...I don't think there's any way that this would go to four days before US forces intervened in large numbers, and not just the carrier group near the China Sea.
I'm repeating this story from memory and can't find a citation for it now, so can't promise it's true or correct, but...
During the American revolutionary war, a tired, depleted American army who had just suffered several defeats and was bordering on surrender approached a British camp.
They were spotted, and a British scout went to his CO to report it. The officer was playing... I can't remember what game it was, and the solider didn't want to interrupt rudely, so he handed him a note. The officer was quite involved in the game, so slipped it into his pocket without reading it. Because of that they got ambushed by the Americans, killed, and the officer's body was found with the note still in his pocket.
There's decent odds that if that solider had just said something, or the officer had read the note, the US wouldn't exist today.
Not sure if the outcome would have been no USA if the officer had read the note. The Americans also had the French fighting alongside, our our attentions were being distracted with French and Spanish issues is Europe and India. No matter what may have happened, USA would've gained independence. And tbh, as a proud Brit, I'm kinda glad as you became great allies over thr next few centuries.
I think we have to see the carrier battle. At this point the carrier battle would make a big difference in China and America’s strategic positions. If the US has two disabled or destroyed carrier groups and a bunch of ultra-expensive stealth aircraft gone, they may reconsider the cost of full commitment to Taiwan’s defense. However if China loses and they now have multiple US carrier battle groups threatening the mainland along with USAF, they are in a position where they really can’t win. The danger for the US then becomes how to give China a diplomatic out and not forcing them to fall back on their strategic nuclear deterrent for survival.
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Cap, only major think I can say as constructive criticism is the B2 would not ingress or egress down the coast like that way too much time spent in harms way, and would of attacked in the dark so as to avoid visual identification too ( Sorry Damp but you would never have got the 2 you did as I doubt you'd have got Tally) but I'm guessing that's down to AI and making lots of boom boom scenario limits and choices .
Definitely the Available PL15s in the relevant theatre command would be massively depleted, if not all used by this point.
Please tell us where the phantom Raptors disappeared too. I can't see them having all been shot down!
Otherwise love this series, and I have no idea if the Chinese would keep fighting!
A few mins before he starts looking for Raptors, I spot them circling the Island's Northeast Hawk Battery, I think they were still there circling, there was just a lot of stuff piled in that location.
I agree no way the B2's attack in broad daylight.
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56:33 the RCS in-game are clearly wrong, Didn't you say the F-22 had like 0,1 m^2 it's listed as 0.0001 m^2, B-2's and F-35's are probably also far too big.
On the other hand, it seems like the J-20's RCS are the same or smaller, but really it is much bigger than an F-22, how much bigger is hard to know.
Doubt high that the Chinese AWACS would see the B-2 at that distance, also it seems the efficiency of the AA systems is unrealistically good. But that might be true for both sides.
The B-2's would probably come in at 15 Km altitude, limiting the ground-based chance to spot them. The F-22's would escort them and probably hunt the AWACS shooting it down or making it run away.
The failure of the cruise missile launch against the picket could have resulted from incorrect targeting data provided the cruise missiles, especially if the cruise missiles were configured as ground to ground. The PLA may have expected the US to hold back to avoid a direct confrontation, and that would mean that the cruise missiles would have a clear shot at targets on the ground. The PLA might also have expected an absence of war ships because protecting the carrier would slow them down, and prevent deployment as pickets. Counterintuitively, taking the carrier out of commission gave that naval strike group more flexibility than the PLA Navy would expect; hence, the cruise missiles had targeting data to strike ground targets on Taiwan.
Finally I love this series .l can’t wait for the next one , I can only imagine running dcs on my laptop lmao
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Don't think they would commit 8 B's, more like 2 or 4. Too much of the feel can't be risked at once.
Gonna throw in my hat on what ifs. In terms of Taiwan fighting, I don't think a Day 5 would be there, I'm going to say that both sides would be defensive around the island due to the loses.
Day 5 would most likely be the two NATO CVs versus their Chinese opponents, the US did lose a carrier, and the Navy would be out to murder something, so the US vs Chinese carrier fight would probably be a deciding factor, the UK CV might just be a skirmish with its opponent to force it back.
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B-52s and B-1s wouldn't be using JDAMs though. They're made to use Air Launched Cruise Missiles such as the Tomahawk. So, they'd be launching from 600+ miles away out of SAM range. That's why the B-52 and B-1 are still in the fleet despite their age and non-stealthiness. Honestly you don't even need to sim them if you want to use them in game (and save server capacity) since they'd never be within a few hundred miles of enemy fire. You could just simulate the cruise missiles attacking en masse. However, those missiles would take a lot of attrition since they're slow and low.
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One thing that hasn't been included I believe is the 7th Fleet's cruise missiles. I don't believe they are out of range, if they are ignore me, but otherwise I could see the remaining ships salvoing every cruise missile they have in an effort to at the very least soak up SAMs while another B-2 strike comes in behind with an additional strike. Along with B-52's and B-1s behind that.
Tomahawk land attack missiles have VERY long range. They'd go after the SAMs. The F-22As would hit the Chinese AWACS.
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The unstoppable aircraft that Cortana keeps encountering must be a bit like the unstoppable resurrected imp in Doom. Can't be killed, walks through walls and solid objects and just keeps coming for you.
lol I remember!
@@grimreapers That imp is probably flying the plane.
After 30 years since Doom came out the ghost imp has found a new vocation.
Where are the B2s?....
oh..there they-
Where are the raptors? I don't see the raptors!
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Very cool war game series Cap!
I don't know that China CAN back down, but it kinda depends on what's been covered on State News Services. If the CCP has been making hay the whole time about how it was such a noble mission for them to do this thing, then they would HAVE to claim victory, along the lines of "We have destroyed the upstart's air force, we have destroyed their airbases (damaged really, but propaganda is what it is), we have destroyed the American Carrier and it's escorts (most of them, but again, we don't have to mention that), All while receiving no losses (and conveniently forget to mention that the only part of their forces that have had no losses would be the heavy bomber fleet). We have proven to the world that Taiwan is Chinese, and will remain so. Satisfied with our chastising the rebel forces, we are standing down so we do not harm innocent civilians." Kinda depends on NOT loosing the Liaoning though in that engagement, which should be going on simultaneously to this action. I don't really know how they'd swing that loss as a propaganda victory... If they don't declare victory and withdraw, then they have to try for an invasion, which I doubt would be very successful given the defenses that would already be on the island
The Americans however, will NOT accept that, not after loosing a Supercarrier and so many of her escorts, not after loosing so many bombers and fighters.
Keep in mind that whatever fighter jets or bombers Americans want in that fight tomorrow, will be in that fight tomorrow, as they do have the whole mid-air refueling thing going on and have sent single seat fighter squadrons to the other side of the world on 24 hour notice. The Taiwan airbases are intact, as are the missile batteries. Cargo planes with extra ammunition and even entire launcher systems, if necessary. 3-4 F-15C (36-48 CAP air frames), 3-4 F-15E Strike Eagles (another 36-48 tactical bombers), 10 squadrons of F-16C (120 multi-role aircraft), maybe another pair of F-22 Raptor squadrons (another 24 CAP aircraft), couple dozen cargo planes delivering missiles and missile systems replacements from other parts of the world all converging on Taiwan is certainly do-able, that would be an extra 250+ fighters. I don't think you'd get any more American F-35's from the Air Force, but you might from the Navy. The US will certainly not empty the inventory, and leave the Mainland US undefended, but it would move a lot of planes, as many as those air bases could support. The US would also be stacking up US Army Infantry and likely sending the 82nd Airborn over, Again, it's been more than 48 hours since war was declared, and while you don't have to model it, you should at least mention how there would be boots on the ground, waiting for a mission into China, or waiting for China to be stupid enough to send troops to Taiwan. Frankly, I would be highly surprised if at least a Battalion of 1st Special Forces Group weren't already there, and nobody bothered to tell anyone else about it. Green Berets can be like that at times, especially if it's Delta. Keep in mind, you've likely also got a bunch of SEALs already in Taiwan too. They would have been part of the Fleet that was just finished getting wiped out.
Considering how involved the Russians have been so far, even if the Russians do get some hits on Americans, and the Americans get some hits on Russians, America can basically ignore that in order to avoid having to go to war with Russia as well. "We have seen no Russian Involvement in this conflict, and understand the desire to voice support for your erstwhile allies, however, further Russian involvement would be unwise at this time, as I'm sure you'll agree." The Russians can simply blame whatever losses they suffer on the incompetence of the Chinese, and withdraw.
You need to keep in mind that it would be absolutely imperative for the US to maintain Taiwan's independence as they make a great deal of our electronics components, not just for civilian equipment, but a lot of the non-classified military hardware as well. Japan and South Korea are of course MORE important for a lot of those products, but loosing Taiwan would hurt a lot, especially in that we are already hurting along those same lines. To be honest, China also makes a lot of our electronics and other goods, but that's more civilian than military gear at this point. No more cheap Chinese iPhones, iPads, and iMacs. Have to wait for those factories to migrate to India and South Korea before you get any more iPhones. Samsung (a Native S.K. Corporation) will be quite happy to sell you a Galaxy instead.
So while the Chinese might be "done" with their war, The Americans certainly aren't about to let them get away with sinking a Carrier. The Chinese Communist Party will have to officially surrender, regardless of what ever they tell the Chinese Public.
The real fight is won in the Strait of Malacca. Once US +allies (India, Australia) blocked that then China's economy runs out of energy within a month. That's the less exciting but real war is won.
@@staubsauger2305 While that will certainly eliminate their financial ability to wage war, and I like the way you think at least on this issue, "Not having money" will not stop the CCP from simply throwing bodies at the problem. There is nothing keeping the CCP from simply ordering the manufacturing companies to keep producing planes regardless of them getting paid or not. If a company refuses, a couple trucks full of PLA will show up and start shooting people until compliance is restored. They've done it before, though it has been a while. They'll commandeer anything and everything that they can use to "win" the war, if it'll help them. While the US has the most powerful military in the world, the CCP has the most boots on the ground by a large margin, and unlike the US that's scattered around the world, all the PLA soldiers are at home. The only real saving grace is that the PLA and the PLAN have no capacity to move those troops over water or by air. Sure, against Taiwan, they can simply deploy paratroopers as an option, but with the American forces that should already be in Taiwan by now, that won't be an easy fight for China, and the US is very experienced at this kind of thing.
Money only matters when the other guy isn't willing to shoot you if you don't keep working.
It’s too bad submarines can’t be simulated. It would affect how the Chinese and American navy’s send forces.
@@andrewfox96 How do you figure?
I think that damaged the F16 was from the RIAT air show that made an emergency landing. They really need to step up there repair game.
Not a criticism. But, I think you are using the B-2 bombers, and the F-22’s incorrectly for the mission. I believe that training doctrine calls for deep penetration raids to be done at night, in the dark, at low level. Then pop up, launch missiles, drop back down into terrain masking to evade, and RTB. I believe the B-1 bombers practice the same doctrine. I could be wrong, but I don’t think so. Could you run simulations on the airfields, ammo points, fuel bunkers, and ammo trains? I think they could be very interesting.
I think China would carry on. Mainly because i agree with the mentioned reasons. And if they do not win quick they would loose their Face completly. This would be easier to bear with a victory. Addendum: I really love your carrier battles. So i would like to see them played out before the next day for this scenario. If not in a Video, maybe just simulate them for yourself if that is easier?
China has no VTOL or STOVL aircraft at current, so their Airstrips getting cut would be a significant blow. They would need to bring in an aircraft carrier to provide air cover, alongside far-flying CAP from bases further inland, while the airstrips were repaired. If i were China in this situation (with the carriers no available), I would bring the southern navy in as an extra defense line, mirroring the Picket, then on the the next day. launch an all out dawn attack from the repaired bases, along with naval advance, covering assault ships. Ifi were playing this in DCS, I would do this in 2 stages of operation, for Server concerns-
Day 5: US SEAD vs China, Carrier vs Carrier in Pacific
Day 6 (part 1): Dawn Assault
Day 6 (Part 2- conditional on success of Part 1): Marine landing operation
If only we can transition from DCS to Arma
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Oh and, please try to stop using the terms "China" in relation to "Taiwan"
Taiwan IS China, Taiwanese people ARE Chinese.
It's actually the CCP vs ROC. Or, even more strictly, Communists in power attacking the administrative capitol of the official government of the Chinese people.
For example:
In your other videos, you say things like "Chinese strike" which is not strictly accurate. That's like saying an American strike against Oklahoma. A CCP strike against the democratically elected government of the Republic of China, is accurate.
Chinese people appreciate what you're doing. Keep up the good work!
For the purpose of the simulation, Ticonderoga can be used to simulate the the Kidd class. In game the Ticonderoga carries 62 SM2, the Kidd in real life caries 68. The Kidd and the Ticonderoga are built on the same frame just like the Kidd and Spruance.
1:07:54 there were still Harpoons on the way :)
Overall I do think that the Chinese would continue and this would probably escalate to a full scale war. The Chinese definitely want to invade Taiwan since it’s always been a goal of their to retake Taiwan and I think an invasion attempt would be a good video for down the line
North Korea and the Chinese would probably make a move for South Korea which would make a good series as well. If North Korea did become another series I think it would probably include a US preemptive strike to take out the North Korean nuclear capabilities and I think that this would show what the US can do when it gets to make the first strike.
The US should be pouring USAF aircraft into the region as well as USN air and naval assets. Remember US ships aren’t exclusively assigned to CSGs, they perform other missions as well.
Remember that their are 2 squadrons of USAF F-15Cs and 2 squadrons of USMC F-35Bs on Okinawa which would have already been engaged.
If the Russians are getting close to the Straights of Tsushima the Japanese navy should be planning to ambush them with aircraft, ships, and land based Anti-Ship missiles.
Also I think that the Guam F-22s would probably be forward deployed to Taiwan and another wing of F-22s would replace the ones originally at Guam.
I think that the British and US Carrier Battles with the Chinese would make good videos.
I think you could add in for the US battle since they are fairly close to Guam to add in B-52 and F-22s in addition to the US Carrier Group to form a pincer. The Teddy Roosevelt Carrier Group should have a mix of F-35s for CAP and F/A-18s for anti shipping as well.
Now that the base that the H-6s were at has been disabled for now the remaining picket ships should fire their tomahawks at them so they can be taken out of the fight. The H-6s should be the absolute priority target for the next mission they are the biggest threat to the blue naval assets.
The Second priority target should be taking out the HQ-9 sites F/A-18s with JSOWs would be good since they can fire more of them than the HARMs.
The Japanese ships that were sent towards the PLAN flotilla along with the two remaining Perry Frigates should move in to finish them off.
China might have one last roll of the dice for one more day, but the Australians, NATO (UK, France etc) and Japan have yet to really make a showing. The scales are definitely against China, so they'd scrape together what they could for one more day (it's not as if communists really care about the lives of their slaves, they only care about attaining and retaining power at all costs).
Well it would already be a full out war remember the chinese attacked the Japanese air craft and the US navy in international water/airspace. IE the chinese fired first with out warning or war declaring. The world would have turned on china. China and US navy have had "encounters" as in unmarked "civilian" Chinese ships have rammed or nearly rammed US naval ships. but never fired shots.
I agree that North Korea and China might attack South Korea in this situation. It would allow the Chinese to leverage their massive ground forces to open up another theater, which the "allies" would have to either abandon, or siphon air and naval assets to engage in. I think that is outside the scope of this video series though.
It's also really important to remember that if the Russians attack the US than that obligates the rest of NATO to fight Russia as well. I didn't really think that the Russians would've dispatched their only CSG to this they would be more likely to make a move for Ukraine or the Baltic States when the US gets more heavily engaged against China.
@@connorparks1130
Exactly. If Putin is going to take Ukraine this would be the time. There is also China's incursion into the shipping lanes in the South China Sea. Would China just sit on that while trying to take Taiwan...or do they think they have the capabilites to do both at once?
Is their a day limit before China, Taiwan, and the United States are forced to engage in peace talks and draw lines based on acquired territories?
Forced by who?
@@eq1373 International pressure.
Wouldn't make for good videos.
@@JChang0114 "International pressure" ? is an illusion. They are words used by one team to justify whatever decision it wanted to make. If you are a small country "International pressure" means a big country telling you what they decided you should do. When you are a big country (USA, China) bowing to "international pressure" is just the cover story for doing what you'd already decided to do.
It's up to you guys when peace talks start.