25:10 the amount of missiles in the air is insane. Props to the DCS engine for being able to handle this kind of air-to-air carnage without inflicting time dialation or anything like that. Outstanding scrap so far!
So, after watching the results of the anti-ship missiles, yes I understand it didn't work in multiplayer and the targeting needs work per the singeplayer test, but I think it's essentially a draw if you factor in some more real-world attributes. For example, once the Chinese threat was gone from their nearby jets/A-to-A missiles, all remaining friendly jets in the air would have been coached and coordinated onto the incoming anti-ship missiles. Per Violet and Matrix, the AIM-260s lock onto the missiles quite well. Add in a real-world data link, expert professional pilots, and dozens of command and control personnel to assign targets (vectors/altitude/deconfliction) plus the SM-2/SM-6 net, SeaRAM, and CWIS, I think there's a very good chance the missiles don't make it through. Finally, a somewhat minor note but it would presumably play a difference in defending this massive anti-ship missile attack. If the USS America is there (and the entire 7th fleet in general), then there should also be the four additional supporting amphibious ships (LSD and LPD) that travel with the LHA/LHD flagship: the USS New Orleans (LPD-18), USS Green Bay (LPD-20), USS Rushmore (LSD-47), and USS Ashland (LSD-48). I only mention them as they collectively have an additional 168 (!) missiles to assist in short-range defense with the SM-2 network due to each ship carrying two SeaRAM weapon systems (8 x 21-round RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missiles in total). Each SeaRAM missile has a reported range of 10 km, so they should have time to see the coming and fire before impact, but it would be close. It also depends on the whole scenario, but I'm assuming they would travel with their assigned Marine Expeditionary Unit that's typically onboard as long as they're sailing in support of the USS America, and either be caught unexpectedly within this naval batal, or be on patrol without carrying the USMC infantry/their equipment due to no planned littoral invasion plans. : )
IRL the f-35 that would be in the air also can act as airborne early warning thank you targeting data to ages defense systems as well using its das contract a tank shell prior to being completed and since upgraded. Some of the block/variants of the sm3 and 6 might as well be an entirely different rocket and have ridiculous performance and the f35 targeting can let them be launched earlier to get a higher chance of success for the engagement worrying about line of sight or over the horizon or even low altitude sea skimming blind spots ships usually have to deal with, even with even with AWACs in the air and a literal fleet of sensors they can't track or even detect out past half of the of missiles Max engagement distances for the latest blocks that are at the far end of their range but can't be detected or painted. Besides you're gonna have F35s up anyway 3 can make a 1200km 360 detection space that's fully passive and maintains their stealth.
Now all thats needed is to update the SM-2 family of missiles in game. IIRC the DCs still uses a fairly old version of the SM-2. Should be using a mix of SM-6 (150 mi range), SM2 SM-2ER Block IVA, and RIM-162 for air defense. Edit: Also worth noting that DCS seems to count the public fire rate for 1 VLS cell pack as the fire rate for the whole ship. So actual launch rates should be 6X - 8X depending on what block of Burke or if its a Ticonderoga.
It seemed that far fewer SM-2s were going out than in previous GR U.S. task force engagements. I remember the sky literally saturated with SM-2s. What percentage of those available for launch actually went out? Hell, there were 2 Ticos and 8 Burkes?
My step father works for a defense contractor here in San Diego that does this exact thing (war gaming scenarios) and PRoC is their focus, His take is that you guys are using US standards for their weapons systems which is a good thing because its worst case scenario (that's what they do also so they plan accordingly and this is how the defense industry plans new systems).
" you guys are using US standards for their weapons systems which is a good thing because its worst case scenario" what if some Chinese systems are superior...? a very BIG if, but an "if" nonetheless.
I wonder what this would look like if you combined the Chinese side with a big drone offence. Given that China is investing massively into drones and that you don't yet have the PL-21 and Type 055 modelled in game, using cheap drones to drain the US' rockets and clutter its radars seems like a realistic and the most salient addition to this scenario.
The US did that back in desert storm as the prelude to their seed missions. That was back in 91 though and Iraqi air defence couldn’t tell they weren’t shooting down actual planes. Modern radars are going to be able to track waaay more targets. They SHOULD be able to differentiate a cheap slow moving drone from missiles moving way faster. Throw massive amounts of jamming and or drone killing EW… who knows really. I also suppose that any drone with a 300 mile range is almost definitely not cheap and spammable. So perhaps not workable in this specific scenario. But for Taiwan I assume there would be a huge amount of drones deployed.
@@grimreapers If you read the announcement about the F-15s carefully they say they will be rotating different aircraft to Okinawa including F-22 and F-35 but that none of this will be a permanent presence. I think the U.S. knows that any aircraft stationed there long term have a high chance of being killed on the ground in a surprise attack. This way we keep units on stand by to fly into the theatre AFTER the fight starts. Makes sense on paper but it does seem like a sign of weakness to the world
@@blueskiestrevor5200 I think the F-35 would make more sense anyway since we're pumping those off of the production line. We'll see what they decide though
Even with this bug with the YJ-12 it is still turned out to a HUGE BOOMBOOM. :D Love this videos mate. Its just makes my day better. Not just because of boomboom but because how interesting these things. I love this military stuff. From weapons to logistics. Everything about military stuff. Love it! Love to watch it after a hard working day! Keep up the good work mate! You got the Meteors working, you got the LARSM working, you got the PL-15 working, you got the Russian asstets wroking with the hypersonic missiles, everything. Go, and make a USA/UK vs Chinese/Russian Carrier Strike Group 2025 fight! Only stuff is that try to launch the YJ-12 from AI J-15 jets or from Human anti ship jets. Maybe that will sort the problem out. If not, use the old YJ-12 and the Russian Anti Ship missiles together!
Yes with the British F-35 exclusively operating in the anti-ship role. Have the American F-35's and F-18 Hornets take off first and then send the anti-shippers in on the deck launching LRASM's.
It would be very interesting to estimate the total value of the assets deployed and losses. Also as role play it could be interesting to let the players chose what assets to deploy, which would be limited to the actual 7th fleet on the US side but the Chinese side gets to pick from their vast inventory. In this "battle" it does not make much sense to use the J10s for example, if the targets are ships simply max out on anti-ship bombers. H6-J and H6-K can carry 6 or 7 YJ-12 IIRC, so one regiment can launch 100 missiles. Estimated cost of a YJ-12 is IIRC less than $2M, so 100 missiles match the cost of a single US destroyer. I'd love to see what the fleet can do against say 800 missiles. Add a few J20 only for cover or recon if you want. 😉
the F-35 weapons bay is being upgraded to carry 6 AIM-120D or AIM-260s and should be in service when the new AIM - 260 missiles are available (Project Sidekick) also a little further down the line is the new GE adaptive cycle engine that provides a 20% boost in Speed, Range and Acceleration.
The Japanese Navy now has 2 Izumo class carriers capable of carrying F35. The Liaoning class carrier has a similar aircraft load out to the Izumo, a fight between their fleets is likely in the future if this scenario were to play out.
**I have not watched the video yet** I'm not sure it can be implemented by anyone other than the designers: AEGIS can datalink and share targeting. Ships with the NTU or equivalent can join, I do believe, and be controlled by AEGIS. That way what always happens here won't occur. 1 inbound gets 37 SM-2s, 1 gets 2, and some get ignored. Rather annoying. F-22's and F-35's also have that ability amongst themselves. Also, replacing some SM-2/6's with ESSM. It's 1:4. Increase short range defense and doesn't need that terminal illumination. Also, the carriers all have that 21-round RAM launcher, in addition to CIWS. I don't think that I ever see RAM get fired. Also, big gator freighters, all have ESSM and RAM (+CIWS), and can operate F-35B. Inbound vampires can also be engaged by the CAP or whomever. E-2D should be able to see them and fighters can shoot on the DL. So can the ships BTW. USN CEC is very powerful. I'm sure this will be great one way or another. You guys put so much work into these. Thank you.
Significant flaw in this simulation: You don't have SAM coverage in Mainland China. If the H-6J's can launch the YJ-21's from basically the coast of the PRC, that means they can do so under friendly PLA SAM coverage, but you're missing that the way it's set up.
Would be nice to see Japan getting involved in a future scenario. The US fleet in this video started pretty much in the area of some Japanese outlying islands. The JSDF acquired F-35B in large part for reactive temporary basing on smaller Japanese islands such as these. A couple of JMSDF aircraft carrying “destroyers” [legally distinct from helicopter/VSTOL carriers] are tasked with transportation and maintenance of F-35B but not necessarily operating from them directly. The public information on their strategy seems to imply that they would drop off a load of F-35B on these islands near Taiwan as a conflict appears imminent and then withdraw to load more from the main islands. JASDF also has F-2, F-15J, and F-35A that might engage intruders. I suspect reaction time would be somewhat slow due to the way that JSDF command system works [paramilitary dependent on civilian leadership approval for actions]. In game, just leaving them as AI on ground with their slow launch time might simulate this. JGSDF does have some good air defenses such as Patriot that might be available from some islands. And of course the JMSDF is likely to have some frigates and destroyers in the area. JSDF also has their own quite good AWACS and MPA. Perhaps a scenario with the US out of position at time of the PLA strike and thus charging in with a fleet late to the fight. PLA goes after targets in Taiwan and Japanese outlying islands, plus perhaps a ground towards Okinawa. Taiwan and Japan defending on their own, trying to bide time until US fleet arrives, coming from position somewhere South of Tokyo.
"It will be in Stealth-Mode, not Murder-mode" .... is I think, the best way, with which to define the two operational parameters of the 35. Well played, sir... Well played. EDIT, now 17 minutes in... What a lovable bunch of knuckleheads you have going, Cap... Kinda makes me nostalgic and wish I had marketable skills as a simulated fighter pilot. Keep it up lads! More laughs == more likes
Can't wait to see what murder mode looks like when they have the additional thrust of it's replacement engine being developed currently. All the aim 260s which I expect to absolutely crush the numbers if it is actually two stages I'm because it could outrange the current 120 by 20% with no other change then what propellant they put in it.moving something with ISP of 260 to 300 plus based on replacing ammonium perchlorate with nitro amines usually hmx traditionally a high explosive like we did for an icbms of of past and considering we now have CL 20 versions of that same propellant of even higher ISP without the risk the addition of literal explosives do you propellant usually causes. Capable of with some work meeting insensitive munition standards.
Here’s an idea, have your 8 main guys each command a Fleet of their own for a truly unique and realistic experience of what world war 3 would look like. Of course I’m thinking end of year episode. Put some time in, some phone calls and Computer power and I think you would have a hell of a viral video.
How well is the SLQ-32 modeled? It would also be interesting to see the NULKA and especially the EA-18G modeled. The Growler is extremely powerful. It pumps out a lot of trons and very intelligently too.
SLQ-32's EW capabilities aren't modeled at all in DCS, nor the SRBOC chaff and Nulka decoys... In real life wargames, EW alone could soft-kill over half of incoming vampires; we definitely need them modelled in DCS ASAP!
Nitpicking: 0.05 meters squared (what Cap said) is not the same as 0.05 square meters (what was written on the screen). 0.05 meters squared is a square five centimeters on a side or 25 square centimeters. 0.05 square meters is 5% of a square meter (10,000 square centimeters) or 50 square centimeters. And obviously, it's minutiae, but since GR is all the way down in the nitty gritty details, I think the distinction is important. Probably you know which is which, and which is being reported from your data sources, but just in case you didn't, I figured I would remind you. Thanks for your hard work and dedication. Love your simulations.
Cap, Do you think the YJ-12s never went for a target because the southern ChiCom AWACS got taken out, and the northern one was out of range to see the ships? Just spit balling. As always, excellent work. Much appreciated.
Perhaps a different tone for the next Taiwan video, perhaps scenarios of the US running a Chinese blockade of Taiwan? Trying to stay unseen with SV-22 osprey or some other transport choppers avoiding a Chinese air/naval patrol that is tasked with spotting and intercepting them. It would be interesting as this scenario might be more realistic as to how a Taiwan war would play out, with the US trying their best to avoid war with China but wanting to discreetly help Taiwan
I think, It's the way the missiles have been fired. I think they have assessed a wave threat and attacked the destroyers. In reality that's what a Destroyer should be doing (so they did their jobs). A destroyer is calculated at something like a life span of 30 minutes in a cold war battle. If the bombers did wave attacks in a more flowing wave, I'm sure that would work better. I'm liking the new Ship models. I think you need to do this again in a 90's mode in a test to see what happens. The destroyers are floating targets designed to keep the carrier safe.
How quick are you planning on adding SM-6 and SM-4 capabilities to the fleet? I feel that the carriers are missing a large part of their defensive capabilities without these vital missiles.
SM-3 and SM-6 make up less than half of the missiles on our destroyers according to one of the guys I met at Pearl Harbor who serves on a Burke but even with so few they are so good that it would make a huge differance.
Great content as always. I am pretty sure that China wants to upgrade the J-20 with thrust vectoring to improve it's manuverability to a SU-27 style of capability but I also am not sure when they want to do this or if it will even happen.
Sounded like they hand waved them away to keep the scale of this scenario more manageable. Japan has islands right where the fleet was too and plenty of assets to defend them.
The scenario was all explained up front in the vid. Taiwan aircraft stuck in their underground bunkers after the Day 1 Chinese missile barrage cratered their runways, and Cap did have 4 Taiwan PAC-3 batteries simulated by 4 ships... but I don't think those actually took any shots.
Hi Cap Regarding a mid/late 2020s US carrier airwing Battle Order did a really good video on what it may contain. In short: .16 F35 Cs .28 F18E/Fs .5-7 EA 18 G .5 E2D .5-9 MQ5 stealth UAV refuelers .3 CMV-22Bs .6-10 MH60 Would be interesting to see in a Naval Fight against China as I'm guessing they would also operate an approx. 55% combat plane mix too. AKA 32 J15s.
Considering this is hypothetically off the coast of China, why was the Chinese air wing so small? Especially if the idea was for an overwhelming decapitation strike on the 7th fleet.
It is probably partly due to the desire for a smooth running game, as well as the difficulty in space alone on the battlefield. There is also the fact that, while doing their best to make a relatively balanced fight, by their own admission they make scenarios that are designed to give America a small margin of victory (But not a guaranteed one). Not that this is wrong, as it does tailor to the American leaning audience, but it is a fact that should be considered when watching these War Games.
@@matthewfriesenactually you're wrong he doesn't favor the US Fleet at all. In fact if you watch enough of his videos you'll see that a lot of times he handicaps them significantly. Also the number of aircraft has to be limited by the capabilities of the server. You can't put everything in or it would literally crash the server. So you have to scale down the amount of aircraft proportionally to be even able to do this
these simulated battles are impressively great at pinpointing future and/or present needs. for instance as i watch the battle, i would think the two best needs for a fleet located off another countries borders would be either, spy satellite capability of real time air space monitoring from the coast inland 100 miles, or high altitude stealth real time air space monitoring for the same area. this way you could at least be observing for incoming assets that are beyond the awacs range. secondly, if you are going to have a fleet off the coast, you might want to consider deploying a few subs even closer inland just along the coast loaded up like surface to air missile trucks, just in case they were needed.
Sadly antisat missiles will destroy most useful satellites on day one of a major conflict between US and PLA. The PLA have already explicitly threatened to do so.
@@timallison8560 It's true, we'd do the same too. It's the first thing that would be done in an actual modern war between two powers. We'd have to launch new satellites every few weeks, which is why we are pumping a lot of money into SpaceX.
About those Anti Ship Missiles going for the destroyers, word is; Commanders of frigates/destroyers would deliberately get between the Missiles and Carrier/s....since the CV is the most expensive, heavily crowd, flagship of the CSG. (don't quote me on that, just something to consider)
8.57 Billion $ on Amarican side and 5.53 billion $ on the chinese side The aircraft and their missiles alone cost more than the entire Defence budget of spain (I am not even counting in the carrier strike group)
Looking at the loss counter - great job adding it by the way - I see that the human losses are not counted. Just curious, could they be counted separately?
for maps like this one would it work to assign the Chinese two blank carriers? With no airwing taking off, just to give them a base to RTB? I don't play DCS so not sure if they need to take off from the carrier or not. This way planes that would RTB are not taking up un-needed missles or attention?
These fight‘s and the realism keeps getting better and better, keep it up. Altho i wonder why the US got more Aircraft right off the Chinese Coast, wouldn‘t it be the other way around if you‘re not playing near the homefield?
The US military has has had a strong presence in the area that has only grown through the last century. I've meet many people who lived in Japan at US military bases.
@@jaredbossart4038 Not more than China though the argument of send a weakened Chinese force because its a "sneak attack" is flawed, China has based on many open source material between 150 - 200 J-20s in service, yet for THE most crucial mission profile they would send 20... knowing the US formations will be predominantly Gen 5 aircraft. They attack from the same single vector instead of from multiple vectors to destroy the EAWACs aircraft. These scenarios while entertaining always feel like they are padded to help the US.
@@lukewhitehouse4103 No. This isn't really a sneak attack scenario. It is assuming a 2025 invasion of Taiwan where China's air force would be very busy with Taiwan to be able to divert hundreds of to the fleet.
@@aauwhatitdo1582 Not sure the small compliment of F-16 and F-5s with outdated missiles no EAWACs aircraft. I would essentially see the Taiwanese air force as a delaying force similar to how the US in the event of the Cold war would throw the Luftwaffe at the Soviets while not having up to date missiles and airframes to delay them. I would also consider invading Taiwan the US would go to war with China, so why are we not seeing the destruction or jamming of the US Satellite networks? Are we to believe China would leave that intact and all of the US command and control assets so they can warn Taiwan of an impending attack?
@@lukewhitehouse4103 With Starlink and the future systems that will be piggybacking the Starlink system, the Uas space systems are far too numerous to destroy. It is similar to trying to wipe out an army with muskets. Taiwan would be a delaying force, but id also not underestimate the usefulness of F-16s with supporting SAM networks in a battlefield. Even if 15 years, 4th generation aircraft will still make up most of chinas air fleet.
The new PL-15 (V2) seem to perform way worse than V1,they couldn’t seem to track the target that well unlike the V1 and Cap if u can mod the AIM-260 than why not also mod the PL-17/PL-21 and J-35 as well
Good fight, but the AIM-260's flight profile doesn't quite make sense. Why both stages directly after each other? It would probably be better if the first served as a booster for the second to build speed and loft the AAM. Then ignite the second stage when you reach the endgame. This would give the AIM-260 performance comparable to that of the Meteor, especially in the final phase.
They are finding a compromise between speed throughout the flight and range. It is better to have a missile that travels 200km in 3 minutes than a missile that travels 500km in 8 minutes. Better time to kill.
I think the US navy needs a 57 or 76mm 3 barrel rotary cannon CIWS of a bolt on bolt off nature to replace the Phalanx. Some of those AShM got way to close.
New sub here. I love these battles. I'm trying to figure out why, more effort is not put into taking down the AWACS? As you know, no AWACS, no extended guidance for the most part.
Dude....do you moonlight for Jane's? Your technical knowledge of weapon systems is outstanding. Oh, and the Navy version of the AWACS is called Hawkeye.
Hey Cap, another great vid 👍🏻 I've been seeing an ad a lot recently for a game called "Gunship Battle: Total Warfare". In it, they show an 'A10 Tigerhog' (obviously just a regular A10), which they claim has been modified for anti-shipping missions. Then they show it firing a couple of AGM-65 Mavericks into a ship, sinking it. Could you and the GR crew test to see if a Warthog could fly anti-ship with Mavericks?
Awesome as always! However, there is no way China could get that many planes in the air without that much activity being picked up by satellite surveillance, and allowing the Americans to get aircraft into the air from the carriers and Okinawa.
Exactly! Why are you the one the few comments mentioning this? You only 2 likes. There is no way Chinese airpower would have this much element of preemptive advantage. US fleet would have scrambled a wave of missles & jets much quicker than this scenario. Though entertaining, these vids seem to have bias towards US being defeated when entering data for simulation.
Whoever did the DW, Boogity Boogity Boogity! Let’s Go Racin! You sir, deserve a medal. The most American possible thing to say as you buzz the tower of an America class carrier on your way to defend The fleet. A bald eagles screeches , as a tear runs down Washington’s face at Mount Rushmore level America shit.
Does the PL15 have its own active homing radar? Doesn't the PL15 require the J20 to guide it to the target? meaning the J20 can't just turn around after launch.
Sadly, Seventh Fleet has been a hotbed of corruption, which makes me wonder about their effectiveness. The “Fat Leonard” story is a sad one, indeed. The rot ran deep, and I wonder how soon the organization can recover. I realize the whole thing went down a few years ago, but it is tough to bounce back from such a blow. For instance, it would be understandable that allies might be more hesitant to share some of plans until their confidence in the integrity of 7th Fleet is restored, and that has to take time. I’m astonished that Francis had such lax security that enabled him to escape, and glad that he was apprehended. Getting caught in Venezuela complicates things, though.
That was pretty bad, but I think it's starting to get better. Most of everyone involved has been charged or is awaiting trail, Francis probably will get extradited, one way or another. My main concern is preventing further issues and from what I've heard from my buddies who are in 7th, they are now really hardcore on opsec and are borderline overdoing counter-corruption work.
@@aauwhatitdo1582 Thanks for chiming in. No surprise that the pendulum swings hard in the other direction. Hoping 7th Fleet has its shit together, that the entire Navy - the entire military establishment for that matter - learns from the experience, and that allies have confidence in our ability to keep things secure.
The problem i see with this is as you said the J20's should launch then RTB which they could not do here so they just kept heading for the US planes meaning they ended up in range.
I don't think China (human player bird) going after the US AWACS is relevant for this type of battle. There would be a massive amount of communication from battle command and the AWACS itself if any incoming jet flanked or even looked at the AWACS wrong, the AWACS would automatically perform defensive maneuvers as needed (even if that means simply flying away or towards friendly cover), and the real world pilots would know to defend their AWACS rather than ignore its defense. Just figured that's worth a comment for sim purposes.
the ai in dcs is very stupid and only does what you program for it to do and it does provide a massive amount of communication and provides intercept data Wardogs
@@jet_novice9901 Yeah I know DCS AI and instructions are very difficult, with very little capability. This is why I believe the AWACS should be off limits for at least *certain scenarios, as it can't defend itself intelligently per a real world scenario.
I know you like doing multiplayer for these but I would really like to just see these in single player but maybe with everyone’s commentary in real time? It just works a lot more consistently and keeps things pretty fair since it’s all just AI like a real simulation. Idk just a thought.
In case you guys should know, this is just the 7th fleet excluding the AFB in Okinawa and the Japanese MSDF... and the Australian Navy/Air force... the 7th is deeply nerfed as far as AOR itself. not accounted with other CTF, and air force components. As i remembered correctly 7th fleet during these excises always play a no win situation just need to hold it out until 3rd fleet and 5th fleet.
The most dangerous two words in the English language just popped up in my mind. What if… What if the LHA/LHD plus planes and escorts were replaced with a Queen Elizabeth class, it’s planes, plus it’s standard escort which I believe is two Type 45s and two Type 23/26 depending on year, and fit the British with Meteors. Similar could be done with the French carrier. For the British swap in the current Canadian and/or Australian ships of the same size classes. I think we can ignore New Zealand, they only have two frigates though they have been upgraded recently (2-3 years) in Canadian yards. Heck, for that matter if you can the Canadian OSPV modelled, I’d really like to see how it’s main gun would do against missiles. Haha. I don’t want much do I. Amazingly educational and entertaining mission today folks. Too bad about the missile coding issues, and your server trying to imitate Chernobyl! But hot damn, it was great.
Can the AESA radar’s detect incoming missiles? I would think the missiles have sufficiently high RCS and Doppler for detection by the targeted aircraft’s radar at some range greater than 0 and less than the max firing range. Can you model that too?
So an R-37 should be detectable, especially when it’s flying 15 miles higher than the target aircraft. At 20 miles away and the missile 15 miles above, the incident angle is roughly 37 degrees. This should reflect some radar back to the target aircraft. The angle will increase to 45 degrees at 15 miles from the target aircraft. Why aren’t these big missiles being detected and fired on?
The air battle went as I expected. Both sides inflicted double-digit losses on each other but the Americans won the day in the air. As for the bomber attack, I don't think the Chinese would not stop at just one wave. They would send wave after wave and even throw in a few ASBMs.
The first wargame with tawian it was a compounding scenario based off the last and that aspect with comment interaction was very interesting seeing the domino's fall.
Actually, China will use combination of JH-7 drones, swarm drones, submarine drones, mothership drones, stealth drone WZ, normal drone CH-4/5/6, etc as first strike. You need more than 5000 anti missiles and anti-air defense to win the drones.
25:10 the amount of missiles in the air is insane. Props to the DCS engine for being able to handle this kind of air-to-air carnage without inflicting time dialation or anything like that. Outstanding scrap so far!
These battles just keep getting better and better.
Here's hoping that such a scenario won't be happening anytime soon.
Hopefully.
thats what i said about ukraine
@@htf5555😂 Putin was watching and said,"Hold my vodka!" 🤣
So, after watching the results of the anti-ship missiles, yes I understand it didn't work in multiplayer and the targeting needs work per the singeplayer test, but I think it's essentially a draw if you factor in some more real-world attributes. For example, once the Chinese threat was gone from their nearby jets/A-to-A missiles, all remaining friendly jets in the air would have been coached and coordinated onto the incoming anti-ship missiles. Per Violet and Matrix, the AIM-260s lock onto the missiles quite well. Add in a real-world data link, expert professional pilots, and dozens of command and control personnel to assign targets (vectors/altitude/deconfliction) plus the SM-2/SM-6 net, SeaRAM, and CWIS, I think there's a very good chance the missiles don't make it through.
Finally, a somewhat minor note but it would presumably play a difference in defending this massive anti-ship missile attack. If the USS America is there (and the entire 7th fleet in general), then there should also be the four additional supporting amphibious ships (LSD and LPD) that travel with the LHA/LHD flagship: the USS New Orleans (LPD-18), USS Green Bay (LPD-20), USS Rushmore (LSD-47), and USS Ashland (LSD-48). I only mention them as they collectively have an additional 168 (!) missiles to assist in short-range defense with the SM-2 network due to each ship carrying two SeaRAM weapon systems (8 x 21-round RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missiles in total). Each SeaRAM missile has a reported range of 10 km, so they should have time to see the coming and fire before impact, but it would be close.
It also depends on the whole scenario, but I'm assuming they would travel with their assigned Marine Expeditionary Unit that's typically onboard as long as they're sailing in support of the USS America, and either be caught unexpectedly within this naval batal, or be on patrol without carrying the USMC infantry/their equipment due to no planned littoral invasion plans. : )
Yeah, that.
IRL the f-35 that would be in the air also can act as airborne early warning thank you targeting data to ages defense systems as well using its das contract a tank shell prior to being completed and since upgraded. Some of the block/variants of the sm3 and 6 might as well be an entirely different rocket and have ridiculous performance and the f35 targeting can let them be launched earlier to get a higher chance of success for the engagement worrying about line of sight or over the horizon or even low altitude sea skimming blind spots ships usually have to deal with, even with even with AWACs in the air and a literal fleet of sensors they can't track or even detect out past half of the of missiles Max engagement distances for the latest blocks that are at the far end of their range but can't be detected or painted. Besides you're gonna have F35s up anyway 3 can make a 1200km 360 detection space that's fully passive and maintains their stealth.
Good insight
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would the ESSM make a difference if they added it?
Make a battle in the city with tanks helicopters and planes please please
Yeah I would love to see that
Some random manpads too.
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Yes do this!!!!
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Now all thats needed is to update the SM-2 family of missiles in game. IIRC the DCs still uses a fairly old version of the SM-2. Should be using a mix of SM-6 (150 mi range), SM2 SM-2ER Block IVA, and RIM-162 for air defense.
Edit: Also worth noting that DCS seems to count the public fire rate for 1 VLS cell pack as the fire rate for the whole ship. So actual launch rates should be 6X - 8X depending on what block of Burke or if its a Ticonderoga.
It seemed that far fewer SM-2s were going out than in previous GR U.S. task force engagements. I remember the sky literally saturated with SM-2s. What percentage of those available for launch actually went out? Hell, there were 2 Ticos and 8 Burkes?
My step father works for a defense contractor here in San Diego that does this exact thing (war gaming scenarios) and PRoC is their focus, His take is that you guys are using US standards for their weapons systems which is a good thing because its worst case scenario (that's what they do also so they plan accordingly and this is how the defense industry plans new systems).
" you guys are using US standards for their weapons systems which is a good thing because its worst case scenario"
what if some Chinese systems are superior...? a very BIG if, but an "if" nonetheless.
@@ylstorage7085 If using standard weapon systems is = worst case scenario, 1 begs to wonder what weapon system does a equal to best case scenario?
Wow. Confirmation that the YJ21 and other hypersonic anti ship missiles are in the works is exciting. I hope you get DF17s and Zircons too.
I can’t wait to see this scenario develop further, the Taiwan campaign was an awesome set of videos!
I wonder what this would look like if you combined the Chinese side with a big drone offence. Given that China is investing massively into drones and that you don't yet have the PL-21 and Type 055 modelled in game, using cheap drones to drain the US' rockets and clutter its radars seems like a realistic and the most salient addition to this scenario.
🤫You can't do that.
The US did that back in desert storm as the prelude to their seed missions. That was back in 91 though and Iraqi air defence couldn’t tell they weren’t shooting down actual planes. Modern radars are going to be able to track waaay more targets. They SHOULD be able to differentiate a cheap slow moving drone from missiles moving way faster. Throw massive amounts of jamming and or drone killing EW… who knows really. I also suppose that any drone with a 300 mile range is almost definitely not cheap and spammable. So perhaps not workable in this specific scenario. But for Taiwan I assume there would be a huge amount of drones deployed.
MALD does that
Instead of low speed drone or loitering munitions just use cruise missiles..the one with highest number of missiles will win..😂
Great battle - but I would doubt the US Awacs would ever come under threat as IRL it would have guided assets to take out the threat as a priority.
Great but I think that all Awacs should be equipped with missiles of their own to protect themselves when other fighters are much too busy elsewhere.
The F-15s in Okinawa are being permanently replaced with F-22s in the near future, announced last week I believe.
thx
@@grimreapers If you read the announcement about the F-15s carefully they say they will be rotating different aircraft to Okinawa including F-22 and F-35 but that none of this will be a permanent presence. I think the U.S. knows that any aircraft stationed there long term have a high chance of being killed on the ground in a surprise attack. This way we keep units on stand by to fly into the theatre AFTER the fight starts. Makes sense on paper but it does seem like a sign of weakness to the world
@@blueskiestrevor5200 I think the F-35 would make more sense anyway since we're pumping those off of the production line.
We'll see what they decide though
These wargames are so good, really enjoy watching how things play out and how unscripted they are.
Even with this bug with the YJ-12 it is still turned out to a HUGE BOOMBOOM. :D Love this videos mate. Its just makes my day better. Not just because of boomboom but because how interesting these things. I love this military stuff. From weapons to logistics. Everything about military stuff. Love it! Love to watch it after a hard working day! Keep up the good work mate!
You got the Meteors working, you got the LARSM working, you got the PL-15 working, you got the Russian asstets wroking with the hypersonic missiles, everything. Go, and make a USA/UK vs Chinese/Russian Carrier Strike Group 2025 fight! Only stuff is that try to launch the YJ-12 from AI J-15 jets or from Human anti ship jets. Maybe that will sort the problem out. If not, use the old YJ-12 and the Russian Anti Ship missiles together!
Yes with the British F-35 exclusively operating in the anti-ship role. Have the American F-35's and F-18 Hornets take off first and then send the anti-shippers in on the deck launching LRASM's.
It would be very interesting to estimate the total value of the assets deployed and losses. Also as role play it could be interesting to let the players chose what assets to deploy, which would be limited to the actual 7th fleet on the US side but the Chinese side gets to pick from their vast inventory.
In this "battle" it does not make much sense to use the J10s for example, if the targets are ships simply max out on anti-ship bombers. H6-J and H6-K can carry 6 or 7 YJ-12 IIRC, so one regiment can launch 100 missiles.
Estimated cost of a YJ-12 is IIRC less than $2M, so 100 missiles match the cost of a single US destroyer. I'd love to see what the fleet can do against say 800 missiles.
Add a few J20 only for cover or recon if you want. 😉
I just came across your channel and wow - this is super fascinating to watch and love your passion while narrating. Subscribed and sharing for sure!
I can't wait to see the SM-3/SM-6 missiles to be added to DCS
We also need ESSM asap... 4 can fit in a single cell
That simulation was so, so impressive. I'm going to join your patreon right now.
aaawww :)
the F-35 weapons bay is being upgraded to carry 6 AIM-120D or AIM-260s and should be in service when the new AIM - 260 missiles are available (Project Sidekick) also a little further down the line is the new GE adaptive cycle engine that provides a 20% boost in Speed, Range and Acceleration.
The Japanese Navy now has 2 Izumo class carriers capable of carrying F35. The Liaoning class carrier has a similar aircraft load out to the Izumo, a fight between their fleets is likely in the future if this scenario were to play out.
**I have not watched the video yet** I'm not sure it can be implemented by anyone other than the designers: AEGIS can datalink and share targeting. Ships with the NTU or equivalent can join, I do believe, and be controlled by AEGIS. That way what always happens here won't occur. 1 inbound gets 37 SM-2s, 1 gets 2, and some get ignored. Rather annoying. F-22's and F-35's also have that ability amongst themselves. Also, replacing some SM-2/6's with ESSM. It's 1:4. Increase short range defense and doesn't need that terminal illumination. Also, the carriers all have that 21-round RAM launcher, in addition to CIWS. I don't think that I ever see RAM get fired. Also, big gator freighters, all have ESSM and RAM (+CIWS), and can operate F-35B. Inbound vampires can also be engaged by the CAP or whomever. E-2D should be able to see them and fighters can shoot on the DL. So can the ships BTW. USN CEC is very powerful.
I'm sure this will be great one way or another. You guys put so much work into these. Thank you.
Significant flaw in this simulation: You don't have SAM coverage in Mainland China. If the H-6J's can launch the YJ-21's from basically the coast of the PRC, that means they can do so under friendly PLA SAM coverage, but you're missing that the way it's set up.
Nicely Done, I can only guess how much production time that took... Thx GR
Pleasure
Would be nice to see Japan getting involved in a future scenario. The US fleet in this video started pretty much in the area of some Japanese outlying islands.
The JSDF acquired F-35B in large part for reactive temporary basing on smaller Japanese islands such as these. A couple of JMSDF aircraft carrying “destroyers” [legally distinct from helicopter/VSTOL carriers] are tasked with transportation and maintenance of F-35B but not necessarily operating from them directly. The public information on their strategy seems to imply that they would drop off a load of F-35B on these islands near Taiwan as a conflict appears imminent and then withdraw to load more from the main islands.
JASDF also has F-2, F-15J, and F-35A that might engage intruders. I suspect reaction time would be somewhat slow due to the way that JSDF command system works [paramilitary dependent on civilian leadership approval for actions]. In game, just leaving them as AI on ground with their slow launch time might simulate this.
JGSDF does have some good air defenses such as Patriot that might be available from some islands.
And of course the JMSDF is likely to have some frigates and destroyers in the area.
JSDF also has their own quite good AWACS and MPA.
Perhaps a scenario with the US out of position at time of the PLA strike and thus charging in with a fleet late to the fight. PLA goes after targets in Taiwan and Japanese outlying islands, plus perhaps a ground towards Okinawa. Taiwan and Japan defending on their own, trying to bide time until US fleet arrives, coming from position somewhere South of Tokyo.
"It will be in Stealth-Mode, not Murder-mode" .... is I think, the best way, with which to define the two operational parameters of the 35.
Well played, sir... Well played.
EDIT, now 17 minutes in...
What a lovable bunch of knuckleheads you have going, Cap... Kinda makes me nostalgic and wish I had marketable skills as a simulated fighter pilot.
Keep it up lads! More laughs == more likes
Can't wait to see what murder mode looks like when they have the additional thrust of it's replacement engine being developed currently. All the aim 260s which I expect to absolutely crush the numbers if it is actually two stages I'm because it could outrange the current 120 by 20% with no other change then what propellant they put in it.moving something with ISP of 260 to 300 plus based on replacing ammonium perchlorate with nitro amines usually hmx traditionally a high explosive like we did for an icbms of of past and considering we now have CL 20 versions of that same propellant of even higher ISP without the risk the addition of literal explosives do you propellant usually causes. Capable of with some work meeting insensitive munition standards.
It would be cool if someone models modern versions of the SM, for a more equal fight
Here’s an idea, have your 8 main guys each command a Fleet of their own for a truly unique and realistic experience of what world war 3 would look like. Of course I’m thinking end of year episode. Put some time in, some phone calls and Computer power and I think you would have a hell of a viral video.
THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR LETS GOO
17:28 "My social credit score is rising faster than my altitude" LOL!! :D
"My social credit score is rising faster than my altitude!"
Hilarious 😂
the aim 260 is so strong i wonder how it'll compare against the meteor
How well is the SLQ-32 modeled? It would also be interesting to see the NULKA and especially the EA-18G modeled. The Growler is extremely powerful. It pumps out a lot of trons and very intelligently too.
EW is barely modeled at all in DCS. Too complicated and too secret
SLQ-32's EW capabilities aren't modeled at all in DCS, nor the SRBOC chaff and Nulka decoys... In real life wargames, EW alone could soft-kill over half of incoming vampires; we definitely need them modelled in DCS ASAP!
I absolutely love what you have done with the wargames series, such an improvement from the taiwan games.
Nitpicking: 0.05 meters squared (what Cap said) is not the same as 0.05 square meters (what was written on the screen). 0.05 meters squared is a square five centimeters on a side or 25 square centimeters. 0.05 square meters is 5% of a square meter (10,000 square centimeters) or 50 square centimeters. And obviously, it's minutiae, but since GR is all the way down in the nitty gritty details, I think the distinction is important. Probably you know which is which, and which is being reported from your data sources, but just in case you didn't, I figured I would remind you. Thanks for your hard work and dedication. Love your simulations.
Do you know how an ugly car doesnt look fast? This is exactly how I feel about J20s - they dont look like they would perform well.
Cap,
Do you think the YJ-12s never went for a target because the southern ChiCom AWACS got taken out, and the northern one was out of range to see the ships? Just spit balling. As always, excellent work. Much appreciated.
Perhaps a different tone for the next Taiwan video, perhaps scenarios of the US running a Chinese blockade of Taiwan? Trying to stay unseen with SV-22 osprey or some other transport choppers avoiding a Chinese air/naval patrol that is tasked with spotting and intercepting them. It would be interesting as this scenario might be more realistic as to how a Taiwan war would play out, with the US trying their best to avoid war with China but wanting to discreetly help Taiwan
Turkey shoot. No helo is getting through the Chinese CAP.
Day 2, U.S. would have more than 4 planes flying cover. Ok now let's watch and see how battle turns out.. great job guys and gals
very true, at least a dozen.
I think, It's the way the missiles have been fired. I think they have assessed a wave threat and attacked the destroyers. In reality that's what a Destroyer should be doing (so they did their jobs). A destroyer is calculated at something like a life span of 30 minutes in a cold war battle. If the bombers did wave attacks in a more flowing wave, I'm sure that would work better.
I'm liking the new Ship models.
I think you need to do this again in a 90's mode in a test to see what happens. The destroyers are floating targets designed to keep the carrier safe.
How quick are you planning on adding SM-6 and SM-4 capabilities to the fleet? I feel that the carriers are missing a large part of their defensive capabilities without these vital missiles.
One more major naval battle before we think about adding it in. Probably 3-4 weeks at a guess.
SM-3 and SM-6 make up less than half of the missiles on our destroyers according to one of the guys I met at Pearl Harbor who serves on a Burke but even with so few they are so good that it would make a huge differance.
You’re also forgetting the ESSM
@@mattseller148 longer range and an upsized AMRAAM radar would be pretty useful against cruise missiles
@@mattseller148 What about rolling airframe and ESSM missiles? They're made for intercepting supersonic maneuvering missiles.
Hey Cap, would love to see this revisited with all of the updates and new assets that have been made lately!
"I wish you all well,....kind've" 🙄
Great content as always. I am pretty sure that China wants to upgrade the J-20 with thrust vectoring to improve it's manuverability to a SU-27 style of capability but I also am not sure when they want to do this or if it will even happen.
@Jake's Tutorials True, and there is a good chance nothing will come of it.
Thank You Cap for using the picture of Pakistani J-10C.
Cool
I think you forgot that Tiwan has F-16Cs, PAC-3A Batteries and THAAD Batteries as well as a healthy supply of light, medium and heavy AAA.
Sounded like they hand waved them away to keep the scale of this scenario more manageable. Japan has islands right where the fleet was too and plenty of assets to defend them.
The scenario was all explained up front in the vid. Taiwan aircraft stuck in their underground bunkers after the Day 1 Chinese missile barrage cratered their runways, and Cap did have 4 Taiwan PAC-3 batteries simulated by 4 ships... but I don't think those actually took any shots.
Hi Cap
Regarding a mid/late 2020s US carrier airwing Battle Order did a really good video on what it may contain. In short:
.16 F35 Cs
.28 F18E/Fs
.5-7 EA 18 G
.5 E2D
.5-9 MQ5 stealth UAV refuelers
.3 CMV-22Bs
.6-10 MH60
Would be interesting to see in a Naval Fight against China as I'm guessing they would also operate an approx. 55% combat plane mix too. AKA 32 J15s.
Thanks.
The model for struck ships is amazing!! Keep up the amazing work!
hmm, Haven't been able to figure out, or missed it or something....
how do the AIM260 maneuver after they run out of thrust and are coasting?
I *think* they have a separate gas generator for the lateral thrusters?
@@grimreapers Thank you
Waking up this morning to a massive battle, hell yah!!
Considering this is hypothetically off the coast of China, why was the Chinese air wing so small? Especially if the idea was for an overwhelming decapitation strike on the 7th fleet.
It is probably partly due to the desire for a smooth running game, as well as the difficulty in space alone on the battlefield. There is also the fact that, while doing their best to make a relatively balanced fight, by their own admission they make scenarios that are designed to give America a small margin of victory (But not a guaranteed one). Not that this is wrong, as it does tailor to the American leaning audience, but it is a fact that should be considered when watching these War Games.
@@matthewfriesenactually you're wrong he doesn't favor the US Fleet at all. In fact if you watch enough of his videos you'll see that a lot of times he handicaps them significantly. Also the number of aircraft has to be limited by the capabilities of the server. You can't put everything in or it would literally crash the server. So you have to scale down the amount of aircraft proportionally to be even able to do this
This just keeps getting better and better.
So how does one get your modded files? I would buy 15 Patreon subscriptions for all your new tech
Love the new(ish) lose counter you use now
We need the Flight IIA Arleigh Burke-class destroyer in game, which can use the ESSM
The Awacs would be protected by a pair of fighters.
probably four each.
these simulated battles are impressively great at pinpointing future and/or present needs. for instance as i watch the battle, i would think the two best needs for a fleet located off another countries borders would be either, spy satellite capability of real time air space monitoring from the coast inland 100 miles, or high altitude stealth real time air space monitoring for the same area. this way you could at least be observing for incoming assets that are beyond the awacs range. secondly, if you are going to have a fleet off the coast, you might want to consider deploying a few subs even closer inland just along the coast loaded up like surface to air missile trucks, just in case they were needed.
Sadly antisat missiles will destroy most useful satellites on day one of a major conflict between US and PLA. The PLA have already explicitly threatened to do so.
@@stupidburp you have me laughing from my gut.
@@timallison8560 It's true, we'd do the same too. It's the first thing that would be done in an actual modern war between two powers. We'd have to launch new satellites every few weeks, which is why we are pumping a lot of money into SpaceX.
God bless Sock and his rising social credit score!
I feel like the single player simulation afterwards wasn't fair since all of the planes in the air were capable of shooting down the vampires
I wish there was a map-maker for DCS, where you could build your own area.
Agree
I wish there was a way to combine DCS with Command: Modern Operations
Love all the ways you try to fix weapons capable and , all the military technology of military assets involved
About those Anti Ship Missiles going for the destroyers, word is; Commanders of frigates/destroyers would deliberately get between the Missiles and Carrier/s....since the CV is the most expensive, heavily crowd, flagship of the CSG. (don't quote me on that, just something to consider)
Been waiting for this.
8.57 Billion $ on Amarican side and 5.53 billion $ on the chinese side
The aircraft and their missiles alone cost more than the entire Defence budget of spain
(I am not even counting in the carrier strike group)
Looking at the loss counter - great job adding it by the way - I see that the human losses are not counted. Just curious, could they be counted separately?
Will investigate. Strange, not sure why humans deaths are not on there.
for maps like this one would it work to assign the Chinese two blank carriers? With no airwing taking off, just to give them a base to RTB? I don't play DCS so not sure if they need to take off from the carrier or not. This way planes that would RTB are not taking up un-needed missles or attention?
when you plan on redoing this battle with flight 3 burkes and type 55?
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Luv these videos...keep up the great work
These fight‘s and the realism keeps getting better and better, keep it up.
Altho i wonder why the US got more Aircraft right off the Chinese Coast, wouldn‘t it be the other way around if you‘re not playing near the homefield?
The US military has has had a strong presence in the area that has only grown through the last century. I've meet many people who lived in Japan at US military bases.
@@jaredbossart4038 Not more than China though the argument of send a weakened Chinese force because its a "sneak attack" is flawed, China has based on many open source material between 150 - 200 J-20s in service, yet for THE most crucial mission profile they would send 20... knowing the US formations will be predominantly Gen 5 aircraft. They attack from the same single vector instead of from multiple vectors to destroy the EAWACs aircraft. These scenarios while entertaining always feel like they are padded to help the US.
@@lukewhitehouse4103 No. This isn't really a sneak attack scenario. It is assuming a 2025 invasion of Taiwan where China's air force would be very busy with Taiwan to be able to divert hundreds of to the fleet.
@@aauwhatitdo1582 Not sure the small compliment of F-16 and F-5s with outdated missiles no EAWACs aircraft. I would essentially see the Taiwanese air force as a delaying force similar to how the US in the event of the Cold war would throw the Luftwaffe at the Soviets while not having up to date missiles and airframes to delay them. I would also consider invading Taiwan the US would go to war with China, so why are we not seeing the destruction or jamming of the US Satellite networks? Are we to believe China would leave that intact and all of the US command and control assets so they can warn Taiwan of an impending attack?
@@lukewhitehouse4103 With Starlink and the future systems that will be piggybacking the Starlink system, the Uas space systems are far too numerous to destroy. It is similar to trying to wipe out an army with muskets.
Taiwan would be a delaying force, but id also not underestimate the usefulness of F-16s with supporting SAM networks in a battlefield. Even if 15 years, 4th generation aircraft will still make up most of chinas air fleet.
The new PL-15 (V2) seem to perform way worse than V1,they couldn’t seem to track the target that well unlike the V1 and Cap if u can mod the AIM-260 than why not also mod the PL-17/PL-21 and J-35 as well
the PL17 is a 6m long mach 6 missile that can be fired at 400+km range, it would just be fired at the AWACs right at the start of the battle.
Good fight, but the AIM-260's flight profile doesn't quite make sense. Why both stages directly after each other? It would probably be better if the first served as a booster for the second to build speed and loft the AAM. Then ignite the second stage when you reach the endgame. This would give the AIM-260 performance comparable to that of the Meteor, especially in the final phase.
They are finding a compromise between speed throughout the flight and range. It is better to have a missile that travels 200km in 3 minutes than a missile that travels 500km in 8 minutes. Better time to kill.
great video! but was just wondering about the australian RAAF paintjob on the US navy f18f at 24:41?
You are missing one big character in US side, EA-18G with new jamming pod.
Suddenly, I have a craving for General Tao chicken
I think the US navy needs a 57 or 76mm 3 barrel rotary cannon CIWS of a bolt on bolt off nature to replace the Phalanx. Some of those AShM got way to close.
Damp was cracking me up with his Pooh-loyalty. 🤣
Damp really likes to get in character.
@@grimreapers Between him and "Grumpnik"...never a dull moment. 😆
New sub here.
I love these battles. I'm trying to figure out why, more effort is not put into taking down the AWACS? As you know, no AWACS, no extended guidance for the most part.
Dude....do you moonlight for Jane's? Your technical knowledge of weapon systems is outstanding. Oh, and the Navy version of the AWACS is called Hawkeye.
TBH I am mainly learning from you guys lols.
Hey Cap, another great vid 👍🏻
I've been seeing an ad a lot recently for a game called "Gunship Battle: Total Warfare". In it, they show an 'A10 Tigerhog' (obviously just a regular A10), which they claim has been modified for anti-shipping missions. Then they show it firing a couple of AGM-65 Mavericks into a ship, sinking it. Could you and the GR crew test to see if a Warthog could fly anti-ship with Mavericks?
Well i actually playing the game today, I got an A-10 for Ground attacks against armada bases
Awesome as always! However, there is no way China could get that many planes in the air without that much activity being picked up by satellite surveillance, and allowing the Americans to get aircraft into the air from the carriers and Okinawa.
Exactly! Why are you the one the few comments mentioning this? You only 2 likes. There is no way Chinese airpower would have this much element of preemptive advantage. US fleet would have scrambled a wave of missles & jets much quicker than this scenario. Though entertaining, these vids seem to have bias towards US being defeated when entering data for simulation.
Whoever did the DW, Boogity Boogity Boogity! Let’s Go Racin!
You sir, deserve a medal. The most American possible thing to say as you buzz the tower of an America class carrier on your way to defend The fleet.
A bald eagles screeches , as a tear runs down Washington’s face at Mount Rushmore level America shit.
So I've just started watching these vids, extremely impressed. My only question is how "realistic" would this battle be?
About as accurate as Super Mario Brothers Is to being an actual Italian plumber.
LOL...well all righty then.
Lol this is a video based on classified aircraft.....definitely a fairytale
Does the PL15 have its own active homing radar? Doesn't the PL15 require the J20 to guide it to the target? meaning the J20 can't just turn around after launch.
the PL15 is definitely active radar
PL-15 is active. J-20 can turn around yes BUT AI pilots do not understand how to do that.
Could the RAAF defend a attack from the Chinese either land or sea
The radar reflector under the left belly of J-20 need to be removed tho
They now have 2 carrier strike groups in the S China Sea. How would that fare? What about Subs? Could DCS handle the missiles launched on both groups?
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Sadly, Seventh Fleet has been a hotbed of corruption, which makes me wonder about their effectiveness. The “Fat Leonard” story is a sad one, indeed. The rot ran deep, and I wonder how soon the organization can recover. I realize the whole thing went down a few years ago, but it is tough to bounce back from such a blow. For instance, it would be understandable that allies might be more hesitant to share some of plans until their confidence in the integrity of 7th Fleet is restored, and that has to take time. I’m astonished that Francis had such lax security that enabled him to escape, and glad that he was apprehended. Getting caught in Venezuela complicates things, though.
That was pretty bad, but I think it's starting to get better. Most of everyone involved has been charged or is awaiting trail, Francis probably will get extradited, one way or another. My main concern is preventing further issues and from what I've heard from my buddies who are in 7th, they are now really hardcore on opsec and are borderline overdoing counter-corruption work.
@@aauwhatitdo1582 Thanks for chiming in. No surprise that the pendulum swings hard in the other direction. Hoping 7th Fleet has its shit together, that the entire Navy - the entire military establishment for that matter - learns from the experience, and that allies have confidence in our ability to keep things secure.
The problem i see with this is as you said the J20's should launch then RTB which they could not do here so they just kept heading for the US planes meaning they ended up in range.
I don't think China (human player bird) going after the US AWACS is relevant for this type of battle. There would be a massive amount of communication from battle command and the AWACS itself if any incoming jet flanked or even looked at the AWACS wrong, the AWACS would automatically perform defensive maneuvers as needed (even if that means simply flying away or towards friendly cover), and the real world pilots would know to defend their AWACS rather than ignore its defense. Just figured that's worth a comment for sim purposes.
the ai in dcs is very stupid and only does what you program for it to do and it does provide a massive amount of communication and provides intercept data
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I'm sure the AWACS would be flying over destroyer cover also. They wouldn't leave him out there to hang.
@@t.r.4496 possibly but hard to tell
@@jet_novice9901 Yeah I know DCS AI and instructions are very difficult, with very little capability. This is why I believe the AWACS should be off limits for at least *certain scenarios, as it can't defend itself intelligently per a real world scenario.
I know you like doing multiplayer for these but I would really like to just see these in single player but maybe with everyone’s commentary in real time? It just works a lot more consistently and keeps things pretty fair since it’s all just AI like a real simulation. Idk just a thought.
Why do y'all ask such dumb questions? The US Navy could give the combined force of the world's next 8 best Navy's combined a run.
In case you guys should know, this is just the 7th fleet excluding the AFB in Okinawa and the Japanese MSDF... and the Australian Navy/Air force... the 7th is deeply nerfed as far as AOR itself. not accounted with other CTF, and air force components. As i remembered correctly 7th fleet during these excises always play a no win situation just need to hold it out until 3rd fleet and 5th fleet.
The most dangerous two words in the English language just popped up in my mind.
What if…
What if the LHA/LHD plus planes and escorts were replaced with a Queen Elizabeth class, it’s planes, plus it’s standard escort which I believe is two Type 45s and two Type 23/26 depending on year, and fit the British with Meteors.
Similar could be done with the French carrier.
For the British swap in the current Canadian and/or Australian ships of the same size classes. I think we can ignore New Zealand, they only have two frigates though they have been upgraded recently (2-3 years) in Canadian yards.
Heck, for that matter if you can the Canadian OSPV modelled, I’d really like to see how it’s main gun would do against missiles.
Haha. I don’t want much do I.
Amazingly educational and entertaining mission today folks. Too bad about the missile coding issues, and your server trying to imitate Chernobyl!
But hot damn, it was great.
Can the AESA radar’s detect incoming missiles? I would think the missiles have sufficiently high RCS and Doppler for detection by the targeted aircraft’s radar at some range greater than 0 and less than the max firing range. Can you model that too?
It can detect missiles with bodies over 35cm diameter, so that's pretty much only the Air to Ground missiles.
So an R-37 should be detectable, especially when it’s flying 15 miles higher than the target aircraft. At 20 miles away and the missile 15 miles above, the incident angle is roughly 37 degrees. This should reflect some radar back to the target aircraft. The angle will increase to 45 degrees at 15 miles from the target aircraft. Why aren’t these big missiles being detected and fired on?
Love the 'ol’ DW reference. BOOGITY, BOOGITY, BOOGITY LETS GO RACIN BOYS!
The air battle went as I expected. Both sides inflicted double-digit losses on each other but the Americans won the day in the air.
As for the bomber attack, I don't think the Chinese would not stop at just one wave. They would send wave after wave and even throw in a few ASBMs.
The first wargame with tawian it was a compounding scenario based off the last and that aspect with comment interaction was very interesting seeing the domino's fall.
In the tacview at 07:14:09 a "Parachutist" was shot down by a PL-15 lmao
Actually, China will use combination of JH-7 drones, swarm drones, submarine drones, mothership drones, stealth drone WZ, normal drone CH-4/5/6, etc as first strike. You need more than 5000 anti missiles and anti-air defense to win the drones.