25:10 the amount of missiles in the air is insane. Props to the DCS engine for being able to handle this kind of air-to-air carnage without inflicting time dialation or anything like that. Outstanding scrap so far!
So, after watching the results of the anti-ship missiles, yes I understand it didn't work in multiplayer and the targeting needs work per the singeplayer test, but I think it's essentially a draw if you factor in some more real-world attributes. For example, once the Chinese threat was gone from their nearby jets/A-to-A missiles, all remaining friendly jets in the air would have been coached and coordinated onto the incoming anti-ship missiles. Per Violet and Matrix, the AIM-260s lock onto the missiles quite well. Add in a real-world data link, expert professional pilots, and dozens of command and control personnel to assign targets (vectors/altitude/deconfliction) plus the SM-2/SM-6 net, SeaRAM, and CWIS, I think there's a very good chance the missiles don't make it through. Finally, a somewhat minor note but it would presumably play a difference in defending this massive anti-ship missile attack. If the USS America is there (and the entire 7th fleet in general), then there should also be the four additional supporting amphibious ships (LSD and LPD) that travel with the LHA/LHD flagship: the USS New Orleans (LPD-18), USS Green Bay (LPD-20), USS Rushmore (LSD-47), and USS Ashland (LSD-48). I only mention them as they collectively have an additional 168 (!) missiles to assist in short-range defense with the SM-2 network due to each ship carrying two SeaRAM weapon systems (8 x 21-round RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missiles in total). Each SeaRAM missile has a reported range of 10 km, so they should have time to see the coming and fire before impact, but it would be close. It also depends on the whole scenario, but I'm assuming they would travel with their assigned Marine Expeditionary Unit that's typically onboard as long as they're sailing in support of the USS America, and either be caught unexpectedly within this naval batal, or be on patrol without carrying the USMC infantry/their equipment due to no planned littoral invasion plans. : )
IRL the f-35 that would be in the air also can act as airborne early warning thank you targeting data to ages defense systems as well using its das contract a tank shell prior to being completed and since upgraded. Some of the block/variants of the sm3 and 6 might as well be an entirely different rocket and have ridiculous performance and the f35 targeting can let them be launched earlier to get a higher chance of success for the engagement worrying about line of sight or over the horizon or even low altitude sea skimming blind spots ships usually have to deal with, even with even with AWACs in the air and a literal fleet of sensors they can't track or even detect out past half of the of missiles Max engagement distances for the latest blocks that are at the far end of their range but can't be detected or painted. Besides you're gonna have F35s up anyway 3 can make a 1200km 360 detection space that's fully passive and maintains their stealth.
Now all thats needed is to update the SM-2 family of missiles in game. IIRC the DCs still uses a fairly old version of the SM-2. Should be using a mix of SM-6 (150 mi range), SM2 SM-2ER Block IVA, and RIM-162 for air defense. Edit: Also worth noting that DCS seems to count the public fire rate for 1 VLS cell pack as the fire rate for the whole ship. So actual launch rates should be 6X - 8X depending on what block of Burke or if its a Ticonderoga.
It seemed that far fewer SM-2s were going out than in previous GR U.S. task force engagements. I remember the sky literally saturated with SM-2s. What percentage of those available for launch actually went out? Hell, there were 2 Ticos and 8 Burkes?
My step father works for a defense contractor here in San Diego that does this exact thing (war gaming scenarios) and PRoC is their focus, His take is that you guys are using US standards for their weapons systems which is a good thing because its worst case scenario (that's what they do also so they plan accordingly and this is how the defense industry plans new systems).
" you guys are using US standards for their weapons systems which is a good thing because its worst case scenario" what if some Chinese systems are superior...? a very BIG if, but an "if" nonetheless.
I wonder what this would look like if you combined the Chinese side with a big drone offence. Given that China is investing massively into drones and that you don't yet have the PL-21 and Type 055 modelled in game, using cheap drones to drain the US' rockets and clutter its radars seems like a realistic and the most salient addition to this scenario.
The US did that back in desert storm as the prelude to their seed missions. That was back in 91 though and Iraqi air defence couldn’t tell they weren’t shooting down actual planes. Modern radars are going to be able to track waaay more targets. They SHOULD be able to differentiate a cheap slow moving drone from missiles moving way faster. Throw massive amounts of jamming and or drone killing EW… who knows really. I also suppose that any drone with a 300 mile range is almost definitely not cheap and spammable. So perhaps not workable in this specific scenario. But for Taiwan I assume there would be a huge amount of drones deployed.
@@grimreapers If you read the announcement about the F-15s carefully they say they will be rotating different aircraft to Okinawa including F-22 and F-35 but that none of this will be a permanent presence. I think the U.S. knows that any aircraft stationed there long term have a high chance of being killed on the ground in a surprise attack. This way we keep units on stand by to fly into the theatre AFTER the fight starts. Makes sense on paper but it does seem like a sign of weakness to the world
@@blueskiestrevor5200 I think the F-35 would make more sense anyway since we're pumping those off of the production line. We'll see what they decide though
How quick are you planning on adding SM-6 and SM-4 capabilities to the fleet? I feel that the carriers are missing a large part of their defensive capabilities without these vital missiles.
SM-3 and SM-6 make up less than half of the missiles on our destroyers according to one of the guys I met at Pearl Harbor who serves on a Burke but even with so few they are so good that it would make a huge differance.
**I have not watched the video yet** I'm not sure it can be implemented by anyone other than the designers: AEGIS can datalink and share targeting. Ships with the NTU or equivalent can join, I do believe, and be controlled by AEGIS. That way what always happens here won't occur. 1 inbound gets 37 SM-2s, 1 gets 2, and some get ignored. Rather annoying. F-22's and F-35's also have that ability amongst themselves. Also, replacing some SM-2/6's with ESSM. It's 1:4. Increase short range defense and doesn't need that terminal illumination. Also, the carriers all have that 21-round RAM launcher, in addition to CIWS. I don't think that I ever see RAM get fired. Also, big gator freighters, all have ESSM and RAM (+CIWS), and can operate F-35B. Inbound vampires can also be engaged by the CAP or whomever. E-2D should be able to see them and fighters can shoot on the DL. So can the ships BTW. USN CEC is very powerful. I'm sure this will be great one way or another. You guys put so much work into these. Thank you.
Significant flaw in this simulation: You don't have SAM coverage in Mainland China. If the H-6J's can launch the YJ-21's from basically the coast of the PRC, that means they can do so under friendly PLA SAM coverage, but you're missing that the way it's set up.
The Japanese Navy now has 2 Izumo class carriers capable of carrying F35. The Liaoning class carrier has a similar aircraft load out to the Izumo, a fight between their fleets is likely in the future if this scenario were to play out.
It would be very interesting to estimate the total value of the assets deployed and losses. Also as role play it could be interesting to let the players chose what assets to deploy, which would be limited to the actual 7th fleet on the US side but the Chinese side gets to pick from their vast inventory. In this "battle" it does not make much sense to use the J10s for example, if the targets are ships simply max out on anti-ship bombers. H6-J and H6-K can carry 6 or 7 YJ-12 IIRC, so one regiment can launch 100 missiles. Estimated cost of a YJ-12 is IIRC less than $2M, so 100 missiles match the cost of a single US destroyer. I'd love to see what the fleet can do against say 800 missiles. Add a few J20 only for cover or recon if you want. 😉
the F-35 weapons bay is being upgraded to carry 6 AIM-120D or AIM-260s and should be in service when the new AIM - 260 missiles are available (Project Sidekick) also a little further down the line is the new GE adaptive cycle engine that provides a 20% boost in Speed, Range and Acceleration.
How well is the SLQ-32 modeled? It would also be interesting to see the NULKA and especially the EA-18G modeled. The Growler is extremely powerful. It pumps out a lot of trons and very intelligently too.
SLQ-32's EW capabilities aren't modeled at all in DCS, nor the SRBOC chaff and Nulka decoys... In real life wargames, EW alone could soft-kill over half of incoming vampires; we definitely need them modelled in DCS ASAP!
Would be nice to see Japan getting involved in a future scenario. The US fleet in this video started pretty much in the area of some Japanese outlying islands. The JSDF acquired F-35B in large part for reactive temporary basing on smaller Japanese islands such as these. A couple of JMSDF aircraft carrying “destroyers” [legally distinct from helicopter/VSTOL carriers] are tasked with transportation and maintenance of F-35B but not necessarily operating from them directly. The public information on their strategy seems to imply that they would drop off a load of F-35B on these islands near Taiwan as a conflict appears imminent and then withdraw to load more from the main islands. JASDF also has F-2, F-15J, and F-35A that might engage intruders. I suspect reaction time would be somewhat slow due to the way that JSDF command system works [paramilitary dependent on civilian leadership approval for actions]. In game, just leaving them as AI on ground with their slow launch time might simulate this. JGSDF does have some good air defenses such as Patriot that might be available from some islands. And of course the JMSDF is likely to have some frigates and destroyers in the area. JSDF also has their own quite good AWACS and MPA. Perhaps a scenario with the US out of position at time of the PLA strike and thus charging in with a fleet late to the fight. PLA goes after targets in Taiwan and Japanese outlying islands, plus perhaps a ground towards Okinawa. Taiwan and Japan defending on their own, trying to bide time until US fleet arrives, coming from position somewhere South of Tokyo.
Considering this is hypothetically off the coast of China, why was the Chinese air wing so small? Especially if the idea was for an overwhelming decapitation strike on the 7th fleet.
It is probably partly due to the desire for a smooth running game, as well as the difficulty in space alone on the battlefield. There is also the fact that, while doing their best to make a relatively balanced fight, by their own admission they make scenarios that are designed to give America a small margin of victory (But not a guaranteed one). Not that this is wrong, as it does tailor to the American leaning audience, but it is a fact that should be considered when watching these War Games.
@@matthewfriesenactually you're wrong he doesn't favor the US Fleet at all. In fact if you watch enough of his videos you'll see that a lot of times he handicaps them significantly. Also the number of aircraft has to be limited by the capabilities of the server. You can't put everything in or it would literally crash the server. So you have to scale down the amount of aircraft proportionally to be even able to do this
I don't think China (human player bird) going after the US AWACS is relevant for this type of battle. There would be a massive amount of communication from battle command and the AWACS itself if any incoming jet flanked or even looked at the AWACS wrong, the AWACS would automatically perform defensive maneuvers as needed (even if that means simply flying away or towards friendly cover), and the real world pilots would know to defend their AWACS rather than ignore its defense. Just figured that's worth a comment for sim purposes.
the ai in dcs is very stupid and only does what you program for it to do and it does provide a massive amount of communication and provides intercept data Wardogs
@@jet_novice9901 Yeah I know DCS AI and instructions are very difficult, with very little capability. This is why I believe the AWACS should be off limits for at least *certain scenarios, as it can't defend itself intelligently per a real world scenario.
Even with this bug with the YJ-12 it is still turned out to a HUGE BOOMBOOM. :D Love this videos mate. Its just makes my day better. Not just because of boomboom but because how interesting these things. I love this military stuff. From weapons to logistics. Everything about military stuff. Love it! Love to watch it after a hard working day! Keep up the good work mate! You got the Meteors working, you got the LARSM working, you got the PL-15 working, you got the Russian asstets wroking with the hypersonic missiles, everything. Go, and make a USA/UK vs Chinese/Russian Carrier Strike Group 2025 fight! Only stuff is that try to launch the YJ-12 from AI J-15 jets or from Human anti ship jets. Maybe that will sort the problem out. If not, use the old YJ-12 and the Russian Anti Ship missiles together!
Yes with the British F-35 exclusively operating in the anti-ship role. Have the American F-35's and F-18 Hornets take off first and then send the anti-shippers in on the deck launching LRASM's.
Good fight, but the AIM-260's flight profile doesn't quite make sense. Why both stages directly after each other? It would probably be better if the first served as a booster for the second to build speed and loft the AAM. Then ignite the second stage when you reach the endgame. This would give the AIM-260 performance comparable to that of the Meteor, especially in the final phase.
They are finding a compromise between speed throughout the flight and range. It is better to have a missile that travels 200km in 3 minutes than a missile that travels 500km in 8 minutes. Better time to kill.
"It will be in Stealth-Mode, not Murder-mode" .... is I think, the best way, with which to define the two operational parameters of the 35. Well played, sir... Well played. EDIT, now 17 minutes in... What a lovable bunch of knuckleheads you have going, Cap... Kinda makes me nostalgic and wish I had marketable skills as a simulated fighter pilot. Keep it up lads! More laughs == more likes
Can't wait to see what murder mode looks like when they have the additional thrust of it's replacement engine being developed currently. All the aim 260s which I expect to absolutely crush the numbers if it is actually two stages I'm because it could outrange the current 120 by 20% with no other change then what propellant they put in it.moving something with ISP of 260 to 300 plus based on replacing ammonium perchlorate with nitro amines usually hmx traditionally a high explosive like we did for an icbms of of past and considering we now have CL 20 versions of that same propellant of even higher ISP without the risk the addition of literal explosives do you propellant usually causes. Capable of with some work meeting insensitive munition standards.
Sounded like they hand waved them away to keep the scale of this scenario more manageable. Japan has islands right where the fleet was too and plenty of assets to defend them.
The scenario was all explained up front in the vid. Taiwan aircraft stuck in their underground bunkers after the Day 1 Chinese missile barrage cratered their runways, and Cap did have 4 Taiwan PAC-3 batteries simulated by 4 ships... but I don't think those actually took any shots.
PLA has recently greatly increased training time and quality for pilots. Expect similar capabilities to green US pilots just qualified for type. They have less air time but not that far behind the US and they get a lot of theory and simulator time now.
@@JLH111176 UK didn't send them. The Chinese put out a call looking for retired NATO pilots looking to go private contractor. If I recall the UK actually published multiple statements trying to discourage it.
Here’s an idea, have your 8 main guys each command a Fleet of their own for a truly unique and realistic experience of what world war 3 would look like. Of course I’m thinking end of year episode. Put some time in, some phone calls and Computer power and I think you would have a hell of a viral video.
Cap, Do you think the YJ-12s never went for a target because the southern ChiCom AWACS got taken out, and the northern one was out of range to see the ships? Just spit balling. As always, excellent work. Much appreciated.
Does the PL15 have its own active homing radar? Doesn't the PL15 require the J20 to guide it to the target? meaning the J20 can't just turn around after launch.
I think, It's the way the missiles have been fired. I think they have assessed a wave threat and attacked the destroyers. In reality that's what a Destroyer should be doing (so they did their jobs). A destroyer is calculated at something like a life span of 30 minutes in a cold war battle. If the bombers did wave attacks in a more flowing wave, I'm sure that would work better. I'm liking the new Ship models. I think you need to do this again in a 90's mode in a test to see what happens. The destroyers are floating targets designed to keep the carrier safe.
Can the AESA radar’s detect incoming missiles? I would think the missiles have sufficiently high RCS and Doppler for detection by the targeted aircraft’s radar at some range greater than 0 and less than the max firing range. Can you model that too?
So an R-37 should be detectable, especially when it’s flying 15 miles higher than the target aircraft. At 20 miles away and the missile 15 miles above, the incident angle is roughly 37 degrees. This should reflect some radar back to the target aircraft. The angle will increase to 45 degrees at 15 miles from the target aircraft. Why aren’t these big missiles being detected and fired on?
8.57 Billion $ on Amarican side and 5.53 billion $ on the chinese side The aircraft and their missiles alone cost more than the entire Defence budget of spain (I am not even counting in the carrier strike group)
Nitpicking: 0.05 meters squared (what Cap said) is not the same as 0.05 square meters (what was written on the screen). 0.05 meters squared is a square five centimeters on a side or 25 square centimeters. 0.05 square meters is 5% of a square meter (10,000 square centimeters) or 50 square centimeters. And obviously, it's minutiae, but since GR is all the way down in the nitty gritty details, I think the distinction is important. Probably you know which is which, and which is being reported from your data sources, but just in case you didn't, I figured I would remind you. Thanks for your hard work and dedication. Love your simulations.
for maps like this one would it work to assign the Chinese two blank carriers? With no airwing taking off, just to give them a base to RTB? I don't play DCS so not sure if they need to take off from the carrier or not. This way planes that would RTB are not taking up un-needed missles or attention?
I think the US navy needs a 57 or 76mm 3 barrel rotary cannon CIWS of a bolt on bolt off nature to replace the Phalanx. Some of those AShM got way to close.
Perhaps a different tone for the next Taiwan video, perhaps scenarios of the US running a Chinese blockade of Taiwan? Trying to stay unseen with SV-22 osprey or some other transport choppers avoiding a Chinese air/naval patrol that is tasked with spotting and intercepting them. It would be interesting as this scenario might be more realistic as to how a Taiwan war would play out, with the US trying their best to avoid war with China but wanting to discreetly help Taiwan
The new PL-15 (V2) seem to perform way worse than V1,they couldn’t seem to track the target that well unlike the V1 and Cap if u can mod the AIM-260 than why not also mod the PL-17/PL-21 and J-35 as well
Are you sure you have the Carrier aircraft launch times right; I suspect they would be faster. The quoted rate on a Nimitz is one aircraft every 20 seconds, using all four cats. So about half an hour for 90 aircraft. Landing them is a lot slower. Your version was 4-6 times that and only showed 2 cats.
Strange that you use weapons that haven’t entered service for now, is that not a bit cheating? And PL-15 can be retarget if the initial target are missed, AWACS can give them new targets via data links, including against ships, if that was made this battle would have been way more messy…
In a real sea battle between these super powers. I think 🇺🇸 would actually be shocked at the losses sustained on both sides. Plane on plane at 100 miles would hit each other with missiles. The Navy would have half the fleet hit by Chinese ship missiles. Just damage only not even sinking would put majority of boats out of action. Then the search and rescue would be very sparse in picking up pilots. The first week would probably destroy both sides equally which is a loss for both sides. Think about half a carrier of planes downed in the ocean. It would be a major loss. And if the Chinese did sink a aircraft carrier that would be humongous loss for Americans.
When you're talking about the H-6j attack @12:37 and the use of the YJ-12 anti-ship missiles, specifically the seeker-head and the program ability to go after specific ships; I'd like to raise the question of how did the H-6j weapons officer get the specific position of the 7th Fleet? If they got it from a RORSAT then that data should be several hours old and they would need Ocean Recon variant of the TU-95 Bear to program the seeker-heads on the YJ-12. Furthermore these TU-95 Recon aircraft would need to turn on their radars to get a more precise position of the CV and be at the leading edge of the attack in order to rely the info back to the bombers. The simulation should include these types of aircraft because if the TU-95's get shot down before they can relay the coords to the H-6j's then the H-6j's would effectively be firing blind or would be forced to turn on their radars. I mention this because the USN ELINT capability is extraordinary and the USN would have attack subs off the coast of China with their ESM antennas up monitoring this type of raid. The info would get passed to the 7th fleet in a matter of seconds and it's doubtful the H-6j's would be able to launch because the TU-95's would be blown out of the air by CAP. Edit: Yes I know you are sending KJ-2000's but theres no info if these can relay targeting package info to the H-6j's. Also, and this is a BIG one, they can only track 100 targets at a time. Plus the USN has the ability to jam these type of phased array AWACS. Even if they did have the tech to relay target package info to the H-6j's, the KJ-2000's would need to get extremely close to the surface ships to burn-through the jamming.
Did the missiles overshoot due to losing data from the shot down AWACs? The 2nd one was quite far back and the last local friendly aircraft mopped up. Do they need any data input? My 2nd guess is that they had been shot down, but something's up with the damage model which meant a ghost version kept going.
these simulated battles are impressively great at pinpointing future and/or present needs. for instance as i watch the battle, i would think the two best needs for a fleet located off another countries borders would be either, spy satellite capability of real time air space monitoring from the coast inland 100 miles, or high altitude stealth real time air space monitoring for the same area. this way you could at least be observing for incoming assets that are beyond the awacs range. secondly, if you are going to have a fleet off the coast, you might want to consider deploying a few subs even closer inland just along the coast loaded up like surface to air missile trucks, just in case they were needed.
Sadly antisat missiles will destroy most useful satellites on day one of a major conflict between US and PLA. The PLA have already explicitly threatened to do so.
@@timallison8560 It's true, we'd do the same too. It's the first thing that would be done in an actual modern war between two powers. We'd have to launch new satellites every few weeks, which is why we are pumping a lot of money into SpaceX.
Looking at the loss counter - great job adding it by the way - I see that the human losses are not counted. Just curious, could they be counted separately?
Awesome as always! However, there is no way China could get that many planes in the air without that much activity being picked up by satellite surveillance, and allowing the Americans to get aircraft into the air from the carriers and Okinawa.
Exactly! Why are you the one the few comments mentioning this? You only 2 likes. There is no way Chinese airpower would have this much element of preemptive advantage. US fleet would have scrambled a wave of missles & jets much quicker than this scenario. Though entertaining, these vids seem to have bias towards US being defeated when entering data for simulation.
Great content as always. I am pretty sure that China wants to upgrade the J-20 with thrust vectoring to improve it's manuverability to a SU-27 style of capability but I also am not sure when they want to do this or if it will even happen.
It depends. If they are high speed and high altitude, you'd want to go high arc and drop all on the carrier at once, not in waves. If they are lower speed cheaper missiles/drones, you'd overwhelm one side of the formation at a time.
2 way data link from the a260 missile as I understand it allows for both reporting of location and status back to aircraft and also allows for overriding guidance to target in event of electronic warfare etc... But it got me thinking... Could a missile be created as probe. Fired ahead of the aircraft and sending back radar Contacts etc
The problem i see with this is as you said the J20's should launch then RTB which they could not do here so they just kept heading for the US planes meaning they ended up in range.
Now the most dreaded, questions. hypothetically if this happened... Can the factories replace the lost hardware? How fast can new pilots and crews be trained or rotated from other theaters for reinforcements? How fast can the above be done before the next wave?
I'd say rotation, training, and reinforcing would be an American and allies advantage. The manufacturing is weird. China has far more sheer industrial power, but they are also officially cut off from advanced computer chips with the recent US sanctions and CHIPS act so it is 50/50.
@@aauwhatitdo1582 that's what i was thinking about. though an industrial giant America has become "too specialized" very few dedicated contracted military manufacturers (with former competitors being driven to bankruptcy with their innovations buried by the military industrial complex), limited production facilities (gotta keep trade secrets), and a dwindling workforce that has begun outsourcing its reach for qualified employment internationally in the last few decades. Which in the coming generations, is becoming even smaller as countries are scrambling to keep skilled or talented workers within reach of their own domestic industries, and the newer generations are either unmotivated or refuse to join the domestic workforce, which as recent studies suggest have now also included the military. Likewise, globally, similar rollbacks are happening or have happened in other nations; major European countries has reduced its military industrial capacity, fewer dedicated military vehicles are being made or exported to allies or client states, its citizens committed to military careers have either retired (or are in the process of retiring) or decided against enlistment. As a result their stockpiles of equipment are either deteriorating, or are being decommissioned and scrapped for domestic infrastructure.
@@aauwhatitdo1582 as long as those factories don't end up reproducing ww2 era weapons and vehicles to replace the lost or damaged modern equivalents (unless aome yahoos are into that mentality) i hope a resolution is put forward before the world reaches that level of desperation.
25:10 the amount of missiles in the air is insane. Props to the DCS engine for being able to handle this kind of air-to-air carnage without inflicting time dialation or anything like that. Outstanding scrap so far!
These battles just keep getting better and better.
So, after watching the results of the anti-ship missiles, yes I understand it didn't work in multiplayer and the targeting needs work per the singeplayer test, but I think it's essentially a draw if you factor in some more real-world attributes. For example, once the Chinese threat was gone from their nearby jets/A-to-A missiles, all remaining friendly jets in the air would have been coached and coordinated onto the incoming anti-ship missiles. Per Violet and Matrix, the AIM-260s lock onto the missiles quite well. Add in a real-world data link, expert professional pilots, and dozens of command and control personnel to assign targets (vectors/altitude/deconfliction) plus the SM-2/SM-6 net, SeaRAM, and CWIS, I think there's a very good chance the missiles don't make it through.
Finally, a somewhat minor note but it would presumably play a difference in defending this massive anti-ship missile attack. If the USS America is there (and the entire 7th fleet in general), then there should also be the four additional supporting amphibious ships (LSD and LPD) that travel with the LHA/LHD flagship: the USS New Orleans (LPD-18), USS Green Bay (LPD-20), USS Rushmore (LSD-47), and USS Ashland (LSD-48). I only mention them as they collectively have an additional 168 (!) missiles to assist in short-range defense with the SM-2 network due to each ship carrying two SeaRAM weapon systems (8 x 21-round RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missiles in total). Each SeaRAM missile has a reported range of 10 km, so they should have time to see the coming and fire before impact, but it would be close.
It also depends on the whole scenario, but I'm assuming they would travel with their assigned Marine Expeditionary Unit that's typically onboard as long as they're sailing in support of the USS America, and either be caught unexpectedly within this naval batal, or be on patrol without carrying the USMC infantry/their equipment due to no planned littoral invasion plans. : )
Yeah, that.
IRL the f-35 that would be in the air also can act as airborne early warning thank you targeting data to ages defense systems as well using its das contract a tank shell prior to being completed and since upgraded. Some of the block/variants of the sm3 and 6 might as well be an entirely different rocket and have ridiculous performance and the f35 targeting can let them be launched earlier to get a higher chance of success for the engagement worrying about line of sight or over the horizon or even low altitude sea skimming blind spots ships usually have to deal with, even with even with AWACs in the air and a literal fleet of sensors they can't track or even detect out past half of the of missiles Max engagement distances for the latest blocks that are at the far end of their range but can't be detected or painted. Besides you're gonna have F35s up anyway 3 can make a 1200km 360 detection space that's fully passive and maintains their stealth.
Good insight
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would the ESSM make a difference if they added it?
Here's hoping that such a scenario won't be happening anytime soon.
Hopefully.
thats what i said about ukraine
@@htf5555😂 Putin was watching and said,"Hold my vodka!" 🤣
Make a battle in the city with tanks helicopters and planes please please
Yeah I would love to see that
Some random manpads too.
@@flare1578 mc donalds
Yes do this!!!!
Yeah 🤣 you really want a close look at war join the military kid
Now all thats needed is to update the SM-2 family of missiles in game. IIRC the DCs still uses a fairly old version of the SM-2. Should be using a mix of SM-6 (150 mi range), SM2 SM-2ER Block IVA, and RIM-162 for air defense.
Edit: Also worth noting that DCS seems to count the public fire rate for 1 VLS cell pack as the fire rate for the whole ship. So actual launch rates should be 6X - 8X depending on what block of Burke or if its a Ticonderoga.
It seemed that far fewer SM-2s were going out than in previous GR U.S. task force engagements. I remember the sky literally saturated with SM-2s. What percentage of those available for launch actually went out? Hell, there were 2 Ticos and 8 Burkes?
My step father works for a defense contractor here in San Diego that does this exact thing (war gaming scenarios) and PRoC is their focus, His take is that you guys are using US standards for their weapons systems which is a good thing because its worst case scenario (that's what they do also so they plan accordingly and this is how the defense industry plans new systems).
" you guys are using US standards for their weapons systems which is a good thing because its worst case scenario"
what if some Chinese systems are superior...? a very BIG if, but an "if" nonetheless.
@@ylstorage7085 If using standard weapon systems is = worst case scenario, 1 begs to wonder what weapon system does a equal to best case scenario?
Wow. Confirmation that the YJ21 and other hypersonic anti ship missiles are in the works is exciting. I hope you get DF17s and Zircons too.
I wonder what this would look like if you combined the Chinese side with a big drone offence. Given that China is investing massively into drones and that you don't yet have the PL-21 and Type 055 modelled in game, using cheap drones to drain the US' rockets and clutter its radars seems like a realistic and the most salient addition to this scenario.
🤫You can't do that.
The US did that back in desert storm as the prelude to their seed missions. That was back in 91 though and Iraqi air defence couldn’t tell they weren’t shooting down actual planes. Modern radars are going to be able to track waaay more targets. They SHOULD be able to differentiate a cheap slow moving drone from missiles moving way faster. Throw massive amounts of jamming and or drone killing EW… who knows really. I also suppose that any drone with a 300 mile range is almost definitely not cheap and spammable. So perhaps not workable in this specific scenario. But for Taiwan I assume there would be a huge amount of drones deployed.
MALD does that
Instead of low speed drone or loitering munitions just use cruise missiles..the one with highest number of missiles will win..😂
The F-15s in Okinawa are being permanently replaced with F-22s in the near future, announced last week I believe.
thx
@@grimreapers If you read the announcement about the F-15s carefully they say they will be rotating different aircraft to Okinawa including F-22 and F-35 but that none of this will be a permanent presence. I think the U.S. knows that any aircraft stationed there long term have a high chance of being killed on the ground in a surprise attack. This way we keep units on stand by to fly into the theatre AFTER the fight starts. Makes sense on paper but it does seem like a sign of weakness to the world
@@blueskiestrevor5200 I think the F-35 would make more sense anyway since we're pumping those off of the production line.
We'll see what they decide though
I can’t wait to see this scenario develop further, the Taiwan campaign was an awesome set of videos!
Great battle - but I would doubt the US Awacs would ever come under threat as IRL it would have guided assets to take out the threat as a priority.
Great but I think that all Awacs should be equipped with missiles of their own to protect themselves when other fighters are much too busy elsewhere.
I can't wait to see the SM-3/SM-6 missiles to be added to DCS
We also need ESSM asap... 4 can fit in a single cell
That simulation was so, so impressive. I'm going to join your patreon right now.
aaawww :)
How quick are you planning on adding SM-6 and SM-4 capabilities to the fleet? I feel that the carriers are missing a large part of their defensive capabilities without these vital missiles.
One more major naval battle before we think about adding it in. Probably 3-4 weeks at a guess.
SM-3 and SM-6 make up less than half of the missiles on our destroyers according to one of the guys I met at Pearl Harbor who serves on a Burke but even with so few they are so good that it would make a huge differance.
You’re also forgetting the ESSM
@@mattseller148 longer range and an upsized AMRAAM radar would be pretty useful against cruise missiles
@@mattseller148 What about rolling airframe and ESSM missiles? They're made for intercepting supersonic maneuvering missiles.
**I have not watched the video yet** I'm not sure it can be implemented by anyone other than the designers: AEGIS can datalink and share targeting. Ships with the NTU or equivalent can join, I do believe, and be controlled by AEGIS. That way what always happens here won't occur. 1 inbound gets 37 SM-2s, 1 gets 2, and some get ignored. Rather annoying. F-22's and F-35's also have that ability amongst themselves. Also, replacing some SM-2/6's with ESSM. It's 1:4. Increase short range defense and doesn't need that terminal illumination. Also, the carriers all have that 21-round RAM launcher, in addition to CIWS. I don't think that I ever see RAM get fired. Also, big gator freighters, all have ESSM and RAM (+CIWS), and can operate F-35B. Inbound vampires can also be engaged by the CAP or whomever. E-2D should be able to see them and fighters can shoot on the DL. So can the ships BTW. USN CEC is very powerful.
I'm sure this will be great one way or another. You guys put so much work into these. Thank you.
THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR LETS GOO
Significant flaw in this simulation: You don't have SAM coverage in Mainland China. If the H-6J's can launch the YJ-21's from basically the coast of the PRC, that means they can do so under friendly PLA SAM coverage, but you're missing that the way it's set up.
The Japanese Navy now has 2 Izumo class carriers capable of carrying F35. The Liaoning class carrier has a similar aircraft load out to the Izumo, a fight between their fleets is likely in the future if this scenario were to play out.
It would be very interesting to estimate the total value of the assets deployed and losses. Also as role play it could be interesting to let the players chose what assets to deploy, which would be limited to the actual 7th fleet on the US side but the Chinese side gets to pick from their vast inventory.
In this "battle" it does not make much sense to use the J10s for example, if the targets are ships simply max out on anti-ship bombers. H6-J and H6-K can carry 6 or 7 YJ-12 IIRC, so one regiment can launch 100 missiles.
Estimated cost of a YJ-12 is IIRC less than $2M, so 100 missiles match the cost of a single US destroyer. I'd love to see what the fleet can do against say 800 missiles.
Add a few J20 only for cover or recon if you want. 😉
the F-35 weapons bay is being upgraded to carry 6 AIM-120D or AIM-260s and should be in service when the new AIM - 260 missiles are available (Project Sidekick) also a little further down the line is the new GE adaptive cycle engine that provides a 20% boost in Speed, Range and Acceleration.
How well is the SLQ-32 modeled? It would also be interesting to see the NULKA and especially the EA-18G modeled. The Growler is extremely powerful. It pumps out a lot of trons and very intelligently too.
EW is barely modeled at all in DCS. Too complicated and too secret
SLQ-32's EW capabilities aren't modeled at all in DCS, nor the SRBOC chaff and Nulka decoys... In real life wargames, EW alone could soft-kill over half of incoming vampires; we definitely need them modelled in DCS ASAP!
Would be nice to see Japan getting involved in a future scenario. The US fleet in this video started pretty much in the area of some Japanese outlying islands.
The JSDF acquired F-35B in large part for reactive temporary basing on smaller Japanese islands such as these. A couple of JMSDF aircraft carrying “destroyers” [legally distinct from helicopter/VSTOL carriers] are tasked with transportation and maintenance of F-35B but not necessarily operating from them directly. The public information on their strategy seems to imply that they would drop off a load of F-35B on these islands near Taiwan as a conflict appears imminent and then withdraw to load more from the main islands.
JASDF also has F-2, F-15J, and F-35A that might engage intruders. I suspect reaction time would be somewhat slow due to the way that JSDF command system works [paramilitary dependent on civilian leadership approval for actions]. In game, just leaving them as AI on ground with their slow launch time might simulate this.
JGSDF does have some good air defenses such as Patriot that might be available from some islands.
And of course the JMSDF is likely to have some frigates and destroyers in the area.
JSDF also has their own quite good AWACS and MPA.
Perhaps a scenario with the US out of position at time of the PLA strike and thus charging in with a fleet late to the fight. PLA goes after targets in Taiwan and Japanese outlying islands, plus perhaps a ground towards Okinawa. Taiwan and Japan defending on their own, trying to bide time until US fleet arrives, coming from position somewhere South of Tokyo.
Do you know how an ugly car doesnt look fast? This is exactly how I feel about J20s - they dont look like they would perform well.
Considering this is hypothetically off the coast of China, why was the Chinese air wing so small? Especially if the idea was for an overwhelming decapitation strike on the 7th fleet.
It is probably partly due to the desire for a smooth running game, as well as the difficulty in space alone on the battlefield. There is also the fact that, while doing their best to make a relatively balanced fight, by their own admission they make scenarios that are designed to give America a small margin of victory (But not a guaranteed one). Not that this is wrong, as it does tailor to the American leaning audience, but it is a fact that should be considered when watching these War Games.
@@matthewfriesenactually you're wrong he doesn't favor the US Fleet at all. In fact if you watch enough of his videos you'll see that a lot of times he handicaps them significantly. Also the number of aircraft has to be limited by the capabilities of the server. You can't put everything in or it would literally crash the server. So you have to scale down the amount of aircraft proportionally to be even able to do this
I just came across your channel and wow - this is super fascinating to watch and love your passion while narrating. Subscribed and sharing for sure!
Why do y'all ask such dumb questions? The US Navy could give the combined force of the world's next 8 best Navy's combined a run.
These wargames are so good, really enjoy watching how things play out and how unscripted they are.
the aim 260 is so strong i wonder how it'll compare against the meteor
They now have 2 carrier strike groups in the S China Sea. How would that fare? What about Subs? Could DCS handle the missiles launched on both groups?
I don't think China (human player bird) going after the US AWACS is relevant for this type of battle. There would be a massive amount of communication from battle command and the AWACS itself if any incoming jet flanked or even looked at the AWACS wrong, the AWACS would automatically perform defensive maneuvers as needed (even if that means simply flying away or towards friendly cover), and the real world pilots would know to defend their AWACS rather than ignore its defense. Just figured that's worth a comment for sim purposes.
the ai in dcs is very stupid and only does what you program for it to do and it does provide a massive amount of communication and provides intercept data
Wardogs
I'm sure the AWACS would be flying over destroyer cover also. They wouldn't leave him out there to hang.
@@t.r.4496 possibly but hard to tell
@@jet_novice9901 Yeah I know DCS AI and instructions are very difficult, with very little capability. This is why I believe the AWACS should be off limits for at least *certain scenarios, as it can't defend itself intelligently per a real world scenario.
Even with this bug with the YJ-12 it is still turned out to a HUGE BOOMBOOM. :D Love this videos mate. Its just makes my day better. Not just because of boomboom but because how interesting these things. I love this military stuff. From weapons to logistics. Everything about military stuff. Love it! Love to watch it after a hard working day! Keep up the good work mate!
You got the Meteors working, you got the LARSM working, you got the PL-15 working, you got the Russian asstets wroking with the hypersonic missiles, everything. Go, and make a USA/UK vs Chinese/Russian Carrier Strike Group 2025 fight! Only stuff is that try to launch the YJ-12 from AI J-15 jets or from Human anti ship jets. Maybe that will sort the problem out. If not, use the old YJ-12 and the Russian Anti Ship missiles together!
Yes with the British F-35 exclusively operating in the anti-ship role. Have the American F-35's and F-18 Hornets take off first and then send the anti-shippers in on the deck launching LRASM's.
hmm, Haven't been able to figure out, or missed it or something....
how do the AIM260 maneuver after they run out of thrust and are coasting?
I *think* they have a separate gas generator for the lateral thrusters?
@@grimreapers Thank you
It would be cool if someone models modern versions of the SM, for a more equal fight
Good fight, but the AIM-260's flight profile doesn't quite make sense. Why both stages directly after each other? It would probably be better if the first served as a booster for the second to build speed and loft the AAM. Then ignite the second stage when you reach the endgame. This would give the AIM-260 performance comparable to that of the Meteor, especially in the final phase.
They are finding a compromise between speed throughout the flight and range. It is better to have a missile that travels 200km in 3 minutes than a missile that travels 500km in 8 minutes. Better time to kill.
"It will be in Stealth-Mode, not Murder-mode" .... is I think, the best way, with which to define the two operational parameters of the 35.
Well played, sir... Well played.
EDIT, now 17 minutes in...
What a lovable bunch of knuckleheads you have going, Cap... Kinda makes me nostalgic and wish I had marketable skills as a simulated fighter pilot.
Keep it up lads! More laughs == more likes
Can't wait to see what murder mode looks like when they have the additional thrust of it's replacement engine being developed currently. All the aim 260s which I expect to absolutely crush the numbers if it is actually two stages I'm because it could outrange the current 120 by 20% with no other change then what propellant they put in it.moving something with ISP of 260 to 300 plus based on replacing ammonium perchlorate with nitro amines usually hmx traditionally a high explosive like we did for an icbms of of past and considering we now have CL 20 versions of that same propellant of even higher ISP without the risk the addition of literal explosives do you propellant usually causes. Capable of with some work meeting insensitive munition standards.
Could the RAAF defend a attack from the Chinese either land or sea
You are missing one big character in US side, EA-18G with new jamming pod.
Thank You Cap for using the picture of Pakistani J-10C.
Cool
I think you forgot that Tiwan has F-16Cs, PAC-3A Batteries and THAAD Batteries as well as a healthy supply of light, medium and heavy AAA.
Sounded like they hand waved them away to keep the scale of this scenario more manageable. Japan has islands right where the fleet was too and plenty of assets to defend them.
The scenario was all explained up front in the vid. Taiwan aircraft stuck in their underground bunkers after the Day 1 Chinese missile barrage cratered their runways, and Cap did have 4 Taiwan PAC-3 batteries simulated by 4 ships... but I don't think those actually took any shots.
Nicely Done, I can only guess how much production time that took... Thx GR
Pleasure
max skill level A.I. how many hours in simulator and actual flying does a China pilot get compared to a USA pilot though
Chinese pilots have 100-150 hours, US pilots have 200.
PLA has recently greatly increased training time and quality for pilots. Expect similar capabilities to green US pilots just qualified for type. They have less air time but not that far behind the US and they get a lot of theory and simulator time now.
British retired fighter pilots are actually in China now training them up. Weird I know...
@@grimreapers so a NATO country sends people to train other country pilots that are not in NATO makes perfect sense
@@JLH111176 UK didn't send them. The Chinese put out a call looking for retired NATO pilots looking to go private contractor. If I recall the UK actually published multiple statements trying to discourage it.
Here’s an idea, have your 8 main guys each command a Fleet of their own for a truly unique and realistic experience of what world war 3 would look like. Of course I’m thinking end of year episode. Put some time in, some phone calls and Computer power and I think you would have a hell of a viral video.
This just keeps getting better and better.
Hey Cap, would love to see this revisited with all of the updates and new assets that have been made lately!
Day 2, U.S. would have more than 4 planes flying cover. Ok now let's watch and see how battle turns out.. great job guys and gals
very true, at least a dozen.
Cap,
Do you think the YJ-12s never went for a target because the southern ChiCom AWACS got taken out, and the northern one was out of range to see the ships? Just spit balling. As always, excellent work. Much appreciated.
Does the PL15 have its own active homing radar? Doesn't the PL15 require the J20 to guide it to the target? meaning the J20 can't just turn around after launch.
the PL15 is definitely active radar
PL-15 is active. J-20 can turn around yes BUT AI pilots do not understand how to do that.
"I wish you all well,....kind've" 🙄
I think, It's the way the missiles have been fired. I think they have assessed a wave threat and attacked the destroyers. In reality that's what a Destroyer should be doing (so they did their jobs). A destroyer is calculated at something like a life span of 30 minutes in a cold war battle. If the bombers did wave attacks in a more flowing wave, I'm sure that would work better.
I'm liking the new Ship models.
I think you need to do this again in a 90's mode in a test to see what happens. The destroyers are floating targets designed to keep the carrier safe.
Can the AESA radar’s detect incoming missiles? I would think the missiles have sufficiently high RCS and Doppler for detection by the targeted aircraft’s radar at some range greater than 0 and less than the max firing range. Can you model that too?
It can detect missiles with bodies over 35cm diameter, so that's pretty much only the Air to Ground missiles.
So an R-37 should be detectable, especially when it’s flying 15 miles higher than the target aircraft. At 20 miles away and the missile 15 miles above, the incident angle is roughly 37 degrees. This should reflect some radar back to the target aircraft. The angle will increase to 45 degrees at 15 miles from the target aircraft. Why aren’t these big missiles being detected and fired on?
8.57 Billion $ on Amarican side and 5.53 billion $ on the chinese side
The aircraft and their missiles alone cost more than the entire Defence budget of spain
(I am not even counting in the carrier strike group)
So how does one get your modded files? I would buy 15 Patreon subscriptions for all your new tech
Waking up this morning to a massive battle, hell yah!!
great video! but was just wondering about the australian RAAF paintjob on the US navy f18f at 24:41?
On day 3 can the F22s from Japan come out and play?
J-20 is waiting for that day..
@@jonathantoymaker J-20 is inferior but okay lmao
@@Just_A_Random_Desk The opposite..😁
Sure
@@Just_A_Random_Desk you wish
Nitpicking: 0.05 meters squared (what Cap said) is not the same as 0.05 square meters (what was written on the screen). 0.05 meters squared is a square five centimeters on a side or 25 square centimeters. 0.05 square meters is 5% of a square meter (10,000 square centimeters) or 50 square centimeters. And obviously, it's minutiae, but since GR is all the way down in the nitty gritty details, I think the distinction is important. Probably you know which is which, and which is being reported from your data sources, but just in case you didn't, I figured I would remind you. Thanks for your hard work and dedication. Love your simulations.
I absolutely love what you have done with the wargames series, such an improvement from the taiwan games.
Love the new(ish) lose counter you use now
I feel like the single player simulation afterwards wasn't fair since all of the planes in the air were capable of shooting down the vampires
The model for struck ships is amazing!! Keep up the amazing work!
17:28 "My social credit score is rising faster than my altitude" LOL!! :D
Malfunctioning stuff from China sounds par for the course to be honest.
The radar reflector under the left belly of J-20 need to be removed tho
for maps like this one would it work to assign the Chinese two blank carriers? With no airwing taking off, just to give them a base to RTB? I don't play DCS so not sure if they need to take off from the carrier or not. This way planes that would RTB are not taking up un-needed missles or attention?
We need the Flight IIA Arleigh Burke-class destroyer in game, which can use the ESSM
I think the US navy needs a 57 or 76mm 3 barrel rotary cannon CIWS of a bolt on bolt off nature to replace the Phalanx. Some of those AShM got way to close.
Luv these videos...keep up the great work
Perhaps a different tone for the next Taiwan video, perhaps scenarios of the US running a Chinese blockade of Taiwan? Trying to stay unseen with SV-22 osprey or some other transport choppers avoiding a Chinese air/naval patrol that is tasked with spotting and intercepting them. It would be interesting as this scenario might be more realistic as to how a Taiwan war would play out, with the US trying their best to avoid war with China but wanting to discreetly help Taiwan
Turkey shoot. No helo is getting through the Chinese CAP.
The new PL-15 (V2) seem to perform way worse than V1,they couldn’t seem to track the target that well unlike the V1 and Cap if u can mod the AIM-260 than why not also mod the PL-17/PL-21 and J-35 as well
the PL17 is a 6m long mach 6 missile that can be fired at 400+km range, it would just be fired at the AWACs right at the start of the battle.
"My social credit score is rising faster than my altitude!"
Hilarious 😂
Are you sure you have the Carrier aircraft launch times right; I suspect they would be faster. The quoted rate on a Nimitz is one aircraft every 20 seconds, using all four cats. So about half an hour for 90 aircraft. Landing them is a lot slower. Your version was 4-6 times that and only showed 2 cats.
I'm not sure but we don;t get control of the Super Carrier launch rate anyways so just have to use what we have.
The Awacs would be protected by a pair of fighters.
probably four each.
Strange that you use weapons that haven’t entered service for now, is that not a bit cheating?
And PL-15 can be retarget if the initial target are missed, AWACS can give them new targets via data links, including against ships, if that was made this battle would have been way more messy…
This is a 2025 simulation because that appears to be the earliest feasible invasion year. All tech will be ready long before that year.
I wish there was a map-maker for DCS, where you could build your own area.
Agree
I wish there was a way to combine DCS with Command: Modern Operations
In a real sea battle between these super powers. I think 🇺🇸 would actually be shocked at the losses sustained on both sides. Plane on plane at 100 miles would hit each other with missiles.
The Navy would have half the fleet hit by Chinese ship missiles. Just damage only not even sinking would put majority of boats out of action. Then the search and rescue would be very sparse in picking up pilots.
The first week would probably destroy both sides equally which is a loss for both sides.
Think about half a carrier of planes downed in the ocean. It would be a major loss. And if the Chinese did sink a aircraft carrier that would be humongous loss for Americans.
When you're talking about the H-6j attack @12:37 and the use of the YJ-12 anti-ship missiles, specifically the seeker-head and the program ability to go after specific ships; I'd like to raise the question of how did the H-6j weapons officer get the specific position of the 7th Fleet? If they got it from a RORSAT then that data should be several hours old and they would need Ocean Recon variant of the TU-95 Bear to program the seeker-heads on the YJ-12. Furthermore these TU-95 Recon aircraft would need to turn on their radars to get a more precise position of the CV and be at the leading edge of the attack in order to rely the info back to the bombers. The simulation should include these types of aircraft because if the TU-95's get shot down before they can relay the coords to the H-6j's then the H-6j's would effectively be firing blind or would be forced to turn on their radars. I mention this because the USN ELINT capability is extraordinary and the USN would have attack subs off the coast of China with their ESM antennas up monitoring this type of raid. The info would get passed to the 7th fleet in a matter of seconds and it's doubtful the H-6j's would be able to launch because the TU-95's would be blown out of the air by CAP.
Edit: Yes I know you are sending KJ-2000's but theres no info if these can relay targeting package info to the H-6j's. Also, and this is a BIG one, they can only track 100 targets at a time. Plus the USN has the ability to jam these type of phased array AWACS. Even if they did have the tech to relay target package info to the H-6j's, the KJ-2000's would need to get extremely close to the surface ships to burn-through the jamming.
Did the missiles overshoot due to losing data from the shot down AWACs? The 2nd one was quite far back and the last local friendly aircraft mopped up. Do they need any data input?
My 2nd guess is that they had been shot down, but something's up with the damage model which meant a ghost version kept going.
Maybe, so hard to tell. We don't get access to core game data for overview, so it's all guess work.
Been waiting for this.
when you plan on redoing this battle with flight 3 burkes and type 55?
these simulated battles are impressively great at pinpointing future and/or present needs. for instance as i watch the battle, i would think the two best needs for a fleet located off another countries borders would be either, spy satellite capability of real time air space monitoring from the coast inland 100 miles, or high altitude stealth real time air space monitoring for the same area. this way you could at least be observing for incoming assets that are beyond the awacs range. secondly, if you are going to have a fleet off the coast, you might want to consider deploying a few subs even closer inland just along the coast loaded up like surface to air missile trucks, just in case they were needed.
Sadly antisat missiles will destroy most useful satellites on day one of a major conflict between US and PLA. The PLA have already explicitly threatened to do so.
@@stupidburp you have me laughing from my gut.
@@timallison8560 It's true, we'd do the same too. It's the first thing that would be done in an actual modern war between two powers. We'd have to launch new satellites every few weeks, which is why we are pumping a lot of money into SpaceX.
Violet (Boom Boom) Moon is THE ultimate force multiplier !
Looking at the loss counter - great job adding it by the way - I see that the human losses are not counted. Just curious, could they be counted separately?
Will investigate. Strange, not sure why humans deaths are not on there.
Awesome as always! However, there is no way China could get that many planes in the air without that much activity being picked up by satellite surveillance, and allowing the Americans to get aircraft into the air from the carriers and Okinawa.
Exactly! Why are you the one the few comments mentioning this? You only 2 likes. There is no way Chinese airpower would have this much element of preemptive advantage. US fleet would have scrambled a wave of missles & jets much quicker than this scenario. Though entertaining, these vids seem to have bias towards US being defeated when entering data for simulation.
Great content as always. I am pretty sure that China wants to upgrade the J-20 with thrust vectoring to improve it's manuverability to a SU-27 style of capability but I also am not sure when they want to do this or if it will even happen.
@Jake's Tutorials True, and there is a good chance nothing will come of it.
Wouldn't they have hit the defensive ships first then go for the CV'S last? Just wondering?
Probably all at same time
It depends. If they are high speed and high altitude, you'd want to go high arc and drop all on the carrier at once, not in waves. If they are lower speed cheaper missiles/drones, you'd overwhelm one side of the formation at a time.
2 way data link from the a260 missile as I understand it allows for both reporting of location and status back to aircraft and also allows for overriding guidance to target in event of electronic warfare etc... But it got me thinking... Could a missile be created as probe. Fired ahead of the aircraft and sending back radar Contacts etc
How The yj 12 are guided before terminal phase maybe awacs and atleast one was shot down so maybe there was no guidance
The problem i see with this is as you said the J20's should launch then RTB which they could not do here so they just kept heading for the US planes meaning they ended up in range.
Love all the ways you try to fix weapons capable and , all the military technology of military assets involved
Why do they call them 'BOGS'?
Super'Bugs' is a nickname for the Super Hornet.
@@scottb3154 So then they just modify to BOGS eh? Thank you.
I have become obsessed with these videos
Maybe YJ 12 failed because only one Awacs since one got Shot down
and it was the closer of the two. the other was quite far away.
Wouldn't Tiwan have radar to help the fleet detect the Chinese more early too?
US should never let one fleet to go into the SCS
Now the most dreaded, questions.
hypothetically if this happened...
Can the factories replace the lost hardware?
How fast can new pilots and crews be trained or rotated from other theaters for reinforcements?
How fast can the above be done before the next wave?
I'd say rotation, training, and reinforcing would be an American and allies advantage. The manufacturing is weird. China has far more sheer industrial power, but they are also officially cut off from advanced computer chips with the recent US sanctions and CHIPS act so it is 50/50.
@@aauwhatitdo1582 that's what i was thinking about.
though an industrial giant America has become "too specialized" very few dedicated contracted military manufacturers (with former competitors being driven to bankruptcy with their innovations buried by the military industrial complex), limited production facilities (gotta keep trade secrets), and a dwindling workforce that has begun outsourcing its reach for qualified employment internationally in the last few decades. Which in the coming generations, is becoming even smaller as countries are scrambling to keep skilled or talented workers within reach of their own domestic industries, and the newer generations are either unmotivated or refuse to join the domestic workforce, which as recent studies suggest have now also included the military.
Likewise, globally, similar rollbacks are happening or have happened in other nations; major European countries has reduced its military industrial capacity, fewer dedicated military vehicles are being made or exported to allies or client states, its citizens committed to military careers have either retired (or are in the process of retiring) or decided against enlistment. As a result their stockpiles of equipment are either deteriorating, or are being decommissioned and scrapped for domestic infrastructure.
@@LuoSon312_G8 I'm thinking it would be a slog fest like WW2 for the Soviets. Hold off for a year to get factories churning.
@@aauwhatitdo1582 as long as those factories don't end up reproducing ww2 era weapons and vehicles to replace the lost or damaged modern equivalents (unless aome yahoos are into that mentality) i hope a resolution is put forward before the world reaches that level of desperation.
So I've just started watching these vids, extremely impressed. My only question is how "realistic" would this battle be?
About as accurate as Super Mario Brothers Is to being an actual Italian plumber.
LOL...well all righty then.
Lol this is a video based on classified aircraft.....definitely a fairytale
Canna decide pre video whether or not this will be a Turkey shoot for the USN?!? Place yer bets!
@grimreapers Block III Super Hornets by 2025 will have IRST in the fleet
Also longer range and slightly lower RCS
We do actually have ability to give them IRST in game.
Any chance to get an GR asset pack ?
If you look at some of the current videos they have links to all this stuff in the descriptions of the videos