@@grimreapers lol Yo Cap that's why The Taiwanese are keeping their F-16V's underground ;) Check it out-- ruclips.net/video/ERLdBDvvB0w/видео.html Lmao why does this keep getting taken down....??
@@grimreapers Yo Cap PLEASE check out this vid about NSM and just as interesting, its launch platform! Lol essentially a drone truck with a NSM on the back! Pretty damn cool I personally think! It'd be absolutely EPIC if you guys could create a Mod of this-- ruclips.net/video/WJFP7xZdeXQ/видео.html
I'd credit the overall team in the plane. Because they had excellent situational awareness, high-powered jammers and fortunately a skilled crew on the flight deck.
I've played too much cold waters. I'm mentally going through what I'd do with a Sea Wolf, a steady supply of strong coffee for my crew, and a permissive ROE.
Another thing to consider is that when an AShM hits a ship, a lot of people can die. So even if the ship is still operational, there's a very good chance that a sizable portion of the troops onboard are no longer fit to fight.
One thing you can't model of course is the likely US Submarines that would be lurking in the area and they'd definitely go after or at the very least distract the naval fleet.
How effective can they be in a sea with a depth of 70 metres and lots of Chinese anti submarine vessels available. They have so many that they could basically cordon of both sides of the strait completely
I appreciated Cap's comments about volunteering to work with children and how he picks up colds etc. from them. As a teacher of nearly 40 years, I know how that is. Teachers have perpetual colds for the first three school years. If the last that long, they get a degree of immunity. Kudos, Cap, for working with the children! Take care of yourself, though. Good luck!
Thank you , thank you , thank you ! I've been hoping you'd do this video ! Palletised weapons on literally hundreds of possible delivery platforms. Every cargo plane loaded with missiles to strike from beyond anti-air range . Game changer.
Question is...how many are already in theater that nobody knows about because the dumb snitches that got caught were fed useless information?@@stupidburp
Excellent!!! While 4 C-130's is a decent start, what about a full squadron of Rapid Dragon Cargo planes engaging from Okinawa? Would they have to deploy from a higher altitude to cover the distance?
A landing fleet will take between 6-8 hours to cross the strait, longer for the slower vessels. More than enough time for planes from Okinawa to arrive within striking distance.
My thought is this is a “Taiwan is proxy” scenario, the planes and missiles were purchased under lend/lease with local pilots and must launch locally. …you know, to avoid the whole h-bomb apocalypse over really good silicon fabs.
@@markonw6661 you see the missiles were purchased, but there was an unfortunate accident in the cargo planes causing all of the missiles to be jettisoned
@@anotheralpharius2056 Rapid Dragon goes out like any other cargo jettison, the beauty of it, all the brains and control are hosted on the crate. “The crew thought they were dropping water bottles, mixup back at base”…I love it.
@@markonw6661 I am happy to see the Rapid Dragon Missile System is up & running in the game now as there is now a slew of targets that can be attacked now. Especially if Radar suppressing aircraft are used ahead of the attack to not only blind SAM sites, but all enemy aircraft and surface assets. Plus I am sure these missiles can be nuclear tipped for attacking Ports and Bases, and other military installations. What would it take to attack Moscow using the Rapid Dragon Missile System?
@@jdo8405 I think people forget that most modern SAMs are mobile and Taiwan has invested very substantially in their survivability, and will likely hold some back in reserve, but yes, by the time China launches its amphibious assault it is likely that Taiwan would be entirely depleted of aircraft’s and long range air defenses. However, I think this scenario here is one where China launches the amphibious landing right after initial missile waves, potentially within hours of first strike, rather than having had time to systematically eliminate all air defenses, which would take at least a week even by pessimistic estimates by the US. In this case Taiwan would still be able to mount a certain level of response to contest for air superiority.
Considering the range of the LRASM/JASSM, it would make sense for Taiwan to have ground launched versions. A nice little slingshot should be enough to get them airborne.
Realistically they wouldn't get them until the technology is well and truely obsolete because of the amount of chinese spies on the island. Sensative technology is almost never sold to taiwan exact out of fear of espionage.
@@TraditionalAnglican unless they were placed on taiwan directly they wouldn't have the range, and if they were on taiwan, they'd be prime targets for bombardment at the start.
They will be getting the Typhoon weapon system. Not stealth but it will allow Taiwan to be able to strike back at ships or VERY far into the interior of, China. Mobile Tomahawk (Block-5) Launchers. The same system can also launch SM-6 missiles for anti-air. They also have a land based mobile remote NSM launcher that is being fielded by the USMC which will undoubtedly get "lent" to, Taiwan. Taiwan's air defense and ship/shore striking abilities are being rapidly advanced.
I still think LRASMs are totally unrealistic, not even an attempt to intercept with missiles? Even though planes can shoot them down at >20 miles? What gives?
Thank you Cap, awesome development added to the mix. The key force multiplier for the Rapid Dragon platform is the rumor (coming from a defense industry think-tank) that the JASSM (which is the base cruise missile used to design LRASM) has the necessary hardware/technology to receive what is effectively a firmware/software patch to its programming in order to enable anti-ship capabilities. The JASSM has been (and will continue to be per current budgets) manufactured in much greater numbers than LRASM, with the current stockpike estimated at around 2,000 and the stated procurement goal of 10,000 by the time full-rate production ends and these are all on top of LRASM manufacturing. So taking the very effective JASSM (and its longer range and enhanced ER/XR variants) and adding the capability to target any static/mobile target on the ground or at sea is the real game changer. This development means the defending forces in this scenario would very likely be able to strike with significantly more anti-ship missiles during such an operation. I also believe they would supplement the force as needed by adding in B-1B/B-2/B-52 bombers with JASSM/LRASM onboard (the B-1B can carry 24, the B-2 is 16, and the B-52 is 20). As far as target deconfliction, I think we have to constantly take a step back and directly compare DCS to the real world. For example, in the DCS singleplayer run at the end, the deconfliction wasn't that bad by DCS standards. Now, take those results which weren't too bad, and consider the fact DCS was never programmed with the intent of adding a Rapid Dragon type weapons platform or even advanced anti-ship cruise missiles and the simple fact this is a consumer-level military sim. Now take into consideration the hundreds of millions involved in developing the JASSM/LRASM/Rapid Dragon and the fact one of their primary goals is accurate target identification and deconfliction. Another way to think about the topic is to consider the efforts by DCS developers and the GR efforts to add capability to DCS. Now imagine what you could do with a team of hundreds of people and a virtually unlimited budget all with the goal and perfecting the results of JASSM/LRASM attacks. I'm betting all of those resources resulted in a highly effective targetting logic that will essentially result in near-perfection, which I would define as hitting the exact ship that was targetted, with the specific amount of missiles desired, and hitting the specific areas of the ship that are most advantageous.
Another brilliant job Cap; great fun watching, thanks also to the entire GR team! Idea: multi player lorasm de -confliction problem might be partly solved by sending launch aircraft to different release points to create a sort of pincer movement scenario... maybe worth a test?
Most likely, the Chinese would have hit with operational-tactical ballistic missiles based on ground-based complexes and cruise missiles at airfields where Taiwanese aviation is based (just like the Russians did in the early days of the attack on Ukraine, well, when they fought terrorists in Chechnya ), then they would have suppressed air defense and would have already acted with aviation or, with the help of aviation, suppressed air defense or together with ground systems and the fleet!
Would be interesting to see this fleet vs a more realistic approach with the land based harpoons that Taiwan is currently in the process of buying. Great video as always!
I believe they already have some harpoons.. but they're just in the process of buying more. I do agree though, it would have been interesting to see a couple dozen harpoons being shot on a time attack w/ the LRASM
@@gumballfan1232 Those are the ones to count on. Cho Bai Dung has slow-walked those huge arms purchases Taiwan made in 2019 with President Trump. They don't get the Harpoons until 2028. They don't get the M1A2 tanks until 2025. Xi didn't pay Cho over $50 Mil for nothing.
China already prepared a few cargo ships loaded with tonnes of nuclear waste from their reactors. They are deployed near US bases in Japan and South Korea and at potential US landing sites/resupply routes in Taiwan. In the prelude to any invasion, they will declare a civilian ship emergency with radioactive waste spewing from these ships, blocking off any American intervention. Then the invasion will proceed as planned. Besides, the US also has already demonstrated itself to be unable to handle any biochemical weapon with it's botched COVID response. You can be the Chinese and Russians have already weaponized various types of viruses to paralyze and decimate US population centers if they intervene in China or the Russian mainland.
Rapid Dragon is basically a Force Multiplier, giving the US additional weapons launchers without the cost of more bombers (nor the full combat capabilities of bombers).
On the topic of rtb issues for ai: I found that they return to the closest allied or neutral base. So as long as there are neutral bases on either china or taiwan, OPFOR is going to try to rtb there even if that means going into the lions den
I have two questions - Wouldn’t American forces be already on site in response to increasing tensions?!? And wouldn’t those forces include 2 to 4 Virginia Class SSNs?!?
As far as video ideas, I'd like to see a huge US vs. China ~2025 timeframe naval battle. Essentially it would be a huge Chinese fleet - perhaps two carriers and maybe even more than the two sets of standard escort ships (maybe 10-12 destroyers, some frigates). Maybe someone can think of a good story, or maybe it was perceived as a joint Chinese CSG training mission to train-up the crews on the newly established strike-group. But, unexpectedly, they make a quick turn just a few hundred miles away from a US CSG on standard patrol in the South China Sea and catch the US CSG in a vulnerable position, outnumbered and nowhere to run or get reinforced by additional ships in time. So, what option does the US have to help this vulnerable CSG under attack? A combination of some Rapid Dragon pallets from Tokyo/Guam and perhaps some long-range bombers with LRASM flying in to the rescue. It would have to be tuned as far as balancing goes, but I'd like to see if Rapid Dragon/LRASM can be added to the mix in an emergency to save the US CSG. Thanks Cap!
There will be a huge naval battle in the next coming weeks between UK and USA vs Russia and China. GR is waiting for the British fleet modernisation now. It should be done around next week. (What I mean "modernisation"? They dont have the proper Type 45 Destroyers and basically the whole British Navy fleet, and now a modder decided to model and make the 2025 British Navy fleet for them in the game. That means Type 26 Frigates, Type 23 Frigates, Type 45 Destroyers with their proper missiles and etc. They have a Type 45 Destroyer in the game now, which is not the proper one. Its just a remodeled old Alreigh Burke Destroyer mod basically, with only SM-2s)
a chinese csg full fleet against an prepared standard us csg they could overwhelem the amrican with asm missles the rapid dragon and f35 reinforcement would be more of a avenge mission rather then a rescue mission they wouldet make it in time if the chinese with there 12+ destroyer and many more 54a corvette and csg plane were to lunch all of there asm missles a standard peace time us navy csg normaly consisting of 2-3 burke class destroyer 1-2 tico class cruiser and 1 Virginia-class submarine they would not be able to defend the carrier against such a saturationn attack no matter how good aegis is you can only shoot 1 missle down at a time.
War is the most complex act of human beings. You guys need a hostile commander to bargain over the premise of the battle, such as when, where, the numbers and weapons on both sides, and so on. After agreeing on the premise of the battle, you each command your own army to fight against each other. By this way the script won't go too ridiculous. Otherwise you guys are just fight an imaginary war. Sure, it's fun that way, but it can be even more fun.
Love what you're doing CAP! Surely, the US wouldn't wait for the "Fleet" to arrive to mount a defense against the Chinese landing in Taiwan. The immediate launch of cruise missiles from nuc attack subs on-station in the western pacific and South China Sea along with the immediate launch of B-52s, B-1s, and B-2s all carrying a full loadout of LRASMs from continental US and Pacific bases would seem like an appropriate response to a surprise attack by the Chinese on Taiwan. Probably would require multiple war games to cover all this activity w/o crashing the servers.
Should have been targeting the logistics guys. LTS and LSVs. Cruisers and destroyers can’t land and supply ground forces. Thoroughly enjoyed it ! These presentations are fascinating and entertaining. Jolly good show chaps!
So apprently JASSM is invincible since I haven't seen one instance where it got intercepted even at close range. Curious to know if US Warships can intercept them.
Yeah me too i wonder even the US warships can intercept JASSM in Grim Reaper’s DCS simulation LOL . I think it is too overpowered , as far as i know ,not even a single JASSM was ever intercepted by chinese Fleet SAM network in his DCS simulation :3
theres something mathematically bugged with LRASMs we know planes have no issue shooting them down at 20 or so miles, We know chinese ships have no issue shooting down planes with a RCS similar to them at 20 miles, so why are they not engaging?
Cap - to deal with the deconfliction problem, try having the C-130s take different directions on takeoff. You all dropped in a tight bunch. If after takeoff, each C-130 took a different vector, that would spread out the LRASMs over a wider front, less likely they'll all focus on the same few ships.
Super Cap, try sending them out in waves; such as 1st sending group 1, three minutes later sending group two, three minutes later sending group 3, and so on.
Nice to see a simulation of this. I would think for this type of scenario there would be cargo planes carrying Rapid Dragon from Japan, Guam, Hawaii and maybe even the continental US. So instead of 32 missles striking, it might be more like 100-200 missiles. As long as they could all arrive on target at the same time, the antimissle defenses should be overwhelmed.
B-2 and B-52 will probably be on nuke standby alert duty. B-1B will be the primary quick reaction bombers for long range conventional missile strikes. C-130J with Rapid Dragon could provide critical additional missile volume if available. The numbers of available palletized missiles will be the question, depends on how much is spent and produced soon.
@@stupidburp Yeah for sure, if you don't have them you can't use them. There are a number of factors ignored in this 'scenario' but that is mostly because of the limits of the 'game'. Grim Reapears can only do so much with the 'package' but I do enjoy the honesty and Cap's enthuaistic commentary. Pax dude.
I think the Chinese fleet should have a fighter escort with a awacs. It wouldn't make sense to leave your most valuable assets completely reliant on ship based sensors. Slow low flying cruise missiles are best defended with airborne assets.
Sorry if someone already suggested this below, but would it be possible (and would it help) if the C-130s "fired" in a bit of a staggered or offset manner? Meaning 1 fires and a few minutes after the 2nd fires and so on until all have fired. Maybe with larger spacing between "LRASM" waves they could/would de-conflict better. I realize there is not a lot of time from take-off to launch. One other thought, what if the C-130s were able to attack from slightly different angles? I enjoy ALL of your videos! Keep up the awesome work!
Run a multiplayer scenario from the point in the single player, where multiple Chinese ships were hit. THEN, have the US fleet show up in combat range at a few minutes later. Also, maybe spread the C130s out in a fan shape. That could help with the deconfliction of the LRASMs.
I don’t think there are C-17’s positioned in Taiwan, but there would be C-17’s, B-1’s, B-2’s, F-22’s etc. inbound from Japan, South Korea, Philippines, Guam (?), etc..
@@TraditionalAnglican Could be, I don’t know if some of the planes are stationed there, but the US might send some of those planes over, especially the F-22s.
Good vid. I think strategically all you have to do is damage the invasion fleet enough to make proceeding with their mission untenable. More than just de-confliction I'd think that they would primarily target the landing ships and anyhting else carrying troops/weapons/supplies.
250 Patriots launched for almost no hits... They were launched outside of effective range obviously. Is it possible to program Taiwanese SAMs to not fire at max range, but wait and open fire only at something like 50% of max range ? The Pk should be much better then. Best tactic for Taiwanese F-16 (human players at least) would be then to keep initially over center of the island, wait untill Chinese planes get deep into Patriot fire zone and are fired at - some Chinese gets shot down, some dive to ground evading - and only then F-16s come and attack with altitude advantage, using AMRAAMs on suppressed Chinese planes. To make this fair, maybe some planes with anti-radar missiles should be given to Chinese side.
Great work with The Rapid Dragon! Same with The JASSM*! People don't keep in mind that these missiles are stealthy and practically scraping the Sea! I say use the results from single player lol it's not your fault DCS struggles with deconfliction! It's not just you either for all the haters core game struggles just the same with deconfliction just as well! Brilliant job keep up the amazing work and entertaining content!😁👍👍
In real life a task force of that size would have a airborne fleet defense that would have seen those coming and engaged them from beyond the radar horizon of the fleet. I don't know why this wasn't simulated with a handful of human players in this sim as they previously did it in another video and it would have given the reapers more flight time.
There is just one problem: The map shows Cyprus, a beautiful island in the eastern Mediterranean and parts of Lebanon, Syria and Israel. I guess you cannot explain me, what the piece of land above Cyprus is.
the limiting factors for this strategy appear to be the stockpile of missiles and the cargo aircraft available to make the drops. as of 2023 the US barely has any LRASMs and I don't think the ERs are in production yet. I've also heard other people point out that the cargo aircraft would have their hands full, hauling shit across the pacific so the likelihood that they would be available to make ordinance drops would be low. I'm not sure how much truth there is to the last point, but Rapid Dragon in combination with the various target acquisition capabilities is certainly a cool strategy to think about
Have the Grim Reapers ever done a scenario where they’re ordered to defend vulnerable aircraft like these C-130’s or similar from incoming missiles-be they air launched and/or surface launched? I’ve always been curious how effective a force would be in shooting down incoming missiles meant for other targets. It’s possible but how likely is it to be successful? Also, has there ever been a project to create an airborne CWIS? Working on an AWACS has always seemed like an extremely dangerous proposition considering the limited defenses the aircraft itself has.
Me personally, I don’t believe it was mission success for Taiwan. Granted, the landing fleet lost quite a few of their landing vessels, the remaining fleet could still perform a beachhead and the destroyers could provide fire support, and since China has complete air superiority, they would immediately deploy their airborne forces via plane and helicopter, while also performing supply drops via air, to make up for whatever supplies was lost on the destroyed supply ships. So, the most Taiwan did was reduce the combat and supply effectiveness of the landing fleet. All in all, this was a failure for Taiwan.
There is no good outcome for Taiwan tbh. It's a tiny densely populated island a stones throw from the world's second most powerful and largest military. Even if China never makes it across the strait, they'll just continue hitting the island with cruise missiles and PGM's until there's nothing left.
After their primary systems are destroyed, Taiwan will have to to hold out with man portable weapons. But they will be overwhelmed sooner or later. They need more modern equipment to increase their resistance effectiveness and hold out time.
imo you guys rushed to much. you were going to fast to launch and i think they would take their time and do it right. they would get above 10k and get into proper position. then they would be at least 1/2 mile apart. not so close together and then release at different altitudes above 10k. they def would not be able to continue with the invasion because they just dont know if there are more coming and thus would not want to loose a whole fleet which is billions of dollars at the bottom of the sea. also in my opinion if those cargo ships are filled with fuel and equipment. once they are hit they will def sink due to secondary explosions.
Personally, I'd go with the single player results, however I honestly don't think that would be enough to stop the invasion. The reason is, if China can start contesting Tiawan ground space, it greatly starts limiting the aide the US can provide. For China Ideally if they can turn the whole Island into a contested area, there is a good chance the US involvement would end. An Air war is one thing, but a ground war is another thing entirely especially when you're essentially going to have to completely retake the territory. With the whole island contested Tiawan basically loses all reinforcements which allows China to grind them down. Now likely they wouldn't be able to accomplish all of that before the US fleet arrives, but they could get a good beach head. With that they can start setting up SAM sites and deny the or at least push back the air in which the US could operate. That both cuts down on the reinforcements Tiawan could get while making it easier for China to get reinforcements into Tiawan. Basically, if China doesn't take that opportunity the odds are the war is going to become a lot longer and many, many times more bloody/costly for them with the odds of them ever being able to land an invasion fleet constantly decreasing. So, If it was me running the scenario, I'd go with China has a beach head and a SAM site set up with their combat ships providing additional air defense and fire support since being close to land I would suspect would provide some protection by limiting angles of attack. Also with temporary air superiority they are trying use paratroopers to capture a few airfields with air support and air cover being flown from China. The US mission would be primarily to eliminate the beach head, and secondary, if possible, eliminate the paratrooper transport aircraft while having to contend with any Chinses air patrols flying from the mainland.
i used to live in virginia near the NAS Oceana navy base and i would love to see some type of war games involving that base. By looking online there seems so be about 250 F/A-18 super hornets and i was lucky enough to get a tour of the base and hangers from my friend an F-18 pilot. Also with the navy ships stationed in port in that area and the Langley air force have with 5th gen, it would be cool to see russia attempt an attack and see THE BLOB of F/A-18s all scrambled.
I’d say the single player result would stop an invasion: the invading fleet would think that they’re likely to get more fire when they come closer to land (or subs).
Philippines and S. Korea are already within the RD engagement envelope. Japan is almost close enough. That basically means that once an aircraft to gets to altitude in any of those locations, the time to target is an hour or less. Even if the Chinese could transit the strait in 3 hours, they'd be caught mid-channel. No need to put more than a few C-130s on Taiwan If you have a dozen C-17s dumping 45 missiles each from locations that are essentially outside the combat envelope.
Taiwan also has a range of smaller air defence and anti-ship systems. The question is how many the Chinese would be able to locate and destroy before they launched their invasion. If we're imagining that 3 Patriot sites would survive, then it would make sense that a lot of the other kit would as well (hidden prior to and during the initial strikes?).
Great video .. think, tho, with 12 B-52s flying at 50,000 feet and coming from multiple angles dropping a full load of 500-pound gravity bombs (total of 1000 bombs), this is a straight psychological effect. They can drop these dam near in a straight line as the ship scatters 6 B-2s can come in also, at different angles carrying 190 SDB each, which will be more than enough to sink 95 percent of the ships, let alone with our subs. I say the fleet doesn't get past the 50-mile mark even with the 2000 cruise missile they launch. As this phase continues, a squadron of B1 bombers drops Mark 65 Quickstrike mines. Total of 1000 of them at 500 lbs each. I doubt there will be any follow-ups. This is all done at a relativity low cost. This will give the Air Force time to launch cruise missiles at very selective targets that launch the cruise missile along with tomahawks and the shipyards the fleet launch out of. Navy Seabees will be landing at air bases, getting them up and running within 24 to 72 hours, enough for us to get some sorites going so we can get air supremacy back in control. China has come a long way since 95, but it's still NBA Vs. High School in basketball analogy. This will be a 100-hour war.
With how interlaced various systems are on modern warships (and given what is known about the damage control systems on Chinese ships as well as how easily the Moskva was sunk) it wouldn't take more than one hit to at least cripple or "capability kill" a warship, possibly even sinking it outright if it hits in the right spot. So, 4x12= 48 with (realistically) each missile going to a different target that fleet would've been incapable of launching an invasion at the very least.
While JASSM is not perfect I favor the single player results, because the swarm AI would allow the missiles to share targeting data. First missile to get a clear view might attack the 701, but it will feed info on the rest of the ships helping the following birds to shift priorities in the terminal phase.
Fun facts, during the Rapid Dragon development, there was also an effort to change over Boeing 747's to have cruise missile launching capacity. They would have had a slightly different launching system. They wouldn't be able to drop off the entire crate system like C-130s are able too.
@@stupidburp Naturally, but assuming they get the export version it's got 130Nm range so in theory you can dip into a s400 sam, Yeet & get out before thier missiles get on target
PLAN will have 10x the subs in the area plus extensive surface and air anti submarine platforms. US subs will have to just drop mines in the strait then lurk further away. Kill ratio will favor the US subs but they will not be able to operate freely in the strait. Instead they will be busy to the Northeast and Southeast of Taiwan picking targets but also with many hunting them.
No doubt they will have some but the PLAN will also have numerous auxiliary vessels available to run the gauntlet and clear some mines. This is probably part of the purpose of their state owned stout fishing fleet that doesn’t do any fishing.
Rapid Dragon Series:
Rapid Dragon & MALD vs Russian Black Sea Fleet: ruclips.net/video/sHTGKG1cYec/видео.html
Rapid Dragon vs IJN WWII Carrier Group: ruclips.net/video/QXONs2voDjE/видео.html
Rapid Dragon vs Russian Black Sea Fleet: ruclips.net/video/rvUTl6xjxqY/видео.html
Rapid Dragon vs Omaha Beach Defenses: ruclips.net/video/k4T1WWtVyYk/видео.html
Rapid Dragon vs Chinese Invasion Fleet: ruclips.net/video/MQ1wrspnL7A/видео.html
You have GOT to lower the game audio a bit, engines are always BLASTING my eardrums.
Can you run a scenario with C17 Rapid Dragon deployment? Maybe a flights of 4 each with departures from Guam, Japan and Hawaii?
Who are you guys kidding? The island is Cyprus, and the mainland is Israel, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan.
Can you please answer the question of why you are showing Cyprus and the eastern Mediterranean? Have I missed something?
why chinese sams were not killing larasm?
Small correction: The C-130 can carry 12 missiles each, not 8. The C-17 meanwhile can carry a staggering 45 missiles.
One pallet for C-130 is 6 missiles and it can carry 2 pallets. C-17 is 9 per pallet and can carry 5 pallets.
@@scruboak17Goddamn, that will be a massive game-changer in any battle.
@@st3althyone in perspective. 4 C17s can basically decimate the entire Chinese navy
@@s4ss.m8 Yeah, I’d love to see that!
But what's the cost of the platform? Losing a C-130 has a lot different than losing a c17
29:40 not only did that awacs dodge the two missiles, it didn't get gunned. Give that pilot a raise!
Agree
@@grimreapers lol Yo Cap that's why The Taiwanese are keeping their F-16V's underground ;)
Check it out-- ruclips.net/video/ERLdBDvvB0w/видео.html
Lmao why does this keep getting taken down....??
@@grimreapers Yo Cap PLEASE check out this vid about NSM and just as interesting, its launch platform! Lol essentially a drone truck with a NSM on the back! Pretty damn cool I personally think! It'd be absolutely EPIC if you guys could create a Mod of this-- ruclips.net/video/WJFP7xZdeXQ/видео.html
Yo my bad for using your post to bother Cap with my Vids I'm trying to get em to watch lol however every time I posted them they were taken down...😅✌
I'd credit the overall team in the plane. Because they had excellent situational awareness, high-powered jammers and fortunately a skilled crew on the flight deck.
I've played too much cold waters.
I'm mentally going through what I'd do with a Sea Wolf, a steady supply of strong coffee for my crew, and a permissive ROE.
8 Tubes of death.
Captain of USN Seawolf: “Dear China, your navy has so many pretty ships. It’d be a damned shame if … something were to happen to them.”
Another thing to consider is that when an AShM hits a ship, a lot of people can die. So even if the ship is still operational, there's a very good chance that a sizable portion of the troops onboard are no longer fit to fight.
Sweating bullets when Cap was trying to push those C-130s to 10 thousand feet!
Time for a LRASM-Gasm👍
One thing you can't model of course is the likely US Submarines that would be lurking in the area and they'd definitely go after or at the very least distract the naval fleet.
Or the Chinese anti-sumbarine platforms that would 100% be waiting for them to get involved.
How effective can they be in a sea with a depth of 70 metres and lots of Chinese anti submarine vessels available. They have so many that they could basically cordon of both sides of the strait completely
There would be at least one carrier task force in the area. Also, destroyers routinely patrol the area from Yokosuka, with refueling in Okinawa.
US subs would be at a disadvantage in this situation since they’re all nukes and not diesel electrics. Much easier for China’s ASW to find.
@@The_Brozilla easy he said.
I say one thing: loitering torpedo munitions.
The subs will never be where the killing is.
I appreciated Cap's comments about volunteering to work with children and how he picks up colds etc. from them. As a teacher of nearly 40 years, I know how that is. Teachers have perpetual colds for the first three school years. If the last that long, they get a degree of immunity. Kudos, Cap, for working with the children! Take care of yourself, though. Good luck!
Parents too. I remember when my kids where
_"I wouldn't want to be in a F-16 right now."_
Says the guy flying a C-130 into the furball.
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Thank you , thank you , thank you ! I've been hoping you'd do this video ! Palletised weapons on literally hundreds of possible delivery platforms. Every cargo plane loaded with missiles to strike from beyond anti-air range . Game changer.
Yay they did rapid dragon! I’ve been wanting someone to sim this considering all the hype
Question is how many will be available at the time in the area? Need large orders now if it is going to be a realistic deterrent.
Imagine a C5 Galaxy deploying Rapid Dragon
@@hf117jNow that would be a sight to behold!
Question is...how many are already in theater that nobody knows about because the dumb snitches that got caught were fed useless information?@@stupidburp
Excellent!!! While 4 C-130's is a decent start, what about a full squadron of Rapid Dragon Cargo planes engaging from Okinawa? Would they have to deploy from a higher altitude to cover the distance?
A landing fleet will take between 6-8 hours to cross the strait, longer for the slower vessels. More than enough time for planes from Okinawa to arrive within striking distance.
My thought is this is a “Taiwan is proxy” scenario, the planes and missiles were purchased under lend/lease with local pilots and must launch locally.
…you know, to avoid the whole h-bomb apocalypse over really good silicon fabs.
@@markonw6661 you see the missiles were purchased, but there was an unfortunate accident in the cargo planes causing all of the missiles to be jettisoned
@@anotheralpharius2056 Rapid Dragon goes out like any other cargo jettison, the beauty of it, all the brains and control are hosted on the crate.
“The crew thought they were dropping water bottles, mixup back at base”…I love it.
@@markonw6661 I am happy to see the Rapid Dragon Missile System is up & running in the game now as there is now a slew of targets that can be attacked now. Especially if Radar suppressing aircraft are used ahead of the attack to not only blind SAM sites, but all enemy aircraft and surface assets. Plus I am sure these missiles can be nuclear tipped for attacking Ports and Bases, and other military installations. What would it take to attack Moscow using the Rapid Dragon Missile System?
Seems odd that the 256 Patriot shots didn’t do more.
yea i feel like 256 shots would do more than just 15 jets
@@bagelmaster2498 Old technology, probably less in reality. China is exponentially threatening for sure. Updating is the key here! it’s a business!
DCS AI are really rubbish at designating and sequencing launches to be effective and efficient.
Patriots seem to have a case of premature launch.
@@jdo8405 I think people forget that most modern SAMs are mobile and Taiwan has invested very substantially in their survivability, and will likely hold some back in reserve, but yes, by the time China launches its amphibious assault it is likely that Taiwan would be entirely depleted of aircraft’s and long range air defenses.
However, I think this scenario here is one where China launches the amphibious landing right after initial missile waves, potentially within hours of first strike, rather than having had time to systematically eliminate all air defenses, which would take at least a week even by pessimistic estimates by the US. In this case Taiwan would still be able to mount a certain level of response to contest for air superiority.
Considering the range of the LRASM/JASSM, it would make sense for Taiwan to have ground launched versions. A nice little slingshot should be enough to get them airborne.
Realistically they wouldn't get them until the technology is well and truely obsolete because of the amount of chinese spies on the island.
Sensative technology is almost never sold to taiwan exact out of fear of espionage.
And there is a ground launched version of LRASM that we could position during the run up to hostilities.
@@TraditionalAnglican unless they were placed on taiwan directly they wouldn't have the range, and if they were on taiwan, they'd be prime targets for bombardment at the start.
They will be getting the Typhoon weapon system. Not stealth but it will allow Taiwan to be able to strike back at ships or VERY far into the interior of, China. Mobile Tomahawk (Block-5) Launchers. The same system can also launch SM-6 missiles for anti-air. They also have a land based mobile remote NSM launcher that is being fielded by the USMC which will undoubtedly get "lent" to, Taiwan. Taiwan's air defense and ship/shore striking abilities are being rapidly advanced.
I guarntee thar one random chinese general took notes from this video, very interesting tho.
I still think LRASMs are totally unrealistic, not even an attempt to intercept with missiles? Even though planes can shoot them down at >20 miles? What gives?
The beauty of stealth missiles?
Thank you Cap, awesome development added to the mix. The key force multiplier for the Rapid Dragon platform is the rumor (coming from a defense industry think-tank) that the JASSM (which is the base cruise missile used to design LRASM) has the necessary hardware/technology to receive what is effectively a firmware/software patch to its programming in order to enable anti-ship capabilities. The JASSM has been (and will continue to be per current budgets) manufactured in much greater numbers than LRASM, with the current stockpike estimated at around 2,000 and the stated procurement goal of 10,000 by the time full-rate production ends and these are all on top of LRASM manufacturing. So taking the very effective JASSM (and its longer range and enhanced ER/XR variants) and adding the capability to target any static/mobile target on the ground or at sea is the real game changer.
This development means the defending forces in this scenario would very likely be able to strike with significantly more anti-ship missiles during such an operation. I also believe they would supplement the force as needed by adding in B-1B/B-2/B-52 bombers with JASSM/LRASM onboard (the B-1B can carry 24, the B-2 is 16, and the B-52 is 20). As far as target deconfliction, I think we have to constantly take a step back and directly compare DCS to the real world.
For example, in the DCS singleplayer run at the end, the deconfliction wasn't that bad by DCS standards. Now, take those results which weren't too bad, and consider the fact DCS was never programmed with the intent of adding a Rapid Dragon type weapons platform or even advanced anti-ship cruise missiles and the simple fact this is a consumer-level military sim. Now take into consideration the hundreds of millions involved in developing the JASSM/LRASM/Rapid Dragon and the fact one of their primary goals is accurate target identification and deconfliction. Another way to think about the topic is to consider the efforts by DCS developers and the GR efforts to add capability to DCS. Now imagine what you could do with a team of hundreds of people and a virtually unlimited budget all with the goal and perfecting the results of JASSM/LRASM attacks. I'm betting all of those resources resulted in a highly effective targetting logic that will essentially result in near-perfection, which I would define as hitting the exact ship that was targetted, with the specific amount of missiles desired, and hitting the specific areas of the ship that are most advantageous.
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Rapid dragon is very impressive. A C-17 can launch up to 45 missiles. I had no idea what was possible.
Taiwan: "We don't know how many Chinese it'll take to kick our asses...but we know how many they're gonna use."
Another brilliant job Cap; great fun watching, thanks also to the entire GR team!
Idea: multi player lorasm de -confliction problem might be partly solved by sending launch aircraft to different release points to create a sort of pincer movement scenario... maybe worth a test?
Agreed.
Most likely, the Chinese would have hit with operational-tactical ballistic missiles based on ground-based complexes and cruise missiles at airfields where Taiwanese aviation is based (just like the Russians did in the early days of the attack on Ukraine, well, when they fought terrorists in Chechnya ), then they would have suppressed air defense and would have already acted with aviation or, with the help of aviation, suppressed air defense or together with ground systems and the fleet!
Would be interesting to see this fleet vs a more realistic approach with the land based harpoons that Taiwan is currently in the process of buying. Great video as always!
Taiwan also has a large stockpile of their own domestically made anti-ship missiles (Hsiung Feng II & III).
I believe they already have some harpoons.. but they're just in the process of buying more. I do agree though, it would have been interesting to see a couple dozen harpoons being shot on a time attack w/ the LRASM
@@gumballfan1232 Those are the ones to count on. Cho Bai Dung has slow-walked those huge arms purchases Taiwan made in 2019 with President Trump. They don't get the Harpoons until 2028. They don't get the M1A2 tanks until 2025. Xi didn't pay Cho over $50 Mil for nothing.
China already prepared a few cargo ships loaded with tonnes of nuclear waste from their reactors. They are deployed near US bases in Japan and South Korea and at potential US landing sites/resupply routes in Taiwan.
In the prelude to any invasion, they will declare a civilian ship emergency with radioactive waste spewing from these ships, blocking off any American intervention.
Then the invasion will proceed as planned.
Besides, the US also has already demonstrated itself to be unable to handle any biochemical weapon with it's botched COVID response. You can be the Chinese and Russians have already weaponized various types of viruses to paralyze and decimate US population centers if they intervene in China or the Russian mainland.
Timely !!!
Now, can we get a Rapid Dragon suspended under a giant balloon? Maybe multiple balloons.
Asking for a friend.
Yes. Attach the Rapid Dragon to the balloon from the other video and fly them at 100,000 ft. Use a squadron of balloons to attack the fleet.
YESSSSSSSSS!!! Awesome I was waiting for this Cap! Perfect! Magnifico! And thank you!
Rapid Dragon is basically a Force Multiplier, giving the US additional weapons launchers without the cost of more bombers (nor the full combat capabilities of bombers).
On the topic of rtb issues for ai: I found that they return to the closest allied or neutral base. So as long as there are neutral bases on either china or taiwan, OPFOR is going to try to rtb there even if that means going into the lions den
Shrewd observation.
Pax
Well that's just stupid isn't it?
I have two questions - Wouldn’t American forces be already on site in response to increasing tensions?!? And wouldn’t those forces include 2 to 4 Virginia Class SSNs?!?
As far as video ideas, I'd like to see a huge US vs. China ~2025 timeframe naval battle. Essentially it would be a huge Chinese fleet - perhaps two carriers and maybe even more than the two sets of standard escort ships (maybe 10-12 destroyers, some frigates). Maybe someone can think of a good story, or maybe it was perceived as a joint Chinese CSG training mission to train-up the crews on the newly established strike-group. But, unexpectedly, they make a quick turn just a few hundred miles away from a US CSG on standard patrol in the South China Sea and catch the US CSG in a vulnerable position, outnumbered and nowhere to run or get reinforced by additional ships in time.
So, what option does the US have to help this vulnerable CSG under attack? A combination of some Rapid Dragon pallets from Tokyo/Guam and perhaps some long-range bombers with LRASM flying in to the rescue. It would have to be tuned as far as balancing goes, but I'd like to see if Rapid Dragon/LRASM can be added to the mix in an emergency to save the US CSG. Thanks Cap!
Multiple B-1B with LRASM and JASSM from Guam striking the PLA fleets and outposts then Australian fleets and aircraft arrive to help.
There will be a huge naval battle in the next coming weeks between UK and USA vs Russia and China. GR is waiting for the British fleet modernisation now. It should be done around next week. (What I mean "modernisation"? They dont have the proper Type 45 Destroyers and basically the whole British Navy fleet, and now a modder decided to model and make the 2025 British Navy fleet for them in the game. That means Type 26 Frigates, Type 23 Frigates, Type 45 Destroyers with their proper missiles and etc. They have a Type 45 Destroyer in the game now, which is not the proper one. Its just a remodeled old Alreigh Burke Destroyer mod basically, with only SM-2s)
a chinese csg full fleet against an prepared standard us csg they could overwhelem the amrican with asm missles the rapid dragon and f35 reinforcement would be more of a avenge mission rather then a rescue mission they wouldet make it in time if the chinese with there 12+ destroyer and many more 54a corvette and csg plane were to lunch all of there asm missles a standard peace time us navy csg normaly consisting of 2-3 burke class destroyer 1-2 tico class cruiser and 1 Virginia-class submarine they would not be able to defend the carrier against such a saturationn attack no matter how good aegis is you can only shoot 1 missle down at a time.
War is the most complex act of human beings.
You guys need a hostile commander to bargain over the premise of the battle, such as when, where, the numbers and weapons on both sides, and so on. After agreeing on the premise of the battle, you each command your own army to fight against each other. By this way the script won't go too ridiculous.
Otherwise you guys are just fight an imaginary war. Sure, it's fun that way, but it can be even more fun.
I see a gr video, i click
Love what you're doing CAP!
Surely, the US wouldn't wait for the "Fleet" to arrive to mount a defense against the Chinese landing in Taiwan. The immediate launch of cruise missiles from nuc attack subs on-station in the western pacific and South China Sea along with the immediate launch of B-52s, B-1s, and B-2s all carrying a full loadout of LRASMs from continental US and Pacific bases would seem like an appropriate response to a surprise attack by the Chinese on Taiwan. Probably would require multiple war games to cover all this activity w/o crashing the servers.
Just love your play by play. Plan to watch all your stuff
what i been wating for for months n months
C17’s out of Guam would be launched and would bring the hurt. The number of LRSM’s out of C17 is much higher and would not need to launch from Taiwan.
Is anyone else singing "Rapid Dragon" in their head to the tune of Rockin' Robin?
No, but now I am - thanks...
Should have been targeting the logistics guys. LTS and LSVs.
Cruisers and destroyers can’t land and supply ground forces.
Thoroughly enjoyed it !
These presentations are fascinating and entertaining.
Jolly good show chaps!
exactly the supply and landing ships if they were hit the invasio would be stop cold.
So apprently JASSM is invincible since I haven't seen one instance where it got intercepted even at close range. Curious to know if US Warships can intercept them.
Yeah me too i wonder even the US warships can intercept JASSM in Grim Reaper’s DCS simulation LOL . I think it is too overpowered , as far as i know ,not even a single JASSM was ever intercepted by chinese Fleet SAM network in his DCS simulation :3
theres something mathematically bugged with LRASMs we know planes have no issue shooting them down at 20 or so miles, We know chinese ships have no issue shooting down planes with a RCS similar to them at 20 miles, so why are they not engaging?
JASSM is not same thing as LRASM(look similar). Most get shot down in this battle: ruclips.net/video/KMwYjJghQiA/видео.html
@@hughmungus2760 lol you guys are forgetting about the altitude at which they fly at
The US is lacking in technology.
Mostly because it has spent little money on defense, and because it has really bad universities. lolz you dork
Cap - to deal with the deconfliction problem, try having the C-130s take different directions on takeoff. You all dropped in a tight bunch. If after takeoff, each C-130 took a different vector, that would spread out the LRASMs over a wider front, less likely they'll all focus on the same few ships.
New NATO airbase in Cincu Romania should house a fleet of these bad boys for the Black Sea Orc fleet
Rapid Dragon is quite the interesting weapons deployment system. Is like a fleet in a box!
EPIC work rate Cap and GRs! Superb effort!!
Irl the number of missiles would probably be 10x this one, plus the Hercules can load 12 missiles each not 8
I'd like to see humans on both sides. However good the AI is, humans still are far superior and make a huge differnce.
AI don;t understand "the big picture"
ohh I wanted to see them come out of the boxes
Not animated yet otherwise I would show. Currently just spawns missiles in below plane.
I gotta say, its always a good day when the Herc gets to fly. Also, that missle count just before the Herc launch, omg. That is terrifying.
Super Cap, try sending them out in waves; such as 1st sending group 1, three minutes later sending group two, three minutes later sending group 3, and so on.
Nice to see a simulation of this. I would think for this type of scenario there would be cargo planes carrying Rapid Dragon from Japan, Guam, Hawaii and maybe even the continental US. So instead of 32 missles striking, it might be more like 100-200 missiles. As long as they could all arrive on target at the same time, the antimissle defenses should be overwhelmed.
Plus B52, B1 and B2s. Chucking lords knows what into the theatre. I would not wanna be a Chinese Marine.
B-2 and B-52 will probably be on nuke standby alert duty. B-1B will be the primary quick reaction bombers for long range conventional missile strikes. C-130J with Rapid Dragon could provide critical additional missile volume if available. The numbers of available palletized missiles will be the question, depends on how much is spent and produced soon.
@@stupidburp Yeah for sure, if you don't have them you can't use them. There are a number of factors ignored in this 'scenario' but that is mostly because of the limits of the 'game'.
Grim Reapears can only do so much with the 'package' but I do enjoy the honesty and Cap's enthuaistic commentary.
Pax dude.
lol. there are like 400 LRASM in existance right now. You're firing of half the entire inventory in one salvo.
@@hughmungus2760 more like 2,000 missiles ... JASSM v LRASM is firmware. See
@jamison884 comment below
I think the Chinese fleet should have a fighter escort with a awacs. It wouldn't make sense to leave your most valuable assets completely reliant on ship based sensors. Slow low flying cruise missiles are best defended with airborne assets.
I hadn't heard of the Rapid Dragon until now. So I guess they just need to make BVRAAM bus variant, so the C-130 can finally replace everything ever.
Sorry if someone already suggested this below, but would it be possible (and would it help) if the C-130s "fired" in a bit of a staggered or offset manner? Meaning 1 fires and a few minutes after the 2nd fires and so on until all have fired. Maybe with larger spacing between "LRASM" waves they could/would de-conflict better. I realize there is not a lot of time from take-off to launch. One other thought, what if the C-130s were able to attack from slightly different angles? I enjoy ALL of your videos! Keep up the awesome work!
Before I watch this, I hope I get to see an F-16V vs. A J-10 dogfight (a backwards F-16) 😄 !!
Run a multiplayer scenario from the point in the single player, where multiple Chinese ships were hit. THEN, have the US fleet show up in combat range at a few minutes later. Also, maybe spread the C130s out in a fan shape. That could help with the deconfliction of the LRASMs.
I’ve been waiting for an operation rapid dragon video😊
@14:26 that probably had a different meaning than I heard in my head.
how strange the results in single ver multi. Yet another Quality video that has made my poop day that much better thnaks GR your are amazing
Dropping the rapid dragon with a minute between C-130's might give them time to find fresh targets.
Another awesome video. Good job.
So, quick question, why did you use C-130's instead of C-17's, which can carry double the pallets of the 130?
I don’t think there are C-17’s positioned in Taiwan, but there would be C-17’s, B-1’s, B-2’s, F-22’s etc. inbound from Japan, South Korea, Philippines, Guam (?), etc..
@@TraditionalAnglican Could be, I don’t know if some of the planes are stationed there, but the US might send some of those planes over, especially the F-22s.
In the battle space of only 100 nautical miles , a fleet is sitting duck for concentration of submarine , surface and airborne fires.
second wave a flight of B-52s launching cruise/harpoons from clark air field in the Phillipeans??
Good vid. I think strategically all you have to do is damage the invasion fleet enough to make proceeding with their mission untenable. More than just de-confliction I'd think that they would primarily target the landing ships and anyhting else carrying troops/weapons/supplies.
I don’t know how are you guys made a rapid dragon mod but this is the coolest thing ever!!!
They would have complete air dominance before they sent ships across the street.
They have no time for that. If they do not begin the invasion as quickly as possible, the USN will arrive to stop it.
@@bad_covfefeit would not take China a full 24 hours to gain control over the straight I'm sorry
And why would they need full co trolnof the airspace they have ships with Sam's aswell as and based Sam's
The fact that our sexy new HAWC program is now complete & operational will now also factor into Chinese thinking if this were IRL.
250 Patriots launched for almost no hits... They were launched outside of effective range obviously.
Is it possible to program Taiwanese SAMs to not fire at max range, but wait and open fire only at something like 50% of max range ? The Pk should be much better then.
Best tactic for Taiwanese F-16 (human players at least) would be then to keep initially over center of the island, wait untill Chinese planes get deep into Patriot fire zone and are fired at - some Chinese gets shot down, some dive to ground evading - and only then F-16s come and attack with altitude advantage, using AMRAAMs on suppressed Chinese planes. To make this fair, maybe some planes with anti-radar missiles should be given to Chinese side.
Yeah dcs has an early fire issue, in reality they’d work very well
Taiwan is crazy if they aren’t trying everything to buy the Israeli Iron Dome, David’s Sling and Arrow systems
its a bit unrealistic, the first thing China would do is take all the runways out. Just like in real life.
And Taiwan has more than 30 planes they accounted for the runways and air force destruction by only having 30 fighters
@@Utubesuperstar ah i missed that.
Great work with The Rapid Dragon! Same with The JASSM*! People don't keep in mind that these missiles are stealthy and practically scraping the Sea! I say use the results from single player lol it's not your fault DCS struggles with deconfliction! It's not just you either for all the haters core game struggles just the same with deconfliction just as well! Brilliant job keep up the amazing work and entertaining content!😁👍👍
In real life a task force of that size would have a airborne fleet defense that would have seen those coming and engaged them from beyond the radar horizon of the fleet. I don't know why this wasn't simulated with a handful of human players in this sim as they previously did it in another video and it would have given the reapers more flight time.
Still good despite the programming limitations!
There is just one problem: The map shows Cyprus, a beautiful island in the eastern Mediterranean and parts of Lebanon, Syria and Israel.
I guess you cannot explain me, what the piece of land above Cyprus is.
the limiting factors for this strategy appear to be the stockpile of missiles and the cargo aircraft available to make the drops. as of 2023 the US barely has any LRASMs and I don't think the ERs are in production yet. I've also heard other people point out that the cargo aircraft would have their hands full, hauling shit across the pacific so the likelihood that they would be available to make ordinance drops would be low. I'm not sure how much truth there is to the last point, but Rapid Dragon in combination with the various target acquisition capabilities is certainly a cool strategy to think about
I got an idea for a match up! The world against alien invasion!
Have the Grim Reapers ever done a scenario where they’re ordered to defend vulnerable aircraft like these C-130’s or similar from incoming missiles-be they air launched and/or surface launched?
I’ve always been curious how effective a force would be in shooting down incoming missiles meant for other targets. It’s possible but how likely is it to be successful?
Also, has there ever been a project to create an airborne CWIS? Working on an AWACS has always seemed like an extremely dangerous proposition considering the limited defenses the aircraft itself has.
Cap needs a Honey and Lemon
Me personally, I don’t believe it was mission success for Taiwan. Granted, the landing fleet lost quite a few of their landing vessels, the remaining fleet could still perform a beachhead and the destroyers could provide fire support, and since China has complete air superiority, they would immediately deploy their airborne forces via plane and helicopter, while also performing supply drops via air, to make up for whatever supplies was lost on the destroyed supply ships. So, the most Taiwan did was reduce the combat and supply effectiveness of the landing fleet. All in all, this was a failure for Taiwan.
There is no good outcome for Taiwan tbh. It's a tiny densely populated island a stones throw from the world's second most powerful and largest military. Even if China never makes it across the strait, they'll just continue hitting the island with cruise missiles and PGM's until there's nothing left.
After their primary systems are destroyed, Taiwan will have to to hold out with man portable weapons. But they will be overwhelmed sooner or later. They need more modern equipment to increase their resistance effectiveness and hold out time.
There would definitely be follow up Rapid Dragon waves from Philippines and Okinawa.
imo you guys rushed to much. you were going to fast to launch and i think they would take their time and do it right. they would get above 10k and get into proper position. then they would be at least 1/2 mile apart. not so close together and then release at different altitudes above 10k. they def would not be able to continue with the invasion because they just dont know if there are more coming and thus would not want to loose a whole fleet which is billions of dollars at the bottom of the sea. also in my opinion if those cargo ships are filled with fuel and equipment. once they are hit they will def sink due to secondary explosions.
Personally, I'd go with the single player results, however I honestly don't think that would be enough to stop the invasion. The reason is, if China can start contesting Tiawan ground space, it greatly starts limiting the aide the US can provide. For China Ideally if they can turn the whole Island into a contested area, there is a good chance the US involvement would end. An Air war is one thing, but a ground war is another thing entirely especially when you're essentially going to have to completely retake the territory. With the whole island contested Tiawan basically loses all reinforcements which allows China to grind them down. Now likely they wouldn't be able to accomplish all of that before the US fleet arrives, but they could get a good beach head. With that they can start setting up SAM sites and deny the or at least push back the air in which the US could operate. That both cuts down on the reinforcements Tiawan could get while making it easier for China to get reinforcements into Tiawan.
Basically, if China doesn't take that opportunity the odds are the war is going to become a lot longer and many, many times more bloody/costly for them with the odds of them ever being able to land an invasion fleet constantly decreasing. So, If it was me running the scenario, I'd go with China has a beach head and a SAM site set up with their combat ships providing additional air defense and fire support since being close to land I would suspect would provide some protection by limiting angles of attack. Also with temporary air superiority they are trying use paratroopers to capture a few airfields with air support and air cover being flown from China. The US mission would be primarily to eliminate the beach head, and secondary, if possible, eliminate the paratrooper transport aircraft while having to contend with any Chinses air patrols flying from the mainland.
One Trident missle would clear that straight real quick.
i used to live in virginia near the NAS Oceana navy base and i would love to see some type of war games involving that base. By looking online there seems so be about 250 F/A-18 super hornets and i was lucky enough to get a tour of the base and hangers from my friend an F-18 pilot. Also with the navy ships stationed in port in that area and the Langley air force have with 5th gen, it would be cool to see russia attempt an attack and see THE BLOB of F/A-18s all scrambled.
I’d say the single player result would stop an invasion: the invading fleet would think that they’re likely to get more fire when they come closer to land (or subs).
Philippines and S. Korea are already within the RD engagement envelope. Japan is almost close enough. That basically means that once an aircraft to gets to altitude in any of those locations, the time to target is an hour or less.
Even if the Chinese could transit the strait in 3 hours, they'd be caught mid-channel. No need to put more than a few C-130s on Taiwan If you have a dozen C-17s dumping 45 missiles each from locations that are essentially outside the combat envelope.
Taiwan also has a range of smaller air defence and anti-ship systems. The question is how many the Chinese would be able to locate and destroy before they launched their invasion. If we're imagining that 3 Patriot sites would survive, then it would make sense that a lot of the other kit would as well (hidden prior to and during the initial strikes?).
Hmmm, I don’t remember Taiwan looking like that
Great video .. think, tho, with 12 B-52s flying at 50,000 feet and coming from multiple angles dropping a full load of 500-pound gravity bombs (total of 1000 bombs), this is a straight psychological effect. They can drop these dam near in a straight line as the ship scatters 6 B-2s can come in also, at different angles carrying 190 SDB each, which will be more than enough to sink 95 percent of the ships, let alone with our subs.
I say the fleet doesn't get past the 50-mile mark even with the 2000 cruise missile they launch. As this phase continues, a squadron of B1 bombers drops Mark 65 Quickstrike mines. Total of 1000 of them at 500 lbs each. I doubt there will be any follow-ups. This is all done at a relativity low cost.
This will give the Air Force time to launch cruise missiles at very selective targets that launch the cruise missile along with tomahawks and the shipyards the fleet launch out of.
Navy Seabees will be landing at air bases, getting them up and running within 24 to 72 hours, enough for us to get some sorites going so we can get air supremacy back in control. China has come a long way since 95, but it's still NBA Vs. High School in basketball analogy.
This will be a 100-hour war.
I think Grim only dropped one of his pallets judging by the external camera view?
I like how you gained a LRASM from nowhere at 21:20
With how interlaced various systems are on modern warships (and given what is known about the damage control systems on Chinese ships as well as how easily the Moskva was sunk) it wouldn't take more than one hit to at least cripple or "capability kill" a warship, possibly even sinking it outright if it hits in the right spot. So, 4x12= 48 with (realistically) each missile going to a different target that fleet would've been incapable of launching an invasion at the very least.
The real test would be when the Chinese get to within a mile of shore and a couple hundred hardened artillery open up :P
Landing ships typically deploy their payload of amphib tanks/ifvs a dozen miles away from shore
Ahh, Tuesday night beer and bombs. Cheers GR!🎉 🇨🇦 Veteran.
While JASSM is not perfect I favor the single player results, because the swarm AI would allow the missiles to share targeting data. First missile to get a clear view might attack the 701, but it will feed info on the rest of the ships helping the following birds to shift priorities in the terminal phase.
Newbie here: could friendly AWACS designate targets to LRASMs, ignoring support ships and concentrating fire on the troop ships?
Real life = PROBABLY game = NO
it sounds like you have a cold or something, get well😇😇
Suh Weeeet. I never even knew the Rapid Dragon was a thing. Another knowledge expanding video from the boss's of sexy aerioplanes. Love every minute!
Fun facts, during the Rapid Dragon development, there was also an effort to change over Boeing 747's to have cruise missile launching capacity. They would have had a slightly different launching system. They wouldn't be able to drop off the entire crate system like C-130s are able too.
so given the announcments from the last few days how well could typhoons equipped with meteors & storm shadows do at taking out the kerch bridge?
Approach vector would be difficult without clearing some SAM sites first.
@@stupidburp Naturally, but assuming they get the export version it's got 130Nm range so in theory you can dip into a s400 sam, Yeet & get out before thier missiles get on target
Interesting.
Wonder what would happen if one or two hercs launched from further north and dragons came in on multiple fronts.
are submarines going to be modeled? My guess this fleet would also need to dodge us torpedoes and sub launched missiles.
PLAN will have 10x the subs in the area plus extensive surface and air anti submarine platforms. US subs will have to just drop mines in the strait then lurk further away. Kill ratio will favor the US subs but they will not be able to operate freely in the strait. Instead they will be busy to the Northeast and Southeast of Taiwan picking targets but also with many hunting them.
Just started working in game BUT it means I now have to start thinking about ASW etc before I can use subs.
I wonder why DCS hasn't modeled China and Taiwan coast yet?
that´ll be one week before my 47th birthday... could imagine better presents... :)
What if Taiwan used naval mines to slow down the landing ships
No doubt they will have some but the PLAN will also have numerous auxiliary vessels available to run the gauntlet and clear some mines. This is probably part of the purpose of their state owned stout fishing fleet that doesn’t do any fishing.