Belgian Tourist in Australia Disappears After Bar Ejection | Theo Hayez Case Analysis
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- Опубликовано: 30 окт 2022
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My dad always told me "Son, stay out of bars, they are full of lonely people and trouble" Unfortunately, I learned firsthand that he was absolutely correct!
But boy did Theo not expect to become this lonely
Your Dad has a point. How often do we hear a person goes missing after leaving a bar and often end up dead. Very often.
As someone who is a solo traveler, it can get dangerous real fast for a tourist. There is some times this arrogance that, 'OH I'm going to be okay. I know what I'm doing.' That attitude leads people into trouble fast!
There one time I got drunk in Greece, thank Goodness I had some new friends, from the hostel I was at, that night. Decided on my own that I should walk off the drinks. Fell on the ground and started bleeding like crazy. Got lifted up, bandaged and tucked into bed by some friends, that came looking for me. I could have easily been taken advantage and hurt in that short time. After that I never had more than two drinks while traveling. Thankfully I learned that lesson and lived to tell the tale.
You make it sound like you cut an artery or something 😅
So true. In retrospect I've done some seriously reckless stuff while traveling solo. Live and learn (usually)
Greece is relatively safe compared to Australia in my opinion.
Foul play, not misadventure seems more obvious.
Yeh cool story
Thank you for covering this story. I'm an Aussie, living in Brisbane. I often think of Theo. I have holidayed a few times in Bryon Bay, it's a beautiful part of the world. It's the most Eastern part of Australia., therefore very popular for backpackers to sit up at the lighthouse and watch the sun come up, you see them huddled under blankets, strumming guitar, passing time waiting for the sunrise. My theory is that Theo either 1. Climbed the headland to catch the sunrise, and fell. or 2. Took a swim and got swept out to sea, but I don't know, in May it would have been cold and there are no lights on Tallow Beach/Cosy Corner, I don't know what the moon light would have been like on that night, but it would be pretty dark. I've sat on Clarkes beach Bryon Bay (the other side of the headland) at night and you can't see 2 feet in front of you. Either way, t's just heartbreakig. My condelences to Theo's family. x
Yes, if he was under the influence of a hallucinogenic drug a swim might have seemed very enticing to him, even fully clothed because you stop thinking rationally and his actions of that night did not seem to follow any kind of logical reasoning yet he was never under stress. Condolences to his family.
He could have stripped and some people from the homeless encampment may have collected his things before the search found them. Also explains the phone still working for many hours after. They had nowhere to charge and possibly tried to reset it only to find it’s menus full of a language they didn’t understand and so discarded it when it died.
If he fell in the water or decided to take a swim, he either was swept out to sea or encountered a shark who mistook him for a fish and decided a meal is a meal. Or any other predatory sea creature, perhaps a saltwater crocodile?
@@kla631 Lol, they don't have saltwater crocodiles that far South. That only happens in Northern Queensland and the Northern Territory. Byron Bay is known for it's huge pods of dolphins.
I totally agree Jude. I think he just got high, fell off a cliff or swam and drowned. I've only seen dolphins there but I'm guessing they also have sharks. Didn't know there was a tent city, I'm guessing they're the feral people from Nimbin? Surprised they would allow a tent city for even one night as that's bad for tourism.
As an Aussie I have holidayed in Bryon Bay many times it’s one of my fav places. It’s tragic that this kid came to his end in such unusual circumstances and God Bless his poor family I can’t imagine the pain they are in. I think you are right doctor I think he had an accident the rips there are wild and Theo probably died at sea. RIP THEO❤
I agree. And getting stoned at Byron is almost a tradition by now.
Oh his poor family, and his friends. So bloody young 😢
I agree with you, and with Dr. Grande. I think somehow in his misadventures he ended up in the ocean, whether by accident or by deliberately wanting to feel the excitement of swimming in the beautiful water that might have beckoned to him if he indeed was in a drug induced state. Very sad for his mom and brother.
I didn't get there. I've pretty much travelled over the world but never go to Australia or New Zealand. I wish to go there next year. It looks like a very beautiful place. I also think the Australian accent is very pleasant and easy to understand.
@@LilyAmongThorns Maybe he didn't feel the full effect yet and decided to go swimming then was suddenly too intoxicated to do anything and drowned.
Is that opinion based on your personal experience with Bryon Bay? Don't you think it's a bit of bias?
It is believed by locals there is one or more serial killers operating in or around Byron Bay. I think they are correct. This has happened before. Many people over the last twenty years or so have also mysteriously vanished. I believe Theo just happened upon the wrong person or people. I do not believe he wanted a new life. It’s a rough place to be lost or impaired, yet unlikely to be suicidal nor accidental either, as the area is heavily inhabited and he was not found. Thank you Dr Grande. Your impartial yet observational views are always a comfort in a seemingly crazy old world.
I've heard about this in another channel video. Alot of people disappeared from this place. But it seems to be a beautiful and fun place to go. Also many places are dangerous when you're intoxicated. I lived in Russia for 2 years and was intoxicated in ekaterinburg once. It wasn't scary but I was near from the block I lived in. I wouldn't wanted to be too far away, especially in a foreign country.
Do you have any sources to back that up?
@paleolithictech , similar to Milat or killers that have never been found?
@@behemothsbaby yes. It’s been newsworthy for 20 years. You can look it up.
I've heard this too! Wasn't there also an instance where they found a young woman's (also missing/dead? Didn't they find remains in the bushland?) luggage in some abbandoned building? Strange things going on there..expecially considering these aren't enormous cities.
Thanks for this, Dr Grande. I am Australian. This is a heartbreaking story. I feel for the boy's family. Perhaps he was already stoned when he entered the bar. The law here is that when someone seems intoxicated, bar personnel are not allowed to serve them more alcohol.
The same is true here (Indiana, USA). By law or by policy , bars will stop serving patrons when they appear intoxicated.
The same is true in Texas, USA, and it's part of your license to even serve alcohol as a waiter/waitress but I've only seen it enforced in bars when a patron is beyond the legal limit and causing a problem.
We are in Australia too. My hubby once got kicked out of the bar for no apparent reason. He was there with his friends and only had 3 mid-strength beers. Some bouncers are dicks and they enjoy their power over people. Especially young guys like Theo.
This is a tragic story that was on Australian 60 Minutes. Thanks for doing this one ear-to-the-ground Dr. Grande.
Yes, they went into it in great details with many experts but no conclusions.
I saw that episode
I was living in Byron when this happened, it’s absolutely tragic. The poor family. My heart completely breaks for them. 😢
This is where I am on this. I am thinking how badly his family and friends must've been hurting, certainly they hurt still to this day.
You're very kind. This sort of thing has happened to guys like Theo before. Leaving a group of people at night and dying near a body of water. Many similar mysteries.
The smiley face murders!
I'm shocked at the authorities allowing a tent city, why have they done that? I assume they're the feral people from Nimbin?
@@bingonamo7520 Have you been to California lately? It looks like a third world country. Let's go Brandon!
As an Australian I am baffled by this story. To be removed from a bar one would think that he was more than intoxicated. Perhaps other substances were involved. Byron Bay is a quite up-market holiday destination. In my view there is more at play than we can deduce.
I'm Australian too. I agree. Apparently there was a new alcohol compliance officer in the area and the bouncer was playing it safe.
@Joan In Florida this is by far the most logical conclusion. This is what should have been said in this video.
I'm Australian too and you get bouncers on power trips that'll kick you out just coz they can, on power trips
@Joan In Florida sounds logical to me. You've got to get real pissed (drunk) before you're thrown out of any bar in Oz or NZ OR start a fight or get caught with drugs.
@Joan In Florida if it were an accident & he fell into the water no he wouldn’t have been found there are rips in the water the current that night would have swept his body out to sea. It also took days for him to be reported missing no chance his body would be still floating in the same place.
Thei may have had his drink spiked at Cheeky Monkeys, this was happening a lot in Australia at the time. That would explain why he appeared “drunk” after only 2 beers, and why he walked the wrong way to go home, also why he would have appeared vulnerable and easy prey to muggers at the Tennis Courts. Theo never walked on from the tennis courts, only his phone and hat did i think, taken by someone else.
Interesting theory!
Indeed! There must have been something going on with a spiked drink. How awful to think that he may have gotten his drink spiked, then the bouncers were making things even worse blaming him for being to intoxicated and kicking him out. Whatever happened from this point on, it's horrible.
My sister once had a drink spiked, luckily her best friend cared and brought her home at least (hospital would have been better though). She was miserable the whole next day, but when she told me about it I freaked out at the thought what could have have happened to her. If there had been any way to find out the identity of that filthy scum of an existence who did this, I'd wish to beat the snot out of them. Such a despicable method to render your victim unable to defend themselves by spiking a drink.
That would require the phone thief to also enjoy watching Belgium comedy shows, which seems unlikely. Don't forget he made all those texts to friends and family _after_ he reached the beach.
I thought that right away too! 👍
Many people also “pregame” or use other drugs before or at bars. Him having only 2 beers there doesn’t tell me he was only 2 drinks in.
Very sad story- I live in this area and Theo’s family have been well loved supported by the community
I am Australian has nothing to do with being intoxicated it's usually always a power trip on the bouncers behalf...
Exactly but puts young lives at risk like this, they have literally put a young person on the street on their own at night. Separated from his friends who are still in the bar he was young, alone and didn't know the area well otherwise he wouldn't be using maps at midnight to try and navigate his way around. This breaks my heart poor lad 💔
Unbelievable that a person who is perceived as compromised by liquor would be turned out onto the street to fend for themselves!
@@Ellegirleyep but removes liability for the venue. Bouncers are instructed to throw out anyone who looks even remotely intoxicated.
@@rickdaniels1000 At the very least, the venue should coordinate an Uber or taxi. Especially if they believe the person is compromised.
This one really hit home for me, having stayed at that same hostel, gone to same bottle shop next door (where Theo was captured on cc tv) and walked to same bar many times and never ever left sober.The area between the bar and hostel is so busy and safe. I also wondered whether he maybe met someone offering drugs in the bar, and maybe left with them to look for more or something like that. Its pretty tough to get kicked out of that place, so maybe he was more high than drunk. And yes the cliffs around the lighthouse are very dangerous.
It’s interesting to hear your point of view. What do you think happened to him?
I think he fèll off a cliff. This is so sad.
I ve seen so many back packer's csses in Australia R.I.P , Good morning from Greece 💙
Kalimera 🇬🇷
I have an Irish mate who lived on the fringes of Byron Bay in the homeless parts with others. He said it was terrifying at first, and even a big, tall guy like him was constantly looking over his shoulder.
Much like in a few countries, when you venture into towns and around there into the hills, you found these strange hillbilly weirdo types. Some are really whacko.
Wait....hoss-tell? I have never heard it pronounced this way in my 55 years, I never knew it could be, I am amused and confused.
A place where horses stay
I know. I kept thinking " is this an aussie pronunciation?" Very strange.
Aussies do pronounce hostel as host /elle . It's weird but Dr G is right as usual .
@@patriciaberry2308 Ok, now that makes more sense.
@@patriciaberry2308 I've lived in Australia for 50 years and have only ever heard it pronounced HOSS tle (a bit like gospel) here, but certainly different areas in Australia, let alone different countries and different accents, can have different pronunciations of many words. I'm not sure this one's much different from locals saying kanga ROO and Americans saying KANgaroo
From experiences backpacking your theory of what most likely happening I can totally believe, had a very similar experience in NZ following someone to a party that wasn't happening, decided to try to cut through some bush to get back to the hostel also but there weren't any cliffs around there. Multiple other times stranded and drunk I did stupid stuff, once while in BC I took a shortcut through a train depot without realising and had a security guard chasing me, another time I was lost and tired wandering around and got rounded up by the cops and put in the drunk tank. Think being in a strange town, being intoxicated and lost and being an adventurous backpacker is a dangerous combination.
Why do I think that ONE of those experiences would have been enough for me?
@@bthomson I don't know for you but it did happened to me more than once. The only place I was more carful was when I worked in Russia for 2 years. I got drunk in a nightclub in ekaterinburg. It wasn't bad because I was near the appartement I was living in. It was back in 2001 to 2003.
Glad you were lucky!🍀🍀🍀🍀
In Australia alcohol is quite expensive so often people without a lot of money will do something called "pre-loading" or "pre-drinks" where they buy cheap alcohol and get drunk before they go to a bar. Backpackers often do this because they dont have much money. Its entirely possible Theo was already drunk when he got to the bar.
Thanks!
This is definitely more “intriguing than a bar that does not permit intoxication.”😁
Maybe if they did permit intoxication, the outcome of this sad story would have been different.
Thank you for the review, Dr. Grande.❤️
So Rejane is this a trolling scam?
@@bthomson It is, that’s the second one today.🤦🏻♀️
In Australia there are RSA(responsible service of alcohol) rules that state you can't serve alcohol to someone who is visibly drunk.
The fines are huge and levied against the bar or server.
How sad. If I had to guess, poor Theo got stoned and went night-swimming.
Whatever happened, my heart goes out to his family.
Taking a gap year and travelling is a relatively old thing here, I did it myself over 40 years ago.
Greetings from Australia 🇦🇺
As a fellow Australians I share your sentiments. I really wish the authorities could've found some kind of answers for the family. I know if one goes into our particular type of surf that isn't always possible. Very sad 😞
Night swimming fully clothed?
@@TF80s Good point! Maybe the poor young man did somehow fall .. I guess it’s unlikely that we’ll ever know for sure.
I do think that some sort of sad, sad accident is by far the most likely answer.
If there’s any evidence whatsoever of foul play, I’d hope that we’d know more by now.
And if someone harmed this kid, well I don’t believe in capital punishment. I don’t think any government should have the right to kill.
But in theory I’d personally murder anyone who kills kids or women or… in a heartbeat.
Allegedly.
@@TF80s possible, especially if under the influence of hallucinogenics
Nope. He was killed.
Thank you, as always for your indefatigable contribution to RUclips. God bless and look out for yourself, Doc.
Thanks for the new word
I agree with a couple other Dr. G fans
When vacationing in Hawaii, what did I do besides all the regular fun stuff? I went to the 2nd hand shop and the seedy areas… where the real ppl live. To really get the feel for a place you must experience the full flavor of the locals. The beauty of life is in the art of survival… Thank you!
I'm from Belgium. At the age of 38 now I completly understand how stupid I was at the age of 16 when I first travelled to New York city and I made up my mind that I absolutely wanted to visit the Bronx because the Bronx has always been portrayed as this dangerous criminal gangsters paradise, I had just lost my dad to cancer one week shy from my 16th birthday and I was done with living life as I knew it, I wanted exitement and live life on the edge, I was a broken and traumatized teenager and I wasn't allowed to grieve him because my mother hated him, so grieving him would lead to punishment. I got myself a summer job and I took off with the money I earned. Maybe Theo wanted to visit that part of town just to see it, curiousity or to brag about it later who knows. Buying drugs sounds so far fetched.
So did anything bad ever happen to you in the Bronx? I lived in NYC for 5 years and spent some time in the Bronx when I worked in interior design. I even walked alone in the dark, in the snow, to catch a train back to the city. The danger was compounded by overhead trains that made so much noise if I had been assaulted no one would have heard me. I found it eerie and somewhat dangerous but nothing bad ever happened to me. My worst experience in the Bronx happened in broad daylight. I was walking down a sidewalk when a guy came running toward me with a bandana wrapped gun pointed straight at me. Fortunately, I wasn't his intended target, he kept on going:-)
Buying drugs is universal in Byron… marijuana especially.
@@dissidentfairy4264 similar to your experience, nothing bad happened, on the contrary I encountered only loving and kind people. I remember back then thinking well maybe media is making this bigger than it is or maybe it's just a false narrative about the Bronx. I'm glad that bullet wasn't meant for you lol, the way you described it made me lol.
@@AwfulDog1 guess anything is possible, don't think we will ever find out the truth but I just don't feel like he would've done that, by himself, on his last day...
@@noam2315 I heard it was worse in the 70s-90s. I was there way after that, but, crime is increasing there once again. Some of it might have been mob related back in the 70s, but today people seem to becoming more unhinged. I liked living in NYC when I was there. I loved the architecture both old and new. The shopping is amazing when it comes to food. On one city block you can go to a Chinese market, a fish market, a Mexican bakery, a pickle shop, a cheese shop, a flower shop, etc. The diversity is amazing! I love to cook but where I live now I can't even find an Asian market unless I travel 90 miles into Las Vegas. In saying that, at this point in time, I'd rather live by the water where I am now than in a big city.
Every summer we have ads about not going swimming while drunk/on substances. I wonder if that message is adequately sent out to backpackers? I mean it's not like 100% of Aussies absolutely stick to that, maybe we should look at more warnings in hostels?? I don't know, I'm just spitballing.
It's not just drunk swimming either, Bondi beach has incredible rips that even lifelong surfers can get caught up in.
Classic Aussie tourism pitch "wow our beaches are so much beachier than other beaches" (which ngl our country is gorgeous) but we should work on effective communication of water dangers.
Thank you for covering this case. I have been following this closely. I am an Aussie and I have felt so horrible about this whole case.
I'm from Belgium. Sad story....thks 4 the video. Very interesting, like always 👌
Thanks for covering this story Dr Grande. I went backpacking myself right after college, also with a working visa, it's a popular thing to do overhere in Belgium.
Dr. Grande! Would you consider making a video on the disappearance of Timmothy Pitzen? His mother, Amy Fry-Pitzen kidnapped Timmothy from his father back in 2011, before ending her own life. Shortly before she died she told Timmothy’s father that he was alive and safe, but would never be found. Timmothy still remains missing.
That's such a sad story. I can't even imagine what that dad is going through year after year. I'd probably try to believe he was safe somewhere like mom said, just so I could proceed with life.
I thought he had done one on him. Years ago. I may be wrong. I watch a lot of true crime, so I may be mistaken.
@@salmonjanet He hadn’t at the time of me making this post, but funny enough he made one the next day after I posted this comment! So I guess he acknowledged my request haha
“I’m certain I know how to pronounce ‘hostel’ “.
“Dr Grande pronounces it differently.”
“🤨 …. 😞”
I forgave him because he pronounced Brisbane right! 😊
being a cheeky monkey at the hoss tell
It's just his American accent. Haven't you ever heard an American accent before? 🙂
@@StaceyEldridge ahem us Yanks don’t have accents everyone else does!
@@nhmooytis7058Whenever I want to listen to news in English, the US is the first accent I avoid. It's like hearing the newsreaders in North Korea, loud and exaggerated. I guess we like it more calmly in Scandinavia :)
Thanks again Dr. Grande. Too many people just disappear, never to be found again. It has really made me suspicious of my surroundings whenever I am out in public. Love Dr. Grande's informative videos and sense of humor.
Young people who obtain this type of visa are often referred to as backpackers. Classic Dr G.
I am a huge fan and Patreon, and this weekend I watched several YT videos about Theo! What a strange coincidence. Such a bizarre, sad, story. Thank you for your video on what may have happened.
Oh then if u dont mind I have a question regarding Patreon... I checked and I would like to know if I understood correctly that you join and pay a monthly subscription/support for the RUclipsr you are fan of?... my question is does it mean that if you follow through Patreon, you pay for each RUclipsrs individually? I think so but it would be nice if you could confirm to me... In the meantime have a great day and thanks a lot
@@cats.addict6457 hello 👋 ! Correct. So I pay only $5 a month and get basically a whole other Dr. Grande channel with tons of other cool videos. Some of the videos are personal and he talks about who he is as a person, and they’re really cool IMHI. I hope that’s helpful. Also, I have 3 kitties! A big kitty and 2 kittens. 🙂
@@SB-ou2ji Thanks a lot for your kind reply... I used to have up to 7 kitties at once, they slowly passed away du to age but I still have a little princess called Tempy. I said little but she is 13 years old already, however she was born tiny and stayed that way, making her extremely cute 😻😻😻
Probably just went for a drunk/drugged swim and drowned. Pretty common demise for young drunk people around water.
@@cht2162 puts phone on beach. Goes for a swim and drowns. High tide comes and takes his phone.
@@DominicFlynn that makes sense...
@@cht2162 more likely to be struck by lightning. Drowning happens every day.
Happened to me once, drank 4 small beers and had a blackout and started a fight. Very unusual as I dont get wasted from that little alcohol. Luckily had friends looking after me.
I thoroughly enjoyed the visuals in this video. Many of us are visual learners. Thank you for including them Doc!
What about the witness testimony of the woman in a car, who may have seen the body of Théo Hayez two days after he disappeared? (The Brussels Times - Sunday, 8 December 2019)
Having backpacked Australia and specifically Byron Bay, it had quite a drug and weed issue. I'd say he was at Cosy Corner to smoke weed, as the hostels are super strict about drug use on-site. Weed + skinny dip = drowning. The phone was likely put down, hence it pinged until it went dead or someone found it and kept it for themselves.
How would he know the way he took to the beach? Seem very unreasonable for someone to try and swim when it's that dark
@@kienle9170 I reckon someone went with him down to the beach. Some people just don't think re. swimming at night.
I would have thought if someone had taken his phone, they would have thought about using it at the time, but maybe they had 2nd thoughts. When all this happened it was a Friday night so I kind of find it hard to believe nobody was down at Cosy Corner that night. I wonder exactly where that tent city is, so I can avoid it if and when I next go to Byron.
Hello Dr Grande. As an Australian, drinking culture is basically our only culture. Heavy drinking & advertisement for alcohol is everywhere. As a teetotaler I'm considered the odd one! It beggars belief bouncers would toss add tourist out after three drinks! Something's not adding up. He was either inebriated due to some other factor combined with the alcohol or these were some very odd bouncers indeed. To be barred from any drinking establishment- let alone every other venue in the vicinity - is almost unheard of. I feel for this young man & his family 😞
Jessi, on the plus side as a teetotaleuse, you are free from all types alcohol related diseases and you are forever the person in charge if driving everyone home,
Maybe a scam?
@@bthomson I think it is a scam. That has popped up under some of the other RUclipsrs I watch & to other ppl not just me 😣. Thanks 👍
@@PHlophe Big plus about dodging the alcohol associated diseases - tough gig being a designated driver 😂👍
It’d be interesting to see how Dr. Grande analyses the case of Emanuela Orlandi, the Vatican girl.
Thanks again, Dr. Grande! I think that everyone has to remember that Theo was doing his exploring at night, in the dark. It wouldn't be too hard to imagine his falling off of a cliff and his body being dragged out to sea with the tide under that particular circumstance.
You can’t fall off that cliff though due to vegetation stopping your fall. Many Australian cliffs are like that, not just a literal rock cliff edge.
@@AwfulDog1 So maybe he was trying to get through the thick brush to get the cliff's edge, the brush was too thick for him to see that the edge of the cliff was right below his feet, and he overstepped the cliff edge unintentionally and fell over. If there is thick brush there it likely obscured his view, especially at night.
The cliff wasn't steep enough for this scenario and no one in his right mind would go exploring dangerous cliffs in the wee hours. Besides, the phone's geo-locator got switched off before being separated from its owner, which indicates intentional covering up of something.
I cant believe people think he fell off a cliff and no foul play.
I'm from Wisconsin and have traveled all over the world. I've been to Byron Bay and partied HARD at Cheekie Monkies. This was back in 2003 or 04. They welcomed ppl to party and spend money. The only time ppl were kicked out is if the were disrectful to the bar or the women. I think there's more to that mystery lol
The spiked drink theory could be possible, different from alcohol intoxication, then he was followed and lead to the beach and robbed and assaulted. Bars are frightening I definitely do not think they are safe. The bouncers separated him from his friends in the 60 minutes special and he was left alone and vulnerable.
Important to remember in this case it was a delay of 6 days before police were notified .and even then they didn't know he went to cosy corner until phone records were traced 6 days is along time especially if he did fall into the ocean ....
Grande burnin’ the midnight oil again. The late night videos need to be accompanied with a cocktail, my man.
Dr. Grande, my fellow EST night 🦉! 🙌
It's illegal to serve alcohol to an intoxicated person in Australian bars.
I doubt he was drunk, egotistical nob head bouncers told him to leave. They do this because Ive been told by grown men it's happened to them too! And they were sober af, just stared into space for a split second then being accused of being intoxicated and asked to leave. It's so dangerous asking ppl to leave and then them being left alone on the street, in the dark in a place they don't know very well
Wowza! What a compelling tale of adventure and tragedy! My heart breaks for his family 💔 Thank - you Dr. Grande for what you do best, cover the facts, explore the theories and do an amazing job at analyzing the details. I, myself, believe he fell into the ocean, got swept away, his phone fell in a crevice somewhere and was never discovered before it died. Bless his heart, may he rest in peace 😥
Trolling scam?
Wow! So many Australian fans! Just shows the wide spread appeal of Dr. Grande's channel!
For anyone suggesting a drunken night swim, it was June and Winter on a cold windy night around 4 degrees celcius.
Almost no moon either - I just looked it up.
Another topic I've been following for a couple of years, and just watched new 60 minutes Australia documentary on.
Your final thoughts were incredible, and so true! Such a sad mystery!
Too many unanswered questions. He could have been drugged at the bar and that's why he seemed overly intoxicated. But in that case we would have to know what his answered messages said. He could have picked up somebody (and purchased drugs) in the bad part of town, who ended up killing him.
Yes. Drink spiking was common at that time in australia usually with rohypnol and that may explain why he walked the wrong way. He may have been attacked at the tennis courts just because he looked like vulnerable prey, a stumbling alone youth at night. And perhaps he never walked off from there, 7 minutes is enough time to punch someone out, steal their mobile and wallet and hat, and run off with them to the bush, leaving theo behind. Some one else hid the body
In the middle of this I got an ad for moving to Australia!
Waiting for Grande all day on Halloween and in came this video at night. It is a spooky story. I even sent Grande a 60 Minute Australia version of this story bc I know you like stories of disappearances. This one’s definitely a mystery. Thanks for an interesting analysis and coverage of this case, Grande.
Thank you for promoting logic and critical thinking in your many videos of many different topics! Every little bit counts nowadays!
Yes! These videos promote common sense and logical thinking! Both needed in today's world!
Dr Grande, as you analysed the case from a Belge person disappearing far from home, I was wondering if you would not mind to treat another similar case, as a matter of fact an even more mysterious case, it's the disappearance of a german young man called LARS MITTANK. It is one of the most mysterious and inexplicable story I ever heard, it happened in 2014 in Bulgaria and as off today it's not been solved, the chances are it could never be!!! thanks a lot
I think he already did that story about a year ago. 😉
He did.
@@bthomson oh he did, then i have to watch it... tks a lot
Your Aussie pronunciations are awesome Dr Grande! 🐨🦘
I believe drugs were at the bottom of all of this. If his drink was spiked or he consumed drugs before going to the bar he may have attracted the bouncers attention by being overly aggressive or showing signs of being very drunk. His decisions from there continue to be so influenced
If only they had kept him in the bar ..so he could go home with the others
Laat dit verhaal eindelijk resulteren in resultaat , ik volg dit al lang en geloof nog steeds in een goede uitkomst voor iedereen.
Australia is a lovely country !
Why can't anyone even entertain the notion that he wasn't the one with the phone after the fields?
The beaches around the cliffs off Byron bay have no shark nets and huge great white sharks.
What’s also interesting to note is days following his disappearance, a group of people went to perform a spiritual ceremony and witnesses there said there was a full rainbow out at sea and a humpback whale breached right in the middle of it. I’m a spiritual person and to me that was a sign from Theo saying he was at peace. 🌈🐋🙏🏼
That’s ridiculous especially him being banned from surrounding bars. I could see if he was physically sick/falling everywhere , or being very disorderly. But coming from someone in the US thats wild to me.
That bit I found impossible to believe. So the owner of Cheeky Monkey's is going to get on the phone THAT NIGHT to the several other noisy bars in town and tell them to ban this one particular skinny backpacker who was just a bit intoxicated.
Didn't happen, unless there was some serious incident, in which case the police would have been called.
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Good morning 🌄, Dr. Grande! I see you're awake, too! Thank You!
Good afternoon Dr Grande. What a mysterious story. Tourists don't know the dangers of walking in the dark. It would have been safer if he had let another backpacker know where he was going. If I had to pick a theory it would be #3. Thank you Dr Grande, tragic outcome and informative topic.
His room mate didn't even report him missing. So who knows if he did say anything.
@@tessajones9393 I said if.And your comment makes sense.
I think his remains will one day be found in the bush. There is a giant part of the place very difficult to explore. For me, his death was a misfortune because he likely was drunk and also may had drugs in his system. Disoriented and vulnerable, he died somewhere inland.
I'm so ready for you to do the Delphi arrest case when content is available
This guy got killed by someone or a group of people who killed and stole from tourists. I find that the bar situation is a little weird. I wonder what other weirdos lurk in that town. This kid ran into the wrong people. The odds of him or his cellphone not being found after he fell is ridiculous. One of those things would have been recovered if it was misadventure. He got lured or jumped by the worst kind of person or people. Sad really. I'm not going there. I'll bet they all hate the backpackers. Good video. I give it two backpacks up. Nice job once again. I SHOULD be supporting you on Patreon with all these great videos.
Thank you for the upload Dr TGrande
Yessss Dr Grande , I was waiting all day. Thank you 😊 💓 ☺️
I've been in Byron Bay..I love it. I felt safe when I was with my friends. Those cliffs are very steep! I did have time to walk around town by myself. I felt an uneasy feeling. I don't usually feel that way. I also don't know why.. Theo's disappearance is a big mystery but currents in the water are very strong and could certainly sweep someone out to sea.
The number of backpackers who meet bad ends is considerable, often due to bad judgment . And to be so obnoxious you get tossed out of an Aussie bar takes work.
You don’t get out much, do you?
@@rickdaniels1000 I lived in Sydney for 3 years. How long have you been trolling for pay?
@@nhmooytis7058 about as long as it will take you to save a deposit on a 1 bedroom unit in mount druit with no parking 😂
@@rickdaniels1000 I’m single, for 3 1/2 years I rented a big room I used as a bedroom and office, with shared living room and eat-in kitchen, big back yard, on a lovely tree shaded street in Ashfield near the mall and train station for $1000 a month. No deposit. 2 nice housemates, an Indian IT consultant and a Vietnamese chef. Landlady was Vietnamese and a public health consultant in Canberra. PS parking in front of the house 😁
@@nhmooytis7058 sounds like the life of a broke person haha
I would say Theo and his Backpacker mates were drinking well before they got to the bar. (I have met many backpackers who were so thrifty they could turn one can of beans into breakfast, Lunch& Dinner with a loaf of bread some eggs and some greens) Backpackers don’t usually spend excessive money on drinks at hotels; they can sit on a drink for hours unless someone is shouting or the beer is free!! To me that explains the possibility of him being thrown out earlier than his mates. He may have gone to the camp to find pot or trips and I believe he would have found someone else to go in an adventure there with him to Tallow Beach, explaining why he knew the short cut. Maybe that person left after they found out there was no party that night and Theo was left to navigate his way home with only the moon above him and the waves to his right. The terrain is rough and would be thick with undergrowth and with his impairment of Tripping or being Stoned signed his death.
Thanks Doctor for all of your interesting content 🇦🇺
I don't understand why he would have turned off his gps at that time. Makes me feel like something was shady or maybe someone found the phone after he died
Yea... that part is weird.... altho maybe his battery was low and he wanted to conserve power by turning off stuff like GPS. Altho the phone pinged for another 12 hours... so maybe not... plus he was watching videos and messaging...
@@nickyblue4866 he may not have been watching those videos, but maybe someone figured out where those videos were on his phone and decided to open them, to throw potential detectives off. That's unless Theo had a security code to get into his phone. I do wonder about that. As for the Jackson Stacker case, maybe the councils also need to put cameras near rest spots/toilets too.
This is very sad, but your analysis makes perfect sense. Thanks for the upload! ❤️❤️
Brilliant! Great analysis. Sad situation and my heart goes out to his family.
My theory is that he bought drugs in the bad part of town and went for a swim and drowned. He could have been accompanied by some one who led him around the homeless camp. Thanks for another great case. How do you come up with so many great cases? I would love to be a fly in the wall and see your process. Keep up the good work and take care.
That’s my assumption as well. The 60 Minutes Australia account made it very clear how bad the riptides are in that area and if he was even under the influence of marijuana he could have decided to take a dip in the ocean even fully clothed. Very sad for the family.
I do agree with your analysis Dr. Grande, and thanks for sharing your thoughts with us! 🖤
Enjoyed your video Dr. Grande, very sad video.
Excellent analysis, Dr. Grande! ❤️
Thank you Dr. Grande
This is so Sad! I hope Theo's Family gets answers soon!💔🙏💔🙏💔🙏
Just bought your book on the psychology of serial killers. Can't wait to read it.
Hahahaha drinking at a bar? Hilarious. I love your channel Dr Grande. A big hug from Buenos Aires Argentina.
To answer the bar that doesn’t allow intoxication - the reason is Australia has strict lock out laws for intoxication. If you are too drunk, alcohol servers must stop serving you. To serve alcohol you need a license (a very short course) and part of that license required responsible service of alcohol. I believe these came about to help stem alcohol violence etc. ps we still have a VERY very very relaxed tolerance to excessive alcohol consumption in Australia. We do like our booze over here!
Cheeky monkeys is/was loose though like many backpackers bars. RSA isn't what it stands for it's b.s. in this country. I mean, look at the Melbourne cup lol those people kept getting served haha
This case is heartbreaking. Deepest condolences to his family.
Always interesting
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The best analysis ever.
Excellent video 📹
Very tragic
We pray his family 👪 finds closure
If he wasn't priming I find it super weird that after two drinks he was kicked out. Also don't know how I feel about the fact that you can get cut off at one bar and you can't go to any other bar after. What exactly did he do to justify that. I bartend in the states. I've seen some crazy stuff, but it's super hard to get a lifetime ban from one bar. Much less get kicked out of every bar in an area because you possibly just offended some bouncer? He probably just got swept out to sea while swimming. But I find the way he was treated in the bars to be questionable.
I stayed in that hostel a few years ago, when i was in Australia on a skilled work visa and also exploring Byron Bay. I was at a bar similar to him then also went and sat on the Beach until late at night, maybe two. It is a stunning place and the sound of the waves at night alongside viewing the stars is magical, so i feel we was probably not lost... rather exploring, which is the whole point of taking a working holiday visa experience. I am surprised there is a homeless community there, seemed pretty up market when i was visiting that town... quite an expensive place to be
Never heard Hostel pronounced that way Doc.
I knew someone who was a medical doctor and in social situations they would pronounce the word meme as mem. No one corrected them or asked if it was indeed one or the other for clarification. Made me wonder if I was pronouncing/reading it wrong the whole time or if everyone was just being super polite. 😄
@@wmluna381 right. When I heard him say it, I was questioning myself lol
Ugh, another heartbreaking case😪 He’s my daughter’s age😪
Yah, im also a backpacker and i shudder to think what it must be like to die in a foreign country. Ive been to 33 countries in 36 months and am taking it slow and easy when it comes to risks.
Great points at the end. He might have been on something else in the bar and technically they should offer to get him home if he’s too intoxicated. Sounds like he was way more messed up than 2 drinks
Two points… firstly, due to cost of alcohol people drink at home prior to going to the pub. Hence he was kicked out, that’s the law here if you are drunk. Secondly, he probably either slipped on the rocks at the base of the cliff and was swept out to see or went paddling and was swept out by a wave. Locals say the current is very dangerous around the lighthouse region and takes you out fast. You don’t come back. They also say (and I agree) that you can’t fall off the ‘cliff’ due to a lot of vegetation stopping you in this region. He would have been found and wouldn’t make it to the bottom.
Loved the map!
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