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Field Watch Battle Royale! Hamilton / Seiko / Orient Star
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- Опубликовано: 1 май 2020
- ----Orient Star Outdoor
Review: • Rise of the ExplOrient...
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I've been meaning to put this one together for a while, but I knew it was going to be a long one. Yet today is a 3-way detailed comparison of some of the best premium field watches you can get. The Hamilton Khaki King, Seiko Alpinist, and Orient Star Outdoor. Which one will win? Which one is your favorite?
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I love Hamilton, but I've rapidly become an Orient fan. I love the Orient's simple, clear as a bell dial. In a field watch, legibility is king, in my opinion.
Agreed, but that date window looks out of place. I would consider it without the date
If only they would stop making watches for 8 inch wrists..... Field watches should be small.
The Alpinist immediately caught my attention. It just stands out without being too flashy. Also it a classic and balanced look.
Table Of Contents: (It's a long one)
00:00 Intro
02:16 Case
07:01 Strap
09:01 Movements
11:38 Functionality & Usability
13:44 Versatility
15:17 Durability
15:54 Perceived Quality
16:26 Dial
18:49 Lume
19:28 Uniqueness
20:26 Value
21:24 SPOILERS!
21:44 Closing Thoughts
Additional notes.
1. At the spec sheet, in the beginning, the Alpinist Lug Width is not 22mm, it's 20mm.
2. When I mention my next review will be the Traska Summiter, I meant my next Field Watch review. I haven't even gotten it yet.
3. This was a suggestion by Tom Cantu on how to improve the Hamiton Strap:
"I finally found a method to make the Hamilton leather strap comfortable for me. It is twice as thick near the lugs as it is at the buckle. That upper portion just refuses to flex easily and I think that it what makes it uncomfortable to wear. I applied some Obenaufs LP to both sides of the bands and then took a few minutes to flex it the entire length of the band bending it in both directions. Now the band conforms to my wrist and I almost forget that I am wearing it. It did make the band just a bit darker in color but it still looks great! If you have new Hamilton bands sitting in a drawer because you find them uncomfortable you might give this a try. Adding some waterproofing to a nice leather band is a plus as well."
Good job Shane, I’ve got 2 observations; 1. You resemble Chevy Chase. 2. With the gloves you remind me of when. Clark Griswold was in the attic reminiscing over old Christmas movies while wearing purple gloves. 😂😂😂 My favorite Watch by the way is the Orient Outdoor. Take care!
Happy to see the Orient come out on top since that's the only one I own (though the other two I've been admiring for a long time). My Outdoor is still my favorite watch in my collection.
Especially for the price you got it for. Still don't know why Orient USA has the price jacked up so high.
This was a great comparison, though I can't agree the OrientStar is unique in any way. The reason is simple, Rolex's 2nd or 3rd most popular watch is the *Rolex Explorer* which famously made it to the top of Everest.
It's one of the most versatile watches there is, though there's a lot more steel on it versus the Orient, and of course the price tag and quality that comes with it. As such, I cannot bring myself to consider the Outdoors unique.
The most unique is easily the Alpinist - I am surprised that no-one has copied this design since the Red Alpinist in 1995. Not even homages. And for that it is an easy win.
I’m a big Orient fan, owning a red Kamasu and an Orient Star classic dress watch. But I also own the new champagne Alpinist, and it’s truly stunning in person.
They really are beautiful. I was thinking about the champagne one myself, but they seemed harder to find.
It's so close. I think I'd go Hamilton, but that might be because I've always wanted a Hamilton
Such a professional voice, useful and logical information, outdoor and indoor shots, strap changes, and video editing.
Very impressive video! It was a joy to watch, thank you!
I have a Khaki King, but now I really want an Orient Outdoor because of the power reserve indicator which for me would be sedative :)
I wish it has a domed sapphire, not the flat one.
Ha gay
I'm biased to the Hamilton Khaki King, since I received the black dial version as my 45 year anniversary gift from my employer. I love it!
That's great. I think the black one has a little bit better lume too. Did it come with the bracelet or the leather strap?
@@RelativeTime It's the bracelet version. I do have an olive drab nato strap for it, also. Another little bit of info, I live about 20 minutes away from Lancaster, Pa., the birthplace of Hamilton watches.
Well produced and fun video. The way the Hamiltons dial reflects the light seals the deal for me.
I really like the field/pilot watches for daily work watch. So easy to read. As a result really like the white hands on black face so of these 3 orient wins. Thanks for the video.
Really in-depth comparison. Great job as always. I'd personally pick the Hamilton out of the three. I have Hamtun Nanok that looks pretty similar, and I love that.
I’d probably go for the Hamilton. In my opinion it offers the best value.
I have 5 Orient (star) watches they are excellent in price to quality ratio, i will buy no more than $150 because they don't have any Resale vaule here in hong kong. So if anything above $150 i will go for ham or seiko. If you plan to buy Orient, plan to keep it for rest of its life.
They all look beautiful! Of the three I probably would buy the Orient Star.
Interesting review. Orient is a fantastic brand, but the Orient Star really is a cut above the normal Orients so it doesn't surprise me it won this. Having said that I'd personally probably go for the Hamilton as its looks appeal to me more, and is more versatile. Which I think despite everyone's obsession with specs, are more important categories than people admit to
The problem with the Hamilton is that the consensus seems to be that the movement is non-serviceable and will just be thrown away and replaced come the time for repairs/service..
Can't ever go wrong with a Hammy...I have several models and they're all great watches. Thanks for the review. Great stuff.
I really like the alpinist, but to be honest the all polished is not for me because I cant stand scratches on a polished case. It's my biggest complaint with my Oris Aquis. Within a day, I started picking up scratches on the polished band sections.
Love the way you break it down in these comparison videos. The Orient is on my buy list for sure.
Thanks! This one took way too long to edit together. Not sure I'll do another 3 way comprison. Just too long.
Thanks! This one took way too long to edit together. Not sure I'll do another 3 way comprison. Just too long.
Another superb video. Your editing skills are very smooth and your critique was thoughtful, fair minded and interesting.
Just bought a Khaki King today. I now have both the black and the new Champagne. I’m mostly buying Hamilton reputation and have found my black to be good for one or two seconds a day. Good reviews. Good video. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Excellent review! Thank you SO much for reviewing something other than diver style watches like most on RUclips. I for one really appreciate other watches other than just divers. Have you considered reviewing dress and/or casual watches for a comparison like you did here?
I think another category of comparison could be the ease and cost of maintenance.... I think Seiko here would be the winner as it usually easier to find someone to regulate or repair the watch at a lower cost. Hamilton would probably need an authorized dealer/watchsmith. I am not sure about the Orient one as it is not as common as the other two. Of course it all depends on where you are...USA, Europe, etc
I have owned multiple Seikos with this movement and they are really hit and miss and can be out by as much as 16 seconds a day. I have a Sarb 035 and a Sarb 033 and one is out by 5 seconds and one is a mile out and needs a service. On which note Seiko are not cheap when it comes to authorised servicing. I own two Hamilton's, I own the black Khaki King and I own the Pilot, otherwise known as the Interstellar watch as worn by Mathew McConaughey. The two Hamiltons are near cosc - I mean they dont ever drop more than 3 seconds a day. They are seriously good ETA movements. So as much as I love Seiko (and I do) there is absolutely no comparison here when it comes to movements. Hamilton's ETA wipes the floor with the 6R15.
Also I could not disagree more re the watch straps. The Hamilton watch strap is seriously good quality. It costs £75 for someone looking to replace it. The Seiko Alpinist has been infamous fir having nasty cheap as shit, chuck it straight in the bin straps, Orient is not much better. The materials, the signed buckle, the stitching etc. The Hamilton strap is light years ahead.
The issue you can have with the Khaki King is the polished bezel which can attract dings. I would say the Orient looks far better in that regard being brushed. The Alpinist is also renown for having chapter ring issues where it slips and doesn't line up properly.
P.S
My grail watch is a Seiko and I own more Seikos than any other watch...It just so happens that the Alpinist is not a particularly good Seiko (adding the cyclops made it even more derivative) and nowhere near as good as Hamilton's Khaki King. Seiko offers killer value elsewhere.
@@christophercoey7804 my experience with Seikos is that you can have them serviced or regulated by non-Seiko authorized watchsmiths at a relative low cost. Reason for this is that the Seiko engines are built to be simple, robust and easily maintained with an abundance of spares available. For the ETA movements you need an authorized dealer/watchsmith and that would be more expensive.
@@iosifprogoulakis296 - either compare authorized repairers or don't, you can't have it both ways! Also It's not just my experience, but the experience of many other people that I have spoken to who have also had multiple 6R15s. The 6R15 is just much, much more likely to be off and require a service than the ETA. So how you can turn this into a win for Seiko is beyond me. It is 8.04 am here and I am wearing a Sarb035 with a genuine green croc strap - it rocks! The key to the Sarbs unequivocally is NOT the quality of the movement, it is the quality of the cases and the dials and the design - they're gorgeous. When I go to my Seiko SKX the key is how robust it is and again how amazing the dial and design is (not a 6R15, but again, the point being is, it aint about accuracy of movement). But.anyway these Seiko 6R15 movements are just patchy as hell and nowhere near as accurate as the Hamilton ETAs. You talk about IF they go wrong, they don't tend to lol. The Seikos are often wrong out the box! And It is also ridiculous to compare an authorised repairer against Billy Bob the watchman, who can sort your watch out. The Hamilton movement is more accurate and less likely to fail and need the service and I see nothing that tells me it is cheaper even then to service the Seiko as I have seen the cost of Seiko servicing and it aint cheap. Getting some watch shop to knock a watch into shape is a whole different kettle of mistakes lol.
Field/Trench/Pilot watches are my favorite niche by far. Out of everything I have, my Seiko SNZG09J of all things is my favorite. Maybe not suprisingly then, I'd choose the Alpinist here without second thought. Light colored dial with the applied dersils and the cathedral hands... done deal.
I think for a field watch you should expect it to get dings and scratches. You don’t want to have to worry about it getting messed up because it just will. I think it’s more about reliability and durability. The orient is pretty nice and easy to read but the Hamilton seems to be the easiest to read. I’m not sure about the Orient but the Hamilton’s tend to get complaints about condensation forming under the glass. That power reserve on the orient is nice... I like Hamilton’s black face white number dial version... If you had to keep one it would have to be the Orient as you can always pick up the other two but need to eBay the Orient.
Fully agreed with your review and score. 3 good watches but the Outdoor is a sleeper. I’ve been so taken by it that I got it in 3 colorways. It’s been available in Japan for around $320 which makes it amazing value. It also led me to the Triton. Same story. A great watch.
Great macroshots, Shane. Thanks you!
Thanks!
Great review. I have no experience with the Hammy or the Orient. My only field watch is the original Seiko SARB 017....which is very versatile and would have been fun to see compete in lieu of the new Alpinist.
That's a cracking trio.
I enjoy your comparison videos and it is a tough call between these three my vote would go to the Hamilton and I do think cat 7 is worth keeping.
Good to know. Thank you!
Great video. I am a single brand collector - orient star. Having said that outdoor never appealed to me as it really didn't have the unique "orient star" look and feel.... I would go for Alpinist here, if i were to personally buy one....
I've been deciding between the Orient Star Outdoor and the Hamilton Khaki Field Auto 40 mm (not the Khaki King). I think I'm leaning toward Hamilton, but then I can't decide on which color I like--green, old paper, or brown. The old paper Khaki Field Auto's band is ugly but it's irrelevant since I'd be switching it out.
My pick:
If I'm looking for a practical strictly field watch to beat up and use - the Orient.
If I chose amongst these three overall - Hamilton.
Now ... If it were the Green and Gold Alpinist ... well that might make a big difference.
Another great video, I know the alpinista was last, but it’s so beautiful! Orient has my respect!!
Hamilton by a mile, most attractive, most tuned in movement (seikos and orient certainly more hit or miss), thinnest and will have least depreciation. The only downside is 50m, if that's not an issue for you it's it's an easy pick IMO
In my opinion Orient is the best, I like the simplicity of it, everything on point and not over crowded
Very True. It's a nice clean design.
Lug to lug is a little long on the KK and Outdoor for my liking...also, Alpinist lug width is only 20mm I’m pretty sure! 2:11
Yes it is. I didn't notice that mistake in the beginning until you mentioned it. I even watched it twice looking for mistakes, but I was more listening then watching.
O well. Although I know I mention that it's 20mm in the strap section. So at least it's just the beginning thats off.
Relative Time True, you had it mentioned correctly on the strap part. 2020 Alpinist would’ve been much better received if it had been released at around $500 max retail. Also think the thicker see through caseback was a misstep IMHO. Lastly, would it kill them to print “Alpinist” on the dial (maybe in red again)?!
Really enjoyed the comps!
I guess I'm screw down crown agnostic. I just can't see that factoring in my watch decisions. I don't dive. I go to the pool, I go to the beach, I swim, I get caught in the rain. 100m of water resistance is fine by me. 50m is fine for most situations, actually, and I don't perceive a higher quality of watch just because the crown threads into the case. Matter of fact, it's an inconvenience every time I want to wind the watch or set the time.
Anyhow, more great content from Relative Time! You picked 3 very nice pieces to compare. The Alpinist, far and away, is the looker of the group. It is simply a gorgeous watch in white and silver. I think it's tops in uniqueness too. The only other watch that looks like an Alpinist is another Alpinist. The relative value and the thickness are the things that will ultimately keep me from buying it, though.
For me the Hamilton is my favorite. It's a kind of a curse to have the 80 H PR because all other watches feel like not having enough juice once you've experienced the extended PR. I got the champagne dial version too and it's just so classy IMO. I also got the SARB017 which I prefer over the new version. I might be able to forgive the Prospex "X" on the dial and the cyclop if it wasn't for the misalignment on the compass ring (same with my SARB017). For me there's too much "Flieger" on the Orient. It's like it's sitting between two chairs in this category.
the orient star is excellent for a control freak like me. i absolutely need to know how much juice there is left in the watch or i'm going nuts. that's why i only have owned solar quartz (never run out of juice) and mechanical watches with power indicator.
I’ve absolutely GOTTA have that Orient Star Outdoor. The saving has begun!
Great Video and scratches aside that Alpinist looks sweet but loses on price. Which is were I think Seiko dropped the ball next to the other two. I'd never swap/sell my Hamilton Field Auto.
However. This review has made me Google that FLIELD (tm) 😁 Orient
This is a great deep dive into these 3 watches! Very well done. I have similar varieties of all three of these watches but now you make me want to change those out for these! Thanks again
Great job as always... I would pick the orient star.
Thanks! It's a great choice.
Orient Defender would have done very well here.
It's a lower tier watch. Not in the same class.
Out of all three I'd take the Orient. I like it's simplicity, and the flieger design vibes are nice
I took this analysis one step further and applied weighting to your results. For example movement durability dial lume and value got a 1 for me. Case got a .8 while versatility and PQ rated .7. Unique and strap .5. Then I multiplied your score results. Still very close but the Hammy edged the Orient by .5 and the Seiko landed again in third. It was a fun exercise to tailor your results to my preferences. These are the silly things we do when we can’t afford to buy all three. With Covid-19 around we all certainly have some free time on our hands.
I've thought about weighting in the past. Interesting results, especially the alpinist coming in last again. Hopefully, COVID starts to blow over soon.
Nice work man, I agree the Outdoor is way more practical.
I would order them as Hamilton, Alpinist, and then Orient Star. Until now, Orient Star was unknown to me. I just can't enjoy the looks of the Orient Star, as much as the other two and thus my rating. The fact that the Alpinist is twice the cost of the Hamilton should be called out. My budget wouldn't allow a $500 plus spend, and the Hamilton was $396 with tax and shipping. A great review, as analytical as one could get!
Thanks for the video, great job 👌
I have gone for the 'Ghost' Alpinist, suits my needs more than the Khaki with 200m WR, cream dial and arguably equal history of the watch.
I think at some point I may pick up a black dial Khaki however my next watch will be a dress Chrono then the collection will be on hold for a while.
I agree that Seiko could have easily made the 2020 Alpinist tje best field watch ever but missed the mark by including the cyclops, increasing the thickness and removing the signed crown however IMO the Seiko is still the better watch even at £100 more.......the price of an evening out which I am saving due to lock down😉👍
Good timing. Last week I bought a khaki Seiko 5 and I'm waiting on a Vostok Amphibia... Looking at a classy Bambino now but I have a 6.25" wrist so I'll have to see how the 39mm Amphibia looks.
Have the Khaki King 2 on black and I love it. The other 2 will be my next 2 watches and I'm not worried about that decision in the slightest.
I have an Orient Star Open Heart and I just noticed that its case and sapphire glass looks very similar to that of the Orient Star Outdoor. I agree with you, the finishing of the OS case is pretty good for the price. The Seiko Alpinist is the prettiest of the three you've shown, but if I were to choose a simple field watch I will not be afraid of banging around, the OS Outdoor takes my vote :)
I think the "Swiss" heritage of the Hamilton would probably bring this to first place comparing to the other two. The Seiko Alpinist is overpriced for what it offers. The Orient is not as versatile with the 21mm lug width.
I have the Seiko 017, and I will never get rid of it. I doubt that I will ever get rid of my Champaign Khaki king either.
Great review Shane! Rapidly becoming my go to RUclips channel for watch reviews!
I’m torn between the orient and the Hamilton! I love the orient dial!
Keep up the good work buddy!
All the best!
I remain puzzled why Hamilton persists with a push-pull crown and 50 meters of water resistance on the Khaki King, while their less expensive Khaki Field watches have a screw-in crown and 100 meters of water resistance. Does it have to be either/or? I have a Khaki King, and don't go diving with it, since I have dive watches for watersports, but this is probably a deal-breaker for some people. Why compromise the functionality on what otherwise is such a handsome and versatile watch? I just don't get it.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Easily one of your best. I found this to be very timely information. I've been thinking about the new Alpinist. After seeing it compared to the champagne Khaki King which I own as well as the Orient Outdoor I've decided to hold off until the price comes down and hopefully Seiko refines it a bit more. The Outdoor has its strengths but the 21mm lug size and the unadorned dial leave me wanting more. I'd love to see a sunburst dial on it like the Kamasu. The Khaki King is an amazing watch that I think I’ll never part with. Imagine if it had a screw down crown? You gave a fair breakdown for each watch and they are all winners.
I have a Khaki King black dial, but after seeing the champagne dial for some time now I think I might have made an error in my color choice. The strap that came with it made me realize that I should have gotten the factory bracelet instead because they cost a fortune to get from Hamilton after the fact, hopefully strapcode will come up with something at some point. Your review was spot on and I liked the format. Good stuff as usual.
Hopefully strap code eventually comes out with one. I'd buy it in a second.
Someone emailed me recently that they used leather conditioner on their stock Hammy strap. Supposedly it really turned it around and made it nice and flexible. I ordered some to give it a try.
Orient Star all day long .Totally gorgeous .
I just received my Traska Summiteer with black dial and silver/white hands. I also own a green dial Alpinist, and used to have a Hamilton. IMO, the Summiteer leaves these others behind in every category except for brand recognition. Definitely do a review on yours when you get it. Great Channel.
Thanks! I got it yesterday. Got a gorgeous blue with a red hand.
instagram.com/p/B_yDZ9IHpTu/
A little concerned about the bracelet, some of the screws were not wanting to cooperate, but otherwise very impressed. It's so thin, and so comfortable.
@@RelativeTime -- I have 7.5" wrists and had to remove one link. Had the same issue. I took my time. I think they might have used "lock tight" on the threads during assembly. It went back in fine for me after. But if you do not have the correct sized screwdriver I can see some folks stripping it. Otherwise I am very happy. My friends Rolex Explorer 39mm did not look any better IMO, on wrist. In fact I think the Traska case is nicer dimensioned. The Rolex bracelet was nicer. edges were finished better, but otherwise I am very happy. This is the poor-man's Rolex Explorer.
The Khaki King for the win !!👍🏼👍🏼
Not feeling the Orient at all... I'd have to pick the Alpinist, as I almost purchased the Sarb017 a couple of times but I ended up with the Sarw019, 3 sub dials and a 28.8kbph movement. I also have a Hamilton Khaki Field Auto Titanium black pvd, so yep the Alpinist is my pick.
Great video Shane.
Oops I apparently commented before so I deleted the previous one, 😂 I did come to the same conclusion though! 😂👍
Solid review/comparison. I like the orient best of the 3. Somehow I don't trust the 6r15. I don't care for the fact that the eta can't be regulated. And I never hear of problems with orient movements. So I'd go with the orient. Now if the Hamilton had a normal eta 2824, then I'd lean that way.
These are all great IMHO. I never fell for the original Alpinist (olive green metallic dial and gold stuff on top, way too garish for me, didn't get the hype), but this white one is way more sophisticated and more to my taste. Clearly, they're all great quality watches and they all have goods and bads which make them similar in quality to me. I would be happy with anyone of these. However, since I'm both shallow and a sucker for silver burst dials, I'd go for the Hamilton here lol.
Considering knowing that Orient Star is premium level for not really premium money, I'm kinda sad saying the above. But for me Orient Star shines most with their more dressy watches. And just for the record, I'm also a Seiko fan lol.
Another great video from you which I highly enjoyed. Keep up the great work!
As usual, superb video! Wife gave me this Hamilton for a Christmas gift, watching the prices on the OrientStar closely for a strike, but the Alpinist has to get closer to $500 for me....
I've got the Khaki King & the 017 Alpinist, & for me the Seiko is better quality (tho the Hamilton is lovely) & better value (there's much more work gone into it) so I can only guess that the new Alpinists are even better...Not had an Orient so couldn't comment from experience. Both the Seiko and the King are marvellous watches. Cheers mate, stay healthy everyone 👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you, informative and entertaining. My thoughts are: Alpinist specs are great and the watch has a cool dial. But too thick, don't like the positions of the crowns (wish they had a compressor style positioning perhaps), and don't like the hands much. The Hamilton is lovely, but the day window really bothers me. Cutting out the 12 is fine. But could they not have sized it somehow so that it didn't cut into the 11 and the 1?? Sadly I just can't get past that. The Orient was the one that I was most taken by, but the dimensions are just not to my liking. In the end, love how Hamilton styling goes with so many bands and situations, so decided on the 38mm Khaki silver dial with 100m WR and small date window.
I like khaki king for the upper full day display but I can't stand that the 11 and 1 are cut off, I can't unsee it. I ended up going with a khaki field paper dial because of it... Also got a black dial orient star outdoor for backup
Great video - so thorough. I would go Hamilton KK as I own same Champagne dial example.
I just watched 3 of your videos on field watches in a row. Damn, they are good. Thorough, insightful, genuine. Rock on. I subbed last week and look forward to catching up on your work. BTW: I would choose the Hamilton- but ideally the 28800 ETA movement version. Swiss made, genuine military history, dress/casual and just classy. Cheers, Phil
Thanks and Welcome! They take time to put together, but I enjoy doing it.
i watched this review. I bought the champagne Khaki King. value+looks+quality. Love the two-tone strap tho.
Thumbs Up... and will continue with this tomorrow as this looks like a good blood bath :))
I like the Orient especially that crown... Congrats on over 17'000 my dear friend... this is still shy of a few hundred thousands which is where it should be... catch up soon :))
Thanks!
Yah it's a long one. Which is why I kept putting off doing it. I've spent so much time editing it over the last 3 days I've given myself carpal tunnel.
If your looking for 21mm straps check out watch gecko. Also barton makes a canvas and leather strap you can get of amazon. Great videos partially due to your reviews I picked up and Orient star outdoor. Its an awesome watch for the price got it used for $302. Have a great one!
was debating between alpinist and hamilton and just found your video, thanks for your insights!
Glad it was helpful!
Well done. I would have picked the Hammy, since it is a more well known brand than Orient and the Orient’s design is way less interesting to me.
What about a “re-sale value” factor? Taking into consideration the popularity and desirability of the Hamilton and the Alpinist, I think these models would be much easier to re-sell at a good price than the Orient Star. Of course, for many buyers, this point would not be a consideration, but for those inveterate flippers who like to “sell and change”, it is an issue.
That would be an interesting category. Makes sense. Personally I usually check what something is going for on eBay before I buy it new. Just to see how much I might loose if I don't like it. Have to think about that one...
I love that burgandy/ brown strap on the Khaki King. Where can I find it?
Owned all 3 of these. Only one i miss with a passion is the sarb017. Such an amazing watch and I shouldn't have flipped it.
(2nd comment) Any chance we go to ecodrive Citizens? Mont Bell limited edition, BN0110, BN0118 or even PMD56? Would love to hear your thoughts on these kind of (field af...!!!???) watches. Cheers once more m8
I really want to get one of the promaster toughs, just not sure when.
I have the non limited black uk version with 300 mr wr on a kevlar strap. A real field watch together with the G Shock. These three are just dress watches anno 2020 really.
I like Orient & Orient Star... a lot. (I've got a small seconds Bambino). There's just one thing those at Orient (Star) should learn (apart from listening to us:-)) : where to put the date window and how to execute it
PS: Shane, didn't the original Alpinist have a 6R15 movement, like the SARB033/035?
Yes, the original had a 6R15. I believe the current gen gas a 6R35.
I’m curious about how the Hamilton would stack up against the Glycine Combat Vintage 6.
That's another good one I'd like to see sometime. I've seen them pop up on Massdrop for a good price, but it always seems like it's the larger model.
Try Ashford.com.
Orient Star 1st for me!
I would choose the Hamiton. The Day/Date is very important when you are camping or boating for a few days. You will be surprise how you loose track of the day or date in those situations...Trust me on this one!
This is very true. Someone else mentioned that it's also a necessity when retired or whenever you don't work a regular 9-5.
Great job. I thought your point system was accurate and unbiased. I've been wanting to buy my 1st Orient Star for a couple of months. Where'd you get the ostrich strap. Great choice IMO!
Thanks. Just randomly found it on Amazon while searching for 21mm straps. I don't remember the brand, but there is a link in the description.
Great job on the review! Looking forward to the Summiteer review. I received mine yesterday.
Thanks! Which color did you get?
Relative Time Blue dial with orange second hand.
Well, if we're a having a field watch comparison a category encompassing "field" application/use should be included or those characteristics should be weighted more heavily. And honestly, I'm not sure if I agree with what seems to be the latest watch review trend of classifying the Alpinist as a field watch. Why? Well, mainly its the Alpinist's case. I'm not sure how to classify it beyond, another Seiko masterpiece of watch case design, but it doesn't seem to relate to traditional field watch case design. I'd wear the Alpinist out on the town, the Outdoor when on a hiking trip and I'm still waiting for something in Hamilton's line other than their Naval watches to capture my attention.
I missed this one...Great comparison… The only thing that stops me from saying the khaki King wins hands down is the water resistance rating… I want to see 100 m on any watch that’s not a dress watch…And before somebody makes the comment let me point out that 50 m Water resist means if you fall in the water and immediately get back out, you are probably ok... Because of that I’ll go with the Alpinist.
I have to mention that great camerawork again as well! Watch companies should hire you to match their watches with NATO’s, bracelets, And leather straps. Like Bill Clinton said “It’s the strap stupid”....Something like that anyway...
I’m gonna stop trying, because When I copy what you have done it always looks better! Many thanks to you and your channel for making my hobby
more ‘enjoyable’...
Great review. I'm a sucker for field watches too
In head to heads have you considered doing 'points out of 10' for each watch and each category? From viewing multiple head to head videos this seems to give a better fairer (often closer and potential but rare ties) results ... I've even seen some categories double weighted.
I think you can drop or add certain categories depending on the types of watches being compared.
Thanks for the good review. A while ago, I couldnt really see myself wearing a field watch, but now I think I'm ready. I like the Orient very much, except the power reserve indicator. I respect the complication, and they have placed it in the middle, but still. I'd rather have a date window at 6 and move the writing to the place of the PR indicator. The old Alpinist never really grew on me, stainless case and golden hands have always been a no go for me. This new one is more tasteful I think. I think the Hamilton will be my winner. For an everyday watch I need the date at my hand, and the weekday is a nice feature; "day-date-style". I love the Rolex Explorer 1 too (not keen on the 2) but can I do without the date? Hmm. BTW, I cant understand that you dont have more subscribers, you have been doing a very good job for the past couple of years that I have been following you.
How much is the price of orient outdoor in the market is it available in amazon.
I would get the outdoor, but I have an Orient Defender 2. Minus not having a saphire crystal, it fills my field watch duties. I might upgrade the crystal, but I'm in no hurry. It's also crazy accurate at -1 s/d.
Which Defender colorway did you get? I sold my Defender I a while ago and have been meaning to check out the Defender 2. Just not sure which one I'll pick up.
@@RelativeTime I ended up getting the black IP coated case with the grey dial and OD NATO. having the quickest day complication sold me over the original Defender. I took a chance on it. I'm glad I did. There aren't many reviews floating around RUclips on the new ones.
@@RelativeTime www.orientwatchusa.com/collections/sport/products/ra-ak0403n10a
Comprehensive and measured review. Thank you, Shane👍☘
To me a field watch doesn't need 200m water resistance. If it goes half that deep then I've fallen out of the canoe and drowned. My first choice would be Khaki King. I just like a field watch to have ledgable numbers and the 24 hr as well. The Hamilton just has all that and the style that suits me. Black dial of coarse.
I like the design of hamilton but the lack of AR is a deal breaker for me. Goimg with the Orient Outdoor
Fun video as usual. My only current field watch is a Victorinox Infantry automatic which I managed to score new for $188 at the Victorinox factory store. I wonder how it would do in your comparisons. I used to own a Khaki King black and the old Sarb017 and between the 2 I would vote Alpinist.
While it's not a feature on the watch face if you press the button on the Alpinist it shows the power reserve by the second hand sweep round.
The Button?
@@RelativeTime below the crown on the side of the case. The second hand should sweep around and give an indication of power reserve.
@@alancampbell1008 Oh, that's the second crown that rotates the internal bezel. I think I know what you are talking about, Seiko Kinetics have that ability. Which can come in handy. Although the Alpinist has a much simpler mechanical movement.
@@RelativeTime my bad! 🙂
Great video, my friend. One thing that I, personally; would consider. Is concerning routine maintenance. The roughly 5 year cleaning of an automatic. Seiko USA will literally rake you over the coals for it. Right this very minute they want $118.00 to do a 7S26 movement. Some of the watches they put that movement in (Seiko 5); don't cost that much new. From what I've been able to calculate, they want about half of what a new watch would cost, just to clean, lubricate, and regulate. Don't know about the Orient, but; the Hamilton's somewhat generic Swiss movement could be done fairly cheaply. Anyway, that's my take on it. Take care.
Thanks. That's a good point. At some point I should contact some local shops and see what movements they handle and if they charge differently for each.
As I understand it no one will service the Hamilton powermatic movement other than ETA who will throw away the old movement and stick a new one in while sticking you for the pleasure.
The Hamilton's movement is anything but generic and can only be serviced by ETA who simply change the movement rather than service it. The alpinist runs the new 6 r35 movement with a 70 hour power reserve which was not considered in the review.
While I have a thing for Orient Star watches, I'd probably go with the Hamilton. I love the overall look of the watch. Of course, I would have a problem if someone were to give me both watches! BTW, I just saw the OS Outdoor on another site, the dark green face and an almost charcoal-black PVD-coated stainless steel. I'm not normally a fan of most green watch faces, but the look of this one against the dark case was a knockout.