I agree with you 100%, vanguard was my favorite ship and the first one I actually purchased with cash but when 3.23 hit I had to sell it I just go back to a cutty black because the speed of the size two weapons was so slow on vanguards compared to all other weapons on other ships. I hope they update the speed of the weapons soon on the vanguards.
@@dietersdiy2304 dude the Gvsr repeaters are just copy pasted attrition S2 stats, we have no high velocity weapons for the vanguards bespoke guns and it sucks!
But you are 100% accurate. The only thing to add is the EMP is always off that requires manual activation and it doesnt disable anything, I cant even disable a S1 ship.
@@Crooked_Will it's still just distortion damage tho so you have to fall back on the old take the shields down first. I don't even know if the EMP can shut ships down anymore. It doesn't stack any more I think so above a certain size I don't think you have any hope of shutting someone down
@@Twidgyt emp can shut small ships down, and disto stacks to the point of power plant shutdown, but nothing else is effected really. To be honest, I’ve been flying the harb when I fly vanguards at all mainly. Those S5 torps are good for crippling larger ships, and it’s turret being 2S3 puts it above the warden.
3.23 absoutely neutered the vanguard... was my favorite ship, but it's almost totally useless now. The 4 nose guns are not on gimbals and with an atrocious turn rate you'll never hit anything. Also they removed any fixed weapon assist. No gimbals, no assist, the vanguard sucks now.
@@maximusf3063 facts, it was rough but usable before, now it’s useless against any half decent pilot. I’m huffing that hopium that 4.0 comes sooner rather than later and it gets properly balanced.
They aren't sentinels either. Sentinel has half the hull hp as the other variants so it cannot stand up for itself anymore Sentinel was never supposed to be the front line fighter, it's ewar while the others out in the real work Also don't compare to the f7 mk2, it's utterly busted and makes any ship look bad
@@schlagzahne6741 I used the f7a as it’s the new hotness, power creep keeps going up lol. Sentinel not being the front line and being the EWAR ship at the rear of the pack doesn’t justify it having half the health of every other Vanguard.
Sentinel is hard to balance due to the EMP and the greater agility (compared to the Warden).
I agree with you 100%, vanguard was my favorite ship and the first one I actually purchased with cash but when 3.23 hit I had to sell it I just go back to a cutty black because the speed of the size two weapons was so slow on vanguards compared to all other weapons on other ships. I hope they update the speed of the weapons soon on the vanguards.
@@dietersdiy2304 dude the Gvsr repeaters are just copy pasted attrition S2 stats, we have no high velocity weapons for the vanguards bespoke guns and it sucks!
But you are 100% accurate. The only thing to add is the EMP is always off that requires manual activation and it doesnt disable anything, I cant even disable a S1 ship.
Sentinel has half the hp of the other vanguards which is rough.
And makes absolutely 0 sense lmao
@@Crooked_Will It might make sense if the EMP actually worked. But then why only have S2 turrets. That EMP is not good enough to justify the HP cut.
They did her wrong! But last time I rocked the Sent putting power to guns made the EMP charge faster.
Sure as hell did, CIG did my baby dirty . Ima have to test that emp thing though.
@@Crooked_Will it's still just distortion damage tho so you have to fall back on the old take the shields down first. I don't even know if the EMP can shut ships down anymore. It doesn't stack any more I think so above a certain size I don't think you have any hope of shutting someone down
Right now I'm just enjoying the Warden's default weapons group and not having to dedicate one just for the EMP. We need more than two
@@Twidgyt emp can shut small ships down, and disto stacks to the point of power plant shutdown, but nothing else is effected really. To be honest, I’ve been flying the harb when I fly vanguards at all mainly. Those S5 torps are good for crippling larger ships, and it’s turret being 2S3 puts it above the warden.
@@Twidgyt Ya, I cant shutdown even S1 ships. EMP is a joke.
3.23 absoutely neutered the vanguard... was my favorite ship, but it's almost totally useless now. The 4 nose guns are not on gimbals and with an atrocious turn rate you'll never hit anything.
Also they removed any fixed weapon assist. No gimbals, no assist, the vanguard sucks now.
@@maximusf3063 facts, it was rough but usable before, now it’s useless against any half decent pilot. I’m huffing that hopium that 4.0 comes sooner rather than later and it gets properly balanced.
Why is it that NPC vanguards always seem indescructible though? Can't just be bad server performance that makes them so tanky.
@@redshirt49 bad luck, sim or servers melting, especially during XT. Server Performance has been terrible lately.
They aren't sentinels either.
Sentinel has half the hull hp as the other variants so it cannot stand up for itself anymore
Sentinel was never supposed to be the front line fighter, it's ewar while the others out in the real work
Also don't compare to the f7 mk2, it's utterly busted and makes any ship look bad
@@schlagzahne6741 I used the f7a as it’s the new hotness, power creep keeps going up lol.
Sentinel not being the front line and being the EWAR ship at the rear of the pack doesn’t justify it having half the health of every other Vanguard.
yeah 3 trigger pulls with shields off on the sentinal
@@niklasschwarz4447 and it only takes a single magazine from an m series hornet to kill one with shields up.
Sentinel has half the hp of the other vanguards which is rough.
@@j1lakenan1 agreed, makes no sense.