I will say, from everything I’ve heard about squad tactics, including if most of your riflemen are running ARs, and one dude is running an AK, for your buddies to carry one AK mag just in case. While I have no personal experience, with this, I can’t help but think that with a designated shotgunner, that would be even more important. I know there’s these Velcro shell holders that can hold like 25 shells. Maybe if one of your buddies has some free real estate on his plates, he might be willing to put it on his back or something and you could top off from that? I have something similar on my scabbard for my Shockwave. Using the scabbard itself to host the ammo for the firearm stored inside. As well as James Reeves’ “tactical Fanny pack” which is just a pouch of loose buckshot that he puts to good use in his burn down videos. Idk, it’s just another trade off. More power shot for shot than almost any other fire arm, but also the capacity to carry less.
After reading this (I am and always have been a dirty civilian with unhindered access to FM and MCWP documents), I've appropriated this into me and my buddies SOP. One of my homies only runs AKs, usually in 5.56 for compatibility, so we all started carrying at least 1 or 2 extra 5.56 AK magazines. We all run the same patrol bags, Mystery Ranch ASAP or Blackjack 50. Has made our lives heavier but easier.
One guy with a AK in the squad how ridiculous he better sort his commie loving ass with a PSA or something... btw a 200 round SAW pouch will hold 50 shotgun shells, or 7 thirty round STANAG mags.
In perfect world it would be nice for your buddies to carry your extra ammo. This idea would not always be practical. I carry extra ammo of all 3 types in my backpack. Mostly 00 buck but also some slugs and birdshot. Why birdshot? It may not kill but is good for suppression. And then of course for anti drone work.
US use of the combat shotgun actually pre-dates the first World War. The US first issued shotguns to soldiers in 1900 during the Philippine-American War. They were issued again during the Pancho Villa expedition in 1916/1917.
@Souwth-bawston-is-fuh-luvahs weren't the germans complaining of us using shotguns right after ww1 because they were too brutal? Or am I thinking of something else?
Trained with the 870 in the army. Loading and shooting is a different beast. Especially on the move. Takes more practice. Because of the slower and smaller load/fire rate, I strongly believe transition training to a second weapon(pistol) is essential. I always taught my troops that if you’re not shooting it, you’re loading it.
@@bushboi absolutely, a mag change for, let’s say 8-10 rounds in a few seconds versus same round count individually…perhaps 10-12 seconds. That’s a LONG time in a firefight.
@@grumpyolesilverback7211 But most mag fed shotguns aren’t very reliable and having a jam is even worse than a longer reload, if it’s not something like a light strike it’s gonna take longer to clear.
@@Tree457 feed problems are usually type of shells being used. Just got to get to know your gun and what it likes to eat. Everyone has their preference, go with what you know and what you trust. Look at the SCAR. Good system, accurate and simple to use. Picky about ammo though.
Retired Army here, I own a MKA1919 the manual of arms is very similar to the AR just much larger. 10round magazines are much faster. That being said it's harder to keep up with magazines. The 870s magazine can't be dropped and lost in a hurry at night.
I’ve found a 200 round SAW pouch with the detachable dump lid to be the best shell pouch I’ve used so far. (The dump lid is just 2 flat pieces of elastic that overlap slightly in the center and you can shove your hand in to grab shells easily, but it keeps the shells from falling out) It’s definitely bulkier than shell cards and you would need make room on your belt. It carries a lot though! 🤘🏻
I use an old gas mask pouch with a Velcro lid on my belt. I think it might be a little lower profile than your saw pouch. But I like your idea. That sounds good with the elastic covers.
I remember training with a 12 gauge shotgun (a Remington 870) in the corrections academy. They taught us the two shot technique, firing from the shoulder to firing from the hip(it was a little strange for a first timer because of the placement of the feet, one shot and the recoil knocked everyone back a little). One instructor demonstrated a rapid fire technique. Great information and demonstration.
"Only takes one mistake" is accurate. Story time! Been doing bushcraft and stuff as long as I can remember. I'm 37 and don't remember a time where I didn't have access to a knife or axe or tomahawk or something sharp. That said, at age 35 I misplaced 2 fingers due to a half second mistake. Seriously kiddos, one moment can screw with you for a lifetime!
I was the shotgunner/breacher on my SWAT team (many years ago). The shotgun was and still is an intregal part of an entry team. We used frangible rounds to breach. Im still a shotgunner at heart.
Great video. I grew up on shotguns, even though I love shooting my AR's, shotguns are just a while different level of fun. I have a rig set up for shotgun, I like the shotgun cards, but I still have the metal side saddle. I'm realizing the benefits of the cards vs the permanent saddle. I also keep my 870 as my HD gun of choice, some people think shotguns suck, but that's their opinion. There's definitely no doubt in the power of a 12 gauge, especially when it's recommended by the Alaskan fish and game department for bear protection.
I've been using a Gunner Solutions EZ8 caddy on my belt for speed reloads and double loads, and I like the Head On Tactical shell pouch for admin loads. The Head On Tactical pouch is really nice because it's two short flapped pouches that hold ten shells each, plus there are four elastic shell loops on the front for some extra rounds. For on the chest I've gotten away from detachable cards and I switched to Russian knockoffs of the SOE shell pouch instead. My opinion is that I don't want to waste time switching shell cards, but if I tuck the stock into my side and turn the gun I can reload 95% as fast from the chest rig/plate carrier. The pouch itself consists of two velcro cards attached to an open top pouch. Both are tethered to the pouch; one sits on the front and the other sits inside the pouch. Once the front one is empty you rip it off and it falls off, but you don't lose it because it's attached to the bottom of the pouch. Then you pull the second one out from the inside and it drops right onto the front to replace the first one. Three of them fit on a MOLLE placard and will work as a micro rig or on the front of a plate carrier for a total of 36 shells. I like side saddles but I prefer hard saddles like what Mesa makes. I find all detachable velcro saddles lose their elasticity and shells always slip down and either fall out when they're brass-down, or if they're brass-up they still slip and the rim gets caught in the elastic. I don't want my emergency speed reloads falling out or getting stuck when I need it. The Mesa side saddle is really tight, but I've never lost a shell from one. I see shotguns as the civilian's submachine gun. They're able to put a lot of lead down range, with the added ability to be used as a breaching round. It's also one of the more common weapons in the world, and you might not always have access to a semi auto rifle with detachable mags, depending on how laws change or where you live. It's worth getting one and learning to use it.
Blue Jean Operator also did a video on a shotgun as an anti-drone device when using birdshot for small-to-medium quadcopters. Another important duty for a shotgunner is to carry heavy duty bird shot loads and maybe an extra long barrel for bird hunting. Also, it is important to be able to protect your shells from reflecting the sun and to prevent it from getting dirty (especially if trench warfare may be a concern). So velcro shotgun cards on the front of the plate carrier are probably only viable in street/indoor operations.
Yes and no, from a civilians stand point, we aren't going into trench warfare. The nice thing about the Velcro cards are that they are cheap to replace, the permanent side saddles will wear out eventually and when they do, that's not an easy swap or replacement as that requires some disassembly. Obviously high quality side saddles will last a long time, and I think the solid ones have its benefits as well.
Why the long barrel for birds? I do skeet shooting with my 18.5" occasionally and do fine, muzzle velocity is negligible in shotguns between lengths aswell
@@MityLite Barrel length does indeed make a difference, there's a reason why shotguns typically have long barrels and it's not for a long sight picture. My 870 with it's bird barrel can keep bird shot and buckshot in tighter groups with the same choke compared to my 18.5" smooth bore barrel and my 18.5" barrel accepts chokes.
Great video. Subscribed this morning after watching. Went and did some testing at the range with my rem 870. Did the shoot 2 load 2 and the top loading of different rounds without looking. Then when I did run dry, I'd practice switching to sidearm. I'd like to see you do some cqb tips with the 870.
Trench, great video. Before ammo cards were the thing, we loaded our dump pouch with the shells. The dump pouch flap had a hand size cut to reach in and grab two shells to load yet preventing the loss of shells when moving. With practice, it too is fast. Using a LBE type system or chest rig attached to the pistol belt helps carry the load and allows for prone work. Shotguns are best paired with riflemen…indeed. A shotguner surrounded by rifleman walks calmly with a swagger. I keep my gun clean, no attachments, and a dump pouch with shoulder strap next to the gun for housework, so to speak. Slings…single point is best, but traditional sling works too. Nonetheless, shotguns for defense/tactical work need a sling.
Absolutely agree . Rifleman first. Shotgunner helps with things. I have a single point for this shotgun but took it off for video because of mic and I’m a noob
@@trench_grenade Hey Trench, I'm kind of a newb so I am sorry if this is a stupid question. Is wearing all those shotgun rounds on your chest a liability? I mean to say if someone shoots your vest, are the rounds liable to explode right in your face and torso?
@@BrockNessMonster1991 no sir, I have family members so I do not place lights on weapons at home. Personal choice. I use a low light on hat that sits next to my bed or on my head. As a SRT member, I used a weapon light because that situation dictated its need. Again, personal choice.
Great video. I really appreciate you starting with the four principles. Don’t see that enough on gun videos/channels. One thing I think you didn’t talk about that I’d like to see/hear is round count. Counting down or however you do it or counting up but having the frame of mind knowing the round count and knowing how many you need to reload. Great video I look forward to watching your content!
Lots of good stuff in there, keep them coming! Just one small note: a hard body armor, such as ceramic or steel can distribute the force of the impact on a large enough area to save the wearer, provided none of the pellets hit the unprotected parts. Think about it this way: when you shoot the gun, the shotgun itself will accelerate backwards and the shots will accelerate forward with practically the same amount of kinetic energy. The energy of the shotgun is transferred to your body through the stock (which is a relatively large area compared to a shotgun pellet), without causing any permanent damage. When the pellets hit hard body armor, they will transfer about the same amount of kinetic energy to the armor plate that was transferred to your shoulder when the gun was fired (minus the energy lost in flight due to drag). The surface area of the plates is even larger than the end of the stock, so the force of the impact will be distributed on an even larger area. The wearer would probably feel like someone kicked him in the chest, but wouldn't suffer permanent damage. Now if we look at slugs against soft body armor... yeah, a few broken ribs would be the least of your worries.
Great video!Nice inputs! I think that at 100 yards you should aim at shoulder height to hit the target. I discover that the best rig to carry shotgun rounds is SOE Micro 12 gauge rig and the COP rig. You can carry 24 to 36 rounds. Add a general-purpose pouch or a SAW pouch on your belt and you can carry another 50 rounds easily.
Good stuff, thanks man. I have an 870 marine magnum but am thinking about switching over to a Benelli m4. What’re your thoughts for a semi-auto vs a pump for a tactical application? Thanks
Great video man, just subscribed. I look forward to seeing you hit 10k or maybe even 100k subs down the road. And I'll be here for the Journey. From one fellow Gun nut to another.
Outstanding video, I actually learned A LOT. Haven’t seen one out there on this topic and I haven’t thought about a designated Shotty. Didn’t know they aren’t drop safe! Also didn’t know to aim for the waist at 100m! I also completely forgot about the tabs to unload the tube! What do you think about shorty rounds and employing them? Also what do you think about employing a pistol grip shotty (to minimize size) with a sling to push it out, realistic or stupid? Also do you just have velcro slapped on the side of your receiver or is that a rig for the receiver shingle? Great idea! Thanks!
Good review and use on a great platform. Its my favorite after growing up hunting/shooting. etc. Being an old guy and doing what is now called a mil contractor for years worldwide as well as a 30 yr police career mainly in special units and SERT team I carried a Mossy 500 as a contractor and now at home/comp and an 870 on the force (as well as the Benelli). I like them all definitely train with them. I like a tough red dot for poa/poi but practice with the bead sight at waist level as Trench pointed out here. Shoot from prone, sitting, standing and disadvantaged positions. The tactical loads are nice as they lessen the kick. When low shooting under cars, etc, it does not take long for a sore shoulder. Practice using both sides and single hand manipulation, again, both hands. A shotgun is an amazing weapon putting a lot down range but as said, it is a hungry beast. It pays to get practice non firing ammo to practice good reloads from different ways, stoppages and transition to your handgun. I did this for many years but like nearly every skill-it is perishable. Keep training. Stay safe my friends.
Pausing at 9:45 to ask: Were you issued a Remy or do you prefer it? I find that, especially with that SGA stock, I prefer a Mossberg to a Remington. Mossbergs only have a single holding tab for the rounds, making them easier to extract manually. They also have a screwed-on ejector as opposed to the Remi's riveted-in ejector, making them user-serviceable. Another question, what's your take on auto shotguns for a DSG? If you question the reliability, then I would pose the same question, but with a dual-mode shotgun such as a Benelli M3. Box mag or Tube mag is up to you to assume/talk about.
shotguns are one of if not THE most versatile weapon out there. not counting the novelty loads, like dragons breath and flachettes and so on. but theres low brass birdshot, all the various shot sizes. then theres the higher brass. and all the various loads of buck shot. thene the many slugs and the buck and slug. i think that shotguns are gonna be crucial in future combat, not just in the traditional shotgun role, but also in the additional drone warfare that we are and will be seeing in future combat. shotguns are critical for a breaching team. and are just badass weapons. i was a shotgunner in my first group. i started my civilian training as a shotgunner
Subbed. Really dig the concept of having a designated shotgunner in a squad. Never know when you'll need to do a shotgun breach on a door... or a trench full of dudes.
I use a Mossberg 500 , with a 18 inch barrel , I love it , killed a lot of deer with it , works for me , been shooting like that for a lot of years , rest video . You have a 7 rd. Tube I will make this video a must see when I train my grandkids. I have a grandson that was with the 3rd herd , as a mortarman , I'm sure he could ad some hidsight to this , thank you. When you fire a shotgun gun down range , with 00buck , you are putting 45rds. Down range faster and cover just as much area as a fully auto M16 a1 , you cannot use up 1and 1/2 full mags , as fast as you can 5 rds. Of 00 buck. I myself , I use coyote rds.
Dude, this video is highly informative. I really appreciate videos like these. I've been meaning to get trained on utilizing a shotgun. But, i always put it to the side. anyways, thanks for the video. Good luck to you on your youtube joruney. I'm looking forward to your next upload.
I love my shotguns I’ve got a Turkish benelli clone and my all time favorite the Keltec KSG set up with a breacher muzzle device and bayonet spikes, a foregrip, with a Romeo 5.
overall good info put your info on armour is kinda funny, 00 buck from a 12g at muzzle will have the same average energy as .308 winchester 150gr ,but spread over a wider surface area. with each individual pellet only carrying about 280 ft/lbs of energy individually. someone wearing NIJ certified lvl3 lvl4 would be fine.
Exactly, Newtown's law of equivalent force or something. For every action there is an equal opposite action. In order for a shotgun to fire enough force to cave a chest in from sheer blunt trauma, it would also have to break your shoulder or wrists shooting it. If shooting buck shot is just a push in your shoulder then it's just a push to their plate.
Something I want to point out to those watching that he didn't mention but he does. I was apart of a security team and when we were trained. They trained us to never take our eyes off our target you. your weapon is one with you no matter what weapon you have always keep eyes on target. Great video Trench Grenade.
My retinas detached so my 870 is my go to gun now. I have bought up a bunch of the Winchester 00 buck with green shells and black brass. S&B is a great round too.
Maybe its just the patch, but I think I saw your exact plate carrier up on an FB gear group lol. Good shit btw! Shotguns [depending on the opposing forces' kit] are usually the most effective "close" range weapons out there. Pair that with proficiency with a pistol at up to 50 yards, and you're a force to be reckoned with.
Pumps are nice too because you can get down a lot of the dynamics outside of recoil management with dummy rounds. Get enough to load the shotgun and your shotgun card and practice at home anytime you have the time.
@frankcastle8028 Dummy rounds are a small investment and they really pay off. You can video yourself on your phone and improve times and techniques. Shotgun loading skills deteriorate fast if you don't get some practice in
Freaking awesome content my dude, You could tell you speak from experience and we really appreciate your advice and tips. Just got me my first 12 gauge it's a Mossberg Maverick 88, Can't wait to apply and train on these techniques you show. Liked and new sub Greetings from Canada
I keep a Maverick 88 with an 18.5" barrel and folding stock strapped to my pack, and carry an AR as a primary. The maverick is super lightweight, and with the tube and chamber loaded and 5 more strapped to the stock, plus the 20 or do rounds I keep in my pack, it's a very versatile weapon. 00 buck is great as far out as 50-75 yards, depending on the gunner and the load.
@@trench_grenade oh, I've seen some of the old timers make shots with buck that far. They're usually using full length barrels, and a choke though. I prefer an 18.5 for the mobility. A good underfolding stock and point shooting makes a huge difference in close quarters, too. I've found just keeping your non dominant index finger extended on the pump, and pointing at whatever you want to hit gets you close enough. Even a shoulder or a leg hit with 00 buck is devastating. Getting hit in the pelvic area is deadly. I'll definitely check the vid out, though. Thanks for the heads up.
Shot cards are handy, but when you’re running, you might lose some shells with the rim downward. I’ve coated the interior of my elastic loops with carpet glue that you can get from most home supply stores. Once dried, it’ll hold your shells snugly,
A Fanny pack works great for carrying extra ammo, you can put it on even when you are wearing your normal battle belt, or for home defense you can put it on with pajamas ect
Any tips for like attachments like a light or vertical grip. Pros cons on them and what about carrying shotgun with a ar? I’ve seen a bungee cord with a magnet plate to hold the shotgun on your side. Let me know what you think about the magnet retention. Big thanks
I will say, from everything I’ve heard about squad tactics, including if most of your riflemen are running ARs, and one dude is running an AK, for your buddies to carry one AK mag just in case.
While I have no personal experience, with this, I can’t help but think that with a designated shotgunner, that would be even more important. I know there’s these Velcro shell holders that can hold like 25 shells. Maybe if one of your buddies has some free real estate on his plates, he might be willing to put it on his back or something and you could top off from that? I have something similar on my scabbard for my Shockwave. Using the scabbard itself to host the ammo for the firearm stored inside.
As well as James Reeves’ “tactical Fanny pack” which is just a pouch of loose buckshot that he puts to good use in his burn down videos.
Idk, it’s just another trade off. More power shot for shot than almost any other fire arm, but also the capacity to carry less.
When I say Velcro, I mean they strap on with Mollie but fold up with Velcro. Just wanna clarify that real quick.
After reading this (I am and always have been a dirty civilian with unhindered access to FM and MCWP documents), I've appropriated this into me and my buddies SOP. One of my homies only runs AKs, usually in 5.56 for compatibility, so we all started carrying at least 1 or 2 extra 5.56 AK magazines. We all run the same patrol bags, Mystery Ranch ASAP or Blackjack 50. Has made our lives heavier but easier.
I find that anothr alternative to the tactical fanny pack is a chicom drum mag pouch. The wood toggles take some time getting used to tho.
One guy with a AK in the squad how ridiculous he better sort his commie loving ass with a PSA or something... btw a 200 round SAW pouch will hold 50 shotgun shells, or 7 thirty round STANAG mags.
In perfect world it would be nice for your buddies to carry your extra ammo. This idea would not always be practical. I carry extra ammo of all 3 types in my backpack. Mostly 00 buck but also some slugs and birdshot. Why birdshot? It may not kill but is good for suppression. And then of course for anti drone work.
US use of the combat shotgun actually pre-dates the first World War. The US first issued shotguns to soldiers in 1900 during the Philippine-American War. They were issued again during the Pancho Villa expedition in 1916/1917.
Hell ya
It was fine until ww1 ended. And then shottys were concidered too op
@Souwth-bawston-is-fuh-luvahs weren't the germans complaining of us using shotguns right after ww1 because they were too brutal? Or am I thinking of something else?
@@Mr-Eleven Marines in Belleau Wood goes chu-cunck...
@@Mr-Eleven yes but their complaint was ignored due to their use of chemical agents, flame throwers and high rate of fire MGs
Trained with the 870 in the army. Loading and shooting is a different beast. Especially on the move. Takes more practice. Because of the slower and smaller load/fire rate, I strongly believe transition training to a second weapon(pistol) is essential. I always taught my troops that if you’re not shooting it, you’re loading it.
Do you reckon one of the AR platformed shotguns would be better ? Something like that Gen 12 AR shotgun upper ?
@@bushboi absolutely, a mag change for, let’s say 8-10 rounds in a few seconds versus same round count individually…perhaps 10-12 seconds. That’s a LONG time in a firefight.
@@grumpyolesilverback7211 But most mag fed shotguns aren’t very reliable and having a jam is even worse than a longer reload, if it’s not something like a light strike it’s gonna take longer to clear.
@@Tree457 feed problems are usually type of shells being used. Just got to get to know your gun and what it likes to eat. Everyone has their preference, go with what you know and what you trust. Look at the SCAR. Good system, accurate and simple to use. Picky about ammo though.
Retired Army here, I own a MKA1919 the manual of arms is very similar to the AR just much larger. 10round magazines are much faster. That being said it's harder to keep up with magazines. The 870s magazine can't be dropped and lost in a hurry at night.
I’ve found a 200 round SAW pouch with the detachable dump lid to be the best shell pouch I’ve used so far. (The dump lid is just 2 flat pieces of elastic that overlap slightly in the center and you can shove your hand in to grab shells easily, but it keeps the shells from falling out) It’s definitely bulkier than shell cards and you would need make room on your belt. It carries a lot though! 🤘🏻
Hell ya
I have two of those, you can fit roughly 75 shells each into one!
@@TheWolfElder if you succeed in emptying 75 shells then you’ve probably done your job for the squad, let alone doing that twice.
@@nicholasbreecher9315 Oh no, I'm just saying that's how many you can put into one of those pouches.
I use an old gas mask pouch with a Velcro lid on my belt. I think it might be a little lower profile than your saw pouch. But I like your idea. That sounds good with the elastic covers.
Glad to see someone talking about scatterguns. Good stuff
Shotguns are based
@@trench_grenade You are indeed a man of culture.
@@Boosttackle get some my dudes !!
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@@trench_grenade Shotguns are the most American gun
I remember training with a 12 gauge shotgun (a Remington 870) in the corrections academy. They taught us the two shot technique, firing from the shoulder to firing from the hip(it was a little strange for a first timer because of the placement of the feet, one shot and the recoil knocked everyone back a little). One instructor demonstrated a rapid fire technique.
Great information and demonstration.
Thanks brother
Is there a video demonstrating this? I don’t think I fully understand.
"Only takes one mistake" is accurate. Story time! Been doing bushcraft and stuff as long as I can remember. I'm 37 and don't remember a time where I didn't have access to a knife or axe or tomahawk or something sharp. That said, at age 35 I misplaced 2 fingers due to a half second mistake. Seriously kiddos, one moment can screw with you for a lifetime!
Tell them again. They weren’t listening close enough. Sorry for the mistake but this is good input for our audience to hear.
"Misplaced" 💀
A mistake with a shotty is different. Safety first, and slow is fast.
I was the shotgunner/breacher on my SWAT team (many years ago). The shotgun was and still is an intregal part of an entry team. We used frangible rounds to breach. Im still a shotgunner at heart.
Which shotgun do you like best, pump or semiautomatic?
I nice to see someone approach the Shoot gun from an Infantry perspective rather then a CQB like everyone else dose.
Great video. I grew up on shotguns, even though I love shooting my AR's, shotguns are just a while different level of fun. I have a rig set up for shotgun, I like the shotgun cards, but I still have the metal side saddle. I'm realizing the benefits of the cards vs the permanent saddle. I also keep my 870 as my HD gun of choice, some people think shotguns suck, but that's their opinion. There's definitely no doubt in the power of a 12 gauge, especially when it's recommended by the Alaskan fish and game department for bear protection.
My brother in spaghettios, thank you everyone for the support. This is freaking awesome to see. Much more on the way regarding shotguns.
More practice on your reloads could help
I got my sh*t set up for shotgun, carrier vest and belt. I use Ithaca37 with slam-fire option. Best combat shotgun ever.
Just found you. Subbed. Iz good stuff!
I subscribed at "today we're discussing the shotgun In the modern rifle squad"
Wonderful shotgunning tips. Training is everything and a wielding a modern blunderbuss requires more. Keep the tactics coming brother.
Video coming today
I've been using a Gunner Solutions EZ8 caddy on my belt for speed reloads and double loads, and I like the Head On Tactical shell pouch for admin loads. The Head On Tactical pouch is really nice because it's two short flapped pouches that hold ten shells each, plus there are four elastic shell loops on the front for some extra rounds.
For on the chest I've gotten away from detachable cards and I switched to Russian knockoffs of the SOE shell pouch instead. My opinion is that I don't want to waste time switching shell cards, but if I tuck the stock into my side and turn the gun I can reload 95% as fast from the chest rig/plate carrier. The pouch itself consists of two velcro cards attached to an open top pouch. Both are tethered to the pouch; one sits on the front and the other sits inside the pouch. Once the front one is empty you rip it off and it falls off, but you don't lose it because it's attached to the bottom of the pouch. Then you pull the second one out from the inside and it drops right onto the front to replace the first one. Three of them fit on a MOLLE placard and will work as a micro rig or on the front of a plate carrier for a total of 36 shells.
I like side saddles but I prefer hard saddles like what Mesa makes. I find all detachable velcro saddles lose their elasticity and shells always slip down and either fall out when they're brass-down, or if they're brass-up they still slip and the rim gets caught in the elastic. I don't want my emergency speed reloads falling out or getting stuck when I need it. The Mesa side saddle is really tight, but I've never lost a shell from one.
I see shotguns as the civilian's submachine gun. They're able to put a lot of lead down range, with the added ability to be used as a breaching round. It's also one of the more common weapons in the world, and you might not always have access to a semi auto rifle with detachable mags, depending on how laws change or where you live. It's worth getting one and learning to use it.
Blue Jean Operator also did a video on a shotgun as an anti-drone device when using birdshot for small-to-medium quadcopters. Another important duty for a shotgunner is to carry heavy duty bird shot loads and maybe an extra long barrel for bird hunting. Also, it is important to be able to protect your shells from reflecting the sun and to prevent it from getting dirty (especially if trench warfare may be a concern). So velcro shotgun cards on the front of the plate carrier are probably only viable in street/indoor operations.
Yes and no, from a civilians stand point, we aren't going into trench warfare. The nice thing about the Velcro cards are that they are cheap to replace, the permanent side saddles will wear out eventually and when they do, that's not an easy swap or replacement as that requires some disassembly. Obviously high quality side saddles will last a long time, and I think the solid ones have its benefits as well.
Why the long barrel for birds? I do skeet shooting with my 18.5" occasionally and do fine, muzzle velocity is negligible in shotguns between lengths aswell
@@MityLite
Longer barrels keep tighter patterns at longer distances.
@@toddk1377 Thats more of a choke choice than anything
@@MityLite
Barrel length does indeed make a difference, there's a reason why shotguns typically have long barrels and it's not for a long sight picture. My 870 with it's bird barrel can keep bird shot and buckshot in tighter groups with the same choke compared to my 18.5" smooth bore barrel and my 18.5" barrel accepts chokes.
I dig your kit. It works very well. I generally don't like velcro at all, but this is a very good use of it.
Just posted a teaser video about it
What do you mean, Velcro is the most tactical piece of equipment ✌️😃
Great video. Subscribed this morning after watching. Went and did some testing at the range with my rem 870. Did the shoot 2 load 2 and the top loading of different rounds without looking. Then when I did run dry, I'd practice switching to sidearm. I'd like to see you do some cqb tips with the 870.
This is what motivates me right here. I’ll do a video on it brother
Trench, great video. Before ammo cards were the thing, we loaded our dump pouch with the shells. The dump pouch flap had a hand size cut to reach in and grab two shells to load yet preventing the loss of shells when moving. With practice, it too is fast. Using a LBE type system or chest rig attached to the pistol belt helps carry the load and allows for prone work. Shotguns are best paired with riflemen…indeed. A shotguner surrounded by rifleman walks calmly with a swagger. I keep my gun clean, no attachments, and a dump pouch with shoulder strap next to the gun for housework, so to speak. Slings…single point is best, but traditional sling works too. Nonetheless, shotguns for defense/tactical work need a sling.
Absolutely agree . Rifleman first. Shotgunner helps with things. I have a single point for this shotgun but took it off for video because of mic and I’m a noob
@@trench_grenade you did great, but you are obviously a rifleman/11b.
@@trench_grenade Hey Trench, I'm kind of a newb so I am sorry if this is a stupid question. Is wearing all those shotgun rounds on your chest a liability? I mean to say if someone shoots your vest, are the rounds liable to explode right in your face and torso?
@@jimipickle8355 - so you’re not running a white light on the HD shotgun?
@@BrockNessMonster1991 no sir, I have family members so I do not place lights on weapons at home. Personal choice. I use a low light on hat that sits next to my bed or on my head. As a SRT member, I used a weapon light because that situation dictated its need. Again, personal choice.
Great video. I really appreciate you starting with the four principles. Don’t see that enough on gun videos/channels. One thing I think you didn’t talk about that I’d like to see/hear is round count. Counting down or however you do it or counting up but having the frame of mind knowing the round count and knowing how many you need to reload. Great video I look forward to watching your content!
Great video. This just popped up on my suggestions and I am glad it did. I subscribed and look forward to more. Keep up the great work!!
what an incredibly informative video, thank you!
Great video and excellent content. Has me reevaluating the scatter gun. It's also nice to be talked "to" and not talked "at". Subbed.
Great vid! I hope to see more shotgun content on this channel. It’s an under represented platform on RUclips
Thanks brother
This was a great presentation. Good job.
Lots of good stuff in there, keep them coming!
Just one small note: a hard body armor, such as ceramic or steel can distribute the force of the impact on a large enough area to save the wearer, provided none of the pellets hit the unprotected parts.
Think about it this way: when you shoot the gun, the shotgun itself will accelerate backwards and the shots will accelerate forward with practically the same amount of kinetic energy. The energy of the shotgun is transferred to your body through the stock (which is a relatively large area compared to a shotgun pellet), without causing any permanent damage. When the pellets hit hard body armor, they will transfer about the same amount of kinetic energy to the armor plate that was transferred to your shoulder when the gun was fired (minus the energy lost in flight due to drag). The surface area of the plates is even larger than the end of the stock, so the force of the impact will be distributed on an even larger area. The wearer would probably feel like someone kicked him in the chest, but wouldn't suffer permanent damage.
Now if we look at slugs against soft body armor... yeah, a few broken ribs would be the least of your worries.
Great videoa love the content and the education. Keep up the great work
You need to do a video on the whole "aiming at the belt buckle" thing. That wasn't well explained but is interesting.
Working it
Minute of man
Slid right into a huge niche that a lot don’t talk about good stuff.
I’m the designated shotgunner in our group a proud position
Proudly serving lol
Serving up buckshot down range
So am I! I'm the designated shotgunner and point man.
In call of duty maybe
@@jamalwashium5387 fee free to join me at my local range big Hoss
I recently acquired an 870. Ran a 11-87 growing up. Nice video. Answered some loadout questions for me. Cheers my dude!
Great video!Nice inputs! I think that at 100 yards you should aim at shoulder height to hit the target. I discover that the best rig to carry shotgun rounds is SOE Micro 12 gauge rig and the COP rig. You can carry 24 to 36 rounds. Add a general-purpose pouch or a SAW pouch on your belt and you can carry another 50 rounds easily.
dropping a vid today
Outstanding video, and great vest setup.
Thank you kindly!
Awesome vid man, didn't know shooting procedures with a shotgun havent trained with one either, but this is off to a great start! Keep it real homie!
I like this guy. No bullshit. Competent information based on experience. Good video, man. Thanks for the information.
Rock on
I don't watch gun shooting videos in general but stuck around a bit. Good job on bringing safety right at the start of the video
Thank you brother
Good stuff, thanks man. I have an 870 marine magnum but am thinking about switching over to a Benelli m4. What’re your thoughts for a semi-auto vs a pump for a tactical application? Thanks
Great tips and training bro. One saying and the things we trained was, "load what you shoot".
Shoot and load
The best lesson I've learned is keep shooting until they're dropped and maybe an extra for good luck, don't ever assume one or two is enough
Great video man, just subscribed. I look forward to seeing you hit 10k or maybe even 100k subs down the road. And I'll be here for the Journey. From one fellow Gun nut to another.
Hell ya brother. One can dream right
Even though I live in a country with 0 possibility of owning a gun, this is still informative. Thank you, Sir
Valuable information. Best damn shotgun video I've seen. Thank you
Based lol
Damn dude I am glad I found your channel. Love that 870 of yours too that’s what I run. It’s my favorite rig I’ve built right now for the price point.
Welcome to the trench brother
Outstanding video, I actually learned A LOT.
Haven’t seen one out there on this topic and I haven’t thought about a designated Shotty.
Didn’t know they aren’t drop safe!
Also didn’t know to aim for the waist at 100m!
I also completely forgot about the tabs to unload the tube!
What do you think about shorty rounds and employing them?
Also what do you think about employing a pistol grip shotty (to minimize size) with a sling to push it out, realistic or stupid?
Also do you just have velcro slapped on the side of your receiver or is that a rig for the receiver shingle? Great idea!
Thanks!
Excellent! Subscribed
Good review and use on a great platform. Its my favorite after growing up hunting/shooting. etc.
Being an old guy and doing what is now called a mil contractor for years worldwide as well as a 30 yr police career mainly in special units and SERT team I carried a Mossy 500 as a contractor and now at home/comp and an 870 on the force (as well as the Benelli). I like them all definitely train with them. I like a tough red dot for poa/poi but practice with the bead sight at waist level as Trench pointed out here. Shoot from prone, sitting, standing and disadvantaged positions. The tactical loads are nice as they lessen the kick. When low shooting under cars, etc, it does not take long for a sore shoulder. Practice using both sides and single hand manipulation, again, both hands. A shotgun is an amazing weapon putting a lot down range but as said, it is a hungry beast. It pays to get practice non firing ammo to practice good reloads from different ways, stoppages and transition to your handgun. I did this for many years but like nearly every skill-it is perishable. Keep training. Stay safe my friends.
Rock on brother
Pausing at 9:45 to ask: Were you issued a Remy or do you prefer it? I find that, especially with that SGA stock, I prefer a Mossberg to a Remington. Mossbergs only have a single holding tab for the rounds, making them easier to extract manually. They also have a screwed-on ejector as opposed to the Remi's riveted-in ejector, making them user-serviceable. Another question, what's your take on auto shotguns for a DSG? If you question the reliability, then I would pose the same question, but with a dual-mode shotgun such as a Benelli M3. Box mag or Tube mag is up to you to assume/talk about.
We used mossberg 500s
Shotgun owner here. I do need more time at the range to practice, but I’m very happy with the particular model I purchased for myself.
Awesome video, super informative and open to beginners
Thank you sir
Well… my insane love of shotguns has led me here! Excellent vid. Sub’d
Thanks brother
Good knowledge transfer. Keep it up.
shotguns are one of if not THE most versatile weapon out there. not counting the novelty loads, like dragons breath and flachettes and so on. but theres low brass birdshot, all the various shot sizes. then theres the higher brass. and all the various loads of buck shot. thene the many slugs and the buck and slug. i think that shotguns are gonna be crucial in future combat, not just in the traditional shotgun role, but also in the additional drone warfare that we are and will be seeing in future combat. shotguns are critical for a breaching team. and are just badass weapons. i was a shotgunner in my first group. i started my civilian training as a shotgunner
I like the saftey promotion at the start of the video. acts and proove.
Subbed. Really dig the concept of having a designated shotgunner in a squad. Never know when you'll need to do a shotgun breach on a door... or a trench full of dudes.
The Navy can show you how to handle a trench full of dudes.
Diversity matters mate.
@@samhellion lmao 🤣 😂 😆
Awesome video for the novice shotgun lover, I like the fact that he did not try to promote a specific shotgun. It was all informative. Thumbs up. Sub!
Good for small drones too
I use a Mossberg 500 , with a 18 inch barrel , I love it , killed a lot of deer with it , works for me , been shooting like that for a lot of years , rest video . You have a 7 rd. Tube I will make this video a must see when I train my grandkids. I have a grandson that was with the 3rd herd , as a mortarman , I'm sure he could ad some hidsight to this , thank you. When you fire a shotgun gun down range , with 00buck , you are putting 45rds. Down range faster and cover just as much area as a fully auto M16 a1 , you cannot use up 1and 1/2 full mags , as fast as you can 5 rds. Of 00 buck. I myself , I use coyote rds.
Love the content! Keep it up!
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Dude, this video is highly informative. I really appreciate videos like these. I've been meaning to get trained on utilizing a shotgun. But, i always put it to the side. anyways, thanks for the video. Good luck to you on your youtube joruney. I'm looking forward to your next upload.
Thank you brother
just got my first 590a1. Didn't know about that unloading trick - thanks.
Very good information I like the video I like everything you did no negative comments you obviously been trained very well and you've practiced a lot
Thank you
I love my shotguns I’ve got a Turkish benelli clone and my all time favorite the Keltec KSG set up with a breacher muzzle device and bayonet spikes, a foregrip, with a Romeo 5.
overall good info put your info on armour is kinda funny, 00 buck from a 12g at muzzle will have the same average energy as .308 winchester 150gr ,but spread over a wider surface area. with each individual pellet only carrying about 280 ft/lbs of energy individually. someone wearing NIJ certified lvl3 lvl4 would be fine.
Exactly, Newtown's law of equivalent force or something. For every action there is an equal opposite action. In order for a shotgun to fire enough force to cave a chest in from sheer blunt trauma, it would also have to break your shoulder or wrists shooting it. If shooting buck shot is just a push in your shoulder then it's just a push to their plate.
@@MALICEM12will the .308 cave the chest in?
Yeah, that part is bullshit.
@MALICEM12 good semi shot guns with slugs have low recoil . Mine doesn't have much get the right gun
Something I want to point out to those watching that he didn't mention but he does. I was apart of a security team and when we were trained. They trained us to never take our eyes off our target you. your weapon is one with you no matter what weapon you have always keep eyes on target. Great video Trench Grenade.
Thanks brother
My retinas detached so my 870 is my go to gun now. I have bought up a bunch of the Winchester 00 buck with green shells and black brass. S&B is a great round too.
Hell ya
Outstanding!
I'd love to see more shotgun content bro
I think shotguns will be a cornerstone of this channel. Effective and fun to use
Great video! More thank you
Thank you brother
Awesome video my guy. Lots of good stuff here
Thank you
I carried a shotgun in Vietnam as a Platoon Sergeant. The 870s were just added to the inventory during 67-68.
Subbed. I’ve definitely become a shotgunner. Favorite of all my tools in the safe.
Hell ya
Frank? Lol, I like your style
Maybe its just the patch, but I think I saw your exact plate carrier up on an FB gear group lol. Good shit btw! Shotguns [depending on the opposing forces' kit] are usually the most effective "close" range weapons out there. Pair that with proficiency with a pistol at up to 50 yards, and you're a force to be reckoned with.
priceless knowledge, thank you man! any tips to keep you shooting shoulder in the fight and tight?
Cool video, gave me a new idea for a plate carrier
Hell ya
I bought a Mossberg 590, thinking about making it my official loadout, I kind of love it 😍 also, what state is that? It looks awesome.
Shotguns are super under utilized and there are some amazing options out there.
Absolutely
Pumps are nice too because you can get down a lot of the dynamics outside of recoil management with dummy rounds. Get enough to load the shotgun and your shotgun card and practice at home anytime you have the time.
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I do this often. It's great for building muscle memory
@frankcastle8028 Dummy rounds are a small investment and they really pay off. You can video yourself on your phone and improve times and techniques. Shotgun loading skills deteriorate fast if you don't get some practice in
Great video.
Thank uoj
A 12 ga with Buck shot and slugs have always been my preferred weapon inside 100 meters.All weapons have their place. Great video. New subscriber.
Freaking awesome content my dude,
You could tell you speak from experience and we really appreciate your advice and tips.
Just got me my first 12 gauge it's a Mossberg Maverick 88,
Can't wait to apply and train on these techniques you show.
Liked and new sub
Greetings from Canada
Good information, good video, thanks.
I keep a Maverick 88 with an 18.5" barrel and folding stock strapped to my pack, and carry an AR as a primary. The maverick is super lightweight, and with the tube and chamber loaded and 5 more strapped to the stock, plus the 20 or do rounds I keep in my pack, it's a very versatile weapon. 00 buck is great as far out as 50-75 yards, depending on the gunner and the load.
New video up at 100m with buck
@@trench_grenade oh, I've seen some of the old timers make shots with buck that far. They're usually using full length barrels, and a choke though. I prefer an 18.5 for the mobility. A good underfolding stock and point shooting makes a huge difference in close quarters, too. I've found just keeping your non dominant index finger extended on the pump, and pointing at whatever you want to hit gets you close enough. Even a shoulder or a leg hit with 00 buck is devastating. Getting hit in the pelvic area is deadly.
I'll definitely check the vid out, though. Thanks for the heads up.
Outstanding
Great break down bro! Learned a lot! Thanks!
Hell ya
Actually love this idea and had a similar rig set up
Thank you
finally a video i've been waiting for. i am the shotgun guy. like the dedicated set up.
Good drills 👍
What would you say to wearing a shoulder pauldron for additional real estate for ammo placcards?
Good job man. Glad I found the channel.
Thanks brother
What chest rig are you running there? Want to find something like that where I can just stick shell cards to it. Thanks
Shot cards are handy, but when you’re running, you might lose some shells with the rim downward. I’ve coated the interior of my elastic loops with carpet glue that you can get from most home supply stores. Once dried, it’ll hold your shells snugly,
Thank YOU. For all the GREAT information. And OLD DEVIL DOG. And VN VETERAN
thanks for this video was really informative
Thanks brother
I've been using shotgun shell bandoliers and shell pouches.i haven't had a shell fall out yet. But those shell placards look like a nice addition.
A Fanny pack works great for carrying extra ammo, you can put it on even when you are wearing your normal battle belt, or for home defense you can put it on with pajamas ect
Ageed not big on chest rigs, especially for shotgun rds. Anyone remember low crawl, my first deployment was Panama.
Great stuff
Thanks dude
it would be nice to see shotgun sling options covered in a future video
Today
Any tips for like attachments like a light or vertical grip. Pros cons on them and what about carrying shotgun with a ar? I’ve seen a bungee cord with a magnet plate to hold the shotgun on your side. Let me know what you think about the magnet retention. Big thanks
A light is key for urban/ home defense
Where did he get that vest? I can't seem to find any vests that support shotgun shells
I love shotguns. Used to pull the shot out when I was a kid and load finishing nails in as flechette rounds. Good times
Nice video, very informative! Do you ever have problems with shells falling out of the cards when they’re brass down?
Yes when using in the field
@@trench_grenade Thanks. I guess I’ll practice running them brass up.
@@Holyman556 I run them brass up and I don’t have a problem with them falling out