SLIP TEST - Dacia Duster 4WD vs Toyota Yaris Cross Hybrid AWD-I -
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Dacia Duster 1.6 SCe MT 4WD (2018)
vs
Toyota Yaris Cross 1.5 VVT-i e-CVT Hybrid AWD-i (2022)
#duszaniespokojna #duster #yariscross
Here's short info about AWD-i system of Yaris Cross. Rear axle is powered by a Q510 1MM electric motor, generating 3.9 kW (5.3 HP) and 52 Nm. It is simple induction motor (no energy recovery function like in Rav4 Hybrid), the amount of oil in the unit is ~1.3l, the weight of the unit is ~30 kg.
The motor has two shafts/gearings with final ratio of 10,487. This should result in a rear axle torque at the level of ~545 Nm, unfortunately it seems that this is only a theoretical value. Rear axle on its own is not able to push the car. Even if only one front wheel loses traction, car needs help from traction control system. Under full throttle AWD-i system is always active up to ~40 km/h, up to 70 km/h it is active if slippage is detected.
Non-hybrid Yaris Cross AWD uses traditional awd system with driveshaft and JTEKT electromagnetic coupling (ITCC), there are different driving modes - Mud&Sand and Rock&Dirt.
That's why... 5 HP is useless unless you're already rolling. It's more like FWD with a stability assist.
@@scott8919 545nm should move it
@@TerribleAcid it sounds like a lot, but it isn't. If i attached a 2 foot breaker bar to the hub center and stood at the end of the breaker bar that's the same max tractive force. Even a small engine with 130 nm output and a relatively poor 15:1 first gear ratio can output roughly 4 times that figure.
@@TerribleAcid it clearly can't. It can barely spin the back wheel on rollers. You think that can move a car? At idle that gas engine is already producing more than that.
It is actually 5.3 Kw/7,1 hv.
The absolute uselessness of the Yaris Cross makes me laugh each time. To think I was actually considering buying one scares me a little.
It's not that bad, rear axle is kind of a little helper. Not a real awd though but better than 2wd.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers that is exactly what it is. It helps a bit in low traction situations but on ice or rollers with no traction it's useless.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I’d like to see it in a real world situation such as shallow snow.
Having the wheels self propel must be better than them dragging along like a trailer!
@@Largeone1968 In not demanding conditions it is doing fine. Rear axle doesn't push the car but front axle doesn't need to tow the rear. But when situation is difficult - then problems may appear.
AWD this is absolute useless on the roads that 99% of car owners use😅
In a climb with slight front wheelspin, the Yaris will not be able to advance. Not a real 4x4 / awd. Maybe a little helpful on slippery roads, to correct the trajectory.
That is exactly what it is for. Just like with the RAV4 hybrid AWD. Under no circumstance you should think that it is an off-road vehicle.
It won’t be able to correct anything. The only benefit of this rear motor is when starting on slope and it’s slippery the rear axle will have more grip than the front one as the car mass moves towards the rear . That’s all
@@toninocars that is indeed the only advantage. That is also why the RAV4 hybrid AWD is allowed to pull 1650kg and the FWD version only 800kg. So setting off on an incline is where it helps.
I've been driving Toyotas since 2010. Hundreds of thousands of kms in these cars, not once having issues. With the original Yaris 99' I've even done some mild off roading on wet muddy roads driven by tractors with no issues at all, with my 4x4 Rav4 I've done some serious off roading and she never let me down. I didn't know Toyota sells these as genuine 4x4 vehicles, maybe I've missed it. All I know is that there are more than 90% chances that you will drive this car for more 10ys without any issues and do some occasional mild off roading whithout any problems. If you are planning to buy this car for serious off roading then this is your problem as this car was never intended or designed for this. This is no Samurai, Jimny nor a Land Cruiser. This is a Yaris keeping up with times. If you want to test a car for its off roading capabilities take the car off roading... these tests are for people who buy a Puma thinking they bought a sports car... enjoy...
This is not "offroad" test but slippery conditions test. Besides - Toyota says in description of Yaris Cross about driving with wheels in the air - what does it suggest, onroad?
Yaris Cross is not a car for mountaineering and Toyota doesn't advertise it as such.
The rear axle motor offers extra stability & correct driving in difficult city conditions, such as lots of rain, mud sliperry roads or light snow. I have use it as such and it gives excellent drive. Of course using All Weather tyres M+S greatly improves the efficiency of the car.
If you don't like, your right.... then go and buy a tin cage like Dacia !!! (by the way this test is really use less)
Sure, it's not for mountaineering but it does have TRAIL mode, doesn't it...? Is this mode designed to use on dry pavement? Furthermore - some versions do have Mud&Sand and Rock&Dirt modes - aren't they designed to drive on mud, sand, rocks and dirt?
Test is not useless, it shows how weak the rear electric motor is, it's too weak to push the car by itself. Toyota actually responded to this test and explained that the problem comes from too low starting torque of rear electric motor.
Duster is here just for comparison, it could be any other B/C class car, for example Vitara: ruclips.net/video/BhxCJH4-uxQ/видео.html
It can be even GR Yaris, which has nothing to do with TRAIL but it outperforms Yaris Cross: ruclips.net/video/ZnqGYbGA4gc/видео.html
Non hybrid Yaris Cross AWD would probably perform like GR.
To sum: is AWD-i of Yaris Cross a good awd system? No. Is it a good helper? Yes.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers yes it is not a good AWD system, it is an assistant motor for certain conditions, which gives the Cross excellent stability. In general it's under powered it needed at least a 20 hp rear motor. But then perhaps say bye bye to it's record fuel economy for such a car. You cannot compare its 116 HP with that of GR, huge power difference!!! and there is no non hybrid AWD Cross
@@dimger182 Yes, it may be called an assistant motor but there is AWD label at the back. And there is TRAIL mode. Imho - it should be officially called "mild awd". When it comes to power - max engine power has nothing to do with this test. It is about AWD system abilities to split the torque between the axles and wheels. Duster or Vitara are also ~115 hp.
And there is non hybrid Yaris Cross AWD, 1.5 VVT CVT. It has different awd system and different driving modes, much more capable than the hybrid version.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I have seen nowhere a YARIS CROSS AWD with thermal engine only, such a model is non existent. Please show it to me
@@dimger182 This is Toyota video: ruclips.net/video/YpTf_qDK9Gw/видео.htmlfeature=shared
And this is Toyota presentation of both awd systems + our comment (English language is below Polish): m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02axWLLszSsDiBntGMFwdnshq5PitNzqZG7QZc3as9hr2NVDXQrzPfzCQLvUCSmUBYl&id=100057291968613:
Trail mode 😁? We should check if Toyota uses Trail mode name for Adaptive Cruise Control. 🤔😂
No surprises here, Toyota smaller MGr is little more than a nudge for output
Toyota make you feel cognitive dissonance .
Car look like crossover with light off road option, but in practice...🤷♂️
What nice from Toyota to send a 2WD car to bad you never know which 2 are drivin.😂
more plastic, more wire and little bit metal thats it. your yaris is ready
Napęd w Yarisie to jakiś żart. Lepiej by sprzedawali odmiany tylko na przód.
Can you please test an fwd Yaris cross? Just interesting how the 2wd traction control works and will it make it ? I watched a video from Greece and a 2wd cross was going over off road terrain very nicely with ease. And if possible awd cross on rollers in revers ?
Yes, there is a plan of testing 2WD Yaris Cross. When it comes to reverse - we can try if we get one more awd version.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks, will wait for this and I am not alone. It’s a wide audience waiting too. 👌👍
Πατρίδα θα σου πω κάτι που ίσως βοηθήσει . Στο μπροστινοκινητο 125 ίπποι , το trc λειτουργεί ως μπλοκέ αλλά με ηλεκτρονικό τρόπο . Κάτι σαν grip control . Καταρχήν το αντισπιν κάνει δύο πράγματα . Αν περιστρέφεται τρέλα ο ένας , αντί να πάει σε αυτόν όλη η ροπή όπως σε ένα συμβατικό διαφορικό , αυτός φρενάρει μέσω του abs . Έτσι το διαφορικό στέλνει ροπή και στον άλλο . Συνεχίζει να σπινιαρει βέβαια αλλά περιορισμένα . Αν τώρα σπινιαρει και ο δεύτερος τότε μειώνεται η τροφοδοσία οπότε δε σπινιαρει κανένας τροχός αλλά το αμάξι δεν πάει πουθενά αφού έχει κόψει το γκάζι ο εγκέφαλος . Αν όμως βγάλεις το αντισπιν αλλά και το esp η παροχή συνεχίζει κανονικά . Διατηρηται όμως το φρενάρισμα στον τροχό που σπινιαρει ανεξέλεγκτα με συνέπεια να βοηθάει ο άλλος ακόμη και αν σπινιαρει και αυτός . Δηλαδή δεν κόβονται τα καύσιμα αλλά παραμένει το μοίρασμα της ροπής . Ο τρόπος που το δοκίμασα για να σιγουρεψω αυτά που είχα μάθει από βιβλία , ερωτήσεις και you tube είναι ο εξής . Πήγα τον δεξιό τροχό σε γλίτσα με το αντισπιν αλλά και το esp εκτός . Ξεκίνησα το αμάξι απότομα και άκουσα τον αριστερό να σπινιαρει . Άρα δεν πήγε όλη η ροπή στον δεξιό . Το συμπέρασμα είναι ότι το trc ή το tcl ή το grip control ή όπως το λέει η κάθε εταιρεία υποκαθιστά την τετρακίνηση αλλά δεν την αντικαθιστά σε καμία περίπτωση . Με έχει βοηθήσει πολύ αλλά υπάρχουν και λίγες βέβαια , περιπτώσεις που δεν αρκούσε . . Αυτά .... Συγνώμη αν σε κούρασα αλλά για να τα μάθω έπρεπε όχι απλά να ρωτήσω τόσους ανθρώπους αλλά να παραλάβω το αυτοκίνητο και να δω στην πράξη πως λειτουργεί . Για αυτό είπα να σε βοηθήσω με μια καλοπροαίρετη αλλά ίσως κουραστική ενημέρωση .
@@KO-zh4yqThere's a major mistake in your comment. Torque split of an open, conventional differential is always equal for both sides, always 50/50. Brake intervention on slipping wheel increases the overall torque applied, it doesn't change the torque split between the wheels.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers there aren't a major of mistakes. There are only two mistakes. First that iam not so good at translate and second that you do not understand how exactly it works. Of course the torq is the same. But the revolution is more and more at the wheel with the less friction . That my ability at the English language . That is why I tried to help the other guy at our language
Im seeing the comments about roasting Yaris Cross got me thinking, are those people aware of the fact that Yaris Cross is an urban cruiser ? which also makes this test pointless. Yaris Cross is basically a Yaris for people who wants an SUV feel in city.
Also Yaris Cross is a B segment car, the test should be done vs Sandero not Duster
If you think the test is pointless then I suggest to watch this one: ruclips.net/video/oIaqkuVuXtg/видео.html
Yaris Cross was compared with Duster due to similar price, but it was also compared with other B cars like Suzuki Vitara.
Sandero not 4x4
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The Japanese are particularly superior in hybrid car technology. Gold cars, but Dacia cars are painted steel only.
interesting...But Dacia Duster is bigger than Yaris cross. YarisCross is made as "compact" SUV. so the purpose and theme are different between them.
Here's Yaris Cross vs car of the same size (Suzuki Vitara): ruclips.net/video/BhxCJH4-uxQ/видео.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Oh.... what makes this difference? I am aware the 4 wheel system of Yaris cross is not solid, like mimic
@@吉村克洋 Rear axle of hybrid Yaris Cross is powered by 5 hp electric motor, that should explain it...
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers powerless from hv motor. understood. Also very disappointed because I just purchased a new Yariscross HV 4WD last week😭 How about RAV4-PHV? Which Toyota SUV is you can admit real 4-wheel SUV, powerful rear??
@@吉村克洋Visit our Facebook page, there is a few articles and analyzes of Yaris Cross AWD-i system. Non hybrid versions of Yaris Cross or Rav4 have much more powerful rear due to classic structures, where rear axle is powered by driveshaft. There are tests on our channel so you can see the difference.
When it comes to your Yaris Cross - just be aware of the fact that its awd system is only a helper, not a real awd. It will help you during low-mid speed driving in winter, during low-mid cornering but it won't help if you get stuck or in really difficult conditions.
Don't take tis Toyota out in the bush.
That Toyota is a big joke.
To be fair, they never claim that it is a off-road capable vehicle. On surfaces with low traction or steep hills it assists the front wheels just fine but on snow and ice, not so much (basically useless on ice). But a little extra traction can always be helpful. For the money you can get a way more capable AWD vehicle if you need AWD regularly.
With the RAV4 hybrid for example the towing weight increases from 800kg to 1650kg when you get the AWD version. So it must be doing something in assisting the car get going on a hill with a trailer.
It's not that big.
@@meeder78 Rav4 Hybrid has much stronger rear motor.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers yes, the 4th gen has a 59kW/140Nm motor in the rear with a 6.591 total gear ratio. Still only 922Nm at the wheels in theory.
The 5th gen RAV4 has a 40kW/120Nm rear motor but it has a 10.781 gear ratio which gives 1294Nm at the wheels.
All numbers are theoretical because of the way the hybrid system works. There is a limit in how much power can be diverted to each electric motor in de hybrid system.
In the 4th gen (P314 transmission) MG1 can generate approximately 35kW (this was a guess by someone, no real data available) and from the battery you can draw 125A if I'm right which is at 244.8V nominal 30.6kW. So maximum available electric power is somewhere around 65kW which is split between MG2 and MGR so you will never reach the maximum rated power. That is why you can't simply add the power of the engine, MG2 and MGR together for the system power. Added together it would be 276kW but in reality the maximum system output is 145kW.
@@meeder78 Thanks. Interesting thing is that 5th gen is able to get out of rollers by front or rear axle but 450h isn't. Other thing is programming which in case of Yaris Cross isn't delivering much torque if car is not moving...
And the car reviewers wonder why Honda sticks with a mechanical system in their hybrids.
To be fair, Honda's mechanical systems (non ivtm4) haven't faired much better. The crv had been the laughing stock of roller tests for years.
@@PatrickRich5th gen is doing well, 4th was poor.
@@PatrickRich I mean, the older systems didn't put much power to the rear. But the first version still gave those wheels more power than this Toyota. And the current system is comparable to this Dacia.
Toyota nie ma kół 😅 … nie zrozumiem nigdy tego gustu jak można malować alufelgi na czarno.. czarna dziura
W pełni się z tym zgadzam 🙂
jesli wytrzymaliscie do 1;53 to jestescie twardzi, smiech na sali
kurf, jezdze toyota, smuteczek
DUSTER 💪
Daczka ma prosty słaby napęd, ale toyota praktycznie nie ma wcale. 30kg zbednego balastu.
Dlaczego uważasz, że napęd Dustera jest słaby?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollersZobacz inne testy. Nie trzeba kręcić kołami szybko przez kilka sekund żeby te koło co ma trakcje dostało moment. Mam tak w starej hondzie. Jak jedzie to ok. Jak się zakopiesz w śniegu i łopata odkopiesz auto i ruszasz, to gdy tył dostanie moment przód stoi już znów zakopany. Wtedy zakopuje się tył i stoisz dalej. Wolne ruszanie w śniegu jest tylko z użyciem przedniej osi. Duster ma tak samo. Nawet dużo gorzej patrząc na testy.
@@841106noel Duster ma trochę inaczej. Można użyć funkcji LOCK i rusza z czterech kół. Stare Honde (HR-V czy CR-V) rzeczywiście muszą zamielić przodem, żeby zacząć napędzać tył.
@@841106noel akurat test on rollers udowodnił, że duster ma dobre wyniki. To twoje taczydło ma słaby napęd.
@@zepter00 Jaka to jednostka słaby? Ile % momentu całego może trafic ba tylną oś w taczce? I jak jest w ogóle zbudowany? Starsze mają jedynie gołą wiskozę. A nowsze? Honda ma napęd taki, który sprawuje sie super dopóki jedzie. Jak się zakopie to juz tylko lina.
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