SLIP TEST - Toyota Yaris Cross Hybrid AWD-i vs Suzuki Vitara Hybrid All Grip -
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Toyota Yaris Cross 1.5 VVT-i 116 hp Hybrid AWD-i e-CVT (2022)
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Suzuki Vitara 1.5 DualJet 116 hp Full Hybrid All Grip Select 6AGS (2022)
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I wish Suzuki never left the USA market. I loved my Suzuki SX4 AWD. Living in the snow belt of upstate NY with averages of 200+ inches of snow a year that car would go through snow like crazy.
just get a subaru or some audi 😅
Well, I like this Toyota, but this AWD is ridiculous as we can see.
First try with Vitara and it's over for the Toyota ;).
I had the hunch that 5 hp on the back was not enough...
Thanks for this test!!!
Glad to have a Vitara allgrip.
Suzuki Allgrip is a good solid reliable system. Hope you enjoying the nice car 👍
As a Yaris Cross AWD-i owner it is really disappointing to now see how poorly the AWD system performs compared to the Suzuki. I think the HEV Vitara still has a mechanical driveshaft to the rear which clearly makes all the difference. I think the "i" in AWD-i stands for ineffectual. Thanks for taking to time to do the test and post the video, even if I don't like the result.
That's correct, Vitara Full Hybrid uses conventional awd system with driveshaft. Did you try your Yaris Cross in some offroad or winter conditions?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Not yet, I only collected it last month. I did watch some other videos in snow and trail conditions in which it seemed to perform OK. But I guess these are less demanding conditions.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I think you missed one test combination. Normal (automatic) mode with Traction Control disabled. Trail mode applies brakes to spinning wheels, Snow mode tempers acceleration and TRC may reduce power.
@@leighhaynes That's right, we didn't test it but it was intentional - that wouldn't change a thing. Brake intervention is crucial for this test, so actually Trail mode itself should do all the work.
Toyota seems to be following the same philosophy Honda had back in 2012 with their first-generation electronically-controlled AWD system. They prioritized efficiency and stability once moving as opposed to capability, (in Honda's case it could only put 25% of power to the back wheels until a few years later when it bumped up to 40%... which I think only happened because of the PR disaster they had on their hands). Toyota could absolutely put in a stronger rear motor and calibrate the traction control to improve it if they wanted to.
Pathetic results from the Toyota. It appears 1) the rear system never has enough power to move the car by itself, and 2) traction control doesn't move power from one side to the other, just cuts power.
Exactly, in fwd Toyota hybrids the traction control works great one side to another and only cuts off power when both driving wheels loose grip, the fwd Yaris cross would have pass the side roller test 👍
Actually it doas brake the slipping wheel
My deepest condolences to the Yaris Cross owner.
Edit: before watching I saw that this is 16 minute video. Seeing Toyota, I knew why.
the fwd are good. hard offroad with YC doesn't make sense .is a SUV not a Jeep.
@@LaMontagnaRegina The irony is, that the Vitara and the Yaris Cross are in the same category, also around the same price (The AWD Yaris Cross is a bit more expensive than the Vitara 1.5 Hybrid). The Vitara can off-road as a SUV, the Yaris Cross not.
@@LaMontagnaRegina Hard offroad? It's on rollers on a flat surface!? 😂😂 It shouldn't be labelled AWD if it isn't in almost any real situation on the road where AWD is beneficial. Don't defend crappy AWD and essentially false advertizing..
Well, just a confirmation of my thoughts, Toyota hybrids are the best cars when fwd only, their hybrid awd is a non sense. It’s not only the weak rear motor but this also creates extra problem, now we have not one but two open differentials and straggling TC. Me think fwd Yaris cross will at least pass one side roller test. Please find a fwd cross to confirm that. Thank you for the video. Keep up the good work. 👌👍
Have the Vitara 1.4 awd automatic and the Swift sport 1.4. Perfect budget setup for a family in my opinion. Bought the Vitara for the future, will start using it after our 2015 Mazda 6 diesel awd gets to old.
Wanted the non hybrid versions of both the Vitara ans swift Sport.
We have exactly the same set 👍
It was more than obvious from the launch like all hybrid Toyota- Lexus...but is does its job helping the front wheels if the correct tyres are fitted....as for the Suzuki i had no doubt about its capabilities and I'm realy glad about them🤩🤟💪
日本からです。
本日、日本名 エスクード ハイブリッド を納車受け取りに行きます。貴方の動画は車選びの時、とても参考になりました。ありがとうございます。車の選考でスバル 日本名 XV と最後まで悩んでいましたが、4WDの性能と燃費でスズキの車に決めました。
貴方の動画はこれ以外にも多くのメーカーの車の性能の比較対照と実験を行っており非常に品質が高いものばかりですので、新しい動画の配信も楽しみにしております。チャンネル登録もしております。
Thanks!
I think that's the worst awd system I've ever seen lol
Bardzo dziękuję za ten test! Yaris Cross jest najgorszym samochodem 4x4 w historii 🤮🤮🤮 Takiej porażki się nie spodziewałem 🤯🤯🤯
A Vitara nie dość, że ładna i zgrabna to i posiada fajny napęd 4x4 na którym można polegać w każdej sytuacji 😍😍😍
Cała przyjemność po naszej stronie 🙂
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers dzięki za ten test. Teraz widzę, ze ten Yaris nie nadaje się nawet na dojazdy pod stok narciarski… Szkoda, bo to mogło być fajne połączenie oszczędności z 4x4 😢
@@witkowskimarcin4552 Chyba trochę za daleko poszli w kierunku oszczędności... Aczkolwiek przy jakiś tam podjazdach etc. zapewne sprawdzi się lepiej niż ośka. Pytanie, ile lepiej...
I would go as far and say that a Yaris AWD is a fake lable, at least in practice, when most needed!
Shame on Toyota! They know how to do AWD but they go the really cheapest and deceptive route on this one! (As well as with older RAV4 compared with its competitors at the time)
Latest years they still cut corners with their electronic stability control system, at least in Europe - it doesn't engage enough when driver make fast evasive maneuvers to avoid a pededtrian or a moose. Toyota have failed at this several times, shame on them!
The Yaris Cross Hybrid could be sharing the same programming from the AWD version of the Prius minus the terrain settings (TFL did a slip test like this and it failed). The rear electric motor doesn’t have enough power and the programming isn’t effective enough.
Great work! 💪 Are you planning to test Suzuki S-Cross 2022 4WD?
We don't yet but you can find the tests of previous S-Cross on our channel.
Wow, so dissapointed with awd-i system, I understand that main problem is a weak rear engine. Would be nice a comparison between Rav-4 or Across and any Haldex C-SUV to ensure that's just a problem of a weak rear engine. I also would appreciate to compare the Yaris Cross i-AWD with a Grip Control equiped C3 Aircross as both offers a kind of alterantive for the AWD cars.
The electric motors always have been a weak spot of the Toyota systems. They don't do anything in a no-grip situation. From my own experience the RAV4 electric rear motor does help in low grip situations.
@@meeder78 nice to know it (I was considering to buy a Suzuki Across), will be also interesting to compare awd-i vs the Dual engine from Volvo as it's a similar solution.
@@luigivm not really as in the Volvo the rear electric motor is the main motor used as a traction motor in EV mode so it is a lot more powerful. The Toyota systems use the electric motors in the transmission as the traction motor in EV mode.
in my opinion they just need better software torque vectoring
@@vthomas87 their software is indeed the weakest link in the chain.
Thanks for the test. Disappointing from the Yaris Cross. I'm intrigued if the Toyota / Lexus AWD system is trying to be too fancy for its own good. Any chance you can have the wheels on rollers be level with the rest of the car rather than taking the majority of the weight (or even have them lower)? I'd be intrigued to see if that has any impact on outcome.
Unfortunately I don't have a possibility to put all wheels on the same level. When wheel sits in roller it is about 2 cm over the ground. At the highest point (top of the cylinder) it is about 7 cm.
Thanks for the video.
My pleasure.
I notice a different operation in LOCK mode with ESP ON -OFF (wheelspin) and may be in SNOW compared to non hybrid allgrip versions. What kind of differences did you see?
Correct, it works different. There's more torque cut in Snow and Lock, there's less wheelspin to. ESP must be off to get more torque in LOCK, it's kind of the opposite then in non hybrid. I suspect that may be due to AGS limitations.
As a new S-Cross Hybrid, I feel reassured :). I had the GV2004 2.5l V6 but had to sell it due to tax straight to the Suzuki dealer! who is also a Suzi enthuziast.
But I just cannot comprehend how can Toyota can do so bad
Mild Hybrid or Strong Hybrid?
Strong, 140V. Fuel economy is quite bad so far in the city with this cold weather, but it's only 200km "old"@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@@OctavMandru Are you satisfied with AGS transmission?
Haven't properly tested, we bought it for my wife, I drive the company Duster. Different tires however it feels rock solid on slippery roads, compared to Duster. I am sure it's the tires fault i have on Duster (all season), Suzuki feels more stable and much more silent as bonus
To już nie chodzi o to że silniki elektryczne w Toyocie są zbyt słabe, system który ma zadanie zablokować koło które stoi na rolce poprostu nic nie wspomaga, co innego w Suzuki działa to genialnie nawet gdy trzy koła są na rolce bez problem moment jest przekazywany na jedno koło. Śmieli się z napędu x-drive że źle działa a prawda jest taka że jest to bardzo inteligentny napęd może nie tak trwały jak stare napędy quattro ale to zupełnie inna konstrukcja i nie ma się co dziwić.
thanks for you video, just one question: 1.5 hybride with 115 hs is too weak for overtaking on the highway?
These hybrids are not a good choice for highways. You can drive them there but overtaking will be a challenge.
It's okay, Gen 4 does pretty well although I do find the Yaris Cross a bit heavy for that drivetrain. It works great in the regular Yaris and I have no issues overtaking at German Autobahn although I do mostly stay below 130 km/h as I believe that's enough.
The toyota "awd-i" Doesn't seem to be awd. It's just a fwd + assistance from the rear. And the assistance didn't even help lol.
This is unfortunately no surprise for the Yaris Cross. Its Awd transmission is simply and vaguely a little assistance, but this was expected given the technical specifications.
Engine is 3.9kW and 52 Nm. It has 10.487 gearing so I expected a little better result...
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers It is true that the couple, taking into account the ration, is not so bad.
Then there is the electronic management of the electrical power.
One factor that is also quickly forgotten about HEVs, PHEVs and electric cars is the instantaneous discharge capacity, i.e. the actual power they are capable of delivering. And there can be surprises.
Toyota really needs to improve it's awd systems in the Rav4, Corola X and YarisX, it shocking
On today's episode of "Let's Laugh At Toyota"...
i love my suzuki vitara all grip 1.4 Boosterjet
😘😘😘
Yaris result is incredibly embarrassing.
It all depends from the point of the view. The Yaris system is designed to help the car to get moving on slippery road conditions and exactly that the system does, nothing more. And it is insenered/programmed to do nothing more.
If we look that way, then yaris did pass.
But if the car is sold and advertised to do a bit off road, then it of course, failed. But that is not the car's problem, it is the marketing department fault.
just my thoughts.
The problem is that AWD-i costs about 2000 Euro and the question is - what are you getting for that price. There's trail mode which suggests that you can go off road - but you can't. Help from the rear motor is very limited, even on one roller test car had to rely on traction control system.
@Ahto42 Just admitt its a crappy "AWD" even at 500 Euro.
@@andersriksson100 For 500€ every awd is better than 2wd 😀
@@Ahto42 Well the Yaris Cross doesn't have AWD as we now understand... Its so called "AWD" wouldn't help me when I need it and hence I would'nt buy it no matter the price of the "AWD" thanks to this video.
Amazing that so many posts defend the Yaris "AWD" when it in reality is a CRAPPY and in relation to performance a very, very expensive "AWD" 😮 Secretly disgruntled owners or Toyota employees? Yaris "AWD" is at best "2WD+1" and occasionally at that!
Kiedy test rav4 z awd-i ? Aż dziwne ze ten cros tak licho wypadł kosmos
Już był 🙂 ruclips.net/video/YvNaiXzdtnM/видео.html
Więcej tu: ruclips.net/video/vTPvjjRpxS8/видео.html
Seems like only trail mode in the Yaris is effective. If I owned one I’d just remember to use trail mode for challenging terrain.
If I owned one id be depressed after this !
@@oddities-whatnot Indeed! I'd be furious!
Is the Yaris on a slight incline? It appears a little tilted in the video
Nope, it was flat.
How nice would have be a Yaris cross with the drive train straight from Yaris GR four, even with less powerful engine, just the transmission, seriously it will be most capable small off-roader, it does have the rigid look but sadly doesn’t have the drive train to be. My suggestion to anyone looking for an awd better buy Suzuki or Dacia. 👌👍
Non hybrid version of Yaris Cross does have similar system to GR Yaris. But it is not available on every market.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers cool, we definitely haven’t got it here in uk and I am even unaware of it. Thanks for the information 👌🏁
@@toninocarsHere's another comparison with Suzuki, this time with Ignis: e.autokult.pl/suzuki-ignis-kontra-toyota-yaris-cross-dwa-maluchy-na-dzialeczke-grzybki-i-rybki-z-napedem-na-cztery-kola,6889766944246368a
La Corolla Cross adotterà lo stesso metodo di trazione integrale i-awd?
Yes but rear motor is more powerful.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers thanks!
Hello can i ask where you bought these rollers?
Hello, they were custom made.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks
Suzuki Vitara best
Did vitara failed on last test on auto mode? It starts with snow+esp off
Problem with vitara it is hard to find best mode for dfferent type of conditions, yet i thought auto always handles them.
We didn't try the last test in Auto & Sport mode. Due to high outside temperature we decided to shorten the test and start with Snow-ESP OFF. Standard Vitara (1.4) was tested in Auto mode, it passed but it took more time.
Toyota MGR life. Some of the new stuff actually works pretty well, but their weakest MGR is REALLY weak.
Still prefer the Yaris Cross for the superior fuel economy. AWD? DO you really need it?
Some people need AWD, some people don't. It depends where do you live and what climate you face, where do you drive/what roads you drive etc.
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I find it very useful in my Vitara on wet road when starting from traffic lights. In FWD cars I was frequently losing grip in such situations. Acceleration is very smooth. And lately in snowy mountains I had no problems with parking my car in a deep snow and partly icy.
@@HMRLXXVII And that's the point 👍
@NGNSource I belive that most who buy and pay extra for AWD want some AWD when needed, you might be an exeption...
I'm a Toyota Yaris cross awd owner and I have two things to say: 1. Vitara has definitely better awd system. 2.When I took it off road to some rather difficult conditions and loaded with weight it's performance was outstanding. I never felt like it has no power or it loses grip. It passed all the difficult parts of the road easily. A conventional car right after me was suffering.. It is extremely unlikely that I would need anything more than that, having also all the other beneifts (low consumption, better looks..)
Thank you for sharing your experiences. Is your Yaris Cross hybrid or petrol?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers The hybrid. The awd models are only hybrid.
@@sakbeine382 That depends on the market. On some there is AWD petrol version with classic awd system including driveshaft.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Really?? I didn't know that! But I haven't seen it anywhere in presentations or reviews..
@@sakbeine382 Yes, 1.5 CVT AWD. Chech the Japanese Toyota website. It doesn't have Trail Mode but it does have Rock&Dirt and Mud&Sand, like petrol Rav4.
I suspect, that Hybrid system is on RWD, like in Lexus, so cause of that this Yaris AWD doesn't work correctly. Can you find Yaris with normal AWD?
Only hybrid AWD is available here.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers so pity...
The rear wheels are driven only by a 5hp electric motor, on extreme conditions like on the rollers, the rear engine is not powerful enough to move the car.
@@dfogapfadfigah53695 hp, 52 Nm, via gearing there should be almost 550 Nm available for rear axle. But it's not available during start. Standard awd system in Yaris Cross is much more capable.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers horsepower is torque multiplied by rpms, and electric motors have the same torque from 0 rpm, so that means that at 5hp and 52nm, this electric motor spins at about 700rpm which is obvious as this awd system turns of at highway speeds as it can't keep up with the front engine. The problem is that because the 5hp Motor has a very narrow rev range (0-700rpm), the didn't gear it low enough for extreme scenarios like the roller test, so that it can help the car to be safer at higher speeds.
Really disappointed of the Yaris Cross. Thought it would be better...
The AWD is simply ridiculous
Yeah. They should no call it AWD at all ... I understand that this system can still work as a stability-program, but that is not what most would expect.
@@dcdc358 True
Why Yaris AWD failed on situation of only Rear wheels has grip? I saw many mode and even ESP turned off that doesn't help.
Too weak rear electric motor.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers You mean actually this Yaris is actualy PHEV?
HEV.
You used to tell me that EV is not suitable for offroad.
Suzuki do it"s BEST!
Vitara very good 👍
Older BJ1.4T mHEV or pure BJ 1.4T 103kW was even better. In slovak test robotized transmission almost failed in the light offroad conditions and burned the clutch :( Older model with Aisin AT was far better. I hope Sukuzi will return to Aisin.
Check ruclips.net/video/4RzAo80YpUw/видео.html
did the Yaris fail every test?
and the Suzuki pass every test?
Yaris passed a few, Vitara passed all.
Bu testteki vitara standart vitara'dan daha mı başarılıydı? Yoksa bir ben mi böyle düşünüyorum?
Result was the same.
I Think that i will not buy yaris cross awd because it isn't an real awd and than is very not usefull on snow.....thanks for the video.
AWD-i of Yaris Cross is just a helper. It will help on snow, it will help to keep you going but it won't help in some more serious situations.
One question: you left space in front of the Vitara, knowing it would jump off the rollers, but in front of the Yaris there is no space, and it is even a car parked? Why is that? If the Yaris had jumped off the rollers, it would have probably crushed the car parked in front of it. I have huge doubts!
There was more than enough space in front of Yaris, you can see no problems in the tests which it passed.
Edit: I just noticed - you probably mean the blue car on the right - it is not in the Yaris line.
Area around Vitara was simply empty, there was nothing to left or remove.
But Yaris did jump off the rollers so what is your question?
Toyota's AWD is false advertising, breach of the Trades description act..😂
Its barely able to do anything, although I suspect if driving already on a slippy winter road, the added power from the rear even though not much has been designed to assist in keeping momentum, an enhanced safety feature, nothing more.
Looks like there's no reason to spend extra for the Yaris Cross 1.5 Hybrid AWD-i. Does anyone know if this pathetic result will be the same for all the Toyota Hybrid AWDs?
Check other tests on my channel, there are Toyota and Lexus hybrids.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I'm a regular subscribed viewer of your channel, so I did search your channel for other recent Toyota tests before commenting, but the most recent was more than two years ago.
@@SirGregory That's right, recently we tested only hybrid Lexus, no Toyota.
Awkward, I can feel those nervous butterflies in my stomach, you can do it Toyota, you can do it!
Corolla cross test ?
Szukamy chętnego...
I love my 1.4 MILD HYBRID VITARA!
Я так понял для тайоты оффроад это максимум ямы в городском асфальте.
Both Toyota and Lexus have poor hybrid AWD for few years. Bigger problem is..., that they do nothing about it. Toyota is partial owner of Subaru, so maybe it's time to use their knowhow.
Toyota make Hilux, Landcruiser etc. Its not that they need Subaru's knowhow. Its that they cant make the Yaris crossover encroach on the capabilities of there more expensive product categories. They could of easily put in a more power electric rear motor and tuned the traction control logic more aggressively to match anything else out there if they wanted. Sad but true.
@@MrDingaling007 They use more powerful electric motors in other models but that doesn't change much, for example: ruclips.net/video/pB5k802VoUY/видео.html
It looks like the algorithm used in the Yaris still needs to be tuned.. Or otherwise a lock setting to engage all 4 wheels at once.
It's a mechanical limitation, not software.
I see. Is it possible to explain in simple terms?@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@@iangibson6015 Rear electric motor is simply too weak. It helps if car is already moving but it cannot push the car by itself.
That seems like a huge error by Toyota, especially if people were to naively expect they could depend on the 4x4 system. There is no excuse for such a mistake in my opinion. Thanks for explaining.@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@@iangibson6015 It should be officially called "mild awd" and the problem would be gone. Instead, it's the worst awd system on the market. We've been doing a few analyses of it, incl. problems on snow, you can find them on our Facebook page.
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Сравнение Suzuki Vitara с Toyota Yaris GR
Suzuki Vitara весит легче Toyota Yaris GR, есть версия 1.4 allgrip и механическая коробка передач, после прошивки ЭБУ + установки другой турбины + интеркулер можно получить 250лс 450Нм 1180Кг к тому же есть пружины с занижением клиренса eibach -25мм что может дать весьма интересный результат.
I remember when I was a baby my pram had better AWD that the Yaris Cross 🤣
Regarding the criticisms of the Toyota AWD system. Do you really believe that such a car is to be used and wasted off-road? Mine certainly not, for that there are other less refined cars. In my opinion, however, the AWD Toyota is a good thing.
It's not the point of offroad at all. But any country road with diagonal obstacles or the most common thing - snowy or icy roads where grip for each tyre is different - there the system behaves just like you see here.
I have heard several negative comments about this AWD-i system that are theoretically true. However, this is a simplistic assessment; I do not believe that in everyday uses this is a disadvantage.
Certainly the additional rear-wheel drive lends a hand in common situations such as uneven and snowy roads compared to not having it, but a car built like this and on normal roads that also has low fuel consumption I don't think it needs much more. It depends on the uses.
If I'm going to go off-road clearly it's not the right car, but even for the Vitara I wouldn't spend that kind of money if I'm going to use it off-road. Rather go with Suzuki Jimny or similar in those environments.
Months ago I had to choose between the Yaris Cross and the Vitara. Although 4x4 is important to me and the Vitara's is stronger, I still opted for the Toyota for other reasons (and I am in an often snowy and alpine environment, but on normal roads).
@@b_cattaneo As I stated in previous comment - offroad is not the case here, none of these cars is designed for that. But if you are driving up a serious snowy hill or trying to start up - there is no excuse if rear axle is doing nothing. It's just 5 hp which should be able to send over 500 Nm to rear axle - but it ain't doing it. And it has speed limitation. So the question is - is it worth the money. In Vitara there are no such limitations. Other aspects of both cars - that's a completely different matter.
Nobody buys these to go off road. 99% of them in the UK will be on PCP deals so the buyers wouldn’t risk taking it anywhere silly. This AWD system is marketed towards the trendy lifestyle crowd who believe all the hype and buy into anything these days.
Here's the video with Lexus UX 250h on snow (it has the same awd system as Yaris Cross). Rear axle is actually doing nothing: ruclips.net/video/wmuBBAeP2G8/видео.html
Toyota ask to Subaru how make the awd system
My 2015 Impreza hatchback would obliterate this in bad conditions.
It wouldn't have cost Toyota almost nothing to put a 30hp motor instead of 6hp.
But it seems this was just a marketing move, without any real world test.
I don't know if there is enough space for bigger motor...
Yes most likely marketing with no real value.
es I suggested earlier 😂 dumbest 4wd. look how Honda does for its hybrid 4wd cars
p.s. that vitara is very impressive
Watch this till it's available on YT. I bet Toyota will threat this guy to remove it from channel ;)
I suppose for many people it is easy to jump into conclusions when watching this video.
There is no doubt the Vitara proved here to be extremely capable and superior to yaris in regards to offroad driving.
However, reality is not so black and white.
There are two points that need to be understood:
1) main goal of every toyota hybrid is fuel efficiency, even if it is a four wheel drive hybrid. In this sense, yaris cross beats vitara by a significant margin, the difference is around 1,5L/100km. For this size of vehicle, yaris cross is the most fuel efficient 4wd on the market.
2) this test is synthetic. Zero grip conditions occur only in very extreme situations. It has been proven in many videos that in real life situations like icy/snowy roads or muddy trails, yaris is perfectly able to hold its own. It is indisputable that the awd-i offers significantly more traction and capability than the FWD variant.
I am not trying to defend the yaris really. It is purely a matter of preference.
For someone who goes offroad regularly, vitara is absolutely the better choice. For people who feel they need a little more confidence for winter conditions, for occasional trip to the ski resort, yaris will be the right car and the owner will benefit from the low running costs all year round. If this capability is worth the higher price is up to anyone's judgment.
Unfortunately that's not entirely correct. It's not about offroad. There are many examples where Yaris Cross Hybrid (and Lexus UX) fail on snowy roads/hills. Another thing is speed limit - AWD-i system is limited to ~40 km/h, above that it engages only if slippage is detected - up to 70 km/h. In Vitara there are no such limitations so dynamic operation of All Grip Select system is much wider. AWD-i system is rather a helper, it should be officially called "mild awd".
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Can you show me those examples where it failed? In the videos I have seen, it made it. Sometimes barely, but made it.
I am not trying to prove you wrong or saying that yaris can get up each and every hill. It surely cannot. But each car does have its limit eventually, awd or not.
In general, there is no definition that describes what an awd car should be capable of, what makes a "true awd".
I would say that at minimum, awd car should be more capable than an equivalent 2wd. That I believe is certainly true for yaris awd-i.
Again, this is about point of view. Toyota does not advertise yaris awd-i as an all round offroader. In the promo materials, the car is shown driving in the city, the rear motor helping in steep slippery hills (wet cobblestone) or being able to overcome a snow hump when leaving a parking spot. I see no false advertising there.
If you say the yaris is not good enough AWD car, in a similar way, I might say the vitara is not a good enough hybrid, since it is not able to achieve similar fuel efficiency that the yaris does.
This really reminds me discussions between people who only acknowledge full-time awd as the only true awd, saying part-time awd sucks.
In reality, MOST people, for MOST of the time, even on snowy roads, do not need awd. But there are SOME people that do go offroad nearly every day or live all the way up in the mountains, so they do need a very capable car to deal with that without stress. But these people also have to accept the inevitable fuel efficiency penalty and higher running costs of these cars.
My point is, every car has its intended purpose. One just has to acknowledge that not everybody has the same needs and every solution to a problem has its own pros and cons.
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@@RedXcz Here's probably the best example of inabilities of the system: ruclips.net/video/wmuBBAeP2G8/видео.html
No offroad, just easy snowy hill and rear axle o UX doing nothing. It doesn't matter if it goes to the top or not (2WD on winter tyres could probably make it), video shows what you can expect from the rear 5hp motor.
In my opinion - each axle should be able to move the car by itself. No traction at front - rear pulls you, no traction at the back - front pulls you.
This comparison is only about awd systems. Hybrid technology of Yaris Cross is way better than the one in Vitara, that's obvious. If you need effective awd system - Yaris Cross ain't a good choice. If you need good hybrid fuel efficiency - Vitara ain't a good choice.
When it comes advertising - in my country, Toyota was advertising Yaris Cross as the suv capable of going to places where no other suv can go...
And now the most ridiculous thing about the topic - non hybrid Yaris Cross AWD uses way better system than hybrid one. It has classic driveshaft and there are driving modes which really work. Just like in Vitara.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers that is indeed a pretty disappointing performance from the UX.
My references for yaris cross were these:
ruclips.net/video/cO9Dn-zlX9o/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/sqNZ3iWECck/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/zgqrqyETf_w/видео.html
In all these, the awd-i function proved very beneficial. I guess the yaris cross is lighter than the UX, so it is able to cope better.
Well, if the yaris cross awd-i was advertised as you say, that is indeed silly.
Nevertheless, I did some basic math to see what "thrust" this rear motor is able to produce in horizontal direction:
Motor torque: 52 Nm
Gear ratio to axle: 10,487
Wheel diameter: 0,67 m
Since M = F * r , we get F = M / r , that is F = 52 * 10,487 / 0,67 * 2 = 1628 Newtons of force
Well, I do not know how much a man can push. I spent some time googling and it seems that a regular human is able to push horizontaly with a force of 400 N. Supposedly a sumo warrior is able to push more than 4000 N, so there you go haha.
So let's say that this rear motor is equivalent to some 4 people pushing, which I believe checks out with our real life experience pretty well, since 1 man is able to push a car on good level surface, but uphill is a different story. Few times me and some of my friends needed to push a dead 4wd car on grass and it was nearly impossible haha.
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@@RedXcz The videos you linked actually confirms the same behaviour of the AWD-i system as on rollers. Overall it may look good but if you analyse it step by step - there are problems. Check the first video at 28:00, 34:10, 46:15 - these are situations just like from roller tests, rear axle doing nothing. Not the mention the need of uphill driving on reverse gear to get more load on front axle... Like FWD.
Second and third video - check how they start on snowy hill - there is always massive overspin of front wheels, which on more slippery surface means you are going nowhere. It shouldn't be like this in well tuned awd system.
Numbers look nice but the problem of rear motor is that it will do nothing until the car moves... I have no idea why is it programmed this way and to be honest - I cannot find that 545 Nm at back...
To sum up - it's all about the price of the system. Imho - it is too expensive for what it really offers. If I wanted to buy FWD version - Yaris Cross is the choice. If I wanted awd car - then definitely Vitara is the choice.
SUZUKI VITARA 👍💪
Yes, but not this model. Best is older BoosterJet 1.4T with Aisin AT.
This newest "strong hybrid" is piece of the crap, main reason is very bad robotized transmission with tendency to burn out clutch even in easy terrain. Second reason is weak naturaly aspired engine in combination with poor 0.8 kWh accumulator.
@@garminbreak moja 1.6 dizel je ipak najbolja opcija od svih i dalje. 1.4 turbo je znacajno brza doduse, ali ako ga gazis, trosi 10 litara, plus obrtni momenat itekako znaci za lagani off road
@@fraka899 Try to drive diesel only around town. You will destroy DPF very soon.
@@garminbreak you buy only what you need. If I'm driving only round town, diesel makes no sense
It Italy the “AWDi” system is a >2000€ option: that’s just unacceptable. They should have used the rear engine of the Corolla Cross AWDi, which is more powerful than this useless 6.2HP one.
Still doesn't do anything on a roller or a real life no-grip situation. It does help in low grip situations though. For the RAV4 it also increases the towing weight from 800kg to 1650kg.
This is Toyota's worst AWD performance since my 2016 Rav4 Hybrid. Utterly helpless.
I to jeszcze tyle chajsu trzeba dorzucić za ten pseudo 4x4 awd-i, tracąc do końca pojemność bagażnika w małym Yarisie. Żena totalna.
i like the vitara. Toyota is no wheel drive.
Napęd w toyocie jest tragiczny żyje własnym życiem.
Liebe Toyota, hinsetzen, 5! Morgen mit Eltern zur Schule + den ganzen Monat nachsitzen beim Herrn Audi!
This is actually quite embarrassing for Toyota..they need to go back to the drawing board. Well done Suzuki.
I would say. the test hasn't been conducted fair . with the big Suzuki sign. I won't believe that the Yaris would have been switched to the corresponding mode.
Of course the modes were switched. Suzuki dealer shared the car for the test and that's it. Here's the same test but only Toyota cars are involved: ruclips.net/video/ZnqGYbGA4gc/видео.html
Here's the video with Lexus UX 250h on snow (it has the same awd system as Yaris Cross). It behaves just like on rollers: ruclips.net/video/wmuBBAeP2G8/видео.html
toyota nie lubi tego filmu, pozew za 3,2,1 ... :)
So… Toyota..???? 😳
Toyota - total disaster. FWD Yaris Cross has price around 17000 EUR, AWD 24000 EUR. It is clear robbery that 7000 difference.
Are they sure that got the awd Yaris 😂??? Wtf!!!
Some say it's 2wd...
Yaris have not AWD, 1WD ^:))
A wheel drive lol
I think this test is not correct completly. If you want a correct test then you had provide same circumstances, in this case like the ground.
Same place, same chances.
Ground doesn't change a thing here.
Ground?
Suzuki Vitara Mild Hybrid All Grip 👍 Toyota Yaris cross 👎
This is not mild hybrid but full hybrid.
Scandal!
Dramat ta Toyota 😮
Yaris Cross is far more better than vitara
Not when it comes to awd system.
check, how SLOW wheels is spinning on yaris cross, and how FAST vitara wheels are rolling. Also driver from Vitara is rapidly accelerating meanwhile driver from toyota is not. For me comparision is made in differend circumstances, and is sponsored by suzuki.
Apparently you are not aware of one fact - during slippage the system takes control over the speed of wheels. You may press pedal to the metal and the wheels may barely spin. Systems control the throttle and brakes, they have different algorithms for each mode, additionally correlated with ESP status.
I just noticed your edit - video is not sponsored by Suzuki, our channel is not sponsored by any brand. Suzuki dealer shared the car for the test, just like Toyota dealer did in some other cases.
Did Suzuki sponsore this one? ruclips.net/video/ZnqGYbGA4gc/видео.htmlsi=Dme78lsaF1PeZCzd
Useless AWD system. Thats a joke. I would be getting a refund based on these results. Absolute shit. Better off spending less and get the front wheel drive version if you like the car, it still has traction control so with all season tyres it should be ok for general winter weather in the UK. My Impreza hatch would just laugh at this Toyota.
Fake supras, fake awd whats going on at Toyota ?
From the makers of prado/LC that is an extremely disappointing performance.
The Yaris looks like a fwd 😂😂😂 such a crappy AWD system
I found another test made in Japan propably. ruclips.net/video/dZXBYY655Cg/видео.html It looks like, when you push more torgue in trail mode, test on rollers gives better results
This is lateral test, result is the same as in our lateral test. Read here: facebook.com/StacjaKontroliTrakcji/posts/pfbid02asNJhJCjKZ4cCdDiNMe31jCyfkUE6UHGXS4tBJC1a6ges2BEchQZgTTNdG9m8i2hl
😂.creo que el yaris deve estar defectuoso😅😅
It's not.
TRAIL, my ass... 🤦♂
Have a look here, Yaris Cross Offroad Test ruclips.net/video/fPhLIxc9Ock/видео.html
That's not offroad test but a few simple obstacles, prepared for FWD Yaris presentation.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers May be. But it shows that it can work
@@ThomasStolz That's what any car with higher ground clearance can do. They didn't even needed AWD Yaris for that so there's no relation with our test.
Here's the video with Lexus UX 250h on snow (it has the same awd system as Yaris Cross). Rear axle is actually doing nothing: ruclips.net/video/wmuBBAeP2G8/видео.html
facepalm toyota
What a shame Toyota
Toyota has a worst and systems. And i m talking not about Yaris. Look at lexys rx,nx , zhey a have same troubles
Completely useless the 4x4 system of Toyota
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