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GnRs success is rooted in the dynamics of the chemistry between those 5 original players. It simply CANNOT be attributed to any one member. Axls vocals were the perfect delivery system for those songs, Slashs classic blues-based style was a perfect counterbalance to Izzys accent heavy playing, Duffs punk rooted bass playing was fierce and a perfect compliment to Stevens outstanding pocket drumming. TOGETHER, they formed the explosive freight train that was Guns N Roses. The minute one member changed, the band was NEVER the same. The classic lineup just cant be beat.
I maintain that “Appetite for Destruction” was one of the most important albums of the genre. It came out when I was a junior in high school. I was into Iron Maiden and Metallica at the time, and the stripped down bluesy sound of GnR did not interest me. But then the video for “Welcome to the Jungle“ came out, and I took another look. I got a hold of the album and started listening to it like crazy. I really liked the attitude that just came screaming out of the speakers. Their careers really took off when the video for “Sweet Child O’ Mine” came out, but I saw them at some point between the two videos. It was at a small venue at the local university, probably 300 people, and I was just a few few away from them. How cool is that? Then like a month later, the vid for “Sweet Child” came out and suddenly they were the biggest band in the world.
Appetite has geld up so well. I'm younger than you by ~10 years, and I like electronic music.... but Apetite rules. Every song is so listenable. I wonder if Adler, Duff, and Izzy don't get enough credit for their performances and writing, the album is just so cohesive.
@@wolfumz the same 5 wrote the Lies EP original music and the Illusions records. Matt played drums on the album but the writing was mainly Adler I think. Not a lot of info out there about that.
Very good description of the chemistry of GnR. My thoughts exactly since I was a teenager "back in day." I couldn't figure out what happened to this band until I grew up and realized how hard it is to get five people together from differing backgrounds with one goal.
Its a great record for any guitar player that wants to learn blues based rock n roll. Its easy to learn the chords and then you got the insane lead playing by Saul that you could spend a lifetime chasing. Slash is in no way under rated....he is a brilliant song writer with an instantly recognizable sound. I wore the Appetite tape out 2 times. Wore holes right through it...500 times each easy. A big thanks to Gnr and Slash specifically for inspiring me to get an electric guitar 26 years ago along with Metallica's Justice masterpiece. Life changing records.
I was 10 when AFD came out. I remember riding home on the bus from school and the local rock station kept talking about this new band. I had a walk-man that also had a radio dial on it (yeah, I'm getting old lol) Well they finally play Welcome to the Jungle and it took 30 seconds for me to realize, I was going to play guitar! I had know idea who the guitar player was, but I wanted to be him. Say what you will about Slash but he is the reason I play guitar and still my favorite guitar player to this day. He still inspires me all these years later!
That pickup sounds really good, I was at a beach party in the Hamtons on Long Island NY 1987 and someone put GnR on the PA System, They played the whole album, It blew us away, Like a breath of fresh air... We needed some real Rock music at the time, all the other bands had to much processing at the time, like the Whitesnake album that was out at the same time.. The sound of GnR blew that away...
@@CIRCLEOFTONE By 1990 I sold my hotrodded strat and bought a les paul, The Black Les Paul Standard I still have now, They were $950 Brand New Back then and $1150 for a sunburst... Really Good Hard Rock... It reminded me at the time of the early 70s Hard Rock... But recorded a lot better, I have other albums by GnR but That first hit of Hard Rock was the best with the first album
@@CIRCLEOFTONE No one wanted them at the time, everyone wanted to have a hotrodded strat, now you can get a hotrodded strat for a few hundred bucks, and a les paul for $3000-$10000, or more
I can't think of another album where the guitars sound so different to one another, Izzy and Slash sound like they are playing different songs a lot of the time
I can't thank you enough, waited so long for this. Many many thanks my friend Also, the Sweet Child o' Mine intro is IDENTICAL to the original, I had to double check the vid to be sure it really was you playing and not the original recording. Mind-blowing
Thanks man. Tape mellows his original tone but if I had Alnico II magnets and the same fretboard material I think I could get REALLY close. And wear a top hat.
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Hi! I´m a big Izzy fan for nearly 30 years now, and I'm 40. I got a guitar magazine from 88 where he says he recorded AFD with a Gibson Hollowbody with p90´s just like the one George Thorowgood has. And he's now got 2 of em. He also talks about his new thicker hollowbody wich is probably the white ES175. Its clearly eye catching when you read this interview that he doesnt know exactly how the models are called and is just not that much as we gearslut as we nowadays.... So I would guess he used a ES 125tdc or 225 tdc. In the last years he used a ES 135 a lot wich is a very similar guitar but with a center block. And I´m almost sure he used a Mesa Boogie on AFD. He mentions that in the interview too. Great explanation on the Izzy - Slash guitar chemistry by the way 👍 I totally agree with that. And the why Slash did not sold his Derring Les Paul even makes kinda sense to me 😂. Never seen that this way.... but he also was a singed act now he more pressure and really needed a good guitar... To me all 5 made AFD. Just an all-time perfect chemistry. Greetings from Bavaria/Germany
Personally, I don’t love Slash’s tone on AFD. But, they didn’t sell millions of records because people loved the lead guitar tone. It was a perfect storm of songwriting, musical style, each member, their personalities, and the musical climate of the time
My "introduction to Gn'R" story is similar to my "introduction to Iron Maiden" story. I was introduced to both bands in high school by a friend of a friend, fell head over heels for them and we snuck out of school with his brother to pick up CDs of their's; in my case, _The Essential Iron Maiden_ and then _Appetite for Destruction._ Both times, we snuck out during lunch, met his brother (a high school junior; we were both freshmen) in the student parking lot and he drove us to the Willowbrook mall in Wayne, New Jersey in his Dodge Challenger RT. We then bought our CDs from the now-closed FYE in the mall (it's now a PacSun; shame really.) I also bought my first Iron Maiden t-shirt during _"Operation: Maiden"_ _("Operation: _Appetite"_ was what we called the trip for Gn'R.) Then both times we had lunch at the food court and returned to school without getting caught. It all took maybe 45 minutes both times and I'll remember those days until my last breath.
89/90 I remember when g n r coming out I was beyond sick of hair metal so I disregarded them then I saw the metallica stadium tour in 92 g n r kicked royal ass !!!!!
Steven Adler from that era is one of my favorite drummers. Real shame how that band absolutely DETERIORATED. Steven had FEEL! Matt Sorum may be more solid be he lacks serious FEEL. I saw GnR open for Aerosmith back in 1989. GnR sounded like crap but they still rocked harder than Aerosmith and put on a better show. Well ... Aerosmith was amazing! 😂 My favorite show in that vein however was CINDERELLA! OMG they were stunningly good. Artemis Pyle even sat in with 'em!
Yes, Adler had a groove/swing to his playing. Matt is a time keeper. It sucked when he split they never had the same feel....Izzy said in an interview thats why he split
I've been saying that about Cinderella for a long time. It's funny that when everybody mentions great bands from the 80s they faile to mention possibly the best live act there was back then. I saw Cinderella blow Bon Jovi and Ratt off the stage as a warm-up act twice. Now Ratt and Bon Jovi both kicked ass but Cinderella really threw it down and the crowd responded. But now all everybody seems to remember is Motley Crue and poison LOL Not that they're bad but Cinderella was a force. Funny how things are looked at now vs reality in 1986. And yea, I saw Poison also at the Monsters Of Rock in like 1989 and they were good, but simply not as good as Cinderella. Truth.
You’re right about Axl. Hell there’s a video of them early at a shitty outdoor show where idiots are throwing water and beer onstage and could this electrocute the band. Axl ended that as he says he’s not on heroin at the time. It’s a shame they imploded. Although they sounded good if not the best rock musicians I’ve heard (even over Aerosmith) but it lacked blues Rythym from lack of Izzy and Adler.
I heard an interview with slash and from what I remember was that his tech brought the stolen amp to the rental place by accident to get serviced and they realized it was the stolen head and of course kept it.
GnR were the band that really hit me and brought me to the dark side, aka heavier music. I was 12 when AFD came out and it was like a kick in the teeth, but in a good way. Besides Pantera, they may have been the last true rock n roll band. Speaking of, there's a rumor floating around that the guys from Pantera did a full cover of Appetite. I can only say let this be true, and lets put this thing out there for the public
damn tone sounds just as good possibly better than the original, your really educating me on the magic or secret sauce that every legendary music act has, there's no stories like this anymore and you've woken me up to why the discography of rock and metal in the modern era has a overly similar sound cause bands aren't tone hunting in every nook and cranny like they use to, thanks
People have slagged off Axl for too long! The dude can fart out songs better than many people's best. Also, thanks for the flipped neck pickup thing! I've been wanting that sharper, cleaner attack that I love about strats' in-between tones. A few of my guitars have always been too dark. Gonna have to change them now.
I think that the neck pickup is supposed to be "flipped" as you put it. Every guitar I own with HH configuration or HSH, has the adjustable poles flipped to the neck side. Love your videos. Thank you Owen.
Delighted you like my vids. Yeah I got a bit confused about his neck pickup and pole pieces etc. Mine is reversed and it's probably why mine is a bit brighter (apart from the fretboard material and me using a different magnet).
Yeah the adjustable pole pieces are almost always on the "neck side" of the neck pickup. Because that's right where the 24th fret (2nd octave) would be; you get a nice full warm sound right there. Go play a natural harmonic right above the neck pup's adj. poles on any 22-fret guitar, it should ring out perfectly just as it does above the 12th or 5th fret if your pickup is placed correctly and the guitar is intonated well. It's why you rarely see LP-type guitars with 24-fret necks (partly), and why 24-fret Strats often sound like muddy dogshit on the neck pickup and you just can't get that same tone you would from a 22-fret with the same pup in the right spot... because with 24 frets you have to push the neck pickup towards the bridge to a sort of "dead spot" along the string. It just doesn't sound right. Check it out once with the same pickup in the two different positions, you might be surprised how much difference moving it an inch or two makes. Sorry Owen, you definitely did not invent that alignment; it's been standard procedure for nearly as long as pickups have existed.
Great vid as usual but when are you gonna do Ride the Lightning? Maybe my all time favorite tone is on that album. I’ve heard they used a modded JMP, most likely a 2203, pushed with a Ibanez Tube Screamer (not sure which one). Keep up the vids and happy holidays!
I was around 9 when i went to my grandmas house and my uncle was watching tokyo,. I saw slash doing ng the godfather theme and i was just left in an absolute awe,. Been a gunner ever since,. Im 36 now 😎 ive seen gnr 2 times and slash 3 times 🤠 wish to own a slash les paul one day
You were right to use the word 'tasteful' - for Izzy's stuff; when you hear the album without Slash every dynamic Keith Richard's 'bang' on the guitar is in just the right place/just the right time...
There's this gig at the Ritz in october 1987, not the 1988 gig ruclips.net/video/8tBlZO8Aikk/видео.html So, it's from after GFD was recorded. And Axl introduces the band at minute 38:00, and introduces Izzy saying, if my memory isn't wrong, "on his new Chet Atkins guitar...". It was the white ES-175. So it wasn't used on that record.
Everything about that album helped make me the musician I am today. I basically learned how to write bass lines because of Duff's playing. Such a great player. And those songs are absolutely timeless.
Apart from the copyright issue, part of the reason I didn't recreate the whole band was because recreating Duff was so daunting. He is an amazing player/writer and his tone was great.
CIRCLE OF TONE. Seriously. Duff was the blueprint for everything I loved about bass. His playing. His tone. The look. Goddamn Rock and Roll. All of it. 😂
I wish I could show you the sound I got. Thank you for this! I had my Marshall 80W Valvestate, Gibson Les Paul Custom EMG 81/bridge, ZW Crybaby (switched on), gain at 10 O' Clock, boosted with an overdrive then reverb at 2 O' Clock
Holy fuckin’ shit that’s it! And without going thru their board as well! I fell in love with this band, this album, this Tone when I was 10 years old back in 88’. Appetite & And Justice For All are my desert island albums. But damn dude you nailed it, you brought tears to my eyes. Great F’n’ job!
Great stuff as always. The Amp that was recovered by SIR was recovered when the band were rehearsing, according to Slash in his autobiography. Also, Frank Levi is on facebook. I´m in a group called "Slash´s guitar collectors" and he has posted there a few times. According to him, the AFD100 is based on the #36 (AFD) & #34 (Illusions) which he modded, but unfortunately, Mr. Levi wasn´t involved in the design of the AFD100 (much to his chagrin apparently), so according to him, it´s not an exact replica, and it also apparently does not sound the same as the original either. Although #39 & #36 will probably never be recovered, Slash is still in possession of the #34, which is a modded JCM800 apparently. Ps, I wrote this comment 14:14 into the video, haven´t watched it through yet.
Lol I’m binge watching your vids but question. If flipping the pickup reduces flub and makes it tighter, can you take a lower output pup with good definition and make it as tight as an EMG/Fishman? I’m looking for a way to get a tighter sound without using an OD. I’m about to purchase a Friedman PT-20 to use for metal considering not many people seem to use modded Plexi based amps for modern stuff these days. I’ve figured cranking the master would allow me to cut some low end thanks to the power tubes working. Also figure in order to push the amp I’m probably gonna need something like a Fishman. The clarity and response on those things are amazing. Keep up the good work man!
Personally I am not a fan of Fishman or active pickups in general. Only flipping the neck makes it slightly tighter. Flipping the bridge will make it a tiny bit warmer but only a little. So if you want tight my regular pickup in the bridge is super tight/focused.
Yep. People complain about the signature Slash pickup prices but Seymore Duncan DESERVES the rewards. Plus people forget Slash gets a cut. It's not about the price of the plastic etc. It's about the R&D. And if your link in the chain helped make millions happy you deserve the $$$.
I have the alnico pro 2 slash pickups in the slash epi firebird. I did make them 4 conductor and wired them into a Jimmy Page harness. Hehehe most people would scoff at that but tone is in the beholder. The tones rock. I'm not into slash much more than he is a tone hound like I am.
I loves me a mystery, and am enjoying your videos more than I thought I would. I love how you scope everything out. Fun video! I like how your passion and respect for the gear comes through.
I'd say that Slash's style of tone could just be a Les Paul with any medium output humbucker with a bunch of highs plugged into any Marshall with moderate to semi high gain. The tone was always fascinating to me. It's bright and spanky but with a very wide clanky pick attack, sounds almost like a sledgehammer. Even when you take the bass and drums out it sounds absolutely gargantuan. It's got girth, I mean just a really thick sound but it's not a bulldozer that it doesn't trample all over the mix. Again, more akin to a sledgehammer which is not too little but not too much, just right. You were spot on tho👌
@@CIRCLEOFTONE The thinner bottom strings are probably another factor in that as well. When I switched over from 10-52 to 11-48 I did notice a substantial increase in clarity. And he does ride the tone knob a lot too which really changes up the sound quite a bit. Fuck me, Joe Bonamassa was right :D
I've sat through dozens of "Capture Slash's Tone" click-bait videos on RUclips, but my man... you f*****g NAILED IT!!! When you first started playing the SCo'M riff, I thought you were pulling a fast one by miming the notes over the original recording. It wasn't until you flubbed a couple of the notes where I realized you were being serious! Excellent excellent video! Do you by any chance know where I can buy a modded Marshall like yours? I've seen those AFD100's, and while I'm sure they sound cool and all, I just hate anything that has someone's signature or logo on it... especially the 1980's strip club logos and fonts that Slash seems to be associated with.
Yes, AFD's do sound amazing. I use one regularly, but for my style, it's a selective tone I use on certain tracks - has a lot of that half-cocked clarity, which can be a bit violent on some tracks. To me, it plays like and sounds like a guitar with a fairly aggressive slow attack-fast release compressor on it. Great for any track you want to sound a little out of control, or where you want to really feel the pick attack.
Yeah i can say that we was very fortunate to live in the days of bands that changed the music. My friend Corey was a drummer & he had just bought Appetite on vinyl.Because it's a lot easier to stop & lift up the arm of a record player ,than it is to stop , fast forward & re-wind a cassette tape.LOL I was kinda like you. Into Thrash bands, but yeah..this album was a game changer for me.I'm still a Big G&R fan to this day...Godspeed my friend & Great take.
I don‘t get it. What is considered a flipped Pickup? To me bridge pu screws towards bridge and neck pu screws towards neck is „normal“. All I see is guitars with the Pickups installed that way so what is flipped?
Yep well spotted. I got that wrong during my description. Basically my neck pickup has the pu screws facing the bridge instead of the neck. That's what I was trying to explain. I have regular ones too.
So many of my friends loved this band. Got to tell you I was outside the Bay Area and I was a thrash kid. We absolutely hated Pistols and daisies by the time high school came around. But no argument that they fooled a lot of people and sold a lot of albums. And deep down all of us hard core thrashers all secretly liked sweet child o mine accept the part where Axel rose is making Whoopi dancing with the mc in the video LMAO.
At the time Appetite came out, I'll have to admit that I really hated Slash's midrangy snarl. It always sounded like a half cocked wah-wah pedal to me -- from the snarl in the tone, it sure sounded like one was being used. There's just a certain tonality a wah being used as an extra tone control gives to the sound of a guitar. I hadn't read that Slash used one. Now I know better. :-) Also, even though at the time Appetite came out I wasn't a fan of the tone (I was more of an Angus and Malcolm tone kinda guy) I could tell why Slash's tone worked so well, and why it was so effective on the record -- it was the perfect complement to Axl's midrangy snarl of a voice. Both were very 'in your face' tones, which really fit the band's presentation well. I had read that the amp Slash used was modified, but he apparently dimed all controls.... But the use of the cocked wah obviously was a key component.
I was 9 years old when this album came out and I knew it was an amazing album when I first heard it. I've been lucky to have been musically conscious when a few albums that are considered classics came out. Master Of Puppets, Appetite For Destruction, Nevermind, and OK Computer come to mind. I also remember getting GNR Lies and looking at the boobs on that artwork. GNR were the real bad boys of rock and I knew it even then.
Man you nailed that tone! Once again, another great vid. I've been making sure to click that like button on every bit of content I enjoy now because I was totally guilty of just consuming and moving on. Now I need you to do a vid on Def Leppard's guitar tone from High & Dry - specifically the lead tone from Another Hit And Run. Cheers!
Awesome. That REALLY helps. Def Leppard have killer tone. They almost had nervous breakdowns from how hard Mutt Lang drove them in the studio. Would make a great episode.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Yeah Mutt was definitely their sixth member. He tried to kill Joe in the studio from what I've read. High & Dry was the album that made me wanna play guitar when I was 12, and Blizzard Of Ozz was the album that made me wanna get really good at it once I had started playing by age 16. Pyromania had some awesome guitar tones as well. Always loved that palm-muted break riff on Die Hard The Hunter and Phil and Steve's lead tones on all the solos were badass, too. Think I read somewhere that Phil used a strat through a Marshall combo amp for a lot of it, and only used his Ibanez Destroyer for a few tracks. Either way, present day I'm longing for that classic rock/metal tone like on High & Dry.
Frank Zappa also made good use of a VOX wah pedal! In that middle position live on a stage- and an SG in hand... one of the best - Iv'e ever seen! Still one of the BEST guitar TONES around ;) Anything on Frank... would be much appreciated! take care
Upon rewatching this I do remember seeing some tour footage that shows Slash using JCM 800's at some point. I know he switched to Silver Jubilee's at some point later in the tour. Funny enough I was doing some research on my Epiphone Les Paul, turns out it's one of the older south korea made ones from 2002 and not one of the newer made in china ones (which have terrible necks and sometimes sound like shit), turns out they have Alnico Pro's in them, so I have practically the same pickup. Major difference is that my pickups are covered and I don't think his are, and plus they aren't really vintage although they are about 18 years old. Apperently Slash also had a Kramer or a Jackson superstrat around this same time, but I don't think it was ever used on a recording. If you listen to the isolated guitar tracks a ton of what you're hearing is Izzy, and I believe he used a Mesa Boogie on the actual record. If you look at the footage of them at the Ritz from 1988 you can see that both Izzy and Slash were using JCM 800's. Not sure how many were modded, and I'm not sure that was the case for the whole tour.
That was interesting to see you use all downstrokes on the intro of sweet child of mine. I've always just done alternate picking without thinking about it. So after seeing you play it, I found footage of Slash and was surprised to see he uses a lot more upstrokes than I would have thought. Not good or bad, but it's something I never would have discovered without watching this. Cheers
Not sure where I saw this at, but I do very vividly remember Izzy saying in an interview he used that ice white ES-175 on every song on Appetite. He also used a Chet Atkins guitar a lot during the AFD Tour, and he can be seen playing it at their first concert at the Ritz in Oct '87, then at the '88 Ritz gig he played the ice white ES-175 on every song they played that gig. He also very famously played the Les Paul Custom during the early days of Guns and during the AFD Tour as well. Izzy's tone is very unique and is very hard to decipher what he actually used on Appetite.
No. A lot of SM57 are old and not listed as vintage. If I were you look for obvious aging and signs of use on $60 used ones. Buy multiple ones at that price then shoot them out. Listen close as they will have subtle differences. Then keep the best one. That's what I did.
Spot on! That Steven Adler "bounce" is what's been missing from G'n'R ever since he got fucked on drugs and was kicked out. They just don't sound the same without him.
It drives me nuts when people like Bonamassa use "great" drummers. It's like a drum machine. The best drummers have character over being a human metronome/solid/vanilla.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Thanks to you man. This channel is awesome, your work here is priceless. If you had more Bass tone videos this channel would be just PERFECT. But i know that's very difficult and in my experience bass tones are more gig than guitar tones, and in my opinion is the reason why play bass i so hard, im a guitar and bass player, but GOD, sounding like you want to sound in bass is so fucking hard if you dont have money!!
maybe I'm missing something but the neck pickup in the original Slash guitar isn't installed backwards. The screw poles protrude through the cover and every guitar I own with humbuckers has them installed closest to the neck from the factory. The picture you have at the 9:24 time stamp showing Marsdens Les Paul is the correct orientation. Google a pic of Peter Greens Les Paul ( also belonged to Gary Moore). You'll see the backwards neck pickup.
Finally! What a shame you couldn't do a full mix, but that neck pickup sound is so spot on. I never thought of using a cocked wah to get that sound. Brilliant! I've tried flipping the neck pickup before but I can't decide which I like more. Great Video!
Thanks man. I think mine is a bit brighter due to my pickups, fretboard etc being different and the effect of him recording to tape etc but I'm really happy with the voicing.
Hahahahaha that wasn't Lynch!!!! That guy looked a little "too shy shy hush hush I U Y".....great video as usual!!! The stories from GnR's early day's never cease to entertain.
Saw 'em live in '88 (Donnington), '92 (in Turin of all places) & again at the Olympic Stadium last year. Axl back in the day was the best front man I've ever seen (& I've seen just about every decent band you can think of) but I've gotta admit, I'm just a wee bit of a sad Slash fanboy lol. I've got his '10 AFD & '08 Goldie sig LP's (only I prefer to use an old Orange head, through a couple of vintage cabs with greenbacks in 'em). I totally agree about Steven too. He was an integral part of the AFD sound & nothing Matt Sorum ever played on sounded anything like as good. Cool video man.
How does a flipped pickup compares to one in a usual orientation? Interesting as ive seen alot of my favourite guitar players do this yet I haven't tried this myself.
It's a horses for courses thing. I've found that it makes a neck pickup more usable for everyday stuff as there is a little more quack and slightly more defenition of notes. If people don't like the effect, you can flip it back for regular neck creamy stuff. I'm not saying it's better this way, just for my personal use it is more useful.
I'm pretty sure flipping the pickup just lowers the position of the pole pieces towards the bridge but I think it also ads a bit of quack so perhaps the physical position also causes subtle changes in voicing. So when the pole pieces get slightly closer to the bridge it gets brighter. That's why I would never flip a bridge pickup because it's already bright. Middle position is OK and not that different, just a little less muddy. If you don't like it, you can just install the pickup flipped for a trad setup.
You have to flip the orientation of the magnet in regards to the coil winds, so spinning the pickup alone won't give you that out of phase Peter Green sound.
He used a Les Paul COPY to record Appetite for Destruction? LOL! How ironic that Gibson's 'Ambassador' didn't even use a Gibson to record nearly ALL of the album (apart from the one song)! LOL! Guitar Snobs/Brand Snobs are always so quick to dump on anyone who uses copies or less expensive guitars, etc. Look at how many people use copies! Even Gibson's chosen 'Ambassador'!!
Holy SHIT! Is their a increase in DUMBASSES happening lately or something?! Here, YOU READ (if you can manage it): www.slashsworld.com/equipment/guitars/59-les-paul-replica-built-by-kris-derrig/ My point was about people getting all pissy and snobby about BRAND FUCKING NAMES! It was a REPLICA - a COPY. It was NOT a Gibson. NOWHERE did I say it was a CHINA FAKE! Please, Mr Fucking GENIUS, point out where I said it was a China-made fake. You CAN'T because I NEVER said that. Holy shit, if attitude and hubris were brains, you'd be genius level!
As far as the bit about the SG through the van window goes, Slash never put the guitar through the vans window. There's an early photoshoot of him holding his Derrig LP standing next to the van with the SG through the window. But Slash said that the hole in the window was already there as he used to use the vans they rented as battering rams. So when they did that photoshoot, he just put the SG in the hole that was already there to give the illusion that he smashed the window with it. He explained it in his book if memory serves me correctly. 🤔
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Yeah it's pretty cool, although it's fucked up I remember all this shit! Haha! Sadly this is what happens when you love Slash to an unhealthy degree! 🤣
Great work man, Thanks for this. I'm not so obsessive that I would do all your research, I am Just obsessive enough to be thoroughly entertained by this vid.
For the love of god please do a video on Gary Moore's 1986-1987 tour during the Wild Frontier album, he used a 1970's Super Bass with an EMG but I want to see if someone can replicate the tone he had on his Wild Frontier tour...
Damn! EMG were around in the 70's? I forget how old they are. I have a Superlead and an EMG LP style guitar so I could give it a crack. Do you have any other details?
@@CIRCLEOFTONE If you're gonna do Gary Moore please include this tone! open.spotify.com/track/0vST74f7JN2uUMSsVcFFZw (Speak for yourself, from After the war) such an awesome tone. But great video :)
@@CIRCLEOFTONE No he used the EMG's in the 80's not the 70's =). He used two Charvel guitars (Which were mixed parts) on the Wild Frontier tour, a white & red one. The red one had the EMG 58 not the 85, and the white one had an 81. If you go to this link you can find info on the guitars and amps he used during the mid 80's. www.groundguitar.com/gary-moore-gear/ & this link is the tone I was talking about ruclips.net/video/xsMKdlB3lbI/видео.html
the appetite album was mostly izzy songs i think. also the guitar work on that album is perfect. they both complimented each other so well in the parts and tone, everything.
Hmm didn’t they have a Tremolo circuit in the old Bluesbreakers JTMS like the one Clapton used and was it Uli Jon Roth that played the Super Trems back in the 70s
I was thinking your crazy as thinking axl was the one getting people to focus but then I thought about it and remembered someone saying (possibly Slash) saying they never spent more than a day on a song except for Axl, and also Axl wrote november rain and all the complex songs.
Axl programmed all the strings and stuff on November Rain also. I think it was the first time that it had been done and he spent months in the studio putting it together
Would flipping the neck pickup of an active produce a similar result? If anyone knows feel free to clue me in, I could just do it but my strings will break if I slack them to do it and don't feel like changing them just yet
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Well next time I change strings I'll give it a try and report the results. Are you still planning on doing an episode on Master Of Puppets? Watched the Kill Em All and Ride The Lightning ones last night and would really love to see the same effort put into that album, a Rust In Peace episode would be pretty sweet too!
Damn Owen, that was outstanding. The detail-oriented obsessive compulsive in me loves it when you go balls deep like this. Not too mention the tones are on point & in a mix probably couldn’t be told apart. You definitely sold some pickups on this one.
I've forgotten how "creamy" his tone was, my aural memory always associated Slash with a very bright, halfway-to-Queen guitar tone. But it's really rather bluesy and mellow (and RAWK)
I was 14/15 when it came out. Back then, Appetite, Sonic Temple, and Nothing’s Shocking were all awesome late 80s albums. I hated hair metal, and those albums were great.
Those albums were rock swagger incarnate. When you look at The Cult videos etc, that is a rock star. Now guitar heroes are middle aged boner killer RUclipsrs polishing pedalboards. Sigh. We need rock stars to get kids picking up the guitar again.
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GnRs success is rooted in the dynamics of the chemistry between those 5 original players. It simply CANNOT be attributed to any one member. Axls vocals were the perfect delivery system for those songs, Slashs classic blues-based style was a perfect counterbalance to Izzys accent heavy playing, Duffs punk rooted bass playing was fierce and a perfect compliment to Stevens outstanding pocket drumming. TOGETHER, they formed the explosive freight train that was Guns N Roses. The minute one member changed, the band was NEVER the same. The classic lineup just cant be beat.
No Jones no stones no Izzy no guns
@hans meier Wrong, and wrong.
Bollox.
I always thought of Izzy as the Keith Richards of guns n roses. With Slash being the mick Taylor.
I see it this way. If Axl wasn’t singing AFD nor GnR would exist and argue if u like
I maintain that “Appetite for Destruction” was one of the most important albums of the genre. It came out when I was a junior in high school. I was into Iron Maiden and Metallica at the time, and the stripped down bluesy sound of GnR did not interest me. But then the video for “Welcome to the Jungle“ came out, and I took another look. I got a hold of the album and started listening to it like crazy. I really liked the attitude that just came screaming out of the speakers. Their careers really took off when the video for “Sweet Child O’ Mine” came out, but I saw them at some point between the two videos. It was at a small venue at the local university, probably 300 people, and I was just a few few away from them. How cool is that? Then like a month later, the vid for “Sweet Child” came out and suddenly they were the biggest band in the world.
That's awesome man. You got them at their best.
Appetite has geld up so well. I'm younger than you by ~10 years, and I like electronic music.... but Apetite rules. Every song is so listenable. I wonder if Adler, Duff, and Izzy don't get enough credit for their performances and writing, the album is just so cohesive.
@@wolfumz the same 5 wrote the Lies EP original music and the Illusions records. Matt played drums on the album but the writing was mainly Adler I think. Not a lot of info out there about that.
You nailed the Slash tone! Great playin' and cheers!
That Chappers edit took a 10 video to 11.
Haha
@@CIRCLEOFTONE you nailed the voice >___
Where is it?
11..... because it goes to 11.... priceless
The picture of Limahl from Kajagoogoo as George Lynch. HAHAHAHAHA!
Hehe. Check this one out dougfcknsteele.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/gl6.jpg
@@CIRCLEOFTONE I know, right? Interchangeable.
"Limahl: THE OBSESSION"
Neverending Lynch lol
George Lynch still gets no RESPECT LMAO
Very good description of the chemistry of GnR. My thoughts exactly since I was a teenager "back in day." I couldn't figure out what happened to this band until I grew up and realized how hard it is to get five people together from differing backgrounds with one goal.
Thanks. Yep it's disfunction was a part of the package because fans love a band riding by the seat of its pants.
It’s insane how far one band went on the power of one album.
Yep. They never captured that energy after that.
Illusions and Lies had loads of great music on them, they didn't have the flow of AFD though
Adf is a masterpiece. One of the best albums of all time. Just magic
Its a great record for any guitar player that wants to learn blues based rock n roll. Its easy to learn the chords and then you got the insane lead playing by Saul that you could spend a lifetime chasing. Slash is in no way under rated....he is a brilliant song writer with an instantly recognizable sound. I wore the Appetite tape out 2 times. Wore holes right through it...500 times each easy. A big thanks to Gnr and Slash specifically for inspiring me to get an electric guitar 26 years ago along with Metallica's Justice masterpiece. Life changing records.
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#36 is most legendary amp human could ever created 🔥
I was 10 when AFD came out. I remember riding home on the bus from school and the local rock station kept talking about this new band. I had a walk-man that also had a radio dial on it (yeah, I'm getting old lol) Well they finally play Welcome to the Jungle and it took 30 seconds for me to realize, I was going to play guitar! I had know idea who the guitar player was, but I wanted to be him. Say what you will about Slash but he is the reason I play guitar and still my favorite guitar player to this day. He still inspires me all these years later!
Hell yeah. That's what it's all about.
That pickup sounds really good, I was at a beach party in the Hamtons on Long Island NY 1987 and someone put GnR on the PA System, They played the whole album, It blew us away, Like a breath of fresh air... We needed some real Rock music at the time, all the other bands had to much processing at the time, like the Whitesnake album that was out at the same time.. The sound of GnR blew that away...
Thanks Steve. That's a perfect way to be introduced to GnR. That was a hell of a time eh?
@@CIRCLEOFTONE By 1990 I sold my hotrodded strat and bought a les paul, The Black Les Paul Standard I still have now, They were $950 Brand New Back then and $1150 for a sunburst... Really Good Hard Rock... It reminded me at the time of the early 70s Hard Rock... But recorded a lot better, I have other albums by GnR but That first hit of Hard Rock was the best with the first album
@@SteveMurrayMusic imagine if we knew in the 80's about the 59 Les Paul etc prices?
@@CIRCLEOFTONE No one wanted them at the time, everyone wanted to have a hotrodded strat, now you can get a hotrodded strat for a few hundred bucks, and a les paul for $3000-$10000, or more
Or the Hamptons as it's more commonly known .
18:28 you summed it up bud
I can't think of another album where the guitars sound so different to one another, Izzy and Slash sound like they are playing different songs a lot of the time
@Denny Dova Malcom and Angus.... Just addin' to the list. :-)
I can't thank you enough, waited so long for this. Many many thanks my friend
Also, the Sweet Child o' Mine intro is IDENTICAL to the original, I had to double check the vid to be sure it really was you playing and not the original recording. Mind-blowing
Awesome. Glad you are tuning in.
Thanks man. Tape mellows his original tone but if I had Alnico II magnets and the same fretboard material I think I could get REALLY close. And wear a top hat.
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Ok, wait a minute. Identical? Don’t wanna be that guy but there is a note in there that shouldn’t be there...
Hi! I´m a big Izzy fan for nearly 30 years now, and I'm 40. I got a guitar magazine from 88 where he says he recorded AFD with a Gibson Hollowbody with p90´s just like the one George Thorowgood has. And he's now got 2 of em. He also talks about his new thicker hollowbody wich is probably the white ES175.
Its clearly eye catching when you read this interview that he doesnt know exactly how the models are called and is just not that much as we gearslut as we nowadays....
So I would guess he used a ES 125tdc or 225 tdc. In the last years he used a ES 135 a lot wich is a very similar guitar but with a center block.
And I´m almost sure he used a Mesa Boogie on AFD. He mentions that in the interview too.
Great explanation on the Izzy - Slash guitar chemistry by the way 👍
I totally agree with that.
And the why Slash did not sold his Derring Les Paul even makes kinda sense to me 😂. Never seen that this way.... but he also was a singed act now he more pressure and really needed a good guitar...
To me all 5 made AFD. Just an all-time perfect chemistry.
Greetings from Bavaria/Germany
Yep it was confusing with all of the Gibson model names vs what he was actually using etc. Thanks for the info.
Personally, I don’t love Slash’s tone on AFD. But, they didn’t sell millions of records because people loved the lead guitar tone. It was a perfect storm of songwriting, musical style, each member, their personalities, and the musical climate of the time
I think you absolutely nailed that tone.
I always thought it sounded like it was going through a wah.
I can now sleep at night.
Hehe. Sleep tight.
Butchered Sweet child o'mine intro tho.
My "introduction to Gn'R" story is similar to my "introduction to Iron Maiden" story. I was introduced to both bands in high school by a friend of a friend, fell head over heels for them and we snuck out of school with his brother to pick up CDs of their's; in my case, _The Essential Iron Maiden_ and then _Appetite for Destruction._ Both times, we snuck out during lunch, met his brother (a high school junior; we were both freshmen) in the student parking lot and he drove us to the Willowbrook mall in Wayne, New Jersey in his Dodge Challenger RT. We then bought our CDs from the now-closed FYE in the mall (it's now a PacSun; shame really.) I also bought my first Iron Maiden t-shirt during _"Operation: Maiden"_ _("Operation: _Appetite"_ was what we called the trip for Gn'R.) Then both times we had lunch at the food court and returned to school without getting caught. It all took maybe 45 minutes both times and I'll remember those days until my last breath.
That's what its all about. Rock misleading the youth. Haha.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Pretty much 😂
@@CIRCLEOFTONE So true!
89/90 I remember when g n r coming out I was beyond sick of hair metal so I disregarded them then I saw the metallica stadium tour in 92 g n r kicked royal ass !!!!!
Steven Adler from that era is one of my favorite drummers. Real shame how that band absolutely DETERIORATED. Steven had FEEL! Matt Sorum may be more solid be he lacks serious FEEL. I saw GnR open for Aerosmith back in 1989. GnR sounded like crap but they still rocked harder than Aerosmith and put on a better show. Well ... Aerosmith was amazing! 😂 My favorite show in that vein however was CINDERELLA! OMG they were stunningly good. Artemis Pyle even sat in with 'em!
I agree. I think Matt is a personality and solid but it's pretty vanilla.
Yes, Adler had a groove/swing to his playing. Matt is a time keeper. It sucked when he split they never had the same feel....Izzy said in an interview thats why he split
I've been saying that about Cinderella for a long time. It's funny that when everybody mentions great bands from the 80s they faile to mention possibly the best live act there was back then. I saw Cinderella blow Bon Jovi and Ratt off the stage as a warm-up act twice. Now Ratt and Bon Jovi both kicked ass but Cinderella really threw it down and the crowd responded. But now all everybody seems to remember is Motley Crue and poison LOL Not that they're bad but Cinderella was a force. Funny how things are looked at now vs reality in 1986. And yea, I saw Poison also at the Monsters Of Rock in like 1989 and they were good, but simply not as good as Cinderella. Truth.
Your story of being introduced to guns n roses was awsome. It dont get much better than that. Good stuff
Thanks man
You’re right about Axl. Hell there’s a video of them early at a shitty outdoor show where idiots are throwing water and beer onstage and could this electrocute the band. Axl ended that as he says he’s not on heroin at the time.
It’s a shame they imploded. Although they sounded good if not the best rock musicians I’ve heard (even over Aerosmith) but it lacked blues Rythym from lack of Izzy and Adler.
God I almost died laughing when you threw that unintentional Rob Chapman vocal parody
Hehe
I heard an interview with slash and from what I remember was that his tech brought the stolen amp to the rental place by accident to get serviced and they realized it was the stolen head and of course kept it.
Lol. Would not doubt it.
CIRCLE OF TONE. Where did you hear the story at 4:30?
What song is that at 1:44 and 10:19?
GnR were the band that really hit me and brought me to the dark side, aka heavier music. I was 12 when AFD came out and it was like a kick in the teeth, but in a good way. Besides Pantera, they may have been the last true rock n roll band. Speaking of, there's a rumor floating around that the guys from Pantera did a full cover of Appetite. I can only say let this be true, and lets put this thing out there for the public
damn tone sounds just as good possibly better than the original, your really educating me on the magic or secret sauce that every legendary music act has, there's no stories like this anymore and you've woken me up to why the discography of rock and metal in the modern era has a overly similar sound cause bands aren't tone hunting in every nook and cranny like they use to, thanks
Awesome. Glad I could help. IMO we need to study more than just playing. We need to be analytical when it comes to the appeal of classic recordings.
People have slagged off Axl for too long! The dude can fart out songs better than many people's best.
Also, thanks for the flipped neck pickup thing! I've been wanting that sharper, cleaner attack that I love about strats' in-between tones. A few of my guitars have always been too dark. Gonna have to change them now.
Yep. He's awesome. There are very few people who can sing GnR and do it justice.
I think that the neck pickup is supposed to be "flipped" as you put it. Every guitar I own with HH configuration or HSH, has the adjustable poles flipped to the neck side. Love your videos. Thank you Owen.
Delighted you like my vids. Yeah I got a bit confused about his neck pickup and pole pieces etc. Mine is reversed and it's probably why mine is a bit brighter (apart from the fretboard material and me using a different magnet).
Yeah the adjustable pole pieces are almost always on the "neck side" of the neck pickup. Because that's right where the 24th fret (2nd octave) would be; you get a nice full warm sound right there. Go play a natural harmonic right above the neck pup's adj. poles on any 22-fret guitar, it should ring out perfectly just as it does above the 12th or 5th fret if your pickup is placed correctly and the guitar is intonated well.
It's why you rarely see LP-type guitars with 24-fret necks (partly), and why 24-fret Strats often sound like muddy dogshit on the neck pickup and you just can't get that same tone you would from a 22-fret with the same pup in the right spot... because with 24 frets you have to push the neck pickup towards the bridge to a sort of "dead spot" along the string. It just doesn't sound right. Check it out once with the same pickup in the two different positions, you might be surprised how much difference moving it an inch or two makes. Sorry Owen, you definitely did not invent that alignment; it's been standard procedure for nearly as long as pickups have existed.
Great vid as usual but when are you gonna do Ride the Lightning? Maybe my all time favorite tone is on that album. I’ve heard they used a modded JMP, most likely a 2203, pushed with a Ibanez Tube Screamer (not sure which one). Keep up the vids and happy holidays!
That is next!
Hell yeah🤘
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Aaaand please show the knob settings as well, just a 1 sec pic that can be paused?
@@zombieman9509 Check his Instagram. He posts settings there. instagram.com/p/BrF2U30nhAO/
Ride the lightning is my favorite guitar tone Metallica did.
Anyone who's read Slash's book, knows what a compulsive kleptomaniac he was....
I was around 9 when i went to my grandmas house and my uncle was watching tokyo,. I saw slash doing ng the godfather theme and i was just left in an absolute awe,. Been a gunner ever since,. Im 36 now 😎 ive seen gnr 2 times and slash 3 times 🤠 wish to own a slash les paul one day
Nice memories.
I was 9/10 when jungle hit the airwaves and MTV. 32ish years later I still get the same feeling whwn I hear those songs.
Slash Les Paul? Get an Epiphone. Excellent guitar! And priced much better than Gibson for the same guitar! Hope that helps.
@@craighalvorson77 The Vintage V100 AFD is a good choice on a budget too, all Wilkinson hardware
You were right to use the word 'tasteful' - for Izzy's stuff; when you hear the album without Slash every dynamic Keith Richard's 'bang' on the guitar is in just the right place/just the right time...
Yep he knew the secret of underplaying.
True; I believe he works - like some kind of glue, in the background...grounding it all @@CIRCLEOFTONE
There's this gig at the Ritz in october 1987, not the 1988 gig ruclips.net/video/8tBlZO8Aikk/видео.html
So, it's from after GFD was recorded. And Axl introduces the band at minute 38:00, and introduces Izzy saying, if my memory isn't wrong, "on his new Chet Atkins guitar...". It was the white ES-175.
So it wasn't used on that record.
AWESOME info! That's why I was confused about what was what when he said he used an ES-175.
Excellent video as always man, tons of interesting info about the gear they used. That part about the 1960s SG damn!
Everything about that album helped make me the musician I am today. I basically learned how to write bass lines because of Duff's playing. Such a great player. And those songs are absolutely timeless.
Apart from the copyright issue, part of the reason I didn't recreate the whole band was because recreating Duff was so daunting. He is an amazing player/writer and his tone was great.
CIRCLE OF TONE. Seriously. Duff was the blueprint for everything I loved about bass. His playing. His tone. The look. Goddamn Rock and Roll. All of it. 😂
I wish I could show you the sound I got. Thank you for this! I had my Marshall 80W Valvestate, Gibson Les Paul Custom EMG 81/bridge, ZW Crybaby (switched on), gain at 10 O' Clock, boosted with an overdrive then reverb at 2 O' Clock
Excellent summary of the sounds on the album. Dig it man
Holy fuckin’ shit that’s it! And without going thru their board as well! I fell in love with this band, this album, this Tone when I was 10 years old back in 88’. Appetite & And Justice For All are my desert island albums. But damn dude you nailed it, you brought tears to my eyes. Great F’n’ job!
Great stuff as always. The Amp that was recovered by SIR was recovered when the band were rehearsing, according to Slash in his autobiography.
Also, Frank Levi is on facebook. I´m in a group called "Slash´s guitar collectors" and he has posted there a few times. According to him, the AFD100 is based on the #36 (AFD) & #34 (Illusions) which he modded, but unfortunately, Mr. Levi wasn´t involved in the design of the AFD100 (much to his chagrin apparently), so according to him, it´s not an exact replica, and it also apparently does not sound the same as the original either. Although #39 & #36 will probably never be recovered, Slash is still in possession of the #34, which is a modded JCM800 apparently.
Ps, I wrote this comment 14:14 into the video, haven´t watched it through yet.
Awesome info.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE my pleasure. Here´s the link to the group of you´re interested.
facebook.com/groups/1696765807023158/
Appetite is my all time favorite album and GN'R are my favorite band. And the guitar tones are my favorite tones too.
It is such an alive tone, warm and woody and just killer clean playing.
Lol I’m binge watching your vids but question. If flipping the pickup reduces flub and makes it tighter, can you take a lower output pup with good definition and make it as tight as an EMG/Fishman?
I’m looking for a way to get a tighter sound without using an OD. I’m about to purchase a Friedman PT-20 to use for metal considering not many people seem to use modded Plexi based amps for modern stuff these days. I’ve figured cranking the master would allow me to cut some low end thanks to the power tubes working. Also figure in order to push the amp I’m probably gonna need something like a Fishman. The clarity and response on those things are amazing. Keep up the good work man!
Personally I am not a fan of Fishman or active pickups in general. Only flipping the neck makes it slightly tighter. Flipping the bridge will make it a tiny bit warmer but only a little. So if you want tight my regular pickup in the bridge is super tight/focused.
CIRCLE OF TONE. Nice. I plan on purchasing a Solar soon. I’m sure the pickups will be tight but I’ll purchase yours to test out.
A great example of "half-cocked" wah? Extreme's first album. Listen to Teacher's Pet specifically.
Amazing tone
you always have great story to tell. man this is great! so it is true, he use Seymour Duncan since the very beginning ...
Yep. People complain about the signature Slash pickup prices but Seymore Duncan DESERVES the rewards. Plus people forget Slash gets a cut. It's not about the price of the plastic etc. It's about the R&D. And if your link in the chain helped make millions happy you deserve the $$$.
Your pic reminds me of Brad Pitt everytime I see it...lol
@@rickfeith6372 I get that all the time too. It's hard to tell us apart.
I have the alnico pro 2 slash pickups in the slash epi firebird. I did make them 4 conductor and wired them into a Jimmy Page harness. Hehehe most people would scoff at that but tone is in the beholder. The tones rock. I'm not into slash much more than he is a tone hound like I am.
I loves me a mystery, and am enjoying your videos more than I thought I would. I love how you scope everything out. Fun video! I like how your passion and respect for the gear comes through.
Thanks man. Labor of love.
I'd say that Slash's style of tone could just be a Les Paul with any medium output humbucker with a bunch of highs plugged into any Marshall with moderate to semi high gain.
The tone was always fascinating to me. It's bright and spanky but with a very wide clanky pick attack, sounds almost like a sledgehammer. Even when you take the bass and drums out it sounds absolutely gargantuan.
It's got girth, I mean just a really thick sound but it's not a bulldozer that it doesn't trample all over the mix. Again, more akin to a sledgehammer which is not too little but not too much, just right.
You were spot on tho👌
Yep. He uses the wah vol etc to stop if from being too bloated.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE The thinner bottom strings are probably another factor in that as well. When I switched over from 10-52 to 11-48 I did notice a substantial increase in clarity.
And he does ride the tone knob a lot too which really changes up the sound quite a bit. Fuck me, Joe Bonamassa was right :D
I've sat through dozens of "Capture Slash's Tone" click-bait videos on RUclips, but my man... you f*****g NAILED IT!!! When you first started playing the SCo'M riff, I thought you were pulling a fast one by miming the notes over the original recording. It wasn't until you flubbed a couple of the notes where I realized you were being serious! Excellent excellent video! Do you by any chance know where I can buy a modded Marshall like yours? I've seen those AFD100's, and while I'm sure they sound cool and all, I just hate anything that has someone's signature or logo on it... especially the 1980's strip club logos and fonts that Slash seems to be associated with.
Glad you like it man! Not sure on the amp thing but most British style amps on the neck pickup with a Cocked wah wah will get you most of the way.
Yes, AFD's do sound amazing. I use one regularly, but for my style, it's a selective tone I use on certain tracks - has a lot of that half-cocked clarity, which can be a bit violent on some tracks. To me, it plays like and sounds like a guitar with a fairly aggressive slow attack-fast release compressor on it. Great for any track you want to sound a little out of control, or where you want to really feel the pick attack.
Yep. Cocked wah gets a bad rep and it's mostly from people who play at low vol. The secret is a cranked amp plus the cocked wah.
Yeah i can say that we was very fortunate to live in the days of bands that changed the music. My friend Corey was a drummer & he had just bought Appetite on vinyl.Because it's a lot easier to stop & lift up the arm of a record player ,than it is to stop , fast forward & re-wind a cassette tape.LOL I was kinda like you. Into Thrash bands, but yeah..this album was a game changer for me.I'm still a Big G&R fan to this day...Godspeed my friend & Great take.
1:13 NOPE! GET OUT OF THE GUITAR STORE! Lol! I still play that riff as a warm up before every session.
I don‘t get it. What is considered a flipped Pickup?
To me bridge pu screws towards bridge and neck pu screws towards neck is „normal“. All I see is guitars with the Pickups installed that way so what is flipped?
Yep well spotted. I got that wrong during my description. Basically my neck pickup has the pu screws facing the bridge instead of the neck. That's what I was trying to explain. I have regular ones too.
So many of my friends loved this band. Got to tell you I was outside the Bay Area and I was a thrash kid. We absolutely hated Pistols and daisies by the time high school came around. But no argument that they fooled a lot of people and sold a lot of albums. And deep down all of us hard core thrashers all secretly liked sweet child o mine accept the part where Axel rose is making Whoopi dancing with the mc in the video LMAO.
This is the most accurate tone of Slash's guitar in YT
Thanks man.
That upside down neck pickup thing has restored my faith in using neck pickups, awesome tone
Thanks! It's just speculation on my part re Slash but mine is upside down and I love it.
At the time Appetite came out, I'll have to admit that I really hated Slash's midrangy snarl. It always sounded like a half cocked wah-wah pedal to me -- from the snarl in the tone, it sure sounded like one was being used. There's just a certain tonality a wah being used as an extra tone control gives to the sound of a guitar. I hadn't read that Slash used one. Now I know better. :-) Also, even though at the time Appetite came out I wasn't a fan of the tone (I was more of an Angus and Malcolm tone kinda guy) I could tell why Slash's tone worked so well, and why it was so effective on the record -- it was the perfect complement to Axl's midrangy snarl of a voice. Both were very 'in your face' tones, which really fit the band's presentation well. I had read that the amp Slash used was modified, but he apparently dimed all controls.... But the use of the cocked wah obviously was a key component.
What headphones are those bro? Interesting vid btw!
That is the most perfect explanation of the magic of AFD, the reason it was as great as it was, and why it was a one shot deal.
Thanks Sayre.
I was 9 years old when this album came out and I knew it was an amazing album when I first heard it. I've been lucky to have been musically conscious when a few albums that are considered classics came out. Master Of Puppets, Appetite For Destruction, Nevermind, and OK Computer come to mind. I also remember getting GNR Lies and looking at the boobs on that artwork. GNR were the real bad boys of rock and I knew it even then.
Man you nailed that tone! Once again, another great vid. I've been making sure to click that like button on every bit of content I enjoy now because I was totally guilty of just consuming and moving on. Now I need you to do a vid on Def Leppard's guitar tone from High & Dry - specifically the lead tone from Another Hit And Run. Cheers!
Awesome. That REALLY helps. Def Leppard have killer tone. They almost had nervous breakdowns from how hard Mutt Lang drove them in the studio. Would make a great episode.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Yeah Mutt was definitely their sixth member. He tried to kill Joe in the studio from what I've read. High & Dry was the album that made me wanna play guitar when I was 12, and Blizzard Of Ozz was the album that made me wanna get really good at it once I had started playing by age 16. Pyromania had some awesome guitar tones as well. Always loved that palm-muted break riff on Die Hard The Hunter and Phil and Steve's lead tones on all the solos were badass, too. Think I read somewhere that Phil used a strat through a Marshall combo amp for a lot of it, and only used his Ibanez Destroyer for a few tracks. Either way, present day I'm longing for that classic rock/metal tone like on High & Dry.
Im so looking forward to watching this! ... thank you very much boy bachhh ! 👊
Frank Zappa also made good use of a VOX wah pedal! In that middle position live on a stage- and an SG in hand... one of the best - Iv'e ever seen! Still one of the BEST guitar TONES around ;) Anything on Frank... would be much appreciated! take care
Yep. Legend.
I would love to see a video on how Mike Bloomfield got his tone in his later years with his "59" Les Paul. I love his tone.
Good shout.
Upon rewatching this I do remember seeing some tour footage that shows Slash using JCM 800's at some point. I know he switched to Silver Jubilee's at some point later in the tour. Funny enough I was doing some research on my Epiphone Les Paul, turns out it's one of the older south korea made ones from 2002 and not one of the newer made in china ones (which have terrible necks and sometimes sound like shit), turns out they have Alnico Pro's in them, so I have practically the same pickup. Major difference is that my pickups are covered and I don't think his are, and plus they aren't really vintage although they are about 18 years old. Apperently Slash also had a Kramer or a Jackson superstrat around this same time, but I don't think it was ever used on a recording. If you listen to the isolated guitar tracks a ton of what you're hearing is Izzy, and I believe he used a Mesa Boogie on the actual record. If you look at the footage of them at the Ritz from 1988 you can see that both Izzy and Slash were using JCM 800's. Not sure how many were modded, and I'm not sure that was the case for the whole tour.
Their tone for their 1988 show at the ritz is crazy
That was interesting to see you use all downstrokes on the intro of sweet child of mine. I've always just done alternate picking without thinking about it. So after seeing you play it, I found footage of Slash and was surprised to see he uses a lot more upstrokes than I would have thought. Not good or bad, but it's something I never would have discovered without watching this. Cheers
Thanks man. I think we both play out without the little finger too.
Not sure where I saw this at, but I do very vividly remember Izzy saying in an interview he used that ice white ES-175 on every song on Appetite. He also used a Chet Atkins guitar a lot during the AFD Tour, and he can be seen playing it at their first concert at the Ritz in Oct '87, then at the '88 Ritz gig he played the ice white ES-175 on every song they played that gig. He also very famously played the Les Paul Custom during the early days of Guns and during the AFD Tour as well. Izzy's tone is very unique and is very hard to decipher what he actually used on Appetite.
I only have one modern 57. I found a few on reverb from the 80's for around $299, are they worth it??
No. A lot of SM57 are old and not listed as vintage. If I were you look for obvious aging and signs of use on $60 used ones. Buy multiple ones at that price then shoot them out. Listen close as they will have subtle differences. Then keep the best one. That's what I did.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE I picked one up used for about $110 a month ago!!
Spot on! That Steven Adler "bounce" is what's been missing from G'n'R ever since he got fucked on drugs and was kicked out. They just don't sound the same without him.
It drives me nuts when people like Bonamassa use "great" drummers. It's like a drum machine. The best drummers have character over being a human metronome/solid/vanilla.
Yes indeed!
I think that tone is more value than slash him self
Thanks man.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Thanks to you man. This channel is awesome, your work here is priceless. If you had more Bass tone videos this channel would be just PERFECT. But i know that's very difficult and in my experience bass tones are more gig than guitar tones, and in my opinion is the reason why play bass i so hard, im a guitar and bass player, but GOD, sounding like you want to sound in bass is so fucking hard if you dont have money!!
@@kultiras4978 there is an awesome guy who does the equivalent on bass.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE who is?
@@kultiras4978 sorry... Forgot the link ruclips.net/video/FyDJrFpQIHw/видео.html
maybe I'm missing something but the neck pickup in the original Slash guitar isn't installed backwards. The screw poles protrude through the cover and every guitar I own with humbuckers has them installed closest to the neck from the factory. The picture you have at the 9:24 time stamp showing Marsdens Les Paul is the correct orientation. Google a pic of Peter Greens Les Paul ( also belonged to Gary Moore). You'll see the backwards neck pickup.
Yeah I got that bit mixed up. Well spotted.
Finally! What a shame you couldn't do a full mix, but that neck pickup sound is so spot on. I never thought of using a cocked wah to get that sound. Brilliant! I've tried flipping the neck pickup before but I can't decide which I like more. Great Video!
GREAT video man seriously that intro to sweet child o mine sounds exactly the same as on the album to my ears
Thanks man. I think mine is a bit brighter due to my pickups, fretboard etc being different and the effect of him recording to tape etc but I'm really happy with the voicing.
Saw them open for the Cult before Appetite came out San Diego Sports Arena
Very cool
Hahahahaha that wasn't Lynch!!!! That guy looked a little "too shy shy hush hush I U Y".....great video as usual!!! The stories from GnR's early day's never cease to entertain.
Hehe. dougfcknsteele.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/gl6.jpg
Saw 'em live in '88 (Donnington), '92 (in Turin of all places) & again at the Olympic Stadium last year. Axl back in the day was the best front man I've ever seen (& I've seen just about every decent band you can think of) but I've gotta admit, I'm just a wee bit of a sad Slash fanboy lol. I've got his '10 AFD & '08 Goldie sig LP's (only I prefer to use an old Orange head, through a couple of vintage cabs with greenbacks in 'em). I totally agree about Steven too. He was an integral part of the AFD sound & nothing Matt Sorum ever played on sounded anything like as good. Cool video man.
How does a flipped pickup compares to one in a usual orientation? Interesting as ive seen alot of my favourite guitar players do this yet I haven't tried this myself.
It's a horses for courses thing. I've found that it makes a neck pickup more usable for everyday stuff as there is a little more quack and slightly more defenition of notes. If people don't like the effect, you can flip it back for regular neck creamy stuff. I'm not saying it's better this way, just for my personal use it is more useful.
Thanks for your reply! I'll give it a try! Though if I flip the neck, the bridge would also need to be flipped correct?
Doesn't flipping one pickup leave you with an out of phase sound when using both pickups?
I'm pretty sure flipping the pickup just lowers the position of the pole pieces towards the bridge but I think it also ads a bit of quack so perhaps the physical position also causes subtle changes in voicing. So when the pole pieces get slightly closer to the bridge it gets brighter. That's why I would never flip a bridge pickup because it's already bright.
Middle position is OK and not that different, just a little less muddy. If you don't like it, you can just install the pickup flipped for a trad setup.
You have to flip the orientation of the magnet in regards to the coil winds, so spinning the pickup alone won't give you that out of phase Peter Green sound.
He used a Les Paul COPY to record Appetite for Destruction? LOL! How ironic that Gibson's 'Ambassador' didn't even use a Gibson to record nearly ALL of the album (apart from the one song)! LOL! Guitar Snobs/Brand Snobs are always so quick to dump on anyone who uses copies or less expensive guitars, etc. Look at how many people use copies! Even Gibson's chosen 'Ambassador'!!
Holy SHIT! Is their a increase in DUMBASSES happening lately or something?! Here, YOU READ (if you can manage it): www.slashsworld.com/equipment/guitars/59-les-paul-replica-built-by-kris-derrig/
My point was about people getting all pissy and snobby about BRAND FUCKING NAMES!
It was a REPLICA - a COPY. It was NOT a Gibson. NOWHERE did I say it was a CHINA FAKE! Please, Mr Fucking GENIUS, point out where I said it was a China-made fake. You CAN'T because I NEVER said that. Holy shit, if attitude and hubris were brains, you'd be genius level!
This channel is gold.
Thanks man.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Your welcome looking forward to future videos.
What is the name of the cab??
As far as the bit about the SG through the van window goes, Slash never put the guitar through the vans window. There's an early photoshoot of him holding his Derrig LP standing next to the van with the SG through the window. But Slash said that the hole in the window was already there as he used to use the vans they rented as battering rams. So when they did that photoshoot, he just put the SG in the hole that was already there to give the illusion that he smashed the window with it. He explained it in his book if memory serves me correctly. 🤔
That's awesome man. Great info. My faith is restored.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Yeah it's pretty cool, although it's fucked up I remember all this shit! Haha! Sadly this is what happens when you love Slash to an unhealthy degree! 🤣
Hehe. If you know any of the gear user on use your illusion era let me know.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Oh man, Slash had an entire army of guitars/amps for the UYI sessions! Haha.
Great insights into a classic album man well done.....what's the rob chapman cut in shot about? I feel like I missed the joke?
I've been a Dorje fan for years, and when I yelled it sounded like a Chappers scream. He sings etc.
Really? Ok don’t sweat it I actually enjoyed a nickleback song once and still carry my head high 😉
Great work man, Thanks for this. I'm not so obsessive that I would do all your research, I am Just obsessive enough to be thoroughly entertained by this vid.
Thanks man.
For the love of god please do a video on Gary Moore's 1986-1987 tour during the Wild Frontier album, he used a 1970's Super Bass with an EMG but I want to see if someone can replicate the tone he had on his Wild Frontier tour...
Damn! EMG were around in the 70's? I forget how old they are. I have a Superlead and an EMG LP style guitar so I could give it a crack. Do you have any other details?
@@CIRCLEOFTONE If you're gonna do Gary Moore please include this tone! open.spotify.com/track/0vST74f7JN2uUMSsVcFFZw (Speak for yourself, from After the war) such an awesome tone. But great video :)
@@CIRCLEOFTONE No he used the EMG's in the 80's not the 70's =). He used two Charvel guitars (Which were mixed parts) on the Wild Frontier tour, a white & red one. The red one had the EMG 58 not the 85, and the white one had an 81. If you go to this link you can find info on the guitars and amps he used during the mid 80's. www.groundguitar.com/gary-moore-gear/ & this link is the tone I was talking about ruclips.net/video/xsMKdlB3lbI/видео.html
@@darinsteele7091 You are the man!
Darin Steele that last note... oh my 😮Thanks for that link/share 👏👏
the appetite album was mostly izzy songs i think. also the guitar work on that album is perfect. they both complimented each other so well in the parts and tone, everything.
Still waiting for the venom vid
My Geordie accent is getting much closer
Hmm didn’t they have a Tremolo circuit in the old Bluesbreakers JTMS like the one Clapton used and was it Uli Jon Roth that played the Super Trems back in the 70s
Yep. They used the extra preamp for the trem as the extra gain stage.
I was thinking your crazy as thinking axl was the one getting people to focus but then I thought about it and remembered someone saying (possibly Slash) saying they never spent more than a day on a song except for Axl, and also Axl wrote november rain and all the complex songs.
Axl programmed all the strings and stuff on November Rain also. I think it was the first time that it had been done and he spent months in the studio putting it together
I always thought the intro of Welcome to The Jungle sounded very similar to the intro to Fairies Wear Boots.
Also check this from 0:24
ruclips.net/video/XZpWvwrBOVw/видео.html
Great points! Good chemistry doesn’t necessarily mean healthy chemistry!
Yep. Agree.
Man you nailed the tone, even the reverb. Which one is it by the way?
I think it's soundtoys little plate reverb.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE I would look it up, it sounds EXACTLY like the one on that record. Thanks mate, cheers!!
Great video. Your research for this is crazy good! Thanks for sharing.
Do you go in the comp before or after the amp ?
hi i use a marshall origin 20 how can i set it to have a sound similar to that of slash?
Would flipping the neck pickup of an active produce a similar result? If anyone knows feel free to clue me in, I could just do it but my strings will break if I slack them to do it and don't feel like changing them just yet
There are a few hundred active pickups, but truth be told I have no idea. When pickups come with motherboards I get confused.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Well next time I change strings I'll give it a try and report the results. Are you still planning on doing an episode on Master Of Puppets? Watched the Kill Em All and Ride The Lightning ones last night and would really love to see the same effort put into that album, a Rust In Peace episode would be pretty sweet too!
Damn Owen, that was outstanding. The detail-oriented obsessive compulsive in me loves it when you go balls deep like this.
Not too mention the tones are on point & in a mix probably couldn’t be told apart. You definitely sold some pickups on this one.
Thanks man!
Rocket Queen is the best track they did. The Garden (with Cooper) is pretty awesome too.
That KERRANG on the held chords is ROCK AND ROLL
West Coast Sound Labs - Agreed
I've forgotten how "creamy" his tone was, my aural memory always associated Slash with a very bright, halfway-to-Queen guitar tone. But it's really rather bluesy and mellow (and RAWK)
I was 14/15 when it came out. Back then, Appetite, Sonic Temple, and Nothing’s Shocking were all awesome late 80s albums. I hated hair metal, and those albums were great.
Those albums were rock swagger incarnate. When you look at The Cult videos etc, that is a rock star. Now guitar heroes are middle aged boner killer RUclipsrs polishing pedalboards. Sigh. We need rock stars to get kids picking up the guitar again.