What Happens If the SEC & Big Ten Leave & Form Their Own League? | CFP
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- Опубликовано: 10 мар 2024
- David Smoak, Paul Catalina, and Craig Smoak discuss their thoughts on the deadline that is approaching with the college football playoff, what happens if the Big Ten & SEC break off and do their own thing, and more.
With Craig Smoak, David Smoak, & Paul Catalina
3:30pm-Adam Rittenberg, ESPN.com
4:20pm-Ross Dellenger, Yahoo Sports
4:45pm-Ashley Hodge, 365 Sports Basketball Analyst
5:25pm-King McClure, ESPN Basketball Analyst
5:45pm-Paul Catalina's "Top 5" 
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I get football rules the college landscape, but March Madness generates $1B each year. If the SEC/B10 wants to "do their own thing" in football, let 'em. The Men's Basketball Tournament (owned by the NCAA) could then say "only members in good standing" can play in the tournament. Imagine no SEC or B10 schools playing in March.
Could be how LIV golf players weren't allowed to compete in the PGA at first
March madness has like 32 different conferences to pay out though. They only make like 30 million from March madness. It's fractions compared to football. Taking the power 2 out of basketball would hurt the remainder of the basketball conferences more then the big10 or sec
No Big No SEC No one watching
Viewership would go way down without the Big 10/SEC. Don’t kid yourself thinking March Madness would be the same without the biggest programs in college sports.
@@JS-cu3mv not to be a dick but serious question...and don't you think that could be the same with the Big10 and SEC people alienating the rest of college teams?
If they leave in football, tell them they're leaving in basketball, too. Enjoy your 14 team BASKETBALL tournament, too.
Can't tell them jack
Im fine with the Big 12, ACC and some of the G5, making a seperate league for FB and BB. no cross play with the Big and $EC in any sports. Just let them move on.
Totally agree
Yep.
Me too. Watch that Super league flounder too because I don’t care if it has nothing to do with my team.
No Wonder Nick Saban retired.
I am too and have been saying it for a while. Let them leave. Not many would watch them.
By those numbers, money wise, the B12 is closer to G5 than they are to the P2.
Welcome to the G7 B12 + ACC
I agree with your arguments. I’m a Boise State fan, however, and I struggle to see how these same complaints couldn’t be made against the BCS auto-bids each P6 conference got v the G5 teams.
If the SEC and Big10 leave,they would not have to abide by any rules. They could play players directly, how about more than 85 on “scholarship”, or not even require players to even go to school.
So they go pro. Fine by me. Some people like the NBA, some people like college basketball.
The G-8s already are being used as a farm system for the Super 2 Conferences.
It's pretty asinine for schools to think they should start paying student athletes if they're already making money on NIL.
@@redroom8537 Do you show up to work but hope to get paid randomly by volunteers outside of the company for doing such a great job? The players are the product being sold and the universities are violating US Labor Laws by denying the players access to the TV revenue they generate. Slavery was outlawed a long time ago.
@@roris5882 You keep saying that, but with NIL, the Big Ten and SEC can't take in every four and five-star player who doesn't want to sit buried in the depth chart for the next two years when they could go to a Big 12 or ACC school and start right away.
I say let them split and exclude 3/4 of college football fans. I know myself I don’t watch their games unless it can affect my team moving in the rankings. I think there are more people than me like that, and it will hit their bottom line eventually!
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90% of college football fans cheer for the 20 most valuable schools. The B1G and SEC already have most of them but will add the rest by 2026. So they will eventually have all the best players and teams.
Exactly !!!
Most fans are casual fans and only watch teams on a normal Cable Company. ABC/Fox/CBS. They don’t care about a Big12 game getting 200k views.
If 3/4 of the fans watched anything but the P2, you'd have an idea. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that Alabama and Georgia alone, combined, had more average viewers for their games than the members of the new Big 12 had average viewers combined. The South and Upper Midwest just have a higher number of college football fanatics than the Plains and the West.
Tell them to go off and play with themselves, and never schedule out of conference games with them.
They already are off on their own because they have all the power and the G-8s keep getting less relevant.
The problem with your theory is that an Iowa State would be crazy to turn down a game with a Tennessee or Ole Miss, who averages over 2 million viewers, compared to whatever Iowa State averages (300 k?). The cut of ad revenue to the conference would be throwing so much potential money away.
The rest become losers
@@roris5882 They dont actually have as much power as you think. Money yes, but money doesnt necessarily = power.
If you push the issue of the playoffs against the G5 and push the narrative to take them out, imo youre gonna see side of the G5 that is worse than your harshest nightmares. Teams from the CUSA, WAC and MWC sued the league back in 09-12 in football and it was a MAJOR PROBLEM for the league. In all legal reality the existence of the CFP was largely to quell these lawsuits. The P5 wanted to f&ck around with monetary control and the G5 responded with the fiercest actions that exist in this country. The Civil lawsuits were for $240 Million, the State lawsuits were for $460 million, and these werent even the harshest actions.
Oh you like you $500 million media deal? Gonna look real nice while youre throating a $2 billion lawsuit for federal corruption and anti-trust. Thats what the 09-12 lawsuits were. $2.8 billion in damages for violating federal and state laws.
Yes congress is unreliable, but if the B10 and SEC think they are above the law - they may want to check their math again. 26 States do not have schools in their conferences. Monetary gains of public schools from post season events are taxable revenue streams for state governments. So when you create a new league you push 26 state governments at a loss of taxable revenue. You should know by now that governments get incredibly pissed off when you steal taxable revenue. Of all the "power" the B10 and SEC have do you really think they have the power to dismay 26 state governments legal action against them? Cuz thats the road your going down........ Anytime you have more than 1 state government suing a company for something it nearly always results in a federal lawsuit.
Not to mention you have G5 universities like Boise State, Nevada, Utah State and Fresno State that were a part of the civil and state action lawsuits against the NCAA and BCS in 09-12. What do you think happens if these universities sued the B10 and SEC? They have to provide justification for their suit. They were told that with the CFP running the show corruption wouldnt occur. And yet 6 undefeated G5 teams still didnt make the playoffs in the CFP era. That directly contradicts what the NCAA and CFP told them in 14, to stand them down from their lawsuits. That was clearly a lie. So now if they a file a new lawsuit all they really have to do is admit the previous lawsuit as justification and evidence and its pretty much a slam dunk case. On the federal level US Senate Committee stated that the NCAA and BCS were in violation with anti-trust and anti-corruption laws in this country. Theres CSPAN documented evidence of this. They have overwhelming evidence that these the league as whole caused monetary damage to these conferences - AND they have documented proof from 2010 that specificlaly the B10 and SEC cause detrimental harm to the WAC and MWC. PLUS they also have about 60 years of evidence of power conferences causing monetary harm agaiinst them.
Thats a sh!tload of evidence to go against and feel confident that your bill at the end of the trial doesnt end in tens of BILLIONS of dollars of penaltities.
It is time for the P2 to separate from the G7.
CFB: "Hey is that a shark in the water?? Break out the wake board, we're going for it!!"
You go, Craig! Seriously, I believe that a breakup would only hurt the B1G and SEC in the long run. So, go ahead, make our day!
If it comes down to it, I would much rather watch my team play in a league with the Big12, ACC, MWC, AAC, etc. where there majority of college football is still together than be relegated as a second class citizen in a league with the SEC/BIG.
When it comes to automatic byes for the SEC/BIG and extra auto bids for those leagues the Big12 and ACC just need to say no and go either the BIG/SEC can get reasonable or they can do their own thing and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
The thought process around all of this discussion makes it seem like SEC and B1G are playing checkers. Make a move, see response, make another move. I promise you, they are 3-4 moves ahead of everyone playing chess. They already have a plan going forward as a power two. The other conferences wouldn’t even be able to compete for recruits in other sports like basketball soon. The clock is ticking on these other conferences. They want to separate. They want plausible deniability, and they are getting it immediately.
But everybody will know that there was no effort on the part of the Big Ten and SEC to do what was best for college football. They made a terrible offer to the rest of the FBS schools. I personally would be okay with the rest of the conferences telling the Big Ten and SEC to pound sand (which I believe is what the Big Ten and SEC want to happen anyway).
@@bryanjones8778 telling the B1G and SEC to pound sand will kill the other conferences. The inevitable paying athletes as employees is coming and the Big XII and ACC will not be able to compete in other sports either. It also doesn’t matter that everyone sees their efforts as disingenuous. Those two conference commissioners and presidents have a duty to their conference and their schools, respectively. They can deliberately point and say we offered a deal. Sure, it was a crap one, but it was a crap one with a seat at the table. Telling them to pound sand is the conferences effectively shooting themselves and taking themselves out of the future.
You call it greed. I call it getting ready for Title IX.
When schools start paying football players directly, at some point they will be forced to pay every athlete, regardless of sport. Bank on it.
Does what is happening to college sports suck? Yes. But you can’t fault the SEC and Big 10 alone. We have been headed down this path for decades with Title IX, the 1980s tv lawsuit, the relaxation of academic standards to play, and the devaluation of a free college education in return for playing a game.
That's why the B1G and SEC will pay their football players directly, after negotiating with their players unions, to bypass Title IX because conferences are private organizations and only the public universities fall under Title IX regulations.
I have been saying this for Years; the NFL should expand and play full time on Saturday. Why share "Pro" ball money with a bunch of colleges?
It's illegal for them to play on Saturday from Sept.-early Dec.
@@jahnvantuttlesma8215 Only contractually through the TV networks agreements, which can be easily renegotiated.
How much do the ACC/Big XII get now/average over past three years, and how much will they get with the new proposal?
Peanuts = 🥜
They need to do the CFP payout participation based. Give all FBS teams a base amount $2-5M, the rest should be based on games played. Right now the B1G/SEC will have the most teams in the CFP anyways, but it gives the Big-12/ACC/G-5 the opportunity to make more money by winning on the field and getting more bids (eventually).
The only teams and conferences that should get paid are the ones that earn their way into the playoffs by finishing the regular season in the Top 12, 14, or 16 Teams. Since the B1G and SEC will have all the best players and teams by 2026, they will be earning most of the revenue, if not all of it. But at least the G-8s would have the opportunity to sneak onto the playoffs as a low speed and get obliterated because they don't have the resources to compete with the Super 2 Conferences head to head.
No because CFP participants are subjective and biased. College football is the only sport with a postseason that is subjectively selected, and as long as there are no objective criteria for selection it will continue to be biased which means no one outside of the B10/SEC has a chance to earn anything. I love the Big Ten and graduated from a Big Ten school (MSU), but whats happening right now is absolutely ruining the sport.
Idk if the Big 2 understand like in my case, once you put WVU in an entirely different division, I don’t care about the other division at that point. It has nothing to do with WVU so honestly at that point I don’t care 🤷♂️ . And most fans are like me I think.
Yeah, I root for KU and, by extension, the Big 12 conference. And if I'm mad at the Big 2, I'd make a point of never watching their games.
I walked away from the nfl in 96. Goodbye sec/b10
The logic displayed here is hard for me to wrap my head around. It's like their getting angry and trying to stop rain from falling. They're upset that a gap is growing, and they don't want the other 2 conferences to keep climbing the ladder. The top 25 most viewed college football games in 2023 says it all. Outside of the B1G & SEC, and the teams leaving to join those conferences... only 2 of the top 25 games didn't have either of those conferences in them. And they were both Colorado (Prime Time effect).
The fact that the B1G & SEC doesn't want other conferences taking credit for the playoff viewership numbers that they generated. Which is proven because they can't generate those number on their own. Which is similar to the FSU situation.
How does someone justify even revenue split? If they're so worried about a gap being formed, why aren't they advocating for the G5 & ND to all get even distribution? They complained about access, and they were given access. Now they want even distribution! In football metrics, any football grading scale... how are they even? besides the number of teams.
It seems like they're upset that a natural gap is forming. And by their own admission, "can't fill the gap." So let's call them greedy. As if the shoe was on the other foot, they would do things differently.
Seems like the only ones that will look bad in all of this is the SEC and big10 just let them leave the big 12 and ACC and the rest of the g5 schools could do their own thing
The G-8 Spring College Football League would be dope.
Keep wondering if the B12/ACC/G5 call the B1G/SEC/ESPN/FOX bluff if they end up getting some BIG/SEC schools choose to leave to appropriately prioritize athletics behind academics.
Why would anyone leave the B1G or SEC? Why would they want to earn less revenue and become irrelevant?
@@roris5882 It's possible, but it would require disgruntled, big name programs in the B1G / SEC to start discussing the formation of a new conference with Notre Dame, Florida State, Miami and a willing partner like Netflix or Apple tv or the Peacock network right now. If Nebraska were placed in a division where they had to play all the west coast teams, and/or Texas A&M wanted retribution over the addition of Texas to the SEC, and/or Tennessee decided they needed a fresh start, the rogue conference suddenly has enough weight to start challenging the BIG 2.
Tennessee doesn’t need a fresh start.
@@roris5882 You are focusing on athletics. I could see a scenario where a Northwestern or Vanderbilt decide their priorities don’t align with the end product here. It wouldn’t be the first time.
@@Dad84 What's your point? They were hypothetical examples.
The only way the Big 12 and ACC schools could keep up with the B1G and ACC is to have their state and local governments step in and provide some funding.
Yeah, beg the taxpayers...
Agreed! When Vandy can come down and just pay your players a ton more to play for them....then why even act like its all still possible for all of us. Let them break away! Would be terrific if we all also boycotted their games!!!
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The SEC and Big 10 may hold all the cards right now, but they seem hell bent on damaging their brand and image with every single person outside their two conferences. I don't see how this is good for them long term.
Exactly. Let them go. It’ll be the XFL 2.0
It will be the 50 most valuable schools. So they will have all the best players and teams by 2026.
Exactly
Be careful what you wish for! You might get it and discover that it’s even worse that what you thought it would be if SEC/B1G had got what they want!
the matchups this year between B1G and $EC were mostly very boring games.
@@StageCoachMedia3656 but watched by many millions of people and yielding great ratings.
Nah. Let them move on. ESPN can control them (SEC/B1G). There is absolutely value in the schools "left behind". Another media partner would pick up the G7. I'd definitely watch as I'm a college football fan. Realistically does a university like Kansas ever have a chance at winning the national title. If the remainder schools broke off and formed their own playoff system with relegation mixed in. That'd totally be exciting.
A 50 team Super League and a G-8 Spring College Football League would be awesome because football fans would be able to watch it all year long.
The reason the playoff contract is so big is because of the big ten and the sec. Those two leagues are bringing the the biggest fan bases and tv footprints so it is right for them to get more money since they are the reason for the big contract in the first place.
And if they break up the existing format, they'll still get the same money. So they'll be good. No need for the rest of us to be involved.
@@lawrenceksyahoocom The B1G and SEC will actually double their playoff revenue if they have their own playoff system because they aren't sharing anything with the G-8s and the TV networks are willing to pay a premium for a better product with larger fan bases.
Time to get a panel with g5 fcs schools in on discussion
The G-8 Spring College Football League
The BIG 12 fans who think they should just walk away from the BIG10 and SEC and tell them to kick rocks need to think long term about this. Your media deal does not last forever! You're gonna have to start negotiating a new one in about 5 years. If the Power 2 break away and form their own playoff and the BIG 12 is in a different playoff with a diminished ACC and group of 5 schools it will severely impact the value of your next media rights deal.
Probably true. You have to do the same thing. If your ancillary viewership drops and you aren’t part of the NCAA B Ball Tournament, you will also be making less money in the future.
The NCAA also generates 1 Billion annually.
The playoff shouldn’t be guaranteed to anyone other than the conference champion. Every other invite should be based on merit. Top 12 teams no matter what conference affiliation. The SEC/B10 will get plenty of teams in normally and that should determine how much playoff money each conference generates annually.
If they want to strong arm everyone, yes I would rather they break completely away and play each other only.
The rest will hold their own playoff, continue the NCAA Tournament.
That way each league can compete at a level that is more competitive and equitable.
The biggest issue for the mid and lower teams in the SEC/B10 is they will still never be competitive. The same 10 teams will always win the championship.
I think that will become stale after the newness wears off and all the chest pumping dies down.
Meanwhile there will still be parity in the future B12, etc. Which is far more attractive to fans. Personally I hope it happens.
@@scarcheer7211 If North Carolina ends up in the BIG 10 or SEC then those conferences would have 4 of the 5 schools with the most NCAA Men's basketball championships all time. They don't need the NCAA tournament. It's actually the opposite. Good luck getting any credibility to a basketball championship without blue bloods like Kentucky, UCLA, Indiana, and UNC in it.
@@scarcheer7211 If North Carolina ends up in the BIG 10 or SEC then those conferences will have 4 out of the 5 schools with the most NCAA men's basketball championships all time. They will not need the NCAA, it'll actually be the opposite way around. Good luck getting any credibility for a championship tournament without blue bloods like Kentucky, UCLA, Indiana, and North Carolina apart of it.
Once people realize that it is simply pro ball they will balk at ticket pricing and if ALL other teams blackball them they will eventually fail as fans want to root for their school, not for mercenary athletes selling to the highest bidder without pretense of being a student athlete.
@@terrencenewman5580 Moreover, the future ACC and the current BIGEAST would not favor some tournament without the P2 over a P2 competing invitational. BIG12 fans think that the B12 isn't disposable when it is. Even though a number of big overall brands have sucked in men's basketball of late (as has the P2 in general), they are still more valuable to a tournament than the overrated BIG12 teams on their current peak.
Those B2 have been paying players for decades. That is why they have gotten to this point. Look at one case comparison.
USC with Bush and Auburn with Newton.
Total BS!
Big two are probably already designing a governance framework to replace the ncaa.
Also if I'm a big 10 or sec school I can recruit and offer money to a recruit even if I know that kid is not going to be a starter just so he/she doesn't go to a rival school or conference
Listening to these options feels like they think it’s a privilege to play against anyone in the “Big 2” conferences. And anyone not in the Big 2 should be questioning their sanity if they don’t accept these terms. At this point let them go and stop gaslighting the rest of CFB. Can’t imagine their product suddenly getting better with only 28 teams total to always be playing against. They can have the same 4-6 teams always win their new NFL lite and lose the rest of their schools fanbases caring either.
The Super League will probably have the 50 most valuable schools in it. So they will have 99% of the fans and all the best playersvand teams.
The last game I watched that had a SEC team was LSU @UCLA and they got whooped. Explains why they don't travel past Jerry's World. Last B1G I watched was Ohio State v. Oregon and they lost too.
I don't watch SEC or Big XII games anyway so they don't get my Nielson Rating.
Side Note: I did watch Ohio State and Penn State in the Rose Bowls v. Utah since I'm a Utes fan.
GO UTES!
Could it ever come down to these two leaving, and then the NCAA leaves them out of all the other tournaments in all the other sports, both men and women??
I hope so
No, the NCAA could not be foolish to try that or do that, and crybabies like the Big12 would not want that either. The best thing is to have full access and disclosure but if the BiG10 and SEC want to separate, let them. In 4-5 years they will rehash that idiotic decision and realize more money to be made with the G5 and Big12 and ACC in football than without. Now if they break away from the NCAA, then it might be possible. But a lot of rules and regulations and restrictions and penalties for the schools staying in the NCAA systems and for those who are not. This also means the federal government would have to get involved and regulate much of this to really protect the NCAA system and schools staying on and those leaving the NCAA systems. The SEC and BiG10 and any other conference or colleges involved would take a big hit but so would all the schools staying under the NCAA umbrella systems, and now the government is involved. Do you or anyone else really want that chaos of organization and control involved? There are many other ways to stick it to the P2 conferences than that.
No, I think that we'll stick it to them that way. Except for NCAA bit. Why would the ACC and Big 12 need them?@@michaelwall3393
The NCAA needs the B1G and SEC, the B1G and SEC don't need the NCAA because they already have most of the largest fan bases.
Yea...that is not what the rest of CFB needs. They will command more money apart from the rest of the conferences. That will make the rest of the conferences seem like the NIT in basketball. Who wants to watch the NIT when the NCAA games are on? No one.....except the fan bases of the NIT schools. That's what will happen.
I think that it will be more like NBA vs. college basketball. And if the SEC and B1G are lousy at basketball, no doubt they can just buy better players. I watch a game because I have a rooting interest in my team and conference.
No, I'll quit watching SEC and Big10 games, and I'm a life long SEC fan. F-em !!!
@@lawrenceksyahoocom Exactly what I just said. You watch because of your team. You and every other fan will watch an SEC vs B1G playoff though. They won't watch your team in a lesser conference even though you will. The "EYES" have it....pun intended.
I think they should call the new conference the Big sac
ESPN FOX sec big 10 have been destroying collage football.
The Big12, ACC, G5, and NCAA need to treat this as the war that it is. What leverage against the BiG and SEC do the others have? Cutting off play against the BiG/SEC in every sport would hurt them. The only way to get the BiG/SEC reasonable in college football being to hurt them everywhere else. Isolate them entirely and see what happens.
Won’t happen but it is frustrating.
Nothing happens
What did anyone expect after Texas and Oklahoma left and the top 4 PAC12 programs leave? Why treat the P12 and B12 the same after losing value? Is this a charity?
Big 12 got their current media knowing Texas and Oklahoma were not part of the deal. What would change?
Florida State should remain in the ACC and renegotiate the contract. If they enter the SEC or the Big Ten, they’ll never see another playoff game again.
Lol. Salty dudes are kinda feminine.
😂 do you realize how dumb this statement is. You obviously don’t get it.
Opinion not fact!
It could be a fact, but it is an opinion!
@@davidtemple2831 Salty guys are feminine but maybe that was a woman so I guess I don't know.
@nole74 these days one never knows.
If it happens, there will be two divisions of college football, the SEC/B1G and everyone else.
It will be like the NCAA and the NIT in basketball.
Everyone throwing a temper tantrum and saying the SEC and B1G should just leave and ya’ll will be fine without them need a reality check. If the conferences can’t come to an agreement and they leave, they’re taking 80% of the football audience with them. Athletic department revenues would tank and the sports that aren’t cut will need to be heavily subsidized. That’s why the presidents and athletic directors will never allow that to happen. An agreement is going to be made and the terms are going to favor the SEC and B1G, it’s just a matter of by how much.
Nonsense. If it's roughly the same money either way, there is no reason to stay. Unless you're already a B1G or SEC fan, you'll never watch another one of their games. Just like some people watch college basketball but not pro basketball. There's no rooting interest. No reason to watch.
It would be interesting to see if your supposition is correct. You may not be completely wrong, but I do ultimately believe the remaining schools left behind would be ok. Another media partner could pick them up. It might be exciting to see a University like West Virginia or NC State actually have a chance to win it all. Currently those type of schools have almost zero chance of winning the national title in today's NIL and media payout disparities.
Group of 5 should have done it years ago. Break away from the so-called power schools.
It will force ND to join a conference
I'm okay with the power to leaving and throwing their own thing... let d big 12 and the rest of the other conferences start their own League
Sec and big 10 are going to ruin college football and the commissioners of those conferences are to blame.
They already have
What if they do leave and start anew, but invite the other conferences?
@@zophix-5741 what was the point of all the conference realignment then?
I blame the other conferences for making the SEC share all the CFP money the past 14 years while the SEC clearly dominated the sport. Give it back and maybe there’ll be a better chance for a real solution. LOL
@@jansonroberts2616 yea as soon as Vanderbilt Rutgers and Maryland give up all the money they've been stealing from the SEC and big10
Hey B1G and SEC, kick rocks.
F the Big 10 and SEC!
The G-8s best players and coaches will kick rocks too because they are going to the Super League to maximize their compensation and get better exposure to raise their draft stock, while competing against better players.
Bye Felicia
Aww we so sad lol. Be gone peasants BIG 10 and SEC taking over hahahahaha y'all mad
College football exists between two fantasies: the 'student athlete' and the 'level playing field'.
Who knows what will happen. If the p2 take their ball, and go home, who will televise the other conferences? Fox and espn are in bed with the p2. As it is now, between NIL and the CFP drama, it will be difficult for most of the remaining schools to keep up. I think some fans want to do our own thing. It is more like college football we grew up loving, instead of being nfl, jr.
The lower tier networks will want non-P2 content, but this is why smaller regional Tier 2 conferences with round robin schedules make more sense than the large/wide new BIG12. Regional rivals are of higher fan interest and would be solid counter programming at the regional level.
1. Outside of the top 4 schools in each B1G and SEC those teams are mid.
2. Teams like Utah FSU Clemson Kstate have proven they can beat the top teams in both “big boys”.
3. If they leave in football what’s making the ncaa keep them in other sports
Most of the best athletic departments will be in the P2. The NCAA without those programs would just be managing a Division 2 without them.
Schools that finished 8x or more in the D-Cup Top 10 (1993/4 - 2022/23)
ACC: 4 (STANFORD, UNC, UVA, CAL)
SEC: 3 (TEXAS, FLORIDA, GEORGIA)
B1G: 5 (UCLA, MICH, USC, OHSTATE, PSU)
B12: 1 (ARIZ)
The NCAA was the catalyst for the football breakaway to begin with. Proposed it actually. And of the schools you listed, Clemson is the only one to have proved anything within the past 5 years. If this was about historical significance, Yale would be front and center in this. They’ve won the most National Championships in football recognized by the NCAA.
Meanwhile the G5 & Pac2....
I agree… eff the SEC and B1G
Guess it it is time to switch over to watch the FCS schools. The place that worked all this stuff out decades ago and have a real playoff.
If the SEC and Big 10 go off on their own, I would encourage ALL other college football teams to never schedule with them ever again!!!!
And they then ,the others lose money
Come on guys...the world is changing the P2 will not have the corner on the fun factor and isn't
that what college sports is all about? Millions of fans still have fun at HS games.
If the B1G and SEC do seperate they will probably grab a few teams from the Big 12 and ACC to kill those 2 conferences. TV would be against that though.
Has anyone ever looked at a map of these two conferences? People will still be watching if Iowa State or Arizona State isn’t given a chance.
Iowa has a larger fan base then Iowa State. One of the Arizona schools will probably be part of the 50 team Super League because the Phoenix Metro Area is valuable.
@@roris5882 I'd agree with Arizona if they can find a way to break that connection between the two schools. Arizona has a better shot at going, but if they think Arizona State can be drug with them they are sorely mistaken. Arizona State could be the reason neither goes.
If it's all about the money, then it's going to get ugly, if it isn't already ugly.
Guys, right now, the Big 12 is in the process of doing more disruptive innovations like Big 12 - Mexico and Rucker Park than any league in the nation. What if the Big 12 has success with Mexico and then goes to South America, Canada, and across the globe. Now, we have a far greater audience than the SEC and Big 10 combined for ESPN International (not ESPN, Inc) with televised games broadcast in multiple languages and a great many other podcasts with those languages. For centuries, disruptive innovation has always displaced those leading the competition with the most revenues. Right now, our strategic advantage in this international expansion effort are the members of those religions who sponsor a number of our Big 12 member schools like Baylor, BYU, and TCU. Neither the SEC nor the B1G can even compete because they lack the religious affiliations members to compete. Such a draw has the potential of bringing Notre Dame or Duke (Catholics) to the table to participate with us in the Big 12.
Don't underestimate the amount of capital available to international religions institutions such as Baylor or BYU. Religious institutions have far more influence and financial support through tithes than you can imagine. How do you suppose BYU and Notre Dame has survived Independence if it was not from their sponsoring religions?
Let the SEC and b1G leave and form their own league! Their challenge in doing so means that the rest of the leagues can still hold a championship to play the winner out of the SEC and B1G. If such a championship does not happen then their championship becomes irrelevant and not recognized.
What if the B1G and SEC start having games in Canada and Mexico?
I remember when the PAC had this great idea to go to China and were going to play some games there and were going to transcend their conference with wealth. Still waiting for that day to come…..not.
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If the gap continues to widen eventually the only fans who will care about the playoffs will be Big 10 and SEC fans and Im not sure that will be enough to keep fueling their payday so I say fans just need to turn TV's off and only watch your conference and let them figure out how to pay the big 2 with only their fans watching
Take the pledge!
That's why there will be separate playoffs for the Tier 1 and another for everyone else.
Why would anybody care about a CFB league if their school or their kids school wasn’t in it on a level playing field. There is already an NFL. This is so wrong it is missing the point.
Uh, there are different divisions to college athletics. Always will be because the level of competition is different as well as the resources to compete in college athletics. No one is going to be kept from competing at whatever level these schools end up playing at.
I see your perspective. Fan base is lost at a national level. Thanks.
CAN'T SEE THE THE FOREST FOR THE TREES... Any talk from the s e c and big ten about leaving is completely short sighted and in the end will result in fewer fans and fewer dollars spent by the Networks for rights. I believe that if all major college football schools would join together as the NFL did, it would be better for all and all would make more money.
We need a relegation system like in the premier league!
Won’t happen with SEC but maybe some of the other conferences could consider it. The SEC isn’t relegating founding members and the SEC has by laws to protect its membership.
someone is hurt
Gators go 8-4 and win there bookends Miami and FSU. Miami and FSU finish #1 and #2 in ACC. Gators beating FSU and Miami is easier then only losing 4 SEC games. This is why 3322 format is actually tilted unfairly against the SEC and Big10 and benefits the BIG12 and ACC. Why should the Big12 and ACC 1 and 2 teams have such an easy ride to the playoffs? The ACC and Big12 should take the deal. It’s a tiered system. What about the Sunbelt?
I say, let them go. Boycott watching them on TV. The media does not have the money. We have the money in our pockets. I'm tired of the threats. Enough already! I've stopped following sports a couple of times in the past. It's not a big deal to boycott these rascals. They're crooks. We can get the ball rolling. Remember, we have the money. Not them. Vaughn
😂 over 50% of all views are watching 19 teams. 65% of fans only watch on traditional cable forums CBS/ABC/FOX. They don’t need the Big12/ACC views, but they will still get them. The boycotters won’t do anything.
Once people realize that it is simply pro ball they will balk at ticket pricing and if ALL other teams blackball them they will eventually fail as fans want to root for their school, not for mercenary athletes selling to the highest bidder without pretense of being a student athlete.
It already is pro ball.
Where was this logic and look out for the greater good when tl the B12 went after the Pac-12 teams..hmmmm ??
Hypocrisy is the answer
SIMPLE HAVE THE NON CONFERENCE GAMES LATER IN THE SEASON WITHOUT IMPACT ON CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP PLAY AND HAVE NON CON GAMES LATER WITH IMPACT ON PLAYOFFS
I commend you for trying to offer a solution, most only complain about the problems without offering any alternatives.
The reasons you typically don't play non-conference late in the year is because of the weather. Next year, Alabama plays Wisconsin at Wisconsin. If that was played in November or December, the advantage goes to Wisconsin. On the flip side, if they had to go to Alabama that time of year, the weather wouldn't be a factor. Plus, that's typically when rivalries are played. And being able to disappoint your rivals just means more. Look at Florida vd FSU last year. FSU prevented Florida from being bowl eligible with their backup QB. That had to feel good, that wouldn't feel the same week's earlier.
My solution is 0 auto bids... NONE! Top 12, 14, or 16 get it. Structure payment by round. The longer you go, the more that conference makes.
I am so tired of hearing about the greed of the BIG 2. Tell them to take their toys and go home. They can be like a minor league for the NFL. The rest of us will be college football with our own championships and our on fans.
I didn’t hear any talk of greed the past two decades that the SEC has dominated college football yet shared equally amongst all the other conferences. Not even a thank you or any appreciation shown whatsoever. SMH. It’s time for change.
And be mediocre at beat
My thought is Big and SEC are ruining college football and they need to understand that a lot of fans like myself won’t watch them.
It is not the hard core B12 fan that.tjeybcare about. The casual fan who just watches the big brands makes the money
I doubt that care
This kind of stuff makes me wanna stop watching CFB. At least the NFL has some parity with a salary cap and a draft.
Let them go. If they alienate 70% of the college football fanbase that's a big chunk of people that will go out of their way not to watch them.
Stand your ground big 12. Sec won't survive without the big12 and acc
After the SEC has already taken most of the top from the BIG12 and will get some of the top from the ACC, why would the SEC no survive without any of the remainders?
What a crock
Big 12 is nobetter than ghesunbelt conf
Great , can't screw up college football much worse.
All the teams in the BIG and SEC with no playoff or bowl success and spoon feed generational wealth teams pretty much.
Thank you for your daily whine. I can only find your kind of superb whine from B12 sites: You, Kurtz, Toll.
I imagine y’all will take a financial hit when it all shakes out and settles down.
Until then, thanks and carry on.
I want college football not NFL lite
yep.
But the B12 has a nfl type conference in geography.
50 Team Super League
Goodbye all other sports. Football and Men's Basketball only.
If the secplayed 9 conference games then we can talk.
That is an unfair buisness model for the big 12 and acc. Why would you agree to something like that. You will widening the money disparity year over year what kind of for profit business does that.
Big 12 who's that go over there and cry😂
Look let them walk, nobody is just going to become Arkansas fan while they go to Boise. Everyone knows that product will be mediocre and every league outside of those 2 need to keep claiming it to the point that it becomes true and it will become true because the product doesn’t get better against engineered competition where the big 12 and other teams play true football. You only lose if you believe you lost, it’s like that with everything in life so don’t bend over backwards
You think B12 recruiting stinks now? Just wait...
Don’t under any circumstances watch their games unless they are playing a B12 team. Hurt them in their ratings! If nobody watches but their fans it is bound to hurt them!
lol I think the Big 12 schools will be hurt more if fans of SEC and B1G schools reciprocate that sentiment. More importantly Big 12 will be hurt even more when casual fans stop watching Bug 12, because SEC/B1G refuse to schedule non-conference games with Big 12 schools.
We will never watch another B1G or SEc game. See how well that works out for you long term. @@haroldflashman4687
Let them leave.
3 3 2 2 1 does not give anyone double the teams. How many years during the CFP era has the B1G had less than 3 teams in the top 14? How about the SEC? For the SEC never.
The courts have created this mess. No limits on NIL. No limits on transfers. Judges and politicians who know nothing about college sports are ignoring the universities and the fan base. Without the fan base, there is no money for players - or coaches.
Fine let every player get $10,000 or $20,000 per year, which would help all athletes. The current structure favors the handful of stars and really no one else. All based on judicial decisions.
That's what we call capitalism, folks. Why shouldn't a kid take a $1 million if somebody will pay him that much. That kid is generating millions in TV revenue. If someone offers you a big raise, shouldn't you be free to take it?
This isnt College sports anymore.
Hasn't been for half a century
G5 may as well just drop football. No way they can survive that kind of disparity.
That’s stupid to think they will drop football, that’s what the Marxist networks would like but it won’t happen
G5 schedules would likely improve after the Tier 1 separates, as the Tier 2 will need to play G5s more often.
@@tarheel7406 Won't be enough money to compete. G5 will be getting unranked recruits because of NIL. I think many will just get out of football all together. You just can't concentrate all the money to 2 conferences and expect anyone else to just become cannon fodder to pad their wins.
@@dg1019 The Tier 2 BIG12 and ACC will be in the same boat. Tier 2 football recruiting will be similar to non-revenue sports, but should still be a revenue sport.
Yes, trash teams left behind.
They need to leave
I won't watch the SEC or Big 10 greedy aholes
The Big12 is the reason all of this has accelerated. The direct cause of all if this is the Big12.
Entitled people always find a way to fail
No Big No sec No viewers
Our media deals don't have anything to do with schools in Alabama or Ohio.
@@lawrenceksyahoocom good luck
You guys struggle to make the Big 12 on the same level of BiG and SEC. Championships,historical records, TV views, any relevant metric says Big 12 is NOT at that level. American enterprise rewards excellence and penalizes mediocrity. Sorry fellows, your argument is weak and only getting weaker.
You're right. Bye-bye.
Civilly you guys are nothing but whiners. Make your RUclips money and leave the SEC and B1G alone. Maybe you can start playing some high schools.
I agree. We will leave you alone.
The trickle-down effect by just a CFP separation of the SEC/B1G to other sports (basketball, baseball, non-revenue Olympic sports) is huge - eventually because of the disparity, they can then buy the best athletes for all of those sports and not just destroy college football, but the other sports as well. The best path for anyone not named Sankey/Pititti is if they want to separate, they separate in all sports. Agree with other comments - schedule no out-of-conference games with either the B1G or SEC and watch their relevance diminish. A true national champion in any sport can't come from 34 schools but could come from the other 100+ D1 schools. I'd also slap a class action anti-trust suit on them from all the other conferences and the NCAA (to include D2 and D3 shools) and watch them squirm. They are overplaying their hand because they think they are untouchable. They are not. Hubris will be their downfall.
No one’s being kept from competing in college athletics, hence no anti trust suits.
@@jansonroberts2616 Definition of antitrust - Antitrust laws prohibit anticompetitive conduct and mergers that can harm consumers, taxpayers, and workers. That's the very definition of what the SEC and B1G are doing. They would be creating an unfair advantage harming the other conferences and schools from competing on a somewhat even level.