I'm 76 and began keto and now carnivore in 2019 when I was diagnosed with fatty liver disease. Since then, I have lost 50 pounds, cured my liver and begun exercising again resulting in significant muscle gain.
Outstanding ! You are giving this 56 yo kid with A fibrillation hope. I am back in the gym 3 times a week and doing carnivore twice a day depending on workouts.
Dr Chafee claims he gave up 🥬🥦 and quintupled his meat calories ( 5x) and lost 10 kg ( over 20 pounds ) in 10 days . What did you do wrong to get these medicore gains compared to the good Dr , or is the good Dr pants on 🔥 instead ? The above is easily verifiable on YT .
So have I, and I've only been doing it for about a month. I haven't changed my training routine, but I went from low carb OMAD to beef+eggs carnivore OMAD. I do not track my weight, but I already noticed bigger arms in the mirror compared to pre-carnivore. Can still lift the same weights as before. I think I hit a plateau, but switching to carnivore seems to have stimulated growth with all the pure protein I'm eating without the anti-nutrients. Can't wait to see how things will progress.
@@LuigiCG that's one I've never heard of. Looks like an intense bodyweight routine. I do kettlebell and bodyweight plans from StrongFirst. They have this antiglycolytic approach that's very good for what I need.
My lazy ass has build so much muscle doing precisely nothing on carnivore that my legs actually hurt for how freaking tight and lean they are from the sudden muscle gain. Besides, the idea that you need _carbohydrates_ to build muscle and not _protein_ which is made of muscle is fairly non-sensical
I've never put on muscle as easily as I do now. It's amazing. And with not that much effort. I did Atkins before on and off for 20 years and never put on muscle like this. No matter how much training I did. My metobilosm is finally functioning properly now. Thank you Dr Baker!
My personal trainer can't get his head around the fact that I have energy without carbs. We have an upcoming powerlifting competition and he wants me to eat carbs for energy. I will just have to show him you don't need no dang carbs!
He's used to working with athletes that need big bursts of quick energy, hope you do well might show that even athletes don't need to carb load for performance.
The old exercise low carb diets studies only lasted about 2 or 3 weeks. Which is the time needed to fully convert to ketones. Some people take a month. Which is why they think you need carbs.
Dr Chafee claims he gave up 🥬🥦 and quintupled his meat calories ( 5x) and lost 10 kg ( over 20 pounds ) in 10 days . What did you do wrong to get these medicore gains compared to the good Dr , or is the good Dr pants on 🔥 instead ? The above is easily verifiable on YT .
I'm 71, been on carnivore (mostly) for 2 years. I'm now able to do things I couldn't before. This morning I restacked a wood pile and repaired a fence, along with chasing goats! 2 years ago....No Way!
One thing I know for sure is plant based results in sarcopenia. Through carnivore I've been able to restore 75% to 80% of what I lost without weight gain.
I'm 43. I train hard daily. I used to eat what I want and carbs just made my muscles look fuller. Now they just bloat me up ,and, makes me feel unathletic and tired. I used to be a personal trainer and never understood trainers who were out of shape, more so, how they ever got clients. Point being, if someone looks as good as you (regardless of age), I will listen. Let's see how this effects my training. I only 'accidentaly' started this because I forgot to buy rice and sweet potatoes! 😂
I'm 45yo, I was fat b4 carnivore while working out daily, now I'm carnivore I barely work out but I'm lean and can see my viens and abs popping out,life's great 😊
60 years old - carnivore diet Today PB : Dead lift 280 lbs x 3 reps Day 109: Dead lift 185 lbs Day 111: Dead lift 200 lbs Day 114: Knee injury ACL (40 days off) Day 156: Dead lift 205 lbs Day 159: Dead lift 215 lbs Day 180: Dead lift 230 lbs Day 183: Dead lift 255 lbs Day 189: Dead lift 260 lbs Day 192: Dead lift 270 lbs Day 196: Dead lift 275 lbs Day 200: Dead lift 280 lbs
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I built muscle quicker with carbs, but I also over ate so I also put on fat, when I would lower calories, even only moderately those muscles would also shrink and were hard to retain. Same if I lowered the intensity of my training. With carnivore the muscle growth is slower but it’s adding lean mass. Not only that the muscles are much harder and denser and I have got much stronger, even with only moderate growth. My tendon strength has got substantially stronger, I arm wrestle and climb so it’s very noticeable. It’s also visible. More interestingly even if I fast, or take a break from training that muscle retains its size and its hardness. I don’t lose much strength and that strength comes back very quickly. Whereas before with carbs I had to build that strength back up slowly over months. My stamina and endurance is also better. I think if you want to get your muscles as big as you can carbs can help. But if you just want to get stronger, with harder muscles and tendons,that retain their size, with better stamina, it’s better without carbs. This is only an anecdotal case, but it’s very noticeable.
This is it ! I'm enjoying slow growth but noticed I'm just more stronger. And people forget on carnivore you are recovering wayyy faster too which a lot of people don't mention.
your experience is the same as mine. however id add, it’s not that the carbs are helping you put muscle on faster, it’s that they enable you to have my glycogen storage so u look and feel fuller with more water in your muscles, hence the fluctuations. real muscle fibres wouldn’t shrink unless ur in a catabolic state for a prolonged period. but the glycogen gives the illusion of more muscle being built. when eating carnivore, it’s purely new muslce tissue being added without the excess superficial mass
While I believe individuals can gain a certain amount of natural lean mass on a carnivore diet(with almost zero carbs), i cannot speak or vouch for it personally as i have been working out since age 13 & am now rapidly approaching 48 years young. As such, i can however say at a minimum i have had zero issues regaining previously built lean muscle(some of which i had lost during the covid plandemic). I am now a very lean 175-180lbs at 5’10”. The differences are now have the most consistent chiseled midsection year round & deep muscle separation/definition in my back, shoulders, arms & legs. So much so, that many people at my gym refuse to believe that I am natural(have been all my life), they believe that someone my age has to be on gear or TrT to look as jacked as i do to them. Very sad, that many people(especially younger people) just do not wanna believe that over 30 years of hitting the gym 6 days/week & prioritizing protein(especially with carnivore diet last 2 years) with proper rest n lifestyle has allowed me to build a decent natural physique at this stage of my life by God’s Grace. Continued thanx Dr Baker for your continued restless attempts to help humanity live optimally. Godspeed🥩💪👍🥩
Love carnivore, keeps me angry and strong. No other diet has ever been able to bring out so much of my animalistic behavior. From "nerd" to beast mood. Live it. Finally able to go to the gym with energy and pissed off at the world. Finally able to break new PRs.
Started carnivore last May. Since that time I gained over 15lbs and I am now close to 155lbs at 5'11". I was lean back then and I am lean now, although slightly less, so yes, I did put on at least 10lbs of pure muscle mass on 0 carbs. Just red meat and lots of workout
At 42 I can tell you keep doing it man. I'm 5'11 grew up on crap fast food. After mom got cancer started paying attention. All through junior high and highschool lean at 135lbs tiny. I'm running 199lbs now. Functional muscle still some fat, but working on it. Going carnivore. Stay strong and pay attention to pain and listen to instincts don't push because of pressure or influence. Hope you hit your goals!
@@BigHairyDwarf I'm a 6ft male, 188# and looking to get to at least 200#. How did you determine your caloric and macro intake? And, are you "strict" carnivore? Appreciate any insights
@@nymode Not strict carnivore. I try to pay attention to my body and how it reacts to anything. I'm no guru. I gained weight originally the hard way by just eating in my 20s till I gained weight and kind of hated food. Then I found it's harder to lose as I got older once you gain. Too much good info on the net now to do it that way. I stick to organic beef and eggs from Walmart or Krogers. I also eat off and on sweet potatoes, carrots, avocados. I don't fear veggies, but I don't make them the core of my intake. Once you stop buying all the junk food it's not as expensive as some think. Also filling up on meat keeps your appetite in control better anyway. I don't pay attention to amounts. When I started carnivore. I would fast most of the day then dinner I would eat 1lb of beef and like 6 eggs or just two pounds of beef. I didn't stay on that and made two meals out of it. Lunch and Dinner. I fast from 6 pm to 10 or 11 am. I use spices and try as much as possible to stick with organics. Some believe organic is a buzz word, but for me the taste is night and day. The cheaper meat and stuff is not an issue just try and use as healthy options as possible with what you can. Exercise: Athlean-X Jeff Cavaliere, RP with Dr. Mike Israetel, etc. I don't do T or Roids so my recovery won't match up to many of these fitness experts. I have to listen to when my body hurts. I do slow controlled reps and I don't worry about high counts. I have a 3-5-7-12 policy. I you are doing 12 with ease up the weight. If you want to just stay in a fixed body state stick to five or 7 and slow those reps as needed for resistance. All opinion and personal choice I am not an expert. If you have trouble with motivation find that one exercise you love, or even a couple and you can always come back to that to stay in motion. Get your rest day or days. On a side not I work two physical jobs. Custodian for a school and repair and lawn care for a storage place. These places are big so I do loads of walking. I'm just sharing that to put in perspective what off side exercise I get. If you have any other questions. Feel free to let me know. As stated I am not a pro, expert, or guru. I learned from my own choices and experiences. Best of luck to you and your goals. I've enjoyed my journey I hope you do as well.
Well I'm a 66 next month yr old grandma who lost 95 pounds went from a size 22 to a 8 and I'm seeing definition in my arms . They were big flabby mess now they are small still flabby but smaller and the muscles are showing. I don't use heavy weights but even though I'm seeing a diffrence. I❤ 🥩🥓🧀🍗🥩🥩🥩🥩 and a little bit of ☕
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@@PrimalEater Sure, but on average you lose muscle as you age, and adding muscle gets much harder the older you get for various reasons. So this is impressive.
after two weeks on carnivore noticed that I no longer struggled ALL day to keep good posture, I struggled with this for years. Thats how fast my back muscles strengthened. after 3 weeks I can lift 3 bags of dog food to the car with no straining at all 😅
I've been doing carnivore for 6 weeks and I've seen more progress in that time than previous YEARS worth of workouts. It's absurd to even suggest that building muscle will be hard/impossible when you're eating 120g< of protein.
If your calories are low enough, it is absolutely not absurd to suggest you can’t build muscle. If you’re a fatty or a newbie, the same rules don’t apply. But for any of us that are in reasonably good shape and have regularly trained, you need the requisite calories to go along with it. Protein alone is not enough. That’s still possible on this type of diet of course, but it can be an issue for some folks to get enough calories when the foods they eat are so satiating already
You gain muscle with enough protein. Then you just need an energy source, fat or carbs. I run better on fat. 60 years old definitely stronger and more energy since transitioning to keto then carnivore.
I have found that strength gains are great on the carnivore diet. It's easy for me to feel a sort of positive aggression when I'm training. I also feel that positive aggression in the workplace. I feel like I don't get beat down by stress as easily and handle conflict reasonably. Before carnivore, I felt like I defaulted to panic mode.
I'm envious. My workouts are still abysmal one year in. No energy, little improvements. I can't delude myself that I'm just not fat adapted yet or anything like that. It just doesn't work that well for me. All the other benefits are great though so I will keep at it. Health gains > muscle gains.
@@Sylvinesame story for me, on long days of work + exercise I inevitably run into either what I assume is electrolyte issues or slow metabolism meaning I don't feel any real energy from what I eat I am also somehow more hungry in the morning on carnivore than if I had had carbs the night before.
Do not get sucked into a dogma. Some people do better with small amounts of sugar, even just 5g of sugar during workouts can be better for you. Tim Noakes showed that most of the times the "fatigue" is basically a sugar dip in the brain more than a muscle issue. If you've been in different diet for long carnivore will bring benefits but a full change may take very long.
Every body is different. Some tips will work for you, others not. You just have to find what works for you. I'm just 10 days in and I find that a small back of pork cracklins are very helpful in addition to electrolytes.
@@bthorn5035 Agree, also people underestimate how long it takes to completely transition to complete full carnivore. No one can expect to switch and be perfectly healthy in a short time after having abused food for decades. Healing takes time and effort.
I immediately could tell carnivore was building muscle. I noticed in my calves first. Larger and more defined then you could see it all over. Even in my stomach and sides. Arms now since I have been lifting weights. You can’t build muscle on a plant diet, even if you eat little meat. It’s gotta be carnivore or very low plant carb keto.
Excellent explanation!!! I believe that muscle gain on the carnivore diet together with the ketogenic diet remains much better, muscle building on the carbohydrate diet does not last long, muscle loss is very fast, on the carnivore diet with ketogenic the gain is much more sustainable, Muscle loss on a carbohydrate diet is much greater, On the carnivore and ketogenic diet, the pleasure of training is something that makes all the difference Recovery from training is a pleasant sensation and not painful, when training on a carbohydrate diet after training it feels like rubbish Gratitude Dr. Shawn Baker
I’m 122 days in on carnivore and I lost 5 pounds of fat and then put on 3 to 4 pounds of muscle. The muscle building is going great but I am working out 6 days a week
Carbohydrates also leads to the body storing more water, so they get a pumped/puffy or "jacked" look during and after workout. That isn't translating to muscle-building or actual strength gains. I have built way more muscle on carnivore/ketovore than I ever did with carbs, with the added benefit of having leaner abs, waist, and no puffiness around my face. Heck, even when I have been bad and stayed out of the gym for weeks, I didn't get a sloppy/fat look on carnivore; can't do that with carbs. You will get fat in a hurry eating carbs and not working out.
I've been skinny all my life and only discovered the carnivore diet late last year. Lost more weight. So I guess I need to increase my fat intake a bit and eat bigger portions. Also need to start lifting harder in the gym. At almost 51 years old, I am tired of being a skinny dude.
38 years old, 6 months carnivore. blew past my personal bests on squat, deadlift and bench from my early 20s less than 2 months into the diet. oh, and i weigh 20 lbs less than i did back then.
The Doc proves you can build muscle on Carnivore, and lots of it, but my experience is different (because individuals are different). I lost a lot of weight doing low carb high meat and I got very healthy. My weight and health have been stable for years and when I retired recently I had time to work out a lot more so I set about putting on muscle via more workouts with higher intensity. What happened was I actually started losing more weight and not putting on muscle. I tried eating even more meat and eggs but no dice. I even went pure Carnivore for a while and only saw a bit of difficulty with my bowel movements as a result. Finally about 1 1/2 years ago I experimented with adding more carbs to my diet, primarily potatoes, sprouted brown rice and sprouted whole grain bread, and bingo! I've put on just shy of 10 lbs of muscle on since then. At 60 I'm very happy with this result and am stronger yet leaner than I've been since my 20s. Human variation is very broad so your mileage may vary, and most likely *will* vary.
At 53 , I entirely rebuilt an atrophied right leg I couldn't use for 15 years. I did about a 2 blocks worth of uphill sprints this morning. Does that count as building muscle?
The mechanism behind the notion that carbs make one bigger and stronger could be thru their tendency to increase water retention in the muscles. "Pumps" are better and because the joints are fuller, some lifts, especially the bench press can benefit. Creatine may work in a similar manner.
Look at any big cat and the amount of muscle they have. If you can't build muscle without carbs, they would never get that big, or would just waste away.
I'm a female and build more muscles then I want, actually want to reduce, any suggestions? I'd like to eat carnivore but I bulk, as a female I just don't like it
I started Carnivore in January this year and being 66 years and female I didn't think I would gain muscle strength but after 5years of having to climb stairs leading with my right leg as my left leg tended to collapse I can now walk up the stairs normally (alternate legs) frankly I am amazed at how much strength I've got in both legs and no wobbles. Carnivore has so many unexpected benefits.
Good to read this. I'm 9 days in, and still feeling quite flu'ish and adapting to the virtual lack of carbs. Did you feel sort of feverish and a bit weak to start? And do you find it hard to eat enough? 😲
Ladynipchick2 you feel off colour when you hit ketosis for the first time. Your brain craves the carbs. When I started Carnivore I too felt hungry and had to eat more I aimed to get 40% of my food in before 3pm. But within 5 weeks I had adapted then I started losing the weight. I make Brown butter bites ( recipes on YT) which really helps upping the fat content so removing the craving. I do struggle getting adequate fat as I am not a fan of eggs. I now just eat one meal a day.
@@Ladynipchick2 Hello, Start the transition slowly, don't eliminate all carbohydrates together, and eat a variety of meats, preferably ruminant red meat Seek as much information as possible At the beginning of the diet, take electrolytes, magnesium and potassium help a lot, add a little more salt when preparing the meat, and after it's ready add a little more salt, these minerals help a lot Don't start straight with meat, remove industrialized carbohydrates as soon as possible, as they are hurting your internal organs, Carbohydrates when you have cravings, take magnesium when you feel like eating sweets etc... or eat meat to eliminate these vices, in my case I would add eggs, and when you eat carbohydrates don't blame yourself so much, just go back to the beginning of the game , It's part of winning with some losses at the beginning of the diet, below is an interesting text I hope I helped after 3 months for your question Below is a list of interesting information Hello!!! Most human beings spend years eating wrong, practically their entire lives and want to solve the entire problem in a few days or months. It won't be like this, there is a price to pay, each body is a universe, of inflammation and illnesses to correct. Time is the king of everything on earth, Wait and continue on the meat and fat diet, increase your animal fat, eat more fat than protein, eat a variety of red meat, if you can avoid pork!!! Do not give up!!! When your body starts to feel good, it will lose weight naturally. Detail: If you lose weight too quickly you may become flabby, so allow your body to make adjustments in each part. You will heal Just a matter of time!!! I was in severe deep depression, I am cured thanks to red beef, preferably Hope this helps!!!
There's a difference between big muscles and strong muscles. I think carnivore diet provides stronger muscles for the same size. Am I wrong? Would love to hear Dr.Baker on that.
Calorie surplus and adequate protein intake. What's the problem? The issue is people not being fat adapted anymore this day and age. Most gym goers can't push themselves to cause sufficient muscle breakdown and lack of energy from carb addiction and going off them makes it harder hence they think they can't build muscle.
For me, being 57, it is really about maintenance of muscle, being lean and burning fat. Vascularity over size is my preferance..I found carnivore diet with a bit of fruit (berries, avocado) perfect for my goals.
To make a long story short. I had nonclinical Cushing’s Syndrome that made me lose muscle mass. After feeling that my metabolic dyscrasia, through surgical intervention, was responding in a positive way I noted in my journal my thoughts back in September. Protein and fat should be consumed depending on the epigenetic goal you’re trying to evoke. If the carbs stay the same then it would seem to come down to types of proteins and fats. Soon I plan to increase my protein to hopefully increase my muscle mass. I did and am amazed it worked extremely well. At 67 I am putting on muscle with simple resistance exercises and walking. I know this isn’t in my head because others have noticed. I believe keeping muscle mass can be a hormonal issue too. My mainly carnivore diet allowed me to see the path in the forest.
I am 62 and on carnivore diet for a year. I work an extremely physical job and last year I was thinking of retiring becuase I was extremely weak and getting weaker. I don’t go to the gym, I just walk a lot and lift my clients. Now my job seems so easy and I am able to work like I did when I was twenty. I can lift huge buckets of water too without any issue. My arms have muscle definition. Carnivore builds muscle I am living proof of that. Also I am supposedly no longer able to build muscle at 62 and this is just not true. Meat and fat equals strength. Can you address the farmers strike that is happening in Europe and now Canada. The powers that be seem to want to make local farming and animal agriculture a thing of the past. We need to get involved for our healths sake.
I have put on 18 lbs in 6 months, including over an inch on my arms, neck and calves, and over two inches on my legs and chest, without any gains to my waist. I am actually leaning than when I started, more vascular with more visible striations. Strength has more than double in that time. I am 56 years old.
I am gaining muscle all over on carnivore I do eat avocado 🥑 and salsa and sometimes Brussels sprouts 5 pieces of pecans a day and 5 ounces of meat which is a small portion and I am 50 and still gained already muscle all over in just 5 months I have been exercising. My body looks already better than 90 percent of my younger coworkers .
I'm female & I've lost 33.25 kg of body fat, reducing my BMI by 5.6 & gained 18.29 kg of 😅lean body mass in 60 days! I have not lifted weights but just moving my body & doing work around the house. I wanted to see what would happen to my body composition with only dietary change before I add resistance bands, to isolate what carnivore alone can do. 😉 I've regained my balance & strength too. Most people I know have to sit down or hold onto a chair in order to put their legs into their pants & put their pants on... I can stand on one foot and do it without any wobbling or joint pain. ❤ If I can heal, get stronger & healthier so can anyone else!
I don't want to all negative about your great progress, but even a male body builder with Mr.olympia genetics, and juiced to the gills with all sort of steroids can not put in 18kg of lean muscle in that amount of time. It would take them many cycles and likely a couple years. Either way, sounds like your doing great
6'1" 182 lbs at 59 been on carnivore for 13 months, started at 182lbs. The difference is less fat and I am stronger. I lived the majority of my adult life over 230lbs, i'm good now.
I don't weigh myself, but after a month on beef+eggs I am noticing a difference in the mirror. It must be all the bioavailable protein without the anti-nutrients.
Even for this guy as with Chaffe and others that say this, their physique was built on carbs, training for 45 years, last 8 carnivore, that means 37 years of another diet…not BUILT on carnivore.
I’m 23 years old 5’4 struggled gaining weight my whole life my healthy weight sits around 145-150 but this past year I’ve dropped down to 125. Trying to just eat pasta. Not getting enough protein in and then feel like absolute shit all the time from the carbs. I feel so much better whenever I’m eating just meat. Gonna give this carnivore diet a shot and see how it goes.
I haven't gained any weight on carnivore and it's tough to maintain weight. I was in the gym before carnivore and I definitely don't look as strong and I'm actually not as strong on carnivore. Maybe I should eat more.
@@ZippyG6 months later, still treading water in the gym. About to go off the diet a while and do a bulk. When I come back to carnivore I'm sure it will be from joint pain.
I have T1D LADA and can definitely confirm that on Carnivore you DEFINITELY make or in my case need insuline. So hereby the claim that you need carbs for insuline is debunked. Have a good one everyone ❤
❓❓ In 8 years you put on 10lbs of muscle out of 20lbs gained? In 6 years your weight went from 245lbs to 255lbs according to the video December 7, 2017 - 245lbs "ish"? *Joe Rogan Show* Oct 28, 2023 - 255lbs *"How to gain muscle and lose fat at same time"* Jan 2, 2024 - 270lbs "Me vs the Rhino!" "Clip uploaded Jan 7" 6 years your weight moved up 10lbs then spiked 15lbs in 2 months? Holiday cooking yea? Got you some Sweet Potatoes? Notice the power increase on carbs? Nov 7, 2023 - 255lbs *Deadlift 426 x 14*
I’m 24. Played sorts most my life. Started carnivore first of December In and Around, whilst I was living in Asia! I went from 70 KG to 56-58 kg Now that’s a lot of weight to loose but in pictures it’s all fat tbh!!🤠 I’m stronger I’ve noticed! I’ll be doing this more
The strict carnivore diet is not optimal for muscle growth to older people. I am 67. I was on the diet for years, consuming more than a kilo of meat per day plus eggs and heavy resistance exercise 3-4 times a week in a gym. And only recently started to grow muscles quick. 8 kg in less than 4 months. 76 kg from 68. Why? I have uploaded a video to my RUclips channel but it will be available later.
I am 70 years old. After going ketovore/carnivore 3 years ago i have lost fat, and gained muscle, and doubled the weights I use. I always work out fasted
8 months into strict carnivore for reasons. Lost tons of strength and muscle, but I started at a high level. It seems to really sap maximal strength and explosive power, and not just for me. Let's put it this way.. the people who make gazillions of dollars or win Olympic medals are not doing carnivore or keto diets. Their performance is the most important to them right now and what do they eat.. carbs. I don't know if it's ATP or what mechanism is affected, maybe leverage on the cellular level due to water and glycogen. Carnivore seems to work like anything else. If you're untrained, overweight, etc any diet and any workout.. literally anything.. will help you gain muscle and lose fat and get stronger. But if you're lean and strong and have been training for a lifetime, a lot of people lose a lot of explosive power, maximal strength, and muscle size. And can't gain it back.
As someone who climbs, cycles and swims on occasion, whenever I go strict carnivore I just lose will to do "extra work", whether it's because I'm not fully adapted or not eating the right ratios I can't tell. But if I'm fully rested I can still perform on max, it just seems like I need a full day of complete rest in those scenarios to go back to baseline.
I think it’s pretty clear that in terms of marathons and multi wads, carnivore is undoubtedly superior. This has been shown too many times to ignore. In terms of strength training it matches a mix diet. In terms of hypertrophy carbs appear to give a slight edge, but a good portion of that is purely inflammation and water retention giving the appearance of a more “full” muscle. The only way I see carbs being a major advantage is for athletes needing to gain a lot of weight. Or build extreme mass. Carbs will definitely help, with the added effect of increasing hunger. But it will come at the cost of health. Then again extreme athletes generally aren’t living a “healthy” lifestyle.
I don't understand it. I've been on carnivore for 2 weeks and I've got biceps! I'm 63, postmenopausal for 13 years, sedentary for the most part but beginning to move a little, I had such a lot of muscle wastage through menopause, but now I've noticed my biceps. I cannot wrap my head around this!!
I'm 52 and strict carnivore for 13 months. Lost 34 pounds early on and trying to gain muscle now. I've been lifting consistently for about 8 months, yet struggling to gain muscle. I see a physical change, but it's slow going. I was hoping for better results, but I'm sure my age has a lot to do with it.
Hello, Thank you for the great work, keep going Some ideas below Sharing my opinion after 2 years on the Carnivora and ketogenic diet (2 years between dietary transition (removing complex carbohydrates (Natural) as I removed the industrialized ones on the first day of the dietary change) 1. Changing foods requires time for the body to begin adapting to new food consumption in this case (Protein and Fat) the body requires time to change its source of burning energy, When we are eating carbohydrates our body is always in total despair. This can happen on a carnivorous or ketogenic diet, but in an intelligent way. 2. Every Body has a health problem to correct (No one is the same when it comes to health problems, even if they have the same disease) 3. Losing fat or gaining muscle can be an easier task for some people, this is due to their body, which may have a problem in a certain organ. (Which was not diagnosed by laboratory tests) due to several factors 4. The beginning of the diet is very delicate, as we want to heal quickly, at least overnight, (We can start the improvement process when we change our diet on the first day, but we will not be cured overnight. It is not possible to cure years of a wrong diet in just a few days or even months or years, it depends on one body to another) Total transition I believe in around 5 years, For those who are only on the carnival diet along with the ketogenic diet, interspersing the two in the same period 5. Observing your evolution is very important, be it in the physical or mental aspect (Mental Energy, Relaxation in your daily activities, patience, emotional control, concentration, among others. Your physical energy, Desire to do some exercises, among others) even if it is moderate, the simple fact of walking, I don't do running exercise, I don't think it's healthy. due to several factors, one of which is that research has shown that most athletes who run and play football or do all the exercises that use the heart more have more heart attacks, perhaps because of the carbohydrates, etc... 6. The most important of all (Follow your Ancestral Food instinct, which was taken from humans) Which ? (When you want to eat more protein, eat, when you want to eat more fat, eat. When you don't want to eat, don't eat) Do you want to gain weight? Exercise with moderate weight I hope I contributed in some way
I am building muscle 56 yrs old. I am not bulked up but tone. I have to flex to show muscle. Some people notice and make comments, that is when you know your building muscle .
I’ve experimented with cyclic carbs and I feel exactly ZERO percent difference in terms of workout intensity on days I’ve consumed carbs This notion that carbs are somehow the equivalent of exercise nitrous oxide is just way overhyped
You can but it's just not efficient. Trying to bulk on carnivore is extremely hard and after seeing my bloods post-bulk - wouldn't recommend it 😅 Carnivore is great for fat loss and maintaining bodyweight.
Im 53, gained 20 pounds in a year, reduced fat to visible abs by changing diet to almost carnivore. Only meats, fish and vegetables. No carbfood. I think we are all different, you must try for yourself
The amount of people who mention world class powerlifters who are obviously on steroids and soo many other stimulants plus 500mg+ of caffeine per day on top of it all as an example why carbs are actually necessary and needed is stupid lmao😂. Even the majority of those in AMATEUR competitions take waay to many steroids and stimulants it's actually stupid how many people take gear... I know this because I blasted and cruised from 2014-2017. I started steroids at just 16 because I was insecure but the fact is because of all of that and the amount of time I've spent in the gym I know almost everybody and LITERALLY 80% of guys have taken or is currently taking something even the women are juiced up and these are people do don't even compete. I was immature and practically went straight to steroids but there are grown men in their mid 20s who jump straight on to steroids aswell. A high fat high protein diet as a natural lifter is just simply better than carbs and low fat. There's a video in my playlist of a 80 year old man being on carnivore for a year or so and his total testosterone is 780! He also shows his entire blood work. I will reply with the link if anybody wants that... But that's higher than the majority of guys at 19 years of age LOL. High fat creates more hormones = more gains. Personally I don't do carnivore for gym gains. I only go to the gym now to just help keep me more active it is mainly for health and saying that how many bodybuilders over the age of 70 do you know?? Maybe even over 60? I don't mean guys who go to the gym like myself to just be abit more healthy but actual bodybuilder types. There is pretty much 0 over 60. It is beyond unhealthy long term.
I am 48 and use to be quite muscular in my 20s and 30s, weighing 85 - 90 kgs. At about 35-36 I started doing triathlons and changed to a vegetarian diet and my weight dropped to 74kgs. My first 6 months on carnivore May 2023 - Oct 2023 I put on 11 kgs just sprinting 3 days a week and mountain biking 2-3 times a week. I had no idea that happened until I had to weigh myself to go in a helicopter. I was totally shocked and happy but the funny thing was I never noticed the changes, I thought I looked the same, but I suppose I never looked at myself in the mirror. I will start lifting weights again sometime in the near future to see if I gain more weight and muscle. I still weigh 85kgs
I assume some of the confusion in the general public is that muscles can LOOK bigger and fuller with lots of carbs, because they'll fill up with glycogen and the shit ton of water that binds with it. Retaining water =/= Building muscles
I can't do anything except lose weight on the carnivore diet. I don't know how you maintain that kind of body weight, let alone gain weight. I started out 14 months I started out 17 months ago weighing 228 lb. I now weigh 176. It was never my intention to lose a single pound. That's not why I started this diet. I've been lifting weight since I was 13. I'm 51 now. But I was insulin resistant. I was gaining weight around my waist while maintaining the same body weight. I was getting weaker in a gym. All the low T signs and I had gotten anemia after having covid. My doctor told me to try being a vegan made everything 10 times worse. I was later diagnosed with fibromyalgia to go along with my abdominal issues, arthritis and vertigo When my doctor started recommending me to take ssris when I told him I thought my testosterone was low. I decided to just go against everything you said and try this carnivore diet. It alleviated almost every problem I have. I still have dizziness that comes and goes but for the most part all the other things have resolved. I lost body fat but I lost about 20 lb of muscle too. Can someone tell me how to gain weight back? That's not fat on carnivore without taking steroids?
I don't think Dr. Baker is on roids. He's too soft. Not a put down just an observation from a former competitive bodybuilder. I'm still in good shape at 61 but quite soft compared to my youth even without the roids
❤⚖ Insulin is the most anabolic hormone even stronger than steroids... If he took in carbs he would most likely "possibly" get the carb whoosh effect initially weight would drop then go up then he would probably put on 5-10lbs+ quickly as his muscles refilled glycogen and water storages within the muscle. Imagine a wrung out dish sponge that is dried of water "Dehydrated" that's what it is being on a strict carnivore diet without carbs. Once you add in carbs consistently the muscle will super hydrate back to it's form "Muscle Memory".
Carnivore is the way!!! 🙏 shout-out to all the nutrient-deficient, brainwashed haters and trolls. Keep eating your poison plants and we'll continue to thrive on this amazing diet 😂
With all due respect, I'd like to point out that none of the long list of athletes I prepared who qualified for the Olympia competition completely eliminated carbohydrates from their diet. Additionally, research suggests that a carnivore diet may not be ideal for long-term health and longevity. Just sharing my two cents. 🙏
So my dietitian from the VA called me today, we discussed carnivore. Ive been on it for 32days, she says i wont build muscle and will actually loose muscle. Anyone want to retort here?
I am 3 weeks into a heavy 6 days per week PPL program before which I was only going for walks and I am 9 months carnivore. I am seeing what I consider incredible gains.
It took me 8 months to feel like I was fully adapted to ketones and do my naturally body weight and was able to start gaining muscle and strength again.
I'm 76 and began keto and now carnivore in 2019 when I was diagnosed with fatty liver disease. Since then, I have lost 50 pounds, cured my liver and begun exercising again resulting in significant muscle gain.
😮That is great at that age.
50 pounds lost is amazing at 76. You probably added a few years to your life.
Outstanding ! You are giving this 56 yo kid with A fibrillation hope. I am back in the gym 3 times a week and doing carnivore twice a day depending on workouts.
@@howardryburn9646 I have been in full timer AFib since April 4, 2018. Losing the weight and exercising turned everything around for me.
Dr Chafee claims he gave up 🥬🥦 and quintupled his meat calories ( 5x) and lost 10 kg ( over 20 pounds ) in 10 days .
What did you do wrong to get these medicore gains compared to the good Dr , or is the good Dr pants on 🔥 instead ?
The above is easily verifiable on YT .
I've had better luck building muscle on carnivore/ketovore than any diet i've tried before.
So have I, and I've only been doing it for about a month. I haven't changed my training routine, but I went from low carb OMAD to beef+eggs carnivore OMAD. I do not track my weight, but I already noticed bigger arms in the mirror compared to pre-carnivore. Can still lift the same weights as before. I think I hit a plateau, but switching to carnivore seems to have stimulated growth with all the pure protein I'm eating without the anti-nutrients. Can't wait to see how things will progress.
@@kirillstp Same here, and all I do is the Saitama Workout routine.
@@LuigiCG that's one I've never heard of. Looks like an intense bodyweight routine.
I do kettlebell and bodyweight plans from StrongFirst. They have this antiglycolytic approach that's very good for what I need.
My lazy ass has build so much muscle doing precisely nothing on carnivore that my legs actually hurt for how freaking tight and lean they are from the sudden muscle gain. Besides, the idea that you need _carbohydrates_ to build muscle and not _protein_ which is made of muscle is fairly non-sensical
@@MallchadI wonder if that's why I've been experiencing stiff muscles and cramps in my legs, lol.
I’m a 100 lb petite lady. I’ve never had muscles until I started Carnivore diet !
I've never put on muscle as easily as I do now. It's amazing. And with not that much effort. I did Atkins before on and off for 20 years and never put on muscle like this. No matter how much training I did. My metobilosm is finally functioning properly now. Thank you Dr Baker!
My personal trainer can't get his head around the fact that I have energy without carbs. We have an upcoming powerlifting competition and he wants me to eat carbs for energy. I will just have to show him you don't need no dang carbs!
Does your trainer know about gluconeogenesis?
If he doesn't, why is he your trainer?
@@ajs3994 he knows how to power lift which is what I am training for. Carnivore diet is very rare to find people doing.
He's used to working with athletes that need big bursts of quick energy, hope you do well might show that even athletes don't need to carb load for performance.
The old exercise low carb diets studies only lasted about 2 or 3 weeks. Which is the time needed to fully convert to ketones. Some people take a month.
Which is why they think you need carbs.
Dr Chafee claims he gave up 🥬🥦 and quintupled his meat calories ( 5x) and lost 10 kg ( over 20 pounds ) in 10 days .
What did you do wrong to get these medicore gains compared to the good Dr , or is the good Dr pants on 🔥 instead ?
The above is easily verifiable on YT .
I'm 71, been on carnivore (mostly) for 2 years. I'm now able to do things I couldn't before. This morning I restacked a wood pile and repaired a fence, along with chasing goats! 2 years ago....No Way!
The chasing the goats is the best part! 😂😂
Keep the good work Sir!! Blessings
One thing I know for sure is plant based results in sarcopenia. Through carnivore I've been able to restore 75% to 80% of what I lost without weight gain.
I'm 43. I train hard daily. I used to eat what I want and carbs just made my muscles look fuller. Now they just bloat me up ,and, makes me feel unathletic and tired. I used to be a personal trainer and never understood trainers who were out of shape, more so, how they ever got clients. Point being, if someone looks as good as you (regardless of age), I will listen. Let's see how this effects my training. I only 'accidentaly' started this because I forgot to buy rice and sweet potatoes! 😂
Agreed, I miss the full look as well
Gaining more muscle on carnivore diet then when I did carbs. Gained more fat then muscle on carbs.
carnivorians cannot spell "than" 😂😂😂
Your muscle needs to retain water tho
@@nekoMilligram And you can't spell "carnivore" 😂😂😂
@@nekoMilligramvegans can't stay on vegan channels 😂😂😂craving meat much😂huh?
@@sdmfp333Yeah, it does that just fine on its own with adequete nutrition, of which carbohydrates is not a part of
I'm 45yo, I was fat b4 carnivore while working out daily, now I'm carnivore I barely work out but I'm lean and can see my viens and abs popping out,life's great 😊
That’s young
Why i dont have the abs 😂
Explain more
60 years old - carnivore diet
Today PB : Dead lift 280 lbs x 3 reps
Day 109: Dead lift 185 lbs
Day 111: Dead lift 200 lbs
Day 114: Knee injury ACL (40 days off)
Day 156: Dead lift 205 lbs
Day 159: Dead lift 215 lbs
Day 180: Dead lift 230 lbs
Day 183: Dead lift 255 lbs
Day 189: Dead lift 260 lbs
Day 192: Dead lift 270 lbs
Day 196: Dead lift 275 lbs
Day 200: Dead lift 280 lbs
ATTA BOY NEVER GIVE UP👌👍💪🥩
I've seen plant powered strongmen do way better .
Why isn't meat making you as strong as them ?
Tell us about your blood work and your own health.
I got healthy eating only fatty red meat.@@julienfroidevaux1143
@@julienfroidevaux1143 I just start training, from years of not training. Your argument is so bullshit
@@alainfreedom3159PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE IGNORANT TROLLS(PLEASE NOTE I AM THE ONE WHO PRAISED YOU) YOU SHOULD BE PROUD AT YOUR AGE THAT YOU ARE WORKING OUT & PROBABLY IN WAY BETTER HEALTH N SHAPE THAN MANY OF YOUR AGE OR EVEN YOUNGER. PLEAEE FO NOT GIVE UP👌💪👍🥩
I love the BBQ smoke in the back ground as the smell of ribeyes waft by ;)
A great way to multitask! Cooking Rib-Eyes while recording a video!
Where can i buy ribeye cologne 😂
@@EggplantOven It's usually right next to the bacon cologne at the drugstore.
People should get fully adapted to carnivore first. Then train hard.
How would carbs build muscle? It's not a protein. xD
I built muscle quicker with carbs, but I also over ate so I also put on fat, when I would lower calories, even only moderately those muscles would also shrink and were hard to retain. Same if I lowered the intensity of my training. With carnivore the muscle growth is slower but it’s adding lean mass. Not only that the muscles are much harder and denser and I have got much stronger, even with only moderate growth. My tendon strength has got substantially stronger, I arm wrestle and climb so it’s very noticeable. It’s also visible. More interestingly even if I fast, or take a break from training that muscle retains its size and its hardness. I don’t lose much strength and that strength comes back very quickly. Whereas before with carbs I had to build that strength back up slowly over months. My stamina and endurance is also better. I think if you want to get your muscles as big as you can carbs can help. But if you just want to get stronger, with harder muscles and tendons,that retain their size, with better stamina, it’s better without carbs. This is only an anecdotal case, but it’s very noticeable.
This is it ! I'm enjoying slow growth but noticed I'm just more stronger. And people forget on carnivore you are recovering wayyy faster too which a lot of people don't mention.
Agreed from personal experience
your experience is the same as mine. however id add, it’s not that the carbs are helping you put muscle on faster, it’s that they enable you to have my glycogen storage so u look and feel fuller with more water in your muscles, hence the fluctuations. real muscle fibres wouldn’t shrink unless ur in a catabolic state for a prolonged period. but the glycogen gives the illusion of more muscle being built. when eating carnivore, it’s purely new muslce tissue being added without the excess superficial mass
While I believe individuals can gain a certain amount of natural lean mass on a carnivore diet(with almost zero carbs), i cannot speak or vouch for it personally as i have been working out since age 13 & am now rapidly approaching 48 years young. As such, i can however say at a minimum i have had zero issues regaining previously built lean muscle(some of which i had lost during the covid plandemic). I am now a very lean 175-180lbs at 5’10”. The differences are now have the most consistent chiseled midsection year round & deep muscle separation/definition in my back, shoulders, arms & legs. So much so, that many people at my gym refuse to believe that I am natural(have been all my life), they believe that someone my age has to be on gear or TrT to look as jacked as i do to them. Very sad, that many people(especially younger people) just do not wanna believe that over 30 years of hitting the gym 6 days/week & prioritizing protein(especially with carnivore diet last 2 years) with proper rest n lifestyle has allowed me to build a decent natural physique at this stage of my life by God’s Grace. Continued thanx Dr Baker for your continued restless attempts to help humanity live optimally. Godspeed🥩💪👍🥩
God's grace!!
I'm 48 5'11 175 pounds. I'm sort of cut but trying harder.
Most of the carnivore community are people 60+?
Where are all the people in the 20s-30s?
Love carnivore, keeps me angry and strong. No other diet has ever been able to bring out so much of my animalistic behavior. From "nerd" to beast mood. Live it. Finally able to go to the gym with energy and pissed off at the world. Finally able to break new PRs.
What?? I’m much stronger 7 months carnivore 😊
Started carnivore last May. Since that time I gained over 15lbs and I am now close to 155lbs at 5'11". I was lean back then and I am lean now, although slightly less, so yes, I did put on at least 10lbs of pure muscle mass on 0 carbs. Just red meat and lots of workout
At 42 I can tell you keep doing it man. I'm 5'11 grew up on crap fast food. After mom got cancer started paying attention.
All through junior high and highschool lean at 135lbs tiny. I'm running 199lbs now. Functional muscle still some fat, but working on it. Going carnivore.
Stay strong and pay attention to pain and listen to instincts don't push because of pressure or influence. Hope you hit your goals!
@@BigHairyDwarf I'm a 6ft male, 188# and looking to get to at least 200#. How did you determine your caloric and macro intake? And, are you "strict" carnivore? Appreciate any insights
@@nymode Not strict carnivore. I try to pay attention to my body and how it reacts to anything.
I'm no guru. I gained weight originally the hard way by just eating in my 20s till I gained weight and kind of hated food. Then I found it's harder to lose as I got older once you gain. Too much good info on the net now to do it that way.
I stick to organic beef and eggs from Walmart or Krogers. I also eat off and on sweet potatoes, carrots, avocados. I don't fear veggies, but I don't make them the core of my intake. Once you stop buying all the junk food it's not as expensive as some think. Also filling up on meat keeps your appetite in control better anyway.
I don't pay attention to amounts. When I started carnivore. I would fast most of the day then dinner I would eat 1lb of beef and like 6 eggs or just two pounds of beef. I didn't stay on that and made two meals out of it. Lunch and Dinner. I fast from 6 pm to 10 or 11 am.
I use spices and try as much as possible to stick with organics. Some believe organic is a buzz word, but for me the taste is night and day. The cheaper meat and stuff is not an issue just try and use as healthy options as possible with what you can.
Exercise: Athlean-X Jeff Cavaliere, RP with Dr. Mike Israetel, etc. I don't do T or Roids so my recovery won't match up to many of these fitness experts. I have to listen to when my body hurts. I do slow controlled reps and I don't worry about high counts. I have a 3-5-7-12 policy. I you are doing 12 with ease up the weight. If you want to just stay in a fixed body state stick to five or 7 and slow those reps as needed for resistance. All opinion and personal choice I am not an expert.
If you have trouble with motivation find that one exercise you love, or even a couple and you can always come back to that to stay in motion. Get your rest day or days.
On a side not I work two physical jobs. Custodian for a school and repair and lawn care for a storage place. These places are big so I do loads of walking. I'm just sharing that to put in perspective what off side exercise I get.
If you have any other questions. Feel free to let me know. As stated I am not a pro, expert, or guru. I learned from my own choices and experiences. Best of luck to you and your goals. I've enjoyed my journey I hope you do as well.
Well I'm a 66 next month yr old grandma who lost 95 pounds went from a size 22 to a 8 and I'm seeing definition in my arms . They were big flabby mess now they are small still flabby but smaller and the muscles are showing. I don't use heavy weights but even though I'm seeing a diffrence. I❤ 🥩🥓🧀🍗🥩🥩🥩🥩 and a little bit of ☕
Congrats! What an achievement for 66. Keep going you're an inspiration to many!
@@jakecarroll5 thank you 😊
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You are what you eat. I eat muscle.
Adding muscle in your 50’s without gear is really impressive.
Agreed, but very possible. The right training regiment/diet along with disciple and consistency will yield results. Oh, staying injury free as well.
You can add muscle at any age.
@@PrimalEater Sure, but on average you lose muscle as you age, and adding muscle gets much harder the older you get for various reasons. So this is impressive.
It's not impressive with the proper human diet and correct training.
You lose muscle mass when you get older because you are getting lazier...
Someone just stole something from your fridge. Just an FYI…
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after two weeks on carnivore noticed that I no longer struggled ALL day to keep good posture, I struggled with this for years. Thats how fast my back muscles strengthened.
after 3 weeks I can lift 3 bags of dog food to the car with no straining at all 😅
Have been a carnivore almost 2 years .. lost 55 lbs, have gained 15 lbs back in muscle 💪.. love it ❤
I've been doing carnivore for 6 weeks and I've seen more progress in that time than previous YEARS worth of workouts. It's absurd to even suggest that building muscle will be hard/impossible when you're eating 120g< of protein.
If your calories are low enough, it is absolutely not absurd to suggest you can’t build muscle.
If you’re a fatty or a newbie, the same rules don’t apply. But for any of us that are in reasonably good shape and have regularly trained, you need the requisite calories to go along with it. Protein alone is not enough.
That’s still possible on this type of diet of course, but it can be an issue for some folks to get enough calories when the foods they eat are so satiating already
I've always eaten enough protein. I'm weaker without carbs and muscles shrinking. I'm lifting, I've been lifting and I will never stop.
You gain muscle with enough protein.
Then you just need an energy source, fat or carbs.
I run better on fat.
60 years old definitely stronger and more energy since transitioning to keto then carnivore.
I have found that strength gains are great on the carnivore diet. It's easy for me to feel a sort of positive aggression when I'm training. I also feel that positive aggression in the workplace. I feel like I don't get beat down by stress as easily and handle conflict reasonably. Before carnivore, I felt like I defaulted to panic mode.
I'm envious. My workouts are still abysmal one year in. No energy, little improvements. I can't delude myself that I'm just not fat adapted yet or anything like that. It just doesn't work that well for me.
All the other benefits are great though so I will keep at it. Health gains > muscle gains.
@@Sylvinesame story for me, on long days of work + exercise I inevitably run into either what I assume is electrolyte issues or slow metabolism meaning I don't feel any real energy from what I eat I am also somehow more hungry in the morning on carnivore than if I had had carbs the night before.
Do not get sucked into a dogma. Some people do better with small amounts of sugar, even just 5g of sugar during workouts can be better for you. Tim Noakes showed that most of the times the "fatigue" is basically a sugar dip in the brain more than a muscle issue. If you've been in different diet for long carnivore will bring benefits but a full change may take very long.
Every body is different. Some tips will work for you, others not. You just have to find what works for you. I'm just 10 days in and I find that a small back of pork cracklins are very helpful in addition to electrolytes.
@@bthorn5035 Agree, also people underestimate how long it takes to completely transition to complete full carnivore. No one can expect to switch and be perfectly healthy in a short time after having abused food for decades. Healing takes time and effort.
That is BS for me. I have never been stronger, or wanted to lift heavier.
What. The title alone makes me ? Eating meat you gain muscle? Meat has protein? Who would have guessed. *Luke Wilson* “wow”
I immediately could tell carnivore was building muscle. I noticed in my calves first. Larger and more defined then you could see it all over. Even in my stomach and sides. Arms now since I have been lifting weights. You can’t build muscle on a plant diet, even if you eat little meat. It’s gotta be carnivore or very low plant carb keto.
Carbs are for sarcoplasmic hypertrophy.
Real muscle is made of protein!
Excellent explanation!!! I believe that muscle gain on the carnivore diet together with the ketogenic diet remains much better, muscle building on the carbohydrate diet does not last long, muscle loss is very fast, on the carnivore diet with ketogenic the gain is much more sustainable,
Muscle loss on a carbohydrate diet is much greater,
On the carnivore and ketogenic diet, the pleasure of training is something that makes all the difference
Recovery from training is a pleasant sensation and not painful, when training on a carbohydrate diet after training it feels like rubbish
Gratitude Dr. Shawn Baker
I’m 122 days in on carnivore and I lost 5 pounds of fat and then put on 3 to 4 pounds of muscle. The muscle building is going great but I am working out 6 days a week
I hardly work out at all anymore and I’m doing just fine. Last time I did lift it was more weight and I’m 20lbs down in body weight.
Carbohydrates also leads to the body storing more water, so they get a pumped/puffy or "jacked" look during and after workout. That isn't translating to muscle-building or actual strength gains. I have built way more muscle on carnivore/ketovore than I ever did with carbs, with the added benefit of having leaner abs, waist, and no puffiness around my face. Heck, even when I have been bad and stayed out of the gym for weeks, I didn't get a sloppy/fat look on carnivore; can't do that with carbs. You will get fat in a hurry eating carbs and not working out.
I've been skinny all my life and only discovered the carnivore diet late last year. Lost more weight. So I guess I need to increase my fat intake a bit and eat bigger portions. Also need to start lifting harder in the gym. At almost 51 years old, I am tired of being a skinny dude.
Protein intake not fat 👍
Yeah, if I don't eat the fat and just eat 2lbs of meat, I waste away 😂
@@meatynutrients fat is only for energy, protein for building.
@@josephbarker6608 We were talking about losing too much weight
Make sure you are in calorie surplus
I feel like I’m losing all my muscle on carnivore… I looked at my backside in the mirror today and I was like “damn, where is my ass go!?” devastating
Eat more and more fat
Are you working out daily?
@@sevenobeats5566the people seeing gains on carnivore were not lifting before carnivore. That's my opinion
38 years old, 6 months carnivore. blew past my personal bests on squat, deadlift and bench from my early 20s less than 2 months into the diet. oh, and i weigh 20 lbs less than i did back then.
The Doc proves you can build muscle on Carnivore, and lots of it, but my experience is different (because individuals are different).
I lost a lot of weight doing low carb high meat and I got very healthy. My weight and health have been stable for years and when I retired recently I had time to work out a lot more so I set about putting on muscle via more workouts with higher intensity.
What happened was I actually started losing more weight and not putting on muscle. I tried eating even more meat and eggs but no dice. I even went pure Carnivore for a while and only saw a bit of difficulty with my bowel movements as a result.
Finally about 1 1/2 years ago I experimented with adding more carbs to my diet, primarily potatoes, sprouted brown rice and sprouted whole grain bread, and bingo! I've put on just shy of 10 lbs of muscle on since then.
At 60 I'm very happy with this result and am stronger yet leaner than I've been since my 20s. Human variation is very broad so your mileage may vary, and most likely *will* vary.
I'm over 50. Regained so muscle on Caro and keto better than a carb rich diet.
What is caro ?
At 53 , I entirely rebuilt an atrophied right leg I couldn't use for 15 years. I did about a 2 blocks worth of uphill sprints this morning. Does that count as building muscle?
The mechanism behind the notion that carbs make one bigger and stronger could be thru their tendency to increase water retention in the muscles. "Pumps" are better and because the joints are fuller, some lifts, especially the bench press can benefit. Creatine may work in a similar manner.
Look at any big cat and the amount of muscle they have. If you can't build muscle without carbs, they would never get that big, or would just waste away.
I am 65 on conavor for 3 years lost 85 pounds started weight lifting and in just 2 months have gained so much mussel and lost fat I love it
Gym bros conflate inflammation with muscle size... that's why they always complement each other on being "swole."
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I'm a female and build more muscles then I want, actually want to reduce, any suggestions? I'd like to eat carnivore but I bulk, as a female I just don't like it
I started Carnivore in January this year and being 66 years and female I didn't think I would gain muscle strength but after 5years of having to climb stairs leading with my right leg as my left leg tended to collapse I can now walk up the stairs normally (alternate legs) frankly I am amazed at how much strength I've got in both legs and no wobbles. Carnivore has so many unexpected benefits.
Good to read this. I'm 9 days in, and still feeling quite flu'ish and adapting to the virtual lack of carbs. Did you feel sort of feverish and a bit weak to start? And do you find it hard to eat enough? 😲
Ladynipchick2 you feel off colour when you hit ketosis for the first time. Your brain craves the carbs. When I started Carnivore I too felt hungry and had to eat more I aimed to get 40% of my food in before 3pm. But within 5 weeks I had adapted then I started losing the weight. I make Brown butter bites ( recipes on YT) which really helps upping the fat content so removing the craving. I do struggle getting adequate fat as I am not a fan of eggs. I now just eat one meal a day.
@@enidcronin9704 Thankyou very much!
@@Ladynipchick2 Hello, Start the transition slowly, don't eliminate all carbohydrates together, and eat a variety of meats, preferably ruminant red meat
Seek as much information as possible
At the beginning of the diet, take electrolytes, magnesium and potassium help a lot, add a little more salt when preparing the meat, and after it's ready add a little more salt, these minerals help a lot
Don't start straight with meat, remove industrialized carbohydrates as soon as possible, as they are hurting your internal organs,
Carbohydrates when you have cravings, take magnesium when you feel like eating sweets etc... or eat meat to eliminate these vices, in my case I would add eggs, and when you eat carbohydrates don't blame yourself so much, just go back to the beginning of the game ,
It's part of winning with some losses at the beginning of the diet, below is an interesting text
I hope I helped after 3 months for your question
Below is a list of interesting information
Hello!!!
Most human beings spend years eating wrong, practically their entire lives and want to solve the entire problem in a few days or months.
It won't be like this, there is a price to pay, each body is a universe, of inflammation and illnesses to correct.
Time is the king of everything on earth,
Wait and continue on the meat and fat diet, increase your animal fat, eat more fat than protein, eat a variety of red meat, if you can avoid pork!!!
Do not give up!!!
When your body starts to feel good, it will lose weight naturally.
Detail: If you lose weight too quickly you may become flabby, so allow your body to make adjustments in each part.
You will heal
Just a matter of time!!!
I was in severe deep depression, I am cured thanks to red beef, preferably
Hope this helps!!!
There's a difference between big muscles and strong muscles. I think carnivore diet provides stronger muscles for the same size. Am I wrong? Would love to hear Dr.Baker on that.
Calorie surplus and adequate protein intake. What's the problem? The issue is people not being fat adapted anymore this day and age. Most gym goers can't push themselves to cause sufficient muscle breakdown and lack of energy from carb addiction and going off them makes it harder hence they think they can't build muscle.
Its called diabetes. Like asburgers, it has a spectrum. Prediabetes is enough to mess with you.
For me, being 57, it is really about maintenance of muscle, being lean and burning fat. Vascularity over size is my preferance..I found carnivore diet with a bit of fruit (berries, avocado) perfect for my goals.
To make a long story short. I had nonclinical Cushing’s Syndrome that made me lose muscle mass. After feeling that my metabolic dyscrasia, through surgical intervention, was responding in a positive way I noted in my journal my thoughts back in September.
Protein and fat should be consumed depending on the epigenetic goal you’re trying to evoke. If the carbs stay the same then it would seem to come down to types of proteins and fats. Soon I plan to increase my protein to hopefully increase my muscle mass.
I did and am amazed it worked extremely well. At 67 I am putting on muscle with simple resistance exercises and walking. I know this isn’t in my head because others have noticed.
I believe keeping muscle mass can be a hormonal issue too. My mainly carnivore diet allowed me to see the path in the forest.
I am 62 and on carnivore diet for a year. I work an extremely physical job and last year I was thinking of retiring becuase I was extremely weak and getting weaker. I don’t go to the gym, I just walk a lot and lift my clients. Now my job seems so easy and I am able to work like I did when I was twenty. I can lift huge buckets of water too without any issue. My arms have muscle definition. Carnivore builds muscle I am living proof of that. Also I am supposedly no longer able to build muscle at 62 and this is just not true. Meat and fat equals strength. Can you address the farmers strike that is happening in Europe and now Canada. The powers that be seem to want to make local farming and animal agriculture a thing of the past. We need to get involved for our healths sake.
I have put on 18 lbs in 6 months, including over an inch on my arms, neck and calves, and over two inches on my legs and chest, without any gains to my waist. I am actually leaning than when I started, more vascular with more visible striations. Strength has more than double in that time. I am 56 years old.
that smoke makes me want a steak lol
I have to eat more thqn i want to gain/maintain muscle
I am gaining muscle all over on carnivore I do eat avocado 🥑 and salsa and sometimes Brussels sprouts 5 pieces of pecans a day and 5 ounces of meat which is a small portion and I am 50 and still gained already muscle all over in just 5 months I have been exercising. My body looks already better than 90 percent of my younger coworkers .
4 years in, works fine, apparently! 😜💪🏼
Hiya slaphead..... You still juicing ?
I've gained about 10 lbs of lean muscle on a ketovore type thing at the tail end of immunotherapy for stage three lung cancer, I'd say it works
Muscle growth is much more complex than protein synthesis only.
I'm female & I've lost 33.25 kg of body fat, reducing my BMI by 5.6 & gained 18.29 kg of 😅lean body mass in 60 days! I have not lifted weights but just moving my body & doing work around the house. I wanted to see what would happen to my body composition with only dietary change before I add resistance bands, to isolate what carnivore alone can do. 😉 I've regained my balance & strength too. Most people I know have to sit down or hold onto a chair in order to put their legs into their pants & put their pants on... I can stand on one foot and do it without any wobbling or joint pain. ❤ If I can heal, get stronger & healthier so can anyone else!
That's very encouraging to me. Is it ok if I ask how old you are? No worries if you don't want to reveal that 😁
I don't want to all negative about your great progress, but even a male body builder with Mr.olympia genetics, and juiced to the gills with all sort of steroids can not put in 18kg of lean muscle in that amount of time. It would take them many cycles and likely a couple years. Either way, sounds like your doing great
18 kilos of lean muscle in 60 days? Didn't notice that... 🤔
Exacto, Great
How old are you?
6'1" 182 lbs at 59 been on carnivore for 13 months, started at 182lbs. The difference is less fat and I am stronger. I lived the majority of my adult life over 230lbs, i'm good now.
I don't weigh myself, but after a month on beef+eggs I am noticing a difference in the mirror. It must be all the bioavailable protein without the anti-nutrients.
Even for this guy as with Chaffe and others that say this, their physique was built on carbs, training for 45 years, last 8 carnivore, that means 37 years of another diet…not BUILT on carnivore.
I’m 23 years old 5’4 struggled gaining weight my whole life my healthy weight sits around 145-150 but this past year I’ve dropped down to 125. Trying to just eat pasta. Not getting enough protein in and then feel like absolute shit all the time from the carbs. I feel so much better whenever I’m eating just meat. Gonna give this carnivore diet a shot and see how it goes.
How old was your wife when she had a kid lol im looking says shes 52 and kid looks 4 or so so 48? You should do a video on that
I haven't gained any weight on carnivore and it's tough to maintain weight. I was in the gym before carnivore and I definitely don't look as strong and I'm actually not as strong on carnivore. Maybe I should eat more.
Eat way more even drink calories if you have to or you gotta have low amount of carbs like potatoes
@@ZippyG6 months later, still treading water in the gym. About to go off the diet a while and do a bulk. When I come back to carnivore I'm sure it will be from joint pain.
3 months in on carnivore diet, down 15 pounds, shrunk 2 sizes and making gains in the gym.
I have T1D LADA and can definitely confirm that on Carnivore you DEFINITELY make or in my case need insuline.
So hereby the claim that you need carbs for insuline is debunked.
Have a good one everyone ❤
❓❓ In 8 years you put on 10lbs of muscle out of 20lbs gained?
In 6 years your weight went from 245lbs to 255lbs according to the video
December 7, 2017 - 245lbs "ish"? *Joe Rogan Show*
Oct 28, 2023 - 255lbs *"How to gain muscle and lose fat at same time"*
Jan 2, 2024 - 270lbs "Me vs the Rhino!" "Clip uploaded Jan 7"
6 years your weight moved up 10lbs then spiked 15lbs in 2 months? Holiday cooking yea? Got you some Sweet Potatoes? Notice the power increase on carbs?
Nov 7, 2023 - 255lbs *Deadlift 426 x 14*
i put on 30 lbs of muscle in 3 months and i lifted like twice a week.
@@Benjamin_Gellman Grapes are Anabolic.
Wow, you have done some homework! A+
Eh?
I’m 24. Played sorts most my life.
Started carnivore first of December In and Around, whilst I was living in Asia!
I went from 70 KG to 56-58 kg
Now that’s a lot of weight to loose but in pictures it’s all fat tbh!!🤠
I’m stronger I’ve noticed! I’ll be doing this more
I’m building muscle on carnivore I’m 54 I lost no weight I’m 6.1ft tall and I’m 104Kg I’m just losing body fat.
I've been on carnivore for a month plus doing high intensity training from Mike mentzer and its incredible!
The strict carnivore diet is not optimal for muscle growth to older people. I am 67. I was on the diet for years, consuming more than a kilo of meat per day plus eggs and heavy resistance exercise 3-4 times a week in a gym. And only recently started to grow muscles quick. 8 kg in less than 4 months. 76 kg from 68. Why? I have uploaded a video to my RUclips channel but it will be available later.
Down 15lbs after 2 weeks while getting stronger 🤷🏽♂️ people can hate all they want I just laugh
I am 70 years old. After going ketovore/carnivore 3 years ago i have lost fat, and gained muscle, and doubled the weights I use. I always work out fasted
My ex girlfriend was a 93/7 girl with a 75/25 attitude. Lean with plenty of spice.
Carbs are definitely the most fun way to build muscle, cycling them in on the weekends.
I find myself gaining muscle, getting faster, and finding my soreness after lifting hard, going away rather quickly
8 months into strict carnivore for reasons. Lost tons of strength and muscle, but I started at a high level. It seems to really sap maximal strength and explosive power, and not just for me. Let's put it this way.. the people who make gazillions of dollars or win Olympic medals are not doing carnivore or keto diets. Their performance is the most important to them right now and what do they eat.. carbs.
I don't know if it's ATP or what mechanism is affected, maybe leverage on the cellular level due to water and glycogen.
Carnivore seems to work like anything else. If you're untrained, overweight, etc any diet and any workout.. literally anything.. will help you gain muscle and lose fat and get stronger.
But if you're lean and strong and have been training for a lifetime, a lot of people lose a lot of explosive power, maximal strength, and muscle size. And can't gain it back.
As someone who climbs, cycles and swims on occasion, whenever I go strict carnivore I just lose will to do "extra work", whether it's because I'm not fully adapted or not eating the right ratios I can't tell. But if I'm fully rested I can still perform on max, it just seems like I need a full day of complete rest in those scenarios to go back to baseline.
So you mean if we are lean and trained for a long time and go in carnivore, we will lose power and muscle?
@@hosseinpershing6305 Depends how much muscle and strength you have already and what kind of diet it took to get there.
Same here. I'm just added a bit of fruit like dates and watermelon either some roasted buckwheat groats on a training days to back on the track
I think it’s pretty clear that in terms of marathons and multi wads, carnivore is undoubtedly superior. This has been shown too many times to ignore.
In terms of strength training it matches a mix diet.
In terms of hypertrophy carbs appear to give a slight edge, but a good portion of that is purely inflammation and water retention giving the appearance of a more “full” muscle.
The only way I see carbs being a major advantage is for athletes needing to gain a lot of weight. Or build extreme mass. Carbs will definitely help, with the added effect of increasing hunger.
But it will come at the cost of health. Then again extreme athletes generally aren’t living a “healthy” lifestyle.
I don't understand it. I've been on carnivore for 2 weeks and I've got biceps!
I'm 63, postmenopausal for 13 years, sedentary for the most part but beginning to move a little, I had such a lot of muscle wastage through menopause, but now I've noticed my biceps. I cannot wrap my head around this!!
I'm 52 and strict carnivore for 13 months. Lost 34 pounds early on and trying to gain muscle now. I've been lifting consistently for about 8 months, yet struggling to gain muscle. I see a physical change, but it's slow going. I was hoping for better results, but I'm sure my age has a lot to do with it.
53 im in same boat as you.
Try adding organic fresh fruits for carbs in ur diet.
sorry i been a diabetic for thirteen years If i eat fruits ill be back on insulin shortly. that is not an option.@@Ohwowamazing
@@Otingocni ahh my bad, never mind then lol
Hello,
Thank you for the great work, keep going
Some ideas below
Sharing my opinion after 2 years on the Carnivora and ketogenic diet
(2 years between dietary transition (removing complex carbohydrates (Natural) as I removed the industrialized ones on the first day of the dietary change)
1. Changing foods requires time for the body to begin adapting to new food consumption in this case (Protein and Fat) the body requires time to change its source of burning energy,
When we are eating carbohydrates our body is always in total despair.
This can happen on a carnivorous or ketogenic diet, but in an intelligent way.
2. Every Body has a health problem to correct
(No one is the same when it comes to health problems, even if they have the same disease)
3. Losing fat or gaining muscle can be an easier task for some people, this is due to their body, which may have a problem in a certain organ.
(Which was not diagnosed by laboratory tests) due to several factors
4. The beginning of the diet is very delicate, as we want to heal quickly, at least overnight,
(We can start the improvement process when we change our diet on the first day, but we will not be cured overnight. It is not possible to cure years of a wrong diet in just a few days or even months or years, it depends on one body to another)
Total transition I believe in around 5 years,
For those who are only on the carnival diet along with the ketogenic diet, interspersing the two in the same period
5. Observing your evolution is very important, be it in the physical or mental aspect (Mental Energy, Relaxation in your daily activities, patience, emotional control, concentration, among others.
Your physical energy, Desire to do some exercises, among others) even if it is moderate, the simple fact of walking, I don't do running exercise, I don't think it's healthy. due to several factors, one of which is that research has shown that most athletes who run and play football or do all the exercises that use the heart more have more heart attacks, perhaps because of the carbohydrates, etc...
6. The most important of all
(Follow your Ancestral Food instinct, which was taken from humans)
Which ?
(When you want to eat more protein, eat, when you want to eat more fat, eat. When you don't want to eat, don't eat) Do you want to gain weight?
Exercise with moderate weight
I hope I contributed in some way
I am building muscle 56 yrs old. I am not bulked up but tone. I have to flex to show muscle. Some people notice and make comments, that is when you know your building muscle .
Can't build muscle by eating a ton of protein? Lol. Vegans...
I’ve experimented with cyclic carbs and I feel exactly ZERO percent difference in terms of workout intensity on days I’ve consumed carbs
This notion that carbs are somehow the equivalent of exercise nitrous oxide is just way overhyped
You can but it's just not efficient. Trying to bulk on carnivore is extremely hard and after seeing my bloods post-bulk - wouldn't recommend it 😅
Carnivore is great for fat loss and maintaining bodyweight.
Im 53, gained 20 pounds in a year, reduced fat to visible abs by changing diet to almost carnivore. Only meats, fish and vegetables. No carbfood. I think we are all different, you must try for yourself
The amount of people who mention world class powerlifters who are obviously on steroids and soo many other stimulants plus 500mg+ of caffeine per day on top of it all as an example why carbs are actually necessary and needed is stupid lmao😂.
Even the majority of those in AMATEUR competitions take waay to many steroids and stimulants it's actually stupid how many people take gear... I know this because I blasted and cruised from 2014-2017. I started steroids at just 16 because I was insecure but the fact is because of all of that and the amount of time I've spent in the gym I know almost everybody and LITERALLY 80% of guys have taken or is currently taking something even the women are juiced up and these are people do don't even compete.
I was immature and practically went straight to steroids but there are grown men in their mid 20s who jump straight on to steroids aswell.
A high fat high protein diet as a natural lifter is just simply better than carbs and low fat. There's a video in my playlist of a 80 year old man being on carnivore for a year or so and his total testosterone is 780! He also shows his entire blood work. I will reply with the link if anybody wants that... But that's higher than the majority of guys at 19 years of age LOL. High fat creates more hormones = more gains.
Personally I don't do carnivore for gym gains. I only go to the gym now to just help keep me more active it is mainly for health and saying that how many bodybuilders over the age of 70 do you know?? Maybe even over 60? I don't mean guys who go to the gym like myself to just be abit more healthy but actual bodybuilder types. There is pretty much 0 over 60. It is beyond unhealthy long term.
I am 48 and use to be quite muscular in my 20s and 30s, weighing 85 - 90 kgs. At about 35-36 I started doing triathlons and changed to a vegetarian diet and my weight dropped to 74kgs. My first 6 months on carnivore May 2023 - Oct 2023 I put on 11 kgs just sprinting 3 days a week and mountain biking 2-3 times a week. I had no idea that happened until I had to weigh myself to go in a helicopter. I was totally shocked and happy but the funny thing was I never noticed the changes, I thought I looked the same, but I suppose I never looked at myself in the mirror. I will start lifting weights again sometime in the near future to see if I gain more weight and muscle. I still weigh 85kgs
I assume some of the confusion in the general public is that muscles can LOOK bigger and fuller with lots of carbs, because they'll fill up with glycogen and the shit ton of water that binds with it.
Retaining water =/= Building muscles
I can't do anything except lose weight on the carnivore diet. I don't know how you maintain that kind of body weight, let alone gain weight.
I started out 14 months
I started out 17 months ago weighing 228 lb. I now weigh 176. It was never my intention to lose a single pound. That's not why I started this diet.
I've been lifting weight since I was 13. I'm 51 now.
But I was insulin resistant. I was gaining weight around my waist while maintaining the same body weight. I was getting weaker in a gym. All the low T signs and I had gotten anemia after having covid.
My doctor told me to try being a vegan made everything 10 times worse. I was later diagnosed with fibromyalgia to go along with my abdominal issues, arthritis and vertigo
When my doctor started recommending me to take ssris when I told him I thought my testosterone was low. I decided to just go against everything you said and try this carnivore diet.
It alleviated almost every problem I have. I still have dizziness that comes and goes but for the most part all the other things have resolved. I lost body fat but I lost about 20 lb of muscle too.
Can someone tell me how to gain weight back? That's not fat on carnivore without taking steroids?
I don't think Dr. Baker is on roids. He's too soft. Not a put down just an observation from a former competitive bodybuilder. I'm still in good shape at 61 but quite soft compared to my youth even without the roids
My muscular structure is more evident. I’ve definitely have got leaner too.
❤⚖ Insulin is the most anabolic hormone even stronger than steroids... If he took in carbs he would most likely "possibly" get the carb whoosh effect initially weight would drop then go up then he would probably put on 5-10lbs+ quickly as his muscles refilled glycogen and water storages within the muscle. Imagine a wrung out dish sponge that is dried of water "Dehydrated" that's what it is being on a strict carnivore diet without carbs. Once you add in carbs consistently the muscle will super hydrate back to it's form "Muscle Memory".
Carnivore is the way!!! 🙏 shout-out to all the nutrient-deficient, brainwashed haters and trolls. Keep eating your poison plants and we'll continue to thrive on this amazing diet 😂
With all due respect, I'd like to point out that none of the long list of athletes I prepared who qualified for the Olympia competition completely eliminated carbohydrates from their diet. Additionally, research suggests that a carnivore diet may not be ideal for long-term health and longevity. Just sharing my two cents. 🙏
So my dietitian from the VA called me today, we discussed carnivore. Ive been on it for 32days, she says i wont build muscle and will actually loose muscle. Anyone want to retort here?
I am 3 weeks into a heavy 6 days per week PPL program before which I was only going for walks and I am 9 months carnivore. I am seeing what I consider incredible gains.
It took me 8 months to feel like I was fully adapted to ketones and do my naturally body weight and was able to start gaining muscle and strength again.