As a history major, I took a course on the Gilded Age. Luckily our professor's brother was on the Newport Preservation Society so we actually had a private 3-hour tour of the Breakers in Newport. All red ropes were removed and the tour guide let us sit on some of the furniture or pick up some of the mementos in the rooms. It was such an amazing experience.
The Van Rhijn Butler definitely felt superior, giving his subtle but firm critique of the tableware and placement of silverware, the three minutes he spent with the Russel's French chef!!!
Thank you, HBO, for these podcasts and your outstanding "The Gilded Age." I love watching the episode, then listening to the podcast, and then rewatching the episode. I am so appreciative of Alicia and Tom's excellent insights and recommendations for other reading and viewing supplements, and for the guests each week who are so delightful and informative. What fun this series is. Thanks again.
So there is NO QUESTION that BOTH Anne Morris and Aurora Fane were uncomfortable with Peggy's presence on the trip. Aurora was just a bit more polite about it, but her facial expressions did not go unnoticed. Racism was still rampant.
We are still talking about 1882, what do you expect? Remember we are talking about the top 1% of the 1% here. They would have had zero contact with anyone who wasn't white, even the servants were primarily white mostly Irish at this time. Many people today don't understand the difference btw Racism and Classism. While I think it is great to have the character of Peggy in the show, because there was a growing middle class that was more based on meritocracy, it is not likely that anyone regardless of color from the middle classes would have had any significant interaction with anyone at top 1% level,
Regarding the footmen; it should be stated that it was considered more prestigious to be served by a man than a woman so in the grander establishments the footmen was a social marker. Also the footmen's livery was provided by the masters since they would have had two sets each. The ordinary livery which was much like the white tie ensemble worn by the gentlemen and the brightly coloured state livery elaborately trimmed with gold braid and worn with white gloves, white silk stockings, patent leather shoes with silver buckles and sometimes with powdered wigs. Given the ornate nature of the footmen's liveries the cost would have been well beyond the means of any employee. It was normally the only uniform that as a rule was provided by the employer as a mark of the family's distinction.
I agree. It was one of the moves that made me think a little less of George. Obviously Bertha told him to do it so she’s the villain here. This story is based on the Vanderbilts, yes?
and I feel that Archie failed to show real backbone. lack of experience I guess. Maybe an older Achie will have more balls. would be interesting to see how Oscar will exploit Archie, it's bound to happen.
@@HisameArtwork The problem is that Archie is young and scared of George. George is so wealthy and connected and he developed a reputation of making good on his threats to ruin people.
I thought he tell him he could marry Gladys after he became wealthy, and George was giving him the opportunity to do so. I thought he might tell him to stay away from Gladys until then, or for five years, but not forever.
I love this series !!! My wish came true - a wonderful series about the gilded age as well as 1880’ s NYC, the upstairs and downstairs, the new money and old …. The podcast is a nice warm up to the episode tonight !!! I admire the historical accuracy -
I don’t believe Mrs. Russell wouldn’t insist on a experienced lady’s maid for Gladys, because it’s important not to put a foot wrong in dress or socially, and the ladies maids knew everything about everyone in society.
observation: Gladys’ hair is terrible. split ends, no style, no curls…that wouldnt happen. Seems an overlooked detail. Strange for the perfection that exists elsewhere w wardrobe, hair and make up.
Alva Vanderbilt was from old (southern) money[1] Mrs. Russell (Bertha) was from the middle class. 1.) Before the American Civil War Newport, R.I. was a place where very rich southern plantation ...... owners spent their summers. Their northern Newport neighbors were the elite of the east ..... coast (Brown's, Astor's, Biddles, etc.) Theodore Roosevelt's mother was one of the ..... southern belles who married into northern society families.
I was unaware that wealthy southern plantation owners frequented Rhode Island. Need to look into this. Do you have any links to share or sources of information where one can check this out?
@@tomlewis6430 Three (3) facts: 1.) Multi-generational wealth 2.) Pre-Federal income tax "Revenue Act" (1913) The IRS was created in 1910 by the 16th Amendment. 3.) Not only the ultra-rich southern planters -- Also southern bankers, southern industrialists, southern transportation magnates stagecoach/freight, later railroads) Less-wealthy southerners made due with a yearly trip to Saratoga (NY) to "take the waters", to mingle and to watch the Thoroughbred horse races (during the racing "season") ALSO: Google/ Wikipedia searches are your go-to references: *Newport, R.I. -- History* AND *Martha Stewart (née Bulloch)* *"Mittie" Roosevelt* (born: 1835, in Connecticut, grew up in Cobb county ... Later Roswell ... Georgia, USA AND *Alva Erskine (née Smith)* *Vanderbilt Belmont* (born: 1853, Mobile, Alabama, USA)
@samantha smith Broke? Or not as wealthy as the noveau riche? (like the Vanderbilts)? btw: Teddy Roosevelt's mother was a Southerner. Before the new rich took over NYC society Newport was a vacation place where Southern elites went to spend the summer. Marriage between Northern and Southern elites were common prior to the American Civil War.
Just did a video on Ward McAllister and Mrs Astor. Along with a video on Alva Vanderbilt as an inspiration for Bertha. Coming up is more on Consuelo as an inspiration for Gladys. Thanks for bringing up Archie Baldwin because I was lost on who was Gladys's love interest. Love your podcast for all the insights into the GA story line.
I would watch your videos if you could get a human to do the voice over, the robot voice kinda makes them unwatchable. Since there is so little content on RUclips on this show, I get recommended your videos all the time but I’ve been clicking “stop suggesting videos from this channel” as a result 😕
Thank you for producing these podcasts...Love this series...The sets and costumes are gorgeous. Actors are fantastic! This series deserves multiple Emmy's in all categories.... Series is set in the time period of Samuel Tilden and helping me to visualize more clearly his life style. I'm currently in pre-production to podcast his 2 volume bio from books and a screenplay I penned and revised over a decade ago.
Fantastic is going too far. I think she’s pretty good. I’m curious how much a part nepotism played in landing her this role. As fine as she is, I’m sure there were at least a half a dozen actresses just as good, if not better, that made it to the final rounds of call backs.
Lol it didn't have any spoilers? They disect it scene by scene. It's ALL spoilers! Not that I mind because I always listen to the podcast on Tuesday afternoons AFTER I've watched the show. But each to his/her own.😊
It is surprising that Marian was permitted to go on the trip without a chaperone. Did Agnes expect Aurora Fain to fill that role? It was clear from her exchange with Peggy that Agnes did not expect her to do it. On the other hand, Tom was not expected to be there.
@32:50 thank you for letting us know about the deleted scenes between Marian and Mr. Raikes (i.e. Mr. Raikes going to Marian's house in PA when she was selling her possessions, offering to bring her to the station, etc.) I do think Marian has feelings for Mr. Raikes but I'm not convinced Mr. Raikes is necessarily in love with her (or maybe he was at first back in PA but upon arrival in NYC and seeing all the glamour and glitz, who knows.) @38:24 I wonder when that second kiss will be!!!
I couldn't wait either! These podcasts are so fantastic even with the spoilers they're irresistible. & the good thing is (though HBO might think otherwise) with the spoilers in case someone doesn't have the time or interest in watching the whole episode it allows them to skim through it to watch the parts they prefer.
@12:30 I'd think back then if someone chose to not work in service at a grand mansion, the alternative would be to work in a factory? Between the two, living in a grand mansion sounds better.
The actresses talking about the corsets is ridiculous!! If the corsets hurt that much, them they are doing them wrong. Please, please, please hire corset experts. A famous one is Bernadette Banner but I'm sure there are many more.
Agreed. I don't think it is a big deal. Since the program is streamed worldwide, no time would be the appropriate time to drop it depending on what time zone one is in. There is this thing called self-discipline (delayed gratification) that some people have simply lost touch with.
Loved the ep, but one thing really bothered me, during Russell's takedown of Archie: "Do you know [Abraham] Seligman, he has an interest in the canal in Panama, blah blah." The 1880s was the era of the unsuccessful French attempt at building the Canal, which ended in scandal & criminal charges against Ferdinand de Lesseps & his son. It was largely funded by sales of shares in the Compagnie Universelle du Canal Interocéanique de Panama. The backing of Seligman's bank (headed at that time by Abraham's nephew Isaac) didn't come until after 1900, once the Americans obtained the treaty & restarted the canal efforts. It was an odd anachronism for a show that otherwise seems to do such meticulous research -- it really bounced me right out of the story when I heard that. Oh well, loved the other 59 minutes :-)
Having just returned from Panama - fresh from the canal tour that talks all about the French and their notorious failure- I also thought that was odd. Americans were not involved. The French effort was a failure that would ruin Archie if he were invested. Not to mention if he’s actually sent TO Panama he’s highly likely to die of disease - which was one of the dooms of the project. America took decades to take up the project - they surveyed Nicaragua first and that had not even happened yet by 1882.
Very much enjoy this pod cast. I learn a lot. It provides background, historical context, and insight into the series. That said, I don't like it being posted before the episode airs. While we can guess where the plot lines and storylines may go, this should NOT be a primer for an upcoming episode, rather a discussion and exchange AFTER the episode airs and hopefully all commenting have seen it. This should function like a book club where all commenting have already read the book or at least the chapter being discussed. Suggestion: if you want to post something before an episode a purely historical podcast would be great. Do a full history lesson. This era is fascinating and is an integral part of the fabric of American history. I would LOVE to hear the most knowledgeable historians and experts discussing the real history of NY, immigration, the American caste system, the industrial age, politics, culture, dress, hair etc... as events, fashions, language etc... actually played out. That would be of enormous interest and very helpful, but please, don't post this pod cast before the episode airs.
Why don't you ask the director? He's a highly skilled director, I'm sure she had something he liked for the role. She has had other roles plus modeling.
The Russells better bring Gladys out and find her a husband. Otherwise she may end up like Edith and even Mary of Downton. Very bad for a girl not to be snapped up in her first season.
All this talk about smelling salts! I've never smelled them before, now I'm curious! Also I can't imagine someone like Agnes needing them. She's not the swooning type!
Although Julian Fellows is the creator of both shows, it is possible that the Downton Abbey characters are the intellectual property of Carnival Films/ITV/WGBH, and Fellows would be unable to use them in this HBO production.
@@acutierolls Thanks for the insight on this. Appreciated. I'll certainly listen, but AFTER watching the episode. Didn't know about the logistics of this.
I took a look at all the mansions and buildings Richard Morris Hunt build for the old New York and New New York elites but most of them have been demolished in the 1920s and 1930s why is that? Why not preserve beautiful architecture even if it is a tinier more cheaper version of a Chateau in Europe? Why did the Astor mansion and the original Waldorf-Astoria demolished for Empire State Building and the likes ?
Me who likes Marian and Tom trying to ease my mind when they started talking about names: "What's in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet" Please don't be cliché and go down that road with his character..
There is that theme and a few others l that are very telling. Agnes’ made Marian get new wardrobes to reflect her new place in society. The dresses are beautifully but they make a statement. Marian’s dresses are almost always blue and your yellow. I believe it represents Belle and Cinderella. We all know the stories and we see it whenever it appears. Agnes’ is Tremaine, by character and wardrobe. Disney now has changed with the world introducing new unconventional princesses that empower women not to be “weak” The cliche would only be half.
@@yrandyc11 I like your opinion, I hope you're right. Tom is an interesting character, I think they could do more with his story rather than making him precisely like his name implied.
@@shawoLynn Agreed. I was hoping that guy was really serious about Ada but it was a fail. So I’m thinking Tom cannot be the second time Agnes is right. Based on how George kept defending Gladys to Bertha and finally Gladys gets a lady maid instead of a governess and how he got her to finally let Archie come over, that there would be no nonsense. I actually expected him to grill him naturally as a father but to pose that ultimatum of giving him a career he wants in exchange for not courting Gladys, as a test to see if he really had good intentions, and that Archie would chose Gladys out of love and then George would reveal it was a test and he passed. Then I remembered, George doesn’t play when it comes to business of family as we clearly saw, so him doing this, isn’t that surprising. This way is the “cookie cutter” pattern applied to most television and movies I don’t care for despite the majority seeking to buy it every time.
@@yrandyc11 Right, both Mr.Eckhard and Gladys suitor didn't pass the test.. I kinda wonder, will they repeat the same pattern with suitor who came calling? 🙈 Anyway, I have high expectation when reading Tom character introduction in HBO website: "Tom understands that Marian’s aunts are very conservative and he’s careful not to overstep any boundaries along the way. He’ll put up a fight to get what he wants, but he’s an appealing, charming gentleman above all else." Reading that, I really expect him to fight and prove that everyone is wrong, that he'll get the girl but he'll do it in an appealing manner.
I am in Bangkok Thailand and the episode still has not dropped. It's almost midnight. How did you get to do the podcast already? Oh wait you are HBO. Any update on the Ayer cut of Suicide Squad?
That Rikes lawyer guy, I can smell him all the way from Costa Rica in 2022. I don't know exactly what it is but I can almost see the fleas jumping off of him. His vibe is probably the worst in the show, comparable only to that snake, Ms Turner. Ew. They should end up together and hate each other for eternity.
I don't know if the deal with this podcast uploading before the ep drops is a mistake or on purpose, but I do know that some youtube influencers/reviewers got the first 5 eps upfront to watch all at once. =\
There's something happening with the scheduling. In HBO it's scheduled for today, the internet everywhere says it premieres tomorrow the 22nd, and this podcast aired super early today. Still, I'm holding off until I watch the episode later
I don’t sense romantic chemistry between Marian and Tom. Maybe that is why I have a hard time getting interested in what becomes of them as a couple. I find their acting flat, separately and together. By contrast, I sensed chemistry immediately between Peggy and the editor (whose name escapes me) who wanted her to write an additional article about political leanings of disenfranchised women.
Anachronisms: Agnes van Rhijn would never have said "blah blah blah." For that matter, Peggy Scott would never have said, "She shouldn't have involved you." And the Russells' butler would never say, "Mrs. Russell plays a long game." Those expressions weren't in use until the twentieth century. Julian Fellowes is becoming lazy.
Just noticing the Narrator exposing his ignorance about the tenements. It should be pointed out that for most newly arrived immigrants, tenements were a welcomed change from living on the streets. Many had lived impoverished in Workhouses, or on streets back in London & Dublin, Ireland. So tenements gave them a minimal expectation of living in comfort. Many of these tenements were built by wealthy benefactors. Criticizing the wealthy in this context, shows a lack of historical insight.
It’s a visually interesting series but so far i find it incredibly boring. I keep waiting for some rising action. If I don’t see any by next week, I’m moving on to something else.
Check out more from The Gilded Age here: ruclips.net/p/PLO79iP69FaZOScg6bBpPj0CHQbJ2wf2zU
As a history major, I took a course on the Gilded Age. Luckily our professor's brother was on the Newport Preservation Society so we actually had a private 3-hour tour of the Breakers in Newport. All red ropes were removed and the tour guide let us sit on some of the furniture or pick up some of the mementos in the rooms. It was such an amazing experience.
How fun!! I went to a private dinner there and it was magical!
This is my FAVORITE show.
HBO has done it again. Fabulous, fabulous, fabulous!
The Van Rhijn Butler definitely felt superior, giving his subtle but firm critique of the tableware and placement of silverware, the three minutes he spent with the Russel's French chef!!!
Thank you, HBO, for these podcasts and your outstanding "The Gilded Age." I love watching the episode, then listening to the podcast, and then rewatching the episode. I am so appreciative of Alicia and Tom's excellent insights and recommendations for other reading and viewing supplements, and for the guests each week who are so delightful and informative. What fun this series is. Thanks again.
So there is NO QUESTION that BOTH Anne Morris and Aurora Fane were uncomfortable with Peggy's presence on the trip. Aurora was just a bit more polite about it, but her facial expressions did not go unnoticed. Racism was still rampant.
We are still talking about 1882, what do you expect? Remember we are talking about the top 1% of the 1% here. They would have had zero contact with anyone who wasn't white, even the servants were primarily white mostly Irish at this time. Many people today don't understand the difference btw Racism and Classism. While I think it is great to have the character of Peggy in the show, because there was a growing middle class that was more based on meritocracy, it is not likely that anyone regardless of color from the middle classes would have had any significant interaction with anyone at top 1% level,
@@mtngrl5859 oh yes I'm very aware of the times, my comment was a reply to Tom at 26:12 when he questions if Anne was uncomfortable around Peggy
Regarding the footmen; it should be stated that it was considered more prestigious to be served by a man than a woman so in the grander establishments the footmen was a social marker. Also the footmen's livery was provided by the masters since they would have had two sets each. The ordinary livery which was much like the white tie ensemble worn by the gentlemen and the brightly coloured state livery elaborately trimmed with gold braid and worn with white gloves, white silk stockings, patent leather shoes with silver buckles and sometimes with powdered wigs. Given the ornate nature of the footmen's liveries the cost would have been well beyond the means of any employee. It was normally the only uniform that as a rule was provided by the employer as a mark of the family's distinction.
I kept thinking that George was testing Archie, but seriously that was a cold hearted move.
I agree. It was one of the moves that made me think a little less of George. Obviously Bertha told him to do it so she’s the villain here. This story is based on the Vanderbilts, yes?
I thought that too that it was a test on whether Archie would sacrifice his career for love.
and I feel that Archie failed to show real backbone. lack of experience I guess. Maybe an older Achie will have more balls. would be interesting to see how Oscar will exploit Archie, it's bound to happen.
@@HisameArtwork The problem is that Archie is young and scared of George. George is so wealthy and connected and he developed a reputation of making good on his threats to ruin people.
I thought he tell him he could marry Gladys after he became wealthy, and George was giving him the opportunity to do so. I thought he might tell him to stay away from Gladys until then, or for five years, but not forever.
I love this series !!! My wish came true - a wonderful series about the gilded age as well as 1880’ s NYC, the upstairs and downstairs, the new money and old …. The podcast is a nice warm up to the episode tonight !!!
I admire the historical accuracy -
I just love this series…..it is just so well done.
True!
I think Gladys will end up being a Dollar Princess.
I have a strong suspicion that her story will mirror Consuelo Vanderbilt's
Same.
Agree
What about Peggy's story? Where do your suspicions lead there?
@@dkinla3408 What about Peggy's story? Where do your suspicions lead there?
@@jLachelle3 What about Peggy's story? Where do your suspicions lead there?
I don’t believe Mrs. Russell wouldn’t insist on a experienced lady’s maid for Gladys, because it’s important not to put a foot wrong in dress or socially, and the ladies maids knew everything about everyone in society.
observation: Gladys’ hair is terrible. split ends, no style, no curls…that wouldnt happen. Seems an overlooked detail. Strange for the perfection that exists elsewhere w wardrobe, hair and make up.
Picture just showed was The Breakers’ (Newport) Billiard Room! I was there on Friday!
Alva Vanderbilt was from old (southern) money[1] Mrs. Russell (Bertha) was from the middle class.
1.) Before the American Civil War Newport, R.I. was a place where very rich southern plantation
...... owners spent their summers. Their northern Newport neighbors were the elite of the east
..... coast (Brown's, Astor's, Biddles, etc.) Theodore Roosevelt's mother was one of the
..... southern belles who married into northern society families.
I was unaware that wealthy southern plantation owners frequented Rhode Island. Need to look into this. Do you have any links to share or sources of information where one can check this out?
@@tomlewis6430
Three (3) facts:
1.) Multi-generational wealth
2.) Pre-Federal income tax
"Revenue Act" (1913) The
IRS was created in 1910
by the 16th Amendment.
3.) Not only the ultra-rich
southern planters -- Also
southern bankers, southern
industrialists, southern
transportation magnates
stagecoach/freight,
later railroads) Less-wealthy
southerners made due with
a yearly trip to Saratoga
(NY) to "take the waters",
to mingle and to watch
the Thoroughbred
horse races (during
the racing "season")
ALSO:
Google/ Wikipedia
searches are your
go-to references:
*Newport, R.I. -- History*
AND
*Martha Stewart (née Bulloch)*
*"Mittie" Roosevelt* (born:
1835, in Connecticut, grew
up in Cobb county ...
Later Roswell ...
Georgia, USA
AND
*Alva Erskine (née Smith)*
*Vanderbilt Belmont*
(born: 1853, Mobile,
Alabama, USA)
@samantha smith
Broke? Or not as wealthy
as the noveau riche? (like
the Vanderbilts)?
btw: Teddy Roosevelt's mother
was a Southerner.
Before the new rich took
over NYC society Newport
was a vacation place where
Southern elites went to
spend the summer.
Marriage between Northern
and Southern elites were
common prior to the
American Civil War.
Just did a video on Ward McAllister and Mrs Astor. Along with a video on Alva Vanderbilt as an inspiration for Bertha. Coming up is more on Consuelo as an inspiration for Gladys. Thanks for bringing up Archie Baldwin because I was lost on who was Gladys's love interest. Love your podcast for all the insights into the GA story line.
I would watch your videos if you could get a human to do the voice over, the robot voice kinda makes them unwatchable. Since there is so little content on RUclips on this show, I get recommended your videos all the time but I’ve been clicking “stop suggesting videos from this channel” as a result 😕
Shameless plug!
Love the attention to detail the hosts exhibit in this podcast. Thank you
Thank you for producing these podcasts...Love this series...The sets and costumes are gorgeous. Actors are fantastic! This series deserves multiple Emmy's in all categories....
Series is set in the time period of Samuel Tilden and helping me to visualize more clearly his life style. I'm currently in pre-production to podcast his 2 volume bio from books and a screenplay I penned and revised over a decade ago.
As the daughter of Meryl Streep I’m sure we will be seeing a lot more of Louisa! She’s fantastic!!
Fantastic is going too far. I think she’s pretty good. I’m curious how much a part nepotism played in landing her this role. As fine as she is, I’m sure there were at least a half a dozen actresses just as good, if not better, that made it to the final rounds of call backs.
@@johnboy32064 / She seems a bit dull. Maybe it’s her immaturity.
@@johnboy32064 Looking at her previous roles, I don't think nepotism has helped her much.
@karifredrikson8492 her character is naive and dull.. She is finding her way...
I listened to this but it didn’t have any spoilers. Can’t wait for 9 pm tonight
Lol it didn't have any spoilers? They disect it scene by scene. It's ALL spoilers! Not that I mind because I always listen to the podcast on Tuesday afternoons AFTER I've watched the show. But each to his/her own.😊
Wow I didn’t even think about the fact that the characters’ names give a hint to their story arc
It is surprising that Marian was permitted to go on the trip without a chaperone. Did Agnes expect Aurora Fain to fill that role? It was clear from her exchange with Peggy that Agnes did not expect her to do it. On the other hand, Tom was not expected to be there.
@32:50 thank you for letting us know about the deleted scenes between Marian and Mr. Raikes (i.e. Mr. Raikes going to Marian's house in PA when she was selling her possessions, offering to bring her to the station, etc.) I do think Marian has feelings for Mr. Raikes but I'm not convinced Mr. Raikes is necessarily in love with her (or maybe he was at first back in PA but upon arrival in NYC and seeing all the glamour and glitz, who knows.) @38:24 I wonder when that second kiss will be!!!
I wondered how she managed to “close up the house” on her own.
Spoilers are not a problem. I hate listening to a podcast and then thinking I have to rewatch the episode.
AAAHHHH!! I can't listen to this and be spoiled yet!! >.< I still have 9 hrs left before the episode drops ... must, remain, strong ... ! xO
Ep 5 hasnt showed up in my hbogo in my timezone but cant wait longer therefore Im listening this❤️
I couldn't wait either! These podcasts are so fantastic even with the spoilers they're irresistible. & the good thing is (though HBO might think otherwise) with the spoilers in case someone doesn't have the time or interest in watching the whole episode it allows them to skim through it to watch the parts they prefer.
@12:30 I'd think back then if someone chose to not work in service at a grand mansion, the alternative would be to work in a factory? Between the two, living in a grand mansion sounds better.
5.57 all this time, I thought Miss Armstrong is the Van Rhijn housekeeper
same...maybe they mispoke.
Lovely! Thanks for these insights!
Duh! Of course Mrs. Morris and Aurora for that matter, were both clearly uncomfortable being around Peggy. Wasn't no guessing or thinking about it.
The actresses talking about the corsets is ridiculous!! If the corsets hurt that much, them they are doing them wrong. Please, please, please hire corset experts. A famous one is Bernadette Banner but I'm sure there are many more.
I love history and Period pieces. I am learning so much
Very disappointed to learn that so many scenes have been cut!
if it does very well maybe we'll get extended versions like we did for LOTR
Okay but why exactly DOES this podcast come out before the ep if you’re supposed to watch that first?? Why tease us HBO…
it's evil isn't it
I love your podcast. So glad I found you! Subscribed!
Wait, I'm like 10 hours away from the time episode to drop.
Watson is in love w that wealthy woman he goes go try and catch a glimpse of. A mysterious past.
I wish they would show him more, he seems to be an interesting character.
Some like to listen before the episode and others after. You chose for yourself. Personally I like to listen before.
Same, no one is forcing people to listen.
I completely agree
Agreed. I don't think it is a big deal. Since the program is streamed worldwide, no time would be the appropriate time to drop it depending on what time zone one is in. There is this thing called self-discipline (delayed gratification) that some people have simply lost touch with.
Loved the ep, but one thing really bothered me, during Russell's takedown of Archie: "Do you know [Abraham] Seligman, he has an interest in the canal in Panama, blah blah." The 1880s was the era of the unsuccessful French attempt at building the Canal, which ended in scandal & criminal charges against Ferdinand de Lesseps & his son. It was largely funded by sales of shares in the Compagnie Universelle du Canal Interocéanique de Panama. The backing of Seligman's bank (headed at that time by Abraham's nephew Isaac) didn't come until after 1900, once the Americans obtained the treaty & restarted the canal efforts. It was an odd anachronism for a show that otherwise seems to do such meticulous research -- it really bounced me right out of the story when I heard that. Oh well, loved the other 59 minutes :-)
Having just returned from Panama - fresh from the canal tour that talks all about the French and their notorious failure- I also thought that was odd. Americans were not involved. The French effort was a failure that would ruin Archie if he were invested. Not to mention if he’s actually sent TO Panama he’s highly likely to die of disease - which was one of the dooms of the project. America took decades to take up the project - they surveyed Nicaragua first and that had not even happened yet by 1882.
Very much enjoy this pod cast. I learn a lot. It provides background, historical context, and insight into the series. That said, I don't like it being posted before the episode airs. While we can guess where the plot lines and storylines may go, this should NOT be a primer for an upcoming episode, rather a discussion and exchange AFTER the episode airs and hopefully all commenting have seen it. This should function like a book club where all commenting have already read the book or at least the chapter being discussed. Suggestion: if you want to post something before an episode a purely historical podcast would be great. Do a full history lesson. This era is fascinating and is an integral part of the fabric of American history. I would LOVE to hear the most knowledgeable historians and experts discussing the real history of NY, immigration, the American caste system, the industrial age, politics, culture, dress, hair etc... as events, fashions, language etc... actually played out. That would be of enormous interest and very helpful, but please, don't post this pod cast before the episode airs.
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Just don’t watch it… some of us like to view this first
Don't watch the podcast first if you don't want spoilers..
Why would an unknown actress with zero experience get a lead??? Because of mummy…
Why don't you ask the director? He's a highly skilled director, I'm sure she had something he liked for the role. She has had other roles plus modeling.
The Russells better bring Gladys out and find her a husband. Otherwise she may end up like Edith and even Mary of Downton. Very bad for a girl not to be snapped up in her first season.
All this talk about smelling salts! I've never smelled them before, now I'm curious! Also I can't imagine someone like Agnes needing them. She's not the swooning type!
😂 I remember the smelling salts my mom had when I was a kid - those could bring you out of a coma!
@@RoxanneCarnePersonalStylist We had an ammonia capsule with the first aid supplies.
Yes, I passed out at the dentist once and they cracked an ammonia capsule under my nose
Who dresses Agnes and Ada and Marian? No one can do the corsets or backs of the their dresses by themselves.
Me too. Episode just finished.
I really hope to see a young Cora Levinson
Why can't Downton Abbey be stand alone as well as the Gilded Age? Why do you need it to cross over? leave it alone and enjoy the show
Although Julian Fellows is the creator of both shows, it is possible that the Downton Abbey characters are the intellectual property of Carnival Films/ITV/WGBH, and Fellows would be unable to use them in this HBO production.
Oh I'm so hoping for it! Could even think of Bertha and Mrs Levinson competing over getting their daughters into Englisch aristocracy!
Cora Levinson went to Englqnd around 1889-1890,so she would be a girl in 1882.
Besides,Fellowes said these universes won't cross
@@marila4495 wow that sounds amazing.
Why is podcast episode dropping before the episode has aired? Happened previous week too
I was just thinking the same thing 🤔
@@selinadeloach6680 Me also
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@@acutierolls Thanks for the insight on this. Appreciated. I'll certainly listen, but AFTER watching the episode. Didn't know about the logistics of this.
Most people who don’t like spoilers are waiting. Others enjoy listening to the podcast first.
I took a look at all the mansions and buildings Richard Morris Hunt build for the old New York and New New York elites but most of them have been demolished in the 1920s and 1930s why is that? Why not preserve beautiful architecture even if it is a tinier more cheaper version of a Chateau in Europe? Why did the Astor mansion and the original Waldorf-Astoria demolished for Empire State Building and the likes ?
Watson has a lost love Mrs NcNeil, we seen it on Episode 4
But as yet we don't know exactly who Mrs. McNeil is, do we?
Bertha has $ dollar princess plans for Gladys, but she'd better act before Gladys turns 18...
I think Gladys is already 18. I think in episode 3 George said to Bertha that many girls her age are already married.
All the eligible men will be married by the time she brings Gladys out.
Mrs Morris is uncomfortable w the presence of Miss Scott, and that Peggy and Aunt Agnes have accepted her into the household
What on earth is a lunch? They must be under the mistaken assumption that it's the proper term for a luncheon.
P.S. SPOILER ALERT! LOL Marian & Tom kiss again!
Truth told at first I was rooting for the Russell's but that woman is nasty as Agnes they deserve each other two prudes.
Me who likes Marian and Tom trying to ease my mind when they started talking about names: "What's in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet"
Please don't be cliché and go down that road with his character..
There is that theme and a few others l that are very telling. Agnes’ made Marian get new wardrobes to reflect her new place in society. The dresses are beautifully but they make a statement. Marian’s dresses are almost always blue and your yellow. I believe it represents Belle and Cinderella. We all know the stories and we see it whenever it appears. Agnes’ is Tremaine, by character and wardrobe. Disney now has changed with the world introducing new unconventional princesses that empower women not to be “weak” The cliche would only be half.
@@yrandyc11 I like your opinion, I hope you're right. Tom is an interesting character, I think they could do more with his story rather than making him precisely like his name implied.
@@shawoLynn Agreed. I was hoping that guy was really serious about Ada but it was a fail. So I’m thinking Tom cannot be the second time Agnes is right. Based on how George kept defending Gladys to Bertha and finally Gladys gets a lady maid instead of a governess and how he got her to finally let Archie come over, that there would be no nonsense. I actually expected him to grill him naturally as a father but to pose that ultimatum of giving him a career he wants in exchange for not courting Gladys, as a test to see if he really had good intentions, and that Archie would chose Gladys out of love and then George would reveal it was a test and he passed. Then I remembered, George doesn’t play when it comes to business of family as we clearly saw, so him doing this, isn’t that surprising. This way is the “cookie cutter” pattern applied to most television and movies I don’t care for despite the majority seeking to buy it every time.
@@yrandyc11 Right, both Mr.Eckhard and Gladys suitor didn't pass the test.. I kinda wonder, will they repeat the same pattern with suitor who came calling? 🙈
Anyway, I have high expectation when reading Tom character introduction in HBO website:
"Tom understands that Marian’s aunts are very conservative and he’s careful not to overstep any boundaries along the way. He’ll put up a fight to get what he wants, but he’s an appealing, charming gentleman above all else."
Reading that, I really expect him to fight and prove that everyone is wrong, that he'll get the girl but he'll do it in an appealing manner.
I am in Bangkok Thailand and the episode still has not dropped. It's almost midnight. How did you get to do the podcast already? Oh wait you are HBO. Any update on the Ayer cut of Suicide Squad?
That Rikes lawyer guy, I can smell him all the way from Costa Rica in 2022. I don't know exactly what it is but I can almost see the fleas jumping off of him. His vibe is probably the worst in the show, comparable only to that snake, Ms Turner. Ew. They should end up together and hate each other for eternity.
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Please talk about how this related to the real characters Vanderbilts and Consuelo
Hey, I'm paying for HBO MAX, and I don't see episode 5 yet. What's up with that? It's all over RUclips so someone's watching it.
I don't know if the deal with this podcast uploading before the ep drops is a mistake or on purpose, but I do know that some youtube influencers/reviewers got the first 5 eps upfront to watch all at once. =\
@@oh4freaksake HBO should stop providing it to whoever is leaking it. Maybe someone at HBO should not be working there anymore.
There's something happening with the scheduling. In HBO it's scheduled for today, the internet everywhere says it premieres tomorrow the 22nd, and this podcast aired super early today. Still, I'm holding off until I watch the episode later
@@languageresources2314 Thanks! I'll just have to wait.
I don’t sense romantic chemistry between Marian and Tom. Maybe that is why I have a hard time getting interested in what becomes of them as a couple. I find their acting flat, separately and together.
By contrast, I sensed chemistry immediately between Peggy and the editor (whose name escapes me) who wanted her to write an additional article about political leanings of disenfranchised women.
Anachronisms: Agnes van Rhijn would never have said "blah blah blah." For that matter, Peggy Scott would never have said, "She shouldn't have involved you." And the Russells' butler would never say, "Mrs. Russell plays a long game." Those expressions weren't in use until the twentieth century. Julian Fellowes is becoming lazy.
The term "the long Game' was in use in the 1860's, the show is okay with that one.
They also use the word "Got" when "Have" should be used...
I dont think this of Raikes. I think he got her money.
why don't you put the Raised By Wolves podcast on youtube?
Is It coming his dark materials season 3
I hate that this is uploaded before the episode is aired.
Bertha Russell just wants to meet Mrs.. Astaire. An one way or the other she will
Mrs Astor
Gilded age series
This was almost a good episode. Not great. This podcast, however, is always excellent.
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Pity they couldn't of also had someone of colour as a part of the podcast team. I think it would better inform the discussion.
@@MyDsmall - I meant as a regular.
Any minority would be great in addition to someone black as their pov may enhance our understanding of Peggy's character. The more the merrier!
New York is dirty and run down now. I might visit but never live there.
New York was much, much dirtier in the Gilded Age!
@@stanbrown32 Chamber pots and kitchen garbage emptied into the streets. Ugh.
@@genxx2724 And think of all the horses in the streets!
Very disappointed.There is no talented,charming,beautiful or handsome actor and actress.Two thumps all the way down.The story is a mess….
Just noticing the Narrator exposing his ignorance about the tenements. It should be pointed out that for most newly arrived immigrants, tenements were a welcomed change from living on the streets. Many had lived impoverished in Workhouses, or on streets back in London & Dublin, Ireland. So tenements gave them a minimal expectation of living in comfort. Many of these tenements were built by wealthy benefactors. Criticizing the wealthy in this context, shows a lack of historical insight.
It’s a visually interesting series but so far i find it incredibly boring. I keep waiting for some rising action. If I don’t see any by next week, I’m moving on to something else.