The Official Gilded Age Podcast | Ep. 8 “Tucked Up in Newport” | HBO
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- In part one, hosts Alicia Malone (TCM) and Tom Meyers (The Bowery Boys) recap episode 8 and explore “the city by the sea” -- Newport, Rhode Island. They discuss the lavish mansions built and purchased by New York’s elite during the Gilded Age and the activities they engaged in during their stay.
In Part two, they are joined by Denée Benton (Peggy Scott) to discuss Denée’s role in actively shaping Peggy’s storyline and character development, and production designer Bob Shaw to discuss the technical and creative decisions he and his crew had to make while designing for the production.
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We are in love with Denee'. She is so talented and does an amazing job in this role. God her 🙏
I was waiting for the moment when Bertha was going to finally “Ann Morris” Mrs. Astor and it has begun. Her having to be pushed downstairs and rushed throughout the servants quarters, kitchen, and back yard while they worked was the last straw. She doesn’t do it in NY, and she won’t do it in RI either. I believe that since George has been exonerated, she is going to do exactly what she did in NY, build a huge mansion to rival the old in Newport. I knew the real battle was going to be Russell vs Astor. Season 2 will be AMAZING!! CAN’T WAIT!!!!!!!!
Of course, that's what it'll come to because Mrs. Russell is in truth just Mrs. Vanderbilt renamed for the series and the conflict is going to be the same historic one that Mrs. Vanderbilt (then fairly new money) once had with Mrs. Astor (the original old guard, name unchanged in the series).
I was in that “new mansion” today! Visited Marble House in Newport, RI. So much fun, so beautiful. Her lavender bedroom was especially lovely. (Restored fabric based on original pattern.)
It’s the second to the last episode and I already know that I’m gonna miss this podcast. I always search for it here immediately after I see the tv episode. Alicia and Tom made the Gilded Age history sound extremely interesting. It’s like listening in on friends just chatting about gossip, peppered with inside jokes- your bit about Richard Morris Hunt (with snaps!) always cracked me up!
Oh my goodness…..I teared up after finding out Miss Peggy Scott’s history 😢😓💔
I think a lot of us really did
Do we think the child is really dead? I think this is a setup for a larger story. I love this character.
@@jakithomas9558 I don't think the child is dead.. "Central casting" is looking for a 2 year old black child for the next season...
@@1953childstar I didn't think he was either. That is exciting. Look forward to season two.
Armstrong did Peggy dirt!@
I felt episode 8 was too short. Maybe I wanted to see more things play out. I'm sure that George is very grateful to Marian. I'm rather sad episode 9 will be the season finale.
Mr. Russell will have no problem approving of Larry's choice for a wife in season 2.
I wish Larry will choose Marian for a wife
Season finale is coming up, and we still don't know who the staff is, or their motivations.
I kinda wonder if George is going to be the one to expose Raikes, or at least set that in motion somehow.
I’m not. The snobbery and racism are painful to watch.
Have we all just passed over the fact that Aunt Agnes has had, it seems several miscarriages? That seems important to her stoic personality?
Absolutely! The losses may not have only been limited to miscarriage. I’ve wondered why such a tough and savvy woman is so indulgent of her wayward adult son; knowing she lost little ones and only Oscar remained helps explain some of their dynamics.
Miscarriages, or children that died.
And Ada says about the late Mr. Van Rhijn - "he's not a man you want to be alone with".
I'm stunned at how George treated Turner regarding her transgression, especially entering his room again in the dead of night to express her intent, while relegating Mrs. Ainsley to complete and utter ruin. Why he let Turner off so easy is beyond me.
Maybe because Turner's shennanigans didn't almost land him in jail. I think he was trying to protect both of them. Imagine what may have happened to Turner if Bertha knew what happened, that girl would be turned to pureé and sent to the bottom of the Hudson River, or Bertha may start doubting him, which we obviously know she has nothing to fear on that front, cuz George is wrapped around her finger. I also think he didn't want to undermine his wife's authority, after all, Turner was Bertha's employee, not his, so it was not his place. Also consider traditional gender roles of the time, and how George would have looked if he had ran to his wife with the "chisme" about her own handmaiden. I'd also say it was way more effective to portray his personality thay he remained calm, spoke his mind clearly and concisely and left absolutely no room for interpretation. It felt even more humilliating that way: "Ew, out, I'll stay quiet if you leave me alone. Out"
@@languageresources2314 George, tired of ranking below his wife’s ambition, is going to fall for Marian after Raikes the rake breaks her mildly racist heart. That’s my guess.
@@VerdantSquare Maybe, my money is on getting her married to his son as a thank you for saving his behind, after either Marian finds out she's not broke like Rikes told her or he leaves her pregnant in the street. I read in another comment that her dad may have invested in Mr Rusell's Railroad company and he just hasn't associated the two, and in passing someone may mention her story to him and it'll click, or something of the sort, which might even soften Bertha to marry her son into that money.
John Adams is a stunt queen and I'm HERE for it
John Adams is handsome, and I enjoyed his turnaround is fair play- in chatting up Gladys Russell. That was great.
Me too! That was hilarious, John Adams just popped up and stole the show. He showed that Oscar-lover; two can play this game!
The ultimate stunt queen 😂 I gagged when I seen his arrival 😆
Not a stunt Queen 😂🤣🤣💀💀💀
Cthu I'm dying 🤣🤣. He was not playing with him. He might get a chance with little lady Russell, she was enjoying his company soooo much!!
Peggy baby is still alive and her father lied to her
Agreed
marian/peggy friendship has really delight me.peggy making marian see how the world works for people of color.glad marian save mr russell bacon ,always good to have powerful friend ,he seem to respect her.
Agree. Marian doesn’t know it but she now has a lifelong friend in George , that will be very helpful for her down the road.
@samantha ssmith That's naive. You need to understand the period and not try to fit it into today's world.
My money is on Peggy's son being alive. Why else would the midwife completely disappear without a trace, unless Peggy's father paid the midwife to take the child and say it died.
Very good point!!
agree
EXACTLY. I thought the same thing! 👏👏👏
Precisely
Dang!,, you are good!!!
THANK YOU all so much for this. I think I look forward to this podcast nearly as much as the show. I would like to say to Denee , who notes how important it is for women of color to see the stories of the Black elite society, that I suspect it may be just as impactful for non-Black folks (like me). My family is from the South & although I marched in Civil Rights marches , I had NO idea there was such a group. Nor, did I know about the Reformation period when many Black businesses briefly flourished. Especially in this time of ridiculous arguments about what can't be taught in schools, we desperately need this information out there. Thank you again.
I loved seeing the “casino” which is the International Tennis Hall of Fame in Newport. My Son received an award there and seeing those grass courts brought back great memories!! We also had a beautiful dinner at The Breakers…truly a night to remember!
I am so glad they did not drag out the court ordeal several scenes. If i want to see legal stuff, i can watch other shows lol
What if Raikes was with holding information about Marion’s wealth? He handled her fathers affairs so what if she inherited a large fortune and tries to marry Marion not telling her she’s rich after all, trying to claim the money she doesn’t know about.
People keep bringing this up, but think about what we know about Marion's dad. Agnes and Ada have already told us he was not a good brother he was not good with money he had no money he would rather see them starve then not take on a gambling debt etc. And if he had all that money he would at least have said some aside for his daughter. He didn't even own a house. Why all of a sudden would there be all these millions of dollars sitting in a secret bank account that only the rakes knows about? It doesn't make any sense. It's a natural Arc to have two people who should be together not be able to get together until at least series four or five lol. It always has to be some complication or misunderstanding or something that comes between them. Race has not had to use her to social climb at all and even if he did, what does he just marry one of these millionaire young ladies that he's now been introduced to? Everybody's misjudging him in my opinion
Never trust a lawyer….. from a well u know
@@mindyhanson4124 you never know might be a plot twist and turns out Marion’s father had some stashed away. Remember in downton abbey when Mathew’s fiancés dad or was it uncle “Reggie swire” left him a fortune? Mathew mentioned the man was never thought or look to have such a fortune. So maybe the dad was misunderstood as well. Never know but I do appreciate your thinking and light on the subject.
My thoughts exactly
Well... one person has come out on top...Marion! Her conversation with George earned her a massive favor. Plus, she is good company to Bertha, age worthy friend to Carrie and a confident to Larry. If she elopes with Mr. Raines, she may need the Russell family to help boost his career and establish herself in society. Can't wait to see how Mr. Baines gets even with Mr. Church.
We all hope Mr. Raines is an honorable man.
What another wonderful episode of GA and episode of The Official Podcast! As a former guide at the Breakers, Marble House, and The Elms I was picturing every scene as the production director explained where they took place or the inspiration for the scenes. I am ready to get in the car right now and go back to Newport!! Probably will later in the week!! ( Not far, I live in Connecticut!😊)
Like many people said Tom Raikes is sus. My theory is that the father of Marian has some shares in the Russel company. I mean we know he invested money in this kind of business. So Marian is in fact rich and not as poor as Raikes makes her think. And he wants to marry her just for her money.
Now we know that in the next episode there will be a bal and miss Van Rihn and Agnes will be there(thx to promo pictures). And also Marian will run with Tom Raikes to marry him. So maybe Mr. Russel because Marian helped him, will remember that there are someone named Brook who has some huge shares in his company and will ask to Miss Van Rihn during the bal if Marian is her relative .
So that Ms Van Rihn will have the proof that Marian is in fact rich and Tom Raikes lied to her and want to marry her just for her money. And maybe they will try to prevent her to run with Raikes and tell her the truth.
Anyway it’s just a thought, we will see how it will play out.
Good thoughts. You should be one of the writers. ✅
@@leerhode1021 I agree!
That is a delicious theory. I just love it!
Love it.
So, we can safely say that Mr Russell was saved by a Marian Ex Machina? I think Raikes is gonna break her heart, the Russells are gonna come to her rescue and marry her to their son to save her reputation, and that's gonna cause either Agnes to finally accept them and convince Mrs Astor to let them in, or, worst case scenario, turn her back on Marian and start a full on war, by Mrs. Astor's side, the whole society is gonna pick a side and season 2 is gonna be on FIREEEEEEEEE, my mom and I have bets with like money in envelopes. Not kidding, every episode we make our bets, stick money in an envelope with our predictions written on them, and we take the corresponding envelope when each prediction comes to pass in the next one. Since I'm hitting home run after home run with my predictions and I feel bad for taking my mom's cash I'll buy her something nice with my winnings at the end of the season. The only one she has won so far was Mr. Russell not going to jail. I have $1 on something just horrible happening in the final episode, my mom said not a chance, but just in case she put $2 on a fire, so I put $3 on someone getting poisoned, lol. In today's episode I won Church blabbering to Agnes and Ada about Bannister.
Thats so nice you can do the bets with your mom, and that you have someone you can watch the show with.
In real life, Mrs. Astor was the one who ultimately united the old money and the new money of NYC. Because she knew if she didn’t, the old money would eventually be wiped out.
@@spacecadet2172 As I understand it, McAllister was the one constantly rubbing elbows with the new money and started getting them into Mrs. Astor's circles until both circles were united. Astor was always very against new money, yes, she had a part in the unification of new and old money, because as you said she knew that otherwise the old money would get vaporized in the economic boom, but she very adamantly wanted to keep away from the new people, it was mostly McAllister who got her to slowly start taking in the newcomers, just like it's being portrayed in the series. Remember the scene with her daughter where Mrs Astor basically said she wouldn't get caught dead in the Russel's ball because of their status (or lack thereof), she wasn't all open arms, at least not at first.
@@languageresources2314 yes that’s why I said ultimately. In the future she changes her tune greatly. In a desperate attempt at self-preservation. I’m talking about real life as I said, not the show. But I’m sure the show will go there eventually. McAllister was her henchman, but she was the one who decided which families were admitted and which weren’t, in the end. They literally referred to that time as “Mrs. Astor’s New York”.
Marian ex machina… well done.
OMG, the ending, there will be repercussions :-D
Brooklyn scenes were SO AMAZING. Thanks so much to the filmmakers for bringing us this level of craft. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼❤❤❤
Is Tom Raikes a genuine person or is he using Marian for her status I keep changing my mind each week!! I hope things work out for Peggy with her father, she is a gifted writer.
How many people have warned her of Tom Raikes? She's a bit naive.
I am a little afraid of that relationship. She needs to give it time. I don't think her Aunt Agnes is wrong. She may be hard in her approach but like how warm she is towards Peggy. I think she cares deeply about people but stands strong in her ethics.
@@ginnys8215 i agree. She`s a romantic. I think he knows something about her father's money. I bet she really isn't broke. I'm very suspicious about his intentions. Plus, she is anxious to be her own person, not live in the shadow of her aunts or father. At the same time, I am hopeful that he is genuine.
@@jakithomas9558 Jaki I never thought about Miriam's father's money, thank You.
@@teresafoster5818I don't think her dad was that foolish with money, especially since he had a daughter. I think he left her something and Tom may know. Plus, we don't know his full story, only the part that made Agnes angry. I think there is more to know.
Told y'all Mrs,Van Rhjin was all heart under everything ,she's just scared and wants to make sure everyone in her family and her friends are all good and that doesn't happen if it's all fun and games.
Danae sounds like such a lovely thoughtful artist, I hope Peggy’s story continues to grow while remaining authentic and true for the time period.
Can someone explain to me why Ward Mccalisters has such a strong southern accent when he is from New York?
Hooray for Oscar being sidelined by his secret lover lol!!
I believe McCallister and his wife were originally from the south.
it’s Denée 😉 She was in Hamilton
@@spacecadet2172 thank you for the correction, I will try to edit my comment ☺️
Oscar getting sidelined by his lover was outstanding. Gladys seems to be quite taken too.
@@LSTEdD1 wasn't it Virginia or North Carolina,?
I wonder - would the Levinsons have rubbed shoulders with NY society during this timeframe. I recall Mrs Levinson noting that she had a “small cottage on Belle Vue Avenue” in the later episodes of Downton Abbey.
Didn't Caroline Astor mention that one of the "new people" who her mother saw was a Livingston before she married?
@@mrb4761 oooh quite possibly.
The plot thickens!
I may be alone in these feelings but after what Peggy's dad did, I'd rather stay with Agnes personally.
You are not alone. But I get it, nobody else would work with Agnes. She is really old school even for her time period. She remains the same as the rest of the world wants to welcome change.
I admit, that for all of this season, I was Team Tom Raikes, but I am beginning to have doubts. He is too smooth and too rushed in his courtship with Marion. Then he is being seen everywhere and others are noticing it. Hmmmm… Save Marion!
The episode when he attempted to coax Marion to let him into her hotel room is what sealed it for me! At that time period, Marion would have been ruined if she had allowed it and anyone found out. Any gentleman would Never ask that risk, particularly of a woman he loved.
@@lisa_wistfulone7957
Exactly! A decent if that’s time would not put a woman like Marion in an indecent situation. That really made him out to be an imposter of sorts.
I've been to the Vanderbilt 'cottage' in Newport - it is absolutely gorgeous 😍 ✨
I visited it like 20 years ago and you are right, it’s gorgeous. I could live there 😀
Ah, the lovely lives of rich white people. 😪
This episode was 👏🏽👏🏽
I do hope this series continue. Wonderful episodes.
All of you have missed it. Ms Dixon was a stenographer who is gone. Peggy can take her place. The lawyer is hiding money. She find that out a date Larry. Thus all will have transferred from the old money house to the new money house.
@samantha ssmith Uh... Mrs Russel will certainly NOT let her only son marry down (to a colored secretary, no less).
@samantha ssmith Child you going to get sick if you keep trying to fit that period into your modern narrative.
Thanks for mentioning the Pestigo fire, but it is pronounced PESH ti go, not pesh Ti go. AND... it is in Wisconsin
This show is all over the place with its storylines. I wish they would slow down, and introduce the cast, especially the help. This show could be great, it just needs to reduce its storylines from 2,000 to maybe ten.
I found that re-watching an episode allows one to better keep up with the various story lines. I like the format as it is, it keeps things interesting.
I love Newport! It is one of my favorite places. I always do the cliff walk, (I hope it is restored) it is a great way to check out the mansions without the official tours. So much to do!
Can we have a podcast ep with blake ritson? PLEASE I NEED THAT.
GREAT SHOW
You're saying you don't want to make excuses for Armstrong, and then you do.... Why can't y'all just say that Armstrong is racist? Her actions go past having a preconceived opinion on someone that doesn't look like her.
It has been an absolute delight to listen to this podcast and follow the BTS details of this truly wonderful series. Thank you team.
I didn't catch that Ms Ainsley was married to Dixon. Was that an assumption because she was charging his account?
I like the russels. It’s horrible to be snubbed. My mother made the biggest mistake of her life when after marrying my father and emigrated to the country they lived. She did not go to the biggest socialite ‘s birthday party. They paid dearly. And so did I . We where never invited to the important parties and dinners. And after her brother became the director of the biggest bank my parents where blacklisted by him and his wife. So. Believe me it’ was very very painful.. and this is “ modern times”. Thanks god everything is different now.
Social snubbing only matters to those who value social status. If you don't care about 'society', who gives a rat's a$$ what those people think?
I think Mr Collyer is Ms McNeal's father
But who is Ms McNeal?
Me too
We like John Adams.
Yes, to a degree.
What?? Only nine episodes? 😕
Bertha Russell isn't my favorite, but dragging her through the kitchen and hustling her out the back door was just WRONG. I know I'm looking at it with 2022 vision, but treating her like that was just vile. And Beechwood is now owned by Larry Ellison, the founder of Oracle- someone Mrs. Astor most definitely would not have approved of because he is "new money".
Whatever your eyes, it was wrong then, even if the mainstream was ok with it. It still was wrong. Just like the treatment of Peggy. There were white people then who knew it was wrong. No passes.
New Money absolutely should have been ushered unceremoniously into the kitchen yard because she had no business being in Mrs. Astor's house in the first place. It's as true now as it was then that one does not enter a home without the owner's permission. If I'm Mrs. Astor, my butler is fired, Mr. McAllister is on friendship probation and Mrs. Russell is cut to the quick. I don't dislike Bertha but I'm fine with her dodging fish blood and chicken feathers for her foolishness in this instance. She was out of line.
Of all the questions that I hope are answered in Episode 9, the most important ones are about Tom Raikes. I just hope his character is made crystal clear--whatever it is!
I'd love to see Marian with Mr. Russell. Just had this fleeting thought during the Mrs. Dixon purse return. I thought THAT would be an interesting couple.
And how long has Mrs. Dixon been working for Mr. Russell, and why didn't Pinkerton's detectives discover this?
Did I miss it or did you leave out any mention of Marian and Mr. K eloping? And, her scandalous and bold impromptu visit to his office?!
Why didn’t they use astors beechwood. I knew right away it wasn’t the house Also the Newport Casino is still there part of the international tennis hall of fame
I am so very very sad this series will have no season 2. I just can't believe it.this is one of the best shows TV ever had.
I read there will be a Season 2
@@Nightbird1914 I So hope that there is. I love this show!
@@gracie1283 Me too!
The show got a renewal in February for season 2.
@@ImaStar27 yay I'm so happy!!!
Love 👍🤧💕💕💕💕💕
I didn’t buy that the stenographer would just openly admit to all those crimes she committed in court like that, esp as it implied she was having an extramarital affair and would ruin her “honor” (not my opinion but how it was in those times). Happy with the result though, but it seemed a bit too fortunate and implausible
She was caught totally off guard. I’m thinking the shock of it caused her to blurt out thoughtlessly and continue to blunder her defense.
A Perry Mason moment
I think it was a very "dirty" (but effective) trick employed by Mr. Russell's lawyer, accusing her of being seen in Bloomingdale's with Mr. Dixon and telling her he had good evidence for it, knowing this was false, so she would immediately defend herself by correcting him before she realized she was giving herself up. Like telling a kid that you know they took exactly 7 cookies from the jar because you counted them in order to get them to say "that's not true, I only took ONE cookie" and confess.
I predict that this very good series will not last very long. Even if it gets great ratings it will not matter.
Just as with other great HBO series like " ROME " and " Deadwood ", HBO will cancel the series because
it is much too expensive to produce and the costs cut into their profits more than they like.
Do not F with George Russell. He will make you regret your whole life. The man is a savage if you cross him. I want to like Bertha but she is a terrible person. George deserves better.
Nah, you, like George just don't understand how incredibly smart Bertha really is. Is she conniving? Sure. Manipulative? No doubt. Ruthless? Definitely. But a terrible person? Not at all. She just wants the best for her and her family and she is determined to get it no matter the cost, monetary or any other. Is she being self-centered, and not taking anyone's opinion but her own? Of course! And that is definitely not a good thing, she definitely should learn to communicate with her family like a loving relative would, asking their opinion, involving them in her plans, taking their plans, trials and tribulations into consideration before deciding for them, but remember, this is the tail end of the 19th century, that was the way these women were taught to carry themselves. Look around the rest of the female characters, they all act the same way. Van Ryhn, Astor, Aurora, Clara Barton, Mrs. Morris, etc. They were women who knew what they wanted, how to get it, and would stop at nothing till they had it. Sad, but true.
I totally realize how smart Bertha is. Doesn't make her a good person. She is willing to sell her own children to uplift her own position in society. That is wrong in so many ways. They have enough money to not care about the BS rules of NY society. Why not want what is best for her children not what is best for her own position in NY elite?
How to pronounce Peshtigo - PESHT-A-GO. No long EE sound. Thank you from a Wisconsin native.
I just cant figure out what Fellowes is doing with the down stair folk. There is really nothing going on, just little side bits of the characters but no real movement. There really is nothing to any of them makes a viewer really care about them.
Very true
I agree. It doesn’t help that we now have two houses of servants to learn about rather than one in Downton.
Just had an idea... while we wait the season 2 Lord Fellowes can create a downstairs story series to update us on the staff before next season! ...In his free time!! 😅
I would have been more impressed if they had bothered to use the correct pronunciation of "Peshtigo." It wouldn't have been difficult to find.
"It's a wild ride"...really Tom? How dramatic.
Can’t stand her voice moving on