30:40 Dashiell isn't great. Like Agnes he has no regard for the less fortunate and no respect for Marian's work or its importance to her. He actually said to her, "It's not like you're a _real_ teacher" when she politely declined and explained why she'd miss his party. Plus, he expects her to step into the role of motherhood without having any idea if that's something she wants for herself because they've never discussed it. He has assumed she'd want to marry him, leave her job and mother his child because that's what women of that era were expected to want and do. Worse, he manipulated her into a position where she almost couldn't say no without causing herself a great deal of public embarrassment and possibly even social scorn. It's so obvious he isn't right for her. I was hoping she'd say no anyway.
that scene definitely was a red flag that he's all wrong for her. I can't believe she caved to pressure and accepted the engagement. Proposing in public is so manipulative. She's definitely gotta dump him. Agnes will not be amused.
@@graphiquejackI agree she should break the engagement and she may not have much time to do so. Things could move swiftly now that she has accepted his railroad proposal.
@@hannahpatwell5435 Larry is such an honorable sweetheart. I actually laughed when he rather naively spoke of his intention to marry Mrs. Blane, as if Bertha would allow that. She's clearly determined he marry a young heiress. Think she's planning to pair her daughter and the Duke too?
@@InimitableAde oh she definitely is, with who she's based off of, that is Gladys future. And we all know that Bertha would tell Marion that she isn't good enough for her son if they got together. But see here's the thing, unlike Mrs blane, Marion wouldn't take that lying down. She would politely tell Bertha to stuff it. And we know that Agnes would initially pitch the biggest fit, and Larry would have to work on Agnes all season but he would wait and accomplish it for her blessing something that Tom Raikes could not do. I mean in the first season, Agnes even admits that she likes Larry and that the only thing wrong with him is the fact that he's Bertha's son. She seriously tried to find something wrong with him and couldn't.
I thoroughly enjoy the show! The music gives me Goosebumps!!! But couldn't the show writers give Aunt Ada at least a couple episodes of happiness and marital bliss!?
Aunt Ada has had a good life. She did not have to be married to a horrible man to make a living, she did not have to fend for herself and she enjoyed upper class life thanks to her sister.
@@_adrian_sean Reality of the era: Men frequently died in their 40's Horrible realities of the era: Two out of every ten women died in childbirth or of childbed fever (postpartum infections) One out of every four children born died before their tenth birthday.
Make something exclusive and everyone wants in. Notice that once Oscar contributed a larger investment check Maude has to leave town? Sounds like a grift.
You're right! So shady. Oscar is about to lose whatever fortune remains to him. We only thought we saw Agnes lose it over Ada's engagement. Heads will roll when she finds out he's been foolish with his inheritance.
I keep telling my husband that I think it's a grift. He said, "But they don't want Oscar to invest." I told him that's part of the grift. Them telling Oscar they don't want his money makes him want to give the money even more.
I love this podcast immensely! Y’all both have such lovely voices; I could listen for hours. Thanks for all of the supportive backstories. The Vanderbilts are interesting for me personally as my youngest is a junior at Vanderbilt University, currently. He’s a philosophy major. Ok, sorry for the mombrag, I meant to say: I AM YOUR BIGGEST FAN. Thank you for a FANTASTIC podcast.👏🏼👏🏼🫶🏼
I think George Russell is a good person at his core. It has been hinted that he came from humble beginnings & I think he sees his father in Henderson & maybe a little of himself in Henderson's son , as well as the way his own life might have gone if circumstances had been different. I hope that since he's glimpsed more of the human side of his workers, he will be willing to listen to them & make some positive changes like implementing a school & making working conditions safer. I hope his story echoes that of Carnegie who, once he returned to the US & learned details of the Homestead massacre, was horrified at the bloodshed & was a changed man after. It was after this event that he became more committed to philanthropic acts & seemed to be truly repentant of his earlier attitude.
After watching this episode I get why nobody is surprised by Armstrong's behaviour. Initially I thought are the other servants really blind to how awful she is to Ms Scott? It turns out that Armstrong is awful to everyone so that's why nobody is surprised or shocked by her constant vile behaviour no matter who is on the receiving end.
I just ached for Marion and Ada this episode. Marion likes Larry and Larry likes Marion, so why is that not happening? She's not into Dashiel. How infuriating for him to put her in that situation having never even mentioned marriage to her. And Agnes egging it on. Marion has to find a way to get out of it. Maybe Larry will step up now and tell her how he feels. And poor Ada. Married two seconds and the man is probably dying. Credit to Agnes for not doing a jig, but instead going to her aid to help. At least Ada will have experienced happiness in her life and have perhaps a small inheritance of her own.
This was an explosive episode. My heart ached with Ada, who can deny Marians dilemma, mmm George do we think he may start a school or......, love Peggy Scotts strength and the new twists and turns downstairs. Love this show.
Love this show with all its various storylines based albeit loosely on actual people and events. From the storyline based more on fiction, wonder if we’ll learn backstory regarding Mrs. Van Rhijn and Mrs. Astor as they are among the few old money New Yorkers on a first name basis with each other.
The Gilded Age was a time of horrendous exploitation, small children had to work alongside their parents all day long. Most of that wealth was built on the misery of the American Workers. The Robber Barons were Monsters.
Wikipedia has a group of pages based on "Year (of) ... 1883, etc." It won't give you the list of everything that is happening. But it mentions significant events (The Met Opera opening was not listed, as I recall)
For the love of god get that guy and his daughter out the way so they can finally get down to Marian true love. LARRY. like it’s so obvious they love each other but I guess the writers trying to give Marian one more obstacle before Larry OFFICIALLY comes into the picture. I want to see how the Russells and van rhijn handle them being together😩
@@keshiamccray Oscar doesn't 'deserve' it. He's in a difficult position. He needs to hide his sexuality and he needs an heir as his mother keeps pressuring him to fulfill. I genuinely believe he liked both Gladys and Maud, and would have treated them well and with respect, even if he can't love them like a straight man could. I feel sorry for him, and he's shown a much softer side this season. But if he is ruined financially, maybe he won't care as much about his social standing, and he can run off with John Adams
I was disappointed with the Peggy development of getting feelings for Mr. Fortune and wish the show would introduce an unmarried reporter or businessman for her love life. I also dislike that they gave us less than an episode of marriage before introducing a death sentence on Ada's new husband. Both moves feel sloppy.
Being a Downton Abbey fan, i am not surprised the show gave Aunt Ada’s new husband death sentence, due to both shows were written by the same person. I still remember the heartbreak storylines in season 3 of Downton.
Loooove this show I will say at the end when russel called off the gun men, well…the exact opposite played out. I realize the russels are fiction, but the storyline they were borrowing from with the strikes played out very different.
I doubt George will cave on the pay, but he may be able to negotiate with the strikers and offer better, safer working conditions and some amenities like a school. I just hope it will be enough.
I wished The Gilded Age story plots weren't so mild and predictable. An example the union situation seemed very unrealistic. I had hoped to see more realism in the storylines and less wonder bread fantasy.😐
I read more in the Heinz Museum than the show about this period, and it’s a bit disappointing they tried to make him likable; I also wanted more subplots about the mill workers as well.
30:40 Dashiell isn't great. Like Agnes he has no regard for the less fortunate and no respect for Marian's work or its importance to her. He actually said to her, "It's not like you're a _real_ teacher" when she politely declined and explained why she'd miss his party. Plus, he expects her to step into the role of motherhood without having any idea if that's something she wants for herself because they've never discussed it. He has assumed she'd want to marry him, leave her job and mother his child because that's what women of that era were expected to want and do. Worse, he manipulated her into a position where she almost couldn't say no without causing herself a great deal of public embarrassment and possibly even social scorn. It's so obvious he isn't right for her. I was hoping she'd say no anyway.
that scene definitely was a red flag that he's all wrong for her. I can't believe she caved to pressure and accepted the engagement. Proposing in public is so manipulative. She's definitely gotta dump him. Agnes will not be amused.
I'mma say it... Larry would never! He respects Marion too much for that.
@@graphiquejackI agree she should break the engagement and she may not have much time to do so. Things could move swiftly now that she has accepted his railroad proposal.
@@hannahpatwell5435 Larry is such an honorable sweetheart. I actually laughed when he rather naively spoke of his intention to marry Mrs. Blane, as if Bertha would allow that. She's clearly determined he marry a young heiress. Think she's planning to pair her daughter and the Duke too?
@@InimitableAde oh she definitely is, with who she's based off of, that is Gladys future. And we all know that Bertha would tell Marion that she isn't good enough for her son if they got together. But see here's the thing, unlike Mrs blane, Marion wouldn't take that lying down. She would politely tell Bertha to stuff it. And we know that Agnes would initially pitch the biggest fit, and Larry would have to work on Agnes all season but he would wait and accomplish it for her blessing something that Tom Raikes could not do. I mean in the first season, Agnes even admits that she likes Larry and that the only thing wrong with him is the fact that he's Bertha's son. She seriously tried to find something wrong with him and couldn't.
I thoroughly enjoy the show! The music gives me Goosebumps!!! But couldn't the show writers give Aunt Ada at least a couple episodes of happiness and marital bliss!?
Agreed
Aunt Ada has had a good life. She did not have to be married to a horrible man to make a living, she did not have to fend for herself and she enjoyed upper class life thanks to her sister.
Right?!? If he's dead by the end of the season it'll be just a waste. What was the point??
@@_adrian_sean
Reality of the era: Men frequently died in their 40's
Horrible realities of the era:
Two out of every ten women died in childbirth or of childbed fever (postpartum infections)
One out of every four children born died before their tenth birthday.
The writers are rushing things because there might not be a 3rd season! Think about it!
Make something exclusive and everyone wants in. Notice that once Oscar contributed a larger investment check Maude has to leave town? Sounds like a grift.
Agreed.
Yeah, he’s being played. Is Maude the Bernie Maddof from The Gilded Age? 😅
You're right! So shady. Oscar is about to lose whatever fortune remains to him. We only thought we saw Agnes lose it over Ada's engagement. Heads will roll when she finds out he's been foolish with his inheritance.
@@markelinebrayner9730Bernice Madoff. Her friends call her Bernie 😆
I keep telling my husband that I think it's a grift. He said, "But they don't want Oscar to invest." I told him that's part of the grift. Them telling Oscar they don't want his money makes him want to give the money even more.
I love this podcast immensely! Y’all both have such lovely voices; I could listen for hours. Thanks for all of the supportive backstories. The Vanderbilts are interesting for me personally as my youngest is a junior at Vanderbilt University, currently. He’s a philosophy major. Ok, sorry for the mombrag, I meant to say: I AM YOUR BIGGEST FAN. Thank you for a FANTASTIC podcast.👏🏼👏🏼🫶🏼
I think George Russell is a good person at his core. It has been hinted that he came from humble beginnings & I think he sees his father in Henderson & maybe a little of himself in Henderson's son , as well as the way his own life might have gone if circumstances had been different. I hope that since he's glimpsed more of the human side of his workers, he will be willing to listen to them & make some positive changes like implementing a school & making working conditions safer. I hope his story echoes that of Carnegie who, once he returned to the US & learned details of the Homestead massacre, was horrified at the bloodshed & was a changed man after. It was after this event that he became more committed to philanthropic acts & seemed to be truly repentant of his earlier attitude.
That is nice.❤❤❤
After watching this episode I get why nobody is surprised by Armstrong's behaviour. Initially I thought are the other servants really blind to how awful she is to Ms Scott? It turns out that Armstrong is awful to everyone so that's why nobody is surprised or shocked by her constant vile behaviour no matter who is on the receiving end.
I just ached for Marion and Ada this episode. Marion likes Larry and Larry likes Marion, so why is that not happening? She's not into Dashiel. How infuriating for him to put her in that situation having never even mentioned marriage to her. And Agnes egging it on. Marion has to find a way to get out of it. Maybe Larry will step up now and tell her how he feels. And poor Ada. Married two seconds and the man is probably dying. Credit to Agnes for not doing a jig, but instead going to her aid to help. At least Ada will have experienced happiness in her life and have perhaps a small inheritance of her own.
I don't think that Agnes is evil.
She had an unhappy marriage
and she is set in her ways.
But I think that she really does
love her sister.
@@花果山下 we know now. He gets it thanks to Larry and Marian and Larry kiss. All we have to do is wat until the season is over.
This was an explosive episode. My heart ached with Ada, who can deny Marians dilemma, mmm George do we think he may start a school or......, love Peggy Scotts strength and the new twists and turns downstairs. Love this show.
Love this show with all its various storylines based albeit loosely on actual people and events. From the storyline based more on fiction, wonder if we’ll learn backstory regarding Mrs. Van Rhijn and Mrs. Astor as they are among the few old money New Yorkers on a first name basis with each other.
This is just good TV! Love the show and this podcast.
That last scene where Agnes came in the chapel in her dress gave me chills
I really enjoy The Gilded Age. I really like researching the real people. There are new things I learn constantly.
It wasn’t till the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire in 1911 was when CEOS of industries gave in to the Unions about safe working conditions
@hbo The Gilded Age is the best show! Please don't cancel it!!! We need good shows.
Not enough Bertha, but still a great episode
The Gilded Age was a time of horrendous exploitation, small children had to work alongside their parents all day long. Most of that wealth was built on the misery of the American Workers. The Robber Barons were Monsters.
I have one question. WHERE IS MRS CHAMBERLAIN
yes I liked her.
I would like to see what was going on in other parts of the country at that time like Chicago.
Wikipedia has a group
of pages based on
"Year (of) ... 1883, etc."
It won't give you the
list of everything that
is happening. But it
mentions significant
events (The Met Opera
opening was not listed,
as I recall)
For the love of god get that guy and his daughter out the way so they can finally get down to Marian true love. LARRY. like it’s so obvious they love each other but I guess the writers trying to give Marian one more obstacle before Larry OFFICIALLY comes into the picture. I want to see how the Russells and van rhijn handle them being together😩
Why haven’t you paid attention to the unfolding Watson/Collier story line. No mention of it in the past three commentaries.
I hate my suspicions were right about Luke Forte, Ada’s husband
I don’t trust Oscar’s new love!
He's definitely being scammed.
Oscar deserves to be scammed. Maybe after they take his money, he'll stop trying to trap young naive women into marriage.
@@keshiamccray Oscar doesn't 'deserve' it. He's in a difficult position. He needs to hide his sexuality and he needs an heir as his mother keeps pressuring him to fulfill. I genuinely believe he liked both Gladys and Maud, and would have treated them well and with respect, even if he can't love them like a straight man could. I feel sorry for him, and he's shown a much softer side this season. But if he is ruined financially, maybe he won't care as much about his social standing, and he can run off with John Adams
Oscar's intentions are pure either.
@@graphiquejack
I feel sorry for Oscar
too.
I was disappointed with the Peggy development of getting feelings for Mr. Fortune and wish the show would introduce an unmarried reporter or businessman for her love life.
I also dislike that they gave us less than an episode of marriage before introducing a death sentence on Ada's new husband.
Both moves feel sloppy.
yes! why couldn"t Ada be happy !!
Being a Downton Abbey fan, i am not surprised the show gave Aunt Ada’s new husband death sentence, due to both shows were written by the same person. I still remember the heartbreak storylines in season 3 of Downton.
Love this channel but the background music is very annoying.
Loooove this show I will say at the end when russel called off the gun men, well…the exact opposite played out. I realize the russels are fiction, but the storyline they were borrowing from with the strikes played out very different.
We would have never forgiven George otherwise.
I doubt George will cave on the pay, but he may be able to negotiate with the strikers and offer better, safer working conditions and some amenities like a school. I just hope it will be enough.
@@ThatsJustMyBabyDaddy I figured that’s why aswell
I wished The Gilded Age story plots weren't so mild and predictable. An example the union situation seemed very unrealistic. I had hoped to see more realism in the storylines and less wonder bread fantasy.😐
Yeah George threw me off
Agreed, it’s the opposite of what actually happened. Still love the show, but a truer portrayal would have brought home the “gilded” meaning
Yeah it was clearly done to keep George 'likeable' to the audience!
I read more in the Heinz Museum than the show about this period, and it’s a bit disappointing they tried to make him likable; I also wanted more subplots about the mill workers as well.
Oscar is being scammed...poor fellow
I missed it