Bought a KLX 300R month ago and just installed the Dyno Jet V. It really makes the bike come alive. Can't wait till a pipe will be available. This is my first video I have seen you do but did (like) and subscribe. Will be watching more. Thank you!
Huge thank you for the support! I bet the 300R is a real trail ripper with the Power Commander. It will be pretty sweet with a pipe! Welcome to the club 🤘
I have dyno'd my 21 KLX300R. I dont have a base tune as i put all the mods on and then took it to the dyno. Mods are Power Commander 5, full pro circuit exhaust, KDX200 snorkel, PAIR/AIS valve delete, Twin Air Filter, replaced anti freeze with twin air ice flow coolant, and swapped spark plug to a NGK iridium. Dyno came out to 25.93 HP at 19.26 torque. A guy in San Francisco had basically the same mods and his came out to 23.47 HP and 17.80 torque.
Awesome to see some real wheel horsepower numbers. I've got over 700 mi on mine and have been loving it so far, I feel that this channel will help make decisions to get a little more power when I feel that I need it. It would be cool to see what individual modifications do for power but I'm sure getting dyno'd isn't cheap. Great content!
A slip on by itself is worth about 3 horsepower. Getting the proper fueling will net around another 3 horsepower. Exhaust is probably the first thing to do, then get the right fueling. I'd toss the airbox lid or get a KDX snorkel as well
Good content. It will be perfect uncorked, some fuel mapping, and advanced timing. My guess is there will be plenty of aftermarket support real soon. Gonna hit subscribe you earned it
Thanks for the kind words and the support! Once the bike is fully uncorked, it will be hard to beat! I'd expect a big aftermarket as well, with the demand the bike is drawing
Okay dude first off great content and dedication to figuring this bike out..i have 300l rally you more welcome test out..its stock in term of performance but kitted out kool youd like it..anywY i also have klx300 dual sport 2023..just did delkevic exhaust,kdx snorkel,k n n air filter, and drilled 3 holes in the lid of airbox and put in uni air filters..bikes running lean stalling when downshift..any advice..was probally going to go with the power commander after watching this video vs the ejk i just wish the power commander that could connect to labtop wasnt discontinued..is that the one you have here on your klx or did u have that on your friends 250 or am i just confusing your vids...any idea how i could find the old power commander(mode/serial number) that allows interface w labtob??
The Power Commander Fuel Controller that they sell can be tuned via the laptop. It is very similar, if the not same module as the one that was one this bike, that I used from my 351
Cool video and great information. My question, I have a 2020 KLX300R...are there any differences in the KLX300 and the R (Cams, tune, timing, etc.)? I've done the FMF pipe and tossed the airbox lid and that helped a lot. Not on a dyno but the front wheel test was a vast improvement. I don't want to spend the money on the Power Commander if it doesn't really help all that much. What, if anything have you heard about a better tuner?
The 300 and 300R apparently have the same motor. However, the 300R most likely does not have this ignition issue up top. The stock exhaust for the 300R is less restrictive too, compared to the 300. The Power Commander will definitely help the 300R with a proper tune on it. It will achieve proper AFR's, because you might be a little lean right now. Ignition timing can be further optimized as well, with the Power Commander V.
have 2014 klx. Threw off all the electronics and make the bike lighter. Got 300 big bore, opened the air intake, changed exhaust. I have MX bikes too but I can even bring the KLX to the track. why do I love it? I can make miles on it without too much maintenance....
Could you slot the ignition and just give it more timing all the way through?...We used to do this to Jet Ski's back in the early 80'S It may have some adjustment in there stock so take a look!
Good idea! Ignition timing is controlled by the ECU. So, obviously, the bike has to pick up that signal from somewhere via the crankshaft. Adding more timing throughout would probably provide some gains up top. Of course, it would be preferable to add timing only up top. However, it is something I will have to look into!
EJK is fine but I applaud your pursuit. I have a ‘17 WRR with the basic mods and a simple fuel controller. Does it rip? No, not compared to my CB1000R. It’s a 250cc after all and that’s it. Has it improved? Yes, absolutely. Would more expensive fuel tuning be worth it? No, unlikely. I’m very interested to see what your 300 will do but I expect it will mimic the WRR with perhaps more power mid range and not the big pop up top.
Bro, I just watched your other video and looked up dyno tuners in my area and just sent cycle tune a email. Then watched this and saw you went there ! You must live in the same area as me. Im in Vancouver Washington with a 23 klx 300sm !!!!
Thank you for putting this information out there! I am picking up my KLX300 on Tuesday. I had to go out of state because locally they said I was looking at 9 months minimum until all existing orders are filled. My question for you is do you think it would be worth it to throw a slip on at it and nothing else? If so which one would you recommend? I subbed to you and your brothers channels. The amount of information you are putting out on this bike is unparalleled.
Thank you for supporting both of our channels! Congrats on the new bike! It seems pretty crazy out there trying to find one. A slip on will definitely wake up the bike. My friend from the trail ride video ran just an exhaust for awhile before he got a tuner. With the 250, an exhaust nets around 3WHP. If just a slip on, the top three brands are Yoshimura, Two Bros, and FMF in my opinion. A Barker's performance exhaust is supposed to net the most gains, but you'd need an O2 bung welded into it.
Please Make a video on how to care for this supermoto I just bought a 2022 klx300 sm and don’t know what kind of gas oil or anything to put into it. Also I don’t know if my electric start is working properly
I use premium fuel in my bikes. A lot of people like to run non-ethanol, but I just fill up with premium at my local Chevron. As for oil, I use Kawasaki's oil, which should be available at your local motosport dealer.
Some people have been able to copy the ECU on others bikes then upload it into other variants to increase HP. What if we copied the ECU from the 300R and put it on the 300S/D/SM????
Don't read too much into that HP number. What is important is understanding improvements made. Stick with the same dyno while making changes. Try for the same weather conditions. On something as small as a 300, it makes a huge difference. As An Aside: the graph is from WinPeP7, as a Dynojet dynomometer operator, I have been made aware that WinPep7 and using STD Smoothing can be used to inflate the HP numbers. Not saying it is. Taking that into consideration. It is exactly where I would expect it to be. It will read lower if you go to someone with a different brand dyno or with a Dynojet using WinPeP8 with SAE Smoothing.
My last visit, due to a very weak motor and not really any way to soup it up that's worth while, I sold my new klx300. got a xr650l and am very happy now!!
If anyone can chime in what does that horsepower figure come out to in terms of horsepower at the crank? Asking to compare it to other models and a few of the older bikes if I’m not mistaken don’t manufactures usually advertise power at the crank or am I wrong?
It would be 26 HP at the most, depending on how generous you are with the loss figure. Usually they report horsepower at the crank because it is obviously higher lol
Interesting video. How were you able to determine that timing was pulled out in the higher rpm,s versus maybe a flow loss due to engine design. Thanks and good luck. Nothing feels better than squeezing all its capable of.
My KLX has the same ignition pull up top. It was determined that it was ignition with my KLX from a number of different things. Almost all of the flow restrictions were taken care of except for the cams on my bike. On top of that, there have been carbed bike dyno graphs depicting the same drop off at the same RPM, of which were remedied by aftermarket CDI's or the clutch switch mod.
I have 2 klx300s, one all stock as for as performance mods go. The other a I put a 2Bros full exhaust system on, removed the ais/emission system and installed a kdx200 snorkel. but it felt to lean, and stall when I came to stop while riding at higher rpms. So I installed the stock snorkle back and it seems to be a little quicker, but not perfect. So im looking for a good tuner programmer till then or hopping to find someone who can reflash my ecu. What tuner are you planning on using?
Does the 300 have the same clutch switch mod the FI 250 klx has? Thought unplugging that switch,put a wire in to parallel it unlucked higher revving power
I did the clutch switch mod with my KLX, and threw it on the dyno to see if it worked. It still had the same drop off as without the clutch switch mod. It seems to work for the older international FI bikes, but not the 2018+ bikes here at least
I just did 500 mile ride from Austin to Big Bend National park on my KLX300. Then left the bigger bikes behind on the jeep trails in out there. These bikes are GS killers for a quarter of the price and half the weight.
Did you ever do a dyno on the 2021 KLX300 after you did the opened up snorkel, pipe and Power Commander? If so, how did the power curve look compared to the bone stock power curve?
Have you heard of jumping the clutch switch out? Supposed to trick the ecu into the 300r software or something. Rode with a guy last week that did it and he thought it "woke" the bike up quite a bit....
Sure thing! While I expected numbers around what we got, I don't want to undermine the package Kawi has put out. It is easily capable of running with the big dogs when it is FULLY uncorked, and that is all without cracking open the motor.
Solid vid! Being 225lbs i need to uncorked this thing to be more comfortable on the highway. I knew it was a dog compared to my 636 and k5 but I was impressed compared to the drz
I get that! It does surprisingly well against the DRZ as seen in an upcoming video. I'm excited to see it uncorked against the DRZ when the parts arrive.
@@jhmotorclub6916 that won't even be fair dude. Like I live in Reno and my riding altitude is average 5000ft but I can go from 5k to 8k in 15min and down to sea level in an hour. FI is game changing
Buddy, you have no idea how much I appreciate you doing this. I was hoping that klx300 makes something equal/more to the WR250 so I could dodge the resalve value of the WR and buy this new. But looks like I have to go back to my original painfull search of finding a used WR250. Regardless, I found what I was looking for and really appreciate your hardwork.👍🙏. Subscribed to your bro's channel as well for more content on this bike.
Thank you for the support on our channels! When I got my 351 dynoed, the dealer had a stock WR250R on the dyno before me. It made 24WHP. An uncorked one makes around 28WHP, from what I've seen. I expect the KLX300 to make around 27WHP uncorked, with just fuel tuning. Once I get the ignition worked out, it wouldn't be out of the question to see the 300 hit 30WHP. We shall see when the parts arrive!
@@jhmotorclub6916 Now, you're giving me more hope on the klx. I will wait to see what you're final numbers are after all that you will do. I want you to know that you're helping a lot of guys like me to make a decision to buy a small fun city bike for just fun around town. I do ride MT-07 daily and a crf450r on the weekend, but I'm always interested in these small engines. Big fan of "riding a slow bike fast" and of course wheelies😆
el_juano is suggesting the same thing I talked about a couple of previous videos...the KLX300r is mostly "uncorked" with the same motor...try out the 300r ECU on the 300 and I think you will be very surprised...2020 KLX.300r ECU Part #21175-1503 vs 2021 KLX300 ECU Part #21175-1727...a lot more stress on the engine once it is totally "uncorked". The service intervals on the 300r dirt bike are must shortly than 300 dual sport.
I researched that swap awhile back. The connectors to the ECU are different. So, you'd most likely have to get a whole 300R harness to rewire the bike, or somehow adapt the connector.
First video of yours I'm watching here. Looks to me more like valve float rather than ignition as it rapidly fluctuate off, or even both. Maybe stick a set of better valve springs into it and stick it back on the dyno.
I do, it is currently down at the moment. This 300 is my brother's. I am hoping to get mine running so we can do a comparison. My bike doesn't have a pronounced top end charge like the 300, but it definitely pulls harder. The 300 has more charge up top and feels like an uncorked 250.
Can't believe this vid went under my radar for a whole week considering I've been looking for this info for the future purpose of a dual sport. Anywho- my guess for power is around the 29hp mark. The specs say 33- but I am dubious that is the case.
Hi! I found a Thai video. Don't understand it, I think the guy shows before/after curves with remap and air intake mods. Before mod I think: 26.6HP@8000RPM, 28Nm@6000RPM (20.652 Foot-Pound Force (ft lbf)). In some other video (I can't find at the moment) the dyno measured 25HP@8500RPM
Motors are one heck of a drug, am I right? It is the perfect setup; a dual sport for two wheel, on and off road shredding and the C63 for four wheel street shredding. I think a C63 would be a sweet ride. My dad's S6 showed me that the Euros make some crispy motors.
Thanks! The carbed bikes have some aftermarket CDI's available that can fix the ignition timing. However, the FI bikes have the potential to top out with a few more horsepower than the carbed bikes.
I have a carb 2020 klx250 (Australia) and they come very badly corked. However Kawasaki Aust issued a service bulletin on uncorking for off road use. Basically involved air box snorkel removal, blocking a vacuum bypass hole in the carb slide to allow the cv slide to lift fully, and a rejet. I also added a Delkevic pipe. Absolutely transformed the bike, now pull strongly to 10k+ with no drop off ( would not pull to 7k before). Everyone now comments on how well it goes, but I think it lacks a bit of low end which I hope will be improved with a 300 kit.
@@jhmotorclub6916. I got a 2006 KLK 250. Im planning on putting the 300KLKR cylinder and FMF slip on and maybe a larger carburator, but now that i learned here about the timing retard, I will like to address that first right off the bat. What's the available aftermarket cdi replacement for carburated KLKs?
Kawasaki may well be retarding the top end and overall power output for reliability and longevity reasons. Most people buying these cheaper, smaller dual sport bikes do not want the frequent maintenance schedules that an engine squeezing out every last bit of horsepower may require. Most complaints you hear about the 450 class of bikes is the frequent maintenance regime required.
Great video buddy, I really have a love/hate relationship with you and kawasaki, your videos make me really want one, and kawasaki just really nails the price, to performance, to smiles per gallon better than any dual sport manufacturer out there in my opinion. I just can't get rid of the dr650 she is so awesome with the pumper carb and the new suspension I just can't part with her
😂 Well you know then, it's going to get tougher and tougher to resist as the bikes get modded further and further. However, you can't beat ol' faithful! As long as she gets the job done right!?
taking a guess at 23hp 35ftlb edit. well, never dyno'd a dirtbike so i was pretty accurate on the hp, but way off on the tq. also, pretty sure thats the same dyno i learned on. its at least the same interface.
Thanks for the support on the channel! We talked briefly about the torque in the beginning of the analysis. The torque curve is pretty flat and comes on down low in the RPM range, but definitely can be improved.
Thanks for the info! Great vid. Looking forward to the ECU tuners coming out for this bike. With an airbox mod, Yoshimura RS2 slip on and tuner, I’m hoping for a few extra HP’s without getting too complicated on the (2021 KLX300) bike. The more money I put into the bike, The more I’m inclined to just spend the extra money and get a better bike. The advantage of this KLX 300 is its price point, and the more I spend the more that advantage gets reduced. Sounds like you may be doing a video and getting a little more complicated with the tuner. Would like to see a “keeping it simple tuner video with airbox and slip on mod” and what that would do to the bike compared to a video that gets more intricate/expensive? and fine-tuned. Cool cross necklace BTW. For Those Who Honor Me, I Will Honor" 1 Samuel 2:12-36
Thanks for checking out the video! Everything I do with the KLX's, I aim for it to be something everyone can do. Otherwise, it wouldn't be of much value. The goal is to get the bike uncorked, including ignition timing, and doing so in a way that it will benefit all the KLX owners 👍 The 300 is a bike that will satisfy the power bug for a lot of people with some simple mods. Therefore, another goal is to achieve these gains while still being cheaper than its competition. And thanks, great verse right there! 🙏
Durn it ! Did up a biggy post for ya, Jeff, but it failed to post .... Anyway, the cliff notes: That 450 dyno chart should prove to you what we've talked about in the past - regarding AFR and combustion theory - what you may not know is that the 450 WOT AFR is a compromise - balancing max power and engine component protection - so it is richer than what one would choose if one was only interested in max power production. AFR's in the upper 11's ( I think that is what I see in the vid ?) is slow burning, just as is too lean.. (Hint: If I am reading that chart right, re-dyno that 450 with a stupid EJK tuned to do-up 12.4 to 12.6 @ WOT.. Mid 12's still offer some component protection..) Just remember, there are ignition scheme considerations when changing WOT AFR's from slower burning to faster burning..
Yup yup, the dyno for the KX was done with the black coupler. So, it is the safest of the three, running around 11.8 if I remember correctly. I changed to the next aggressive coupler, which should have an AFR of around 12.2-12.5 based on how it runs. Ignition is most likely a bit more aggressive in the mid range too. The black coupler is probably ideal for an exhaust. The most aggressive coupler definitely is running around 13+ AFR, so that needs to be fattened up a bit. I think it should pick up some nice gains by simply leaning out that 11.8 AFR though
Here's the 2022 KLX300SM on the dyno. I'd think the engine in the SM is the same as in the standard KLX300. The dyno graph shows that this 2022 doesn't fall off so bad after the peak HP point (still ~20 rwhp at redline), so maybe Kawasaki has fixed the tune on the 2022 models. ruclips.net/video/uBjt8AowLZk/видео.html Here's the dyno pull (on same dyno) on the 2021 KLX300, and it shows a similar drop off to around ~17 rwhp at redline. ruclips.net/video/LeeSD0vnedU/видео.html
That's awesome! Would you have a copy of the graph you could send me? I'd like to analyze it. Did you get it tuned with the PCV? My email is JHiggens@outlook.com
@@jhmotorclub6916 unfortunately it was a rainy windy day and I was so excited to test the bike I shove the slip into my pocket and somewhere lost it on the days trip I remember we put a little timing back into it in the heart of the Curve but the over rev on it was still pretty bad
Do I think my world in your world is going to be completely different I took the air box lid off para delete full pro circuit with the spark arrestor out it's loud I'm talking CRF450 about the loudest thing barking in the timber I'd almost bet I'm over 100 dbs
JH, I did the full FMF exhaust, EJK, snorkle removal. How do those mods dyno in your experience? ( nowhere near a dynoshop) I have too much work in my ‘19 250 to bail on it. Pretty excited to find out how and who you get to flash the ecu. The EJK could be adjusted to follow/enhance the flash then you’d have the complete package. People are getting so caught up in numbers. Useability is so inportant. I have an acquaintance that has a new 450CRF and he hates the bike. Unusable power. An close friend has a new 250EXC-F, same thing, it drives him bonkers in the slow technical even with the slow roll on throttle cam installed. He calls my KLX (sweet, tractor like and friendly, much more usable on the trail) than his bike that cost twice as much. Numbers aren’t everything.
An uncorked KLX250 makes around 23-25WHP. As shown in the trail video, the KLX has great usable power. It'd be great to improve it up top too though to have the total package, lugging down low and the charge winding out up top.
You know those tires cost you a couple horsepower at least, right? Dump bombers are only really valid with a racing slick on there. Knobbies slip and read less power. You can compare two different bikes if they have similar tires but claiming that as an absolute hp number is not valid.
Ryan, the PCV is not the ecu. Someone just needs to do a flash service for the ECU to get rid of the EPA kerap tuning. You can only do so much with the fueling unless the ignition timing is worked with as well. On my Super Tenere, we have to get the ECU flashed AND put the PCV on (I added the Autotune for further tunability, the engine from the factory runs way lean, above 14.2afr, ideal is 13.6afr across the board) The fed goons are REALLY cracking down on tuners. They spend more resources shasing down tuners than keeping the drug cartel mules out of the border. So, it needs an ECU reflash, and a fuel controller with the exhaust de restricted and smog crapola removed.
Have we verified the current 300R has the top end? If it does, I wonder if there is a controller swap that can be made. They are mechanically almost the same motor. 🤔 See you in the next vid, my dude.
They are the same motor, from what I've seen. You are thinking like I am lol, but they have different ECU's unfortunately. I have not seen anyone put the 300R on the dyno yet. Maybe I should see if I can get ahold of one on the dyno somehow. It would reveal some useful information
I would have guessed the same going off of the displacement, which would be quite logical actually. However, then I remembered Kawasaki treated the 300 to some spicier cams!
Can you explain what the term “ignition retard” means? You’ve explained the consequences of its presence on the bike, functionally. But what is it mechanically?
Ignition timing represents the angle before the piston hits top dead center. If ignition timing is too late, the piston may be already traveling in its down stroke when the fuel mixture is ignited. The idea of ignition timing is to optimize peak cylinder pressure just before top dead center. Therefore, a retard in ignition timing would mean that the spark is igniting the mixture closer to the piston hitting top dead center.
THIS DYNO JETS RESPONSIBILITY TO IT'S CUSTOMERS TO MAKE A POWER COMANDER/FLASH BOX FOR THIS BIKE HOPEFULLY WE WILL SEE THAT IN 2021 YAMAHA WR250R GONE AND 250F PROVABLY NOT FAR BEHIND. SO COME ON DYNO JET 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 THE KLX300 MARKET WILL EXPLODE 💥 WITH THE KLX300SM. That bike should push minimum 35 ++HP with dyno jet.
I'm not certain on the Honda, as I have not seen it on the dyno yet. I don't mind the valve adjustment intervals. I've gotten the check down to around 30 minutes, and shimming in about an hour and a half. Many KLX's surpass the factory adjustment interval by double or more.
With this info, revving it to redline is probably not the quickest way to accelerate like you said. It'd probably be best to shift at around 9,000 to 9,500. The power is still somewhat level there; therefore, still producing more power than what it would be in the next gear. I'll go out and give it a test though!
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This is great information. I would love to see you do a series like this with the KLX230.
Bought a KLX 300R month ago and just installed the Dyno Jet V. It really makes the bike come alive. Can't wait till a pipe will be available. This is my first video I have seen you do but did (like) and subscribe. Will be watching more. Thank you!
Huge thank you for the support! I bet the 300R is a real trail ripper with the Power Commander. It will be pretty sweet with a pipe! Welcome to the club 🤘
I have dyno'd my 21 KLX300R. I dont have a base tune as i put all the mods on and then took it to the dyno. Mods are Power Commander 5, full pro circuit exhaust, KDX200 snorkel, PAIR/AIS valve delete, Twin Air Filter, replaced anti freeze with twin air ice flow coolant, and swapped spark plug to a NGK iridium. Dyno came out to 25.93 HP at 19.26 torque. A guy in San Francisco had basically the same mods and his came out to 23.47 HP and 17.80 torque.
This is good to know! Thanks so much for the info!
Awesome to see some real wheel horsepower numbers. I've got over 700 mi on mine and have been loving it so far, I feel that this channel will help make decisions to get a little more power when I feel that I need it. It would be cool to see what individual modifications do for power but I'm sure getting dyno'd isn't cheap. Great content!
A slip on by itself is worth about 3 horsepower. Getting the proper fueling will net around another 3 horsepower. Exhaust is probably the first thing to do, then get the right fueling. I'd toss the airbox lid or get a KDX snorkel as well
Good content. It will be perfect uncorked, some fuel mapping, and advanced timing. My guess is there will be plenty of aftermarket support real soon. Gonna hit subscribe you earned it
Thanks for the kind words and the support! Once the bike is fully uncorked, it will be hard to beat! I'd expect a big aftermarket as well, with the demand the bike is drawing
Okay dude first off great content and dedication to figuring this bike out..i have 300l rally you more welcome test out..its stock in term of performance but kitted out kool youd like it..anywY i also have klx300 dual sport 2023..just did delkevic exhaust,kdx snorkel,k n n air filter, and drilled 3 holes in the lid of airbox and put in uni air filters..bikes running lean stalling when downshift..any advice..was probally going to go with the power commander after watching this video vs the ejk i just wish the power commander that could connect to labtop wasnt discontinued..is that the one you have here on your klx or did u have that on your friends 250 or am i just confusing your vids...any idea how i could find the old power commander(mode/serial number) that allows interface w labtob??
The Power Commander Fuel Controller that they sell can be tuned via the laptop. It is very similar, if the not same module as the one that was one this bike, that I used from my 351
Cool video and great information. My question, I have a 2020 KLX300R...are there any differences in the KLX300 and the R (Cams, tune, timing, etc.)? I've done the FMF pipe and tossed the airbox lid and that helped a lot. Not on a dyno but the front wheel test was a vast improvement. I don't want to spend the money on the Power Commander if it doesn't really help all that much. What, if anything have you heard about a better tuner?
The 300 and 300R apparently have the same motor. However, the 300R most likely does not have this ignition issue up top. The stock exhaust for the 300R is less restrictive too, compared to the 300. The Power Commander will definitely help the 300R with a proper tune on it. It will achieve proper AFR's, because you might be a little lean right now. Ignition timing can be further optimized as well, with the Power Commander V.
have 2014 klx. Threw off all the electronics and make the bike lighter. Got 300 big bore, opened the air intake, changed exhaust. I have MX bikes too but I can even bring the KLX to the track. why do I love it? I can make miles on it without too much maintenance....
Sounds like the perfect setup to me!
Could you slot the ignition and just give it more timing all the way through?...We used to do this to Jet Ski's back in the early 80'S It may have some adjustment in there stock so take a look!
Good idea! Ignition timing is controlled by the ECU. So, obviously, the bike has to pick up that signal from somewhere via the crankshaft. Adding more timing throughout would probably provide some gains up top. Of course, it would be preferable to add timing only up top. However, it is something I will have to look into!
EJK is fine but I applaud your pursuit. I have a ‘17 WRR with the basic mods and a simple fuel controller. Does it rip? No, not compared to my CB1000R. It’s a 250cc after all and that’s it. Has it improved? Yes, absolutely. Would more expensive fuel tuning be worth it? No, unlikely. I’m very interested to see what your 300 will do but I expect it will mimic the WRR with perhaps more power mid range and not the big pop up top.
Will 300r ignition plug in place of klx 300 might take care of problem easily
Bro, I just watched your other video and looked up dyno tuners in my area and just sent cycle tune a email. Then watched this and saw you went there ! You must live in the same area as me. Im in Vancouver Washington with a 23 klx 300sm !!!!
How about switching to the 300r ecu? Just a quick thought.
It won't wire up directly unfortunately
I got. A 2021 klx300r 1k miles and no problems its has sow much powere its a tiny bit heavy when your not moving bit thats it
Did you take the sun throttle out of it? I was under the impression that that took the dip out of it?
Thank you for putting this information out there! I am picking up my KLX300 on Tuesday. I had to go out of state because locally they said I was looking at 9 months minimum until all existing orders are filled.
My question for you is do you think it would be worth it to throw a slip on at it and nothing else? If so which one would you recommend?
I subbed to you and your brothers channels. The amount of information you are putting out on this bike is unparalleled.
Thank you for supporting both of our channels! Congrats on the new bike! It seems pretty crazy out there trying to find one. A slip on will definitely wake up the bike. My friend from the trail ride video ran just an exhaust for awhile before he got a tuner. With the 250, an exhaust nets around 3WHP. If just a slip on, the top three brands are Yoshimura, Two Bros, and FMF in my opinion. A Barker's performance exhaust is supposed to net the most gains, but you'd need an O2 bung welded into it.
Please Make a video on how to care for this supermoto I just bought a 2022 klx300 sm and don’t know what kind of gas oil or anything to put into it. Also I don’t know if my electric start is working properly
I use premium fuel in my bikes. A lot of people like to run non-ethanol, but I just fill up with premium at my local Chevron. As for oil, I use Kawasaki's oil, which should be available at your local motosport dealer.
Is there a big difference between tossing the lid and just removing the factory snorkel ?
2 hp more with fully open airbox
Some people have been able to copy the ECU on others bikes then upload it into other variants to increase HP. What if we copied the ECU from the 300R and put it on the 300S/D/SM????
Don't read too much into that HP number. What is important is understanding improvements made. Stick with the same dyno while making changes. Try for the same weather conditions. On something as small as a 300, it makes a huge difference.
As An Aside: the graph is from WinPeP7, as a Dynojet dynomometer operator, I have been made aware that WinPep7 and using STD Smoothing can be used to inflate the HP numbers. Not saying it is.
Taking that into consideration. It is exactly where I would expect it to be. It will read lower if you go to someone with a different brand dyno or with a Dynojet using WinPeP8 with SAE Smoothing.
your right , they need a bit more go,, its not like you are trying to get a 100 bhp . just a wake up like they should have in the first place...
I am having a hard time finding one of these KLX300. I'm thinking this bike might be a great bike for my needs....
My last visit, due to a very weak motor and not really any way to soup it up that's worth while, I sold my new klx300. got a xr650l and am very happy now!!
Judging by your comments from the beginning, it seems you had that mindset all along. Have fun with the ol' bush pig ✌️
If anyone can chime in what does that horsepower figure come out to in terms of horsepower at the crank? Asking to compare it to other models and a few of the older bikes if I’m not mistaken don’t manufactures usually advertise power at the crank or am I wrong?
It would be 26 HP at the most, depending on how generous you are with the loss figure. Usually they report horsepower at the crank because it is obviously higher lol
Interesting video. How were you able to determine that timing was pulled out in the higher rpm,s versus maybe a flow loss due to engine design. Thanks and good luck. Nothing feels better than squeezing all its capable of.
My KLX has the same ignition pull up top. It was determined that it was ignition with my KLX from a number of different things. Almost all of the flow restrictions were taken care of except for the cams on my bike. On top of that, there have been carbed bike dyno graphs depicting the same drop off at the same RPM, of which were remedied by aftermarket CDI's or the clutch switch mod.
Would offset advanced timing key on flywheel work like on sleds just give it more timing all way through
That is an interesting thought! I'm not exactly sure on that one
I have 2 klx300s, one all stock as for as performance mods go. The other a I put a 2Bros full exhaust system on, removed the ais/emission system and installed a kdx200 snorkel. but it felt to lean, and stall when I came to stop while riding at higher rpms. So I installed the stock snorkle back and it seems to be a little quicker, but not perfect. So im looking for a good tuner programmer till then or hopping to find someone who can reflash my ecu. What tuner are you planning on using?
At the moment, no one can flash the ECU. I'm not sure yet on the tuner. As soon as we get it, I will put up the video!
Does the 300 have the same clutch switch mod the FI 250 klx has? Thought unplugging that switch,put a wire in to parallel it unlucked higher revving power
I did the clutch switch mod with my KLX, and threw it on the dyno to see if it worked. It still had the same drop off as without the clutch switch mod. It seems to work for the older international FI bikes, but not the 2018+ bikes here at least
I just did 500 mile ride from Austin to Big Bend National park on my KLX300. Then left the bigger bikes behind on the jeep trails in out there. These bikes are GS killers for a quarter of the price and half the weight.
Very awesome! I bet that was a good feeling, using the "little" bike to show 'em who's boss!
500 miles in one day, right?
@@williamgerkens573 too late had to split it to 2 days. 11 hours driving time
Do you think the PC5 FC17900 will work on the KLX300? I'm pretty sure the plugs are the same, but you would have to make a new map for it.
I think you will have the answer to your question rather soon here
Did you ever do a dyno on the 2021 KLX300 after you did the opened up snorkel, pipe and Power Commander? If so, how did the power curve look compared to the bone stock power curve?
I did not do one, peak power should be around 27-28whp
Have you heard of jumping the clutch switch out? Supposed to trick the ecu into the 300r software or something. Rode with a guy last week that did it and he thought it "woke" the bike up quite a bit....
Yup, I have. I tried it with my KLX351. I had dyno runs before and after the clutch switch mod, and it still had the drop off up top.
Thank you for doing this!!! I'm surprised, I expected more. I was so hopeful when I saw this bike come out.
Sure thing! While I expected numbers around what we got, I don't want to undermine the package Kawi has put out. It is easily capable of running with the big dogs when it is FULLY uncorked, and that is all without cracking open the motor.
Remember this is rear wheel, real world hp numbers on a new bike. Manufacturers usually post numbers that are hp at the crank.
I just bought the KLX450r instead. Gave me an extra 20hp without having to mod anything.
Solid vid! Being 225lbs i need to uncorked this thing to be more comfortable on the highway. I knew it was a dog compared to my 636 and k5 but I was impressed compared to the drz
I get that! It does surprisingly well against the DRZ as seen in an upcoming video. I'm excited to see it uncorked against the DRZ when the parts arrive.
@@jhmotorclub6916 that won't even be fair dude. Like I live in Reno and my riding altitude is average 5000ft but I can go from 5k to 8k in 15min and down to sea level in an hour. FI is game changing
Buddy, you have no idea how much I appreciate you doing this. I was hoping that klx300 makes something equal/more to the WR250 so I could dodge the resalve value of the WR and buy this new. But looks like I have to go back to my original painfull search of finding a used WR250. Regardless, I found what I was looking for and really appreciate your hardwork.👍🙏.
Subscribed to your bro's channel as well for more content on this bike.
Thank you for the support on our channels! When I got my 351 dynoed, the dealer had a stock WR250R on the dyno before me. It made 24WHP. An uncorked one makes around 28WHP, from what I've seen. I expect the KLX300 to make around 27WHP uncorked, with just fuel tuning. Once I get the ignition worked out, it wouldn't be out of the question to see the 300 hit 30WHP. We shall see when the parts arrive!
@@jhmotorclub6916 Now, you're giving me more hope on the klx. I will wait to see what you're final numbers are after all that you will do. I want you to know that you're helping a lot of guys like me to make a decision to buy a small fun city bike for just fun around town. I do ride MT-07 daily and a crf450r on the weekend, but I'm always interested in these small engines. Big fan of "riding a slow bike fast" and of course wheelies😆
@@rocketscience7722 The KLX has a longer stroke than the high revving WR. It makes more grunt, but the WR pulls harder higher. Ying and Yang LOL.
Glad to be of service! We can't wait to see what it tops out at!
@@jhmotorclub6916 thank you for doing this. I'm in the same spot as @rocket science so whatever info you provide is gold!
Any tuning difference between the 300 dual sport and the 300R?
The 300R probably has a bit more aggressive ignition timing up top. However, I have not seen a dyno graph to verify that yet.
el_juano is suggesting the same thing I talked about a couple of previous videos...the KLX300r is mostly "uncorked" with the same motor...try out the 300r ECU on the 300 and I think you will be very surprised...2020 KLX.300r ECU Part #21175-1503 vs 2021 KLX300 ECU Part #21175-1727...a lot more stress on the engine once it is totally "uncorked". The service intervals on the 300r dirt bike are must shortly than 300 dual sport.
I researched that swap awhile back. The connectors to the ECU are different. So, you'd most likely have to get a whole 300R harness to rewire the bike, or somehow adapt the connector.
What exactly is it to uncork these bikes?
First video of yours I'm watching here. Looks to me more like valve float rather than ignition as it rapidly fluctuate off, or even both. Maybe stick a set of better valve springs into it and stick it back on the dyno.
The klx300 is gonna be a awesome bike with just stage one mods.
Agreed! Let's hope we find a way to include ignition timing in Stage 1 mods as well. Then, it will be even more awesome!
@@jhmotorclub6916 So how does a klx250 with stage 1 mods compare to a stock KLX300?
@DN4AGDX yes it's almost the exact same
Is there a gear indicator and fuel indicator on this bike❓
No gear indicator. There's only a low fuel light, which comes on at around 0.7 gallons left in the tank.
Who cares about that bullshit? Only honda fans that are getting destroyed with kawis suspension and handling offroad, that's who.
Do you still have your big bore 250? How do you like your 300 compared to a stock 250?
I do, it is currently down at the moment. This 300 is my brother's. I am hoping to get mine running so we can do a comparison. My bike doesn't have a pronounced top end charge like the 300, but it definitely pulls harder. The 300 has more charge up top and feels like an uncorked 250.
Why there is a difference of almost 10hp at wheel and Crank ..where is it losing all of that
I am buying one so keep us informed on what you do to it.
Can't believe this vid went under my radar for a whole week considering I've been looking for this info for the future purpose of a dual sport.
Anywho- my guess for power is around the 29hp mark. The specs say 33- but I am dubious that is the case.
Now you know! 33HP is a bit high for sure
Hi! I found a Thai video. Don't understand it, I think the guy shows before/after curves with remap and air intake mods. Before mod I think: 26.6HP@8000RPM, 28Nm@6000RPM (20.652 Foot-Pound Force (ft lbf)). In some other video (I can't find at the moment) the dyno measured 25HP@8500RPM
Those seem like pretty good numbers for a 250! Usually they are around 25WHP uncorked
@@jhmotorclub6916 not 250. 300
3:33 for the numbers
Hell yeah man I enjoy watching your videos I'm buying my klx300 dual sport in July I can't wait to get it you're making me jealous..lol 👍
Hahaha, I never aim for jealousy... just sharing some fun adventures! With these bikes, fun is not in short supply!
I feel it bob! I’m getting one hopefully by June if not July also!
Trying to pick up a klx 300 today. I have a c63 so I’ll definitely be nodding my bike too 🤣🤣 nice video explained it correctly!
Motors are one heck of a drug, am I right? It is the perfect setup; a dual sport for two wheel, on and off road shredding and the C63 for four wheel street shredding. I think a C63 would be a sweet ride. My dad's S6 showed me that the Euros make some crispy motors.
How much difference you think engine hp vs rwhp
At the most, it's probably a 10% loss. The bikes probably don't have as much loss as a car
@@jhmotorclub6916 it’s because of the length of the “drive train” on a car is roughly like 4 foot on a bike it’s half that
Drivetrain loss for a typical roller chain is only 2%-4%
So a carb KLX250 will most likely not have the drop off problem up top? Just FI related? Good analysis
Thanks! The carbed bikes have some aftermarket CDI's available that can fix the ignition timing. However, the FI bikes have the potential to top out with a few more horsepower than the carbed bikes.
I have a carb 2020 klx250 (Australia) and they come very badly corked. However Kawasaki Aust issued a service bulletin on uncorking for off road use. Basically involved air box snorkel removal, blocking a vacuum bypass hole in the carb slide to allow the cv slide to lift fully, and a rejet. I also added a Delkevic pipe. Absolutely transformed the bike, now pull strongly to 10k+ with no drop off ( would not pull to 7k before). Everyone now comments on how well it goes, but I think it lacks a bit of low end which I hope will be improved with a 300 kit.
@@jhmotorclub6916. I got a 2006 KLK 250.
Im planning on putting the 300KLKR cylinder and FMF slip on and maybe a larger carburator, but now that i learned here about the timing retard, I will like to address that first right off the bat.
What's the available aftermarket cdi replacement for carburated KLKs?
Kawasaki may well be retarding the top end and overall power output for reliability and longevity reasons.
Most people buying these cheaper, smaller dual sport bikes do not want the frequent maintenance schedules that an engine squeezing out every last bit of horsepower may require.
Most complaints you hear about the 450 class of bikes is the frequent maintenance regime required.
Great video buddy, I really have a love/hate relationship with you and kawasaki, your videos make me really want one, and kawasaki just really nails the price, to performance, to smiles per gallon better than any dual sport manufacturer out there in my opinion. I just can't get rid of the dr650 she is so awesome with the pumper carb and the new suspension I just can't part with her
😂 Well you know then, it's going to get tougher and tougher to resist as the bikes get modded further and further. However, you can't beat ol' faithful! As long as she gets the job done right!?
Cool. You rock. Thanks for this valuable information.
Very much appreciated! I'm glad the information has some value to it
taking a guess at 23hp 35ftlb edit. well, never dyno'd a dirtbike so i was pretty accurate on the hp, but way off on the tq. also, pretty sure thats the same dyno i learned on. its at least the same interface.
I'm thinking 20 hp at rear 2wheel = like to see the mods = And each dyno NUMBERS = lf ya can
Definitely will be putting the bike on the dyno again after the mods!
Subbed! Thanks for all your work!
I appreciate the sub! Thank you for the support!
Fuel commander and an Fmf your golden fuel commander alone wakes it right up
An FMF and proper fueling will definitely wake it up a lot. We're hoping to get ignition fixed with this bike though
I think Kawasaki needs to reach out to you for real consumer info. Nice job. can't wait to see how it goes.
I'd be down for that lol! Thanks for the kind words
Why should kawasaki do that? This young man is doing it all for free!
and what about torque figures? I'm also subscribing cause it's getting interesting..
Thanks for the support on the channel! We talked briefly about the torque in the beginning of the analysis. The torque curve is pretty flat and comes on down low in the RPM range, but definitely can be improved.
Thanks for the info! Great vid. Looking forward to the ECU tuners coming out for this bike. With an airbox mod, Yoshimura RS2 slip on and tuner, I’m hoping for a few extra HP’s without getting too complicated on the (2021 KLX300) bike. The more money I put into the bike, The more I’m inclined to just spend the extra money and get a better bike. The advantage of this KLX 300 is its price point, and the more I spend the more that advantage gets reduced. Sounds like you may be doing a video and getting a little more complicated with the tuner. Would like to see a “keeping it simple tuner video with airbox and slip on mod” and what that would do to the bike compared to a video that gets more intricate/expensive? and fine-tuned. Cool cross necklace BTW.
For Those Who Honor Me, I Will Honor" 1 Samuel 2:12-36
Thanks for checking out the video! Everything I do with the KLX's, I aim for it to be something everyone can do. Otherwise, it wouldn't be of much value. The goal is to get the bike uncorked, including ignition timing, and doing so in a way that it will benefit all the KLX owners 👍 The 300 is a bike that will satisfy the power bug for a lot of people with some simple mods. Therefore, another goal is to achieve these gains while still being cheaper than its competition.
And thanks, great verse right there! 🙏
@@jhmotorclub6916 i hope it does i got rid of my wr250x cus it wasn't enough for me and now im like..... well at least its brand new lol
You should hit up Brock's and see if he will do a tune if you loan him the 300. He's famous in the Kawi world for tuning Kawasaki motorcycles.
I'll add him to the list of people to call!
Durn it !
Did up a biggy post for ya, Jeff, but it failed to post ....
Anyway, the cliff notes:
That 450 dyno chart should prove to you what we've talked about in the past - regarding AFR and combustion theory - what you may not know is that the 450 WOT AFR is a compromise - balancing max power and engine component protection - so it is richer than what one would choose if one was only interested in max power production. AFR's in the upper 11's ( I think that is what I see in the vid ?) is slow burning, just as is too lean.. (Hint: If I am reading that chart right, re-dyno that 450 with a stupid EJK tuned to do-up 12.4 to 12.6 @ WOT.. Mid 12's still offer some component protection..)
Just remember, there are ignition scheme considerations when changing WOT AFR's from slower burning to faster burning..
Yup yup, the dyno for the KX was done with the black coupler. So, it is the safest of the three, running around 11.8 if I remember correctly. I changed to the next aggressive coupler, which should have an AFR of around 12.2-12.5 based on how it runs. Ignition is most likely a bit more aggressive in the mid range too. The black coupler is probably ideal for an exhaust. The most aggressive coupler definitely is running around 13+ AFR, so that needs to be fattened up a bit. I think it should pick up some nice gains by simply leaning out that 11.8 AFR though
Cant wait to see your mods!
We're chomping at the bit to get started! Just waiting on the parts to arrive
Good one. Subbed.
Much appreciated! Thanks for the sub!
Here's the 2022 KLX300SM on the dyno. I'd think the engine in the SM is the same as in the standard KLX300. The dyno graph shows that this 2022 doesn't fall off so bad after the peak HP point (still ~20 rwhp at redline), so maybe Kawasaki has fixed the tune on the 2022 models.
ruclips.net/video/uBjt8AowLZk/видео.html
Here's the dyno pull (on same dyno) on the 2021 KLX300, and it shows a similar drop off to around ~17 rwhp at redline.
ruclips.net/video/LeeSD0vnedU/видео.html
I've uncorked and tuned my 2020 klx300r 31.8 hp at 8500
That's awesome! Would you have a copy of the graph you could send me? I'd like to analyze it. Did you get it tuned with the PCV? My email is JHiggens@outlook.com
@@jhmotorclub6916 unfortunately it was a rainy windy day and I was so excited to test the bike I shove the slip into my pocket and somewhere lost it on the days trip I remember we put a little timing back into it in the heart of the Curve but the over rev on it was still pretty bad
Do I think my world in your world is going to be completely different I took the air box lid off para delete full pro circuit with the spark arrestor out it's loud I'm talking CRF450 about the loudest thing barking in the timber I'd almost bet I'm over 100 dbs
would you be willing to share the dyno tune via email?
I like to address the elephant in the room.. Where did you get the sunglasses?
I got them from Dita lol, then I got them fitted with my prescription
Any recent updates with all your mods? Great content 👍
JH, I did the full FMF exhaust, EJK, snorkle removal. How do those mods dyno in your experience? ( nowhere near a dynoshop)
I have too much work in my ‘19 250 to bail on it. Pretty excited to find out how and who you get to flash the ecu. The EJK could be adjusted to follow/enhance the flash then you’d have the complete package.
People are getting so caught up in numbers. Useability is so inportant. I have an acquaintance that has a new 450CRF and he hates the bike. Unusable power. An close friend has a new 250EXC-F, same thing, it drives him bonkers in the slow technical even with the slow roll on throttle cam installed. He calls my KLX (sweet, tractor like and friendly, much more usable on the trail) than his bike that cost twice as much.
Numbers aren’t everything.
An uncorked KLX250 makes around 23-25WHP. As shown in the trail video, the KLX has great usable power. It'd be great to improve it up top too though to have the total package, lugging down low and the charge winding out up top.
Awesome thanks!
🤙
My 2018 250 feels like it makes about 10hp
Thinking it will make about 25 or so.....
Slightly high! Close though
Why they didn’t make this a 350 or 400 is beyond me.
I would have liked to see that!
You know those tires cost you a couple horsepower at least, right? Dump bombers are only really valid with a racing slick on there. Knobbies slip and read less power. You can compare two different bikes if they have similar tires but claiming that as an absolute hp number is not valid.
Damn!! Let me know when you figure out how to uncork the ecu....;-)
Definitely will do! It will be a new ball game when it is
@@jhmotorclub6916 they did release an EJK for it already
@@ryanhanner4922 I wasn't a big fan of the EJK with my bike. It may be fine for many people, but we're looking to go further than that
@@jhmotorclub6916 what about the pcv dyno jet for it
Ryan, the PCV is not the ecu. Someone just needs to do a flash service for the ECU to get rid of the EPA kerap tuning. You can only do so much with the fueling unless the ignition timing is worked with as well. On my Super Tenere, we have to get the ECU flashed AND put the PCV on (I added the Autotune for further tunability, the engine from the factory runs way lean, above 14.2afr, ideal is 13.6afr across the board) The fed goons are REALLY cracking down on tuners. They spend more resources shasing down tuners than keeping the drug cartel mules out of the border.
So, it needs an ECU reflash, and a fuel controller with the exhaust de restricted and smog crapola removed.
Have we verified the current 300R has the top end? If it does, I wonder if there is a controller swap that can be made. They are mechanically almost the same motor. 🤔 See you in the next vid, my dude.
They are the same motor, from what I've seen. You are thinking like I am lol, but they have different ECU's unfortunately. I have not seen anyone put the 300R on the dyno yet. Maybe I should see if I can get ahold of one on the dyno somehow. It would reveal some useful information
Agreed. Is the ignition control module separate or part of the ecu?
@@eljuano28 On the KLX300, it is part of the ECU. I believe it is the same on the KLX300R as well
I can't imagine that'll be available or cheap for some time then.
@@eljuano28 True, hopefully we get a somewhat simple solution shortly
hard numbers is good shit 👌👌
I am going to guess no more than 2HP from KLX250
I would have guessed the same going off of the displacement, which would be quite logical actually. However, then I remembered Kawasaki treated the 300 to some spicier cams!
@@jhmotorclub6916 The old carbed and kickstart KLX300 had a horsepower rating of 32hp. At the crank, but that's still 27hp...
Can you explain what the term “ignition retard” means? You’ve explained the consequences of its presence on the bike, functionally. But what is it mechanically?
Ignition timing represents the angle before the piston hits top dead center. If ignition timing is too late, the piston may be already traveling in its down stroke when the fuel mixture is ignited. The idea of ignition timing is to optimize peak cylinder pressure just before top dead center. Therefore, a retard in ignition timing would mean that the spark is igniting the mixture closer to the piston hitting top dead center.
Does the klx300 have the same tune a klx300r comes with? Curious how apples to apples this video is for a 300r.
Well, at 10:50 you dude mention it. But, it was a guess. Have you verified any differences?
They definitely have different tunes from what I have been hearing from those with the 300R's
THIS DYNO JETS RESPONSIBILITY TO IT'S CUSTOMERS TO MAKE A POWER COMANDER/FLASH BOX FOR THIS BIKE HOPEFULLY WE WILL SEE THAT IN 2021 YAMAHA WR250R GONE AND 250F PROVABLY NOT FAR BEHIND. SO COME ON DYNO JET 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 THE KLX300 MARKET WILL EXPLODE 💥 WITH THE KLX300SM. That bike should push minimum 35 ++HP with dyno jet.
My bet is 27 horsepower at the rear wheel
I think it'll be right there when it's uncorked!
Clutch switch mod..
23.4hp
In Italia le 300 giapponesi hanno 28hp
stock to stock better off with a crf250f, cheaper and more reliable, now move over to modifying and might tell a different story
28 BHP
I'm guessing 27 hp
dang 23hp, honda crf300 make more believe. Plus valve adjustment interval is much longer on honda.
I'm not certain on the Honda, as I have not seen it on the dyno yet. I don't mind the valve adjustment intervals. I've gotten the check down to around 30 minutes, and shimming in about an hour and a half. Many KLX's surpass the factory adjustment interval by double or more.
@@jhmotorclub6916 I believe it's same engine as rebel and cbf 300 which have 27 wheel hp.
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Lol 😂 I received letters from them in high school of that nature
28 horses
The bike is definitely capable of that uncorked!
26HP
21hp. This thing's not supposed to be fast tho so that's ok.
27
i sub i wanna find out how to fix haha
22 hp guess
Ooo, pretty close!
Shift it right at 8k,it will be faster.
With this info, revving it to redline is probably not the quickest way to accelerate like you said. It'd probably be best to shift at around 9,000 to 9,500. The power is still somewhat level there; therefore, still producing more power than what it would be in the next gear. I'll go out and give it a test though!