i only follow a few other detailing channels for entertainment because i like watching them wash the car. When you need questions answered this is the one to come to.
It’s true. Dad creates content that actively engages different aspects of the detailing scene. He’s had loads of people creating derivative content off of his idea’s. He poses a question and answers it within his videos and takes time answering a lot of questions, all while YT’ers have repositioned their channels into little more than storefronts. No one on the platform does more for the scene and asks for less. Donate to his Patreon. Rule Britannia 🇬🇧
I'm not in the trade jon but when i spend hours compounding and perfecting the finish i just want to use the same brand panel wipe as the ceramic coating im using. I know its somewhat silly but i dont want to chance leaving any panel wipe residue on the panel that could compromise it or make it a nightmare to apply and buff off.
no its logical dave. but even more logical use the panel wipe for the brand that makes your abrasive that you used.. thats the ultimate bit of logic. because say for example you have a silicone and solvent carried abrasive and that abrasive manaufacture panel wipe is made to remove silicons but your coating panel wipe might be more effective for a watery emulsion abrasive for example. so yer systems of products is a good idea for sure theres risks when you mix and match.
Jon i think that mixing water out of the taps CAN cause issues if you are looking for that squeeky clean surface. I have very hard water....and it leaves a chalky residue, and thus i would never water down a product from my tap water, especially if im preparing a surface for a ceramic coating. On a final wipe down i use the IPA panel wipe NEAT to ensure that surface is cleaned. If im going to water down a product for panel preparation i will use distilled water because i do not want to comprimise that perfect finish after hours and hours of work. Please note this in future...stinking hard water!
Hey Jon, try Swisswax cleaner fluid, it has a lot of fillers in it, Sonax perfect finish does as well. Nice test to see if you can actually get all the remnants off. I think you might want to experiment with some silicone removers as well. I've seen a pro detailer who uses two stages of degreasing, with different type of degreasers, to actually get all of it off. The swisswax cleaner fluid will demonstrate this very nicely!
Iv just bought 5ltrs of carchem panel prep will that be ok for removing Koch abrasives I asked car chem they said it’s based on ipa and surfactants couldn’t get Koch stuff too expensive
Excellent video Jon. Thank you. Look forward to those tests you mentioned too. Be interesting to see if they all work the same despite the claims and the absorbintent cost of the ready made products.
I quite like the idea of the sanding, then maybe a polish such as perfect finish (people claim it has loads of fillers) or even Koch F6.01. Keep up the great work, sir! The uploads have been crazy fast!
A lot of good idea's for this one Jon! Considered the glaze/AIO type test you mentioned, never did try it but I agree it's a possible method for determining how effective these PWs are. Look forward to the comparison in future 👍
I tried home made ipa (your mix instructions) and gtechniq on some blob samples of scholl s3 gold, s40 and angle wax finishing polish to see what they did. The alcohol did ok, the gtechniq I didn’t see a difference. The s3 didn’t dissolve with any of them. So got some slow upol for when I do a ceramic coating later this year, going to see if that resolves it. Maybe one of your blob test and see what they all do. As well as the test your planning?
Geyon and gtechniq is ipa 40/50% + water. BH is solvent based. Koch i suggest to try the FW panel prep. Great great video again John sir. Much love from Greece. My kind regards
I'm looking forward to seeing the results here. Although my thoughts on the matter would be, that you shouldn't use Koch Polishes as the likelihood is Sil will perform the best against the polishes it's been manufactured for. Although I suppose that could be a separate test all together. I am curious how your home brew product fairs against the others.
Alright. So Ive been mixing pure ipa with water (20-50%) for some time. Found I do not need high concentration and tend to keep it at 20-30. You Jon say 1% of apc will make it better?
I'm really interested in this. I have never been convinced that any panel wipe worked 100% in removing polishing remains hence I wash my car afterwards. I think carpro eraser or Upol were significantly better than my homebrew ipa, but I was always convinced there were polish remnants. I don't think the majority of ppl wash their cars after a panel wipe and just before a coating. So I would be really interested in your test where you have another test panel where you use an APC to clean before you coat a vehicle (i think you need the power of a panel wipe and wash to remove polish). I would be also interested in the longevity of primers for ceramic coatings such as carpro essence, as my hunch is that a clean surface provides a better/longer bond, therefore questioning the purpose of these products.
Maybe you could another comparison into this comparison of surfex as a panel wipe Vs no panel wipe v cleanser fluid/geon/Koch/gtechniq? Looking forward to the full video 👍🏼
Toluene has some solubilty in water (.52 grams per liter), and if there is an alcohol in the mix, then that should increase it's solubilty. While most hydrocarbon compounds are considered non polar, that varies greatly with composition and structure.
I've got carpro essence and cquartz uk 3.0 I'm guessing I shouldn't use a IPA in between the polishing and protection stage, essence says it helps the ceramic coating to bond better to the panel. So after I've done my decontamination phase when should I do my IPA wipe down? Ps I've never applied a ceramic coating before, waiting until March April time when the weather gets better
You have to think why are you doing an IPA wipe down. It’s to remove polishing oils etc from the surface so the coating can bond. The essence of Essence (damn I’m smooth🥴) and other ceramic primer polishes is that they offer great finishing/light filling abilities and leave a surface that the coating can bond to. That means the panel wipe stage isn’t needed if you are going down this route and that is one of the reasons why they have been developed. You wouldn’t really need to panel wipe before that stage as you’re not applying anything to bond on top. However, having a product that removes the polishes that you use before the primer polishes in order to check the true correction achieved is very useful. A panel wipe here helps you see exactly how well you’ve corrected, but you have to be careful that the product you use doesn’t swell your paint or if it does, be aware of it.
Just wondered have you done a review on Turtle Wax new graphene flex wax this is the one in the bottle where you can use an applicator not the spray type
Was talking to Mario from Koch that I bought car chem panel wipe for Koch abrasives insted of Koch sil he said is it at least 30% ipa so think that’s minimum you need for Koch abrasives the car chem panel wipe is really strong 50% ipa they said based off ipa and surfactants so Mabey similar to home brew I’m not sure I’m just interested in the panel wipe lol
Maybe some kind of test, which would show if it swells the paint. Maybe take a section with P6000, apply the products, leave them for a minute and wipe and check results. Not sure about the methodology.
Acetone has the benefit of being water soluble and performs a similar job to IPA which is also very fast to flash. Windex in the UK is different to the US and doesn’t have the ammonia. Otherwise it has alcohols, water, wetting agents and probably vinegar. Yvan’s idea is similar in that you have the solvent, the degreaser and the mix deals with the various potential oils, waxes etc that just alcohol or a solvent might not get by itself.
IPA softens and swells clearcoat potentially if you mis-use it. but yes some hydrocarbons designed for prep purposes might be a bit harsh for inspection wipedowns and such but I guess it depends on the product.
there will be some online training available very soon hopefully in the next 4-6 weeks. stay tuned to the main channel this is just thebackup channel (forensic detailing)
I think it is important to note when you are using the panel wipe...IE is this a final wipe down or just buffing off compound....this context is critical. For final wipedowns i wouldn't go watering down your "big brand" panel prep wipe. you really want to make sure that panel has nothing on it.
yes and also I think something like Gtech panel wipe might be a bit tasty for inspection wipedowns, specially if you are heating up the paint and packing it out with solvents from the polish etc.. then set after set and wipedown after wipedown..
A cheap panel wipe. McKees N-914, diluted 1:8. I haven’t tested it. You should definitely test it :). It’s a rinseless wash that they advertise can be diluted to make it into a panel wipe
The thought and effort that goes into your tests is unbelievable!
i only follow a few other detailing channels for entertainment because i like watching them wash the car. When you need questions answered this is the one to come to.
It’s true. Dad creates content that actively engages different aspects of the detailing scene.
He’s had loads of people creating derivative content off of his idea’s. He poses a question and answers it within his videos and takes time answering a lot of questions, all while YT’ers have repositioned their channels into little more than storefronts.
No one on the platform does more for the scene and asks for less.
Donate to his Patreon. Rule Britannia 🇬🇧
He's as mad as a box of frogs, but i really like this channel, very informative.
Hello. Please tell me what is the difference between PPS and SIL. Which one is better paint prep for ceramic coating?
I'm not in the trade jon but when i spend hours compounding and perfecting the finish i just want to use the same brand panel wipe as the ceramic coating im using. I know its somewhat silly but i dont want to chance leaving any panel wipe residue on the panel that could compromise it or make it a nightmare to apply and buff off.
no its logical dave. but even more logical use the panel wipe for the brand that makes your abrasive that you used.. thats the ultimate bit of logic. because say for example you have a silicone and solvent carried abrasive and that abrasive manaufacture panel wipe is made to remove silicons but your coating panel wipe might be more effective for a watery emulsion abrasive for example. so yer systems of products is a good idea for sure theres risks when you mix and match.
Just wondering what your current recipe is Jon? 🤔The "original" was IPA, DI and SLES (with optimal colour) but you mentioned Surfex-HD in this one.
Jon i think that mixing water out of the taps CAN cause issues if you are looking for that squeeky clean surface. I have very hard water....and it leaves a chalky residue, and thus i would never water down a product from my tap water, especially if im preparing a surface for a ceramic coating. On a final wipe down i use the IPA panel wipe NEAT to ensure that surface is cleaned. If im going to water down a product for panel preparation i will use distilled water because i do not want to comprimise that perfect finish after hours and hours of work. Please note this in future...stinking hard water!
yes this is important I use DI water for this.
Hey Jon, try Swisswax cleaner fluid, it has a lot of fillers in it, Sonax perfect finish does as well. Nice test to see if you can actually get all the remnants off.
I think you might want to experiment with some silicone removers as well. I've seen a pro detailer who uses two stages of degreasing, with different type of degreasers, to actually get all of it off. The swisswax cleaner fluid will demonstrate this very nicely!
Iv just bought 5ltrs of carchem panel prep will that be ok for removing Koch abrasives I asked car chem they said it’s based on ipa and surfactants couldn’t get Koch stuff too expensive
Excellent video Jon. Thank you.
Look forward to those tests you mentioned too. Be interesting to see if they all work the same despite the claims and the absorbintent cost of the ready made products.
I quite like the idea of the sanding, then maybe a polish such as perfect finish (people claim it has loads of fillers) or even Koch F6.01. Keep up the great work, sir! The uploads have been crazy fast!
Sonax perfect finish is a machine polish not a hand polish 🤦♂️
@@hakman239 I am aware, I’ve used a bunch of it. It was a typo.
I know this is an old video but bought the BH today and they do 5L for £29.95 🙂
A lot of good idea's for this one Jon! Considered the glaze/AIO type test you mentioned, never did try it but I agree it's a possible method for determining how effective these PWs are. Look forward to the comparison in future 👍
Jon if i have chalky hard water would it be recommended to use distilled water as an extra precaution? its only like 50cents for a gallon.
absolutely, would be a good idea :)
I tried home made ipa (your mix instructions) and gtechniq on some blob samples of scholl s3 gold, s40 and angle wax finishing polish to see what they did. The alcohol did ok, the gtechniq I didn’t see a difference. The s3 didn’t dissolve with any of them. So got some slow upol for when I do a ceramic coating later this year, going to see if that resolves it. Maybe one of your blob test and see what they all do. As well as the test your planning?
Geyon and gtechniq is ipa 40/50% + water. BH is solvent based.
Koch i suggest to try the FW panel prep.
Great great video again John sir. Much love from Greece.
My kind regards
GTechniq PW isn't IPA based. It's Ethanol and Ethyl Acetate.
@@glumdogtrillionaire correct my.mistake. the 50% was geyons prep nit gtech. Sorry
I'm looking forward to seeing the results here. Although my thoughts on the matter would be, that you shouldn't use Koch Polishes as the likelihood is Sil will perform the best against the polishes it's been manufactured for. Although I suppose that could be a separate test all together. I am curious how your home brew product fairs against the others.
just baught that bilt hamber panel wipe last week for my yearly full detail. Interesting video.
Alright. So Ive been mixing pure ipa with water (20-50%) for some time. Found I do not need high concentration and tend to keep it at 20-30. You Jon say 1% of apc will make it better?
I'm really interested in this. I have never been convinced that any panel wipe worked 100% in removing polishing remains hence I wash my car afterwards. I think carpro eraser or Upol were significantly better than my homebrew ipa, but I was always convinced there were polish remnants. I don't think the majority of ppl wash their cars after a panel wipe and just before a coating. So I would be really interested in your test where you have another test panel where you use an APC to clean before you coat a vehicle (i think you need the power of a panel wipe and wash to remove polish).
I would be also interested in the longevity of primers for ceramic coatings such as carpro essence, as my hunch is that a clean surface provides a better/longer bond, therefore questioning the purpose of these products.
Maybe you could another comparison into this comparison of surfex as a panel wipe Vs no panel wipe v cleanser fluid/geon/Koch/gtechniq?
Looking forward to the full video 👍🏼
This is truly the detailing video I've been waiting for... Panel wipes really are getting expensive
Toluene has some solubilty in water (.52 grams per liter), and if there is an alcohol in the mix, then that should increase it's solubilty. While most hydrocarbon compounds are considered non polar, that varies greatly with composition and structure.
Jon another good hack is using a big box brand Window cleaner like Windex for a panel wipe.
viable hack lots of glass cleaners are 10-15% IPA 10-5% ethanol 1-2% surfactant + water. aka panel wipe.
Looking forward to this, been on the fence for a panel wipe
can I use surfex HD when making panel wipe thanks great video s
yes mate DI water 73%/ 2 % surfex / 25% IPA (99% prf IPA)
I've got carpro essence and cquartz uk 3.0 I'm guessing I shouldn't use a IPA in between the polishing and protection stage, essence says it helps the ceramic coating to bond better to the panel. So after I've done my decontamination phase when should I do my IPA wipe down? Ps I've never applied a ceramic coating before, waiting until March April time when the weather gets better
You have to think why are you doing an IPA wipe down. It’s to remove polishing oils etc from the surface so the coating can bond. The essence of Essence (damn I’m smooth🥴) and other ceramic primer polishes is that they offer great finishing/light filling abilities and leave a surface that the coating can bond to. That means the panel wipe stage isn’t needed if you are going down this route and that is one of the reasons why they have been developed.
You wouldn’t really need to panel wipe before that stage as you’re not applying anything to bond on top. However, having a product that removes the polishes that you use before the primer polishes in order to check the true correction achieved is very useful. A panel wipe here helps you see exactly how well you’ve corrected, but you have to be careful that the product you use doesn’t swell your paint or if it does, be aware of it.
Is body shop panel wipe the same as the detailing stuff as this is much cheaper. The gunman uses 50/50 methylated spirit /water. Just a thought
bodyshop panel wipes are closer to BH usually non polar hydrocarbon solvent...
"do not forget to hit subscribe button" chuckled
Just wondered have you done a review on Turtle Wax new graphene flex wax this is the one in the bottle where you can use an applicator not the spray type
Was talking to Mario from Koch that I bought car chem panel wipe for Koch abrasives insted of Koch sil he said is it at least 30% ipa so think that’s minimum you need for Koch abrasives the car chem panel wipe is really strong 50% ipa they said based off ipa and surfactants so Mabey similar to home brew I’m not sure I’m just interested in the panel wipe lol
Jon, you know I am a Gtechniq fan, so what is you home made PW formula product and percentages? Thanks
2% surfex 25% IPA (99prf) rest DI water
My i know your home made panelprep please John your the BEST, i follow almost 2 years from Belguïm thx buddy
2% surfex 25% IPA (99prf) rest DI water cheers m8
Maybe some kind of test, which would show if it swells the paint. Maybe take a section with P6000, apply the products, leave them for a minute and wipe and check results. Not sure about the methodology.
Great advise as always Jon👍
i think adding that 2% surfex hd is genius, i copied you and for removing buffing compounds its really useful.
Very informative video! Thanks for the upload 👍
Isn't toluene a hyrdocarbon?
What is in your home mix panel wipe?
Great topic
What are your thoughts on 1 part acetone to 2 parts windex as a panel wipe
acetone is too strong I think but not sure Ive never used it in my homebrew so no real experience with it.
Acetone has the benefit of being water soluble and performs a similar job to IPA which is also very fast to flash. Windex in the UK is different to the US and doesn’t have the ammonia. Otherwise it has alcohols, water, wetting agents and probably vinegar. Yvan’s idea is similar in that you have the solvent, the degreaser and the mix deals with the various potential oils, waxes etc that just alcohol or a solvent might not get by itself.
Gyeon prep £41 for 4 litres Jon. But sill isn’t cheap.
15% IPA, 84% Naphtha (hydrotreated light), 1% SLES. Thank me later.
I was watching a video by Yvan he said body shop solvents should stay in a body shop they soften and swell clear coat
IPA softens and swells clearcoat potentially if you mis-use it. but yes some hydrocarbons designed for prep purposes might be a bit harsh for inspection wipedowns and such but I guess it depends on the product.
Has anyone had any experience with u-pol panel wipe would this work as a pre prep for a wax after a polish?
You know its going to be a good week when you win 100€ worth of detailing stuff. On a MONDAY lol.
Jon , are you going to put your home brew magic potion mix ratios in the video information above here?????
yo dave I listed it out for someone in another comment on this video have a scroll down mate you will see it.
@@forensicunplugged4295 cheers fella
Autosmart panel prep works well and is no where near £40 for 5 litres from a rep.
Good to know
Great video as always could you show us how you make your home made ipa please thank you
He has this video up already from a while ago.
Some details about your homemade PW would be good.
Before the pandemic I was buying 90% ipa for $.89 a L, now a 70% is $3.49 for 473 ml.
𝔾yeon Prep is $80 in all Stateside warehouses. 🥵
Please Jon, say 'kogg' not 'kotsj'
Koch Chemie also has the STS on their website for every product and a lot of their products contain limonene.
Jon, where is your can of Tetrosyl panel wipe? I use this stuff as a tar remover. You can also buy bioethanol really cheaply on Amazon.
used it all dave
This video made my head hurt.....
This is going to be a good one. 🍻
Do you offer training?
there will be some online training available very soon hopefully in the next 4-6 weeks. stay tuned to the main channel this is just thebackup channel (forensic detailing)
I think it is important to note when you are using the panel wipe...IE is this a final wipe down or just buffing off compound....this context is critical. For final wipedowns i wouldn't go watering down your "big brand" panel prep wipe. you really want to make sure that panel has nothing on it.
yes and also I think something like Gtech panel wipe might be a bit tasty for inspection wipedowns, specially if you are heating up the paint and packing it out with solvents from the polish etc.. then set after set and wipedown after wipedown..
My head is fried with this guy ....WTF bucket water fairy Liquid wash car done no head ache
A cheap panel wipe. McKees N-914, diluted 1:8. I haven’t tested it. You should definitely test it :). It’s a rinseless wash that they advertise can be diluted to make it into a panel wipe
I’m curious about this as well. I’ve used it before, but not sure if it truly worked.
Try some Coca Cola you might be surprised.
I’m a Mountain Dew man myself
1st from port.. oh no wait.
To much unnecessary talk bye