Grenn and the others saying their vows was the single most badass moment in the episode for me. I cried when Ygritte died. I cried when I saw that Grenn died, even though I knew he was doomed. Pyp, Grenn, Ygritte. 3 of the most overlooked badasses in Westeros.
The mammoth was cool too. I was afraid they would omit that. When it showed up I was bouncing in my chair squealing like an idiot. And it ended the right way. All around bitchin' episode.
How can they just kill off characters that haven't died in the books yet? What if Martin decided to have a certain character show up again for something important later?
Drannion Entertainment apparently martin has discussed the future books with the show runners and they pretty much know what goes down in the future so i'm sure they are free to kill off those characters if they wanted to
Theriot6592 Ballsy! LOL They completely changed stuff that was better unchanged. For example when they changed "Only Cat" to "Your sister" it was clear they were catering to morons who could give two shits about the names of characters on the show.
Max Liam What you just pointed out is what makes it so ballsy genius. They try these moves, trying to catch book readers off guard, trying to keep the series as fresh as possible for everyone, and sometimes, it works perfectly, like in the Red Wedding, and like in this episode, and sometimes, it doesn't work at all, like not putting "Only Cat" in that episode. It's a give and take, and it's one of the things that, as a book reader, I appreciate more than anything else about this show. If you can't appreciate that, you are probably better off just sticking to reading the books, and dropping the show now, because this won't be the last time they make a "drastic" change.
Max Liam That was the fucking dumbest complaint ever. If you wanted a fucking example, you could've talked about the "King of Quarth"-storyline (which was goddamn retarded). But changing "only cat" into "your sister" is NOT something worth whining about. It's still two words, it still has the same meaning, and it still has the same impact on the scene. If you mean to tell me that everything is ruined because of that one fucking line, just stop watching the fucking show.
One of my favorite moment in the episode is when Sam told Pip to "open the f***king gate" for Gilly, there's a change in his tone, facial expression and body language in that moment. Totally badass.
Funny how things turn out in GOT 1. It was Grenn, Pyp and Sam who convinced Jon to go back to the wall when Ned was executed but if they ran away with Jon they'd still be alive 2. Ygritted hesitated killing Jon the same way Jon hesitated killing her when they first met. 3. Robb died because he choose love over duty while Jon suffers and has no problem dying because he choose duty over love 4. the Men who defended the tunnel didn't want to become men of the night's watch yet in the end it was them who truly understood their vows opposite to men of the Kings guard who want to join yet never really understand their vows 5. Sam was laughed at for being a coward during their arrival at castle black but when the free folk attacked it was Sam who was the calmest
So many complaints in this comment section, if you hate the show as much as you say just stop watching. And PLEASE stop bitching about them changing things from the book; it's not the fucking book, it's the TV show. If they want to change something they can. Also, why is everyone up in arms about two minor characters dying? Get over it.
"... while neither of the characters died on the show, we felt we needed some casualties among the people we really care about here." What the fuck? Did I actually just hear that? I would've defended D & D's choice on killing those two, but not after hearing that. George might be pretty ruthless at times when he _needs_ to be, but despite what people might say I don't think he kills characters for shock value. I'm extremely disappointed in both of them after hearing that. Don't get me wrong here, I have no problem with those two characters dying. They were always secondary and were just fun to see from time to time. But to admit to killing those two for shock value is really shameful for the entire adaptation/show. I feel that's not at all what George wants people to take away from his books.
I really think they did it for budgetary reasons since those two characters only have a line or two in the next two books and are pretty much out of the picture.
That could be so. It could also be because they never casted Donal Noye(a pretty big mistake if you ask me). It's still nonsense for them to think that there needs to be characters we care about getting killed off. One thing I did notice is that they decided to keep Edd alive. That's probably for another character's death.
I don´t think they are killed for shock value. But coming out of a battle this big without any casualties the crowd cares about would take away from the scale and drama this conflict means. I really liked them, but i really like the fact, that the show reimagines the plot. This way you get such surprises. It might be for the worse from time to time, but in general i´m more excited about the show this way.
They didn't just pull Grenn's death out of their asses though. His whole last stand was in the book, but it was done by Donal Noye, who is probably and equally important character that just happened to be left out of the show. Someone had to fill that void. The only two options otherwise would've been to either have him survive the battle with the giant, which to me just doesn't feel right, or cut the scene altogether, which would've been a very important moment to cut.
Jack Holander I believe they did not do that for shock value, they did it for a couple of reasons, such as, Jon Snow being more lonely after this battle, and more importantly being more realistic and showing the extent of the battle. It would just be less realistic if the Brothers suffered any less casualties, or if only not well known brothers died, when facing this kind of an enemy.
They killed Grenn and Pyp because they want Jon to feel/seem more lonely on the Wall next season. They're not just doing it to do it. They have good reasoning behind the decision.
Also they have a huge cast, so the budget comes into place, characters are trimmed. Especially when they do not have much lines or story plot in the next two books.
MegaMoose1989 EXACTLY this is these stupid people dont understand look how big the book is everything wont be in there characters are meant to serve a purpose to contribute the story if they are no longer needed why kill them , the main characters create the sequence for the show
***** The sex scenes for idiots to realize that this is not a kids show but an adult show. Gilly is very important to the development of Sam the Slayers character development. Sam is a POV character.
What an episode, the best battle scene I have ever seen, great acting, Sam becomes a man and Jon a leader, A few shocking and heart wrenching deaths and all in castle black and this also leads upto Jon going on a solo mission to find and kill Mance. Great directing and a great episode!
Pyp and Grenn are two very likable characters. They are just secondary characters but a treat to behold. They are Jon's closest friends. Grenn stood up for Jon multiple of times and Pyp was just so normal and innocent. The two of them are just so sweet. I just... Yeah, it affects me that they got killed despite them actually surviving in the books but I like it that they died with honor. They both came from nothing but they held on to their vows and died as men of the night's watch. It's beautiful.
I love that Sam find a hole in the oath...LOL and you guys did great job in this episode with one long shoot that last about 10sec...great job with that one!!
Honestly.. the work that goes into this show is astounding. Seriously, props to every man and woman who has worked on this show for us all to enjoy. Thank you. Thank every single one of you.
Wow. So many people pissed at Grenn and Pyp. They wanted to kill them to show that there were casualties for the Watch, that this attack did take something from them, because in the books nobody major on the Watch died, so this gives it a bit more weight and impact. So they decided to kill two characters that the show watchers might recognize as those 2 dudes who hang around Jon Snow sometimes. Also, Edd is alive so "Edd, fetch me a block" should still be there next season... :D
Hajar Lakroune This is a spoiler* When Jon is made Lord Commander Janos refuses to do as he's told. So Jon says he will be hanged. He then says for Edd to fetch him the chopping block so that he can execute him himself. Following Ned's lead "the man who gives the sentence should swing the sword." That's not the exact quote but you get what I mean.
coming off the "the mountain and the viper" episode i wasnt much into the battle at the wall. but i this episode was soooooo good. i loved it. love the fight between orange beard giants mane dude and tall asshole leader dude (still dont know their names) and the fight between jon and cannibal leader. man this episode was good. best season of an amazing show filled with great seasons.
This was the best episode in the history of the series :) The fight of Jon as leader, Sam proved his value as man of the night watch and his love to Gily, Edd defending the wall and of course the death and sacrifice of Green, Pyp and finally Ygritte
Even though this episode, (season 4 episode 9,) only takes place at Castle Black, SO MUCH important shit happens in this and the next episode. Ygtitte dies, Grenn and Pyp both die, (along with many others,) and in episode 10 Brienne fights the Hound, Stannis surrounds the Wildlings north of the Wall and captures Mance, and Jaime helps Tyrion escape and after he kills Tywin and Shae, he and Varys both set sail to Pentos. And I'm fairly certain I'm forgetting something.
This episode reminds me of the game Skyrim with the Snow, Wildlings, Mammoths and Giants. I wouldn't be surprise the mammoth scene was base off from the game because I don't remember reading about mammoths from the books unless i missed that part from the book. Great episode and I enjoy this very much. Gate scene with those 6 men standing at the gate against the giant to hold the giant back was the best hero scene I seen so far.
I cried when Grenn and the others went against the giant repeating their vows - and i wish they had shown the fight - i would have cried my eyes out but still... RIP Grenn :'(
3:30 David...Just because people care about a character, it doesnt mean they have to die! This guy just thinks killing off good characters will create good story.And Just because a a certian event doesn't have any deaths doesnt mean the event was bad. terrible screenwriter.
you miss the point. what he's saying is that, if that's some other character we have there, someone we don't know, an extra perhaps, the audience wouldn't care much about the result of the fight. would you care if you see two strangers brawling on the street? no. but if one of them is your friend, you'll care. that's what storytelling is about, having readers/watchers care about fictional characters.
***** Where are you seeing Geroge RR Martin wrote this episode? On the official wiki it says David and D.B. wrote it. gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/The_Watchers_on_the_Wall
Let's kill off Grenn AND Pyp just for the sake of having somebody die. Ok. D&D. We get it. GoT has a reputation for characters dying. But killing a likable character that's doesn't die in the books just for the sake of killing a likable character is bullshit.
It makes sense for those two to die in that big battle. They weren't all that important characters that people need to freak out over. It's what he said and his reasoning for killing them that is messed up. He killed them just to get an "omg" reaction. That's so cheap.
RileyRivalle2 Then what's the point of having them BE characters in the first place? Killing them off doesn't increase the impact to prove how bad the casualties are. The fact that this is made for adults displays the fact that they are intelligent enough to know the concept of how the battle ended up. Especially the fact that they BARELY survived the first wave of wildlings from tons to come. Jon even stated that their current overall condition, the Night's Watch could only survive about 2 or 3 more waves. I understand Pyp dying, since it shown how an inexperienced warrior would most likely die. But what was the point of killing off Grenn. To show how dangerous a Giant could be? They already proven that as they almost destroyed a door that's been around for a thousand years. That was basically their role for being expendable tools on doing that. Then one got angry from his comrades death and foolishly went on an anger rush, relinquishing his role. It seems silly that about 6 of the most skilled Night's Watchmen couldn't take down a berserk behemoth without completely dying, despite being fully prepared for this. I'm not saying Grenn or any of the men he brung along should've came out unscathed, but there was a reason the author didn't add this silly scene to the book version.
RileyRivalle2 What does this have to do with Star Wars....? A very far fetched comparison plus the Star Wars extended universe does kill of characters.
When John was fighting that big wildling, When ygritte had that pausw in front of john and when those brothers were sayign their vows out loud....all these were truly amazing. what a episode and what a great show. And I must say the sound john makes when hes fighting and is so real and its something special.
I was wondering what everyone meant by the scythe. Then I saw that fucking big ass blade just butchering the climbers and I was like "Oh... so that's the scythe..."
Olly was a fookin' legend. The cook was a fookin' legend. Edd was a fookin' legend. Alliser was a fookin' legend. Grenn was a fookin' legend. Sam was a fookin' legend. Pyp was a fookin' legend. Jon took a lesson and channeled the Fookin' Legend. Is there anything that the Fookin' Legend Karl Tanner cannot do or inspire, even from beyond the grave?
I thought people were exaggerating saying that D&D hate Stannis but... Fuck! Episode 9 could have ended with his big moment but they decided to put in the middle of episode 10 where all the other thing are going to overshadow it.
The Season 3 finale had Melisandre advising Stannis to march to the Wall, upon Davos' deciphering of Sam's letter. They couldn't get anywhere near marching there in between then and now due to having a small remaining army and bad finances (which were restored by the Iron Bank of Braavos when Stannis and Davos went there to plead their case).
@@PhoenixFlamesify just like a proud dad, ohhh this is awesome. Just kiddin' he's dead burned, not in this word anymore, kinda pisses me of his death was shit.
All the people whining about Grenn and Pyp are foolish. Building an emotional connection with viewers and characters to a storyline is not done for 'shock value'. This isn't The Walking Dead here, where they deliberately kill off important characters just to get you outraged. They were decently liked, and given truly epic deaths that will progress Jon's storyline. It's not even that far off canon, and more appropriate here than elsewhere. GRRM tends to write surprising deaths into his work to shake up his characters, and he did approve these deaths.
This episode was so amazing. The best sword battle in history of TV. Tension, cinematograpy, choreography and fu*kin mammoth! Props to HBO. And I like how they saved Mance Rayder for episode 10. This is gonna be best season finale and maybe the best episode of GoT.
Iisdabest889 - Didn't mind them dying. They had good death scenes, especially Grenn. - I didn't find them soppy. The Sam/Gilly stuff wasn't my favorite, but you need quieter moments in episodes like these. - There's no way they could have fit the whole confrontation at the wall into 51 minutes. I love Stannis, but he can wait.
Finally someone, who actually has some sense AND doesn't bitching about character's deaths, who will dodn't have real plot significancy later AND also sees that Stannis would have been too much in this episode and the showrunner are actually just faithfull to the bboks in this case!
Yeah I agree that it would of been way cooler if we could of actually seen Gren kill the giant and live, but I think Pyp's death was needed because it was a good emotional scene with him and Sam but the fact we didn't even get to see Gren die makes his death feel kinda lazy and unneeded
It really was the best episode of the whole series. It took me half of the episode to realize that I was watching nothing but the castle black. Ygritte shouldn't die that night, what an irony she was killed by the kid...
WHY?! WHY did you choose to let Ygritte die? that was the biggest an emotional lovestory in all GoT episodes... there were emotional bonds between the charaters and the viewers.....bring her back to life.
Honestly, this season was kick-ass and i have to say that this episode was by far my favorite episode this season! Definitely one of the best episodes in the entire show. The camera work, the CGI, the stunts, the weapons, the creativity of it all was mind-blowing! This is just one of the many reasons this show is the best show on TV. And i finally got to see more of Jon(He seriously needs more screen time)! Can't wait for season 5... GoT is da bae
"When you're nothing - you have no more reason to be afraid" So much wisdom in this episode.... In my mind, this quote applies to fear itself and how when embody something (with the mind) - fear can manifest itself in whatever it is that you think about. Jon Snow does brief on love very well, though it seems as if he doesn't know what he talking about - two become one when you lye with a man or woman you love and anyones who experienced love knows this to be true. "And what did it get me, an arrow 4 inches from my heart" - Anyone whose loved and lost knows this to be true as well :P
Fantastic episode, everything I hope from the books was included, and I commend them for it, the barrels, Mag the Mighty, Mammoths and the Ballista. Seeing Hobb with his cleaver and that badass scythe were great additions too. Looking forward to the next episode!
I wanted to see the Giant fight so bad. Also it felt kind of odd to me that Jon only checked on Grenn in the morning, I would have ran there right away after the battle was done to see what happened.
This was the BEST episode I have seen!!! Keep on doing things like this every once in a while. The giant with the bow was epic. Great CGI, the best i have seen in a show. Totally worth the hard work you guys put in!
This was an incredible achievement of an episode. Sometimes I forget that this is a tv-show and not a blockbuster film. Ygritte dying was heartbreaking, Grenn's speech in the tunnel was fantastic, Sam- and Jon's arcs was brought full-circle, the giants, the mammoth and the wall-spike was fucking awesome, I actually started caring for Alliser Thorne (whose fight with Tormund was sick, btw)... There was so much in this episode, I think it surpassed Blackwater. And I never thought I'd say that about any episode of TV ever.
But this is what makes this show/series better and different and more realistic than all others. Shows like the walking dead for example, HARDLY a main character gets killed off, unless it's a finale of some sort. This show isn't about keeping the main characters alive for the fans to love, it's about reality and that good doesn't always win
I like how they showed Ser Alliser Thorne in the episode. He's maybe my favorite in this one despite of fact that he kinda annoyed me throughout the series and the books. This man is indeed a badass and not just talking about it. This says about the GoT so much, every character has depth, it's fantastic.
I loved Grenn, but with the lack of Donal Noye & Grenn being pretty much irrelevant afterwards, I liked that they let him go out with a bang despite how saddened I was by it. Could've left us Pyp though..
grenn had one of the best deaths. that was so badass with the vows. i was sobbing before it even happened because they were walking into certain death but it was so fucking heroic and they got the job done. one of my favorite deaths right up there to Ned and Catelyn. ned telling yoren to save arya was such a nice touch and catelyn slitting that girls throat in an attempt to save robb was insane. like wtf cat that girl is about your daughters age. whether they failed or succeeded those were some pretty great deaths because of the things they do right before it.
To the people that complain about Grenn and Pyp dying, I think it was great. Grenn took the role of Donal Noye, and Noye probably had the most badass death in the books, which was now given to Grenn. Pyp was a skinny steward and he was in the courtyard, the freaking heat of battle.
Grenn in a sense took the place of Donal Noye who goes in the tunnel and Pyp is that one guy(can't remember his name) who was shooting arrows next to Jon and was killed in the books.
as soon as sam said i promise im not going to die i actually thought shit his dead but not this time! I think R.R Martin got me too prepared to see someone die XD
I am actually amazed by the amount of Stannis fans out there,it will be awesome if he gets some cool lines and at least 10 minutes of screentime next episode.
D&D have, in my opinion, done far too many amazing things with this series to be called bad screenwriters. Killing off both Pyp and Grenn was a little harsh, but it definitely packed the emotional punches needed. Ygritte's death was too much anticipated to have the same shock factor, not to mention the spoilers they know non book readers are going to see that will take away from their original reactions. Also, to make the battle's sacrifices more believable and the large death scale, they had to kill characters known and loved by the audience, simple as that. Ygrittes death was extremely well done, the little smile Jon had as he saw her even though she was about to kill him ... that was heart wrenching.
Also they can't have actors for every character from the books, so they sometimes squeeze 2-3 characters into a single person. So disappointment will come for those left out... where was the one-armed smith? :(
A huge episode, I've just watched it and damn if it didn't deliver, David & Dan were right this being bigger than Blackwater. You had Giants, Mammoths, Giant Anchors, Arrows galore, Hammers to the skull and battle raging everywhere. Neil Marshall is the master of grimy, gritty, gory battles.
Maybe the best episode of the series. I can understand the book readers holding firm to something so close to their hearts but in context of the show, those two were extremely minor characters, and that scene with the giant was great. Amazing episode! #JonSnow4Prez
Ygritte's death was so beautifully shot. It broke my heart. Great acting from Rose Leslie, I am going to miss her :/
shot through the hart and you're to blame. Because you gave love... a bad name!
THA JOETJOEBUR Heart, not hart.
We all are going to miss her
Covah Redro What about Sansa?
THA JOETJOEBUR love is the death of duty
Grenn and the others saying their vows was the single most badass moment in the episode for me. I cried when Ygritte died. I cried when I saw that Grenn died, even though I knew he was doomed. Pyp, Grenn, Ygritte. 3 of the most overlooked badasses in Westeros.
Lazarus is go.
The mammoth was cool too. I was afraid they would omit that. When it showed up I was bouncing in my chair squealing like an idiot.
And it ended the right way.
All around bitchin' episode.
Margaret Garside I know right?! Also, I loved the use of continuous shots. Like, imagine how long they took to get JUST right.
How can they just kill off characters that haven't died in the books yet? What if Martin decided to have a certain character show up again for something important later?
Drannion Entertainment apparently martin has discussed the future books with the show runners and they pretty much know what goes down in the future so i'm sure they are free to kill off those characters if they wanted to
It's episodes like this that cement GoT's spot as the best series on television
***** I've noticed that the only ones bitching are the ones who have read the books because the show was ballsy enough to change details.
Theriot6592 Ballsy! LOL They completely changed stuff that was better unchanged. For example when they changed "Only Cat" to "Your sister" it was clear they were catering to morons who could give two shits about the names of characters on the show.
Max Liam What you just pointed out is what makes it so ballsy genius. They try these moves, trying to catch book readers off guard, trying to keep the series as fresh as possible for everyone, and sometimes, it works perfectly, like in the Red Wedding, and like in this episode, and sometimes, it doesn't work at all, like not putting "Only Cat" in that episode. It's a give and take, and it's one of the things that, as a book reader, I appreciate more than anything else about this show. If you can't appreciate that, you are probably better off just sticking to reading the books, and dropping the show now, because this won't be the last time they make a "drastic" change.
Max Liam That is a perfect example of the meaningless, pedantic bullshit book hipsters are getting their panties in a twist over.
Max Liam
That was the fucking dumbest complaint ever. If you wanted a fucking example, you could've talked about the "King of Quarth"-storyline (which was goddamn retarded).
But changing "only cat" into "your sister" is NOT something worth whining about. It's still two words, it still has the same meaning, and it still has the same impact on the scene. If you mean to tell me that everything is ruined because of that one fucking line, just stop watching the fucking show.
The scene with Green and the others in the tunnel, repeating their vow before facing the giant, was pretty awesome. Gave me goosebumps.
One of my favorite moment in the episode is when Sam told Pip to "open the f***king gate" for Gilly, there's a change in his tone, facial expression and body language in that moment. Totally badass.
Funny how things turn out in GOT
1. It was Grenn, Pyp and Sam who convinced Jon to go back to the wall when Ned was executed but if they ran away with Jon they'd still be alive
2. Ygritted hesitated killing Jon the same way Jon hesitated killing her when they first met.
3. Robb died because he choose love over duty while Jon suffers and has no problem dying because he choose duty over love
4. the Men who defended the tunnel didn't want to become men of the night's watch yet in the end it was them who truly understood their vows opposite to men of the Kings guard who want to join yet never really understand their vows
5. Sam was laughed at for being a coward during their arrival at castle black but when the free folk attacked it was Sam who was the calmest
The best episode of the whole saga
The music they used, when Ygritte died, was so beautiful and so perfect for the scene.
So many complaints in this comment section, if you hate the show as much as you say just stop watching. And PLEASE stop bitching about them changing things from the book; it's not the fucking book, it's the TV show. If they want to change something they can. Also, why is everyone up in arms about two minor characters dying? Get over it.
Jon dies in book 5shitlord
Mehow80
YOU DON'T KNOW THAT!!! IT'S ONLY IMPLIED! I MEAN, they wouldn't really kill him.. pls. He can recover from a stab wound or 20... :c
Even if he comes back he will be changed, an empty husk. GRRM hated the way Gandalf was handled in LOTR.
If a change does not improve the story then it shouldn't have been made.
***** They were sent off in the book so they are gone there as well.
"... while neither of the characters died on the show, we felt we needed some casualties among the people we really care about here." What the fuck? Did I actually just hear that? I would've defended D & D's choice on killing those two, but not after hearing that. George might be pretty ruthless at times when he _needs_ to be, but despite what people might say I don't think he kills characters for shock value. I'm extremely disappointed in both of them after hearing that.
Don't get me wrong here, I have no problem with those two characters dying. They were always secondary and were just fun to see from time to time. But to admit to killing those two for shock value is really shameful for the entire adaptation/show. I feel that's not at all what George wants people to take away from his books.
I really think they did it for budgetary reasons since those two characters only have a line or two in the next two books and are pretty much out of the picture.
That could be so. It could also be because they never casted Donal Noye(a pretty big mistake if you ask me). It's still nonsense for them to think that there needs to be characters we care about getting killed off.
One thing I did notice is that they decided to keep Edd alive. That's probably for another character's death.
I don´t think they are killed for shock value. But coming out of a battle this big without any casualties the crowd cares about would take away from the scale and drama this conflict means. I really liked them, but i really like the fact, that the show reimagines the plot. This way you get such surprises. It might be for the worse from time to time, but in general i´m more excited about the show this way.
They didn't just pull Grenn's death out of their asses though. His whole last stand was in the book, but it was done by Donal Noye, who is probably and equally important character that just happened to be left out of the show. Someone had to fill that void. The only two options otherwise would've been to either have him survive the battle with the giant, which to me just doesn't feel right, or cut the scene altogether, which would've been a very important moment to cut.
Jack Holander I believe they did not do that for shock value, they did it for a couple of reasons, such as, Jon Snow being more lonely after this battle, and more importantly being more realistic and showing the extent of the battle. It would just be less realistic if the Brothers suffered any less casualties, or if only not well known brothers died, when facing this kind of an enemy.
They killed Grenn and Pyp because they want Jon to feel/seem more lonely on the Wall next season. They're not just doing it to do it. They have good reasoning behind the decision.
Also they have a huge cast, so the budget comes into place, characters are trimmed. Especially when they do not have much lines or story plot in the next two books.
MegaMoose1989 EXACTLY this is these stupid people dont understand look how big the book is everything wont be in there characters are meant to serve a purpose to contribute the story if they are no longer needed why kill them , the main characters create the sequence for the show
***** The sex scenes for idiots to realize that this is not a kids show but an adult show. Gilly is very important to the development of Sam the Slayers character development. Sam is a POV character.
What an episode, the best battle scene I have ever seen, great acting, Sam becomes a man and Jon a leader, A few shocking and heart wrenching deaths and all in castle black and this also leads upto Jon going on a solo mission to find and kill Mance. Great directing and a great episode!
Pyp and Grenn are two very likable characters. They are just secondary characters but a treat to behold. They are Jon's closest friends. Grenn stood up for Jon multiple of times and Pyp was just so normal and innocent. The two of them are just so sweet. I just... Yeah, it affects me that they got killed despite them actually surviving in the books but I like it that they died with honor. They both came from nothing but they held on to their vows and died as men of the night's watch. It's beautiful.
The circle camera shot in the yard is just sooo beautiful!
Ygritte's death was heartbreaking...
When Ygritte died I had cried soooo much... And now you just made me cry again...
I love that Sam find a hole in the oath...LOL and you guys did great job in this episode with one long shoot that last about 10sec...great job with that one!!
Honestly.. the work that goes into this show is astounding. Seriously, props to every man and woman who has worked on this show for us all to enjoy. Thank you. Thank every single one of you.
The death of Ygritte is the only scene that made me cry real tears.
Wow. So many people pissed at Grenn and Pyp. They wanted to kill them to show that there were casualties for the Watch, that this attack did take something from them, because in the books nobody major on the Watch died, so this gives it a bit more weight and impact. So they decided to kill two characters that the show watchers might recognize as those 2 dudes who hang around Jon Snow sometimes.
Also, Edd is alive so "Edd, fetch me a block" should still be there next season... :D
Edd is great. "Light the fuckers up." Love it!
M. Padilla He stepped up to the plate beautifully. That anchor thingy was cool.
lol - pyp and grenn were sad losses, but if edd had gone i think there would have been a fucking riot!!
can you please explain to me this "fetch me a block" . who said it to who ? and why ..
Hajar Lakroune This is a spoiler*
When Jon is made Lord Commander Janos refuses to do as he's told. So Jon says he will be hanged. He then says for Edd to fetch him the chopping block so that he can execute him himself. Following Ned's lead "the man who gives the sentence should swing the sword." That's not the exact quote but you get what I mean.
My heart died in this episode.
*loves Ygritte so much too*
Fantastic episode very well shot! The giants were great :)
coming off the "the mountain and the viper" episode i wasnt much into the battle at the wall. but i this episode was soooooo good. i loved it. love the fight between orange beard giants mane dude and tall asshole leader dude (still dont know their names) and the fight between jon and cannibal leader. man this episode was good. best season of an amazing show filled with great seasons.
Hands down my favorite episode in the series.
This was the best episode in the history of the series :) The fight of Jon as leader, Sam proved his value as man of the night watch and his love to Gily, Edd defending the wall and of course the death and sacrifice of Green, Pyp and finally Ygritte
9th episodes are the ones with more deaths. Or at the least, it seems taht
gabriel amador garcia more deaths and action
nah, i prefer blackwater if you're talking about the battle scenes
I agree!!! This was just PERFECT.
Juan Tellechea it was!! and in 25 and half hours it will be season finale
This episode was so overwhelmingly intense. Goosebumps going through my back every other minute and I was almost brought to tears when Ygritte died...
Wow what an episode! Definitely lived up to the hype. And this is just the beginning, can't wait!
I know, IMHO this was one of the best episodes on GOT. I don't know what people about.
Edward Stew Hear hear! I am not the least disappointed. Sometimes I think people must find nits to pick because they think it makes them look smart.
Margaret Garside THANK YOU THEY ARE JUST FUCKING HATERS TRYING TO BE SMART
One of the best episode ever. Don't you die Jon Snow.
SUCH a greatepisode. So very well done. Great sweeping shots, very believable action, no overuse of special effects. It really was awesome.
actually cried when ygritte died in jons arms
Even though this episode, (season 4 episode 9,) only takes place at Castle Black, SO MUCH important shit happens in this and the next episode.
Ygtitte dies, Grenn and Pyp both die, (along with many others,) and in episode 10 Brienne fights the Hound, Stannis surrounds the Wildlings north of the Wall and captures Mance, and Jaime helps Tyrion escape and after he kills Tywin and Shae, he and Varys both set sail to Pentos.
And I'm fairly certain I'm forgetting something.
This episode reminds me of the game Skyrim with the Snow, Wildlings, Mammoths and Giants. I wouldn't be surprise the mammoth scene was base off from the game because I don't remember reading about mammoths from the books unless i missed that part from the book. Great episode and I enjoy this very much. Gate scene with those 6 men standing at the gate against the giant to hold the giant back was the best hero scene I seen so far.
I cried when Grenn and the others went against the giant repeating their vows - and i wish they had shown the fight - i would have cried my eyes out but still...
RIP Grenn :'(
3:30 David...Just because people care about a character, it doesnt mean they have to die! This guy just thinks killing off good characters will create good story.And Just because a a certian event doesn't have any deaths doesnt mean the event was bad. terrible screenwriter.
geoge RR martin wrote the episode xD
you miss the point. what he's saying is that, if that's some other character we have there, someone we don't know, an extra perhaps, the audience wouldn't care much about the result of the fight. would you care if you see two strangers brawling on the street? no. but if one of them is your friend, you'll care. that's what storytelling is about, having readers/watchers care about fictional characters.
*****
Where are you seeing Geroge RR Martin wrote this episode? On the official wiki it says David and D.B. wrote it.
gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/The_Watchers_on_the_Wall
yes, if the escene was made whit extra maybe would not be that powefull,, i really really like that escene
George allways wrote the episodes 9, in this season he wrote, episode 2 and 9
Let's kill off Grenn AND Pyp just for the sake of having somebody die.
Ok. D&D. We get it. GoT has a reputation for characters dying. But killing a likable character that's doesn't die in the books just for the sake of killing a likable character is bullshit.
they were in a battle, people dont live because they are likeable
Pyp I can understand, but Grenn just took over for Donal Noye. Did GRRM not kill off Donal Noye? Yes he did.
It makes sense for those two to die in that big battle. They weren't all that important characters that people need to freak out over. It's what he said and his reasoning for killing them that is messed up.
He killed them just to get an "omg" reaction. That's so cheap.
RileyRivalle2 Then what's the point of having them BE characters in the first place? Killing them off doesn't increase the impact to prove how bad the casualties are. The fact that this is made for adults displays the fact that they are intelligent enough to know the concept of how the battle ended up. Especially the fact that they BARELY survived the first wave of wildlings from tons to come. Jon even stated that their current overall condition, the Night's Watch could only survive about 2 or 3 more waves.
I understand Pyp dying, since it shown how an inexperienced warrior would most likely die. But what was the point of killing off Grenn. To show how dangerous a Giant could be? They already proven that as they almost destroyed a door that's been around for a thousand years. That was basically their role for being expendable tools on doing that. Then one got angry from his comrades death and foolishly went on an anger rush, relinquishing his role. It seems silly that about 6 of the most skilled Night's Watchmen couldn't take down a berserk behemoth without completely dying, despite being fully prepared for this. I'm not saying Grenn or any of the men he brung along should've came out unscathed, but there was a reason the author didn't add this silly scene to the book version.
RileyRivalle2 What does this have to do with Star Wars....? A very far fetched comparison plus the Star Wars extended universe does kill of characters.
When John was fighting that big wildling, When ygritte had that pausw in front of john and when those brothers were sayign their vows out loud....all these were truly amazing. what a episode and what a great show. And I must say the sound john makes when hes fighting and is so real and its something special.
This was the best episode of the whole show and Oberyn's conversation with Tyrion in the dungeons was the best scene. Bravo series four!
I was wondering what everyone meant by the scythe. Then I saw that fucking big ass blade just butchering the climbers and I was like "Oh... so that's the scythe..."
STANNIS! we want STANNIS! the one true king of Wsteros!
No
Screw Stannis, he's an idiot, even Joffrey makes a more badass king than him.
That freaking crane camera shot sweeping through the castle was fucking beautiful.
It was a 360 degree shot. The director was hidden in a cart watching from a monitor.
Olly was a fookin' legend.
The cook was a fookin' legend.
Edd was a fookin' legend.
Alliser was a fookin' legend.
Grenn was a fookin' legend.
Sam was a fookin' legend.
Pyp was a fookin' legend.
Jon took a lesson and channeled the Fookin' Legend.
Is there anything that the Fookin' Legend Karl Tanner cannot do or inspire, even from beyond the grave?
My favorite episode
I thought people were exaggerating saying that D&D hate Stannis but... Fuck!
Episode 9 could have ended with his big moment but they decided to put in the middle of episode 10 where all the other thing are going to overshadow it.
It would've been to similar to Blackwater if Stannis 'saved the day' and it keeps the audience guessing.
WiiKingMattitude24 That's probably the only reason.
***** HAha your virus shit is so obvious.
Except Stannis doesn't appear with his forces during the fight in the books. Only afterwards when Jon heads up to see Mance.
The Season 3 finale had Melisandre advising Stannis to march to the Wall, upon Davos' deciphering of Sam's letter. They couldn't get anywhere near marching there in between then and now due to having a small remaining army and bad finances (which were restored by the Iron Bank of Braavos when Stannis and Davos went there to plead their case).
Ygrittes death will haunt Jon Snow for the rest of the series
If only the fookin' legend was there.
He'd have fooked the giants till they were dead
He would've piss in any gutter and sow five of them....those fookin cowards.
He was there, smirking proudly when Jon spat on Magnar of thenn
@@PhoenixFlamesify just like a proud dad, ohhh this is awesome. Just kiddin' he's dead burned, not in this word anymore, kinda pisses me of his death was shit.
All the people whining about Grenn and Pyp are foolish. Building an emotional connection with viewers and characters to a storyline is not done for 'shock value'. This isn't The Walking Dead here, where they deliberately kill off important characters just to get you outraged. They were decently liked, and given truly epic deaths that will progress Jon's storyline. It's not even that far off canon, and more appropriate here than elsewhere. GRRM tends to write surprising deaths into his work to shake up his characters, and he did approve these deaths.
This episode was so amazing. The best sword battle in history of TV. Tension, cinematograpy, choreography and fu*kin mammoth! Props to HBO. And I like how they saved Mance Rayder for episode 10. This is gonna be best season finale and maybe the best episode of GoT.
Absolutely spectacular episode.
Props to Sir Allister's actor as well. He did a great job of bringing that character to life and making him real this episode
As an obsessive fan of the books, I fucking loved this episode. I don't understand the hate.
As an obsessive fan of the books, I fucking hated it.
-Killed Grenn and Pyp
-Half the episode was filled with soppy nonsense
-NO STANNIS
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- Didn't mind them dying. They had good death scenes, especially Grenn.
- I didn't find them soppy. The Sam/Gilly stuff wasn't my favorite, but you need quieter moments in episodes like these.
- There's no way they could have fit the whole confrontation at the wall into 51 minutes. I love Stannis, but he can wait.
Finally someone, who actually has some sense AND doesn't bitching about character's deaths, who will dodn't have real plot significancy later AND also sees that Stannis would have been too much in this episode and the showrunner are actually just faithfull to the bboks in this case!
Best episode ever, every so often an episode like this is just perfection.
"While neither of the characters died in the books, we felt like we had to have some casualties" Thats Game Of Thrones for ya right there.
Kinda unnecessary in my opinion, I feel like Gren should've at least survived against the giant. Pyp and Gren didn't need to be killed off.
Yeah I agree that it would of been way cooler if we could of actually seen Gren kill the giant and live, but I think Pyp's death was needed because it was a good emotional scene with him and Sam but the fact we didn't even get to see Gren die makes his death feel kinda lazy and unneeded
This episode reminded me so much the Helm's Deep battle!Especially that scene with the Giant who shot the arrow!
It really was the best episode of the whole series. It took me half of the episode to realize that I was watching nothing but the castle black. Ygritte shouldn't die that night, what an irony she was killed by the kid...
This was the best episode of the whole series, and by far the best hour on TV. I absolutely loved it.
WHY?! WHY did you choose to let Ygritte die? that was the biggest an emotional lovestory in all GoT episodes... there were emotional bonds between the charaters and the viewers.....bring her back to life.
why dont you bring back ned stark while youre at it ?
+George Staykov Don't forget Oberyn and maybe tywin. I miss him.
Honestly, this season was kick-ass and i have to say that this episode was by far my favorite episode this season! Definitely one of the best episodes in the entire show. The camera work, the CGI, the stunts, the weapons, the creativity of it all was mind-blowing! This is just one of the many reasons this show is the best show on TV. And i finally got to see more of Jon(He seriously needs more screen time)! Can't wait for season 5... GoT is da bae
"When you're nothing - you have no more reason to be afraid" So much wisdom in this episode.... In my mind, this quote applies to fear itself and how when embody something (with the mind) - fear can manifest itself in whatever it is that you think about.
Jon Snow does brief on love very well, though it seems as if he doesn't know what he talking about - two become one when you lye with a man or woman you love and anyones who experienced love knows this to be true. "And what did it get me, an arrow 4 inches from my heart" - Anyone whose loved and lost knows this to be true as well :P
Fantastic episode, everything I hope from the books was included, and I commend them for it, the barrels, Mag the Mighty, Mammoths and the Ballista. Seeing Hobb with his cleaver and that badass scythe were great additions too. Looking forward to the next episode!
But Grenn... But Pyp... I cried so freaking hard. Cried on Ygritte's death too,but I kinda saw that one coming.I LOVE YOU PYP AND GRENN, RIP
such a freaking good episode!
I wanted to see the Giant fight so bad. Also it felt kind of odd to me that Jon only checked on Grenn in the morning, I would have ran there right away after the battle was done to see what happened.
why am i watching this 4 year later
I was waiting for Stannis too but I still thought the episode was awesome, I cried when Ygritte died, even though I knew it was going to happen.
This was the BEST episode I have seen!!! Keep on doing things like this every once in a while. The giant with the bow was epic. Great CGI, the best i have seen in a show. Totally worth the hard work you guys put in!
Best episode of all episodes !
we all remember that cave
I just loved the AMAZING 360 shot. SUCH EPIC
This was an incredible achievement of an episode. Sometimes I forget that this is a tv-show and not a blockbuster film. Ygritte dying was heartbreaking, Grenn's speech in the tunnel was fantastic, Sam- and Jon's arcs was brought full-circle, the giants, the mammoth and the wall-spike was fucking awesome, I actually started caring for Alliser Thorne (whose fight with Tormund was sick, btw)... There was so much in this episode, I think it surpassed Blackwater. And I never thought I'd say that about any episode of TV ever.
It reminded me of Saving Pvt. Ryan when Sam and Pip were running around with the crossbow and bolts.
That shot is just beautiful.
Seriously, D&D should let Neil Marshall direct all episodes for the rest of the seasons.
When Sam promises Gilly to come back, I bet every non reader suddenly remembered with terror a promise Oberan made to Elaria. XD
Threefinger Hobb with his meat knife and Edd "Commander" Tollet were the real heroes.
It was indeed the most epic episode of the season!
rip Ygritte :(
But this is what makes this show/series better and different and more realistic than all others. Shows like the walking dead for example, HARDLY a main character gets killed off, unless it's a finale of some sort. This show isn't about keeping the main characters alive for the fans to love, it's about reality and that good doesn't always win
I haven't read the books so I'm one of the few people not bitching about Stannis. This was a badass episode one of the best of the season. Bravo!
"When things are at their worst, people are at their best."
I like how they showed Ser Alliser Thorne in the episode. He's maybe my favorite in this one despite of fact that he kinda annoyed me throughout the series and the books. This man is indeed a badass and not just talking about it. This says about the GoT so much, every character has depth, it's fantastic.
I loved Grenn, but with the lack of Donal Noye & Grenn being pretty much irrelevant afterwards, I liked that they let him go out with a bang despite how saddened I was by it.
Could've left us Pyp though..
Absolutely EPIC episode.!!! I cant wait for next one!
"We should have stayed in that cave." Cried. Fucking hell, GoT screws with my emotions.
"The battle brings out the best from the men of the Watch." Unless your name is Janos Slynt apparently lol!
Amazing! That whole episode was just so well done.
I so need to read the books. If the HBO series is as good as it is, I can only imagine how fantastic the books are....
grenn had one of the best deaths. that was so badass with the vows. i was sobbing before it even happened because they were walking into certain death but it was so fucking heroic and they got the job done. one of my favorite deaths right up there to Ned and Catelyn. ned telling yoren to save arya was such a nice touch and catelyn slitting that girls throat in an attempt to save robb was insane. like wtf cat that girl is about your daughters age. whether they failed or succeeded those were some pretty great deaths because of the things they do right before it.
One of my favourite episodes.
To the people that complain about Grenn and Pyp dying, I think it was great. Grenn took the role of Donal Noye, and Noye probably had the most badass death in the books, which was now given to Grenn. Pyp was a skinny steward and he was in the courtyard, the freaking heat of battle.
Grenn in a sense took the place of Donal Noye who goes in the tunnel and Pyp is that one guy(can't remember his name) who was shooting arrows next to Jon and was killed in the books.
as soon as sam said i promise im not going to die i actually thought shit his dead but not this time! I think R.R Martin got me too prepared to see someone die XD
I am actually amazed by the amount of Stannis fans out there,it will be awesome if he gets some cool lines and at least 10 minutes of screentime next episode.
D&D have, in my opinion, done far too many amazing things with this series to be called bad screenwriters. Killing off both Pyp and Grenn was a little harsh, but it definitely packed the emotional punches needed. Ygritte's death was too much anticipated to have the same shock factor, not to mention the spoilers they know non book readers are going to see that will take away from their original reactions. Also, to make the battle's sacrifices more believable and the large death scale, they had to kill characters known and loved by the audience, simple as that. Ygrittes death was extremely well done, the little smile Jon had as he saw her even though she was about to kill him ... that was heart wrenching.
Also they can't have actors for every character from the books, so they sometimes squeeze 2-3 characters into a single person. So disappointment will come for those left out... where was the one-armed smith? :(
And now they made it even by ruining every pathway to which got could go.
This comment aged like milk lol
The best episode thus far....
two characters earned my respect in this episode Sam who manned up and Aliser Thorne just showed he was a bad ass
That episode was the coolest of all !!!
SUCH a GREAT episode!.. so well done.. 1 of the best episodes ever
A huge episode, I've just watched it and damn if it didn't deliver, David & Dan were right this being bigger than Blackwater. You had Giants, Mammoths, Giant Anchors, Arrows galore, Hammers to the skull and battle raging everywhere. Neil Marshall is the master of grimy, gritty, gory battles.
My Favourite Episode So Far!
Maybe the best episode of the series. I can understand the book readers holding firm to something so close to their hearts but in context of the show, those two were extremely minor characters, and that scene with the giant was great. Amazing episode! #JonSnow4Prez