A New Challenger: Springfield Echelon Pistol Review

Поделиться
HTML-код
  • Опубликовано: 29 дек 2024

Комментарии • 1,4 тыс.

  • @ki-te9842
    @ki-te9842 Год назад +29

    I purchased this a few days ago and just reached 1000 rounds using various ammo types. No failures as expected. Sights are pretty good for stock. Large blackstrap is the way to go regardless of hand size. Just make sure whatever holster you buy, that it covers the mag release on both sides, as it is very easy to depress if it isn’t completely covered.

    • @thomaspalmer7900
      @thomaspalmer7900 5 месяцев назад +1

      Glad to know. I just put an Echelon on layaway. Will be picking up in a couple of weeks

    • @psibertiger
      @psibertiger 4 месяца назад

      You wont regret it Bub...​@thomaspalmer7900

  • @texasranger24
    @texasranger24 Год назад +259

    The double internal safety sounds good, and the grip angle and low bore axis seem to support a modern shooting grip well.
    Yes it's another polymer 9mm, but that competition is great for keeping prices competitive.

    • @AhHereWeGo
      @AhHereWeGo Год назад +3

      And i can’t imagine how low they’ll go. My basic p320F was $465. It’s the most basic full size, but it went into a flux raider, so i wasn’t looking for gucci

    • @GF-qb3uo
      @GF-qb3uo Год назад +1

      The power of capitalism in action!

    • @minigunuser25
      @minigunuser25 Год назад +9

      @@AhHereWeGo Yeah look at the P-10C, regularly able to find them on sale for $300 these days

    • @Eastwing74
      @Eastwing74 Год назад +1

      @@minigunuser25 I have the P 10 C SR. Suppressor ready model. Out of the box the trigger and the way it shoots is better than most higher end companies for the price. Way better than Glock gen 4. I paid 450 for mine new at a gun show

    • @senorFrog2032
      @senorFrog2032 Год назад +2

      Yet 650 for Glocks...

  • @christophera8030
    @christophera8030 Год назад +7

    Best feature: The lack of ridiculous marketing taglines molded into the frame. Thanks HS Produkt!

  • @RogerBarrera
    @RogerBarrera Год назад +7

    Hey oh! Good stuff brotha, good to see you at GunCon and thanks for the shoutout with our holsters, always appreciate it!

  • @PancakesRevenge
    @PancakesRevenge Год назад +5

    That mag dump at the 12:05 mark was ABSOLUTELY MAGNIFICENT and quite possibly the fastest I've ever seen out of a 21-round magazine. BRAVO!

  • @izzyg7059
    @izzyg7059 Год назад +81

    James, you’re my favorite GunTuber to watch by far. The thoroughness of your reviews with the added humor gets me every time. Keep up the good work man!!

  • @stevem4783
    @stevem4783 Год назад +37

    Things I learned today: James never moved past the LA Looks gel stage.

    • @dante69d
      @dante69d 6 месяцев назад

      Hyper color 😊😊😊😊

  • @S1deshowRob
    @S1deshowRob Год назад +51

    HS Produkt single handedly carrying Springfield armory

    • @Texze
      @Texze Год назад +2

      I think their 1911s stand on their own.

    • @S1deshowRob
      @S1deshowRob Год назад

      @@Texze what’s a 1 9 1 1?

    • @rhodycars6058
      @rhodycars6058 Месяц назад

      @@Texzenow that they aren’t completely made with Brazilian garbage castings

  • @giborchayil
    @giborchayil Год назад +4

    GLOCK FANBOY here, the trigger on the Echelon is really nice.

  • @milkman1026
    @milkman1026 Год назад +46

    As someone who likes my P320 for the modularity of the slides and frames, I think the COG was a smart move by Springfield. I think they recognized just how much people like customizing their guns, and this is a huge step in that direction.

    • @Micah6.8
      @Micah6.8 Год назад +2

      Terrific observation! Thanks!

    • @THE1DUB956GAMING
      @THE1DUB956GAMING Год назад +2

      When are the threaded barrel models coming out?

    • @milkman1026
      @milkman1026 Год назад +2

      @@THE1DUB956GAMING I myself have no idea. The 4.5” threaded barrel itself is available on Springfields website for $170 though.

  • @cbmathews0440
    @cbmathews0440 Год назад +2

    I got my XD 15 years ago as my first handgun at 21 and have loved it dearly

  • @mikeharvey9184
    @mikeharvey9184 Год назад +26

    As a P320 fanboy and a previous owner of a couple of the original XD40's, I can see a market for this for folks who don't like Glocks and don't want to pay the Sig premium for a modular handgun. If the optic system proves to be solid, it's going to do well.

    • @nookbandit
      @nookbandit Год назад +7

      I guess you never heard of the APX, just about half the money of this one

    • @mikeharvey9184
      @mikeharvey9184 Год назад +4

      @@nookbandit I'm aware of the APX (and that it's a good gun), but it's never really taken off.

    • @nookbandit
      @nookbandit Год назад +4

      @@mikeharvey9184 I bet at the potential $700-$750 msrp on this gun it will have the same fate as the APX which by the way is a great gun. Too bad Beretta hasn’t really taken advantage of the module aspect other than different colors or finger groove type stuff

    • @mikeharvey9184
      @mikeharvey9184 Год назад +1

      @@nookbandit Yeah, I never understood why Beretta didn't push the APX more or offer other grip modules variations... they're a top tier manufacturer with a trusted name. It should have been a better seller.

    • @9770G
      @9770G Год назад +3

      Springfield basically took a Glock and then tried to implement the P320 FCU idea into a Glock. That said I’m a Glock guy at heart, and I hate the idea of the FCU because how often are you really gonna change your handgun around. My guess is next to never.

  • @anthonyfanfan6930
    @anthonyfanfan6930 Год назад

    Thanks!

  • @j.rashid8257
    @j.rashid8257 Год назад +19

    My XD has been dead-nuts reliable for years. I think springfield is underrated and this gun looks great.

    • @SavageHenry0311
      @SavageHenry0311 Год назад +6

      And it says "Grip Zone" so you know what zone to put your hand on! Otherwise, how would you know where to grip it?
      Grip Zone!
      GRIP ZONE!

    • @aj897
      @aj897 Год назад +5

      @@SavageHenry0311 My XDM doesn't have any of those stupid "Grip Zone" markings

    • @timunderbakke8756
      @timunderbakke8756 Год назад +1

      I had the old original XD pre-M pre-grip zone. The trigger was lighter than Glock but had the reset all the way at the beginning of the press. It was definitely alright for the era but it’s been replaced my a ton of other designs since. I sold it a while ago for a PPQ and never looked back.

    • @Paul_Colton_
      @Paul_Colton_ Год назад +6

      @@SavageHenry0311 The worst comments I ever read about Springfields (other than Glock Bois bitching about it not being a Glock during their online circle jerks) are about grip zone. If that's the worst anyone can com up with then sign me up.

    • @DocMitchell69
      @DocMitchell69 Год назад

      @@Paul_Colton_ Grip zone, faulty grip safeties, soft mags, roll pins falling out…. There’s a lot going against XDs.

  • @michaelkinsella1807
    @michaelkinsella1807 Год назад +70

    I like the styling. I like the COG system. I’d consider it.

    • @whatsamcgee
      @whatsamcgee Год назад +1

      When you hold one in your hands you will laugh

    • @rickhunter6513
      @rickhunter6513 Год назад +3

      @@whatsamcgeewhy?

    • @KeterMalkuth
      @KeterMalkuth Год назад +1

      @@whatsamcgee Echoing the other guy, why?

  • @MrKeithcl
    @MrKeithcl Год назад +7

    There is a lot of small upgrades on this gun over a glock. The flared slide, the textured platform for the support hand thumb rest, the under the trigger bevel/recess for hte support hand, these are all like shadow systems upgrades that really contribute to the overall gun. I am excited about all that plus the co-witnessing optic platform sounds great. I just ordered a 4.5 inch today.

  • @SA-xf1eb
    @SA-xf1eb Год назад +25

    Looks good. The COG has potential.
    For now, I will stick with my CZ P10.

    • @stevenmills8269
      @stevenmills8269 Год назад +1

      I appreciate your comment regarding the P10. I have the P-10C, love the CZ platform, grip angles, etc., with many in my collection. With that, I'm also a strong proponent of Springfield wit this offering being very compelling. Have you shot the SA and compared the two side by side?

  • @geraldholt2755
    @geraldholt2755 Год назад +11

    Finally, advancements in optics mounting.

    • @stevem4783
      @stevem4783 Год назад +5

      It really is necessary. Trying to figure out what optics fit what cuts and if you need adapter plates or if your screws are going to fit is an exercise in frustration even for gun enthusiasts, I can only imagine trying to figure it all out if you're just getting in the game and don't know much.

    • @9770G
      @9770G Год назад

      Optics mounting is dog shit. If u want it done the right way, u get your slide sent out to be milled for a optics cut to your specific optic. The fitment is 1000% better and your optics will last longer.

  • @BIGBUBBA-B
    @BIGBUBBA-B Год назад +3

    The look of this pistol is great. What a great review from start to finish. Springfield Armory and SIG Sauer has been on point lately.

  • @theodoreheintz7891
    @theodoreheintz7891 Год назад +5

    Beretta apx also has a modular chassis by the way.

  • @mattfleming86
    @mattfleming86 Год назад +4

    I personally think HS Produkt knocked this one out of the park. The ergos are great, bore axis is ablut right, the mounting system is dialed in, the rear sight only needs a sharpie, the chassis system helps future proof it by providing complete grip frames should you want to change.. CHF barrel. It checks ALL my boxes. The ONLY negative here is that it has springsfields name on it.

  • @WestPat23
    @WestPat23 Год назад +166

    This looks like it could be a good option to the SIG products. I at least believe that Springfield tried to understand what current shooters want and deliver as much of that as possible in one package.

    • @budget.88
      @budget.88 Год назад +5

      ⌚ Europa the last battle

    • @cl4998
      @cl4998 Год назад

      Yuo

    • @trashcompactorYT
      @trashcompactorYT Год назад +27

      Springfield doesn't even understand gun rights, let alone what shooters want

    • @zendragon6214
      @zendragon6214 Год назад

      That's what I thought

    • @UrbanEnthusiast
      @UrbanEnthusiast Год назад +5

      @@trashcompactorYTthis is definitely what shooters have been asking for lol might even say this is the year of Springfield?

  • @EEDad401
    @EEDad401 Год назад +4

    8:17 Not surprised with the accuracy. The XDM series has been incredibly accurate. I'm guessing this is a descendant of the XDM family, even though they say it's brand new.
    Having said that, it would have been nice for us longtime XDM guys to be able to use our XDM magazines. Is that too much to ask? Glock and Canik are both doing this with great success.

    • @vladstrulev
      @vladstrulev Год назад +1

      Agree. I have ~25 magazines for xdm and xdm elite osp. I would buy this gun right away if magazines were compatible, but since they are not, I'll pass.

    • @pcpolice7937
      @pcpolice7937 Год назад

      If I couldn’t shoot better than that at 7 yards with a red dot, I would quit

    • @iamTkzs
      @iamTkzs 7 месяцев назад

      It's more of like a full grown hellcat with a couple improvements

  • @jouniquecroat5466
    @jouniquecroat5466 Год назад +6

    HS PRODUKT made this gun, Croatian factory, they made XDM, HELLCAT, HELLCAT PRO, HELLION and ECHELON

    • @encinobalboa
      @encinobalboa 2 месяца назад +1

      Also HS2000/XD9 which is still in production.

  • @corydailey1486
    @corydailey1486 Год назад +9

    Strike Industries has used the universal sight mounting system on there slides for years. I have had no issues with it.

  • @alphatumbaga356
    @alphatumbaga356 Год назад +18

    Man, this is amazing. Now I can complete my Hellcat collection with a big big brother, that can hopefully become a nice modular all purpose sidearm! TFB TV and James, you are the best! Entertaining and Informative, always keeping it fresh!

  • @hotdogs1026
    @hotdogs1026 Год назад

    Thanks, James. Your review sold me on it, and I picked one up today.

  • @funkla65
    @funkla65 Год назад +38

    Looks like a good amalgamation of the better features of other designs, along with a couple of its own tricks, like the optics mounting and the gripping wings in front of the ejection port.
    They did miss the beefy frame rails of the APX chassis, but a bunch of other designs are getting by with the dinky style.
    Definitely worth a look.

    • @nmbr2544
      @nmbr2544 Год назад

      Shadow systems was first to the "no optics plate game"

    • @funkla65
      @funkla65 Год назад +2

      @@nmbr2544 Shadow Systems doesn't have the posts. I prefer locating the optic via the posts, as that is how the optic was engineered, rather than using the outside surface of the optic.

    • @outoforder6600
      @outoforder6600 Год назад

      ​@@funkla65doesn't mean they didn't do it? I've put a lot of rounds through 3 different shadows, with optics, zero issue

  • @iamTkzs
    @iamTkzs 7 месяцев назад

    Ive own and conceal carried the hellcat for 2 years at this point. The moment i held the echelon, i had to have it. It felt so good and natural.
    Neither have had any failures with 1000s of rounds combined between the two

  • @last_raven
    @last_raven Год назад +4

    Croats keeping Springfield alive

  • @alejandrovargas7592
    @alejandrovargas7592 Год назад +23

    Massive full court press by Springfield with this gun !! This thing is getting reviewed by everyone possible !! It does look like finally Springfield has made a really great gun !

    • @boomee78
      @boomee78 Год назад +8

      Wait till actuall people get the gun. All reviewrs got it early and the embargo lifted springfield does this with every big release😊

    • @alejandrovargas7592
      @alejandrovargas7592 Год назад +3

      @@boomee78 You absolutely have a valid point. I'm just surprised at all the terrific changes this has. Of course, if it doesn't have extremely reliable performance, I won't be getting it. I'm not a competitive shooter, and I don't buy pistols for "range toys" or to have the "Latest and greatest" hot new thing.

    • @jdontcare8520
      @jdontcare8520 Год назад +5

      Have you never shot an XDM ELITE? They're pretty great guns.

    • @03Grunt-arrino
      @03Grunt-arrino Год назад +8

      Except it isn’t made by Springfield haha. Manufactured in Croatia by HS Products

    • @alejandrovargas7592
      @alejandrovargas7592 Год назад

      @@03Grunt-arrino I'm fully aware of that. Although this is a way more of sn innovative design than typical previous HS guns from Springfield. And I do try to buy only American made things whenever possible, with rare exceptions. My Glock 19 was made in Atlanta Georgia. I've got a few other Smith and Wessons. The new Walther PDP, and possibly this, I might make an exception for.

  • @03Grunt-arrino
    @03Grunt-arrino Год назад +528

    It’s funny; Springfield Armory has never designed a single gun. They’re basically Umarex, but in adult calibers.

    • @R.Tafolla
      @R.Tafolla Год назад +74

      Theyre the opposite of Kel Tek

    • @R.Tafolla
      @R.Tafolla Год назад +33

      @@JuggoJuggo Bula does it better, to forged military spec. Springfield makes cast repros.

    • @trashcompactorYT
      @trashcompactorYT Год назад +50

      @@JuggoJuggo Springfield didn't design it. John Garand did. He worked for them at the time, but that's about all the involvement they had aside from producing them

    • @Ihasanart
      @Ihasanart Год назад +129

      @@JuggoJuggo There is literally no connection to the US Springfield Armory and the company that goes by that name today, they literally just started a company and named themselves that after Springfield Armory was long gone.

    • @badkarma11b
      @badkarma11b Год назад +5

      What about the Springfield Hellion?

  • @rickhunter6513
    @rickhunter6513 Год назад +18

    Good job, Springfield Armory. Looks like they put a lot of time and research into this pistol. I hope it succeeds

    • @twatts45
      @twatts45 Год назад +8

      Is that a joke? They did literally nothing, but import another gun from HS Product.

    • @TheJhonny5555
      @TheJhonny5555 Год назад +2

      With all due respect, you need to do some research. If you do, you will find out that this pistol was introduced to Croatian public 2 years ago. And its fully built and designed in HS Produkt in Karlovac, Croatia.

    • @bensahar215
      @bensahar215 Год назад

      They put exactly 0 time and anything else it research...

  • @timunderbakke8756
    @timunderbakke8756 Год назад +4

    I can confirm holster compatibility is huge, which I suspect is a big reason the Masada and the APX A1 haven’t done better.
    I’m not really that excited for this option. The new optic idea is interesting if it works. TGC and TFB both had that mag issue so I’m highly suspect that could be their weakness. I don’t really need another duty size 9mm so I doubt I’ll ever change my ways barring some major advancements in what we send down range like plasma or something other than lead projectiles with gunpowder

  • @wesleyrice2138
    @wesleyrice2138 Год назад

    Thank you for the reminder about supporting tfb. it was well integrated into the video

  • @blackhillsrider2626
    @blackhillsrider2626 Год назад +14

    I think the modularity makes this a gun worthy of serious consideration. The price is not crazy high and the lack of needing a baseplate for spefic optics makes me want to investigate further. Another great and useful review. Thanks.

    • @blackhillsrider2626
      @blackhillsrider2626 Год назад +4

      Update! I purchased one and it is an outstanding firearm. The fit for me is perfect. Recoil is not overly strong, and it runs as smooth as silk! The trigger pull is fairly lite and reset is excellent. I give it an A+. I really am very happy with the purchase. Try one. You just may feel the same, and no, I did not get it for free!😄

  • @aaronshirk746
    @aaronshirk746 Год назад +1

    I have not put my hands on the Echelon, but the milled slide and the 30 optic options without needing a plate is my favorite thing about this firearm.

  • @Blue-cq2hl
    @Blue-cq2hl Год назад +8

    I'm gonna be waiting for comparisons with the 320 on this one. Looks promising.

  • @THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY
    @THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY Год назад +1

    I will get one in the FALL when gun shops have them in stock but I really should just get the 45 or 10MM one next summer

  • @1804Defender
    @1804Defender Год назад +32

    Icarus Precision is gonna jump all over this modular FCU 🔥🔥 Fantastic job by Springfield 👍🏾👍🏾

    • @Kkoupe
      @Kkoupe Год назад +4

      Icarus is the wayyyy love my ace evo xl

    • @Bischlarbo69
      @Bischlarbo69 10 месяцев назад

      I have dual icarus p365's and they make me wet every time i see them

  • @herknorth8691
    @herknorth8691 Год назад +1

    I always pictured James's suits having short shorts instead of trousers. A sorta Angus Young look, but more Florida-y.

  • @raykettel1837
    @raykettel1837 Год назад +40

    The Walter PDP and Canik Rival have great triggers. I am not sure I can give up a great trigger for a just good trigger with universal plate system with good open sight and chassis system from Croatia.
    Update: Before I get 20 more replies I know Canik design is based off a Walter design. I knew that last year before I bought my Rival. My point is while I like the some features of the Echelon that trigger still better be very good. One reviewer pointed out that it has the Glock grip angle. That will turn off those that do not like the Glock grip angle.

    • @WaterZer0
      @WaterZer0 Год назад +2

      Give it a bit, and I'm sure Canik will have an FCU gun of their own.

    • @WhiteDragonSecurity
      @WhiteDragonSecurity Год назад +5

      A modular CANIK trigger pack... 🤤🤤🤤
      ⚡"Release the PRINTER!!!" ⚡

    • @gordo3697
      @gordo3697 Год назад

      ​​@@WaterZer0t would be a thousand times better then this piece of garbage

    • @9unslin9er
      @9unslin9er Год назад +2

      Caniks ARE Walthers.
      I tried my buddy's Hellcat and it had one of the worst triggers ever. If the Echelon is anything like that, this is a HARD pass. My Glock triggers are like glass after 1 range trip and 100 dry fires.

    • @e115x525
      @e115x525 Год назад +12

      ​@@9unslin9ercap. They making glass out of hot dog paste now? Unless you have a 1500$ gucci glock i refuse to believe its like glass

  • @cantstartafire
    @cantstartafire Год назад

    Appreciate the no BS review. Great channel, strong work. BZ

  • @davidt5085
    @davidt5085 Год назад +18

    Time will tell on reliability but so many good options out there today. I think the biggest barrier to entry for most (well I’ll speak for myself) is already having the gear and mags for a particular model. This or the Beretta APX A1 would probably be my next pistol if not already being so invested in Glock. But either of those would be a great first pistol for a newer shooter or some not so invested in another platform.

    • @hkfifty871
      @hkfifty871 Год назад +5

      That’s largely my reaction as well. I like the idea of a chassis system, and the universal mounting is appealing (assuming it works as intended), so I think everything here is pretty good. It’s just that I personally am not entirely sold on the idea of the added cost of additional gear, mags, etc, and parts and such being new and proprietary.
      Honestly, I myself am not a major fan of stock Glocks, but there’s SO MUCH aftermarket support for them, and that I DO like having.

    • @joey5144
      @joey5144 Год назад +1

      I have the original apx and a glock 19 and my brother has the a1 and they are amazing guns! Think I am more accurate with them. Holsters are an issue for the a1 but hopefully more company's will start to produce them. It was the same with the old apx for the first few years.

  • @stevewhisperer6609
    @stevewhisperer6609 Год назад +1

    Awesome video!
    Concerning holes in the head, I said the same thing about the SIG 365 over five years ago.
    I've been carrying one ever since I got hands on it. 😁

  • @aleffel9668
    @aleffel9668 Год назад +3

    I would’ve made this gun with a 4inch barrel for the full size. That way all they would need is to make a 15 round “compact” grip module and 15 round magazines and you’d be able to swap between full size and compact. Most duty ammo is optimized for a 4” barrel anyways. This handgun looks like a great contender in this genre.

    • @rik4369
      @rik4369 Год назад

      I like that concept too. It is a nice product. I just have enough 9mm Striker types lol. Couple Caniks. I did pickup a XDM Elite Compact Osp in .45 acp. First Springfield I have owned since the HS 2000.
      Those sights had me concerned until I shot it. They actually work well. Infact, I will proberly leave my XDM without Red Dot.
      This pistol is nice. Springfield may have hit a home run with this one.

  • @Nobody000-6
    @Nobody000-6 Год назад +1

    Glocks Blue Label Program keeps me coming back though. Plus they're the OG's of the polymer striker fired game.

  • @levirobin934
    @levirobin934 Год назад +4

    Since hs produkt is involved, I think it will be super reliable. If it is reliable and Springfield follows through with the modularity, it will definitely be worth considering along side the 320. I'll be getting one either way. I love the hellcat grip texture so I already know I'll like the comfort more than the 320

    • @c.h.u.d
      @c.h.u.d Год назад

      HS PRODUKT builds all the xd pistols they always have been involved xd, xdm, XDS ,hellcat, xdm elite ,this.all HS

    • @tonyromano6220
      @tonyromano6220 Год назад

      I like their guns a lot.

  • @ravendon
    @ravendon Год назад +1

    It has some nice features. No need to pull the trigger for takedown. Chassis system. 20 round magazines. Multiple optics choices without a plate. Glock style safety. Picatinny rail. Co-witness sights. Real Ambidextrous magazine release, instead of an Ambi-Friendly switchable release. Squared off trigger guard. Great serrations on the slide and "ears" for better grip when racking the slide. Great trigger.
    The only negative might be the lack of choices in frame sizes at product launch. Probably should have gotten those ready for the launch.

  • @bakedandsteaked
    @bakedandsteaked Год назад +363

    Where my night birds at

  • @ad41340
    @ad41340 Год назад

    Ok I have watched 3 other videos and this is the best one yet.

  • @thenegociater3387
    @thenegociater3387 Год назад +4

    It's perfect in its simplicity, but complex in its subtlety.

  • @greekgolfercampbell9973
    @greekgolfercampbell9973 Год назад +1

    I have a Springfield XD Sub-compact and it's more accurate than my Shield. But my Shield fits my small female hand better...lol..I was at the store buying ammo today, and a customer was asking about this gun. I'd love to test this gun...Great video

  • @firestorm8471
    @firestorm8471 Год назад +7

    I still have my Glock 19 gen 2. I have really found nothing that will do what I need any better in 9mm. That said, Up until recently , I carried a 1911A1 .45 acp. But with the changes I have made in my 58 year old life, I now simply carry a Snub nose .38 SPL or a Beretta 70s. My 1911s are still close by if needed though. 👍

  • @larryschermerhorn622
    @larryschermerhorn622 Месяц назад

    Got mine today! Love the xdm so natural choice to step up

  • @ballerrdj
    @ballerrdj Год назад +7

    I have high hopes. I hope since it’s a COG fire group system I hope it can get added to the CA Roster 😬 like the CA 320

    • @JJW3
      @JJW3 Год назад

      The Sig P320-M18 just got added to the CA roster.

  • @MrApiiinr
    @MrApiiinr Год назад +1

    I’m just glad to see some competition for Sig’s P320 modular concept.

  • @Croak1
    @Croak1 Год назад +20

    The peg-insert mounting platform is pretty much what Strike Industries have been using on their optic-cut slides for awhile now.

  • @WestPat23
    @WestPat23 Год назад

    Bringing back the great memories. Currently enjoying those summer showers everyday at about 4pm!

  • @kalefalk5917
    @kalefalk5917 Год назад +11

    Seems the p320 has got some MASSIVE competition.

  • @calebdavis21
    @calebdavis21 9 месяцев назад

    The. Best. Channel. Period

  • @richard8808
    @richard8808 Год назад +3

    Grip modularity will be a big deal to me when it allows significant changes to grip angle. I would love to see that.

  • @clerks18
    @clerks18 Год назад

    I will fully admit, I come here for the obscure movie and pop culture references while simultaneously loving the snarky product roasting on certain items. We must save James Reeves at all costs. Once again, fantastic take on this.

  • @Osprey1994
    @Osprey1994 Год назад +6

    The fact it fits a 6000 series Safariland holster already is big in my book.
    I know Springfield made mistakes in the past, but I really feel like they are one of the companies that is trying to listen. This pistol appears like they took their time and pieced together something that will probably do well.
    Personally I would have loved to see the Beretta APX gain traction, but it seems that even the redesign is struggling to gain enough of a following to get people interested in designing grip modules.

    • @outoforder6600
      @outoforder6600 Год назад

      Yeaaa.. the one downside to the apx is the aftermarket, which is a huge shame. That and they completely missed the mark either the carry versions

    • @iamTkzs
      @iamTkzs 7 месяцев назад

      I duty carry my echelon in a 6360rds

  • @shutyalaps
    @shutyalaps Год назад +1

    This pistol looks to be very thought-out and tested and re-tested prior to release. I’m impressed. May get it and put the DR920 to the side.

  • @Rushil69420
    @Rushil69420 Год назад +4

    I’m just gonna do a version of that bit from borat at gun stores from now on.
    just point at every single handgun and go “what kind of glock is this”

  • @11BeezDD214
    @11BeezDD214 Год назад +1

    I'm a Springfield fanboy and I bought an xd week one of their launch because I wanted it over the glock. Was not a fan of the xdm or xds models but jumped on a hellcat pro. I've been moving away from polymer guns but if it has the fit and feel of a "larger" hellcat pro I might be tempted to pick one up. But none compare to my TRP Operator... that's still my favorite Springfield in my collection.

  • @RedEyePergo
    @RedEyePergo Год назад +10

    Not a springfield fan but this is actually pretty cool looking. The optic mounting system is very similar to Shadow systems I think thats gonna be the new trend and eliminate plates. Still gonna stick to my Caniks though

    • @EthanVagnier
      @EthanVagnier Год назад

      Shadow system optic cut was king before this. We will see if it dethrones the shadow systems cut.

    • @KeterMalkuth
      @KeterMalkuth Год назад

      I've got a Shadow Systems MR920. The only "Complaint" I have with it is that it doesn't have a chassis, so I'm stuck with the grip length it came with. Nothing wrong with that, but definitely is a bit of a gripe in the world of chassis pistols. This seems like it ticks all the boxes. Glock bore axis. Shadow systems cut. Sig chassis system. Disassembly without a trigger pull. If it proves reliable, and the aftermarket adequately supports the design, then I can see myself picking up the Echelon and moving to it as my main handgun.

  • @steventurner9098
    @steventurner9098 Год назад

    Yes those 3:00 afternoon thunderstorms that last 15 mins can really soak you. I really enjoy the steam coming off the pavement afterwards.

  • @vensheaalara
    @vensheaalara Год назад +3

    Funny how people are gonna trash on Springfield in the comments and say other guns are better. Meanwhile their favorite companies are literally using their customers as their Quality Control and having massive lawsuits.
    You don't want it don't buy it.

  • @tibi1441
    @tibi1441 Год назад

    I like it, i think Springfield nailed it. Its what most shooters want these days. And im a Sig guy personally, but ive shot and been around a few Springfields and they make a good product. If i was shopping for a new piece id get it.

  • @joewalker6931
    @joewalker6931 Год назад +5

    Looks pretty good. I will wait for the new CZ to see what they are coming out with.

    • @Dadalorian_fitness
      @Dadalorian_fitness Год назад

      Where did you see that they’re releasing something new? Share link please

    • @joewalker6931
      @joewalker6931 Год назад

      TFB TV James Reeves. I also saw on Facebook that him and Eric G have a special on Julie 18th. Hopefully that’s when the announce it.

    • @joewalker6931
      @joewalker6931 Год назад

      TFB TV James Reeves. I also saw on Facebook that him and Eric G have a special on Julie 18th. Hopefully that’s when the announce it.

  • @nathanbrown6022
    @nathanbrown6022 Год назад

    Great video
    Was great to meet you this past weekend at the Air Show

  • @SniperKing029
    @SniperKing029 Год назад +4

    Springfield Armory is slowly making me love them. They just work and perform above their price

    • @invntiv
      @invntiv Год назад +1

      Yup. That’s what converted me too, my xDM is a remarkable piece, very enjoyable and dependable

    • @jaylc
      @jaylc Год назад +1

      Wish more people realized this. I've owned dozens and never had a bad egg.

    • @c.h.u.d
      @c.h.u.d Год назад

      Yep there's maaaany Glock converts to Springfield/ HS PRODUKT

    • @invntiv
      @invntiv Год назад +1

      @@jaylc i hope no one realizes it. I dont want to pay sig sauer prices lmao

    • @jaylc
      @jaylc Год назад

      @@invntiv amen to that.

  • @mdmonroe82
    @mdmonroe82 Год назад +1

    How do you not like the sights? I haven't found another system that is easier to use.
    I was shocked the first time is saw them.
    Best iron sights on the market.

  • @TheFivepoint1994
    @TheFivepoint1994 Год назад +12

    G17 lives in my SHTF holster but my everyday carry is a Hellcat Pro. My woods carry is an XDM 10mm. This pistol is intriguing. I might becoming a Springfield fanboy.

    • @tomcollins2679
      @tomcollins2679 Год назад +2

      My friend… you are the Springfield fanboy. In all seriousness though, how do you like that xdm 10mm?

    • @elsenorloco84
      @elsenorloco84 Год назад

      Why Are You Gay

    • @hankwilliams-hx9ww
      @hankwilliams-hx9ww Год назад +2

      Bro nobody asked you anything lol

    • @garrettzkool63
      @garrettzkool63 Год назад +1

      @@hankwilliams-hx9ww no one asked you anything either lmao

    • @WallyMerc06
      @WallyMerc06 Год назад

      how cool would it be if they offered this in 9mm AND 10mm

  • @PopsDavis.the.disciple
    @PopsDavis.the.disciple 6 месяцев назад

    Great video. Been contemplating getting one.

  • @gadgetstalker2
    @gadgetstalker2 Год назад +18

    This gun looks promising. I'm eager to see how it performs with other reviewers and to the general public in the first wave of release.

  • @scottbryant9425
    @scottbryant9425 Год назад +1

    First impression is that they spent a lot of time on design and gave this gun everything the typical buyer would want to see. Ergos look great, optics platform is very cool, if it functions, thumb ledges on both sides, I like the lever take down, the texture looks like it's goldilocks for "most", the slide milling is awesome, etc. A blend of design ques from quite a few different manufacturers all wrapped up in a nice package.
    Interested to see what the compact version will look like, but if you're a competition shooter, that model looks pretty sweet. OPTIONS ARE AWESOME.

    • @scottbryant9425
      @scottbryant9425 Год назад

      @@GeauxRussGeaux I don't see why being Croatian is bad. Austrian, Turkish, German, Czech, lots of great firearms are produced around the globe. I have CZs, HKs, and an Arex, and they are all excellent quality firearms. So I'm not sure what the origin has to do with it. As for the design, it looks well thought-out.

    • @scottbryant9425
      @scottbryant9425 Год назад

      @@GeauxRussGeaux like say the Halosun vs RMR ? Lol
      Be safe man, it's all good. I completely get where you're coming from.

    • @raylandraybels9462
      @raylandraybels9462 Год назад

      @@GeauxRussGeaux your opinion is your opinion. It doesn't mean it's a good one.

  • @WyFoster
    @WyFoster Год назад +7

    So, essentially it's just a Croatian P320.
    The take down pin looks identical.

    • @brassmule
      @brassmule Год назад +1

      I wonder if it'll be drop safe or have all the sear engagement (or sudden lack thereof) problems the p320 had.

  • @sinistar426
    @sinistar426 Год назад +1

    Ill wait and see if Springfield or another company ACTUALLY make different sized grip modules for this. In 2018, i bought the original Masada, which was "modular", and here we are in 2023, IWI nor anyone else has made a SINGLE different sized grip module for that "modular" pistol.

  • @Jason_The_Man
    @Jason_The_Man Год назад +8

    Very interesting! I’ve always felt like Springfield never got the love it deserved over the XD line.

    • @MrRyryrose
      @MrRyryrose Год назад +1

      They got exactly what they deserved

    • @andrewsanford2020
      @andrewsanford2020 Год назад

      The XD is trash.

    • @andrewbalsman
      @andrewbalsman Год назад

      The XD line deserves no love. It is possibly the worst modern production pistol.

    • @Jason_The_Man
      @Jason_The_Man Год назад +2

      @@andrewbalsman I disagree. I own an early XD 5” in .40 S&W and I love it. Very reliable and very accurate.

    • @Jason_The_Man
      @Jason_The_Man Год назад +1

      @@andrewbalsman I’ve shot mine in USPSA and shot some of my best scores. Respectfully I think you are wrong

  • @mavricxx
    @mavricxx Год назад +2

    Definitely considering this gun as I've been wanting a P320 but vecause of the accidents I don't trust them. The fact this one has all the features I like about the Sig that made it where you can change the body of the gun but use the trigger mechanism I love that! Been waiting for one like the P320, just not Sig

  • @bschray97
    @bschray97 Год назад +4

    This firearm, to me anyway, looks like a Glock 19 and a P320 were left alone in the safe together for to long and when it was opened, this was sitting between them.

  • @nfareview
    @nfareview Год назад

    Still working on filming mine. Impressed so far but haven't shot it yet! We will see!

  • @romans6two338
    @romans6two338 Год назад +3

    I noticed the comment no issues from SA Hellcat. I have one and had about 1,500 rounds no issues. Then started having issues, sent it to IL for them to fix it. When it came back I had 4 slide locked back with cartridges in magazine and 1 went into battery and crushed bullet. 5 FTF out of 159 shots, 31.4,% failure rate. SA currently has it and I think they screwed me on this, it doesn't run well for a SD pistol. I would recommend wait several years on this new one.

    • @Edgic01
      @Edgic01 Год назад +1

      Facts 🙌🏽 I wouldn't trust my life with a Springfield firearm 💀

  • @dcuellarjr
    @dcuellarjr Год назад +1

    Looks good, i like that you don’t need plates but I do wish they had gone with a 1911 grip angle and sig 320 magazine compatibility.

  • @frankensteincreations4740
    @frankensteincreations4740 Год назад +2

    Awesome, downright blunt honest review as always! Best gun reviewer on RUclips.
    I don’t give two f*cks who you are, or what name is on your pocket p*ssy.
    Springfield Armory makes a Rolls Royce of a pistol.
    My antique XD Mod 2, 4” is the best handling, best shooting and most accurate polymer pistol I’ve ever shot. With an awesome trigger straight out of the box. I don’t give two sh*ts who makes it, or what country it comes from. A good product is a good product regardless… 👍🤘👏

  • @edallen5711
    @edallen5711 Год назад +5

    I have a tendency to like Springfield products. My first handgun was an XD 9mm. I tried Glock, but I didn't like the pistol grip angle. I have the Hellcat and Hellcat Pro, and both are excellent guns. I really enjoy shooting them. I will have to save a few dollars and get the Eschelon. It will pair well with my Ronin, Emissary, and MC Operator.

    • @stevem4783
      @stevem4783 Год назад +3

      I like their 1911s and I have an M1A.
      Put down the pitchforks, I'm not a fudd, I swear.

    • @austindiaz6767
      @austindiaz6767 Год назад

      ​@@stevem4783 hey fudd is a 12 gauge the best home defense

    • @stevem4783
      @stevem4783 Год назад

      @@austindiaz6767 This is a trap

    • @austindiaz6767
      @austindiaz6767 Год назад

      @@stevem4783 no its not I swear

    • @9770G
      @9770G Год назад +1

      Well if I don’t like Glocks why buy this then? This is clearly another Glock clone but with Sigs garbage FCU concept inside.

  • @Sigrafix
    @Sigrafix Год назад

    James, I think that intro sums this gun up perfectly.. Lol.
    You know which new gun I'm actually excited for? Surprisingly, it's a Taurus.. The TH45 has my attention.. I think I need one of those.

  • @jordanhansen1444
    @jordanhansen1444 Год назад +1

    So this is why I was able to pick up an XDM Elite Precision for $390 last week.

  • @mofoq
    @mofoq Год назад +5

    the modular aspect is nice and would love to see more products with it
    the major downside is proprietary mags 🙄

    • @rodiculous9464
      @rodiculous9464 Год назад +1

      In theory if they sell the cog separately you can just buy the cog and maybe someone will make an aftermarket grip for it that takes glock mags

    • @stoptrackingourdata8158
      @stoptrackingourdata8158 Год назад +2

      I wouldn't call it a major downside considering every large manufacturer uses proprietary mags unless their business is making clones of another popular platform; I'd just call it pretty standard.

  • @danieldotter6077
    @danieldotter6077 Год назад

    I used to hate on Springfield big time with their XD series and lack of innovation, but I have to give it to them with the Hellcat and now the Echelon. Never thought I'd be recommending Springfield products to my peers, yet here I am.

  • @g0dsgreen
    @g0dsgreen Год назад +8

    If it's tough enough, plateless optics mounting is very enticing.

    • @9770G
      @9770G Год назад

      Sending your slide out to be milled for your specific optic is 1000x better than any optics mounting product/solution.

  • @dependablekit5500
    @dependablekit5500 Год назад

    You are so right I don't like Glocks in fact I sold all 4 that I bought and ended right back with the Sig p320 X Compact that is a very good looking firearm I still have a hangup giving Springfield any money I just may end up trying one out great video as always!!!

  • @craigjohnson775
    @craigjohnson775 Год назад +6

    Fuck yeah, I get to wait for this to make it on the CA handgun roster, likely in single shot so I can pay extra then more for an fame that will take a CA complaint mag.
    Just kidding James,
    Pls keep up the best gun content ever!

  • @JP-wl5vj
    @JP-wl5vj Год назад

    Just bought a Hellcat Pro ..... mostly b/c the fitment to my hand is perfecto (over the Sig Macro). This is the daddy pistol so looking forward to fondling and shooting one.

  • @OhioGentlemenArms
    @OhioGentlemenArms Год назад +2

    The Hellcat has proved to be a great pistol for my wife.

  • @cbrookb
    @cbrookb Год назад

    First time watching you, as I'm a creature of habit and stick to my circle. Great review. Subscribed. Thanks.

  • @kaerlupus
    @kaerlupus Год назад +8

    If all this turns out to be true and works practically as well as theoretically, here we have the best glock ever!
    I love how they put all nice features from other guns in this one, e.g. HK slide wings, p320 modularity, pdp ergos, glock ugliness…