I want to try this one too. I started with Hitmonlee since it wouldn't really get any offensive benefit from higher special, only better defense against Psychic and other special modes.
Indeed. I think JRose11 once said Focus Energy is worse than doing nothing, little did he know of being able to divide the high crit ratio moves by 4 to be able to take advantage of badge boosts for those moves. 😊😊😊
Yeah, I used this back in my Scyther full game solo run to make it possible to use Slash with Swords Dance and thus beat the game without needing TMs. It is worse than nothing except in special cases, where suddenly it is completely OP.
not that focus energy is a good move in the first place. even if it didnt nerf crit rate. I mean in general it might be good if u do like false swipe and focus energy or when doing npc battles. outside of it. its not even worth using.
Special stat was wild back in Gen 1. I have to wonder if they did it that way because they were so tight on space and couldn't afford an extra stat for each Pokémon. It definitely made a difference in this run, there were attacks survived that couldn't be otherwise, and allowed you to avoid breaking down and using Double Team or Mimic. Hitmonlee just looks so incredibly weird to me. Still one of the weirdest Pokémon designs all the way to the current day. What even is it supposed to be?
Great video! I have watched a similar tuber (jrose) from time to time, but stumbling into this video was a complete accident- these "what if" challenges are so fun! You got my Sub :D
That's awesome. Jrose is the GOAT and was a big part of me getting started on RUclips. I watched him religiously but back during COVID he had a stretch where he wasn't uploading as much and I couldn't take it so I started my own channel. Glad to add a little something to the niche!
I’d honestly love to see it, I had an idea of a modern remake where hoenn an alolan pkmn had regional variants in kanto. For instance skitty an delcatty for example have kantonian form that maybe had the same special atk & def stat as a call back to the early games.
@@RBYPokemonChallenges I've been working on a romhack that introduces traceback level-up lists and I've been considering if there should be an option to play with gen 2 special stats as well
Hitmonlee's run was definitely interesting. The special stat didn't made the difference in the early game as much as in the later parts of the game, especially,whenever you could avoid using broken tms .😮 Now I kind of wonder how Machamp would do if karate chop was a fighting move in gen 1 and if it had the gen 2 special defense stat too.🤔
That could be very interesting to try. I did the 9k subs video where we gave it Meditate as a Gen 2 egg move and it beat the game on Minimum Battles, but maybe it doesn't even need that with higher special and STAB Karate Chop.
@@RBYPokemonChallenges Machamp could have been the best fighting pokemon in gen 1 if it had a fighting move,at least in competitive. Machamp is better off without a set up move , because karate chop's high critical hit rate will likely bypass the given boosts anyways.🤔
why not remove the randomness of the game, by instead of a timer you count how many space you must move and how many moves you use in any battles you must encounter, also resets could be used as more of a tie-breaker for anything that scores the same.
hitmonchan is wayyyy worse than hitmonlee in gen 1 (not that i dont agree that lee got done dirty) it even got a lower base stat total, worse moves, no meditate and no good fighting move
It doesn't have a lower base stat total than Hitmonlee. They're both at either 345 or 380 (depending on how you calculate the Special Stat). Hitmonchan does however have worst stat distribution, since compared to Hitmonlee it subtracts 15 in attack and 11 in speed and puts it all in defense (which is a bad stat to invest in when you're still so frail and your strongest STAB move is an 80 BP recoil move with bad accuracy).
focus Energy in gen 1 is bugged right? its meant to bost Your crit rate but it nukes it into the floor. so why not use that bug? if You got a pokemon with high crit but crits ignore the badge bost glich use focus energy to nuke Your crit hit rate so You can amost always get a badge boosted attack
It's a bit different for something like Scyther using Slash, where it has a guaranteed Crit bypassing all stat boosts, so Focus Energy is a relaly good strategy there. Here, we're not critting THAT much, just a couple of annoying losses to poorly times crits.
RBY: We're not going to learn focus energy because it's bugged and lowers crit-hit rate Also RBY: We don't want crits with focus energy we'd not have to worry about crits as much and it'd probably be more consistent?
I understand minimum battles conceptually as a standard to play by, but do you feel the backtrack is faster than just adding the battle while you're already on nugget bridge/bills house?
@@RBYPokemonChallenges Gotcha. That was my question, whether doubling back was faster or it was worth taking the battle but getting the move set option earlier offsetting that in total time. Probably depends on the trainer. If you had to fight one Pidgey it may be worth it versus 6 Kadabra.
I agree. Body Slam was locked behind an optional trainer so unobtainable on minimum battles, which adds a bit more challenge, but getting Body Slam makes this Pokemon MUCH better
Honestly, could probably have saved yourself some resets and runtime by either not using Meditate or using it less for a lot of these fights, because you were taking too much damage on setup and the ranges didn't improve much of the time.
I can agree with that. This was a first run and not in any way pre-routed or optimized, but I found in a lot of fights as well that I was overdoing it on setups. The only case where I was occasionally under-buffing were some of the late game fights where one more badge boost would let me outspeed a key threat (Blaine's Arcanine, Rival's Kadabra, Agatha's final Gengar, Lance's Aerodactyl), so I think with proper mapping the Meditates could have been optimized in a lot of spots
4 Badges normally increase stats by 12.5%: Boulder Badge - +12.5% Attack Thunder Badge - +12.5% Defense (Surge incorrectly says it increases Speed because he's just a trashman afterall) Soul Badge - +12.5% Speed Volcano Badge - +12.5% Special This 12.5% increase is intended and is not a glitch. When is battle, the game engine factors in the boost when a stat is change. For example, if the opponent uses Leer on you, it lowers your Defense basic stat and then applies the 12.5% increase to it if you have the Thunder Badge. The problem is that the game adds on all of the badge boosts at this step instead of just applying the boost to the altered stat. So when you have the Boulder Badge and Thunder Badge, a Leer lowers your defense, the game correctly re-applies the 12.5% boost to your defense at the end of the calculation, but it also mistakenly applies a 12.5% boost to your attack stat due to the Boulder Badge. This effect can technically be stacked infinitely until the stat reaches 999. So if you go watch some of my older videos, you'll see situations, especially in rEd/Blue against the Champion's Rhydon, where I let him use Tail Whip and Leer on me over and over until my Attack and Special and Speed hit 999 and enable me to OHKO all of his remaining Pokemon.
Yeah, I used the Focus Energy strat back in my Scyther run. The difference is Scyther has a guaranteed crit with Slash making the Focus Energy strat really good. Here, however, we aren't critting that much, just enough for it to be a little annoying. I didn't figure the Focus Energy was worth it, but might be worth testing in a future run.
Agreed. It's just shocking that a Pokemon you receive as a prize for beating an "optional gym" was so trash, but the real Gym next door did just give us Psywave....
@@xCmDrunkX Aside from the previous two videos being Weedle and Mewtwo with 255 in every stat? It’s just something he’s been doing. The suggestion was for a follow up to those videos using the Pokémon featured in this one.
@ it was kind of difficult to keep track what strats you used for the individual Hitmonlees. So i give you that, i thought you used it for both. Anyways i would have preferred to go for not minimum battles for both.
@ but i really enjoy most of your videos like the ones from jrose 11, something about the gen 1 challenge solo run brings back so much nostalgia since i grow up with the first generation.
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Hitmonchan would be very interesting with 110 Special in Gen 1 considering it has moves like Thunder Punch, Fire Punch and Ice Punch
I want to try this one too. I started with Hitmonlee since it wouldn't really get any offensive benefit from higher special, only better defense against Psychic and other special modes.
Could you possibly play Yellow Legacy as well. Smith plays try to give the game some quality of life improvements and the Hitmon got some love
I was going to suggest the same thing
100% While Hitmonlee is very frail because of its low Special, Hitmonchan is almost unusable as its coverage moves all use its terrible Special stat.
How strong would Hitmonchan be with his 110 Special and elemental punches
That is a future run!
An awesome idea for a race between the two of them.
Yeah, I did this one as Minimum Battles, but a race would be fun since Hitmonlee chan isn't doing Minimum Battles No matter how hard it tries
The irony of Focus Energy in gen 1 is it reduces the crit rate, meaning its harder for your attack boosts to get ignored by your crits after using it.
Indeed. I think JRose11 once said Focus Energy is worse than doing nothing, little did he know of being able to divide the high crit ratio moves by 4 to be able to take advantage of badge boosts for those moves. 😊😊😊
@@black-redpill3 Is it that the move itself is bugged or is it that the values overflow?
@@CottidaeSEA the move has math mistake in it, instead of crit x2 it does crit x1/2
Yeah, I used this back in my Scyther full game solo run to make it possible to use Slash with Swords Dance and thus beat the game without needing TMs. It is worse than nothing except in special cases, where suddenly it is completely OP.
not that focus energy is a good move in the first place. even if it didnt nerf crit rate. I mean in general it might be good if u do like false swipe and focus energy or when doing npc battles. outside of it. its not even worth using.
Now THIS is an interesting concept! Perhaps we could explore this further with the biggest winners and losers of Generation 2’s special split?
@@ImportAustralia Snorlax with 110 Special would be insanely good.
Yeah, I like the idea. Boosting Gen 1 mons with their improve Gen 2 Special stat to see how much better they'd be in Gen 1.
@@ImportAustralia easily Hitmonchan, Snorlax, kangaskhan, marowak, machamp, Jynx, Mr mime, Slowbro, and even Raticate, Muk, Blastoise, and charizard
Hitmonlee: (Shrugs) Could be worse. I could have "3 elemental punches with a 35 Special stat"
Fact! When I did the Bruno team last year and started with Hitmonchan, we did laughably little damage....
Like 10-11 seconds of pure silence at the start is almost definitely an editing error, but still great video and looking through it rn
My bad, not sure how it ended up with a gap on the front end. Editing now will update as soon as a RUclips processes it
@@RBYPokemonChallenges starts right away now, I stumbled in accidentally and happened to see this.. I'll hang around for the video though, love Gen1!
Could weedle beat the game with access to all broken TMs ?
I like your style. Sounds like a fun run to try.
Now imagine if Hitmonchan had its 110 Special.
Yes!!!!!
I can't believe the accuracy you had with mega punch
What can I say, it makes up for the ridiculous number of Gen 1 misses I get in every other run lol
Quick nitpick but in the description it says the special gets increased to 100, when it’s 110. Great vid as always!!
RIP, that needs to be updated. I'm on it.
Special stat was wild back in Gen 1. I have to wonder if they did it that way because they were so tight on space and couldn't afford an extra stat for each Pokémon.
It definitely made a difference in this run, there were attacks survived that couldn't be otherwise, and allowed you to avoid breaking down and using Double Team or Mimic.
Hitmonlee just looks so incredibly weird to me. Still one of the weirdest Pokémon designs all the way to the current day. What even is it supposed to be?
It's Bruce Lee's Lower body with some little arms of course
Hitmonlee was done dirty? Hitmonchan gets elemental punches and they're special attacks! Confused and hurt my soul as a kid.
I agree. Hitmonchan also was done very dirty
Great video! I have watched a similar tuber (jrose) from time to time, but stumbling into this video was a complete accident- these "what if" challenges are so fun! You got my Sub :D
That's awesome. Jrose is the GOAT and was a big part of me getting started on RUclips. I watched him religiously but back during COVID he had a stretch where he wasn't uploading as much and I couldn't take it so I started my own channel. Glad to add a little something to the niche!
Ghost Marowak gets kicked into the afterlife, what a restful way to put its' soul to rest
Yeah, who knew you could kick a Ghost in Gen 1
Hp is appalling too
Yeah, I didn't even bother mentioning HP is bad since that's basically every one of Bruno's Pokemon 😂
I've been wondering what it would be like to play gen 1 with all the Pokemon having their better special stat they had in Gen 2. Aka the Chancy rule
@@fortello7219 Maybe Bruno world not be as bad with half of his team resistent on the special side.
I’d honestly love to see it, I had an idea of a modern remake where hoenn an alolan pkmn had regional variants in kanto. For instance skitty an delcatty for example have kantonian form that maybe had the same special atk & def stat as a call back to the early games.
I really like this idea. I need to make that as a special rom with video thumbnail being Bruno becoming actually good.
@@RBYPokemonChallenges I've been working on a romhack that introduces traceback level-up lists and I've been considering if there should be an option to play with gen 2 special stats as well
Hitmonlee's run was definitely interesting. The special stat didn't made the difference in the early game as much as in the later parts of the game, especially,whenever you could avoid using broken tms .😮
Now I kind of wonder how Machamp would do if karate chop was a fighting move in gen 1 and if it had the gen 2 special defense stat too.🤔
That could be very interesting to try. I did the 9k subs video where we gave it Meditate as a Gen 2 egg move and it beat the game on Minimum Battles, but maybe it doesn't even need that with higher special and STAB Karate Chop.
@@RBYPokemonChallenges Machamp could have been the best fighting pokemon in gen 1 if it had a fighting move,at least in competitive.
Machamp is better off without a set up move , because karate chop's high critical hit rate will likely bypass the given boosts anyways.🤔
why not remove the randomness of the game, by instead of a timer you count how many space you must move and how many moves you use in any battles you must encounter, also resets could be used as more of a tie-breaker for anything that scores the same.
i like this logic. I need to see if I can implement it.
My brother out here responding to pretty much every comment. Much respect to you
I aim to. There are times where it's delayed because of life outside of RUclips, but I generally respond to everyone!
Excited for the -chan run.
Let's go!
TOMBSTONER should be a god move to knock out ghosts. Or a super strong rock move. Or a strong fighting move to destroy rocks. So many options….
! think it's is a 100% accurate OHKO move personally
hitmonchan is wayyyy worse than hitmonlee in gen 1 (not that i dont agree that lee got done dirty) it even got a lower base stat total, worse moves, no meditate and no good fighting move
Agreed on that. I think it also needs a Special stat boost.
It doesn't have a lower base stat total than Hitmonlee. They're both at either 345 or 380 (depending on how you calculate the Special Stat). Hitmonchan does however have worst stat distribution, since compared to Hitmonlee it subtracts 15 in attack and 11 in speed and puts it all in defense (which is a bad stat to invest in when you're still so frail and your strongest STAB move is an 80 BP recoil move with bad accuracy).
Will there be a Dragonite with high special run?
We shall see. Dragonite is already pretty OP tbh, but it could be a lot of fun.
focus Energy in gen 1 is bugged right? its meant to bost Your crit rate but it nukes it into the floor. so why not use that bug? if You got a pokemon with high crit but crits ignore the badge bost glich use focus energy to nuke Your crit hit rate so You can amost always get a badge boosted attack
only ones that can really benefit from that are scyther and raticate iirc is the reason
It's a bit different for something like Scyther using Slash, where it has a guaranteed Crit bypassing all stat boosts, so Focus Energy is a relaly good strategy there. Here, we're not critting THAT much, just a couple of annoying losses to poorly times crits.
Clearly if we got pecked we would get wrecked
Man’s spitting bars🔥🔥🔥
Just wait for my album drop 😂 Pokerap can't touch this 🔥
Your commentary on Agatha gave me an idea...Weedle with Metronome as an extra move.
Oh god.... 😂
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Legend!
@@RBYPokemonChallenges of Zelda!
RBY: We're not going to learn focus energy because it's bugged and lowers crit-hit rate
Also RBY: We don't want crits
with focus energy we'd not have to worry about crits as much and it'd probably be more consistent?
Arguably yes. I didn't even think about that at the time.
I understand minimum battles conceptually as a standard to play by, but do you feel the backtrack is faster than just adding the battle while you're already on nugget bridge/bills house?
No sure what you mean? Going back from Bill's house on the route with no trainers is always faster than taking an additional battle.
@@RBYPokemonChallenges Gotcha. That was my question, whether doubling back was faster or it was worth taking the battle but getting the move set option earlier offsetting that in total time. Probably depends on the trainer. If you had to fight one Pidgey it may be worth it versus 6 Kadabra.
I rly like to see a Metronom only run, 4 moves all metronom for pp and start the chaos run😅
@@TheCrowAzar but with a weedle
I got enough Metronome in my Clefable no TMs Minimum Battles run a couple of years ago.
How op will be a lucky meowth (all oponent move who can fail always fails always low rol in damage always you attacks are critical etc)
I need to learn how to rom hack well enough to make this. Also, trainers drop extra money every battle for our Manekineko
¿Muchas de las derrotas las pudiste evitar si le hubieras enseñado Strengh en vez de Mega Patada o Rapidez?
🤔🤔
I agree. Body Slam was locked behind an optional trainer so unobtainable on minimum battles, which adds a bit more challenge, but getting Body Slam makes this Pokemon MUCH better
Why does he pronounce it ra tah tah instead of ruh ta tuh?
Mah-Dry-Bread's influence lol
@@RBYPokemonChallenges Ah, cool. I didn't know if you were perhaps Canadian and that's how it is said there.
Should the second mega kick have counted against the score or not cause you already learned that move?
Generally I count each TM learned, but since Mega Kick is also a level-up move, things might have been buggy....
Honestly, could probably have saved yourself some resets and runtime by either not using Meditate or using it less for a lot of these fights, because you were taking too much damage on setup and the ranges didn't improve much of the time.
I can agree with that. This was a first run and not in any way pre-routed or optimized, but I found in a lot of fights as well that I was overdoing it on setups. The only case where I was occasionally under-buffing were some of the late game fights where one more badge boost would let me outspeed a key threat (Blaine's Arcanine, Rival's Kadabra, Agatha's final Gengar, Lance's Aerodactyl), so I think with proper mapping the Meditates could have been optimized in a lot of spots
26:14 You mean Blaine?
RIP, yeah meant Blaine.
Instead of give a base stat of s.def, it gave the base of s.atk
Yeah, It just never made sense in Hitmonlee's case since it basically never uses special attacks.
can someone explain how badge boosts work?
4 Badges normally increase stats by 12.5%:
Boulder Badge - +12.5% Attack
Thunder Badge - +12.5% Defense (Surge incorrectly says it increases Speed because he's just a trashman afterall)
Soul Badge - +12.5% Speed
Volcano Badge - +12.5% Special
This 12.5% increase is intended and is not a glitch.
When is battle, the game engine factors in the boost when a stat is change. For example, if the opponent uses Leer on you, it lowers your Defense basic stat and then applies the 12.5% increase to it if you have the Thunder Badge. The problem is that the game adds on all of the badge boosts at this step instead of just applying the boost to the altered stat. So when you have the Boulder Badge and Thunder Badge, a Leer lowers your defense, the game correctly re-applies the 12.5% boost to your defense at the end of the calculation, but it also mistakenly applies a 12.5% boost to your attack stat due to the Boulder Badge.
This effect can technically be stacked infinitely until the stat reaches 999. So if you go watch some of my older videos, you'll see situations, especially in rEd/Blue against the Champion's Rhydon, where I let him use Tail Whip and Leer on me over and over until my Attack and Special and Speed hit 999 and enable me to OHKO all of his remaining Pokemon.
What is badge boost glitch in gen 1 and how does it work?
bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Badge#Stat_boost
It would be interesting to also see post Gen 1 evolutions from gen 1 mons
For sure. I need to learn to properly backport Pokemon. Might be something to ask Gym Leader Matt or Squidgy about.
@RBYPokemonChallenges Probably. Also decide with Special stat you are gonna use for them
Too bad we couldn’t give it blaze kick to go with tombstoner
Shame indeed, this Pokemon would OHKO everything
Hey, I had an error in my last comment, so I'm resubmitting with revision:
Yo, I should probably lyk that Sand Attack is a Normal-type move.
Perfect! Thank you for 2 comments to the almighty algorithm
@RBYPokemonChallenges Serendipitous, amirite?
I'll be interested in seeing if it makes hardly any difference honestly.
Let's find out!
now time for hitmonchan
I like the logic here!
Neat idea, more interesting then GSC
Poor GSC, he's doing his best y'all, but Whitney is making the content not so interesting to watch since she just let's anyhting run through her.
@RBYPokemonChallenges Whitney is the one with no friends, like Clair why isn't she doing her job of giving you a badge?
Does not matter it was not released that way
But what if it were?
My favorite fighting Pokemon he’s just so cool looking 🔥🔥
Agreed, and he's basically Bruce Lee, which is why he was the best fighting pokemon in my opinion.
Funny that he is complaining about cutting too often then immediately states he won't learn focus energy because it's broken.
*critting
Yeah, I used the Focus Energy strat back in my Scyther run. The difference is Scyther has a guaranteed crit with Slash making the Focus Energy strat really good. Here, however, we aren't critting that much, just enough for it to be a little annoying. I didn't figure the Focus Energy was worth it, but might be worth testing in a future run.
I've always been of the opinion that Gamefreak doesn't care about balance at all.
Agreed. It's just shocking that a Pokemon you receive as a prize for beating an "optional gym" was so trash, but the real Gym next door did just give us Psywave....
how about a hitmonlee and hitmonchan 255 atk and special atk
Not enough context as to why they are maxed out
@@xCmDrunkX Aside from the previous two videos being Weedle and Mewtwo with 255 in every stat? It’s just something he’s been doing. The suggestion was for a follow up to those videos using the Pokémon featured in this one.
@@DanelerH yeah I’ve seen those…just think it’s for two random pokemon amongst a line of other better choices
@@DanelerH oh sorry... I only asked to see how fast the time it will be lol
That sounds like a fun comparison. Basically Elemental Punches versus Kicks on a level playing field.
Wait, Hitmonlee can learn Mega Punch but Hitmonchan can't learn any kick?
@@PabloNeves26 As far as I know, Hitmonchan can learn mega kick.
Hitmonchan gets MEga Kick in Gen 1 and can get Hi Jump Kick as an Egg Move in Gen 2.
Cool video
Thank you!
Man, Hitmonlee is kinda butts. I get that it's minimum battles, but still...
Yeah he's still not great, just better lolol
420 😏 Blaze kick lol
We need to backport that move immediately.
ggs!
Whats the point of going through with minimum battles and then relying on double team strats ? Kind of boring
Think you weren't paying attention. A normal 35 base special Hitmonlee needs Double Team, this one doesnt
@ it was kind of difficult to keep track what strats you used for the individual Hitmonlees.
So i give you that, i thought you used it for both.
Anyways i would have preferred to go for not minimum battles for both.
@ but i really enjoy most of your videos like the ones from jrose 11, something about the gen 1 challenge solo run brings back so much nostalgia since i grow up with the first generation.
Hey quit trying to be like GSC Pokémon Challenges!!! 😂
But he gave me this special Gen2 Hitmonlee!
Huh neat
Thank you for watching!
I love Jrose11, and got you recommended to me, and you've such an interesting twist on it compared to him. I subbed :3
Cheers! Jrose is the GOAT.
@@RBYPokemonChallenges thought of a fun run, ratatta with 255 base stats, it will be the top 1% of all ratattas 😅
I just realized I haven't seen hitmonlee in like 10 years, almost weird to think it's an actual pokemon
Yeah, he gets bo respect when honestly his design is just awesome!