The video is fantastic; the multi-color printing K2 Plus indeed looks very appealing! However, its price tag is significantly higher than the traditional Ender and CR series, which is out of my budget. I've noticed FLSUN recently released a new product with a decent price. Is it worth recommending?
Nice coverage. The major concern I have with Creality is their track history with new printers. Purchasing a 1.0 product from them is dicey and I don't want to chance it.
Yes, this newbie would love a slicer overview from start to finish for dummies... I have only ever used 1 printer the QIDI xmax. Would love a setup video with the CFS start to finish
Bought the X1C (With AMS) pre-ordered for day 1 release.. Never has filament "jumped" over the spool when retracting or unloading.. 2 Years of printing, Zero AMS issues.
I've absolutely had that happen. Plenty of times. I wouldn't call it a "regular" thing but it definitely hasn't been unheard of. Regardless, a little extra security is nice
I had it happen like 2-3 times during the 1 year of running my x1c with ams. Not a bit problem, but looking like the cfs have some small issues to iron out. Maybe next generation would be better. Lets see what bambu have next year.
I have run into this on my Bambu lab printer X1C rebuilding the extruder in thehot end. From what I could see from the video you were having the same issue I found. When I’m putting this back together a small steel circular rod 1.75mm the same size as the filler I pull back the cutter and I’ll stuck rod between the got end and the extruder to make sure they stay aligned 100%. I was finding when I did not do this. The lime would be off 1 to 6% and this would cause filament to hang between the intruder in the hot end. When I first saw it, I did not even think about it, but on the fourth time pulling the thing apart I looked real closely before disassembled it and that’s why I noticed it. You gotta be kidding me that little bear is causing an issue. Once I started sticking something in there to align metal or wood, the problem went away..
Ok, here's the deal. I was very impressed by a reviewer actually telling us the issues he encountered with this machine, which were MANY, and I appreciate it since pretty much everybody else was having the time of their lives with the K2 Plus. That was until you connected the AMS to the friggin' K2 Plus....WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?! Hence, now I am extremely skeptical of everything that was mentioned as an issue in the 16 minutes prior to this.
How is the leveling of the K2 Plus bed? My K1 Max bed warps when I heat it to 110 degrees Celsius to print ABS. I would like to know if this issue of the bed warping at higher temperatures has been resolved in the K2 Plus.
Sometimes after it heat soaks it gets back to normal as the heat evens out as the stresses caused by heat expansion. If you recently got your printer, it will take about 10-20 prints printing in ABS for the bed to find a home and stop warping as much from different bed heat temps. Also, try heading the bed before running auto bed leveling, that gives me perfect bed leveling for ASA/ABS/PC every time. So much so that i never have issues running >0.2mm first layer height with 100% line width on the first layer as well. Side note; I'm using a generic BL-Touch and simply add a Z offset in the start g-code in the settings for the selected filament to compensate for sensor heat drift. I also add a 5 minute wait time for more expensive engineering filaments so the bed passively heat soaks the chamber even better
New to your channel. Really enjoyed your thoughts and opinions on your experiences. I really like the honest, uncolored review. Like and subscribe and look happy on your other and upcoming videos.
finally someone who's realizing how reasonably good CR 5.1 is. So many people talk trash about it while never having used it and being stuck on using "orca" yet noone ever shows why and what the differences are.
That's exactly how I feel. I really should do a full video on it. If someone tries it and doesn't like it, I'll be shocked, but at least I respect their opinion. If someone doesn't even try and and blatantly says orca is better then when should I even listen to them
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but if you are going to have a "Print Examples" section, please have some in focus footage and actually look at a print close enough to show the quality. All of the shots later in the video are too small and moving too much. I could glean almost nothing about how the K2 Plus prints from this video other than that they finish.
creality advised reviews with free machines not to include upclose shots. this machine has a HUGE FLAW...you can only print .2mm minimum with multi color which is extremely bad..cancelled my order soon as i saw this and the huge layer issues everyone is getting
@@aimlessdrive8723I would imagine that will be fixed later with firmware but if high detail multicolor prints are your priority waiting is probably the smart call. I mostly want the heated chamber and large build volume so it's going to work fine for me. I'll use the cfs primarily for automatic runout.
What allowed cardboard spools to work through the CMS for single spool prints but not for multicolor prints? If you had different colors in all four slots, would you be able to print a part with, say, spool 1, then easily print a part from spool 3 later on with the CMS handling the spool switch?
I *think* the problem for me was the repetitive spooling (either in or out) that's is my best guess. Printing with the cardboard spools single there is a lot of room for error because the printer still uses the buffer tube, that's my best guess. That being said, it doesn't seem other creators had much issue with cardboard, so I maybe I just got unlucky. Additionally, if you print the plastic rings, it would almost certainly fix the problem I was experiencing.
exactly same issue I have with cardboard spools , purchased on amazon 2'' steel bearing ball and placed inside the hollow center of the spool since then no problem...
Yeah I wish the increased the number of spools it can hold. Of course if they do that then people will less often buy the additional units, so money lost. Staying with 4 spools was probably a business decision.
Would like you to do a video on creality print showing how to import multiple part models that are designed for multiple colour printing. Prusaslicer will ask if the imported parts are multiple items, or part of a multi part single model. And automatically align them. I tried that in creality print and it didn’t ask. Leaving me to attempt to manually align them.
Oh yikes. yeah I've imported multi-part models and it asks the same question that it does improve the slicer. I will see if I can get a video uploaded on that!
wait are you serious on not being able to print silk pla out of this machine? that is my main material i use? i have one of these on order i really hope thats not true. i print 10-15 rolls a week thru of silk thru my bambu ams and have no issue there is no reason this printer shouldnt print
@@lukeglavan you shouldn't do multicolor silk. The machine and prink silk single color just fine. This is the same restriction as on the AMS. As the silk retracts it bunches up and will clog the extruder. Single color silk printing is perfectly fine with the CFS though
We really, really need to see close-ups of various prints in different lightning so we can tell if the printer has those classic Creality VFA's that they never seem to be able to get rid of. The only reviewer I saw show those, did indeed have said VFA's and a print quality about on par or slightly worse than a K1.
That is good to hear. I still have not had the schedule to play around with cardboard spools again. It very well could just be me getting unlucky. With the plastic spools, the CFS was a dream.
It has to be a plastic on plastic friction thing. I haven't had an issue with my AMS and cardboard, but I also haven't had the issue of cardboard breaking down and clogging it. I've seen so many people share different experiences it's honestly crazy.
You plugged your AMS into the K2 without at least checking the power wires with a multimeter? Uhm ... yea ... well ... hrm. While you have the cables, can you please check the pin outs on your cables? (i.e. if you wanted to get an AMS long cable to replace a CFS short cable to allow us to move it off of the top?
@@dropbear9785 yeah let's not discuss that 😅😅 but for real, I think it was a valid curiosity. Most electronics have protection against overvolting or other related issues. It makes perfect sense that creality can't or wouldn't want to be compatible with the Bambu hardware, but if that's the case I really think creality should have used a different cable connector. I will try to check this out!! I need to get dig my meter out of the garage lol
It is largely a copy, but has a number of improvements over the AMS. For example, there is easy access to the PTFE tubes on the underside. You don't have to dismantle the whole unit to get the jammed filament out, as with the AMS. And the cups into which you insert the filament are easy to replace. This is much more complicated on the AMS.
Yes. The CFS is far better than the AMS. It is of course the same general design, but the actual implementation is MUCH better. Overall a huge improvement in terms of design, imo.
@@ThePrintHouseCan you please provide proof because your video, title, and review lean more to showing the machine off but there is no actual proof or facts of your statements. If anything your review showed the possible frustration of using this product, not the benefits. Also the multi-material unit is not any better or worse than a AMS unless you can provide proof of how effectively it is better.
@@darkalleywaystudio3975 My review aimed to be critical of the product because I wanted to avoid being labeled a "shill," which is a common accusation against reviewers. While I acknowledged certain frustrations, I believe the CFS is a high-quality alternative to the AMS. The K2 Plus package does have its flaws, similar to the X1 series from Bambu, which has had two years of firmware updates. In my experience, the CFS works exceptionally well with plastic spools. Troubleshooting issues like snapped filament and jams is significantly easier compared to the AMS. Additionally, the physical construction of the CFS feels stronger and more robust, and I personally think it has a nicer appearance. It’s worth noting that the CFS is priced at $300, which I find surprising, as I expected it to be around $150. Both the AMS and CFS have their pros and cons, and only time will tell if Creality continues to support firmware upgrades for these units to improve their functionality. I believe it’s important to be critical in the primary video, while I can address more niche questions in the comments. Overall, producing a well-rounded video that covers every question viewers might have can be challenging.
@@ThePrintHouse I thought your review of the K2 Plus Combo and CFS was exactly what a lot of us that have this pre-ordered was looking for. This gave me valuable in site on what I should be looking forward to and also the things I need to possibly keep an eye on. I appreciate your honest review. I just wish mine would ship already because I am getting really impatient.
The video is fantastic; the multi-color printing K2 Plus indeed looks very appealing! However, its price tag is significantly higher than the traditional Ender and CR series, which is out of my budget. I've noticed FLSUN recently released a new product with a decent price. Is it worth recommending?
Nice coverage. The major concern I have with Creality is their track history with new printers. Purchasing a 1.0 product from them is dicey and I don't want to chance it.
😂😂😂 if it wasn’t for them😂😂😂nevermind
And customer support, when you finally reach them after a few weeks to ask why your new printer isn't working.
So many different models including very old versions. Why keep offering 5 year old designs?
Yes, this newbie would love a slicer overview from start to finish for dummies... I have only ever used 1 printer the QIDI xmax. Would love a setup video with the CFS start to finish
Bought the X1C (With AMS) pre-ordered for day 1 release.. Never has filament "jumped" over the spool when retracting or unloading.. 2 Years of printing, Zero AMS issues.
I've absolutely had that happen. Plenty of times. I wouldn't call it a "regular" thing but it definitely hasn't been unheard of. Regardless, a little extra security is nice
I had it happen like 2-3 times during the 1 year of running my x1c with ams. Not a bit problem, but looking like the cfs have some small issues to iron out. Maybe next generation would be better. Lets see what bambu have next year.
I have run into this on my Bambu lab printer X1C rebuilding the extruder in thehot end. From what I could see from the video you were having the same issue I found. When I’m putting this back together a small steel circular rod 1.75mm the same size as the filler I pull back the cutter and I’ll stuck rod between the got end and the extruder to make sure they stay aligned 100%. I was finding when I did not do this. The lime would be off 1 to 6% and this would cause filament to hang between the intruder in the hot end. When I first saw it, I did not even think about it, but on the fourth time pulling the thing apart I looked real closely before disassembled it and that’s why I noticed it. You gotta be kidding me that little bear is causing an issue. Once I started sticking something in there to align metal or wood, the problem went away..
Hi, could you tell me please where you got the STL for that rocket from, it looks great.
@@lesliejames5722 rocket?
Ok, here's the deal. I was very impressed by a reviewer actually telling us the issues he encountered with this machine, which were MANY, and I appreciate it since pretty much everybody else was having the time of their lives with the K2 Plus. That was until you connected the AMS to the friggin' K2 Plus....WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?! Hence, now I am extremely skeptical of everything that was mentioned as an issue in the 16 minutes prior to this.
How is the leveling of the K2 Plus bed? My K1 Max bed warps when I heat it to 110 degrees Celsius to print ABS. I would like to know if this issue of the bed warping at higher temperatures has been resolved in the K2 Plus.
Sometimes after it heat soaks it gets back to normal as the heat evens out as the stresses caused by heat expansion. If you recently got your printer, it will take about 10-20 prints printing in ABS for the bed to find a home and stop warping as much from different bed heat temps. Also, try heading the bed before running auto bed leveling, that gives me perfect bed leveling for ASA/ABS/PC every time. So much so that i never have issues running >0.2mm first layer height with 100% line width on the first layer as well.
Side note; I'm using a generic BL-Touch and simply add a Z offset in the start g-code in the settings for the selected filament to compensate for sensor heat drift. I also add a 5 minute wait time for more expensive engineering filaments so the bed passively heat soaks the chamber even better
The most honest review
Can you share the link for the 3d model from the red skull in your video?
Regarding what you said about having too much squish on the X1C's first layer, isn't the system's LiDAR supposed to eliminate those issues?
New to your channel. Really enjoyed your thoughts and opinions on your experiences. I really like the honest, uncolored review. Like and subscribe and look happy on your other and upcoming videos.
BTW, additional CFS units are now on sale in the Creality Store for about $280.00.
Bambu vs creality which printer rules and which one drolls
finally someone who's realizing how reasonably good CR 5.1 is. So many people talk trash about it while never having used it and being stuck on using "orca" yet noone ever shows why and what the differences are.
That's exactly how I feel. I really should do a full video on it. If someone tries it and doesn't like it, I'll be shocked, but at least I respect their opinion. If someone doesn't even try and and blatantly says orca is better then when should I even listen to them
@@ThePrintHouse DO IT! lol
Creality print 4.0 was bad, really bad.
Ever since 5.0 it's a completely different animal.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but if you are going to have a "Print Examples" section, please have some in focus footage and actually look at a print close enough to show the quality. All of the shots later in the video are too small and moving too much. I could glean almost nothing about how the K2 Plus prints from this video other than that they finish.
That's valuable feedback. You're right. I was simultaneously over and underprepared for this video. I will take it into consideration for next time :)
@@ThePrintHouse Thank you. I appreciate your ability to take the feedback calmly at face value. 👍
creality advised reviews with free machines not to include upclose shots.
this machine has a HUGE FLAW...you can only print .2mm minimum with multi color which is extremely bad..cancelled my order soon as i saw this and the huge layer issues everyone is getting
thats why you couldnt print .162
@@aimlessdrive8723I would imagine that will be fixed later with firmware but if high detail multicolor prints are your priority waiting is probably the smart call. I mostly want the heated chamber and large build volume so it's going to work fine for me. I'll use the cfs primarily for automatic runout.
Can it use a .2 nozzle? If so, where available.
@@merrillalbury8214 I know it can you use a 0.2 mm nozzle, I just don't know if it's available yet. check the link in my description for the store
As far as I know it can but none available so far. I already asked Creality.
@@thorsteinhh Just use Creality filament, soon the nozzle will start clogging then you'll be down to.2
What allowed cardboard spools to work through the CMS for single spool prints but not for multicolor prints? If you had different colors in all four slots, would you be able to print a part with, say, spool 1, then easily print a part from spool 3 later on with the CMS handling the spool switch?
I *think* the problem for me was the repetitive spooling (either in or out) that's is my best guess. Printing with the cardboard spools single there is a lot of room for error because the printer still uses the buffer tube, that's my best guess. That being said, it doesn't seem other creators had much issue with cardboard, so I maybe I just got unlucky. Additionally, if you print the plastic rings, it would almost certainly fix the problem I was experiencing.
exactly same issue I have with cardboard spools , purchased on amazon 2'' steel bearing ball and placed inside the hollow center of the spool since then no problem...
Does the cfs work with other klipper printers?
@@KimmyR3 at the moment no. I do believe they intend to make it functional for other reality products, but that is still not yet known
I would like to see in the slicer how to setup for breakaway supports using PLA as the model and PETG as the support
missed opportunity to do like 5 or 6 spool Multi material system. it looks weird
Yeah I wish the increased the number of spools it can hold. Of course if they do that then people will less often buy the additional units, so money lost. Staying with 4 spools was probably a business decision.
Thanks for your video! What are the main dimensions of this printer?
The build volume is 350x350x350 the physical printer dimensions are of course large, but not a ton. Roughly 500x500x600mm.
Would like you to do a video on creality print showing how to import multiple part models that are designed for multiple colour printing.
Prusaslicer will ask if the imported parts are multiple items, or part of a multi part single model.
And automatically align them. I tried that in creality print and it didn’t ask. Leaving me to attempt to manually align them.
Oh yikes. yeah I've imported multi-part models and it asks the same question that it does improve the slicer. I will see if I can get a video uploaded on that!
wait are you serious on not being able to print silk pla out of this machine? that is my main material i use? i have one of these on order i really hope thats not true. i print 10-15 rolls a week thru of silk thru my bambu ams and have no issue there is no reason this printer shouldnt print
@@lukeglavan you shouldn't do multicolor silk. The machine and prink silk single color just fine. This is the same restriction as on the AMS. As the silk retracts it bunches up and will clog the extruder. Single color silk printing is perfectly fine with the CFS though
I thought FranklyBuilt printed an Iron Man helmet with red, silver, and gold with the CFS. Gotta believe it was silk PLA.
We really, really need to see close-ups of various prints in different lightning so we can tell if the printer has those classic Creality VFA's that they never seem to be able to get rid of. The only reviewer I saw show those, did indeed have said VFA's and a print quality about on par or slightly worse than a K1.
90% of the reviews have z wobble....lidar failed..whole machine is obsolete. you are so lucky to get it for free
Strange re the CFS as I have watched a ton of other users videos and none of them have had any problems either with cardboard spools or silk filament.
That is good to hear. I still have not had the schedule to play around with cardboard spools again. It very well could just be me getting unlucky. With the plastic spools, the CFS was a dream.
Both my AMS and Anycubic ACE hate cardboard spools.
Plastic spools work almost flawless.
It has to be a plastic on plastic friction thing. I haven't had an issue with my AMS and cardboard, but I also haven't had the issue of cardboard breaking down and clogging it. I've seen so many people share different experiences it's honestly crazy.
You plugged your AMS into the K2 without at least checking the power wires with a multimeter? Uhm ... yea ... well ... hrm.
While you have the cables, can you please check the pin outs on your cables? (i.e. if you wanted to get an AMS long cable to replace a CFS short cable to allow us to move it off of the top?
@@dropbear9785 yeah let's not discuss that 😅😅 but for real, I think it was a valid curiosity. Most electronics have protection against overvolting or other related issues. It makes perfect sense that creality can't or wouldn't want to be compatible with the Bambu hardware, but if that's the case I really think creality should have used a different cable connector. I will try to check this out!! I need to get dig my meter out of the garage lol
You lost me at this… well you lost me several times. But yeah.. plugging that into your Bambu.. what the actual f…
they gave so many away for youtubers because they had bad reputation in the past, & now real customers have to wait months to get them 😂
And when Bambu releases their new model no-one will be talking about this thing anymore. 😜
@@bluewolf4915 that's typically how new releases work
lol every vid , bad link so how much is it>?? oops creality bad link to all i see
Do you mean the link in the description is bad? It seems to work for me
@ThePrintHouse tried it several times you all have the same link to nothing
CFS or better called AMS replica
It is largely a copy, but has a number of improvements over the AMS. For example, there is easy access to the PTFE tubes on the underside. You don't have to dismantle the whole unit to get the jammed filament out, as with the AMS. And the cups into which you insert the filament are easy to replace. This is much more complicated on the AMS.
Yes. The CFS is far better than the AMS. It is of course the same general design, but the actual implementation is MUCH better. Overall a huge improvement in terms of design, imo.
@@ThePrintHouseCan you please provide proof because your video, title, and review lean more to showing the machine off but there is no actual proof or facts of your statements. If anything your review showed the possible frustration of using this product, not the benefits. Also the multi-material unit is not any better or worse than a AMS unless you can provide proof of how effectively it is better.
@@darkalleywaystudio3975 My review aimed to be critical of the product because I wanted to avoid being labeled a "shill," which is a common accusation against reviewers. While I acknowledged certain frustrations, I believe the CFS is a high-quality alternative to the AMS.
The K2 Plus package does have its flaws, similar to the X1 series from Bambu, which has had two years of firmware updates. In my experience, the CFS works exceptionally well with plastic spools. Troubleshooting issues like snapped filament and jams is significantly easier compared to the AMS. Additionally, the physical construction of the CFS feels stronger and more robust, and I personally think it has a nicer appearance.
It’s worth noting that the CFS is priced at $300, which I find surprising, as I expected it to be around $150. Both the AMS and CFS have their pros and cons, and only time will tell if Creality continues to support firmware upgrades for these units to improve their functionality.
I believe it’s important to be critical in the primary video, while I can address more niche questions in the comments. Overall, producing a well-rounded video that covers every question viewers might have can be challenging.
@@ThePrintHouse I thought your review of the K2 Plus Combo and CFS was exactly what a lot of us that have this pre-ordered was looking for. This gave me valuable in site on what I should be looking forward to and also the things I need to possibly keep an eye on. I appreciate your honest review. I just wish mine would ship already because I am getting really impatient.
Chinese copying chinese .. fun
No mention of the adware attached to their app, eh? Hmmmm, screams of fanboy...
@@shanechristiansen38 check out 3:30 I explicitly mentioned the terrible app