What do you guys think? Are you excited about these printers, or what? Thanks for watching, and if you want to support the channel, feel free to use the referral links in the description.
Managed to snag a T1 Pro at the $459 shipped price, arriving next week. For my "non critical" prints of stuff that will fit it's build volume and speed is what I need, just couldn't pass on the price. But what to do about my MK3S+. I want multicolor, but to upgrade my Prusa (3.5, 3.9 or 4) AND get an MMU, much as I love my Prusa it's just too hard to justify the price they're asking when a P1S+AMS combo is only $750. Was hoping this video would have some news on "what's next" from Bambu (to try to decide on pulling the trigger now versus wait), but alas no.
So much bad printers and not a word for Bambu lab. I am not like Bambu nerd or something but I have tried Creality ( trash company the onlything good is latest 3d scanners), anycubic ( low quality), elegoo (low quality), Prusa ( good quality but old technology at premium cost). So sorry but Bambu is the best printer money can bay or Vororon if you want to build your own. Everything you shown is bad choise except K2 as I haven’t had the opportunity to try it.
Well, just started watching this one but already bought a T1 Pro because of a previous video from you. Should arrive here soon, I hope by the time I finish this video I don't feel like: 😒 I did some research and could not pass on the price though.
$1499 is alot of money for a printer that might work as advertised in about 12 months. If creality expects to sell at that price then they need to be releasing printers that are damn near perfect out of the box.
@@donjohnson19 Plus other brands have issues too when they release new products. It is like people only remember the shortcomings of Creality while others like Bamboo Labs get a pass even if they end up recalling their product.
@@donjohnson19 say that to Bambu or Prusa. im not saying there wont be a single issue on launch, however, it does at bare minumum have to be have to be something other than a knockoff of another brand and perform 95% of the advertised functions as intended
The FLSun printer is a bit of a love-hate thing for me. I love the speed and the print quality, but I hate the occasional little issues. After asking around in the user groups, I found out a lot of the problems are just due to my settings. But honestly, FLSun's customer support has been pretty awesome and helped me fix a bunch of stuff. Fingers crossed they keep improving things-especially adding more user-friendly features, like remote monitoring. That’d make it so much easier to keep an eye on the print.
my t1 pro’s been running pretty great so far, the noise level seems about the same as other machines, i asked their support team about the speed settings, and they told me those are just recommendations i can tweak them however i need, oh, and i also asked about an app it's in the works, and i’m so excited for it
I have a T1, and the noise issue really bothered me for a while. But the $9.9 silent kit solved that problem. Looks like they’ve actually listened to user feedback, and honestly, I’m pretty happy with it now. Offering a wider range of configuration profiles is a great idea, and I’m looking forward to future upgrades.
glad to see flsun listening to user feedback and working on optimizing and upgrading their printers when it comes to parameter settings, everyone has unique needs It seems flsun has done extensive testing to provide well-suited configuration options, which is definitely helpful however, each print model has its own specific requirements, so a bit of fine-tuning is usually necessary
it's true that different print settings can lead to varying quality-everyone's got their own way of dialing things in. the provided profiles are a solid starting point, but there's always room for tweaks, especially in those finer details. that said, the core functionality is rock-solid. can't wait to see more updates and cool features in the future!
I'm really glad to see the Creality K2 actually is really good. I was very concerned with all their review embargos and shipping delays that it was going to be a disaster but its a relief to hear that it actually might live up to their hype. Just wish they went the tool-changer route for multi-color/filament
A toolchanger would have been a lot more expensive. If a Chinese manufacturer releases a toolchanger then I anticipate a price between $2000 and $2500.
I just bought a Prusa MK4S kit. Why did I? Because it is a kit that i can assemble, it is open source, customer support is superb, I can print parts for it in any color I want, it is a work horse, and i can keep it in the eco system that i already have.
I can definitly see that point. For my case i honestly need to say the Prusa printers seem just to stand still. They are propably the most tested and improved models out there but they lack a lot of quality of life stuff. Like Some nice chambers, Integrated spoolholders with dryers and some more stuff. If they would be priced better at this point i would buy one but they are pretty pricy too.
@@Tom_makes but he can buy another K1 for the price of upgrading an existing Prusa. In the end he has 2 printers, not just 1 😊 If this was a real question I'm sorry 😂
I made the dive on a MK4 (now MK4S) + MMU3 + Original Enclosure. All as a kit. I did it in part due to my previous Prisa experiences (i3 were my first printer), but also in part because it's Open Source, Made in the EU, and I wanted a workhorse. - Prusa has not disappointed. My first ~21kg of filament and 4000 filament changes were basically without errors. Now, the error rate is higher, simply because I experiment more with different materials and speeds. I regularly switch between PLA, PETG, ABS, ASA,TPU, PETG-CF, PC-CF AND PLA-CF. (Haven't gotten my hands on any nylon yet). It all goes through the MMU. So far, I have been able to trace all errors back to myself - with one exception: some Stronghero silk glitter -pla keeps clogging my .4 nozzle...
flsun T1 Pro is $599, 2 days after this video went live. Please don't feed them by advertising their "preorder" pricing. The printer is not $399 nor $459. They always do this.
@@truectl I grabbed this printer for $545 Canadian. They covered the tax, shipping and import duties. This was the early deal. That said I still do t have the printer, going on 20 days now with nothing but a shipping label printed.
No comment about the printers themselves, but I did want to take a moment to comment on the content in general. You have come so far in your presentation skills since I first started watching you and this video is no exception. Thorough, subjective and objective views, well laid out, well-scripted...well done. Keep up the great work Jonathan! (this comment is in no way meant to sound condescending. it was meant as praise for progress and a job well done)
Wow. I’m honored! I thought that this video was a bit all over the place but I’m so glad you have noticed the efforts we make to constantly improve! The best is yet to come
@@MisterLongShot_Officiali will probably buy one but i also want a chamber heater. And then I’ll make the choice between the new bambu printer or the qidi plus 4 (which by then will have the current issues fixed hopefully).
I was going to buy the qidi but just ordered the K2 instead. It looks pretty good and most of the problems seem to be mostly firmware and related to the cfs which really isn't that important to me. @@hschokker86
I know the svo6, 07 and 08 are the big names from Sovol right now but I wish they'd give some attention to the sv04. Tool changers and mmus might be hot right now but giving an idex little love would do wonders for people looking for a cheaper alternative.
Time saved with an IDEX can't be overstated either. If you can get by with only 2 colors in a layer, and maybe only 1-2 manual color changes throughout, it can save literal hours on a color print. I have orcaslicer's pre-heat tuned very well and each color change takes just 10 seconds on my Lulzbot Taz Pro, with more than half of that being movement to, and priming on the prime tower.
@See-essEll in my case I just need a setup for supports. I learned about how pla is great for tpu supports and it'd really help a project I have going.
Seems like a lot of 3D printers are Bata Release getting users to test them and causing them problems until they update a lot of stuff, firmware, hot end, etc; This is their time and money
@@3D_Printing that's basically the history of 3d printing, where manufacturers send you a kit, in which there's a chance it works outright, but most of the time there's a problem that you need to tweak, which in every generation will lessen.
Whenever a manufacturer takes the time to test their machines properly, they are accused of laziness or lack of innovation. It takes months to properly test and fine-tune a printer, but people always want everything immediately. You can't have it both ways.
@@fitchaj The problem is that they have contradictory expectations. It always has to be the latest technology but at the same time the machine should have been thoroughly tested. That doesn't work. You either lag behind but test your machines properly or you release a beta machine. It's the same with software development. Users always want new features, but at the same time don't have the patience to wait for a final version and then complain that there are still bugs in the beta version.
The core features of the Flsun slicer are well done, and the basic functions are very practical. Print speed can be adjusted to fit individual needs, and overall, I’m quite satisfied with the Pro so far. I’d really look forward to them releasing an app in the future for remote monitoring and control-it would make using it so much more convenient.
FLSun seem to be kicking the ass out of the price. You said it was $399, then it went to $459. Well now, two days after your video premiered, it's advertised at $599!
min 28:58: the real reason prusa does not support cameras is that Stratasys has two valid patents for this feature: US8747097B2 and US8562324B2 „a video camera positioned to capture video of the build volume from a point of view”
@@Yash-c3v , if they don't have a licence to use the patent, they infringe the patent and they get sued by Stratasys (bambuLab is sued by stratasys for having a camera, among other things). Prusa does not want to get sued and also it protects its customers from being sued... They posted on github how to make a webcamera using an ESP32 device, that can be used for anything, so that they can't be subpoenaed to give the list of clients that have a printer with built-in camera. Patents are tricky. Just google the stratasys vs bambulab . Also google for patents: US8747097B2 and US8562324B2 and read them
@@Yash-c3v , because they don't care about being sued and because they don't care that stratasys can sue their clients. Prusa respects us. They made a fw for external esp32 cameras that can be used for anything, so they can't be sued that some unknown user uses the camera to film 3d printing...
@@Yash-c3v Because a lot of other brands (especially Chinese) don't GAF about US patents. Prusa actually has a shot at getting their products into government agencies now that they're being made in the US. That would be a huge boost to their bottom line.
The thing with creality i found is that, whenever they have a new release its always messy but they fix most of the mistakase in a few months afterwards
Are the insets on the back of the Creality CFS for additional spool MMS modules? I thought I saw in another video that the K2 would support up to 16 separate spools (or was that the Qidi?.. Too many new printers to keep straight).
Just watched your review on the k2plus and I definitely gotta agree. Creality Print has to step its game up (or let’s just hope all the features work in orca slicer soon 😉 )
Just recently learned about Eddy bed leveling and I would love to hear some people’s thoughts on it. Do you think it’ll become a standard in the 3D printing space or is it sort of like clicky bed leveling where we may see it on more custom printers?
Why can't the Prusa Mk4S print PA-CF out of the box? I've been printing Fiberon PA612-CF on my SV06 with the enclosure open and the prints turned out well. I printed the cooling upgrades and the bed cable support upgrade and they came out perfect. The only hardware that was changed at the time was the nozzle and software is MainSail/Klipper.
Looking to upgrade from my Mk3S+, and tbh this didn't help; mostly because of the caveats cited at the end of the Mk4S segment. Given the cost of a quality Voron kit, though, I'm not sure I see cost savings. Is it just that Voron is so flexible (at more expense and time), or is it something else?
I just assembled my T1 Pro yesterday and aside from still needing to figure out why it talks to my LAN but not the WAN for a firmware update, it's working well. But you made one big assembly mistake - the hotend is attached to the wrong arm positions! The oval, logo'd fan shroud should be facing the front door, with the cooling tube at the back. Curiously, it seems this doesn’t affect performance? Maybe it's a symmetrical design. Also, there are small guide tubes in those black hose/cable clips that are designed to thread the filament through before the hotend. Keeps it moving alongside the hose to prevent snagging and tangling in that long run. Thanks for your vid!
@@thenextlayer did they say why that is? I can't think of any technical reason why changing filaments would behave differently based on how high the layers are.
@@robonator2945 I am just guessing here but feels like it has something to do with the purge. Say you want to print at 0.1 layer height, you are going to be purging half the volume for a given cross section of the purge tower than if you were to print at 0.2 layer height.
New to printing, and i'd like to ask: a couple times in this video you've mentioned that some printers can print certain materials out of the box. Does this mean that most printers require some modifications or special setup for certain materials?
The Prusa gummy bears are definitely on the higher end of the cost spectrum, but just like a pen that costs more but is refillable, it's nice to know that you won't have to throw it all away when they come out with their next iteration (plus amazing customer service is always worth extra)
I was most excited about the Sovol SV06 Ace among those because I'm still hoping to get into 3d printing. Since I would prefer to tinker less on my third printer, the truth is, I'm still more excited about the Bambu Lab A1 / A1 mini. I'm having a tough time deciding between those two and will probably use your tip from the Podcast about reviewing print-size compatibility using Orca slicer. Thanks for the great content.
I'm learning to love it. It hasn't been love at first print like the Prusa, but, I did get it well before the bugs were worked out, unlike the Prusa.... I'm still getting firmware updates very frequently, and I think those are improving it.
So I have a question. Why does it seem like a majority of people utilize pla? I ask because my dad taught me about printing on a voron v0 with abs like 2 years ago, so I've stuck primarily with abs. Second, while I understand the friendliness of pla, I feel that abs is structurally more sound. I may be blowing smoke right now, but based on my personal experiences, this is true. Finally, I feel like in order to do a real torture test, with how finicky abs can be with nozzle and chamber temperature variances, it would offer more accurate torture test results. Is there any validity to my points or have I just not had enough experience with 3d printing yet?
I wish Prusa had keep up with the others. I just can't see paying that much again for an outdated design. It's like they just sat back and watched it happen.
Prusa is still excellent. They just focus on quality and service. But yeah, I agree. You’ll see my conclusion on it soon, but I couldn’t justify spending that much if I were buying it.
I think it all depends on how much value you place on repairability and long term support. If you bought a MK2 there is still an upgrade path to the MK4. For a lot of people that kind of support is worth paying a markup for, versus an X1 where the components aren't designed to be easily replaced, so most people will end up throwing it. And you can get 2 MK4s for one X1.
@@Duevel sorry my mistake, but there was until recently I believe. There are definitely a fair few out there that have gone the whole path. The point remains though, if you bought a MK3 and grumbled about the price, the fact you can now upgrade it to a MK4S makes the value proposition a lot more tempting
I used a prusa for 5 years/ 3300 hours, never had to maintain not even a jammed nozzle. after working with other way faster brands, I came to the conclusion that a Prusa is a working horse and rarely misprint. Depending on use case, I would still recommend it, especially for business. For hobbyhist, for sure there faster machines and reliable enough to consider them better machines.
Great intro review of each printer. I hope you will do a follow-up review in a few months when you have spent much more time working with each. I would love to try the new Creality Print v5 but right now it doesn't work on Linux and the previous v4.3.7 has a crashing problem when trying to slice an object. I guess someone at Creatlity needs more programming experience for Linux. Like you, I also think the K2 Plus produces too much waste. Does it really need to do that waste tower or can that be turned off completely? I don't know why that waste tower is even needed when the same thing can be accomplished printing the supports or infill.
I going to prob get a prusa mk4s with the MMU. Might not have all the bells and whistles but the fact that its "out dated" but still on par for quality and better for reliability makes it an easy win for me. I already deal with enough issues with an ender 3 dont want any more.
Hello Jonathan, it would be interesting to have a video review on cheap filament like kingroon or other 'no name' brand? The problem to solve is, does it worth spending 25$ on a quality brand like Polymaker when you can get something around 10$?
I can actually speak to that. I've been buying random filaments for a while and the notable difference is how dry they come. generic brands have a tendency to have more water out of the box. credulity and prusa and any cubic pla and petg all come relatively dry. elegoo kingroon and aliexpress noname petg all needed a few days in my diy drybox before the stringing would reduce to acceptable rates. kingroon pla was hit and miss. some were very dry, some were very wet. another big difference is spool material. I have issues with cardboard spools that I don't see with abs spools but these could have to do with my personal setup. didn't have any issues when using the stock spool holding option but I print in a high humidity environment so I have to keep all active plastic in dispensing dryboxes. I have never had a commercial filament clog a nozzle, or jam an extruder on either my ender3v3 or my kingrron k3ps pro. seems tolerances have made it to a place where we're chasing statistics.
@@danyveilleux3864 basically yes. that's my experience. the only other notable difference is how cleanly the spools are wrapped... but I'm on the fence whether I prefer a really tight spool or a looser one... I feel tighter spools end up being more 'springy' , clinging to the spool. this can make the pulling direction change from rotating to pulling towards the feeder. at the very least this is more friction on the extruder. if your using diy boxes that are barely big enough to fit the spool it can cause the spool to collide with the walls. looser spools can unwind themselves and skip the edge of the spool and cause a snag at worst. happened a lot to me on my ender3v3 due to the gantry going to max height twice during leveling before every print.
You really missed the whole part where on the K2 klipper is on there stock and you can access fluidd without even rooting the printer, you have access to like 90% of things without rooting.
I would consider the K2 Plus, but I've not been a fan of Creality software and slicers in the past. I'm probably going with the Qidi Plus4 next since I want to print more engineering grade filaments with greater heat resistance for under the hood applications in cars. Hopefully Qidi will sort their hardware issue with the chamber heater in the next few months so I don't have to do it myself. That's the only big drawback other than the somewhat small build volume. Qidi will hopefully have their multi-material box available next year too when I'm ready to purchase.
As mentioned on the titles in the video I recorded that before I had the issue. But it’s looking like the issue is belt tension, so it’s hard to call that an issue. May have come loose in shipping somehow
Hey. I really enjoy your videos. Can you tell us what you found for the issue with thr mk4s and what part was the issue? Prusa is much more likely to replace the part with you, being an influencer, and much more likely to troubleshoot and not replace a part with us. (Now prusa is much better than other companies about that. But, every company is the same about making sure that influencers have a seemless experience, vs regular consumers)
We actually haven’t figured it out yet but we are going back and forth. To their credit, normal customers actually get BETTER service via live 24/7 chat. I wait a day for a reply by email from the marketing folks ;)
I dont sée shy going to 0.15 mm layer height zhould prevent or messnwith multicolore printing. For me i5 was a BS abswer from creality as an urgent réaction to your print. Maybe only calibration etc should works even with 0.15mm height.
@@thenextlayer I have been looking for a larger enclosed printer right now to compliment my other smaller printers and replace my older ender 5 pro from years ago. Its great to hear they stopped glueing everything inside lol. Right now my favorite printer I have is one no one ever talks about. Its the Flashforge 5M pro. Its been such a reliable champ for me. More so than my Elegoo Neptune as well. Flashforge is releasing some new, multi color and supposedly bigger build plate printers this week I think. The K2 is one of the printers on my list but I want to see what flashforge puts out before I dive into a bigger build plate. You definately gave me lorts to consider with the K2 both good and bad.
@ Ironic, as the CEO sent out a letter this week to ALL buyers of the Plus4 in 110v-120v markets saying they’d send a replacement relay (plus an extra year warranty) or full refund…!
Will be nice to see your take on it, so far it seems like an amazing machine that leap frogs many others in so many ways. The only thing it's missing is active pressure compensation in the nozzle (Bambu A1) BUT i can see why if Stratasys is going after companies like Bambu. Now you can manually set a three point range in Orca Slicer as a variable pressure advance method. Its a small difference but it's noticeable on parts that print fast They might be doing pre-sale (sale) on 11/11 as well, meaning it will be $1,000 i think.. damn, i didn't need another printer. But if this can replace them all (except for the resin printer) I'll bite the bullet for that price
It seems to, that in any parameters, the Bamboo Lab X1 Combo is the best 3D printer for now in the market (I wish I had it...). Until than, I'll make do with my improved Ender-6 printer I have :-) .... Beside that, a great review. Thanks
I really enjoy this channel and have been watching it for quite some time. However, I would appreciate it if you could include some tests for a more accurate printer assessment that allows for fair comparisons. Here are a few suggestions: 1. Input Shaping Output - This test would help identify the true speeds and accelerations that a printer can achieve, rather than relying on marketing claims. 2. Vertical Fine Artifacts (VFA) Test - Conducting this test will show at what speeds these artifacts become visible. Since this is a constant issue, it is something that cannot be fixed on a printer. 3. Dimensional Accuracy - This test should measure the accuracy right out of the box and after calibration. It would be especially useful for those planning to print engineering parts. I would really appreciate it if you could include these tests. Thank you!
Good feedback! A lot of times they don’t give access to SSH to download graphs or use proprietary software that doesn’t allow the input shaping, but the other ones, I could do. I prefer to talk about the experience rather than do technical testing but I’ll try to do better in the future.
@@thenextlayer, It's great to hear about personal experiences; I guess that's what we all appreciate in your channel. However, my engineering background sometimes craves a bit of technical comparison. Especially, during the hunt for a new hobby printer to place at home =D
“0,2mm as minimum layer for multi material” sounds like BS) And for price of K2+cms (1500usd) I already ordered Qidi Plus4 (830usd) and A1+AMS (630 usd*) - and I think this combo will perform better and more reliable) *all prices are local, sadly in Russia we don’t have better prices for Bambu machines and deals. A1+ams in local shops have a 840-890 usd price tag if in stock
@@Vallecaucanisimo HT90, but without these high temperatures for PEEK and stuff. Little bit stripped down, so that it will be affordable and can compete against the FLSUN deltas.
I have the MK4 with enclosure and MMU3. If I would have to buy a printer again, it would have been the XL with either 2 or 5 toolheads. If I ever want to switch from my MK4, I would either go for an XL or build a tool-changer Voron. It's not that I don't like the MK4, but I really miss a real tool-changer. Purging between different materials leads to a lot of waste and sometimes isn't even working well. PLA+PETG or Anything+TPU. For the MMU3, an AMS like spool rewinder that fits nicely on top of the enclosure would also be a way nicer option than the PTFE buffer spaghetti, especially if you try to fit it nicely in and around the original enclosure.
Curious what makes you so loyal to Prusa when other less expensive brands have made so much progress in recent years? I love my Prusa, but as I said, the price is a hard pill to swallow.
@@thenextlayer I like what Prusa has done for the 3D printing community and it also isn't one of the many Chinese companies with bad support or shady market tactics. I can rely on them and the printer and for many people price isn't the main factor. BambuLab was fairly new then and I'm still in mistrust of them with their cloud firmware update and encryption they built into their printers, even though their X1C was in consideration and I wasn't sure if I took the right decision between those 2. I also said I would have built a Voron. So it's more for the tool-changer, than the company itself. I dream of a big volume IDEX with additional filament changer on one toolhead. Buiding a Voron as the first 3D printer, without access to another 3D printer is pretty hard, so I didn't go that way, but I would do now.
I never understood why people love Prusa so much. The machines are super basic, cost an arm and a leg, and everything has Josef's name and/or face plastered all over it. He seems like an ego maniac.
Just a few reasons: Better quality Better support Made in EU (now also USA) Better wages for Prusa employees Reliability. Yes I have 1 Prusa printer, but also some Vorons and a Bambu Lab.
@@johan23501 I agree with the where it’s made part especially. Not that I don’t trust products made in China, but I’d prefer not to be dishing out tons of my money to them instead of allied countries.
I agree with them seeming overpriced for what they are, I expect it might be one of those things where it makes sense once you have one, but at those prices I am not about to find out tbh.. However I find it odd that people take issue with prusa putting his name on everything? Where do you think the name ford comes from? Or browning? While it isn't common here in the 3d printing space, I find it odd that people take so much issue with it.
Because, there is no convincing the reprap smoothbrains of something better than their stupid overpriced rat rod machine. They like paying more for basic, because it gives them 2 delusions to brag about. 1: its expensive, therefore good. 2: its barebones, therefore reliable. Both require your brain to have a surface smoother than a babies ass made of single layer graphene
If you run a print farm, you know why you use Prusa. I threw out all the Bambu printers after a while because I generally spent a lot more time on them than on the Prusas. They are simple to set up, have all the features you need and run for thousands of hours without you having to touch them. And if there is a problem, you have 24/7 support and can get to any part of the printer in no time. Not like with Bambu, where you have to buy half the printer again because of a belt tensioner.
@@thenextlayer I'm not up to date on why he was excluded from that program, could it be that he called them out on something and was punished for speaking his mind?
Waiting for the next Bambu Lab machine - they are the trendsetter while the rest just copy. And - curious how many FLSUN bots will proclaim how great their printer is
Haven't seen this channel for a while. Though i did see a lot of criticism on Jonathan.Whatever it was. I think the channel in evolved in a good way. Also covering a topic like this with these machines comparing eachother is really interesting. Different machines, but they are nice alternatives when you are considering buying a 3d printing machine. I am also thinking about a new machine, though i am nog sure to spend more on a machine, with less kalibrating. Or buy a cheaper machine like the sv06 ace.
This is my first time coming across your channel - within a few seconds of hearing your opening and more specifically talking about being biased seemed very genuine and honest to me. It likely shouldn’t have to be said, but you did and that meant something so please keep up the content I hope to go through select videos to catch up!
Thank you for highlighting the flaws with the Creality printers, they do need to be known. Not really surprised that Creality machines need some extra tuning and have limited profiles, that seems to be the case with a lot of their machines. Hopefully in the future they can put more effort into their profiles.
Great comparison and it's neat to see the advancements we've been seeing these last couple of years. 1 thing.. Joseph pronounces his last name and the brand name "proo- Suh" not "Proo- SHuh" lol totally nit-picking here lol
With how well Klipper works, and how easy it is to use and modify, its weird to me to see how many pronters are dropping closed source. I do love my Bambu A1, but all my other three machines are heavily modified with Klipper and aftermakret fans and hotends, and I feel like we are losing that openness for the sake of ease of print. Makes me woth all these printers had and easy mode to expert mode toggle switch.
A note about the kickstarter: You say that you "know they can sell it at that price," but I'm going to say that's not as certain as you think. Since it's a limited run and they know that price won't be forever - they can certainly have that price at a lower than usual level that is not profitable. That said - they also know they can have a high price. The reason is simple: There's nothing like it. Belt printers themselves are quite rare, and none of them are modernized like the IdeaFormer. With a market so incredibly sparse and with the competition giving up on making updated models, they basically have a monopoly, and that leads to high prices.
creailty 2.0 the middle wheel mouse buttom move stuff to the middle and moves it around the screen flsun t1 pro there is profile for the flsun orca slicer use the T1 profile i have the flsun T1 and just converted it into the t1 pro
Can't do multicolor less than a .15 layer hight?! That's stupid and a poor excuse my bambus have done them at .05 and .04 no issues. And I doubt the prusa xl has any issues of performing that task either.
Kind of disappointed that the K2 Plus only got an ~11 minute review. I don't care about the other printers. I want more K2 content. That's the big printer of the year to me.
Bro I absolutely love how you're just completely open with the sponsor thing. Anyone else would act like that doesn't affect them at all, but let's face it, If someone is helping pay your bills, you're gonna have at least SOME bias towards them, Unless you're just a complete sociopath haha
So i can't print with layer height 0.1, haha, so my older ender is capable of, the K2 PLUS actually have minus not plus in his name. So the price is increased without reason. Only the volume of 350x350x350, softs like TPU and TPE aren't supported in multicolor, so the price of the K2 PLUS combo is over rated.
What do you guys think? Are you excited about these printers, or what? Thanks for watching, and if you want to support the channel, feel free to use the referral links in the description.
Why do a premier? Just drop it. You already dangled the carrot a week ago
Managed to snag a T1 Pro at the $459 shipped price, arriving next week. For my "non critical" prints of stuff that will fit it's build volume and speed is what I need, just couldn't pass on the price.
But what to do about my MK3S+. I want multicolor, but to upgrade my Prusa (3.5, 3.9 or 4) AND get an MMU, much as I love my Prusa it's just too hard to justify the price they're asking when a P1S+AMS combo is only $750. Was hoping this video would have some news on "what's next" from Bambu (to try to decide on pulling the trigger now versus wait), but alas no.
So much bad printers and not a word for Bambu lab. I am not like Bambu nerd or something but I have tried Creality ( trash company the onlything good is latest 3d scanners), anycubic ( low quality), elegoo (low quality), Prusa ( good quality but old technology at premium cost). So sorry but Bambu is the best printer money can bay or Vororon if you want to build your own. Everything you shown is bad choise except K2 as I haven’t had the opportunity to try it.
Well, just started watching this one but already bought a T1 Pro because of a previous video from you. Should arrive here soon, I hope by the time I finish this video I don't feel like: 😒
I did some research and could not pass on the price though.
Review the Qidi Plus4 I'm sure they'll send you one if they ask, I've seen them send them to smaller youtubers
$1499 is alot of money for a printer that might work as advertised in about 12 months. If creality expects to sell at that price then they need to be releasing printers that are damn near perfect out of the box.
no printer is perfect no one expect perfect printer its bound to hgappen with new tech
@@donjohnson19 Plus other brands have issues too when they release new products. It is like people only remember the shortcomings of Creality while others like Bamboo Labs get a pass even if they end up recalling their product.
@@donjohnson19 say that to Bambu or Prusa. im not saying there wont be a single issue on launch, however, it does at bare minumum have to be have to be something other than a knockoff of another brand and perform 95% of the advertised functions as intended
The FLSun printer is a bit of a love-hate thing for me. I love the speed and the print quality, but I hate the occasional little issues. After asking around in the user groups, I found out a lot of the problems are just due to my settings. But honestly, FLSun's customer support has been pretty awesome and helped me fix a bunch of stuff. Fingers crossed they keep improving things-especially adding more user-friendly features, like remote monitoring. That’d make it so much easier to keep an eye on the print.
my t1 pro’s been running pretty great so far, the noise level seems about the same as other machines, i asked their support team about the speed settings, and they told me those are just recommendations i can tweak them however i need, oh, and i also asked about an app it's in the works, and i’m so excited for it
I have a T1, and the noise issue really bothered me for a while. But the $9.9 silent kit solved that problem. Looks like they’ve actually listened to user feedback, and honestly, I’m pretty happy with it now. Offering a wider range of configuration profiles is a great idea, and I’m looking forward to future upgrades.
glad to see flsun listening to user feedback and working on optimizing and upgrading their printers when it comes to parameter settings, everyone has unique needs It seems flsun has done extensive testing to provide well-suited configuration options, which is definitely helpful however, each print model has its own specific requirements, so a bit of fine-tuning is usually necessary
it's true that different print settings can lead to varying quality-everyone's got their own way of dialing things in. the provided profiles are a solid starting point, but there's always room for tweaks, especially in those finer details. that said, the core functionality is rock-solid. can't wait to see more updates and cool features in the future!
flsun slicer the advanced tab is unchecked for more settings?
Oh snap let me check that…
I was just gonna say that! I didn’t even notice at first-would’ve been awesome if it was on by default.
@@thenextlayer any follow up?
I'm really glad to see the Creality K2 actually is really good. I was very concerned with all their review embargos and shipping delays that it was going to be a disaster but its a relief to hear that it actually might live up to their hype. Just wish they went the tool-changer route for multi-color/filament
A toolchanger would have been a lot more expensive. If a Chinese manufacturer releases a toolchanger then I anticipate a price between $2000 and $2500.
I just bought a Prusa MK4S kit. Why did I? Because it is a kit that i can assemble, it is open source, customer support is superb, I can print parts for it in any color I want, it is a work horse, and i can keep it in the eco system that i already have.
I can definitly see that point. For my case i honestly need to say the Prusa printers seem just to stand still. They are propably the most tested and improved models out there but they lack a lot of quality of life stuff. Like Some nice chambers, Integrated spoolholders with dryers and some more stuff. If they would be priced better at this point i would buy one but they are pretty pricy too.
@@tek9058 can you upgrade the K1 to the K2?
@@Tom_makes LMAO, no.
@@Tom_makes but he can buy another K1 for the price of upgrading an existing Prusa.
In the end he has 2 printers, not just 1 😊
If this was a real question I'm sorry 😂
I made the dive on a MK4 (now MK4S) + MMU3 + Original Enclosure. All as a kit.
I did it in part due to my previous Prisa experiences (i3 were my first printer), but also in part because it's Open Source, Made in the EU, and I wanted a workhorse.
- Prusa has not disappointed.
My first ~21kg of filament and 4000 filament changes were basically without errors.
Now, the error rate is higher, simply because I experiment more with different materials and speeds.
I regularly switch between PLA, PETG, ABS, ASA,TPU, PETG-CF, PC-CF AND PLA-CF. (Haven't gotten my hands on any nylon yet).
It all goes through the MMU.
So far, I have been able to trace all errors back to myself - with one exception: some Stronghero silk glitter -pla keeps clogging my .4 nozzle...
flsun T1 Pro is $599, 2 days after this video went live. Please don't feed them by advertising their "preorder" pricing. The printer is not $399 nor $459. They always do this.
@@truectl I grabbed this printer for $545 Canadian. They covered the tax, shipping and import duties. This was the early deal. That said I still do t have the printer, going on 20 days now with nothing but a shipping label printed.
No comment about the printers themselves, but I did want to take a moment to comment on the content in general. You have come so far in your presentation skills since I first started watching you and this video is no exception. Thorough, subjective and objective views, well laid out, well-scripted...well done. Keep up the great work Jonathan!
(this comment is in no way meant to sound condescending. it was meant as praise for progress and a job well done)
Wow. I’m honored! I thought that this video was a bit all over the place but I’m so glad you have noticed the efforts we make to constantly improve! The best is yet to come
Patiently waiting for Bambu's next offering.
Same. 350mm cubed on a X1C type chassis and I'll buy 5 of them
@@MisterLongShot_Officiali will probably buy one but i also want a chamber heater. And then I’ll make the choice between the new bambu printer or the qidi plus 4 (which by then will have the current issues fixed hopefully).
I was going to buy the qidi but just ordered the K2 instead. It looks pretty good and most of the problems seem to be mostly firmware and related to the cfs which really isn't that important to me. @@hschokker86
In the trenches with this t1 pro still after 2 days. Where do I snag those profiles?
They’re on my Patreon! Lmk if you need more. Only added the two for now.
I know the svo6, 07 and 08 are the big names from Sovol right now but I wish they'd give some attention to the sv04. Tool changers and mmus might be hot right now but giving an idex little love would do wonders for people looking for a cheaper alternative.
Time saved with an IDEX can't be overstated either. If you can get by with only 2 colors in a layer, and maybe only 1-2 manual color changes throughout, it can save literal hours on a color print. I have orcaslicer's pre-heat tuned very well and each color change takes just 10 seconds on my Lulzbot Taz Pro, with more than half of that being movement to, and priming on the prime tower.
@See-essEll in my case I just need a setup for supports. I learned about how pla is great for tpu supports and it'd really help a project I have going.
Seems like a lot of 3D printers are Bata Release getting users to test them and causing them problems until they update a lot of stuff, firmware, hot end, etc; This is their time and money
@@3D_Printing that's basically the history of 3d printing, where manufacturers send you a kit, in which there's a chance it works outright, but most of the time there's a problem that you need to tweak, which in every generation will lessen.
Whenever a manufacturer takes the time to test their machines properly, they are accused of laziness or lack of innovation. It takes months to properly test and fine-tune a printer, but people always want everything immediately. You can't have it both ways.
Agreed.
@andreas.grundler Yeah how dare consumers expect the device, (that they've spent thousands of dollars on) be a fully functional finalised product.
@@fitchaj The problem is that they have contradictory expectations. It always has to be the latest technology but at the same time the machine should have been thoroughly tested. That doesn't work. You either lag behind but test your machines properly or you release a beta machine.
It's the same with software development. Users always want new features, but at the same time don't have the patience to wait for a final version and then complain that there are still bugs in the beta version.
The core features of the Flsun slicer are well done, and the basic functions are very practical. Print speed can be adjusted to fit individual needs, and overall, I’m quite satisfied with the Pro so far. I’d really look forward to them releasing an app in the future for remote monitoring and control-it would make using it so much more convenient.
Make a printer with a vertical and horizontal extruders. It would make small details on the wall look really good
FLSun seem to be kicking the ass out of the price. You said it was $399, then it went to $459. Well now, two days after your video premiered, it's advertised at $599!
thank you, you helped me wipe the drool off for that K2.
Hi Jonathan, a small correction. The nozzles for the MK4S is actually manufactured by Bondtech and not E3D.
min 28:58: the real reason prusa does not support cameras is that Stratasys has two valid patents for this feature: US8747097B2 and US8562324B2 „a video camera positioned to capture video of the build volume from a point of view”
But then why do other brands have it ?
@@Yash-c3v , if they don't have a licence to use the patent, they infringe the patent and they get sued by Stratasys (bambuLab is sued by stratasys for having a camera, among other things). Prusa does not want to get sued and also it protects its customers from being sued... They posted on github how to make a webcamera using an ESP32 device, that can be used for anything, so that they can't be subpoenaed to give the list of clients that have a printer with built-in camera. Patents are tricky. Just google the stratasys vs bambulab . Also google for patents: US8747097B2 and US8562324B2 and read them
of course they do.
@@Yash-c3v , because they don't care about being sued and because they don't care that stratasys can sue their clients. Prusa respects us. They made a fw for external esp32 cameras that can be used for anything, so they can't be sued that some unknown user uses the camera to film 3d printing...
@@Yash-c3v Because a lot of other brands (especially Chinese) don't GAF about US patents. Prusa actually has a shot at getting their products into government agencies now that they're being made in the US. That would be a huge boost to their bottom line.
Auxiliary cooling fans dont move with the print bed? So they only good for the first dozen layers or so?
The thing with creality i found is that, whenever they have a new release its always messy but they fix most of the mistakase in a few months afterwards
Are the insets on the back of the Creality CFS for additional spool MMS modules? I thought I saw in another video that the K2 would support up to 16 separate spools (or was that the Qidi?.. Too many new printers to keep straight).
Just watched your review on the k2plus and I definitely gotta agree. Creality Print has to step its game up (or let’s just hope all the features work in orca slicer soon 😉 )
Just recently learned about Eddy bed leveling and I would love to hear some people’s thoughts on it. Do you think it’ll become a standard in the 3D printing space or is it sort of like clicky bed leveling where we may see it on more custom printers?
Is there a place we can go to access your printer profiles?
Why can't the Prusa Mk4S print PA-CF out of the box? I've been printing Fiberon PA612-CF on my SV06 with the enclosure open and the prints turned out well. I printed the cooling upgrades and the bed cable support upgrade and they came out perfect. The only hardware that was changed at the time was the nozzle and software is MainSail/Klipper.
There is a lot of PETG parts on the MK4S. People have had to reprint and rebuild the parts to PCCF. Prusa has provided some PCCF parts but not all.
Looking to upgrade from my Mk3S+, and tbh this didn't help; mostly because of the caveats cited at the end of the Mk4S segment. Given the cost of a quality Voron kit, though, I'm not sure I see cost savings. Is it just that Voron is so flexible (at more expense and time), or is it something else?
As I wrote in another posting, I would go for a Voron or XL instead of the MK4, even though I'm very happy with the MK4 right now.
I just assembled my T1 Pro yesterday and aside from still needing to figure out why it talks to my LAN but not the WAN for a firmware update, it's working well. But you made one big assembly mistake - the hotend is attached to the wrong arm positions! The oval, logo'd fan shroud should be facing the front door, with the cooling tube at the back. Curiously, it seems this doesn’t affect performance? Maybe it's a symmetrical design. Also, there are small guide tubes in those black hose/cable clips that are designed to thread the filament through before the hotend. Keeps it moving alongside the hose to prevent snagging and tangling in that long run. Thanks for your vid!
Yeah I don’t think the hot end direction matters but maybe I’ll swap it. Probably not though.
@thenextlayer Wrestling those arms into position to attach it is no fun, I gotcha. Glad it's either one-time or rare.
The layer height limitation on the k2 is something I haven’t heard anyone else mention!
It’s only for multicolor apparently.
@@thenextlayer did they say why that is? I can't think of any technical reason why changing filaments would behave differently based on how high the layers are.
@@robonator2945 I am just guessing here but feels like it has something to do with the purge. Say you want to print at 0.1 layer height, you are going to be purging half the volume for a given cross section of the purge tower than if you were to print at 0.2 layer height.
New to printing, and i'd like to ask: a couple times in this video you've mentioned that some printers can print certain materials out of the box. Does this mean that most printers require some modifications or special setup for certain materials?
It’s a longer answer, but open printers can’t print ABS and nylon, and printers with brass nozzles can’t print abrasives
I'm curious why you didn't include any Bambu printers in this comparison?
Nothing new from them lately, and I no longer have a relationship with them unfortunately.
How long does the filament change takes?
The Prusa gummy bears are definitely on the higher end of the cost spectrum, but just like a pen that costs more but is refillable, it's nice to know that you won't have to throw it all away when they come out with their next iteration (plus amazing customer service is always worth extra)
I was most excited about the Sovol SV06 Ace among those because I'm still hoping to get into 3d printing. Since I would prefer to tinker less on my third printer, the truth is, I'm still more excited about the Bambu Lab A1 / A1 mini. I'm having a tough time deciding between those two and will probably use your tip from the Podcast about reviewing print-size compatibility using Orca slicer. Thanks for the great content.
yay! I am loving the k2 plus so much
I'm learning to love it. It hasn't been love at first print like the Prusa, but, I did get it well before the bugs were worked out, unlike the Prusa.... I'm still getting firmware updates very frequently, and I think those are improving it.
the Tina Linux on the K2 most likely uses "opkg" as a packet manager. you could try "opkg update" and "opkg install git".
Thanks! I will try that!!!
Is the Creality Print software cloud based? Can it be installed and used offline?
Ooooh not sure actually.
Is creality k2 good upgrade from creality k1 OG? It soot my good but i want multi color
So I have a question. Why does it seem like a majority of people utilize pla? I ask because my dad taught me about printing on a voron v0 with abs like 2 years ago, so I've stuck primarily with abs. Second, while I understand the friendliness of pla, I feel that abs is structurally more sound. I may be blowing smoke right now, but based on my personal experiences, this is true. Finally, I feel like in order to do a real torture test, with how finicky abs can be with nozzle and chamber temperature variances, it would offer more accurate torture test results. Is there any validity to my points or have I just not had enough experience with 3d printing yet?
The screw holes on the cfs are there as an alternate mounting point for the filament buffer. No idea about the barrel jack though.
Thanks for being honest and making great reviews!
I wish Prusa had keep up with the others. I just can't see paying that much again for an outdated design. It's like they just sat back and watched it happen.
Prusa is still excellent. They just focus on quality and service. But yeah, I agree. You’ll see my conclusion on it soon, but I couldn’t justify spending that much if I were buying it.
I think it all depends on how much value you place on repairability and long term support. If you bought a MK2 there is still an upgrade path to the MK4. For a lot of people that kind of support is worth paying a markup for, versus an X1 where the components aren't designed to be easily replaced, so most people will end up throwing it. And you can get 2 MK4s for one X1.
@@russellkeyes3984 There is no upgrade path from MK2 to MK4S.
@@Duevel sorry my mistake, but there was until recently I believe. There are definitely a fair few out there that have gone the whole path. The point remains though, if you bought a MK3 and grumbled about the price, the fact you can now upgrade it to a MK4S makes the value proposition a lot more tempting
I used a prusa for 5 years/ 3300 hours, never had to maintain not even a jammed nozzle.
after working with other way faster brands, I came to the conclusion that a Prusa is a working horse and rarely misprint.
Depending on use case, I would still recommend it, especially for business.
For hobbyhist, for sure there faster machines and reliable enough to consider them better machines.
I print most multi color in .16. The fact that creality says not to run below .20 would be a deal killer. Not for the kind of money they want.
Great video thank you! Would be happy if you could do deep dive on mk4s with mmu3
+1
Great intro review of each printer. I hope you will do a follow-up review in a few months when you have spent much more time working with each.
I would love to try the new Creality Print v5 but right now it doesn't work on Linux and the previous v4.3.7 has a crashing problem when trying to slice an object. I guess someone at Creatlity needs more programming experience for Linux.
Like you, I also think the K2 Plus produces too much waste. Does it really need to do that waste tower or can that be turned off completely? I don't know why that waste tower is even needed when the same thing can be accomplished printing the supports or infill.
Fantastic video Jonathan. Thanks for putting that together.
You're very welcome.
I have rooted my ender 3 v3 and my v3 kE, with the same procedure, have you tried to install the CREALITY HELPER SCRIPT that is on their wiki
I going to prob get a prusa mk4s with the MMU. Might not have all the bells and whistles but the fact that its "out dated" but still on par for quality and better for reliability makes it an easy win for me. I already deal with enough issues with an ender 3 dont want any more.
Why didn’t you print the same print on the k1 with 0.2 layer height. Now we have an apples and oranges comparison.
Ran out of those colors
Hello Jonathan, it would be interesting to have a video review on cheap filament like kingroon or other 'no name' brand? The problem to solve is, does it worth spending 25$ on a quality brand like Polymaker when you can get something around 10$?
I can actually speak to that. I've been buying random filaments for a while and the notable difference is how dry they come. generic brands have a tendency to have more water out of the box. credulity and prusa and any cubic pla and petg all come relatively dry. elegoo kingroon and aliexpress noname petg all needed a few days in my diy drybox before the stringing would reduce to acceptable rates. kingroon pla was hit and miss. some were very dry, some were very wet.
another big difference is spool material. I have issues with cardboard spools that I don't see with abs spools but these could have to do with my personal setup. didn't have any issues when using the stock spool holding option but I print in a high humidity environment so I have to keep all active plastic in dispensing dryboxes.
I have never had a commercial filament clog a nozzle, or jam an extruder on either my ender3v3 or my kingrron k3ps pro. seems tolerances have made it to a place where we're chasing statistics.
@@valseedian Wow thank you for this information. Basically the quality is about the same as long as I take the time to dehumidify them.
@@danyveilleux3864 basically yes. that's my experience. the only other notable difference is how cleanly the spools are wrapped... but I'm on the fence whether I prefer a really tight spool or a looser one... I feel tighter spools end up being more 'springy' , clinging to the spool. this can make the pulling direction change from rotating to pulling towards the feeder. at the very least this is more friction on the extruder. if your using diy boxes that are barely big enough to fit the spool it can cause the spool to collide with the walls. looser spools can unwind themselves and skip the edge of the spool and cause a snag at worst. happened a lot to me on my ender3v3 due to the gantry going to max height twice during leveling before every print.
This is such a massive can of worms for so many different reasons I understand why people haven't done it
You really missed the whole part where on the K2 klipper is on there stock and you can access fluidd without even rooting the printer, you have access to like 90% of things without rooting.
You are right, I missed that! I just want Octoeverywhere I don’t care about Fluidd
I would consider the K2 Plus, but I've not been a fan of Creality software and slicers in the past. I'm probably going with the Qidi Plus4 next since I want to print more engineering grade filaments with greater heat resistance for under the hood applications in cars. Hopefully Qidi will sort their hardware issue with the chamber heater in the next few months so I don't have to do it myself. That's the only big drawback other than the somewhat small build volume. Qidi will hopefully have their multi-material box available next year too when I'm ready to purchase.
hell, my ender 3 even has remote printing and monitoring, lol, what were they thinking about the K2 not having that from stock?!
Other videos show that the K2 has this from stock. Possibly a problem with the Mac version of the slicer.
I want a review on the different mmus
I would like to compare this video with your bambulab review video. Which bambulab video has your recent updated thoughts and opinions?
I haven’t done a Bambu review in ages.
Would you be likely to just preorder the next one and review it without any embargo?
Will there be a video for each printer?
Nope. All in one video
@@thenextlayershort, sweet and to the point
have you heard about the Bambu's new H2D printer that's in development
So the prusa printers don’t have issues even though prusa wants to replace your printer because of issues you are having with it? 😅
As mentioned on the titles in the video I recorded that before I had the issue. But it’s looking like the issue is belt tension, so it’s hard to call that an issue. May have come loose in shipping somehow
Hey. I really enjoy your videos.
Can you tell us what you found for the issue with thr mk4s and what part was the issue?
Prusa is much more likely to replace the part with you, being an influencer, and much more likely to troubleshoot and not replace a part with us.
(Now prusa is much better than other companies about that. But, every company is the same about making sure that influencers have a seemless experience, vs regular consumers)
We actually haven’t figured it out yet but we are going back and forth. To their credit, normal customers actually get BETTER service via live 24/7 chat. I wait a day for a reply by email from the marketing folks ;)
I dont sée shy going to 0.15 mm layer height zhould prevent or messnwith multicolore printing. For me i5 was a BS abswer from creality as an urgent réaction to your print. Maybe only calibration etc should works even with 0.15mm height.
Thanks for the great video. Ive been waiting for a K2 plus update.
You're very welcome :) What do you think after seeing my review?
@@thenextlayer sounds like things will be somewhat sorted by the time k2c releases..
@@thenextlayer feels like similarly to K1 series it's better to wait until Creality polish all the small issues after initial release.
@@thenextlayer I have been looking for a larger enclosed printer right now to compliment my other smaller printers and replace my older ender 5 pro from years ago. Its great to hear they stopped glueing everything inside lol. Right now my favorite printer I have is one no one ever talks about. Its the Flashforge 5M pro. Its been such a reliable champ for me. More so than my Elegoo Neptune as well. Flashforge is releasing some new, multi color and supposedly bigger build plate printers this week I think. The K2 is one of the printers on my list but I want to see what flashforge puts out before I dive into a bigger build plate. You definately gave me lorts to consider with the K2 both good and bad.
Where the heck is the Qidi Plus4?! Some think it’s the Bambu killer (at least for those manufactured more recently).
They don’t send me printers anymore after I made a short complaining that one of their boards fried and they didn’t cover under warranty
@ Ironic, as the CEO sent out a letter this week to ALL buyers of the Plus4 in 110v-120v markets saying they’d send a replacement relay (plus an extra year warranty) or full refund…!
Im stoked about this K2 Plus and VERY interested in the T1 Pro
I would have bought a MK4 myself as I too love Prusa, but bought A1 printers instead at a cost of under $400 Canadian!
Multicolor K2 max X Bambu Lab x1 with ams
Poops comparison, time to print, etc
Can't wait man!❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉
Will be nice to see your take on it, so far it seems like an amazing machine that leap frogs many others in so many ways. The only thing it's missing is active pressure compensation in the nozzle (Bambu A1) BUT i can see why if Stratasys is going after companies like Bambu. Now you can manually set a three point range in Orca Slicer as a variable pressure advance method. Its a small difference but it's noticeable on parts that print fast
They might be doing pre-sale (sale) on 11/11 as well, meaning it will be $1,000 i think.. damn, i didn't need another printer. But if this can replace them all (except for the resin printer) I'll bite the bullet for that price
It seems to, that in any parameters, the Bamboo Lab X1 Combo is the best 3D printer for now in the market (I wish I had it...).
Until than, I'll make do with my improved Ender-6 printer I have :-) ....
Beside that, a great review. Thanks
With the competitors coming up, I'm excited to see what Bambu Lab has cooked for future printers, it's about time for them to release a new one.
I really enjoy this channel and have been watching it for quite some time. However, I would appreciate it if you could include some tests for a more accurate printer assessment that allows for fair comparisons. Here are a few suggestions:
1. Input Shaping Output - This test would help identify the true speeds and accelerations that a printer can achieve, rather than relying on marketing claims.
2. Vertical Fine Artifacts (VFA) Test - Conducting this test will show at what speeds these artifacts become visible. Since this is a constant issue, it is something that cannot be fixed on a printer.
3. Dimensional Accuracy - This test should measure the accuracy right out of the box and after calibration. It would be especially useful for those planning to print engineering parts.
I would really appreciate it if you could include these tests. Thank you!
Good feedback! A lot of times they don’t give access to SSH to download graphs or use proprietary software that doesn’t allow the input shaping, but the other ones, I could do. I prefer to talk about the experience rather than do technical testing but I’ll try to do better in the future.
@@thenextlayer, It's great to hear about personal experiences; I guess that's what we all appreciate in your channel. However, my engineering background sometimes craves a bit of technical comparison. Especially, during the hunt for a new hobby printer to place at home =D
“0,2mm as minimum layer for multi material” sounds like BS) And for price of K2+cms (1500usd) I already ordered Qidi Plus4 (830usd) and A1+AMS (630 usd*) - and I think this combo will perform better and more reliable)
*all prices are local, sadly in Russia we don’t have better prices for Bambu machines and deals. A1+ams in local shops have a 840-890 usd price tag if in stock
To be honest I am really curios what Prusa will come up with, given the trend of the market is corexy printers.
Mini-XL or HT90 light would be nice.
@drstefankrank yeah that HT90 is super sweet. I want one but $10k is just nuts. I rather buy an XL, which I might.
@@Vallecaucanisimo HT90, but without these high temperatures for PEEK and stuff. Little bit stripped down, so that it will be affordable and can compete against the FLSUN deltas.
it's supposed to be available to buy in January or February
I have the MK4 with enclosure and MMU3. If I would have to buy a printer again, it would have been the XL with either 2 or 5 toolheads. If I ever want to switch from my MK4, I would either go for an XL or build a tool-changer Voron.
It's not that I don't like the MK4, but I really miss a real tool-changer. Purging between different materials leads to a lot of waste and sometimes isn't even working well. PLA+PETG or Anything+TPU. For the MMU3, an AMS like spool rewinder that fits nicely on top of the enclosure would also be a way nicer option than the PTFE buffer spaghetti, especially if you try to fit it nicely in and around the original enclosure.
Curious what makes you so loyal to Prusa when other less expensive brands have made so much progress in recent years? I love my Prusa, but as I said, the price is a hard pill to swallow.
@@thenextlayer I like what Prusa has done for the 3D printing community and it also isn't one of the many Chinese companies with bad support or shady market tactics. I can rely on them and the printer and for many people price isn't the main factor. BambuLab was fairly new then and I'm still in mistrust of them with their cloud firmware update and encryption they built into their printers, even though their X1C was in consideration and I wasn't sure if I took the right decision between those 2.
I also said I would have built a Voron. So it's more for the tool-changer, than the company itself. I dream of a big volume IDEX with additional filament changer on one toolhead.
Buiding a Voron as the first 3D printer, without access to another 3D printer is pretty hard, so I didn't go that way, but I would do now.
I never understood why people love Prusa so much. The machines are super basic, cost an arm and a leg, and everything has Josef's name and/or face plastered all over it. He seems like an ego maniac.
Just a few reasons:
Better quality
Better support
Made in EU (now also USA)
Better wages for Prusa employees
Reliability.
Yes I have 1 Prusa printer, but also some Vorons and a Bambu Lab.
@@johan23501 I agree with the where it’s made part especially. Not that I don’t trust products made in China, but I’d prefer not to be dishing out tons of my money to them instead of allied countries.
I agree with them seeming overpriced for what they are, I expect it might be one of those things where it makes sense once you have one, but at those prices I am not about to find out tbh.. However I find it odd that people take issue with prusa putting his name on everything? Where do you think the name ford comes from? Or browning? While it isn't common here in the 3d printing space, I find it odd that people take so much issue with it.
Because, there is no convincing the reprap smoothbrains of something better than their stupid overpriced rat rod machine. They like paying more for basic, because it gives them 2 delusions to brag about. 1: its expensive, therefore good. 2: its barebones, therefore reliable. Both require your brain to have a surface smoother than a babies ass made of single layer graphene
If you run a print farm, you know why you use Prusa. I threw out all the Bambu printers after a while because I generally spent a lot more time on them than on the Prusas.
They are simple to set up, have all the features you need and run for thousands of hours without you having to touch them. And if there is a problem, you have 24/7 support and can get to any part of the printer in no time.
Not like with Bambu, where you have to buy half the printer again because of a belt tensioner.
Nathan Builds Robots loved the K2, keen to see what others think...
Hopefully being publicly banned from Bambu’s affiliate program hasn’t influenced his opinions at all, right?
@@thenextlayer I'm not up to date on why he was excluded from that program, could it be that he called them out on something and was punished for speaking his mind?
The strobing effect on Mac’s is a long term bug on Creality slicer. I was hoping their 5.0 revamp would fix it but alas…..
Dammit I was hoping it was a quick fix. So annoying.
Waiting for the next Bambu Lab machine - they are the trendsetter while the rest just copy. And - curious how many FLSUN bots will proclaim how great their printer is
Haven't seen this channel for a while. Though i did see a lot of criticism on Jonathan.Whatever it was. I think the channel in evolved in a good way. Also covering a topic like this with these machines comparing eachother is really interesting. Different machines, but they are nice alternatives when you are considering buying a 3d printing machine. I am also thinking about a new machine, though i am nog sure to spend more on a machine, with less kalibrating. Or buy a cheaper machine like the sv06 ace.
Welcome back! We are going strong over here.
This is my first time coming across your channel - within a few seconds of hearing your opening and more specifically talking about being biased seemed very genuine and honest to me. It likely shouldn’t have to be said, but you did and that meant something so please keep up the content I hope to go through select videos to catch up!
Wow thanks so much! Glad you appreciated it.
Thank you for highlighting the flaws with the Creality printers, they do need to be known. Not really surprised that Creality machines need some extra tuning and have limited profiles, that seems to be the case with a lot of their machines. Hopefully in the future they can put more effort into their profiles.
Great comparison and it's neat to see the advancements we've been seeing these last couple of years.
1 thing.. Joseph pronounces his last name and the brand name "proo- Suh" not "Proo- SHuh" lol totally nit-picking here lol
With how well Klipper works, and how easy it is to use and modify, its weird to me to see how many pronters are dropping closed source. I do love my Bambu A1, but all my other three machines are heavily modified with Klipper and aftermakret fans and hotends, and I feel like we are losing that openness for the sake of ease of print. Makes me woth all these printers had and easy mode to expert mode toggle switch.
Correction : Prusa build volume = 250 x 210 x 220 mm
Oh snap you’re right. My bad.
A note about the kickstarter: You say that you "know they can sell it at that price," but I'm going to say that's not as certain as you think. Since it's a limited run and they know that price won't be forever - they can certainly have that price at a lower than usual level that is not profitable. That said - they also know they can have a high price. The reason is simple: There's nothing like it. Belt printers themselves are quite rare, and none of them are modernized like the IdeaFormer. With a market so incredibly sparse and with the competition giving up on making updated models, they basically have a monopoly, and that leads to high prices.
creailty 2.0 the middle wheel mouse buttom move stuff to the middle and moves it around the screen flsun t1 pro there is profile for the flsun orca slicer use the T1 profile i have the flsun T1 and just converted it into the t1 pro
I don’t have a mouse I use a trackpad
@@thenextlayercommand-left click
Can't do multicolor less than a .15 layer hight?! That's stupid and a poor excuse my bambus have done them at .05 and .04 no issues. And I doubt the prusa xl has any issues of performing that task either.
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Creality K2 shows just how far ahead bambulab was when they released the X1.
True.
Kind of disappointed that the K2 Plus only got an ~11 minute review. I don't care about the other printers. I want more K2 content. That's the big printer of the year to me.
Good disclaimer! 👍🙏
It should be possible to print multicolor with any layer height.
20:54 I really appreciate you showing the spaghetti
1. I will not be doing a lot of multi color changing. Technology for that in my opinion is not
Robust enough yet
Bro I absolutely love how you're just completely open with the sponsor thing. Anyone else would act like that doesn't affect them at all, but let's face it, If someone is helping pay your bills, you're gonna have at least SOME bias towards them, Unless you're just a complete sociopath haha
Thanks I was hoping folks would get it and appreciate that.
So i can't print with layer height 0.1, haha, so my older ender is capable of, the K2 PLUS actually have minus not plus in his name. So the price is increased without reason. Only the volume of 350x350x350, softs like TPU and TPE aren't supported in multicolor, so the price of the K2 PLUS combo is over rated.
So Creality is saying no HueForge if you can’t change colors at fine layers
Oooh never realised that! Huge mistake 😅