This is so true. Wins feel very cheap or unsatisfying in this game and I play Steve which needs a lot of work. And still, I get the same boring feeling when I win with Heihachi even when I win with Steve
@@sayedomairsiam6344As a lowly hardstuck Fujin Lee who fought like 9 Heihachis in ranked today, that dude feels like a boss battle😂 probably gotta lab it
@@sayedomairsiam6344 lol are we playing the same game? Maybe rank up till you hit your skill floor if that's the case because at like Bushin and up every round with Steve is earned.
I agree with you on that. I've met many players who clearly got carried by their character rather than their own skills. And even if I win against those players I don't feel happy but anger due to the state of the game. These players rely heavily on those launchers and combos that take 50 - 60% health, they lack serious fundamentals. If it adds any context I main Steve by the way and boy is it tough out there with all these gimmicks.
KoF players refused to play the newest titles until they felt that it was up to their standards. Tekken players should do the same if they really feel this way.
Would be the case if the costs of development and scope weren't as large. A game that flops (low sales, low player base etc.) usually gets no sequel. No company is going to greenlight a 40-100m usd for a project thta previously flopped or even wasn't as finincially sound. That's the reality of gaming in the AAA space, and it won't change until investment from big companies diminishes to aorund 20% of what it is today, as it is much easier to lose 2m than 10m+
Tekken 8 is a very attractive game for newcomers to fighting games. 2 of my friends who’ve never played a fighting game purchased it at full price. 3 others have stated interested in purchasing the game prior to the formers purchase. The average layperson is a “graphics first” type person and tekken has basicaly the best graphics in the “popular” fighting game scene
yeah thats how it is in real life fighting sports, but if high level gameplay revolves around just labbing setups then what its the poing of even playing the game? a player with no basics whatsoever shouldnt be able to compete at the top just by knowing 3 setups
He is just salty. He's not wrong in his observation, but his salt is clear. He only complains whenever he loses. Just look, he placed 65th place in PPG battle champ. And then not too soon after he twitted that. He lost to that Lili TGU and complained. He lost to some other guy and complained that it was his controller, etc, etc. He only complains about the game if he's not beating everyone.
@@xeonthehero9090Whether you’re good at the game or not, attack the point. Not him being salty. Being salty doesn’t have anything to do with whether he’s right or wrong.
Naw let's use our critical thinking hat here. Arslan went all in on Tekken and got sponsored, his life style depends on winning tourneys or at least placing high. If he got knocked out at 65th that's a big blow to his image. It's crazy he's saying " one launcher + 1 50/50" when every character has get off me tools in their kits everyone has to respect. And the universal armor of heat. The problem is he can't just "figure out" Tekken 8 like he could Tekken 7, in this game you can't just lab a character and know 90 percent how to beat them.
Another very important correction: they made the stage free and added it to the base game as included compensation, meaning it’s now available for everyone.
@professoremil another VERY very important correction: Only the NEXT dlc stage (that will be released in winter) will be free. You still need to pay for the Heihachi temple stage and like OP said, you cannot use Tekken Coins. 😊
The literal champion of tekken right now doesn’t like how the game is played, idk how anyone can speak against that lol. Dude literally beats everyone in the game right now, and doesn’t like it the way it is.
He's just not though? He popped on the scene in Tekken 7, the most defensive, one dimensional, CH string heavy version of the game and spammed back dash and jab with kazumi. He then tier hopped through the DLC characters till the end of T7. Now that people have actual threats other than 2 moves like in T7 all the sudden, "the games bad", "It's just launch and 50/50". Lol T7 was just launch and the round was over so everyone just poked all day and kbd.
A lot of people argue that his opinions on the game are tied to his performance. When he does well he's positive, when he loses it's the complete opposite. I remember at the start of the year when all that Xiaoyu drama happened because Yoredz beat him decisively in a FT10. We had people on twitter seriously wanting to delete entire moves of Xiaoyu's all because of the shitstorm Arslan & Knee caused on twitter after they played him. And now? Nobody cares anymore despite her remaining relatively untouched.
Important context that non-Tekken players in these comments do not have: Arslan had no complaints when he won his EVO. He then made that tweet not an hour after placing 65th. He also has a history of being salty on twitter. The current champion of Tekken is undeniably Ulsan, who has only commented on the matter to make fun of people saying that the TK7 defensive playstyle should come back because it was boring and unfun to watch. This video is just theScore farming controversial titles, not to be taken seriously.
6:37 I don't think buying a Map or Character with Tekken Coins is possible 💀💀💀 that would be too easy and convenient since you get a few from that dreaded Fight Pass
I think the problem is Bandai trying to make the game easier, but not really exploring what new players need, instead of that, they decided to just make modification and add mechanics that makes new players skip steps within the game just so they can beat better by abusing the 50/50 without even having to make strategies
Bamco catered to the western audience because the way the asians/pakistani's play the game requires a lot of patience and focus....something the west can't maintain for too long. Look at the character picks in the west compared to that of tge east...Look at tge playstyles...How many times have you seen a western player SS and df2 his opponent like AA or Knee has done regularly..?? Or better yet...Knee vs AA Evo 2019...Kazumi vs DJ....The way AA systematically kept SSL Knee to whiff punish DJ...Have you ever seen a western player that focused..?? Naaah...This game was specifically designed for the west because they were LOSING that battle..!!!
@@Max-f3 no...maybe not....but overall the casual western players are impatient and want to rush rush things. In higher ranks it might not be that rush rush but when a western higher ranked ( Fujin & above ) goes to the east he'll soon face a harsh reality check because in the east he will be Vanquisher - Tenryu at best. In high competetive gameplay it might be a lil bit higher. The east overall have always been more calculating and can easily make western opponents make simple mistakes thus punishing them with ease.. Some might not agree with my take on this but it's a game of chess when playing Tekken and the east are faar better than the west regarding that playstyle. Have you seen the latest korean tournament finals between Ulsan & Knee...? There were sooo many WTF moments during that encounter. Ask yourself if you'll ever see a western plager play like that..?
@LongjoyNl I agree with you take on this completely. I'm just saying western countries are not the same with one another. You cannot compare South America with kanada, or USA with eastern Europe. It's like comparing Phillipines with China, or india with japan. West and East cannot be viewed as a whole. I'm not only talking about tekken here. And back to tekken. The big difference is that tekken was never played religiously in western countries. The sense of community is very different. No people gathering in arcades competing with eachother. But because of this, eastern players are not unique. Anyway I agree with your take on this, really. Just trying to point out the bigger picture. Oh and the punishment with mistakes. I really think winning by letting your opponent make mistakes is smart and profitable. But you will never evolve as a player doing that. My opinion.
@Max-f3 oh but that's why I'm also saying overall..I know it's a bit difficult to elaborate because I also know what you mean.. Thing is...the west their 'opinion' is mostly dominated by NA ( USA ) and after that Europe if you look at most reactions online.
This is the first Tekken game I simply stopped having fun in and just dropped. 300hrs in and one day I woke up and said “nah there are better fighting games out im done”
I dropped at 270 hours in 8, i'd rather play Coin Flip sim than this. At least that doesn't force monetization down my throat and does not require a total 180 in mechanics and balance
Enough with the juggle shenanigans 2D has you in a stun animation when you're perform a combo you can't move there basically the same thing but different scenarios stop the CAP
@@shenelljohnson74 Bro...compare a basic Tekken 8 bnb from anyone to a button into DRC confirm from SF6: T8 combo would barely be halfway when SF6 combo ends and still deal more damage for no resources.
@@theuzi8516 That's a fair point, but Street Fighter is best 2 out of three rounds while Tekken is best 3 of 5. Plus, juggle damage counts as gray health which can be recovered in multiple ways.
The bottom line is that bad players get tools to beat good players without actually having to be better and games are boring. This is on every level. People who find this fun are the ones benefiting from it.
They LOVE to claim people are complaining because they suck. If you can't deal with azucena spamming her running attack NON STOP remember that's YOUR problem. If you don't like fighting 3 dragonovs,then a top tier king,followed by 3 Bryan's and 2 more dragonovs then that means YOU need to labe the game more. If you get caught by a super long low from Kuma or feng that's YOUR fault. You too slow😒
@@Tk.Bogarts easy to spam his evo combos. Easy to play up down all game. Trip to kick you soon as you get up uppercut to wall combo to another trip to start al over again. How fun 😒
Lifelong Tekken player here. The game is just trash. They dropped the ball on this one. I could go on for hours about all the things wrong with it but in general it's just bad mechanics. Heat sucks, the aggressive philosophy isn't fun, the micro-transactions and heartless actions of the money hungry namcops are all just getting to be too much. The games just not fun. I agree with Arslan, it legitimately makes your mood worse and makes you feel bad. There's no fixing this... they're in too deep.
Tag 2 and Tekken 7 while having huge issues that did frustrate me. Both games kept me coming back for their entire lifespan. Tekken 8 is a little over six months in and I don’t play anymore and same goes for my friends who played these games with me from day 1. I truly believe they’ve taken the game into the wrong direction and don’t see people like me as the target audience anymore.
About the 500 Tekken coins, you can't actually buy the stage with coins, you still have to pay 5 very big, very real, buckeronis. Please add in a correction, this info is wrong, don't spread misinformation.
I flew 3 hours to get to my capital city to catch up with people within my community and play at locals in person, which I don't get to do often because I live remote. In T7 era, there would be a minimum of 10 setups with people queing up to play. I went yesterday for Tekken 8 (which I primarily went to see people, not play the game) and Tekken was relegated to a corner with 4 set-ups with everything else being street fighter and other retro fighters. I was there for 5 hours and people were not queuing to play. Set-ups were vacant, and there was zero hype. Spoke to members of the community only to be told most of the guys I grew up playing T7 stopped playing because they disliked T8. It actually made me sad, but I completely understood it. Were 10 months into the game and the competitive scene in my capital city is already dead. No one cares about this game, and I saw it first hand in my own community.
Important and crucial correction: you CANNOT buy the genmaji stage with Tekken coins. The 500 coins really dont matter in that regard. If you want the stage you have to pay real money NOW. it does not matter if you bought the ultimate edition, you will not get the genmaji stage without paying for it extra NOW.
@@wantu7816we bring up those games for movement. Not for balance. Did you even read what have been said here? Buff "movement" like those games mentioned No one said have same balanced "moveset" like those games
Bruh this is horrible and the heat combo longevity is definitely hard hitting with the Mishimas because damn once i get launched by them, then they go into heat, I'm cooked like no chance to retaliate, it's just absolutely cheap
@@--delirious--4136 Respectfully, he is the literal director and face of Tekken. Giving him the heat might actually yield results to a degree. Bamco can more easily ignore these things?
It doesn't matter if the top pro says the game is bad. Punk who is still the best NA Street Fighter 6 player complains about mechanics in 6 because he came from Street Fighter 5 and was a pro in that. Arslan was from Tekken 7 and complains about 8's mechanics. Same deal. These players want the game they fell in love with but are forcing themselves to play the new entries hoping it's the old game. Regardless of this I do think Tekken 8 has some issues though lol
Implement "classic mode": No heat; no rage art; no power crushes; sidestep and backdash animation speed increased 5% for all characters. Then slowly promote this mode until it eventually becomes more popular and replaces the "standard" mode. Nobody is going to miss heat.
I think the issue isn’t just the 50/50’s it’s the character’s frame data when applying it. When Kazuya ops for oki using FF 4 or Hell sweep, if it is blocked kazuya’s turn is recognizably over and he takes a full combo. Most characters that are top tier never give up their turn while applying their true 50/50s. You’re locked in a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. It’s even worse when the opponent is a xiaoyu and every move looks like it can either go mid or low.
@@eddy3080Tekken alpha build is the only true Tekken, everyone who likes anything after that (including release version of Tekken 1) is either a scrub or a shill
Variance its not about the top players can get top 8, its about places those players get a tournament, you cannot have same dominance like tekken 6, tag 2 and tekken 7
People hate on arslan and even tho he is a meta h**, he is right. This game is all about 50/50 and guessing. If i wanna guess then i go to a casino. Guessing has nothing to do with skill but rather luck.
I agree to a certain extent. I think there is room for making estimated guesses on your opponent - reading your opponent is a fundamentally important part of Tekken, like attacking with timing, etc. But when its put down to a true 50/50 at the critical moments, intuition isn't really serving a purpose.
Bandai Namco should have just let SCVI have their formula to themselves. Copying that made no sense for Tekken. It only works in SCVI because of the length of combos, the more simplistic/shorter command list and difference in weapons. Just go back, Bamco. Go back. It doesn't mix.
@leonelgarcia2651 Yes. " Project Soul ". Its THEIR fault. Shimbori from " DOA " is also responsible for the stage interactions. Shit, even " Akira " behind the graphics for " Fighting EX Layer " had something to do with how T8 looks and possibly even feels. The meeting they all had together gave birth to what we're dealing with RIGHT NOW.
@leonelgarcia2651 Another cookie crumb on " Project Soul " .... look at some of Yoshimitsu's moves. Look at the nunchucks on Law. Alisa kinda suspect in chainsaw mode. Now look at Victor in GENERAL.
I get the feeling that Tekken is writing itself into a corner. Older games didnt need 100+ moves, long combos, or a plethora of stances and mixups to feel fun. I feel like every new Tekken just feels to add MORE moves and LONGER combos and 1up the previous entry without even checking to see if the product has become bloated, which I think it has.
They actually fixed a bunch of issues that came from T7. But people tend to hate on changes, if they wouldn't change it people would also hate. There's absolutely no winning for the Tekken team on this one, right now it's actually in a good state and still improving. Once T9 eventually releases the same thing will happen again, T8 will be named as "real Tekken" and T9 will be hated just as hard. For instance, T7 was also considered trash early on.
Going full attack was always going to be an huge unbalanced direction for the game in long term. Tekken needs more defensive play style to be balanced, nerfing characters won’t save it unfortunately
every character in T8 can wall carry and deal more damage than paul lol. launch punishables in T7 which is understandable, dont work anymore. even behind a character doing strings can instantly turn their face on you 😂
The problem is that people have been saying this since before launch but the response from Harada and Namco has been "Get good, look at how successful it is and look at how many people are playing at launch" which has been frustrating to say the least.
Adding in get in for free mechanics, nuking movement, adding even more wall Carry mechanics than screw provided. T7 was bad and by the end we didn’t think it could get worse…. Then it did, anyone saying tekken 7 was too defensive was mad, compared to real legacy tekken like ttt1 movement was a joke in that game too. as a fighting game player i envy the legacy preservation games like CS has.
This is what happens when Tekken's defensive systems honed over decades get thrown out the window for 'aggresive play' and wider audience appeal. Turns out it's bad for your competitive game if you remove decision making and interaction points from your game.
Arslan is already a Tekken 8 champion but guys in the comments are saying he's wrong because he lost. The Tekken community is actually unhinged, Every other FGC listens to their GOATS.
100% factually incorrect. There is no fan base that treats their goats as having perfect opinions. Not in strive, street fighter or Mortal Kombat. Stop glazing
Yeah... He wants Tekken 7 back so he can win more, there are plenty of people that just want to press buttons, it's a game not one person's cash cow so he can win titles over and over. T7 was hella boring and if you want to play "real tekken" there are characters for that. Knee uses Brian. Tekkenicain uses Steve to great effect, there are a lot of people having fun and mastering the game and a small minority being super loud.
@johnsmith-ol9qj your argument is pretty stupid tbh. It's not about him being salty or not winning. Look at his argument. Its absolutely true. The game basically has no neutral, and the 50/50s are just way too much. And its not even that balanced.
If the #1 ranker and 5x Champion Arslan Ash says that Tekken-8 has a problem, it definitely has a problem. I'm a Game Developer too so his criticism on Tekken-8 makes even more sense to me.........
This crisis only exists in twitter... far from me to say Arslan is wrong or not legitimate in his observations and complains etc, but Tekken has always been very volatile, that's why matches are best of 5 rounds. It would be cool if you covered some analysis of how fighting games work every now and then, i imagine it would help everyone who appreciates the genere and follows a bit through channels like this every now and then and also the hosts. 50/50s are not meant to be reacted like you say around 1:45, it's a guess, and that's why it's a 50/50, because it's not about reacting it's a coinflip, you have to READ what the opponent will do
@@Bovineicide game being dead or alive can't be measured by twitch viewership when there are literally bath tub streams with millions of viewers. Clearly people on twitch are interested in something else. We should look at steam numbers and it's doing well
T8 is in absolute trash state. Of course, any game is allowed to be broken on release, but sometime in June devs said "no more major balance patching until 2025". And this approach can't be justified by any reasonable human being. They didn't stop adding paid content, mind you.
As a Feng main, I gotta say the Tekken 7 Feng Wei was much better as compared to the Tekken 8 one, the Character is and was OP no doubt and had almost every desired tool, but the Tekken 7 one was much more Approachable, hitting the combos was much satisfying for me personally.
exactly what i have been thinking. great video and I don't think tekken 8 is perfect either but I have no idea why this is the breaking point either just super perplexing.
Funny that Tekken pros are coming to the same conclusion about the game that I came to after playing it for 3 days. I like Tekken, but there's so much guessing in this game that a lot of wins and losses feel unearned.
this is what players have been talking about. Only dragunov has the best and decent backdash right now while the rest of the roster backdash for their lives and still get clapped by 50-50s
been saying the same thing since the beta, heat and immense combo damage just encourages this boring guessing game playstyle at all levels because defensive options are so weak now that the only way to win is by blowing the other guy up first
So you know why pros played that way with only backdashing and pokes every 10 seconds in T7? Because one launcher carries you to the wall for most of your health and then one 50/50 mix on oki was enough to finish you off. Funny that Plus everyone had crazy good CH tools, and sidestepping was terrible.
Yep, exactly that. If you actually play Tekken, these videos and comments make no sense. Tekken 8 might have flaws and is far from a perfect game but it's a serious step up from 7.
I'm also fairly confident what makes the game more frustrating is the chip damage especially when a character has heat on. Even if you defend well and be patient enough to learn opponent patterns, your HP is already too little to work with and losing 1 50/50 encounter will cost you the round.
What you have to understand is that Tekken has always been a 2-3 touch game and snowballs easily the reason why tekken 7 was so alow was because you can gey counterhit or low parry randomly and just die after a wallcombo and they made movement so shit while every string had amazing tracking it felt like you were forced to play a 2D game with just backdash and dash forward avoid a counterhit thats the reason why Tekken 8 released with heat what I dont like about T8 is that you can be put into a 50/50 guess more often but not having the tools to like backdash out of shit hurts a lot
Read the notes on PhiDX's video "Knee has solved Tekken 8." As somebody who - not a Fighting game player altough I am invested in Tekken as a fan - likes to put alot of thought into Game Design that realistically works, I think the first part of the video has some potential for T8's redesign needs. Make aggressiveness more of a neutral, where sidestepping and contesting small frame advantages lead to more smaller combo trades. That way we could have alot of creative player interaction while giving more options to 50/50 without losing the aggressive idenity Just an inspiration for a thought direction - what would you change/add?
Thing is, it's already a thing with T4, even with backdash and sidestep nerfed, the game focused more on mini combos and tracking aren't as fierce as modern game since T6 (T6's tracking is considered tame, you know). EWGF didn't even launch on normal hit, generic launchers generally more linear, CH launches are specialty, juggles are limited and often very hard, only some of them like Lee had better juggles than the others. But of course everybody thinks the game's bad because of it's jankiness and balancing issues, but nobody considers the core gameplay and dismisses T4 entirely.
Honestly, they can just halve the damage and corner carry, thus doubling the needed interactions to win, and it would make for an enjoyable "aggressive" Tekken. If they also get rid of phantom hitboxes and inadvertently buff movement that way, we can even get a happy medium between the modern aggression and the old-school neutral. Heck, they can add more damage and corner carry for certain characters to increase variety. E.g., pre-7, one of Lee's most unique traits was his b2 loops giving him incredible corner carry but with everyone's damage and corner carry reaching kusoge levels, that's not a Lee thing anymore.
Tekken became a straight up launching and on/off the ground combo game with Tekken 6 and it's introduction of the "bound" system. With Tekken 1 through 5, my family and friends actually had to look for openings on each other to pull off favorite moves and 10 hit combos. When T6 hit the scene we were more focused on knocking each other into the air rather than sweeps, jabs, throws, and sidestep timing. Sure the other mechanics and strategies were still around, but used way less.
I personally think the developers should make the heat system like rage art , once the hp drops below 25% the player get access to heat burst making it do or die element
Solid video! This is straight to the point and hammers down what the exact problem with Tekken 8 is right now. Thanks for making this, appreciate people making their voices heard, maybe Bandai will listen and make some drastic changes. When they said: "Tekken 8 is going to be more agressive". I never imagined that meaning 10-13 second matches because: You guessed wrong!
I did a classic couch coop with the boys with T8, the way we've been doing it for 20 years. We spent more time picking characters and passing the remote around than fighting. 6 dudes sharing controllers got their Tekken fix in less than an hour. T8 matches are over instantly
You actually can't buy the stage with the coins since the stage is DLC and sold only with real money. The 500 coins can be used towards a fight pass or other microtransactions from the TEKKEN store though
Bro tekken 7 combos were stupid 💀 they heavily nerfed combos in tekken 8 sure they’re long but the grey health is such a nerf. You could get hit with an 80% combo by someone if you simply tech rolled wrong and they had a wall
@@MrDamojak they’re just not tho because of the grey health, that’s why King is so good rn aside from all the crazy utility he has, his throws are amazing because they hit super hard and don’t deal grey damage. Combos are super long in tekken 8 and a bit annoying to watch but they don’t compare to previous tekkens, where they were short but did stupid damage
@@MrDamojak you’re incredibly slow, yes they do but they technically don’t because of grey health. You can land a big combo and then your opponent can mix you up land a heat engager and now 75% of that combo meant nothing. Or they can simply just gain momentum on you and a huge chunk of that combo is recovered. Combos are heavily nerfed in this game
if you dont like the game now quit. no fighter has to my memory received core mechanic changes to a level that would alter the flow of the game in a major way. Parry, FADC, ABC combos, Roman cancels etc. They might get a little change but that is it. Example with Tekken is heat engagers not tracking anymore. That is likely gonna be it. If they slow it down to a redactable point it wont work for combos so that aint happening. the best we can hope for is being over -10 on block.
I feel people are only repeating what Arslan said and hating on the game because it’s what some pros are doing, tekken 8 is the most fun I’ve had playing tekken since tekken 5
It seems like they forget what made Tekken 7 fun for fans they did not have to add all that mechanic to cater beginners. They sacrificed the real fans who mastered the game fundamentally now pros are getting cooked by new players abusing these mechanics that made the game revolve only on 50/50's. A glorified guessing game.
@@Invader.Xim. yes but it's more pronounced now especially with the heat engager. And the tracking of strings can make getting up a nightmare and you end up eating 💩 just trying to stand up and once you finally do get up you are literally guessing for your life because all of your momentum and opportunities are gone.
Some of these paid DLC options like characters and stages really confuse me. I feel like I recall years ago them saying "Tekken is like chess, and if you have to pay extra for new pieces on your chess board then you're playing at a disadvantage" and for that reason they were never going to charge for stages and characters, only cosmetic stuff.
Have to at least make heat burst not hit mid-air. Then you at least don't get an extra 20 damage from a launcher into oki with heat. Even better to remove it. Then if you choose an i14 or i15 baseline for a heat engager it becomes a variant launcher that gives you a single OP mixup. If damage is still too high reduce every launcher to a tornado during heat.
Or just have heat burst return you to neutral whether on hit or block. At least it would just function as an escape tool rather than either stealing a turn or getting a full combo.
6:42 you cannot buy the genmaji temple with the coins. You still have to purchase it with real money. They basically gave everyone store credit because the stage is $5.
Tekken Fans: "Game is so unbalanced!!! You always had to deal with 50/50 risks to even play the game!!!" Master Duel Fans: "You can play the game there???"
I love Tekken 8, I love the whole aggressive playstyle its my main playstyle since playing competitively way back during T6 arcade machines. The whole Tekken 5 and 7 playstyle with all the poking and wiffing is so boring. Its good in older games like 3 and tag 1 where everything was much simpler with simple moves. Now we have like a 100+ moves and you guys are telling me let's go back to kbd, wiffing , 1,2 jabs , dikjabs , lowkicks etc. No, I wanna use that hopkick, that snake edge , deathfist , hatchet , hellsweep etc. I wanna battle its either you destroy me or I destroy you. Heck even Kazuya said "A fight is about who's left standing. Nothing else"
Tekken for a long time is just about doing the most optimal thing. But the enemy is doing the most optimal thing too. So you counter that optimal thing with an optimal counter, but the enemy knows that so...
Man the state of tekken was the same the game started lol. Arslan is the one who spoke about the state then questioning it because of how simple it was. Then magically changed his mind and said he was enjoying tekken lol.
I have a few ideas. Heat should have a longer bar and you can turn it on and off but it never recharges through all rounds. Having heat through every fight you can always be aggressive but this would add some strategy to it. Consider a breaker system that will make your character drop straight to the ground during a combo like MK. And it would use a chunk of heat as well making it a defensive tool as well as offensive.
2:40 "Your opponent gets about two chances to play the game." hmmm where have i heard this before? oh yeah when I was learning to play Tekken 7 in December last year in anticipation for Tekken 8. funny how things change they really stay the same.
The most unoriginal comment. This game has become something like league of legends, where every scrub can feel like a winner. Tekken was not about that. Learning a hard character, making decisions on the fly and beating your opponent with skills is way better than this shit. It became greedy, so they want to appeal to a more general audience. Tekken is dying. Because you are scrubs.
Agreed, in tekken there was always a rewards for learning more and mastering a character, with more grind came a greater reward in tekken, which is devolved in tekken 8@@Max-f3
@@Max-f3 lol this game will only grow ur delusional, its no where near dying and this game isnt scrubby based, the same faces that were champions in t7 are still champions, no scrubby player suddenly showed and beat all the og players, this will never happen, the only problem you all have which you dont realize is with broken characters, not the game in general
@@Max-f3 Facts dude! Harada and the folks at Bamco basically just want this game to be Fortnite so that little Timmy and Jimmy can spend money at the game's e-store
I got to Tekken King and was not liking the direction the game was headed in the higher ranks. So I recently switched to over to SF6 and I am currently platinum 1. I think Street fighter has the same meta with the combo into wall carry into 50/50, but I think the system is a little more balanced with Drive Rush burnout and you get to actually play some semblance of neutral in Street Fighter. I'm going to continue with the Street Fighter grind until Tekken improves if ever.
6:41 you can’t buy stages in the tekken store. So even if you receive the 500 tekken coins, you still have to spend real world currency to buy the stage.
It's a shame really. I'd been holding off on T8 to see how it played out-especially since half of my bread and butter mains didn't make the jump from T7-But the gameplay looks really...Not Tekken-y. It looks like a Dead or Alive title but without the balance of the Hold>Strike>Throw triangle and enhanced mobility. Lots of games-especially fighting games-all seem to suffer when the main intent is to make something "Balanced" rather than "Unique." I'll probably pick it up on sale if they bring back Bob, Gigas, Marduk or Ganryu.
I frankly just refuse to play like that because even though i lose a lot more often i still manage to have fun. That said, it should feel viable to do which it DEFINITELY does not
A key point for 50/50s too is, it's 50% to lose, and 50% to not die. You still have to deal with being in corner and your opponent having MORE buttons.
This game is rn in a place where the devs cant change the game because of twt but on the brightside the dragunov b4 3 change is probably a good sign of things to come if they make more changes like that
the need to fix the online as well, the code is not good, no wifi filter as i wont accept wifi your wasting my time, no disconnect filter im not accepting people with high disconnect rates, no easy way to get long sets which i think t8 is more palatable if we could get longer sets. They’ve made a frustrating offensive game with a frustrating online. I’m not a fan of sf6 or mk and in general it’s all the same dribble. making things too similar and homeginizing game play.
And if he tweets tons of stuff of when he wins, you'd just use that as more ammo when he *does lose* and tweet it Can't ever win on social media, nevermind Twitter
@@dannyrpt Yeah i dont disagree with the goat arslan, just find it funny that he always tweets when he loses 😂 heat should not give safe powercrush on entry, + safe mid launchers and strong mixup options, and then end with a heat smash that gives you mixup on block
The person tweeting "people yearn for real tekken" is wild, because they don't know what actual Tekken is. Actual Tekken is sets of fighting interactions that conclude in a round won or lost, not touch of death or wall carries.
you know a game has a problem, when even while you're winning, the game isn't fun. wins feel so unfulfilled, & cheap. feel scummy after a win.
you dont play the game ovi
This is so true. Wins feel very cheap or unsatisfying in this game and I play Steve which needs a lot of work. And still, I get the same boring feeling when I win with Heihachi even when I win with Steve
@@sayedomairsiam6344As a lowly hardstuck Fujin Lee who fought like 9 Heihachis in ranked today, that dude feels like a boss battle😂 probably gotta lab it
@@sayedomairsiam6344 lol are we playing the same game? Maybe rank up till you hit your skill floor if that's the case because at like Bushin and up every round with Steve is earned.
I agree with you on that. I've met many players who clearly got carried by their character rather than their own skills. And even if I win against those players I don't feel happy but anger due to the state of the game.
These players rely heavily on those launchers and combos that take 50 - 60% health, they lack serious fundamentals. If it adds any context I main Steve by the way and boy is it tough out there with all these gimmicks.
KoF players refused to play the newest titles until they felt that it was up to their standards. Tekken players should do the same if they really feel this way.
People are too connected to tekken and 3d fighters and there is no alternative so here we are
Would be the case if the costs of development and scope weren't as large. A game that flops (low sales, low player base etc.) usually gets no sequel. No company is going to greenlight a 40-100m usd for a project thta previously flopped or even wasn't as finincially sound. That's the reality of gaming in the AAA space, and it won't change until investment from big companies diminishes to aorund 20% of what it is today, as it is much easier to lose 2m than 10m+
Tekken 8 is a very attractive game for newcomers to fighting games. 2 of my friends who’ve never played a fighting game purchased it at full price. 3 others have stated interested in purchasing the game prior to the formers purchase. The average layperson is a “graphics first” type person and tekken has basicaly the best graphics in the “popular” fighting game scene
This is what baffles me, T7 was nothing but red flags yet many Tekken fans thought T8 magically will have zero problems.
What do you mean?
"Guessing 8" is a perfect game!
You cant buy genmaji temple with the coins they give you, you can buy everything else with them, but not the stage :\
can't buy a character with it either (for people that didn't buy the season pass)
50/50's is about guessing not reacting. That's the problem.
That is the whole point of 50/50 buddy
@@StasionSpasski He said in the video it's about reacting correctly, 50/50's are not about reacting.
yeah thats how it is in real life fighting sports, but if high level gameplay revolves around just labbing setups then what its the poing of even playing the game? a player with no basics whatsoever shouldnt be able to compete at the top just by knowing 3 setups
It's also a staple of fighting games.
Saying he's salty is just an-hominem. Listen to what he's saying and whether it makes sense or not. And it does. 1 launcher + 1 50/50 = dead = boring.
He is just salty. He's not wrong in his observation, but his salt is clear. He only complains whenever he loses. Just look, he placed 65th place in PPG battle champ. And then not too soon after he twitted that. He lost to that Lili TGU and complained. He lost to some other guy and complained that it was his controller, etc, etc. He only complains about the game if he's not beating everyone.
@@xeonthehero9090 green rank comment
@@xHuie Pointing out patterns in someone's behavior means I am bad at the game. Excellent critical thinking right there 👍
@@xeonthehero9090Whether you’re good at the game or not, attack the point. Not him being salty. Being salty doesn’t have anything to do with whether he’s right or wrong.
Naw let's use our critical thinking hat here. Arslan went all in on Tekken and got sponsored, his life style depends on winning tourneys or at least placing high. If he got knocked out at 65th that's a big blow to his image. It's crazy he's saying " one launcher + 1 50/50" when every character has get off me tools in their kits everyone has to respect. And the universal armor of heat. The problem is he can't just "figure out" Tekken 8 like he could Tekken 7, in this game you can't just lab a character and know 90 percent how to beat them.
Just a FYI correction, the Genmaji stage cannot be bought with Tekken Coins. The coins they give are basically for cosmetics only. Stage is still $5.
Another very important correction: they made the stage free and added it to the base game as included compensation, meaning it’s now available for everyone.
@professoremil another VERY very important correction: Only the NEXT dlc stage (that will be released in winter) will be free. You still need to pay for the Heihachi temple stage and like OP said, you cannot use Tekken Coins. 😊
The literal champion of tekken right now doesn’t like how the game is played, idk how anyone can speak against that lol. Dude literally beats everyone in the game right now, and doesn’t like it the way it is.
He's just not though? He popped on the scene in Tekken 7, the most defensive, one dimensional, CH string heavy version of the game and spammed back dash and jab with kazumi. He then tier hopped through the DLC characters till the end of T7. Now that people have actual threats other than 2 moves like in T7 all the sudden, "the games bad", "It's just launch and 50/50". Lol T7 was just launch and the round was over so everyone just poked all day and kbd.
@@johnsmith-ol9qj you said a whole lotta nothing right then
A lot of people argue that his opinions on the game are tied to his performance. When he does well he's positive, when he loses it's the complete opposite. I remember at the start of the year when all that Xiaoyu drama happened because Yoredz beat him decisively in a FT10. We had people on twitter seriously wanting to delete entire moves of Xiaoyu's all because of the shitstorm Arslan & Knee caused on twitter after they played him. And now? Nobody cares anymore despite her remaining relatively untouched.
@@johnsmith-ol9qj He won biggest Evo playing T8 and is currently number one in TWT rankings so.
Important context that non-Tekken players in these comments do not have: Arslan had no complaints when he won his EVO. He then made that tweet not an hour after placing 65th. He also has a history of being salty on twitter. The current champion of Tekken is undeniably Ulsan, who has only commented on the matter to make fun of people saying that the TK7 defensive playstyle should come back because it was boring and unfun to watch. This video is just theScore farming controversial titles, not to be taken seriously.
6:37 I don't think buying a Map or Character with Tekken Coins is possible 💀💀💀 that would be too easy and convenient since you get a few from that dreaded Fight Pass
That fight pass was so trash. lol it’s like they didn’t even try.
Knee was saying same day one.
I think the problem is Bandai trying to make the game easier, but not really exploring what new players need, instead of that, they decided to just make modification and add mechanics that makes new players skip steps within the game just so they can beat better by abusing the 50/50 without even having to make strategies
Bamco catered to the western audience because the way the asians/pakistani's play the game requires a lot of patience and focus....something the west can't maintain for too long. Look at the character picks in the west compared to that of tge east...Look at tge playstyles...How many times have you seen a western player SS and df2 his opponent like AA or Knee has done regularly..?? Or better yet...Knee vs AA Evo 2019...Kazumi vs DJ....The way AA systematically kept SSL Knee to whiff punish DJ...Have you ever seen a western player that focused..?? Naaah...This game was specifically designed for the west because they were LOSING that battle..!!!
@@LongjoyNl Valid point. But not all western people are like that. West is not a country.
@@Max-f3 no...maybe not....but overall the casual western players are impatient and want to rush rush things. In higher ranks it might not be that rush rush but when a western higher ranked ( Fujin & above ) goes to the east he'll soon face a harsh reality check because in the east he will be Vanquisher - Tenryu at best. In high competetive gameplay it might be a lil bit higher.
The east overall have always been more calculating and can easily make western opponents make simple mistakes thus punishing them with ease.. Some might not agree with my take on this but it's a game of chess when playing Tekken and the east are faar better than the west regarding that playstyle.
Have you seen the latest korean tournament finals between Ulsan & Knee...? There were sooo many WTF moments during that encounter. Ask yourself if you'll ever see a western plager play like that..?
@LongjoyNl I agree with you take on this completely. I'm just saying western countries are not the same with one another. You cannot compare South America with kanada, or USA with eastern Europe. It's like comparing Phillipines with China, or india with japan. West and East cannot be viewed as a whole. I'm not only talking about tekken here. And back to tekken. The big difference is that tekken was never played religiously in western countries. The sense of community is very different. No people gathering in arcades competing with eachother. But because of this, eastern players are not unique. Anyway I agree with your take on this, really. Just trying to point out the bigger picture. Oh and the punishment with mistakes. I really think winning by letting your opponent make mistakes is smart and profitable. But you will never evolve as a player doing that. My opinion.
@Max-f3 oh but that's why I'm also saying overall..I know it's a bit difficult to elaborate because I also know what you mean.. Thing is...the west their 'opinion' is mostly dominated by NA ( USA ) and after that Europe if you look at most reactions online.
The only way to fix Tekken is to take Tekken force and make it a 4 player party mode.
Never let bro cook again 💀
@KiriNimi mf hates pizza because he's lactose intolerant.
Fukkit,and while we’re at it…add playable classic tekken/namco arcade cabinets to the fight lounge/arcade quest modes too🤷🏾♂️
@Pharoah510 yeah, street fighter 6 has it
This is the first Tekken game I simply stopped having fun in and just dropped. 300hrs in and one day I woke up and said “nah there are better fighting games out im done”
See 7 was the only game in the series that i dropped without spending hundreds of hours on.
I dropped T8 at 60 hours. Thousands on the previous games.
I dropped at 100 hours in. I only picked it up again for heihachi and extra story. After I understood his play style, I dropped the game again.
I dropped at 270 hours in 8, i'd rather play Coin Flip sim than this. At least that doesn't force monetization down my throat and does not require a total 180 in mechanics and balance
@@keko1130 thats super impressive i literally dont have enough spare time to spend 1000 on a single game let alone thousand(s).
Who wants to play a game where youre just getting juggled for half the time
Enough with the juggle shenanigans
2D has you in a stun animation when you're perform a combo you can't move there basically the same thing but different scenarios stop the CAP
Who would want to play a game where you're literally just back stepping for the entire minute??? At least get some blls to press buttons
@@shenelljohnson74 Bro...compare a basic Tekken 8 bnb from anyone to a button into DRC confirm from SF6: T8 combo would barely be halfway when SF6 combo ends and still deal more damage for no resources.
@@theuzi8516 That's a fair point, but Street Fighter is best 2 out of three rounds while Tekken is best 3 of 5. Plus, juggle damage counts as gray health which can be recovered in multiple ways.
@@theuzi8516 you telling me SF combos getting stun lock isn't the same getting juggle in Tekken I know there different but it's the same situation
The bottom line is that bad players get tools to beat good players without actually having to be better and games are boring. This is on every level. People who find this fun are the ones benefiting from it.
It’s crazy how people will argue against this when the developers themselves literally said that was a big part of their design for this game lmaooo
They LOVE to claim people are complaining because they suck. If you can't deal with azucena spamming her running attack NON STOP remember that's YOUR problem. If you don't like fighting 3 dragonovs,then a top tier king,followed by 3 Bryan's and 2 more dragonovs then that means YOU need to labe the game more. If you get caught by a super long low from Kuma or feng that's YOUR fault. You too slow😒
@@SuntanXxSuperman tfs bryan doing in there lmao hes nowhere near of any of the rest of the chart and the easily the hardest character
how is this on every level when the same dudes are still winning tournaments??? Yall just yap
@@Tk.Bogarts easy to spam his evo combos. Easy to play up down all game. Trip to kick you soon as you get up uppercut to wall combo to another trip to start al over again. How fun 😒
Lifelong Tekken player here. The game is just trash. They dropped the ball on this one. I could go on for hours about all the things wrong with it but in general it's just bad mechanics. Heat sucks, the aggressive philosophy isn't fun, the micro-transactions and heartless actions of the money hungry namcops are all just getting to be too much. The games just not fun. I agree with Arslan, it legitimately makes your mood worse and makes you feel bad. There's no fixing this... they're in too deep.
Tag 2 and Tekken 7 while having huge issues that did frustrate me. Both games kept me coming back for their entire lifespan. Tekken 8 is a little over six months in and I don’t play anymore and same goes for my friends who played these games with me from day 1. I truly believe they’ve taken the game into the wrong direction and don’t see people like me as the target audience anymore.
It’s the scrub mechanics
It's because most of the The stages are too small. Thanks to heat you'll be carried to a wall within one combo .
About the 500 Tekken coins, you can't actually buy the stage with coins, you still have to pay 5 very big, very real, buckeronis. Please add in a correction, this info is wrong, don't spread misinformation.
I flew 3 hours to get to my capital city to catch up with people within my community and play at locals in person, which I don't get to do often because I live remote. In T7 era, there would be a minimum of 10 setups with people queing up to play. I went yesterday for Tekken 8 (which I primarily went to see people, not play the game) and Tekken was relegated to a corner with 4 set-ups with everything else being street fighter and other retro fighters. I was there for 5 hours and people were not queuing to play. Set-ups were vacant, and there was zero hype. Spoke to members of the community only to be told most of the guys I grew up playing T7 stopped playing because they disliked T8. It actually made me sad, but I completely understood it. Were 10 months into the game and the competitive scene in my capital city is already dead. No one cares about this game, and I saw it first hand in my own community.
Man that sucks to hear , it’s such a bummer, I feel for you
Important and crucial correction: you CANNOT buy the genmaji stage with Tekken coins. The 500 coins really dont matter in that regard. If you want the stage you have to pay real money NOW. it does not matter if you bought the ultimate edition, you will not get the genmaji stage without paying for it extra NOW.
It’s not like you can remove 50/50s. The game is cooked on a fundamental lvl
Wth not?
@@FUJIN-UCHIHA yeah and you shouldn't remove them either. They're fundamentally needed so you can do damage in a fighting game.
The best answer is just up the movement to something like Tekken 5DR or even just Tag2
@@Dyleniz You guys keep bringing those games up when the balancing there was even worse than today.
@@wantu7816we bring up those games for movement.
Not for balance.
Did you even read what have been said here?
Buff "movement" like those games mentioned
No one said have same balanced "moveset" like those games
Bruh this is horrible and the heat combo longevity is definitely hard hitting with the Mishimas because damn once i get launched by them, then they go into heat, I'm cooked like no chance to retaliate, it's just absolutely cheap
Even when you come across another player who is GOOD and/or your level, sets feel too short, WINS feel empty, and losses feel frustrating
Harada deserves all the heat for the current stage of the game.
Greed over gameplay at Bamco.
arguably, not quite, he has stated so many times he is the meat in the sandwich, it's the executives that make it difficult
@@--delirious--4136 Respectfully, he is the literal director and face of Tekken.
Giving him the heat might actually yield results to a degree. Bamco can more easily ignore these things?
It doesn't matter if the top pro says the game is bad. Punk who is still the best NA Street Fighter 6 player complains about mechanics in 6 because he came from Street Fighter 5 and was a pro in that. Arslan was from Tekken 7 and complains about 8's mechanics. Same deal. These players want the game they fell in love with but are forcing themselves to play the new entries hoping it's the old game. Regardless of this I do think Tekken 8 has some issues though lol
6:41 IIRC you can't get that stage with Tekken Coins, only real cash.
Implement "classic mode": No heat; no rage art; no power crushes; sidestep and backdash animation speed increased 5% for all characters. Then slowly promote this mode until it eventually becomes more popular and replaces the "standard" mode.
Nobody is going to miss heat.
Absolutely 💯 agree with this
I had this exact thought the other day.
Terrible, terrible idea.
I like Heat and Rage.
Terrible idea. Split the already fragmented player base?
I think the issue isn’t just the 50/50’s it’s the character’s frame data when applying it. When Kazuya ops for oki using FF
4 or Hell sweep, if it is blocked kazuya’s turn is recognizably over and he takes a full combo. Most characters that are top tier never give up their turn while applying their true 50/50s. You’re locked in a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. It’s even worse when the opponent is a xiaoyu and every move looks like it can either go mid or low.
Nah, you guys should be back to Tekken 7. Tekken 8 is a different game.
Scrub spotted
@@azteckjumbie9344 Casual spotted
Tekken 7 sucks balls. Tekken 5DR is the only way.
Tekken 3 is the only true tekken
@@eddy3080Tekken alpha build is the only true Tekken, everyone who likes anything after that (including release version of Tekken 1) is either a scrub or a shill
Variance its not about the top players can get top 8, its about places those players get a tournament, you cannot have same dominance like tekken 6, tag 2 and tekken 7
Tekken 5 was Peak
100 %
Tekken 5 dr
People hate on arslan and even tho he is a meta h**, he is right. This game is all about 50/50 and guessing. If i wanna guess then i go to a casino. Guessing has nothing to do with skill but rather luck.
I agree to a certain extent. I think there is room for making estimated guesses on your opponent - reading your opponent is a fundamentally important part of Tekken, like attacking with timing, etc. But when its put down to a true 50/50 at the critical moments, intuition isn't really serving a purpose.
Bandai Namco should have just let SCVI have their formula to themselves. Copying that made no sense for Tekken. It only works in SCVI because of the length of combos, the more simplistic/shorter command list and difference in weapons.
Just go back, Bamco. Go back. It doesn't mix.
You know I was thinking about that i heard that some of the game devs for SCVI did work on tk8 so that explains everything 🤦🏾
@leonelgarcia2651 Yes. " Project Soul ". Its THEIR fault. Shimbori from " DOA " is also responsible for the stage interactions. Shit, even " Akira " behind the graphics for " Fighting EX Layer " had something to do with how T8 looks and possibly even feels. The meeting they all had together gave birth to what we're dealing with RIGHT NOW.
@leonelgarcia2651 Another cookie crumb on " Project Soul " .... look at some of Yoshimitsu's moves. Look at the nunchucks on Law. Alisa kinda suspect in chainsaw mode. Now look at Victor in GENERAL.
I get the feeling that Tekken is writing itself into a corner. Older games didnt need 100+ moves, long combos, or a plethora of stances and mixups to feel fun. I feel like every new Tekken just feels to add MORE moves and LONGER combos and 1up the previous entry without even checking to see if the product has become bloated, which I think it has.
They actually fixed a bunch of issues that came from T7.
But people tend to hate on changes, if they wouldn't change it people would also hate.
There's absolutely no winning for the Tekken team on this one, right now it's actually in a good state and still improving.
Once T9 eventually releases the same thing will happen again, T8 will be named as "real Tekken" and T9 will be hated just as hard.
For instance, T7 was also considered trash early on.
Going full attack was always going to be an huge unbalanced direction for the game in long term. Tekken needs more defensive play style to be balanced, nerfing characters won’t save it unfortunately
every character in T8 can wall carry and deal more damage than paul lol. launch punishables in T7 which is understandable, dont work anymore. even behind a character doing strings can instantly turn their face on you 😂
The problem is that people have been saying this since before launch but the response from Harada and Namco has been "Get good, look at how successful it is and look at how many people are playing at launch" which has been frustrating to say the least.
Heck, folks were saying this even before launch only to get replies of "Trust Harada's vision. Consume product!" and now here we are
2:22 core a gaming is the best channel for this stuff
Yessir
Adding in get in for free mechanics, nuking movement, adding even more wall Carry mechanics than screw provided. T7 was bad and by the end we didn’t think it could get worse…. Then it did, anyone saying tekken 7 was too defensive was mad, compared to real legacy tekken like ttt1 movement was a joke in that game too. as a fighting game player i envy the legacy preservation games like CS has.
They shouldn't mixed SCVI's formula into Tekken
This is what happens when Tekken's defensive systems honed over decades get thrown out the window for 'aggresive play' and wider audience appeal. Turns out it's bad for your competitive game if you remove decision making and interaction points from your game.
Arslan is already a Tekken 8 champion but guys in the comments are saying he's wrong because he lost. The Tekken community is actually unhinged, Every other FGC listens to their GOATS.
100% factually incorrect. There is no fan base that treats their goats as having perfect opinions. Not in strive, street fighter or Mortal Kombat. Stop glazing
not everything arslan says is correct. following blindly just because he's "the goat" is crazy dickriding.
How is Arslan wrong tho? @@Mayhem242
Yeah... He wants Tekken 7 back so he can win more, there are plenty of people that just want to press buttons, it's a game not one person's cash cow so he can win titles over and over. T7 was hella boring and if you want to play "real tekken" there are characters for that. Knee uses Brian. Tekkenicain uses Steve to great effect, there are a lot of people having fun and mastering the game and a small minority being super loud.
@johnsmith-ol9qj your argument is pretty stupid tbh. It's not about him being salty or not winning. Look at his argument. Its absolutely true. The game basically has no neutral, and the 50/50s are just way too much. And its not even that balanced.
If the #1 ranker and 5x Champion Arslan Ash says that Tekken-8 has a problem, it definitely has a problem. I'm a Game Developer too so his criticism on Tekken-8 makes even more sense to me.........
This crisis only exists in twitter... far from me to say Arslan is wrong or not legitimate in his observations and complains etc, but Tekken has always been very volatile, that's why matches are best of 5 rounds.
It would be cool if you covered some analysis of how fighting games work every now and then, i imagine it would help everyone who appreciates the genere and follows a bit through channels like this every now and then and also the hosts. 50/50s are not meant to be reacted like you say around 1:45, it's a guess, and that's why it's a 50/50, because it's not about reacting it's a coinflip, you have to READ what the opponent will do
IDK how to tell you that t8 is dead on twitch lol. No one wants to watch this game
@@Bovineicide No one watched T7 either no one watches fighting games on twitch
@@rutherfordium2954 Street fighter 6
@@Bovineicide game being dead or alive can't be measured by twitch viewership when there are literally bath tub streams with millions of viewers. Clearly people on twitch are interested in something else. We should look at steam numbers and it's doing well
T8 is in absolute trash state. Of course, any game is allowed to be broken on release, but sometime in June devs said "no more major balance patching until 2025". And this approach can't be justified by any reasonable human being. They didn't stop adding paid content, mind you.
As a Feng main, I gotta say the Tekken 7 Feng Wei was much better as compared to the Tekken 8 one, the Character is and was OP no doubt and had almost every desired tool, but the Tekken 7 one was much more Approachable, hitting the combos was much satisfying for me personally.
the GOAT has spoken
This has been Tekken for years since Tekken 7 or even Tag 2. I agree but I don’t understand why this is the breaking point now.
Because heat just took it too a whole new level, 7 movement played a much bigger role, and consistently mashing would get you fucked
Because plus frames aren't as prominent as it is now.
@@Nkodtbbut isn’t most fighting games have plus frame heavy mechanics
exactly what i have been thinking. great video and I don't think tekken 8 is perfect either but I have no idea why this is the breaking point either just super perplexing.
Funny that Tekken pros are coming to the same conclusion about the game that I came to after playing it for 3 days. I like Tekken, but there's so much guessing in this game that a lot of wins and losses feel unearned.
Idk if its a blessing in disguise but I couldn’t afford tekken 8. And now im not going to buy until tekken & is going to be great.
it may be too aggressive. they should buff back dashing.
this is what players have been talking about. Only dragunov has the best and decent backdash right now while the rest of the roster backdash for their lives and still get clapped by 50-50s
been saying the same thing since the beta, heat and immense combo damage just encourages this boring guessing game playstyle at all levels because defensive options are so weak now that the only way to win is by blowing the other guy up first
So you know why pros played that way with only backdashing and pokes every 10 seconds in T7?
Because one launcher carries you to the wall for most of your health and then one 50/50 mix on oki was enough to finish you off. Funny that
Plus everyone had crazy good CH tools, and sidestepping was terrible.
Ppl forgot this😂😂😂
This. It seems people who whined about Tekken 7 being too defensive, always forget why it got into that state in the first place.
Ya.. that type of play is wat we hate
Yep, exactly that.
If you actually play Tekken, these videos and comments make no sense.
Tekken 8 might have flaws and is far from a perfect game but it's a serious step up from 7.
@@zer0cx110 So why are people hating about T8 then? It makes 0 sense.
I'm also fairly confident what makes the game more frustrating is the chip damage especially when a character has heat on. Even if you defend well and be patient enough to learn opponent patterns, your HP is already too little to work with and losing 1 50/50 encounter will cost you the round.
What you have to understand is that Tekken has always been a 2-3 touch game and snowballs easily the reason why tekken 7 was so alow was because you can gey counterhit or low parry randomly and just die after a wallcombo and they made movement so shit while every string had amazing tracking it felt like you were forced to play a 2D game with just backdash and dash forward avoid a counterhit thats the reason why Tekken 8 released with heat what I dont like about T8 is that you can be put into a 50/50 guess more often but not having the tools to like backdash out of shit hurts a lot
Tekken 7 feels like 2d on 3d.
Tekken 8 feels like 3d
You can’t get the stage still btw.
yeah, i just launched the game to check, it just opens the steam store page with a request for 5€. No option to use the 500 coins anywhere?
My biggest issue is bamco's greed and incapability of giving good updates or balance changes
Remove heat, remove long combos, remove bound at the wall, remove lock 50/50 guesses, remove chip damage, remove gaining health, remove Alisa
Go back to Tekken 7
@VirtuaNinja1 like I would ever leave T7 for this scrubyass game lol
Read the notes on PhiDX's video "Knee has solved Tekken 8."
As somebody who - not a Fighting game player altough I am invested in Tekken as a fan - likes to put alot of thought into Game Design that realistically works, I think the first part of the video has some potential for T8's redesign needs. Make aggressiveness more of a neutral, where sidestepping and contesting small frame advantages lead to more smaller combo trades. That way we could have alot of creative player interaction while giving more options to 50/50 without losing the aggressive idenity
Just an inspiration for a thought direction - what would you change/add?
finally a thoughtful comment
Thing is, it's already a thing with T4, even with backdash and sidestep nerfed, the game focused more on mini combos and tracking aren't as fierce as modern game since T6 (T6's tracking is considered tame, you know). EWGF didn't even launch on normal hit, generic launchers generally more linear, CH launches are specialty, juggles are limited and often very hard, only some of them like Lee had better juggles than the others. But of course everybody thinks the game's bad because of it's jankiness and balancing issues, but nobody considers the core gameplay and dismisses T4 entirely.
@@Rylaine Wow thanks for the discourse. What exactly was different in T4?
Im not as familiar with the details, I just grew up messing around in it :P
Honestly, they can just halve the damage and corner carry, thus doubling the needed interactions to win, and it would make for an enjoyable "aggressive" Tekken. If they also get rid of phantom hitboxes and inadvertently buff movement that way, we can even get a happy medium between the modern aggression and the old-school neutral. Heck, they can add more damage and corner carry for certain characters to increase variety. E.g., pre-7, one of Lee's most unique traits was his b2 loops giving him incredible corner carry but with everyone's damage and corner carry reaching kusoge levels, that's not a Lee thing anymore.
Tekken became a straight up launching and on/off the ground combo game with Tekken 6 and it's introduction of the "bound" system. With Tekken 1 through 5, my family and friends actually had to look for openings on each other to pull off favorite moves and 10 hit combos. When T6 hit the scene we were more focused on knocking each other into the air rather than sweeps, jabs, throws, and sidestep timing. Sure the other mechanics and strategies were still around, but used way less.
If there were more game modes the problems with the game wouldn't be as in your face since only playing 1v1 24/7 makes it super sweaty
I personally think the developers should make the heat system like rage art , once the hp drops below 25% the player get access to heat burst making it do or die element
Solid video! This is straight to the point and hammers down what the exact problem with Tekken 8 is right now. Thanks for making this, appreciate people making their voices heard, maybe Bandai will listen and make some drastic changes.
When they said: "Tekken 8 is going to be more agressive". I never imagined that meaning 10-13 second matches because: You guessed wrong!
I did a classic couch coop with the boys with T8, the way we've been doing it for 20 years.
We spent more time picking characters and passing the remote around than fighting. 6 dudes sharing controllers got their Tekken fix in less than an hour. T8 matches are over instantly
Tekken 8 should be a game in a casino.
You actually can't buy the stage with the coins since the stage is DLC and sold only with real money. The 500 coins can be used towards a fight pass or other microtransactions from the TEKKEN store though
The fix is very simple: make heat once per game. And to prevent auto activations on heat engagers make it so you have to hold forward.
Tekken 7 is Valid for Long Combos but in Tekken 8 it's Actual Hell. 💀
Bro tekken 7 combos were stupid 💀 they heavily nerfed combos in tekken 8 sure they’re long but the grey health is such a nerf. You could get hit with an 80% combo by someone if you simply tech rolled wrong and they had a wall
@@Sin-pt2eqIn T8 average combo damage is higher
@@MrDamojak they’re just not tho because of the grey health, that’s why King is so good rn aside from all the crazy utility he has, his throws are amazing because they hit super hard and don’t deal grey damage. Combos are super long in tekken 8 and a bit annoying to watch but they don’t compare to previous tekkens, where they were short but did stupid damage
@@Sin-pt2eq Combos dealt less damage on average in Tekken 7. This has been measured.
@@MrDamojak you’re incredibly slow, yes they do but they technically don’t because of grey health. You can land a big combo and then your opponent can mix you up land a heat engager and now 75% of that combo meant nothing. Or they can simply just gain momentum on you and a huge chunk of that combo is recovered. Combos are heavily nerfed in this game
if you dont like the game now quit.
no fighter has to my memory received core mechanic changes to a level that would alter the flow of the game in a major way.
Parry, FADC, ABC combos, Roman cancels etc. They might get a little change but that is it. Example with Tekken is heat engagers not tracking anymore. That is likely gonna be it.
If they slow it down to a redactable point it wont work for combos so that aint happening. the best we can hope for is being over -10 on block.
Fantastic video. Very happy the score covers fighting games.
I feel people are only repeating what Arslan said and hating on the game because it’s what some pros are doing, tekken 8 is the most fun I’ve had playing tekken since tekken 5
"i like it so that must mean other players are wrong and are only 'repeating what top plyers are saying' "
Most people are npc who don’t have their own opinion. That’s a life.
@@xaevius5319Yes
@@xaevius5319you're just proving his point buddy
So, when other people dislike something, it means they’re wrong and their opinion is unoriginal? Nice logic
It seems like they forget what made Tekken 7 fun for fans they did not have to add all that mechanic to cater beginners. They sacrificed the real fans who mastered the game fundamentally now pros are getting cooked by new players abusing these mechanics that made the game revolve only on 50/50's. A glorified guessing game.
I never got into Tekken but 50/50 mix ups? I quit Mortal Kombat 1 because Johnny's mix ups. Thank God I never dedicated myself to this game.
Tekken has always had 50/50 mixups 💀
@@Invader.Xim. yes but it's more pronounced now especially with the heat engager. And the tracking of strings can make getting up a nightmare and you end up eating 💩 just trying to stand up and once you finally do get up you are literally guessing for your life because all of your momentum and opportunities are gone.
IN MY OPINION JUST REVERT BACK TO TK7. TK7 IS PEAK TEKKEN. WE NEED MORE TK7 TIER 1 COMPETITION.
Tekken 7 is garbage. If you want actual peak tekken, then play 5DR.
At this point I'd be over the moon for a Tekken 7 remaster
Why remaster tekken 7 of all games
@Invader.Xim. because it's better than trash 8
@ you say that as you have a tekken 8 pfp 💀 just get better
@@cbimzThen go play TK7 buddy. I’m sure you still own the game. Servers are still up bum.
@@AK-sw1nj wanna get smoked on T8! Pull up!!!
Some of these paid DLC options like characters and stages really confuse me. I feel like I recall years ago them saying "Tekken is like chess, and if you have to pay extra for new pieces on your chess board then you're playing at a disadvantage" and for that reason they were never going to charge for stages and characters, only cosmetic stuff.
Have to at least make heat burst not hit mid-air. Then you at least don't get an extra 20 damage from a launcher into oki with heat. Even better to remove it. Then if you choose an i14 or i15 baseline for a heat engager it becomes a variant launcher that gives you a single OP mixup. If damage is still too high reduce every launcher to a tornado during heat.
Or just have heat burst return you to neutral whether on hit or block. At least it would just function as an escape tool rather than either stealing a turn or getting a full combo.
6:42 you cannot buy the genmaji temple with the coins. You still have to purchase it with real money. They basically gave everyone store credit because the stage is $5.
Tekken Fans: "Game is so unbalanced!!! You always had to deal with 50/50 risks to even play the game!!!"
Master Duel Fans: "You can play the game there???"
I love Tekken 8, I love the whole aggressive playstyle its my main playstyle since playing competitively way back during T6 arcade machines. The whole Tekken 5 and 7 playstyle with all the poking and wiffing is so boring.
Its good in older games like 3 and tag 1 where everything was much simpler with simple moves.
Now we have like a 100+ moves and you guys are telling me let's go back to kbd, wiffing , 1,2 jabs , dikjabs , lowkicks etc.
No, I wanna use that hopkick, that snake edge , deathfist , hatchet , hellsweep etc. I wanna battle its either you destroy me or I destroy you. Heck even Kazuya said "A fight is about who's left standing. Nothing else"
Love you giving shouts to the big tekken youtubers.
Tekken for a long time is just about doing the most optimal thing.
But the enemy is doing the most optimal thing too. So you counter that optimal thing with an optimal counter, but the enemy knows that so...
Man the state of tekken was the same the game started lol. Arslan is the one who spoke about the state then questioning it because of how simple it was. Then magically changed his mind and said he was enjoying tekken lol.
I have a few ideas. Heat should have a longer bar and you can turn it on and off but it never recharges through all rounds. Having heat through every fight you can always be aggressive but this would add some strategy to it.
Consider a breaker system that will make your character drop straight to the ground during a combo like MK. And it would use a chunk of heat as well making it a defensive tool as well as offensive.
2:40 "Your opponent gets about two chances to play the game." hmmm where have i heard this before? oh yeah when I was learning to play Tekken 7 in December last year in anticipation for Tekken 8. funny how things change they really stay the same.
See the difference there is that game had a 7 at the end, and this one has an 8. They're not being hypocrites
The most stupid thing about all that fight is that people are listening to top players who only play toptiers vs toptiers.
The most unoriginal comment. This game has become something like league of legends, where every scrub can feel like a winner. Tekken was not about that. Learning a hard character, making decisions on the fly and beating your opponent with skills is way better than this shit. It became greedy, so they want to appeal to a more general audience. Tekken is dying. Because you are scrubs.
Because most of us commenting aren't fucking casuals and care about the state of the game lol
Agreed, in tekken there was always a rewards for learning more and mastering a character, with more grind came a greater reward in tekken, which is devolved in tekken 8@@Max-f3
@@Max-f3 lol this game will only grow ur delusional, its no where near dying and this game isnt scrubby based, the same faces that were champions in t7 are still champions, no scrubby player suddenly showed and beat all the og players, this will never happen, the only problem you all have which you dont realize is with broken characters, not the game in general
@@Max-f3 Facts dude! Harada and the folks at Bamco basically just want this game to be Fortnite so that little Timmy and Jimmy can spend money at the game's e-store
They need to make a no rage art , heat engage, power crush mode.
I got to Tekken King and was not liking the direction the game was headed in the higher ranks. So I recently switched to over to SF6 and I am currently platinum 1. I think Street fighter has the same meta with the combo into wall carry into 50/50, but I think the system is a little more balanced with Drive Rush burnout and you get to actually play some semblance of neutral in Street Fighter. I'm going to continue with the Street Fighter grind until Tekken improves if ever.
One thing that could help a lot is if they made heat engagers miss on airborne opponents. Would stop a lot of these suuuuuuper long combos
No Josie Rizal, that explains the crisis itself
6:41 you can’t buy stages in the tekken store. So even if you receive the 500 tekken coins, you still have to spend real world currency to buy the stage.
It's a shame really. I'd been holding off on T8 to see how it played out-especially since half of my bread and butter mains didn't make the jump from T7-But the gameplay looks really...Not Tekken-y.
It looks like a Dead or Alive title but without the balance of the Hold>Strike>Throw triangle and enhanced mobility. Lots of games-especially fighting games-all seem to suffer when the main intent is to make something "Balanced" rather than "Unique." I'll probably pick it up on sale if they bring back Bob, Gigas, Marduk or Ganryu.
I frankly just refuse to play like that because even though i lose a lot more often i still manage to have fun. That said, it should feel viable to do which it DEFINITELY does not
A key point for 50/50s too is, it's 50% to lose, and 50% to not die. You still have to deal with being in corner and your opponent having MORE buttons.
A nice system change would be letting players choose between Heat and Rage system. Having both available every round is too much.
I never thought I'd be playing SF6 more than Tekken 8 this gen of fighting games.
This game is rn in a place where the devs cant change the game because of twt but on the brightside the dragunov b4 3 change is probably a good sign of things to come if they make more changes like that
the need to fix the online as well, the code is not good, no wifi filter as i wont accept wifi your wasting my time, no disconnect filter im not accepting people with high disconnect rates, no easy way to get long sets which i think t8 is more palatable if we could get longer sets. They’ve made a frustrating offensive game with a frustrating online. I’m not a fan of sf6 or mk and in general it’s all the same dribble. making things too similar and homeginizing game play.
the arcade excuse doesn’t jive. they knew there would be no arcade release so plan accordingly. it’s just another excuse imo.
This dude arslan only tweets stuff when he loses, its wild
He's been saying this since week 3 of T8. If the Evo champion can't complain who can?
you don’t even compete at all
You can't lie with Tekken 8 being a 50/50 guessing game.
And if he tweets tons of stuff of when he wins, you'd just use that as more ammo when he *does lose* and tweet it
Can't ever win on social media, nevermind Twitter
@@dannyrpt Yeah i dont disagree with the goat arslan, just find it funny that he always tweets when he loses 😂
heat should not give safe powercrush on entry, + safe mid launchers and strong mixup options, and then end with a heat smash that gives you mixup on block
The person tweeting "people yearn for real tekken" is wild, because they don't know what actual Tekken is.
Actual Tekken is sets of fighting interactions that conclude in a round won or lost, not touch of death or wall carries.
We need them to just remove heat and rage system out of the game