LIVE! Lawyer Reacts: Karen Read Trial Day 5: Is Read Proving A Cover Up? Is The Public Helping Her?
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If a dead police officer is found on your front lawn and law enforcement doesn’t search your home, you might be a cop 😏
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theywere filling up there red solo cup
Ask for a warrant.
You might get one.
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LMAO 😂 Steve Wonder can see through this BS.
The police corruption and incompetence is a bit sickening.
You misspelled pigs
Why is Karen on trial? Oh just a waste of everyone's time and money and the real killers will never be brought to justice. Apparently Karen is still making payments on the Lexus which she will never get back? Why doesn't she have her car? This whole trial is a farce, a travesty of justice, twilight zone, kangaroo Court.
Sadly this is spreading
More than a bit. No wonder the prosecutor started off in neutral gear, lacking steam. He was likely forced to prosecute a shabby case.
It's everywhere in these small town.......to some extent. I admire Karen Read for actually fighting and not just caving in and taking a plea deal.......which I think is what the CPD wanted!
The fact that the these cops did such a careless and sloppy investigation for a LE officer, just shows there’s no hope for the rest of us.
Agreed. It’s scary how little accountability there is.
Did they do this on purpose or are they that incompetent. The state troopers are the ones to blame.
@@Mrglock54it's a sad state we are in when that we don't go to "its a cover up" immediately. Because the police in this country have so many issues we have to wonder if they are just really this bad all the time?
While possible, I dont think its just incompetence. Especially since it's another LEO.
The did it on purpose. Honest cops still do a good job.
@@Mrglock54they did it on purpose, and because they have to be the dumbest cops ever…the MA State police have been corrupt for years and now they will all go down trying to protect the Alberts. Hope they all lose their jobs and get sued into poverty. Bullies with badges
The worst part of this trial is the entire pd is not even acting like they lost a fellow officer. It's disgusting how they have acted and many times they are not referring to him as Officer John O'Keefe.
Brutal and disrespectful
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I only heard one witness, a paramedic, if I remember correctly, that referred to him as an officer. So sad😢
Yes, it doesn't give him any respect, and 'brotherhood' vibes at all. It's appears like they don't care about John O'Keefe!!! Sad, indeed incredibly sad!!! I feel for his family, big time. Their grief is now compounded by these officiers!
~Kim G.
I was watching Emily's stream & she brought up how strange it is that the defense seems to be more outraged about the investigation than the CW.
Go to a neighbors house to ask for containers but NOOOO dont dare knock on the house that the dead body is found in front of!
I know. It goes so much against protocol and how all homicide investigations are conducted.
The paper bag containing uncovered Solo cups with blood soaked snow tells us how much disdain they had for him.
BEYOND DESPICABLE! 😤😤 My heart broke for his family and for Karen when they put that picture up. 💔💔
And the fact that brown paper bag was within 2 ft of the taillight making cross examination and any evidence the prosecution had not viable and should have been reason enough to dismiss this case with prejudice . It's an automatic mistrial for mishandling of evidence and malicious prosecution
@@user-lv1wn3ff1uand you can be sure they will try to introduce the DNA evidence they supposedly got from the car, after leaving that unattended and available to be manipulated for 3 days. The defense will destroy them if they dare to bring the DNA. These are mid level career and senior officers, these are not rookie errors, this looks like a sabotaged work.
@@lhr8833 very much so. I think it was planned by all party's up to include the da and even the judge involved . It looks and smells like it was concocted maliciously over time but they made way to many mistakes and didn't expect the storm to be as light as it was in the beginning of the event.
That was the criminalist taking custody of the evidence
@@lhr8833continently left right by the broken taillight !!🤔🤔
I know a lot of the CPD. You nailed it when you said “they didn’t want to know the truth”. They’re protecting the Albert family.
Office Goode was able to drive to his house to get the leafblower, but couldn't drive the same distance to the police station to get proper evidence collection containers?
That’s exactly what I said!
That was the question to the LT. who said they didnt have the equipment nor did they handle crime scenes. Its a situation that was just the worst of everything. State declined to come, a massive storm was going on, and they were doing their best, maybe?
Right! Unbelievable
@@me36391there’s no excuse for them not trying to use the forensic swabs AND makeshift evidence cups together for collection. Also, once they got the evidence there, the least they could do is store it properly. 🤦♀️
@@me36391agree. If you don’t have equipment you don’t. I am not sure what they could have done if they don’t have evidence collecting bags, but prosecutor does such a sloppy job in highlighting the difficult situation and we are left with an excellent defense team poking holes,
Nothing proves she did anything, proves how corrupt this town is
He lied when he said "a brown evidence bag". It was a shopping bag. Omg.
Yeah they definitely weren’t “sealed in a brown evidence bag” like he claimed in testimony. It’s clearly OPEN!
The photo was taken 3 days later. It's not clear if it's in the same paper bag or if it's been opened since, or who has had access to it since collection
How do you know that? Please show us.
@@barbaramay1866 He called it a brown evidence bag. It was a grocery bag. Haven't you been listening to the testimony?
👍👍They all lied or changed their story which is also a lie to me . Something is off here and they all really messed up.
If it looks like a coverup, sounds like a coverup and smells like a coverup, it must be a coverup.
it doesnt look, sound or smell like a coverup. it must not be a coverup.
apt as well as the dog getting rehomed they also got rid of the concertre in the basement and sold the house for less what does that say and apt the fbi did a investigation wrote a report saying this guy john was beat up in that house not hit by a car how did they get this to court. its madness
@@enzoinfinity1I’m super curious for someone who thinks she did do this - what do you think of all this weird police work and coincidences? I really want to understand it from the opposite point of view that I have
@@jessicaharris4701 I have no idea if she did it. But at this point I'm definitely not buying the fantastic frame job story.
It's a small police department that generally doesn't investigate homicides who's resources were overwhelmed during a blizzard. This doesn't excuse the mistakes and "cut corners", but also doesn't mean that those mistakes or oddities are necessarily the malevolent acts of conspirators trying to pull a massive frame job.
@@mandy2117 "fbi did a investigation wrote a report saying this guy john was beat up in that house not hit by a car how did they get this to court. its madness"
Where are you getting this information?
The Defense??
If I were O'Keefe's family, I'd file a suit against the county or sheriff's office, or whoever handled this case. I have a feeling they won't be getting any justice. 😔
They think she killed him!!! Karen Read needs to sue them
@@kerrymedeiros509I’m not sure they are that convinced anymore. His brother’s face is looking very angry as evidence comes in.
They think she did it cuz the morning it happened she thought she might have done it. Like he changed his mind and ran after her car as she was leaving and slipped on the ice under the tire or something. It wasn’t until this cover up story came out and they started investigating that she realized she really didn’t do it. Her boyfriend was found dead right where she dropped him off the night before and the last thing she thought was they beat him up inside then put him on the side of the road. But because she thought she might have done it she panicked and ran to her parents house and John’s family took that as a sign of guilt. Jen McCabe also went straight to John’s family the day he died and cozied up to them and has been cozy with them ever since. So the O’Keefe’s have had the McCabes & Alberts whispering in their ears the last two years. I don’t know if they still think she’s guilty anymore tho. I don’t see how they could after everything that’s come out and the fbi investigation into this investigation.
@@Wanderlust218 and when they talked about her, I felt they still care for her.
She had an affair
Peter sounds really outraged, as am I. This is unconscienable. I know a family of cops and they can't believe how this was handled.
Prosecution is looking more like they are trying to prove 3rd party didn't do it rather than trying to prove KR did it. Sloppy....
Exactly
Absolutely.
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EXACTLY.
If this is all on the level, the Prosecution shouldn't be acknowledging the Defense's theory AT ALL.
Not a single second of the Prosecution's time should be spent engaging with the Defense on that issue.
Cops like Lank is the reason people video tape the police with cell phones!
AbsolFriggenloutely, excuse me for saying this but what an arrogant A-----e!! He for Sure demonstrated he didn't care about Officer John O'Keefe!!!
This is the sloppiest investigation I've ever heard of. The prosecution has proved nothing to me. Reasonable doubt everywhere so far. So sad for the victim. I'm also following this trial without any prior knowledge on the case.
OMG. No it is not.
@barbaramay1866 “OMG, it is not.” That’s all I need to know..
@@RationalNon-conformist Well good then.😇😁
It’s so weird they went to a neighbor’s house for solo cups to “preserve” evidence but didn’t just walk up to the house John o’Keefe was laying dead in front of…
Plus not having as a police dept their own equipment instead of having to ask for....
From what I understand, the neighbour was also a police officer.
The neighbor was a police chief.
@@SJG321Sheesh, is that the only job in this town?
Great point!
"Nothing of this investigation was standard" Then HOW on earth did the prosecution move forward with this case? and THEN the judge decided to move forward too? It's preposterous!
The prosecution moved forward, the judge decided to move forward, the grand jury chose to not only indict, but upgrade the charges from manslaughter.
Almost makes you wonder if maybe they all know something we don't.
@drewc771 The grand jury received a lot of lies as you'll see when the defense supplies evidence provided to them by the fbi investigating the investigation. Note also that the pos corrupt DA Morrisey, who Lally works under, and whose office is prosecting this case, is also currently under investigation. It is all still ongoing. Hold on to your seat for the explosive details to come.
@drewc it depends if the grand jury were misled, which has been known to happen before…
@@basicallyno1722they 100% were
Risky by DA. Not sure he can even vote for dog catcher if this doesn't pan out.
The solo cups and Stop and Shop bag had my jaw on the floor!! 😲🤯
And the snowblower.
@@terryarmstrong8598 Yes! How could I forget the snow blower!
Ditto-You mean Leaf Blower!
@@livingdeeply15 Jesus! 🤦🏼♀️ Yes, the leaf blower!!
They left to go get a leaf blower, but couldn’t go the mile to the station to get even evidence bags.
Exactly….I totally agree👍👍
they has a grocery bag. why bother? 😂😂
Plus, he said he wasn't familiar with the home and the owners less than five minutes before he admitted to being a neighbor and zipping right over to grab his leaf blower... They're all such liars. And I think they're more than incompetent because they can't even kind of admit to their ridiculous and obvious mistakes!
My thoughts exactly
@@janai5074This is just so so bad
If she says oh my God I hit him ..WHY DIDN'T HER CAR GET IMPOUNDED RIGHT THEN AN THERE ????? JUST SAYN......
If she had said this at the scene the police would have taken her in for questioning.
100% to both comments. I watched several streams. If they had taken her & the car immediately, the tail light may have a small crack or scratch from when she bumped OJO's vehicle as she was backing out to go find him. Definitely no shattered tail light.
«Did you go inside the house to investigate?»
«No, absolutely not!»
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Right, uh, um, no probable cause, are YOU kidding!!!!
I don’t know how they could convict her with the tainted evidence. Those solo cups by the car give me more than reasonable doubt.
And I have worked at a solo cup before and know that those cups are touched by employees very much so and with no gloves
The blood is not the basis of the charge. If it was, you are right. The solo cups are just evidence of shoddy work. A person’s first utterances are typically considered very reliable which is why they are not excluded by hearsay rules. This DA is relying on Karen’s hysterical first utterances as the basis of the charge. Tunnel vision to extreme.
@juliesears4585 we haven't seen all the prosecution evidence, but my understanding is that they are going to introduce evidence that his dna/blood was on her suv. Hence it's important that those cups with his blood are sitting uncovered by her car in the sally port...
@@IAmALawyerToo I don't think we know what the DA is most relying on. We haven't seen it yet.
Ordinarily solo cups for collection is wack. In a snowstorm time is of the essence thing a jury in that particular area understands weather may think ok, any port in a storm is better than no port.
The Alberts didn’t go outside during everything because they were too busy hiding evidence! There is no way they didn’t hear Karen screaming & all the commotion, especially him being a cop!
Right. I'm still trying to figure out when they drug the body out into the snow, and when did they piece together the tail-light from Karen's vehicle. One thing I do know, this would make for a good book.
@@j50wellswhen the car was pulled out front blocking the view of the police captain or SGT across the street (as reported by I believe it was the snow plow guy- or maybe it was the witness who went to KR lawyers office detailing exactly what was told to him about John getting beaten, having a seizure, vomiting on himself- etc way before the evidence or testimony info showed to that.) It’s a known thing that happened, that’s consistent with his injury’s, the dog bites, the vomit, the new cement basement floor; the distancing themselves from ever being in the basement- the dog not being around- why does it matter? Why can’t your dog be around your guests- oh- cause it bit JOK. Even after “being notified” they didn’t come outside. They will all get what’s coming to them. Disgusting
The Red solo 🥤 team, in a paper bag, left out in the garage-Absolute insanity for lack of chain ⛓️ of custody!!! 😡⚖️🏛🎯
I dont believe a single word that these cops have spoken. Do they not see how stupid and corrupt they look???
They do not look corrupt. Conspiracy doesnt work- facts d0
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@valiakthey loeppel7252 they may not look corrupt (not sold on that), but they definitely look incompetent
They look very corrupt. The testimony from the officer who got in a fight for the Albert’s is text-book corruption.
@@Unknown.servant well see how you feel by the end of this trial....
This case has so much reasonable doubt and it’s the prosecution so far. Karen Read was framed imo
I’m doing rewatch. After today, I’d be mortified as the family hearing how careless they were with the scene.
THIS!!! I come from a multi generational LE family. I worry everyday for the dangers they face in today’s environment of community distrust. THIS department is why there are so many who do not trust and respect police.
Excellent point and very sad for the profession.
I respect individual police officers for the work they do , its a thankless job. However, Im conscious that an individual works within a system which can have its problems. It´s terrible for the individual officers who actually want to do a good job. In some countries this is why sadly less people join the police force ,which in turn contributes to standards of entry being affected. I´m talking here about a different country not US. The people I know are also multi generational. I agree with your point.
You’re not wrong. Just a few bad seeds can and do spoil a whole lot. Sadly it’s up to LE to not turn a blind eye to the corruption.
It could also be that you lie all the time. It gets to be habit. There is no way to respect that 😢
@@cindz4618It's definitely not a thankless job! People are thanking police with lawn signs, blue line bumper stickers, and ass-kissing all the time. They get thanked for their corruption everyday 😊
My hubby, 2 bil’s, one son all LE in California… I cannot believe the incompetence, the over confidence and arrogance, total disregard of professional procedures
They wouldn’t ask consent to search the house in a death investigation but the fact it’s a death investigation is not enough to justify at least requesting a probable cause warrant?! Make it make sense. 🤯
The fact that the bag of red solo cups with blood was next to the SUV, makes me also think that they were there because they were planting evidence onto the vehicle. Kind of weird the blood evidence was placed right next to the SUV in my opinion.
So the supposed timeline of events:
1. Karen, John and a bunch of people went to the bar and left at 1am when it closed to go to the Albert house. Karen didn't join them but dropped John off
2. At 4:23am Karen realised John hadn't come home and began calling around asking where he is
3 At 5:07am Karen and 2 others went looking for John when he still hadn't turned up
4. At approx 6am Karen was the one to find Johns body
5. This is apparently when Karen was hysterical and said something to the effect of "did i hit him?"
Police investigation found a broken piece of cocktail glass and pieces of Karen's tail light at the scene. The coroner found John died from 'blunt force injuries to the head and hypothermia'
Problems with this case..
1. The dog bite and scratch marks on Johns arms are a BIG problem with the prosecution claiming he was hit by a car and no fight took place.. And the footage of Karen backing into the car as she went looking for john
2. If this group left the bar knowing they're meeting up at the Albert place, how did no one notice Karen drop him off (possibly run over him and kill him in their yard) and then leave for a few hours.. No one saw a body on their way in or out of the house before Karen found him at 6am? No one heard anything?
3. If Karen wanted John dead as the prosecution suggests they were separating/fighting a lot at the time, how would she have managed this? She can't hold him behind the car and back up quick enough to intentionally kill him, especially in a snow storm. Or as the prosecution pointed out she had a BAC of .23 at the time so she barely would have been able to drive anyway
4. Is she really brazen enough in a drunk state to murder her police husband literally in the backyard of his police buddies?! And if this was the case why would she be calling people at 4am wondering where he is? Surely she wouldn't want to be the one to find him if she knew she killed him.
These are all questions I also have and that I will need to know more about. I don't want to make up my mind just yet but it's wild right now
@@cd566 There's too many suspicious things the police and Alberts did to make anything convincing.. The dog bites on the arm and the fact the Alberts got rid of the dog soon after? That's pretty telling, i don't know why they haven't tried to find the dog and link DNA which would prove he entered the house at least
I haven't really followed the case before the trial but I heard that they didn't find animal dna on the bite...
If it's not an animal, what are these scratches and how come the coat or hoodie isn't torn or has the same scratches it's the car caused it 🤔
The Alberts also had their basement floor ripped out and the room “redone” several weeks afterwards.
@@AmberMoonLight22 oh wow what a timing !
What an awful lieutenant. He gives the strong impression that the whole dept is rotten. He is now in charge of internal affairs?! Wow.
So a broken glass in a front yard makes you think the victim stole it from a bar over it coming from the house? That’s absurd
People walk out of bars with their glass all the time. It does happen more often than youd think.
@@shelly1nj41 That doesn't matter. The house is 25 feet away from his body. The bar was the previous evening and miles away. The house should be ruled out first for the glass's source.
He on video taking glass from bar
But they wouldn’t have known that on the day
He's seen on video leaving bar with glass in hand, clearly unnoticed by bartender. Glass found by the body, shattered. He never entered that house.
The contamination controls with red solo cups in an open stop and shop bag in the sallyport with blue glove in the bag and removing the tail light is a loss of material control. It is direct malpractice and criminal. How it is not fruit of the poison tree is beyond me FBI
Well said @Markblain!
I think the most telling thing is Mr. Albert NOT coming out of his house when there’s a fellow officer in his front yard needing medical attention. A 1st responder, trained in life saving attempts, sitting in his house while a fellow officer of a career that is known as a “brotherhood” is getting CPR from a non-1st responder(Karen Reed). I’ve never heard of an officer just sitting & watching. Even officers that are off duty will step in. I need to hear that man’s explanation as to why he didn’t go outside.
who's to say he couldn't have been saved if he had received cpr from a first time responder
If I was on this jury, I'd be praying that KR is actually innocent, because I couldn't convict anyone that this shoddy investigation focused on. I'd hate to feel like she could have done it, but these clowns botched it. So sad for the victim's family. They all deserved better than this.
Agreed. I couldn't convict someone with solo cups from a cops house, leaf-blowing evidence, and shipping bags as evidence bags. I just couldn't! 😢
I think the biggest problem the prosecution has is the broken taillight. The detective said they used a leaf blower, to look for evidence, and found a broken drinks glass, which is clear, but never found any dark red taillight pieces, till days after.
The Mass State Police evidence team found some of the taillight 12 hours later after 16-18 inches of snow fell. Trooper Proctor went back to the scene at least 5 undocumented times and found more taillight. Canton Chief of Police Berkowitz was driving by 34 Fairview Road some days later and saw another piece of taillight while driving by the home…
Because taillight is lighter and rises to the top of the snow. 🤦🏽♀️
The leaf blowers paints all kinds of pictures of fresh snow, evidence, blood, shoe prints, and anything else pertinent to the case going up in a great big snow cloud.
@@JC-us6roWHAT?! It’s snow, not water- and even in water it wouldn’t rise- it would be packed into the snow below and above it as more came down.
@@TheAverageSavage1021 I’m being facetious, Hence the facepalm emoji.
It would be over for me as a juror when I heard they used red solo cups for collect evidence 😂😂😂
Me too. Did they have to empty the beer out first?
@@j50wells 🤣
JO and Karen are the victims, and I hope the perpetratorS pay for this, financially and physically!
This witness with his arrogance and inability or unwillingness to do due diligence places so many doubts against the guilt of the defendant.
John was not confirmed dead yet. It wasnt a murder investigation yet. Jeez
So what does that matter, you still do a proper investigation & give the person whom is harmed your due diligence in the investigation!!!
That judge is absolutely biased. It's totally obvious....I'm in the UK and watching this is infuriating as its plain as day who's guilty. How does a tail light break into 40 plus pieces hitting a soft surface, I.e a person 🤔
Judge is involved in the cover up, imo. This whole bunch are extremely dumb criminals. Hopefully the jury isn't part of it. If so, there will no justice and an innocent woman will go to prison.
Tail lights will break when hitting someone but you do have to be going 10-15 miles an hour or more to do.
@@palmettophoenixsocietyDisagree 😂
I have just seen it happen a few times while working EMS for 15 years. It’s not often but it does happen.
Great observation 😊
I cant wait until Karen Read sues the state!!! This is so crazy, cant even believe the state though they had a case
With these laywers, I don't think she'll have any money left..lol
@@TammyMacMacwouldn’t be surprised if they took it anyways and just got a chunk of the settlement as payment.
If it weren't for Turtleboy she'd have run out of defence money long ago and not have had the public finding important evidence, like the recent close photos of 'aquaintances'.
@@TammyMacMacwhen you sue it costs nothing until the pay out. Lawyers won’t take case unless they think they will win
Please help; who is Turtleboy?
What gets to me listening to testimonies is the amount of people who possibly were framed before or didn't het a fair trial because of these cops and cops like this.
Karen Read is doing a service to all who came before and hopefully for those who may yet be falsely accused
None of these ppl claim to know Jennifer but they all call her Jen ?
And the way she is in everything. She called 911, she is the one that picked up Karen to look for John, she is the one that told her to “stop talking” in front of the corrupt EMT, she did the searches, she entered in the house. I can’t wait for her interview.
Even on official police reports, I guess it goes hand in hand with the 40 odd bits of light, no securing the crime scene of a fallen officer and those fantastic solo cups and leaf blower CSI techniques
Paying attention 😊
No reason EVER to mishandle evidence. It makes it useless. Saying we didn’t have such and such so used a solo cup is messed up. Why bother as is now useless evidence
Yeah, isn't the protocol to let someone watch it, with a dash cam or body cam on, and wait for the proper materials to arrive!?
I'm seeing a movie version with Matt Damon,Leonardo DiCaprio and Mark Walhburg playing these cops. Their own version of The Departed Part Deux.
Omg yes! Especially Mark Walburg having that Jersey accent!
Mark Walhburg is actually from Dorchester “Southie” which is a part of Boston making it even better.
Yes Mark is from Boston & Very Proud of it!!!!😊
Like a bad lifetime movie
@@laurenmarton9760he’s from Ma
I dont see how they could come to a guilty verdict at this point. The way the cops handled this is odd to say the least
Jury could still want to protect cops
There is definitely enough reasonable doubt .
This cop is an a-hole. He says wasn’t moved and only got info from witnesses but then has nerve to act insulted when asked take word in other cases he says OF COURSE NOT. what does he mean of course not, he just admitted to doing it. How can he say didn’t investigate as no probable cause. Ok can’t go into house due to that but investigation is suppose to be done, don’t need probable cause to investigate and to ask questions. That is the whole job the whole point when have an incident - TO INVESTIGATE!!!
McLaughlin also said (re: photos) “they look old.” Even if she didn’t say it outright, she lied and it begs the question “why did you lie Katie?”
How can you find a body on the front lawn of the house he supposedly spent the night drinking and claim that there was no exigent circumstances, a judge wouldn't sign a search warrant, and also not even bother to just ask consent to search? Police really only had 1 suspect in mind ever
Karen Read should NOT be on trial for 2nd degree murder. It’s an egregiously overcharge at best. This charge alone shows the unfairness and bias against her. THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN IN THE U.S. Where are the checks and balances?!
They’re adding the 2nd degree murder to overcharge and hope either that Read would plead to a lesser or that the jury would convict on a lesser.
It got me the most when he said they don’t process murder scenes. Excuse me sir WHY did you process THIS one then? Like why break your protocol? Doesn’t make sense unless it’s a cover up
What I have heard is that the State police (the group that DOES process the murder scene in MA) were unable or unwilling to come due to the storm and/or because he wasn't yet declared dead.
@AcmeRocket if I'm right though, he was pronounced dead at 7.15 or 7.50am and the detective with the leaf blower (that was using it) was doing so at around 8.30am? I think. I'd like to see evidence that the state police were even contacted, or has that been shown? Dunno how the jury will remember everything lol
Hopefully like I have seen with other Jurors they have notebooks & write points down!
Especially the fact that it was a dead police officer. You think they’d go the extra extra mile.
@@AcmeRocket they said the state police don't come out unless someone is declared dead. So, what do they do for non-lethal crimes? Assaults, rapes etc? Do those people not deserve proper investigation?
For him to say that those cups couldn’t have been tainted due to them being new is completely incorrect.. I have worked at solo cup in different departments and all materials are handled with bare hands and I say that as a previous machine operator
Can you imagine the touch DNA??? omg
Exactly! It needs time be sanitary. Wtf were any of them thinking?
Because she didn't say it?
@@Tammy_26Irwin Not just sanitary, sterile.
@@selinesbeau yeah that too I meant to write that Aunt forgot to so thank you
Cannot believe these cops would treat one of their own like this...... Red Solo cup pfff
Corrupt and inept law enforcement departments is a huge problem in this country. We pay way too much for what we get!!
his blood on her car is one piece of evidence the prosecution is using , the photo of the bag in the sally port next to the car in my mind totally negates that evidence , its not reliable becasue the procedures for collecting and storing evidence is beyond negligent
And we now know Higgins was in and out of the Sally port many times over the next 2days.
This is shameful. His are this “professionals” not embarrassed. I’m originally from Boston area and am disgusted with his this handled and the quality (lack of) of investigation.
Why are you ashamed of Boston police, this is not the first or second or third time of corruption. This stuff has been going on for decades and its now 2024 your disgusted and ashamed. You know how Much innocent people are in jail from Boston police.
Peter as a fellow Officer that has been killed why would they not go all out to investigate and try to solve this??
Apparently all of the cops, firefighters and paramedics pulled up with no “sirens” so the Alberts can say they slept through it - but you know that German shepherd didn’t sleep through it - she had to be barking like crazy - she was a protective dog who didn’t like strangers.
@@2TurntKaren No, I disagree. We had a German Sheppard cross with an attitude - barked at anyone, attacked the paper boy, kept neighbors awake, etc. We found as other found, that a muzzle is a perfect solution. They can't bark, can't snarl and it's almost humiliating to them - they instantly are subdued. I have to believe that the Alberts knew this trick, having a dog with a behaviour problem.
@@canuckproducer8446 you think they muzzled their dog before going to sleep every night?
@kristyreynolds my sentiments exactly!!! None of these officiers appear to care at all about this man OR?
~Kim G.
@@2TurntKaren I suggested nothing about muzzling every night. Just sharing that if you wanted to shut up your dog immediately, a muzzle works. I would think with behavioural problems they encountered with Cloe, the probably had a muzzle.
9:19 This witness really stuck in my craw! The defiance and contempt he had the for Atty Jackson and some of his rude/totally out of line comments (that the judge really should have called him on, and we ALL know she isn't afraid to interject!) had me legit pi$$ed off and so frustrated! He was so evasive and just came out looking terrible in the end, IMO. Credibility shot!
This case literally makes my brain catapult out of my head.
😂 my favourite little piece of the internet today is this comment! 🏆💗
I hope John's parents/relatives wake up and sue the police and the whole bunch behind this!..
Your reaction about the OPEN solo cups and leaf blower was so validating! It’s a place where it snows. A lot. Frequently. How do they not have sterile collection containers?
I suspect most of you are too young to have followed the OJ case. Not me! At the time of the 1st OJ case, I was about 5-6 years out of law school & well entrenched in my job as a litigator. Listening to the testimony today about solo cubs, a leaf blower, etc. felt hauntingly similar to the evidentiary problems that I think created too much reasonable doubt back in the first OJ case.
I watched it! It was very crazy!
Yep… I watched every day damn near. And this Detective Proctor…. Is gonna be their Mark Fuhrman. And citizens hated the cops at the time due to Rodney King cops getting off. Similar to People hating these cops for no F’s given on actually doing their job PLUS it’s a fellow officer, plus the nepotism with this cop family.
Plus I really REALLY have serious reasonable doubt… they are just not proving anything yet.
First OJ case?? I don’t remember more than 1 trial as OJ being the defendant for the unalivings. Unless you’re talking about the criminal and then civil trials?? Maybe … he sure had the best defense lawyers money could buy and the compromised detective certainly didn’t help the State… so many things came into play in that trial. Agreed that I can see the jury having reasonable doubt … I think I’ll hear “If the glove don’t fit, you must acquit” forever in my head! BS but wow 😮 Marcia Clarke had a rough go with that one to be sure. Kato ?? Oh my… I think OJ was the 2nd trial I watched… The Brothers first trial was the 1st trial I saw, then OJ and then the Brothers again… I think that OJ’s NG had a lot to do with the G for the Brothers on the 2nd time when tried together … now those trials were sus in lots of ways.. imo
@@suzanneoc1963he had a second case years later. For some assault in Las Vegas.
Didn't he get done for robbery too?
Regardless of whether a warrant or probable cause would've stood up to scrutiny, I absolutely believe the "exigent circumstances" policy could've been applied to search the home. There's a body laying lifeless & bloody in the driveway of someone's house. It would've been entirely appropriate for LE to apply a preliminary search of the house to, at the very least, make sure there were no other injured people inside based on exigent circumstances.
I thought the State's indictment of Kyle Rittenhouse was a clown show for a whole host of reasons, but this case appears to be idiocy on steroids.
A dead body is probable cause no?
Oh but the shattering of the tail light when they tried to remove it!!!!
I thought that was a bomb dropped by the defense!
I would HOPE they took a 100 pictures of the light before removing it… but knowing these cops 🙄😒
They took a video of the blower but no pics of the tail light. He said they broke it when they took it out but then back peddled frantically. The lies by LE are actually just blowing my mind
Omg when was this ?? How have I missed this info 😮
@@user-dz5ph8pu5w this was yesterday, on the cross of the first cop
I’m sick of corrupt cops
Additionally, not over-looking the fact--that most (if not all) of those present at the Albert's had been out drinking at bar(s) all night; returning to Albert's home to continue more of the same. These are law enforcement officers out driving on the roads, intoxicated and during a major snow storm--wow, "clearly arrogant (above the law) mentality".
Doesn't this put into question any blood evidence they claim was found on KR vehicle when it was in the Sallyport with a Stop and Shop bag full of blood filled solo cups sitting next to the vehicle ?
And the cups were left unattended, by the side of the car. I think they were there with the purpose of smearing some of that in the car. Those test have no credibility now.
Reasonable doubt: check! ✔️
That’s exactly what the defense is trying to show
Not to speak of using a snow blower at the scene which would have blown blood / dna all over officers clothing, hands etc…more potential touch DNA if any of them touched the car. Moot point anyway as there would be no way to prove how the DNA got there. Could have been there before that night if John touched the car.
@@wagstowishesk9training954yes!!
One would think that if they thought there was a potential for conflict of interest and everything was on the up and up, that the Canton police would want to make sure that all proper protocol was followed but it seems, based on testimony, that no protocol was followed.
Only if they want the crime solved
ARROGANCE…they never imagined in a million years this case would garner so much attention, let alone the Feds’ involvement.
#FreeKarenRead
The blood evidence bag was not sealed. It was left open and later placed beside Karen Read’s vehicle. How could that even happen? Very sketch.
They don't have time to get evidence collecting containers 1.5 miles from the PD yet the other officer goes home 1/2 mile to get his leaf blower? Really, they can't drive 4 mins?? Shady and shoddy! And this witness is a Lt??!
They didn't have any at the station.. He literally Said that. I would assume when you realize you cannot do yoir job as required you'd get someone else (forensic team) But I guess the decided to wing it 😳
When bad things happen in sleepy little towns. CPD needs to send their cops back to school.
I’m now officially hooked on this case and its coverage!
Can you imagine the lab person receiving that sample???
Omg right!!! Good comment!
It’s time to play evidence or beer pong! 😂
WTH?! This “investigation” was atrocious!
They didn't. There's a motion about the DNA evidence because the prosecution don't have the results back from the lab over 2 years after the murder. I guess it melted away
After 3 days apparently -if I understood right...
He says there was no probable cause to enter the house but surely a corpse on the front lawn gives rise to the exigent circumstances exception
I thought the most frustrating case I’ve ever seen (on YT) was Kowalski v. JHACH…this one takes the cake. It’s also insulting our intelligence. I got my first degree in Criminal Justice and some of the things being said in this under oath by LE is unreal!!!
A wrongful arrest by a dirty cop can possibly haunt someone for YEARS afterwards, even when charges are DROPPED by the DA without ever going to court!! Individuals or government employees who require DoD Security clearances HAVE to ANSWER, and EXPLAIN in detail, the following question on their DoD clearance questionnaire: “Have you ever been arrested, held, or detained on charges, EVEN IF those those charges were DROPPED?” I’m retired now, but I was arrested and falsely charged with a DUI by a dirty cop who attempted to harass me when I was only 23. The DA took one look at the fact I had blown a .05 and confirmed I had passed their FST’s and threw the case against me out!! (For those that DON’T know this, most states have a “little known law” that even though .08 is the legal LIMIT, anything a .05 or ABOVE is the “LE officer’s judgement” and you can STILL get arrested!!) Although it never hindered me professionally, as someone who worked for the next 30 years in DoD Security management, I had to continually list and explain that DUI charge every time I had to be investigated and cleared for a new government program customer!! I definitely support our LE but learned at an early age that NOT ALL LE officers are honest and trustworthy!!
You only have to look at Suffolk county NY, Burke and Spota were running a mob in their department. The press statement this DA put out defending this Albert family was something else. I'm really surprised this case made it to court but the judge's brother defended one of the Albert's in a violent assault in 2023 and she refused to recuse herself from the trial so I just hope justice is served here.
That must have been a horrible experience and realization...
Surely Detective Albert would have been ESPECIALLY understanding about following the steps of a proper investigation!
I stayed away from ALL pre-trial coverage & hearing this Detective’s testimony today, wow, the defendant’s life is on the line! I can’t believe there was a fight to try this case, this is embarrassing. The amount of $$ that the defendant is having to spend to defend herself against this mess of an investigation is … I have no words to describe how messy I feel this entire trial is (for so many people) & this is a perfect example of how our country has a mess when it comes to our law enforcement & judicial systems. Had a private defense attorney not been able to be retained & a public defender assigned; this defendant, like so many others, would very likely suffer a wrongful conviction.
If she "wins" would she be entitled to have her legal fees paid? or is that not a thing?
THIS ONE THAT SAYS, SURE, SURE, SURE. NO, IT NEEDS TO BE YES OR NO!!
So far we have the accused being described as a girlfriend with MS who took care of he BF's stepkids during the pandemic. As a couple they never had major fights. She had hurt feelings when her boyfriend was flirting with another woman. Plus she had blood on her face from trying to rescusitate her boyfriend. She was yelling things when distraught. Need to hear the forensics. (How did she back into him on the street?)
When the prosecution presents evidence, it feels like 52 pick-up of facts. The defense seems to be taking the prosecution's evidence and putting their ducks in a row and is fitting their narrative.
Just a suggestion that Canton PD be required to wear bodycams and have them turned on after this case.
I think that bodycams should be mandatory in all police and NOT switched off unless stated legally why beforehand - eg a minor...dont know all the legal consequences but I think its a backup on all sides - police included if accused themselves of malpractice..
Day by day, it looks like more and more like a frame-up
Facts!! WE CANNOT BELIEVE ALL PEOPLE IN POWER!! THIS CASE RIGHT HERE, SAYS IT ALL!!
THIS LANK GUY IS BAD NEWS.
THIS CASE SHOULD BE THROWN OUT!!
It’s rather astonishing that most people don’t seem to understand the basic concept that those who wield power are the least likely to be honest. Same can be said about the preposterous notion that somehow wealth is tantamount to quality of character - when the opposite is most often the truth. Society behaves as if poverty is a character flaw, and generational wealth is a result of being a good person… but the opposite is more often the truth.
The wealthy become so by being willing to do ANYTHING to gain wealth and power - and will do anything to keep it.
Many people are poor because they can’t bring themselves to hoard wealth when their neighbors are struggling.
There are no absolutes, and there are often unusual circumstances - but the worship of wealth is disgraceful.
I was 45 minutes behind so I missed the live but about the officers not entering the home: wouldn’t the glass found outside have been the reasonable suspicion they would have needed to be able to enter the house? Which is a point the defense could have argued: They had a reason to enter the house but they chose to not connect those dots bc they were biased.
It is surprising.
They thought it was from the bar they were at earlier apparently
@@intothemindshaftBut if they knew they'd come from the bar, presumably they'd also know that he was dropped off for the after party at the house, which surely would be probable cause for the search.
I find it totally implausible that they knew about the bar but not the after party. And they wouldn't have had any CCTV showing him leaving the bar with a glass at this point in the investigation.
They say now they thought it was from the bar but I think any reasonable person would have wondered where it came from if they were not directly told “this came from the bar”. To me, it would be an easy jump to question whether the glass came from a bar or the house and then investigate to determine the answer.
I was shocked that Lt Gallagher never wrote a report about the day of the incident (when he took charge of the evidence collection). He was also never interviewed when the state took over. In fact he was never interviewed until 2yrs later!
I also wonder if the Canton police ever told the state police that it was another officer who was unconscious in the snow and may not make it and if they stressed their lack of evidence collecting equipment and knowledge.
Too many holes botched investigation defensive marks on his arms should be dismissed
This case make my intestines feel like they’re on fire
This trial has been excellent - I just wish I had enough hours in the day to watch this and Daybell!!
And Chris Gregor
I was coming here to see if I should watch. Been to busy watching the Daybell case. I’m sure ordering if this judge would frustrate me because I heard she is sort of one sided?
@@Monica-gene1 it hasn’t been as bad as I heard. I’ve been watching/listening to the entirety of the Daybell trial and watching recaps of Read on LYK
body language from the officer on the stand, is very telling! They're in the Boston area, how is a snow storm an anomaly for a crime investigation? Nepotism seems very REAL in this case. This guy on the stand is obviously (body language) (MOUTH) hating every word he has to speak and is doing his best to not say so much of what he should be saying.
Lawsuit is not sought to be admitted for TOMA. It’s being offered to show he will do what he needs to do to protect another teammate. Same with not arresting his Albert friend for hit and run! Both the federal court case and the hit & run case is stunning evidence of pattern of conduct, motive, etc. Like a law school exam hypothetical!
What is TOMA?
@@cindz4618 for the Truth Of the Matter Asserted. If out of court statement (OOCS) by one not subject to cross examination is sought to be admitted to prove the truth of the matter asserted, it is considered heresay and not admissible at trial … unless any of multiple exceptions exist. If OOCS is sought to be admitted for another reason, then it is not considered heresay & should be admitted unless other exceptions exist. Basically, not every OOCS is considered heresay - In the situation about which I commented, the defense wants to have out of court statements (public records) admitted not for the Truth of the Matter Asserted (TOMA) by the court records: not because the defense wants to prove the officer being examined got into a fight that led to litigation, and not to try to show the officer is bad, and not to try to show he is to blame for O’Keefe’s death. Rather, the defense believes the 22 year old record shows that this officer (&, perhaps, the department) have a propensity or history of “protecting” members of the Albert family from the consequences of his/her/their actions …. Sorry - not great at explaining heresay!
14 homicides in Canton in 2023. Did this cop commit perjury testifying there was no homicides in Canton?
This happened in 2022. Maybe all those homicides happened after finding out how the investigations are handled??
Seemed like they were "cleaning up" the snow! Why didn't they put a cover over it and call in forensics? There was no proper "chain of custody".
After watching pre trial, I thought Bev was going to be obviously bias but she has surprised me. The heavy breathing when Defence is talking is quite annoying.
I agree with you. Using red solo cups is ridiculous.
It's such a shame that the Jury can't see any of this. If I were on the Jury and later saw this video - i’d be furious!! Feels like information is being kept from them when they should hear everything that's relivent!
18:21 They were planting the evidence with the plastic bag beside her vehicle.
Blood on tail light fragments 🤔🤔🤔
Peter, now you are discovering why so many are outraged at this trial and charges.