At 5:25 so prophetic - "Greg Chappell always said this if India got their act together.... they could have 3 test teams and they'd still beat everybody in the world". 2 years after this discussion an India C team beat Australia in their own backyard.
GamerZpower he’s saying population is an advantage to India in the way that there are just so many people ready to play at the highest level Take the opening pair for India... Pritvi Shaw gets injured Murali Vijay gets picked, Murali Vijay and KL Rahul underperform? Don’t worry Vihari and Agarwal will come in and replace them. Ashwin gets injured, Kuldeep Yadav, Ravindra Jadeja, Yusvendar Chahal are all ready to step up!
Look at Australia and when finch got dropped they had to move the number three up because they didn’t have anyone performing... Smith and warner gone and their team crumbles. Look at it this way, i would struggle to imagine even the best test team stand a chance to beat India in India without Kholi and Pujara...
@@harshshirodkar1574 Iceland beat England. By your logic shouldn't India and China be on top of every sport? As a matter of fact why isn't China champion when it comes to cricket.
India punched below it's weight in cricket because team selection involved a lot of dirty politics in the past. Players in the team were protected despite of poor performances because they knew the right people. Now thanks to IPL there is plethora of talent and the future of Indian cricket is bright.
Yeah but now look after a year and a half AUSTRALIA is BACK they won the ashes and they are no1.. it's mainly because of bbl.. maxwell, stonis etc Phillipe future of Australian cricket looks bright
@Debanjan Biswas Time certainly does change things. But right now India has one great player, Kohli. He is a joy to watch. But I am afraid this current Indian team can in no way be compared to great teams of the past. The West Indies Teams 78 to about 92 were next level. The Australian team about 95 to 2006 were next level.
@Debanjan Biswas Yes l agree. The comment l was replying to said India has taken it to the next level. I can't see that to be the case. Cricket and cricketer's has always been judged and compared to the past. We can't get away from that. This Indian team and others to come may well prove to be a great team in a great era for Indian cricket. But that is for the future to determine. But right now it is not great and certainly not next level.
Population argument is plain baloney..More people means more resource consumption for training and selecting your playing 11. Adding we Indians do suffer from nutritional poverty, which is not the case in Australia. One reason we dont do well many other sports.
Navigator V that’s an interesting take it’s kind of similar in structure to the idea of diminishing marginal utility and production in economics. I do think that this kind of resource overload may lead to all kinds of problems like talent scouting issues and also corruption problems where people try to cheat their way through an ultra competitive system.
Population effects on a very popular sport may be diminishing over a certain limit and maybe even negative after a while. Consider the effect population has on the Ranji trophy, where we need to have a team for each state to cater to the high populations of each state. This leads to solution of cricketing competition where there are several teams from states with not so great resources so the competition doesn’t lead to player development as it would with very high quality opposition all the time. Australia on the other hand have 6 or so domestic teams in their domestic competition ensuring that historically their FC competition has consistently top notch.
@ferzy09 we are not talking about cricket everytime, look at our winter Olympics game's record we have never won an winter Olympics medals till now in history because people says that there is no snow in India and we don't have resources for it, then what the hell billion people in India doing can't they think about getting resources for it, look at australia they are far superior in those thing's, even our summer Olympics game's record is poor because we want cricket everytime and our nation can't win a single Olympic gold medal out of a billion population now that is ridiculous
More than analysing the batting talent...I think it's India's bowling and the bowler's fitness levels that has breathed life into Indian cricket. Players like Bhuvi are a handful in swinging conditions but still don't make it into the first team due to the lack of pace! Also the bowlers are rested correctly and given roles. Ishant and Shami are almost given the nod only in tests. Batters are always talented in Indian cricket. There were days when India's top 5 averaged over 45 and top 4 over 50. But bowlers weren't good enough barring Zak. The next generation fast bowlers look even more promising!
You'r bang on but disagree with "Batters are always talented in Indian cricket."...yes in recent past when fab 4 operated quite pedestrian except Kohli n ChePu...batting has declined overall for all nations combined...thanks to money minting TTs...you seldom find proper test players...Kane & Root might vouch for it!!About Bowling you'r absolutely correct...
I am again this video after Indian win in Gabba. This is one of the finest analysis of cricket. I wonder Y Australia did not do this analysis and claimed that it will be 4 nil. I am extremely grateful for such a wonderful analysis. You mention Gill and he has shown his class. Thank you very much.
If countries like South Korea and Japan can qualify for FIFA World Cup, then there is no way that India cannot qualify. We just need to slowly focus on football and provide necessary resources and in few decades we should be able to reach that stage.
Ranji has been there since eternity. But we are such a dominant force only for the last decade or less. Cricket is a highly batsman friendly game now..it never was so during sachin sourav or before during azharuddin era. India was only a moderate team then. Only post Ganguly teams 2003 wc final did people again start considering India as a formidable cricketing force.
@@abhinabasain4801 you have best bowler from india right now they too play at the same pitch with others still they record differents stats from other bowlers If you give this statement to players that will for sure demotivate them in huge way . You cannot comment on players if you habe not certainly played on that level Its like me saying messi do this do that i would habe played better or something like that if you understand me
Its not just ranji trophy but its duleep trophy and irani trophy we have 3 first class competitions 1. Ranji Trophy all states, major cities and services play 2. Duleep Trophy all 5 major zones play from the ranji North east south west central or india blue green red 3.Irani Trophy generally the winner of ranji trophy play India A and also India A tour other countrys We certainly have the best first class system followed by england and south africa
I think it is these 5 factors that have changed Indian cricket: [1] Mental toughness and aggressiveness - Indian team and Indians have over the decade or so have become more aggressive and mentally stronger [2] Better physical fitness and training [3] IPL - getting to know how international players play up close, strategies etc [4] Fast bowlers - India always had class batsmen and spinners but not genuine fast bowlers till about a decade ago. They bring variety, and importantly are vital in fast bouncy pitches like Australia, SA and England. [5] Genuine allrounders
The population argument is just a cop out for an underperforming Aussie team. India has hundreds of millions of people denied opportunity for financial reasons alone. NZ has 4 million people and are ranked number 3. It starts at grassroots and the pathway system from grade cricket to first class cricket to professional cricket. India have a great system in place, NZ are picking guys on form (crazy right?) But Australia went away from what worked for them. Sheffield Shield used to be the pinnacle of domestic cricket. Now the focus seems to be on short form cricket that brings in the money but at the cost of Australian long form success and development. The Cricket world needs a strong Australian side in ALL forms. I hope they get there soon.
so true, regardless of population many players in all cricketing nations face politics and unconcious bias, so though you may be surprised at how good new zealand are, they have a structured first class system and seem to accept talent regardless of race age and socio-economic background unlike most other countries more often than not
Bro before having a foot ball league based on Ranji trophy format u need to find kids from rural areas as well to increase Ur pool of players which is happening with state cricket teams.Each state has got 2 academies.For example my state Andhra has got three cricketing academies and selections happen every year at district level for U-15 and U-16 and U-17,U-19 and U-23 at state level and the players in U-15 and U-16 are provided with a stipend of 4000rs every month along with education needs.This makes the kid focus his attention on the game as there is support from his parents as well. This is happening because BCCI has got huge funds to support state teams and they r well organised ( although internal politics is still prevalent).If the same had to happen with football ppl like us have to support our team wat ever way it is and support our I-League and Isl and kids needed to be encouraged from their early age into football.Then we can see the results.
@@chandrakanthveluri9860 why not from urban area, rural areas is not superior than the urban area, the rural areas will lose 99/100 times by these white superior man, bring people from rural who has the knowledge about these sports, the inner sight hint is very important because the rural people watches these types of sports more and they do have more money
@@kunalnagarkoti4409 I agree with u I was just mentioning ppl in urban areas mostly have financial resources ( of course not everyone )and academies at their disposal where as in rural areas even if they have financial statements resources they don't have academies.I was just highlighting to increase the pool of players so that we can have teams at various levels playing for state teams and the tournments played will be effective and we can produce players for our national football team.
mate, get done with it, move on.. series is won, records are broken, celebrations have come to halt, Move on.. deed is done, price has been paid for what was wrong, don't be a douche about it.
Money is the difference. BCCI did not have money till early 2000s. But since money started pouring in, The young guns started getting proper coaching,Equipment, Grounds,nutrition and salaries. India will keep churning out cricketers like crazy in coming years.
True, and the IPL has brought about a huge need for talent. I wouldn't mind betting there is a talent scout watching every game of cricket in every alleyway in India right now.
India will now never look back from here. We have put out heart & soul in Cricket for over 40 years now ....it's time it pays off on more regular basis.
ICC Test rankings and population 1 India 1339 million 2 South Africa 57 million 3 England 55 million 4 New Zealand 5 million 5 Australia 25 million 6 Sri Lanka 21 million 7 Pakistan 197 million 8 West Indies 39 million 9 Bangladesh 164 million
@@WarrenEdwardesTangoDJ he wanna say... quality is better than quantity or quantity is better than quality..?.. But in both cases you need to be at top & that's what india is doing so nobody can give fuckin excuses& if they do then they shud sink in their own swimming pool 🤣
@@WarrenEdwardesTangoDJ Popualtion is unrelated when it comes to choosing quality. You have to look at the frameworks put in place for cricket. Our local scene is pretty strong, you have to polish the young talent.
There was lot of politics in Indian cricket with respect to selection. But that changes in early 2000 and also we have IPL, ranji trophy, india-A team playing international matches and India-red, blue teams. So basically to get a berth in national team you have to do well in one of the series and then you need luck. India have now enough players to fill 3 international teams .
I agree with the gentlemen here. I think India has punched below it's weight considering the resources at hand for bcci. Sure India is a poor country but bcci is richest body in the cricket world plus we have a huge population advantage. Considering all this we should have been dominating cricket for a long time. Imagine China in place of india they would be far more dominant.
there is no single team in whole world who don't fear indian cricket team . every single players is unique in our national team . we have the best batsman in whole world . best feilders best allrounders . in bowling we have improved so much in last 10 years . batting was always our main point of team but now we have improved in all things that is why no one in world is capable of beating our team easily . while others team have to work with all player performance to win our team need only one man to win the match . we have a player who has scored 200 in not one match but three and that in one day matches .
For everyone who are upset that they bring up India's population count unnecessarily, I think they only meant to say it as an advantage in terms of creating a competitive path for any aspiring talented young cricketer. But I also feel they really should be talking about how complacent Cricket Australia has become now. The population ratio was probably the same when Waugh and Pointing set captaincy records and won trophies for fun. I was also the same when Australia beat India in one of the most one sided cricket world cup final. Instead of admitting own failure, complacency and lack of competence at the highest level, they choose to show and explain people why India was successful. Which, kind of undermines the preparation, effort and tactics by the India touring squad. This was utterly distasteful from Australian media. Lost respect.
My Analysis: 1. Attitude towards game 2. Fitness and strength 3. Power hitting and Quality in game 4. All australian grounds and pitches are huge / lengthy and they are accustomed to it which makes them feel easy to play in non-home grounds. 5. Team work and back up plans All of the above contribute to Australian dominance
70% of India's population lives in rural areas, where cricket is not an especially popular sport. India is also a lot poorer than Australia. Population is a factor, and does make things a bit easier for India, but also harder in some ways. The main issue here seems to be that batting averages in Australia's first class system seem to have dropped dramatically.
Cricket is even more popular in rural areas than it is in urban areas. In the metro cities, there are at least pockets that follow and play football and are exposed to more sports due to better infrastructure like basketball.
Great discussion. They know what is keeping them from succeeding, it's matter of time before Aussies come out challenging the best. It's always about the System, that's what i like the most!!
India can easily have at least two Cricket teams in Odi and Test And T20 India can have 3 to 4 teams, only problem is in Pacers, India is full of batsman's and Spinners
I think the biggest positive for Aussies is the way Patrick performed......and the most impressive things India doing is making the first class players play in other countries outside Asia like ..SENA countries .....that makes them ready for the future.
That was a great discussion. I believe that Australia is suffering from a talent cruch rn. I guess the popularity of cricket might have waned in that country. Football, aussie football, basketball, tennis etc are gaining mote popularity. The worst thing about all this is that the new generation of aussie youngsters won't have real role models to follow and a weak Australian cricket team isn't good for the future of this amazing sport.
in the end the last positive they say reluctantly is Marnus Labuschagne . oh boy ! one year later After playing just 14 matches, currently he ranks number 3 at ICC test batting rankings, averages (63)above Steve smith and is arguably best batsman of aussie squad. Australia gained what it lost in 2018. good world cup,won the ashes, all series at home. Lot of things can happen in just 1 year
Iceland has a population of just about 300,000 and yet they managed to play the FIFA World Cup while countries like India and China couldn’t. Population isn’t a factor I believe, it’s how prepare your players
In 1999 I spent hours with my friends to praise the Australian Infrastructure to produce world class players. Remember the series when Australia played a series with world XI and another tri series with Australia A as the third team and Australia beat both teams comprehensively. If anyone said to me someday Australian will be praising Indian Cricket infrastructure I would have said not even in my dreams. But in 20 years situation is reversed
Resource base has always been bigger but the market has grown(popularity in india) and the methods of extraction(selection) and production(training, exposure, grounds, pitches, facilities etc.) have become more accurate and efficient, that's what has happened.
There is a direct relationship between a county's international position and the prospects of their sporting teams.As a nation India has developed immensely of late. Therefore Indians are no longer overawed when they go to Australia. They see it as just another team and they know that as a nation India can stand up to any one. Pakistan's failing international reputation is reflected in the performance of their cricket team as well.
Some comments in the section suggesting the population advantage does not hold in India's case. I disagree. India does enjoy a pretty large talent pool and cricket's status as the numero uno sport in a country of a billion plus people ensures that today India can field atleast 3 competitive test teams in world cricket. Cricket's hold is such that other traditional sports suffer at its expense. The argument about nutritional deficiency, as someone suggested, between Indians and Audtralians is just silly. In a country of hundreds of millions of young men, there are enough able bodied men with talent to fill in the ranks many times what Australia can put together. And we must not forget Australia is a unique country with probably the most talented and rich supply of athletes. In a country of just 25 million (about the same as metro Delhi region), Australia can boast of a world class soccer, rugby and cricket teams. Not to mention the main sport in Australia is AFL which steals away a lot of athletes away from cricket. Australia consistently outperforms most countries in the world in Olympics in terms of medals won per capita.
It's blessings and curse in disguise, because of population India has less resources for players plus there are so many deserving players which aren't even known because of them having no money or support from political leaders or board selectors or members who are mostly leaders of political parties that's why there are so many deserving players didn't even make it to the Ranji trophy because of corrupiton in system.
Question is why do you think Australia has most talented and rich supply of Athletes in a country of 25 Million people? You dont think its got something to do with Nutrition or the food they eat? Only other explanation is racial superiority argument, which i disapprove.
Population is only making a difference recently because current Indian cricket scene is similar to Australian cricket scene of 1950's. Where you can as a child decide to play cricket for a living and earn enough money without a second job. Only since late 2000s, Indian kids can drop everything and only play cricket and earn decent money.
The population does play a big part, but the main reason behind India's success is due to the domestic structure. It's not like we didn't have population 20-30 years ago, it's just that our system was not so great, but now it's all changed. Also what Greg Chappell said about if India get their act together there's no team that can beat them is also kind of true because the talent pool in India is just not even comparable to other countries. Lol I wouldn't be surprised if in next 20 years or so we'll be seeing something like India vs rest of the world.
Mob_Abominator well this team is nothing compared to what Australia had in it's golden age and that wasn't long time ago....and so what u r proposing for the next 20 years might prove to be the death knell for the sport coz for that to materialize other countries would have to continue on the downward spiral that they are in...Australia, south africa are emasculated....srilanka has become a minnow, newzealand doesn't care much, west Indies doesn't matter and we don't play with pakistan....what's the point of all of it....u don't want to dominate a game that is played by 3 countries.
Coming back to the foolish argument based on population. Indian population was always more in number than Australia. Based on population logic, Australia should have lost all their series to India. :D Australia is loosing due to poor cricketing standards in Australia compared to India. At the same time Indian bowling getting better and better. DRS could be one reason as it nullified all the help Aussies used to get with Umpires who would give out on horrendous appeals. :)
And she quotes them as the "best writers of cricket" maybe one of them is not the other one who makes this stupid assumption about population being the key to our success.
@RonnyDonny13 living in squalor or not doesn't matter , even we have richest people here in India most known mukesh ambani who has been ranked 3rd richest person in the world , despite its major population problems there are rich, middle class and poor category people and I think that wont go in ur block head, getting to the point , being rich or poor is not the problem here , Indians work hard, and every Indians hope for the best so they do their best! And that's why u r jealous ...XD
Bro please stop being an ignorant fuck , more population always is a plus point but the thing over here is that India has more people who watch cricket regularly who follow and who play this game now even this population is quite more than the population of australia , since you have very less amount of people following this game in Australia, this leads less revenue which further leads to less infrastructure and the cycle continues leading to the players that are not that worthiful or that genius , so if you look closely it is indeed the population factor , now you can say why is football not so good in india , it is because less people watch , play it and have it as a career it is only famous in states such as WB and kerala , it is completely overshadowed by cricket so here the infrastructure is not good and player generated are not that talented .
Until Sachin Tendulkar played for India, his records mattered to Team India. After he retired, Team India is about winning every game of cricket. Team Australia has always been players playing for Australia. 🙂
If anyone think Warner and Smith's exclusion dented the chances of winning series, then there's no bigger KAMAL R KHAN than you. Aus has won 2nd test against India without these legends. It's all about the will to win the series matter. Doesn't matter who is in team, if you play with your heart out, you'll win the series
Look at where Labushagne is now. First class averages do not matter. They just don't. Your character and determination do. Anyone can average 50+ on flat batting tracks with medium pacers. When the pace increases and the pitches get greener your patience and ability to fight out difficult periods matter much greatly than just numbers.
It is just a rough time for Australian cricket. Considered historically, I am pretty sure they are one of the best (if not the best) sides to have graced this sport.
Now the system is more of a meritocracy based in pure cricketing ability, whereas in previous generations it was more about how much wealth the father has......
Kindly refrain bringing population into this,too many people does not mean efficiency,it is tough enough to manage all and everyone,yes cricket is played everywhere but the infrastructure Aussies have is much much better than India.
But why is their infrastructure better than ours when bcci is the richest cricket body in the world? Let's face it bcci has been taken over by politicians at all state levels who don't care about cricket at all. They are there for the money and prestige.
1.3 billion people focusing virtually on one sport, Sport only 3 developed nations play certainly not as their primary sport....we need to win each and every match in cricket to make up for our performances in Olympics and fifa....or rather lack of it. If cricket gets as much competition as fifa i don't think we'd even be in top 10.
The point about Ipl skouts is spot on , the talent was always there but how on earth do they get a look in looked at , the physical training has improved by leaps and bounds the nutrition has improved , our pace attack is a telling story , we can replenish our injured players rest out tired players without worry , siraj will get a look in the odi matches he is the fastest bowler in India , people like him would never get a chance earlier , and these skouts would make picks that would illuminate talent in all the countries that participate in the ipl
Indians Are crazy for cricket there is lots of professional Cricketer in India but because of limitations Many of them are not selected because of strong competition and talent Indians are very dedicated towrads cricket they really work hard for this game Thatswhy Indian Has many records In Cricket ...
Its all cycle. Australian team is in the rebuilding phase. Indian domestic setup is there for ages. Main reason for indian performance is Australian team is weak. They are rebuilding. The Same indian team lost to SA and Eng not too long ago. England is too strong and good all round side. India has a lot of weaknesses like openers, long tail and fragile middle order. Good thing is indian fast bowling, Pujara and arrival of Mayank and average Oz team was the reason for the defeat. It happens to all the teams.
15 years ago, I never thought I'd be seeing this analysis from an Australian channel.
Seriously Dude
Even two years ago 😂
One day India will be super power in every field
Unfortunately it wont be bathing!
@@akr884 no never. We assholes will keep fighting against each other and reservations and islam will kill us
At 5:25 so prophetic - "Greg Chappell always said this if India got their act together.... they could have 3 test teams and they'd still beat everybody in the world". 2 years after this discussion an India C team beat Australia in their own backyard.
@@wades9327 they did
@@wades9327 they did.
@@wades9327
Ok not C but surely B team
And their A team lost yet another wc final at their home
@@bibek12332 and won the t20 one
What this logic of population ?
Why European football team so good despite having less population ?
Why new zealand cricket so good ?
Sa, england ?
GamerZpower he’s saying population is an advantage to India in the way that there are just so many people ready to play at the highest level
Take the opening pair for India... Pritvi Shaw gets injured Murali Vijay gets picked, Murali Vijay and KL Rahul underperform? Don’t worry Vihari and Agarwal will come in and replace them. Ashwin gets injured, Kuldeep Yadav, Ravindra Jadeja, Yusvendar Chahal are all ready to step up!
Look at Australia and when finch got dropped they had to move the number three up because they didn’t have anyone performing... Smith and warner gone and their team crumbles.
Look at it this way, i would struggle to imagine even the best test team stand a chance to beat India in India without Kholi and Pujara...
Exactly little Croatia made it to the final whereas England couldn't. It's about the domestic system, population is an afterthought.
@@tenzinhavok3522 exactly.
@@harshshirodkar1574 Iceland beat England. By your logic shouldn't India and China be on top of every sport? As a matter of fact why isn't China champion when it comes to cricket.
India punched below it's weight in cricket because team selection involved a lot of dirty politics in the past. Players in the team were protected despite of poor performances because they knew the right people. Now thanks to IPL there is plethora of talent and the future of Indian cricket is bright.
That is right rocky still far better player waiting for their chance thanks this current Indian team
Kedar jadhav is best example..such a d*ck player
Absolutely correct mate. I second that.
Not "Despite of". It is either "Despite" or "Inspite of".
Yeah but now look after a year and a half AUSTRALIA is BACK they won the ashes and they are no1.. it's mainly because of bbl.. maxwell, stonis etc Phillipe future of Australian cricket looks bright
India is growing man trust me.........i could never imagine watching australia praising india and afraid in early 2000
It was just Sachin vs Australia a lot of the time back then, things have changed for the better now
Ranji trophy >> Sheffield Shield. That's the biggest difference
@Mr.Tweezy007 does not matter there are only 11 players in each team.
Nope...talent is the matter
@Mr.Tweezy007
More population with less resources
@@nitlover8319 u r right they r only ahead of australia in population but not at the other things
@Mr.Tweezy007
Finally someone said it... Someone with common sense
Australian cricket didn't change at all ... They are still good players ... Indian cricketers invented next level
I don+t think so. India are a good team no doubt. But they can't be ranked as a great team, certainly not next level.
@Debanjan Biswas Time certainly does change things. But right now India has one great player, Kohli. He is a joy to watch. But I am afraid this current Indian team can in no way be compared to great teams of the past. The West Indies Teams 78 to about 92 were next level. The Australian team about 95 to 2006 were next level.
@Debanjan Biswas Yes l agree. The comment l was replying to said India has taken it to the next level. I can't see that to be the case. Cricket and cricketer's has always been judged and compared to the past. We can't get away from that. This Indian team and others to come may well prove to be a great team in a great era for Indian cricket. But that is for the future to determine. But right now it is not great and certainly not next level.
We'll have to disagree. If they can dominate series after series over the next few years, that will be a different matter. But not right now.
@Ashish Bagade You suffer from premature speculation. 3 or 4 years at the top, then get back to me.
Every word of these gentlemen have come true today in 2021.. hats off to your analysis sir..
Amazing to hear the praising words for our Indian Cricketers.
Population argument is plain baloney..More people means more resource consumption for training and selecting your playing 11. Adding we Indians do suffer from nutritional poverty, which is not the case in Australia. One reason we dont do well many other sports.
Navigator V that’s an interesting take it’s kind of similar in structure to the idea of diminishing marginal utility and production in economics. I do think that this kind of resource overload may lead to all kinds of problems like talent scouting issues and also corruption problems where people try to cheat their way through an ultra competitive system.
Population effects on a very popular sport may be diminishing over a certain limit and maybe even negative after a while. Consider the effect population has on the Ranji trophy, where we need to have a team for each state to cater to the high populations of each state. This leads to solution of cricketing competition where there are several teams from states with not so great resources so the competition doesn’t lead to player development as it would with very high quality opposition all the time. Australia on the other hand have 6 or so domestic teams in their domestic competition ensuring that historically their FC competition has consistently top notch.
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men will be men ♥️😂
@ferzy09 Yes TN can beat Sri Lanka and Bengal can beat Bangladesh
@ferzy09 we are not talking about cricket everytime, look at our winter Olympics game's record we have never won an winter Olympics medals till now in history because people says that there is no snow in India and we don't have resources for it, then what the hell billion people in India doing can't they think about getting resources for it, look at australia they are far superior in those thing's, even our summer Olympics game's record is poor because we want cricket everytime and our nation can't win a single Olympic gold medal out of a billion population now that is ridiculous
More than analysing the batting talent...I think it's India's bowling and the bowler's fitness levels that has breathed life into Indian cricket. Players like Bhuvi are a handful in swinging conditions but still don't make it into the first team due to the lack of pace! Also the bowlers are rested correctly and given roles. Ishant and Shami are almost given the nod only in tests. Batters are always talented in Indian cricket. There were days when India's top 5 averaged over 45 and top 4 over 50. But bowlers weren't good enough barring Zak. The next generation fast bowlers look even more promising!
You'r bang on but disagree with "Batters are always talented in Indian cricket."...yes in recent past when fab 4 operated quite pedestrian except Kohli n ChePu...batting has declined overall for all nations combined...thanks to money minting TTs...you seldom find proper test players...Kane & Root might vouch for it!!About Bowling you'r absolutely correct...
Gill, Mayank, shaw hv been groomed bcz of Rahul dravid who is coach of under 19 and India a
Dravid is the unsung hero of Indian cricket...He should get the Khel Ratna...
It's not about one guy. The system is made of lots of people who are working behind the scenes.
Dravid Sir must get Dronacharya Award.
Binod
Binod tharu the legend is here
I am again this video after Indian win in Gabba. This is one of the finest analysis of cricket. I wonder Y Australia did not do this analysis and claimed that it will be 4 nil. I am extremely grateful for such a wonderful analysis. You mention Gill and he has shown his class. Thank you very much.
Difference between India and Australia = Beard
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Are Bhai Bhai Bhai...😂😂😂😂
Might be some truth there ! A lot of Indian magicians have beards.
You mean men vs boys 🤣🤣🤣🤣
We will be happy with our big population if we qualify for the FIFA World Cup. Please😫🙏🙏💓
that's pretty accurate....
Diya Roychowdhury wait mam india is great country nothing impossible mera bharat Mahan jai hind
Jiboneo hobena diya ..chepe jao
If countries like South Korea and Japan can qualify for FIFA World Cup, then there is no way that India cannot qualify. We just need to slowly focus on football and provide necessary resources and in few decades we should be able to reach that stage.
I don't follow football, its boring and annoying af.
That's why it hasn't clicked in India
India have 1.25blion people ICC should allow india to bring two teams in the world cup 👍
If india have two teams in the world than world cup will be in india for ever 🤜🤛
Not true Australia are the better team overall. 5x world champions and they dominate India head to head. Big difference.
I feel mumbai can have their own team ... They can beat max test nations
vishkiller23 lol nope. Australia is far better mate.
@@radicalhindu not right now.... Yeah mumbai can get lil better bowlers for sure.... I said most...not all
RANJI TROPHY is the main reason behind the success of indian cricket
No
Absolutely
Ranji has been there since eternity. But we are such a dominant force only for the last decade or less. Cricket is a highly batsman friendly game now..it never was so during sachin sourav or before during azharuddin era. India was only a moderate team then. Only post Ganguly teams 2003 wc final did people again start considering India as a formidable cricketing force.
@@abhinabasain4801 you have best bowler from india right now they too play at the same pitch with others still they record differents stats from other bowlers
If you give this statement to players that will for sure demotivate them in huge way .
You cannot comment on players if you habe not certainly played on that level
Its like me saying messi do this do that i would habe played better or something like that if you understand me
Its not just ranji trophy but its duleep trophy and irani trophy we have 3 first class competitions
1. Ranji Trophy all states, major cities and services play
2. Duleep Trophy all 5 major zones play from the ranji North east south west central or india blue green red
3.Irani Trophy generally the winner of ranji trophy play India A and also India A tour other countrys
We certainly have the best first class system followed by england and south africa
Being in India... in fact i learned a lot from these gentlemen ... about indian cricket
I think india have a better bench strength if any fails there's another better one.
I think it is these 5 factors that have changed Indian cricket:
[1] Mental toughness and aggressiveness - Indian team and Indians have over the decade or so have become more aggressive and mentally stronger
[2] Better physical fitness and training
[3] IPL - getting to know how international players play up close, strategies etc
[4] Fast bowlers - India always had class batsmen and spinners but not genuine fast bowlers till about a decade ago. They bring variety, and importantly are vital in fast bouncy pitches like Australia, SA and England.
[5] Genuine allrounders
The population argument is just a cop out for an underperforming Aussie team. India has hundreds of millions of people denied opportunity for financial reasons alone. NZ has 4 million people and are ranked number 3. It starts at grassroots and the pathway system from grade cricket to first class cricket to professional cricket. India have a great system in place, NZ are picking guys on form (crazy right?) But Australia went away from what worked for them. Sheffield Shield used to be the pinnacle of domestic cricket. Now the focus seems to be on short form cricket that brings in the money but at the cost of Australian long form success and development. The Cricket world needs a strong Australian side in ALL forms. I hope they get there soon.
so true, regardless of population many players in all cricketing nations face politics and unconcious bias, so though you may be surprised at how good new zealand are, they have a structured first class system and seem to accept talent regardless of race age and socio-economic background unlike most other countries more often than not
defeated kiwis in t20 wc now
Their no.8 has not one but 3 triple centuries😲😲
Am I the only one who gets irked everytime he says, "Pant?" 😤
hahaha me to
We need a football league based on ranji trophy
Bro before having a foot ball league based on Ranji trophy format u need to find kids from rural areas as well to increase Ur pool of players which is happening with state cricket teams.Each state has got 2 academies.For example my state Andhra has got three cricketing academies and selections happen every year at district level for U-15 and U-16 and U-17,U-19 and U-23 at state level and the players in U-15 and U-16 are provided with a stipend of 4000rs every month along with education needs.This makes the kid focus his attention on the game as there is support from his parents as well. This is happening because BCCI has got huge funds to support state teams and they r well organised ( although internal politics is still prevalent).If the same had to happen with football ppl like us have to support our team wat ever way it is and support our I-League and Isl and kids needed to be encouraged from their early age into football.Then we can see the results.
Why ???
I just want India, to win all cricket matches
@@chandrakanthveluri9860 why not from urban area, rural areas is not superior than the urban area, the rural areas will lose 99/100 times by these white superior man, bring people from rural who has the knowledge about these sports, the inner sight hint is very important because the rural people watches these types of sports more and they do have more money
@@kunalnagarkoti4409 I agree with u
I was just mentioning ppl in urban areas mostly have financial resources ( of course not everyone )and academies at their disposal where as in rural areas even if they have financial statements resources they don't have academies.I was just highlighting to increase the pool of players so that we can have teams at various levels playing for state teams and the tournments played will be effective and we can produce players for our national football team.
If India gets its act together then it ll be unbeatable not only in cricket but in many more aspects.
Indians don't use sandpaper 😉
Stop it
That would be too obvious and simple. Indians use bookmakers 🤤
mate, get done with it, move on.. series is won, records are broken, celebrations have come to halt, Move on.. deed is done, price has been paid for what was wrong, don't be a douche about it.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cricketers_banned_for_corruption
Oh haha aren't u a fkn comedian🙌
I wish the world will talk about indian football like this one day...
Money is the difference. BCCI did not have money till early 2000s. But since money started pouring in, The young guns started getting proper coaching,Equipment, Grounds,nutrition and salaries. India will keep churning out cricketers like crazy in coming years.
True, and the IPL has brought about a huge need for talent. I wouldn't mind betting there is a talent scout watching every game of cricket in every alleyway in India right now.
That is the sad reality facing cricket globally.
Another reason is Australians are moving towards Football as far as I know. I've seen huge crowds in their league games.
Glad to hear that from the Aussie. Hard luck. Love from India.
Good to see Mel back in action in cricket.
India will now never look back from here. We have put out heart & soul in Cricket for over 40 years now ....it's time it pays off on more regular basis.
ICC Test rankings and population
1 India 1339 million
2 South Africa 57 million
3 England 55 million
4 New Zealand 5 million
5 Australia 25 million
6 Sri Lanka 21 million
7 Pakistan 197 million
8 West Indies 39 million
9 Bangladesh 164 million
@Ashish Bagade I gave the data. Draw your own conclusions
@@WarrenEdwardesTangoDJ he wanna say... quality is better than quantity or quantity is better than quality..?..
But in both cases you need to be at top & that's what india is doing so nobody can give fuckin excuses& if they do then they shud sink in their own swimming pool 🤣
@@WarrenEdwardesTangoDJ Popualtion is unrelated when it comes to choosing quality. You have to look at the frameworks put in place for cricket. Our local scene is pretty strong, you have to polish the young talent.
Ron S He is counting the whole Caribbean the Islands that actually produce cricket players is less.
NZ is GOAT
Watching this after gabba ....spot on with the general observations...
"If India got their act together, no one can beat them again!"
Upanshu Srivastava that’s the reason British ran away even after decades of rule
arwin2004 thenewsensei in real world knows who are bastards sucking blood of others for greed ...
@Cameron Rose yeah this time got together for 36 May be next time it would be a 360 runs win who knows
Wow Gill getting mentioned at the beginning of 2019. Hope he makes it big.
Where is kary O'Keeffe now? Is he serving food in railway canteen?
Wow great Analysis. Not about praising but how well they went in details and compared makes this discussion worth the watch!
One of the best analysis I've heard in a long long time. Simply outstanding in defining the nuances.
D guy showing stats of first class cricket did a great job... Really opened up d conversation
Now in 2021, nothing changed
There was lot of politics in Indian cricket with respect to selection. But that changes in early 2000 and also we have IPL, ranji trophy, india-A team playing international matches and India-red, blue teams. So basically to get a berth in national team you have to do well in one of the series and then you need luck. India have now enough players to fill 3 international teams .
I agree with the gentlemen here. I think India has punched below it's weight considering the resources at hand for bcci. Sure India is a poor country but bcci is richest body in the cricket world plus we have a huge population advantage. Considering all this we should have been dominating cricket for a long time. Imagine China in place of india they would be far more dominant.
there is no single team in whole world who don't fear indian cricket team . every single players is unique in our national team . we have the best batsman in whole world . best feilders best allrounders . in bowling we have improved so much in last 10 years . batting was always our main point of team but now we have improved in all things that is why no one in world is capable of beating our team easily . while others team have to work with all player performance to win our team need only one man to win the match . we have a player who has scored 200 in not one match but three and that in one day matches .
The difference is the Australia board xl of the practice game was much better than this side !!
That's why I'm very proud of be Indian
For everyone who are upset that they bring up India's population count unnecessarily, I think they only meant to say it as an advantage in terms of creating a competitive path for any aspiring talented young cricketer.
But I also feel they really should be talking about how complacent Cricket Australia has become now.
The population ratio was probably the same when Waugh and Pointing set captaincy records and won trophies for fun. I was also the same when Australia beat India in one of the most one sided cricket world cup final.
Instead of admitting own failure, complacency and lack of competence at the highest level, they choose to show and explain people why India was successful. Which, kind of undermines the preparation, effort and tactics by the India touring squad.
This was utterly distasteful from Australian media. Lost respect.
My Analysis:
1. Attitude towards game
2. Fitness and strength
3. Power hitting and Quality in game
4. All australian grounds and pitches are huge / lengthy and they are accustomed to it which makes them feel easy to play in non-home grounds.
5. Team work and back up plans
All of the above contribute to Australian dominance
Would love to have Chris Gayle in this discussion 🤣🤣🤣
Dafuq😂😂😂😂😂😂
don't make me blush baby
This is so good to watch and hear
ravindra jadeja 3 triple century👍
All in Rajkot. Rajkot is a bowler's nightmare.
Dont forget he save us in the one day worldcup 2019 in england against newzealand the act of bravery
5:26 it just took two years for that statement come true. border-gavaskar trophy 2020/21..!!
2:33
Men will be men 😂😂😂♥️♥️♥️
Can we start doing that???
What?Having more people.....
Lol...nice spot though..
@@aakashsaini2184 you are dumb if you dont understand that
Well spotted bro 😂😂😂
Bro what happened
😂😂😂😂 very funny man..
Thanks for the great commentary and analysis. Cheers!
Q: Difference between Australian and Indian Cricket?
A: CHEWING GUM
Lol
Picking talent in India out of trillions is success
70% of India's population lives in rural areas, where cricket is not an especially popular sport. India is also a lot poorer than Australia. Population is a factor, and does make things a bit easier for India, but also harder in some ways. The main issue here seems to be that batting averages in Australia's first class system seem to have dropped dramatically.
Cricket is even more popular in rural areas than it is in urban areas. In the metro cities, there are at least pockets that follow and play football and are exposed to more sports due to better infrastructure like basketball.
Great discussion. They know what is keeping them from succeeding, it's matter of time before Aussies come out challenging the best. It's always about the System, that's what i like the most!!
Population is just an excuse. Talent and skill. Look at NZ, Europe
What a great show. Calling a spade a spade, doesnt happen that often. Its time for sould searching and building cricket bottom up.
Mayank agrawal play for Karnataka not Gujarat
India can easily have at least two Cricket teams in Odi and Test
And T20 India can have 3 to 4 teams, only problem is in Pacers, India is full of batsman's and Spinners
I think the biggest positive for Aussies is the way Patrick performed......and the most impressive things India doing is making the first class players play in other countries outside Asia like ..SENA countries .....that makes them ready for the future.
That was a great discussion. I believe that Australia is suffering from a talent cruch rn. I guess the popularity of cricket might have waned in that country. Football, aussie football, basketball, tennis etc are gaining mote popularity. The worst thing about all this is that the new generation of aussie youngsters won't have real role models to follow and a weak Australian cricket team isn't good for the future of this amazing sport.
wdp4wdm3a this is not even half amazing when juxtaposed with football, hockey and olympics grade sports.
in the end the last positive they say reluctantly is Marnus Labuschagne . oh boy ! one year later After playing just 14 matches, currently he ranks number 3 at ICC test batting rankings, averages (63)above Steve smith and is arguably best batsman of aussie squad. Australia gained what it lost in 2018. good world cup,won the ashes, all series at home. Lot of things can happen in just 1 year
I have hydrogen bomb.
Ok 😭
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Iceland has a population of just about 300,000 and yet they managed to play the FIFA World Cup while countries like India and China couldn’t. Population isn’t a factor I believe, it’s how prepare your players
And then Australia found Marnus Labuschagne scoring centures
Tell him to score a century in India with spinning pitch..
In home kinda conditions anybody can score..
@@Subhodipp I guess he has scored already here
@@vishwajeetnandyaduraj4804 no i guess..
If i had a time i will watch this video again and again for lifelong
The reason Australia isn't doing well is the lack of interest in First class red ball cricket.
In 1999 I spent hours with my friends to praise the Australian Infrastructure to produce world class players. Remember the series when Australia played a series with world XI and another tri series with Australia A as the third team and Australia beat both teams comprehensively. If anyone said to me someday Australian will be praising Indian Cricket infrastructure I would have said not even in my dreams. But in 20 years situation is reversed
Wait aussies shubhman iyer n nair will also come to beat aussie someday 6:19.... BTW good review
This aged well. SHUBHMAN 🔥
Resource base has always been bigger but the market has grown(popularity in india) and the methods of extraction(selection) and production(training, exposure, grounds, pitches, facilities etc.) have become more accurate and efficient, that's what has happened.
What about now
Inexperienced India beat full strength of Australia
There is a direct relationship between a county's international position and the prospects of their sporting teams.As a nation India has developed immensely of late. Therefore Indians are no longer overawed when they go to Australia. They see it as just another team and they know that as a nation India can stand up to any one. Pakistan's failing international reputation is reflected in the performance of their cricket team as well.
Some comments in the section suggesting the population advantage does not hold in India's case. I disagree. India does enjoy a pretty large talent pool and cricket's status as the numero uno sport in a country of a billion plus people ensures that today India can field atleast 3 competitive test teams in world cricket. Cricket's hold is such that other traditional sports suffer at its expense. The argument about nutritional deficiency, as someone suggested, between Indians and Audtralians is just silly. In a country of hundreds of millions of young men, there are enough able bodied men with talent to fill in the ranks many times what Australia can put together. And we must not forget Australia is a unique country with probably the most talented and rich supply of athletes. In a country of just 25 million (about the same as metro Delhi region), Australia can boast of a world class soccer, rugby and cricket teams. Not to mention the main sport in Australia is AFL which steals away a lot of athletes away from cricket. Australia consistently outperforms most countries in the world in Olympics in terms of medals won per capita.
It's blessings and curse in disguise, because of population India has less resources for players plus there are so many deserving players which aren't even known because of them having no money or support from political leaders or board selectors or members who are mostly leaders of political parties that's why there are so many deserving players didn't even make it to the Ranji trophy because of corrupiton in system.
Question is why do you think Australia has most talented and rich supply of Athletes in a country of 25 Million people? You dont think its got something to do with Nutrition or the food they eat? Only other explanation is racial superiority argument, which i disapprove.
Population is only making a difference recently because current Indian cricket scene is similar to Australian cricket scene of 1950's. Where you can as a child decide to play cricket for a living and earn enough money without a second job. Only since late 2000s, Indian kids can drop everything and only play cricket and earn decent money.
@@navigatorv4452 white people is the superior race on earth in human history and I'm Indian and u can't argue with that more
Nobody cares about Australia go and sell newzealand and kangaroos on eBay
India can never be a long term dominating Success , they are just a Good team.
When perform they have talent.... When Indians perform they have population
#WTF bad analysis
This is the best possible analysis given of Australia's fall!!
Heavily starving for medals in Olympics despite being heavily populated.
The population does play a big part, but the main reason behind India's success is due to the domestic structure. It's not like we didn't have population 20-30 years ago, it's just that our system was not so great, but now it's all changed. Also what Greg Chappell said about if India get their act together there's no team that can beat them is also kind of true because the talent pool in India is just not even comparable to other countries. Lol I wouldn't be surprised if in next 20 years or so we'll be seeing something like India vs rest of the world.
Mob_Abominator well this team is nothing compared to what Australia had in it's golden age and that wasn't long time ago....and so what u r proposing for the next 20 years might prove to be the death knell for the sport coz for that to materialize other countries would have to continue on the downward spiral that they are in...Australia, south africa are emasculated....srilanka has become a minnow, newzealand doesn't care much, west Indies doesn't matter and we don't play with pakistan....what's the point of all of it....u don't want to dominate a game that is played by 3 countries.
Is this the lady Gayle wanted to take for dinner?
Yes....
Yes
Here come the pervert. Indians have bad image abroad because of people like you.
No she's Lisa sthalekar australian cricketer
She let herself loose.... he wont take her out anymore
Dear Aussies, Boxing day test is like any other test for us. It's not a big deal, really !
Coming back to the foolish argument based on population. Indian population was always more in number than Australia. Based on population logic, Australia should have lost all their series to India. :D
Australia is loosing due to poor cricketing standards in Australia compared to India. At the same time Indian bowling getting better and better.
DRS could be one reason as it nullified all the help Aussies used to get with Umpires who would give out on horrendous appeals. :)
You are right, you are foolish. If you don't understand the massive population and number of 1st class cricketers advantage there is no help.
@@glencarter7694 hahaha so incompetent u Australians are!! Always so jealous of Indians...lol
And she quotes them as the "best writers of cricket" maybe one of them is not the other one who makes this stupid assumption about population being the key to our success.
@RonnyDonny13 living in squalor or not doesn't matter , even we have richest people here in India most known mukesh ambani who has been ranked 3rd richest person in the world , despite its major population problems there are rich, middle class and poor category people and I think that wont go in ur block head, getting to the point , being rich or poor is not the problem here , Indians work hard, and every Indians hope for the best so they do their best! And that's why u r jealous ...XD
Bro please stop being an ignorant fuck , more population always is a plus point but the thing over here is that India has more people who watch cricket regularly who follow and who play this game now even this population is quite more than the population of australia , since you have very less amount of people following this game in Australia, this leads less revenue which further leads to less infrastructure and the cycle continues leading to the players that are not that worthiful or that genius , so if you look closely it is indeed the population factor , now you can say why is football not so good in india , it is because less people watch , play it and have it as a career it is only famous in states such as WB and kerala , it is completely overshadowed by cricket so here the infrastructure is not good and player generated are not that talented .
Until Sachin Tendulkar played for India, his records mattered to Team India. After he retired, Team India is about winning every game of cricket. Team Australia has always been players playing for Australia. 🙂
If anyone think Warner and Smith's exclusion dented the chances of winning series, then there's no bigger KAMAL R KHAN than you. Aus has won 2nd test against India without these legends. It's all about the will to win the series matter. Doesn't matter who is in team, if you play with your heart out, you'll win the series
Look at where Labushagne is now. First class averages do not matter. They just don't. Your character and determination do. Anyone can average 50+ on flat batting tracks with medium pacers. When the pace increases and the pitches get greener your patience and ability to fight out difficult periods matter much greatly than just numbers.
*Don't blush, baby*
The moment I read your comment chris gayle with a wide smile popped up inside my head
finally an Australian news outlet with the comments section turned on 👏
Use auto generated subtitiles at 3:00 n read what it says to ranji trophy
😂🤣
3:40 Randy
Randi trophy 😂😂
It is just a rough time for Australian cricket. Considered historically, I am pretty sure they are one of the best (if not the best) sides to have graced this sport.
Don't forget ipl
Now the system is more of a meritocracy based in pure cricketing ability, whereas in previous generations it was more about how much wealth the father has......
Kindly refrain bringing population into this,too many people does not mean efficiency,it is tough enough to manage all and everyone,yes cricket is played everywhere but the infrastructure Aussies have is much much better than India.
But why is their infrastructure better than ours when bcci is the richest cricket body in the world? Let's face it bcci has been taken over by politicians at all state levels who don't care about cricket at all. They are there for the money and prestige.
1.3 billion people focusing virtually on one sport, Sport only 3 developed nations play certainly not as their primary sport....we need to win each and every match in cricket to make up for our performances in Olympics and fifa....or rather lack of it. If cricket gets as much competition as fifa i don't think we'd even be in top 10.
Kavan kachoria There is also more sports than just the Olympics and football and cricket.
You guys were so right about gabba
Jeez Mel has really grown. What a hottie!
The point about Ipl skouts is spot on , the talent was always there but how on earth do they get a look in looked at , the physical training has improved by leaps and bounds the nutrition has improved , our pace attack is a telling story , we can replenish our injured players rest out tired players without worry , siraj will get a look in the odi matches he is the fastest bowler in India , people like him would never get a chance earlier , and these skouts would make picks that would illuminate talent in all the countries that participate in the ipl
I am typing with one hand after seeing #BlushBaby
Indians Are crazy for cricket there is lots of professional Cricketer in India but because of limitations Many of them are not selected because of strong competition and talent
Indians are very dedicated towrads cricket they really work hard for this game
Thatswhy Indian Has many records In Cricket ...
Its all cycle. Australian team is in the rebuilding phase. Indian domestic setup is there for ages. Main reason for indian performance is Australian team is weak. They are rebuilding. The Same indian team lost to SA and Eng not too long ago. England is too strong and good all round side. India has a lot of weaknesses like openers, long tail and fragile middle order. Good thing is indian fast bowling, Pujara and arrival of Mayank and average Oz team was the reason for the defeat. It happens to all the teams.
@Ashish Bagade exactly winning in home conditions don't matter.Let England win a series in india and then we can talk...
Rohan K didn't they win 2012 and 14?
Anything done in good manner is a candy for eye. This is what I have say for this video.