Missing 411 | The M Cave and the Disappearance of Kenny Veach
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- Опубликовано: 8 дек 2022
- In 2014, RUclips user "snakebitmcgee" made a rather preposterous claim - he had seen a mysterious M shaped cave in the desert outside Nellis Air Force Base, and it had strange properties which caused his body to vibrate. Accused of lying, Kenny Veach ventured into the wilderness in search of his cave, only to disappear without any trace. This is his story. Welcome back to The Lore Lodge...
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Put a bright colored reflective cloth/banner outside the mine or cave your in, tell people when, where and who you are going with. Come prepared for rattle snakes and animals hidden in the nooks of the cave/mine. Have sensors for bad air, and have back up for lights, food and water. GPS, cell phone, and protection like a fire arm and knife. Don't be stupid, use brains for all your plans. Think about your experience level before doing risky stuff. Be safe out there, and come back alive
Problem with hanging a reflective banner or flag is grounding it to the rock formations. Another problem is if someone was to go looking for you, that flag being easily missed in a vast terrain.
GPS coordinates are much more accurate.
Why he didn't bring a firearm and camera on EVERY hike, is a mystery to me. Another item you mentioned is an O2 sensor or confined space monitor. Confined spaces can have deadly gases and could render you unconscious or death due to asphyxiation.
I also don't understand why he didn't bring abseiling gear, I don't know. Why he has a six pack of beer in Death Valley instead a case of water, I don't know.
@@delanorrosey4730being so ill prepared certainly sounds suicidal to me.
"don't be stupid" okay then don't go in random caves and abandoned mines 😂
Mines are fun, caves are spooky to me
I believe he’s referring to the law of allowing, related to the law of attraction.
I will say that when it comes to major depression, there is a level of doublethink involved. A person can be totally invested in a subject, and show genuine interest in it, and then turn around and consider suicide or self-harm. It comes in waves, and you can be on a bit of a peak, able to function, and actively engage in something you enjoy, and then hit a dip and suddenly that previous enthusiasm seems stupid even to yourself. I believe he took his own life. It makes perfect sense to me, as someone who struggles with major depression, too. I want to be an author, and I show an extreme enthusiasm for writing. But when I am at a low, none of that matters.
Yeah MDD is a real bitch. When the waves hit, they scour everything away before receding. Things you love and care about may no longer hold meaning to you when you make it out the other side. Stay strong out there Claire 💪
I know that feel all too well. So i much i wanna do, but its so hard to give a shit when it comes downnto it
Im kinda in the same place : ( i know i probably can never harm myself because of my faith but when depression comes nothing matter or nothing seems to worth living for. But when im out or im whit people im not close whit im extrely enthusianistic and cherfull. But no writing and interestests matter when depression is hit you
Nah they killed him the men in black killed him after he exposed there secret cave that leads to the ufo
I 100% agree. Also, it’s not an “easy” activity to search a wide expanse of desert for a body. A lot of symptoms of depression and suicidal ideology, don’t come with logic. Usually people suffering with this do not think with logic and critical thinking- rather with emotion. Finding a body in the desert isn’t easy, so it’s not that suspicious that people didn’t find him.
Also.. a lot of times the most logical solution IS the solution. Obviously we can’t prove it, but he was suffering from suicidal thoughts and went to do something he loved, maybe as a last moment. We may never know, but speculating that it’s aliens or the government that killed him honestly seems a bit disrespectful to me. That’s just my opinion however. I hope he rests in peace.
Edit: this is coming from someone who also suffers from depression, this is just my take on what may have happened to him.
I have to say, as someone who is an avid hiker myself kenny did pretty much everything you’re not supposed to do if you want to get lost and/or stuck. Hiking alone for long periods is risky for several reasons and one of those being your sanity and ability to make safe decisions.
He was a hiker for 20 years,he is expert and know his limits,I don't think he committed suicide even with his depression.
I am amazed, since there are hikers right now in the CDT trail doing it alone.
@someone.36
Then, you're vastly underestimating the effects depression can have on the mind.
*edit:*
Eh.
Fuck it. IT'S TEXT WALL TIME.
For the record, here's some info that gives credibility to the theory he sadly took his own life: (most of these were already mentioned, but I'm repeating them solely for emphasis together)
*1.* He was in terrible financial debt that he was NEVER going to recover from due to putting ALL of his retirement into his own business that failed.
*2.* He confessed that he'd only begun to really struggle with depression and thoughts of unaliving himself after his father took his own when he was twenty-one.
*3.* He made the remarks about how "if I died out there, no one would ever find me" to his ex-girlfriend shortly before he
vanished.
*4.* He left a text document on his PC in plain sight where he'd repeatedly typed in the words "help me" over fifty times.
*5.* The night before he disappeared, he'd gone to see a movie with his ex-girlfriend, who he was still extremely close with, and she's said in interviews that he seemed worse off than usual and that she'd felt like something was wrong.
*6.* The movie they saw depicted one of the characters unaliving themselves. Really want to emphasize that those scenes aren’t helpful to someone already struggling in a negative headspace.
With the exception of point six― since all people are affected differently by things, the rest are *all facts.*
Now, with THAT said, OP could also absolutely be right. His "experience" means nothing. Everyone who knew him has admitted that he was always ill-prepared and wreckless. He, for example, bragged about how far he could push himself without stopping to take more than a sip of water. In the Mojave desert.
He also admitted to doing stupid things, like harassing and picking up venemous snakes with his bare hands and that he'd been hospitalized from being bit before because of that.
And those are just two examples. Might add more onto it later.
tl;dr
There's much more credibility to the theories that he either: A, had an accident due to his own negligence and overconfidence, or B, unalived himself― than there are any of the others.
@@itisamystery.5090 I have suffered from depression multiple times and often with a topping of anxiety.
How many percent of depressed people attempt suicide?! Yeah, it´s a very low number.
@@Psi-Ink
I also have a medical diagnosis. The point in bringing it up here is, what, exactly? That's irrelevant here. Personal experience is practically a strawman.
Honestly? Godspeed to this man. You don’t do that kind of thing for years on end without being well aware that it might kill you. Sounds like, intentionally or otherwise, he died doing what he loved
Honestly, I’m suprised he didn’t always carry his pistol as an easy way out if he got trapped somewhere.
I love his list of animals he found instead of the cave lmao
He was a pure guy
Potentially life saving tip... If you're ever doing anything sketchy but you do not want to cause anyone concern (like your loved ones or friends) just text yourself what you are doing. If anything happens to you (you go missing etc.) then when the cops get a warrant to check your phone records big bang boom. Bobs your uncle
this is so smart thank you
He did basically. I watched a good portion of his video when he “lost cave”. He showed the whole area he was walking or going to walk. He described the M cave to be close to the ground instead of having height and he made it seem like it was hidden almost. He even showed the spot he found of the pine cones, so there’s a spot full of pine cone trees. And also we have to include bottles of his he threw down. I think the search was quite lazy to me. 3 days searching and they stopped looking for him. I’m pissed. 😭 n I shouldn’t be. Knowing he was stuck in that hot cave with no water, sweating & worst part is he has bad knees. His video was so detailed idc if it took me 3 years I am scooping the whole area. It’s not like searching through different states or searching Niagara Falls it’s one piece of land with a distinct M shape likely small entrance that’s very close to the ground. He even described the mountains he had to cross N how the ground turns flat after a while. Like wth, I just can’t help but to picture him out there starving being stuck in a dark cave. I remember one hiker was lost for years survived almost 1 mth in before dying from natural causes and she was like a hour away from a public trail a whole tent, cell phone, corpse ect so I can imagine what he went through.
The issue is that SMS are only kept (and tried to deliver) for up to 48 hours
Geraldine. Her family knew she got directionally confused but still let her hike at 68yrs old and just tried to support her but her trail buddy left her n it didn't take long for her to get lost. It did seem senseless.
@@OrginalFrequency Get over it bruh, he didn't "disappear" or get lost/stuck in some cave, he went on his last expedition to die.
He had no job, his dreams of being a home decorator or famous Shark Tank inventor were fruitless and he was running out of money quickly.
His gf even mentioned him dreading the idea of getting another regular job in society.
The cell phone being found at the mineshaft indicates his fate - he left it behind to hopefully/maybe be found. Like one last hint to Kenny's final resting place, down in the mine shaft.
Why else leave the cell phone at the shaft entrance? He could have easily left his phone in his truck, or left it at home with his camera.
And I think you and many others are mixing things up. Kenny's last video has nothing to do with his disappearance, it was recorded & uploaded months prior. That's not when he left his cellphone, that's not when he disappeared.
I mean... Kenny literally had a "would you ever suicide?" conversation with his gf shortly before his disappearance, obviously she was getting a "he might kill himself" vibe to even ask that and whaddya know? A short while later, Kenny goes on a hike without bothering to take his camera and disappears for good.
He's dead and I'd bet money that his remains are somewhere in that old mine, just below where Kenny's cell phone was found.
Re Robin Williams: my husband saw him when he was doing a tour with the USO. He said he was amazing and his humor in person/his stand up was much darker than the children's movies we remember him for, but absolutely amazing and hysterical.
Rest in peace, king
If you hear someone calling your name from a cave, no you didn’t.
I like don’t even have the words to describe how uncomfortable I would be if that happened
I would run away screaming and never look back.
In a random ass desert range you don't stay there you literally run for ur life
Or dark city alleys, either. Or dimly lit hootchi kootchie bars. Survival often depends on how long it takes to know it's time to haul ass!
If there's something in a cave that knows my name I am 100% going in to check it out. So, just in case I suddenly disappear, it was the cave voices.
Very useful PSA about solo caving. Mineshafts too. In fact, being underground at all is inadvisable.
Hades reading this comment: oilo!
Hop, whats the best buttplug for nv use?
Everyone reading this comment on their phone in a subway: Hmmm...
But I'm underground right now. 🥺
Caving, hiking etc. Let people know where youre going generally
You cannot really say someone "doesn't sound like" they want to commit suicide based on how they talk, especially online. Suicide hit me very, very close and I guarantee no one saw it coming either
I feel like the people saying this do not have a realistic understanding of mental illness. Someone can have depression and not ever seem "sad" to others. They're being ignorant.
Sorry for your loss - I am wishing you every joy in your future.
Aiden's talked about this before, he's very aware suicide desires can me masked.
I guess a better way to word it may have been "He doesnt outwardly say or even hint to self-deletion in his videos or writings" which doesnt negate that its still a possibility. Part of me thinks people who do risky behavior like solo cave diving that maybe they are secretly "OK" with the fact they may never come back. Especially if nobody is told exactly where you are or when youll be back.
I personally think he means this more like bringing into question the validity of a random comment. We have no way of knowing that she dated him, is who she says she is, or that she’s being truthful. I don’t think it’s about suicidal feelings being obvious as much as it is “there’s no way to corroborate what she’s saying because he never expressed this to others”
Everyone makes those assumptions, like it or not. Expecially when solving a crime. Detectives need to ask those questions and I'm sure his friends said he didn't seem like a person that wants to commit suicide.
I first heard about Kenny about a year ago through a series of videos from a creator I sometimes watch "Aquachigger". Usually he posts metal detecting, magnet fishing, and occasionally cave/abandoned area explorations. He's made several videos detailing his hikes to see if he could find any sign of Kenny or the "M" cave. He's gone up to the mineshaft and all over the surrounding canyons and is quite good at spotting man-made distrubances in the terrain which was interesting. Definitely sparked an interest to learn more about Kenny and his situation, I hope there'll be a definitive end to his story one day.
Yeah i love aquachigger, funny enough i was watching him before hand and also kenny veach. Aquachigger likes looking for missing persons, but i think he helped to show that if kenny was suicidal theres not many people able to get all the way out there to some hidden spot or cave. He said he wouldn't ever be found, he was confident of that.
If he was planning to prove the existence of the cave, he would have taken the camera.
Good point! Haven’t seen anyone else state this
Look more into this woman claiming to be his ex. She may have been his ex but some of what she was saying has been proven to be untrue or questionable at best. If she was who she claims to be its not hard to fathom that she may have been forced to write such a post to mislead everyone. Everyone is taking this post at it's word without evidence to the contrary. Why is there such little info to the investigation of his disappearance done by the authorities?
@@ryantpritchett2814 Same reason that the vast majority and search and rescue or recovery is conducted by volunteers, not the authorities. And even volunteers have to go back to work eventually.
@@ryantpritchett2814 how so? If so why isn’t it mentioned in this video
@@ryantpritchett2814 exactly she’s tryna throw us off like somebody told her to say that so nobody would ask questions cause Kenny crossed the line and went deep and the government didn’t like what he seen and killed him that’s what I think.
To me, as someone with similar mental health experience I can say it might have been one maniacal elaborate master plan made by Kenny himself. When contemplating ways of ending it all, it’s common to come up with elaborate ways to confuse people for years to come. It’s like leaving behind one last legacy, having one last laugh. in the first video where he is looking for the M cave he almost seems to foreshadow his own demise as if he knew ahead of time and had everything planned out and was planting a diversion, especially because his phone was left at the same mineshaft. Also, showing his planed rout for his second trip to everyone could also have just been another diversion because he allegedly did say “if I did do it, no one would ever find me”. As the experienced and athletic survivalist had no trouble crossing long distances in limited amounts of time, I find it completely possible that he dropped off his phone at the mine before heading off in some unknown direction having set up two cold trails, ensuring the confusion of people interested like us. However we may never know but keep in mind THIS IS JUST A THEORY. Whatever happened is horrible and tragic and I send my condolences to the family. If you struggle with mental health I encourage you to seek help ❤peace and love
Hope you are staying strong and living well 💙
As I’m listening to this video I agree this sounds like some type of metaphorical confrontation of what was going on in his head to me. I think he did what he was intending to do. RIP.
you too huh?
Do you live in a fake world where police and the government would actually tell us they're doing fucked up things in caves??
This was also my thought, stay strong everyone and don't be afraid to ask for help
I remember seeing a video a few months ago about a guy who went out to go try and find the M Cave, and I personally think he actually might've found it. He showed a spot that didn't look too out of the ordinary at first but when he started pointing out different things about it and the environment around it, you could tell it was obviously a hole that had been deliberately sealed up by people. I even remember the guy getting sick after he hung out around the spot for too long.
Edit: I'm pretty sure this was the video I watched if anyone sees this comment and is curious, ruclips.net/video/n2VpNmvwRSM/видео.html
I saw that myself. Was very good and very compelling.
Do either of you have any channel or video names to where I can find this?
The rocks blocking the cave is very weird and even the creator said that the rock would have been moved (by the coloring of the big rock like the light and darker bit)
just watched thet vid. incredible how eerie it is. he followed kenny’s steps and even got sick at the cave too
Yep,i think that was the original m cave and was covered up by military.
Man, I remember hearing about this when I first joined the military. At the time, I was actually subscribed to him and wanted to ask if I could go on one of his hikes. When he disappeared, I largely disregarded the news and assumed they'd find him pretty fast. It deeply saddens me that 1. He has not been found yet, and 2. That I completely forgot. If it meant finding him, I'd gladly go searching into any cave.
I've been invested in this case for years and I always come back to the phone. One of the big things at least us Australians are taught is that if you're being abducted, try to drop objects of yours to potentially create an area of interest for investigators. Something in my gut screams that he left his phone there not so he couldn't be followed, but in hopes he would be. Abandoned Hiking gear is a dime a dozen, a personal cellphone is a direct message.
I'm not saying it was an abduction by aliens at all. I don't believe that fir a second. If I had to guess, I'd put money on him becoming tired or disoriented, having his judgement impaired amd maybe a sense of paranoia led him to believe he was in danger. Be it government, wild animals or something else. But that's just a theory
He was unalived. We see our govt do it all the time. He got too close to something he wasn't supposed to.
Or if you plan to kill yourself, but secretly hope someone/some people care deeply enough about you that they'll search until they find you or your remains.... you leave your cellphone at the entrance to an old mine shaft, because you're about to climb down into that mine and explore as far as he could, before Kenny found a good place to lay down and die (or became stuck & died).
If he was going to leave his phone at the mine shaft, then continue on into the dessert, why would he bother? He could have simply left his phone in his truck, or at home with his camera.
But if you want to hint that you're in the mine, without blatantly saying so and making it seem melodramatic or pathetic? Leaving a cell phone is a pretty big clue, without being completely obvious, like a sign "I'm in the mine"
I suspect the phone was a misdirect by whoever killed him. Hack in, eliminate the route, leave phone behind to imply he went missing
Came from Wendigoon, glad I did. You have a unique way of explaining these cases and I’m here for it
I was one of the Area 51 “raiders” from September 2019. I learned a lot about the area, like how it used to be a respectable region for mining, and Nellis AFB bombing range borders the entrance close to Racheal, NV. You can even see the bombing range signs on the drive to the gate. I would not be surprised if he stumbled into the wrong place while armed and was disappeared by the government as a result. I’m not a big conspiracy theorist but they really don’t play around there at all. Believe me when I say even at a public event like that they will literally (and I do mean literally, it happened) arrest you for putting a fingernail over the line.
Of course, there is a compelling case for suicide.
I was at a very low point and figured wandering out into the woods where no one could find me and letting nature take me would be a great way to go lol. Def possible he did something like that
His girlfriend said he was very depressed and strongly thinks he hid away somewhere not to be found and ended it. Who knows though.
Im from around here. There are also random sinkholes and slews of small mines. “By Nellis” is a huge expanse. And there are a ton of small claims. I wonder if he maybe was trying to tuck away from someone who spotted him and either cave in or it gave way.
I don't mean disrespect by this... buddy, you went to a meme event and took that as an indication of how ppl who were familiar would handle the area? It's cool for what it is and I'm glad more people are learning about the history of the region. The meme was p funny only because people weren't seriously harmed.
The desert is very, very dangerous and it's a terrible idea for tourists to wander out. I don't trust the govt but ofc they kept people at a "public event" from going off and croaking!
Sorry if I've assumed inexperience on your part, absolutely could have gotten ya wrong. 100% recommend going on a tour thru Chaco Canyon if you wanna see some real wild stuff!
@@radishfest I mean I did constant training in the SW deserts in the marines
I wish someone would try and get ahold again of that person that told him not to go in the cave that if he did he would not come out and see what they have to say
His motivation behind the passion to prove people wrong could've been lashing out. Most of what he said can be paraphrased to "You'll regret those comments on my next hike."
Man, listening to his enjoyment of nature, He probably could've been a successful hiking/camping youtuber.
I know, I wish he had known that was an option. RUclips was a different place back in 2014 though.
I remember seeing the “haunted cave” video as a kid and the swinging chain stuck with me for years then to see he that he died in mysterious circumstances is just really weird
That swinging chain video was his? I remember seeing that awhile back
@@bob1hebu1lder2 I don't think it is.
@@bob1hebu1lder2 no it wasn't him and that video was proven to be fake
@@Dravianpn02 yeah, I don't think it is, he returned to that abandoned mine at least once, and I'd viewed several other videos of his.
No that's not the Kenny dude who disappeared, the man who filmed the haunted mine is one of the many people who have claimed to have found the "M" cave.
The guy is basically a liar who makes fake spooky videos for gullible people.
Best advise indeed, never enter a cave alone. Grew up in the most Soutern part of the Netherland called Limburg. We have caves of hundreds of kilometers long reaching far into neighboring countries. Firestone mines from prehistoric days, catacombes from Roman empire, sandstone/chalkstone mines from more recent days and coalmines from 19the and early 20th century and one thing every Limburg child learns is...never ever enter caves alone. I remember several cases of adventures people who thought it was nonsence and wanted some adventures exploring and where never found again. And we don't even have dangerous wild animals to fear from. So indeed, never enter caves alone, or better, simply don't enter at all even in a group without an experienced guide.
Really love your stories and the way you really investigate them and bring all the facts together. Hope it makes people wisser and be more prepaired when they go hiking because I really believe there is a lot on this earth we don't have proof of yet, but that doesn't show it's not there.
The way that his girlfriend was referred to the desert as 'our' desert nearly made me cry.
Aidan, how are you such a wise soul at the age of 24ish? I'm 10 years your senior and you constantly show me areas to improve. Love your work, and of course Aidan behind the camera too.
Fellow Aiden here, getting old while stay young is an art form that cannot be taught, but (nugget) it can be learned with things such as focused meditation.
Can’t believe he’s that young I can only pray to be as educated as he is in 4ish years 😂
@@realcade Aiden is very good at his specialty on this topic. You can master any craft you choose when it pertains to learning subject matter like Aiden did.
Very mature fella' 😁, and very well spoken.
I think I understand why you fountains are gushing, although I'm not ready to sign up as a fanboy.
He definitely has, well I don't know what else to call it but a stage presence
My impression is that he has experience in public speaking/acting/whatever
He knows how to use his facial expressions and tonal qualities to enhance his monologue.
Is he intelligent for a 24 year old?
Sure, based on my viewing of the first 2.5 minutes of his presentation
I'd give more credit, rather than raw intelligence, for his ability to manipulate/control presentation factors necessary for YooToob success .
Again, based on my small sample.
But it would certainly be to his benefit to consider my words
Now you might think, "Who TF is this know it all?"
Well, I could list my academic credentials if anyone truly cared
But let's just say that the success I have achieved on my channel, based on the relatively small effort on my part, is totally unrelated to my academic credentials.
In fact, I plan to launch a new channel soon having to do with long-distance cyclotouring...
Which has nothing to do with my academic credentials
So, apparently I know something.
Based on my small sample, I give Aidan a thumbs-up
However, one thing he must work on, and improve if he intends to earn a higher level of praise from me, is to cut down on the edits, which are separated by what seems to be 2 to 7 seconds¹
It's very distracting
And I assert he can do better
1. I didn't time it, it's just an estimate
4:35 you did NOT need to jumpscare me like that 😭
You gotta watch those wrist rockets man
the way sheryon thought of-and continued to think of-the desert as ‘our desert’ absolutely gutted me for some reason. i think my grief would make me feel a type of… anger at nature, if it swallowed up someone i loved and never gave them back. but the way she spoke of it was reverent, you know? a solid video. i love hearing about the real human person on the missing file, not just their circumstances.
Amazing comment. I don't think I could ever be mad at Nature itself though. I can completely understand if someone loses a family member to an animal and so they then hate that animal but hating Nature would be like hating the Sun. There's not really anything to hate for me, it's just a giant flaming ball of nuclear fission and gas and plasma you know? Animals are a bit different cause they can have personalities, but it'd be like hating the Earth itself in my mind. Dangerous animals, objects, and events, are just Nature's way of keeping 1 species from overrunning existence, I like to believe
I couldn't help but giggle when you said "It's hard to determine the age of the shaft." 😂
"This is quite literally a story about Bad Vibes." Bro I love your intros every time 😂😂😂
I am still disturbed by this case, and wanted to review everything known about Kenny's disappearance, again. You do more than an excellent job when narrating and telling the person's story. Also with respect and kindness, which is especially refreshing in this day and age. Thank you for all of that. I think I understand Kenny and his motivations fairly well, although I didn't know him personally. Kenny was an extremely honest man, who did not fib and tell lies. I think it hurt his ego and his soul a great deal, when the experience that he had at M cave, was disbelieved by some people, and they let him know that in their comments. I believe Kenny was a sensitive soul and man, who found much solace in being outdoors with Nature. I also believe in the veracity of his girlfriend, who stated in her own post, about Kenny likely leaving on his hike, and not ever planning to come back. He was in a difficult place, in his mind, and possibly financially as well. He wanted peace, but most of all, he wanted, and needed to be believed. I lost my own father to suicide, so know the signs, as well as the lifelong grief that is soon to follow. The cell phone left at the mineshaft is a huge clue. So is the camera, left at home. Rest in eternal peace, Kenny Veach.
Ive had similar issues w/ finding something like Kenny did, where you see something that sticks out so much you swear you’d recognize the area and item again, yet you cant find it on return trips. Its frustrating and you start doubting it was as awesome as you thought or it stood out as much as it did.
I’ve had those experiences too.
Hi Aidan(1 of my favorite names),love ur channel! I'm 70 yrs old and my wise father would always remind me...allow,allow,allow. Reminding me of my powerlessness to protect my kids from their life's and my perceptions over their crazy decisions! Saved my peace of mind on more than 1 occasion.
As a new mom that terrifies me. I remember all the dumb things I did as a kid, hopefully my daughter is smarter than me in those regards. She's only 2 now, we have a long way to go. Sending you love and peace Lindy 💜☮
First Kenny Veach, followed by Gary Hinge. Definitely some high strangeness going on in the Nevada desert! When traveling around ANY of our naturally beautiful deserts, whether it's the Mojave or Sonoran....please use a Personal Locator Beacon! Do your loved ones a huge favor! That way, if you ever find yourself out in these areas, the SAR folks can find & get to you very quickly.
Gary Hinge was a fake mockumentary.
Ofc it's Nevada the land of the dead and gone the land of mysterious entities from spooks to supernatural native American dudes hanging out
Bruh... "Gary Hinge" isn't even a real person lmao
You watched a mockumentary, "Gary" is a completely fictional character.
He's not dead, because he was never alive.
The humour in this video is killing me, very good. Also, I completely understand why Kenny would be acting defensively. There are so many humans who are exceptionally antagonistic, rude and straight up bullies. Some think harassment and trolling are just funny, while Kenny from what you described him as sounded like a sensitive person. His clapbacks make total sense, good for him for trying to shut them up. Remember, this isn't someone just stating something, giving additional information and wanting a conversation, those people just come to make you feel bad, troll you and then leave. They don't want a discussion.
There are some fascinating caves and mines throughout the US. Some have very very interesting stories and events behind them. It would be a dream job to get paid to inspect, catalog, and explore these caves throughout the us, maybe even make a guide for other ranging from beginner intermediate advanced abandoned dangerous illegal etc. I have been wanting to visit the caves/mines by Michigan there are some in Ohio the Virginia's and Kentucky. I'm thinking about documenting it here on RUclips or some platform. 😁
That would literally be a dream job to me
If you do ky, bracken co has one that I can't find! It's supposed to be like 5 miles outside Brooksville. I've only heard about it never seen it. And would love so see a video on it.
I hope Kenny is on a beach somewhere started a new life and is doing very well!!!
I m hoping he forgot his name like castiel did in supernatural series and actually found a good wife but had to leave her to fulfill his duties 😭
In my opinion, one of two things happened...
- He found one of the old "Proving Grounds" caves where an underground nuke was tested. Some people get shaky around radiation so that could be his vibrations. I've seen karst caves crumble in on themselves in real time, I assume a nuke cave would be far less stable.
- He was injured and/or heat stroked and animals took him. (I'm not familiar with the desert, but where I am a body can completely disappear in just a few days. The gun would be the only thing left and good luck finding that.)
Not many animals in the Mojave that can take out a man, but a rattler could easily gotten him especially if he was wearing shorts. After that the scavengers couldve gotten him, or maybe he met a very pissed off bore. Either way the Mojave can disappear you real quick, look up the death valley germans for an example.
@@vaultdweller1386 Heat. I live in the semi desert and the heat is BRUTAL. Even with "lows" the sun will make you feel it.
Heatstroke also creeps up on you. And nature, as beautiful as it is, will end you. One split second misguidement and youre a goner.
After that? Animals can easily scatter the body. Scavengers, carnivores etc.
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 I'm well aware I'm from San Bernardino and drive to Palm springs quite frequently.
Not even a gun would be left if over the years a lot of changes happened as in weather changes that changed the ground level terrain.
I think the lady planted the car and phone.
I am a Vegas local and spent a lot of time off-roading the whole sheep range. The area is off what is an old road that goes to Alamo Nevada. I have only been through there once at night and I can tell you that whole side of the mountain feels off. I have spent a good portion of my life in the desert and for the most part it is beautiful, but that area is just wrong. I hope he went and found what he was looking for.
If it is the government’s doing, they did a very good job. Also if they wanted to get rid of the body, it would be very easy to just leave it on a ridge a couple of yard away, and most people would not even see it even from the air.
My father worked forestry at the next range over (Spring Mountains) that has a very heavy human presence there and search and rescue couldn’t find bodies there for months. It was only when a random cross county hiker came across the remains. The Great Basin is a very unforgiving place and be careful out there.
I truly have been binging every single video on your channel. These cases have been bothering me for literally years and years now. Keeping me up at night and I’m almost embarrassed at how many hours I have spent wracking my brain & trying to come to some conclusion or answer to what has happened to some of these people…it boggles my mind. Thank you for walking that fine line between being skeptical enough, questioning the info and also having your mind open enough to be willing to explore the more “out there” possibilités. Thank you for what you do.
Maybe Kenny couldn’t find the cave and kept going but went too far. Maybe he ended up close to the bomb testing field and some munitions went off target and blew Kenny up. The government found Kenny’s remains and is covering it up.
If that was the outcome I doubt they’d waste time and resources covering it up. Bombing ranges are typically clearly marked with no trespassing signs warning of the danger, they’d likely just say he was hiking where he shouldn’t have and throw some cash at his family
Also found his gun...
Maybe. But they probably would have made an example out of him.
I’ma be honest, the bombing ranges are so remote and out of the way that even military personnel don’t go out there. If a body’s out there, like with some of the other similar cases, it’ll never be found.
I'm glad I watched this. You restarted my interest in this case. My guess would be that he stumbled upon a government THANG but, hey, it could have been a lot of things.
“As someone who regularly makes outrageous claims on the internet, I’m quite familiar with this process” I AM CRACKING UP
I've followed this story for a few years now and my theory about what happened has changed over time. As you mentioned, his channel was not monetised, his artwork wasn't really selling, he was running out of money and he may have had mental health issues. The Kenny we see in that video was really alive when he was out in the desert or mountains, when he was close to nature. It seemed to mean so much more to him than any of his other interests, such as UFOs. With everything going on, Kenny was obviously heading for a turning point in his life, he was on the downward slide to 50, about to have to face the fact his dream of running his own craft business had failed and he would soon have to find a mundane job just to pay his bills. On the day he filmed that last video, he may have headed out there determined to prove his claims, but while out there in the desert, a place he truly loved, maybe he had an epiphany and realised that non of it really mattered. It must have dawned on him that even if he found the cave, there was no way it could ever be spectacular or eery enough to satisfy the nay-sayers, and he wasn't even in a position to make some money from it. He's at that turning point, right there and then, and so maybe he left his phone by the mine shaft on the way back, with no real intention of ever heading back out. Maybe he just wanted to start fresh and left everything behind. It seems unthinkable and yet people do it, and it's less drastic than suicide. Maybe in the aftermath he saw all the commotion on the internet and wrote that letter from the "girlfriend" (as you say, he was a good writer and their style is quite similar) as a way of saying "Leave it be, Kenny is gone" because he has left that life behind and wants to be left alone now. I'd prefer to think he's out there somewhere living happily away from prying eyes under an assumed name, surrounded by nature and feeling at peace.
The last video he uploaded was months before he disappeared lol so he definitely didn't leave his cell phone at the mine shaft at that time.
The cell phone left at the mine shaft is the key to me, clearly indicating that's where Kenny went, down into the mineshaft to die.
The cell phone is a hint for searchers without being totally obvious, like a test to see if anyone really loved or cared about Kenny? If they did, they'd find the cell phone clue and refuse to stop until they located him, which is down in the mine shaft.
If no one took the hint and explored the shaft? Oh well, his disappearance would remain a mystery and even that was better than dying a nobody, that nobody cares about and nobody remembers.
@@FlichterI believe the shaft has been completely searched. I think the OP is probably close to the truth. I think the cellphone was left so it would prove he went on the walk and no one would question if he actually did do the hikes he claimed.
There is a very easy explanation for this. The cave was on the base and the feelings he experienced were an Area Denial System that was being used to keep people out of an area. When he came back for the 2nd time, he was armed and paranoid, which led him to draw on an MP when confronted. He got shot, and the MP dropped his phone in a cave to prevent tracking, and the body in a deeper cave, in an effort to avoid the scandal.
While I'm not sure about the MP thing (possible, but seems like occams razor would apply), the ADS conjecture I find quite plausible. He does certainly describe the effects of one emanating from the cave
I tend to steer away from conspiracies and try to stay logical but to me this is the most likely outcome because why would he go all the way out that far to end his life. Im sure there was other more convenient spots he enjoyed to go to if that was his intent
This is the reasonable thought I can think of as well. The cell phone is the glue on it for me.
@@realcade Because when someone commits suicide, a lot of the times, they think too much about other people. From what their opinions are, to others.
A big factor of this, is knowing how bodies decay, he could have just not wanted whoever to find him to find a rotting corpse.
He even said if he DID commit sucide, NO ONE would find him.
He also went on hikes because it was one of the few things he enjoyed. He could have gone on that hike in a last ditch effort to stay alive, a positive boost.
When it didn't work....he could have just chosen not to come back, but It feels premeditated.....leaving the phone behind is a strange choice for anyone BUT him to leave it at THAT exact mineshaft.
This is absolutely believe. There is a reason they don't ppl snooping around bases etc. And I think you meant the active denial system.
When I was a kid I used to say that when I was finally done with being alive, I'd just go sailing into the Bermuda Triangle or hiking around Tunguska or some equally "unlikely to ever make it back alive" venture that might at least give me some answers before my doom. I was a weird kid. 😅 But yeah, going to explore this cave is definitely one of the things I'd consider a worthy End of the Line Adventure if I was at all feeling at that point. The only thing that doesn't add up for me is him leaving his camera behind, as even if he'd been planning to just find a nice spot to put his gun to use, recording his last trip, and a goodbye message for friends/family, would make more sense for a guy who seems like his death wish was the "rational" and thought-out kind. He was still enjoying life, but the life he enjoyed wasn't sustainable in this society. Taking risks is easy when you're in that headspace, even if you aren't actively planning to do anything to yourself.
Whatever the case, I hope he found something he felt was worth it, and that he had no regrets.
I used to think that way as well. You weren't weird.. weird would be implying that there aren't many like you; in reality (and it kinda pains me to say this) we are "normal".
I'd daydream about going deep into the ocean to find some unknown creature as a marine biologist, and tragically being gobbled by a shark.
"That'll show her" I did not get along well with my mother.
I had the same sort of thought process when my depression was at its worst. I didn't really want to end it in the usual sense. I told myself if I lost all hope on my life, I would pick a direction and just walk. And I would keep walking until whatever happens happens.
A cave next to an Airforce base that makes you vibrate when you go inside? That sounds like a radioactive waste dump site 💀💀💀
“WATCH THOSE WRIST ROCKETS” 😂😂😂 classic
Kenny fell into a wormhole, he now is living his best life in another dimension making toilet paper holders
I guess if he really enjoyed losing toenails, that's his business. But it seems like he was really careless. Your toenails shouldn't fall off after walking. I've spent a lot of time hiking and have never had issues like that. He probably should have seen a doctor. But all in all, it really feels like it was just a story. People tend to make up stories to feel more important. Particularly if they don't have friends.
Yeah that part and other parts sound really made up. Nobody plays with rattlesnakes like that on hikes. Realistically nobody could carry three days worth of water for a hike like that. He just doesn't sound like any desert hiker I've ever hiked with. The stuff he described that sounds realistic (pinion tree and tarantula) could have been right next to where he parked his truck.
Didn't like that sound jumpscare. Didn't like it on the previous videos. Loved the rest of the video though!
This is literally one of those stories I can listen to or be dissected multiple times and still be interesting.
The 2021 found footage film "Horror in the High Desert" (reportedly inspired by this case) somehow brought me here. Now I'm hooked to the Lore Lodge. I'm ready to fall down my rabbit's hole, Mr. DeMille!
it would be pretty easy for someone to accidentally disappear in the vast Nevada desert by accident, let alone if they didn’t want to be found. He could’ve deviated from the the planned route to throw off any investigation and done many other unpredictable things to make a successful search less likely.
Thank you for talking about this story in video form Aidan, the live stream was great already and this video is fantastic. Keep up the great work and take care!
Fancing meeting you here and not on one of Styxs videos Jared!
Was taking a shower in the dark (lights and fan are connected to one switch and can’t hear the vid if light/fan is on), no one else is in my apartment, and that stormtrooper noise at the start scared the shit out of me! Was not expecting random loud garbled voices in these videos lol, I nearly jumped. God bless bro, keep up the good work! (with fewer jump scares)
This is a sad tale cause Kenny seems like a really cool dude.
The story 127 hours should remind everyone that no matter how much you know the terrain shit can always happen.
As someone who spent their childhood wandering unsupervised in the woods, it is incredibly easy to get lost in the wild, and evidence, up to and including corpses, can vanish incredibly quickly. The fact that no one can find him even though we know his route is not surprising or suspicious to me in the least, unfortunately.
They found his gun
There is no "woods" to wander in, it is wide open desert/mountains. And bones last for a very long time in that arid climate. And no, they did not find his gun.
@@jefcla1172 I live on the south side of the San Bernardino moutains and I can assure you that the Mojave has lots of bones across it its just usually not human. The point is just cause they are there doesnt mean that anybody has noticed them and if his was body any where near a wash that they could very well be buried. Hell ive seen cars half buried in the sand in washes.
@@vaultdweller1386 The guy said there was nothing unusual about this disappearance and that is far from the truth. Literally everything about this case is unusual.
So many things could have gone wrong over the course of his last, 3-day-long hike.
With no camera for proof
Your uploads are much MUCH better when it's just you on camera. The audio quality is so.much better (it's loud enough which is critical) and the content is better produced.
It's because of the nature of the podcast - it's a live show that's uploaded automatically after for those who missed it. The quality is innately going to be far worse than when we can control more of the variables with editing and such. However, as we grow and can afford better equipment, we plan to continue to make each viewing experience better and better. We want to make all content as enjoyable to watch as possible, and we're slowly working our way there :)
@@TheLoreLodge do you think you could cut back on the freak out cut in words. I come for the story and history and then all of a sudden…AAHHH at top volume screech. It always startles me beyond belief and causes me to stop listening. I’ve encountered it twice today and I am reluctant to watch other videos as I am not looking for a horror experience. I can watch the scariest, strangest, even goriest things, but now that I am over 60 I do not want to have a heart attack over an unnecessary gratuitous screech in an unexpected place. Please be mindful. Thank you.
LOVED how you handled this! So respectful and accurate.❤
I literally just discovered your channel today. Great channel!!! Keep up the amazing work!!!😊😊😊
This is 2022, we have drones so readily available. I don't understand why people don't just use drones to scan his route, it would be so much easier to look for such a clearly defined cave from the air
@@NormandyFoxtrot Not only that, Kenny said the cave was right at ground level. A cave, from directly above, tends to disappear.
“Small hole”
Im really not trying to be an asshole here and I mean no disrespect but you REALLY don't know what you're talking about.
Same like other cases....people go look for the missing but never stumble upon previous missing people..
I was once in a cave in NM called Big Skylight Cave. This cave leads to a system with many branches that go for miles. My friends and I had been in the cave maybe 3 hours and we got to the end of a branch of the cave. For some reason, at this spot, we all split up and explored different parts of the cave. I cant explain what happened but I stayed in this spot I went into a sort of trance and I heard faint music coming out of this tiny cave entrance. It was about 2' x 1'. I immediately climbed in. The cave was so tight that i had to keep my arms by my side and wiggle like a worm using my mostly useless arms and feet. I wiggled down this tiny tunnel on my back about 50' until I came to a spot where it bent 90° to go straight up. This whole time I was following this faint music. I couldnt even describe the music now. When I looked up I could see another cave at the top with light in it. The music was coming from here.
At this point its like my rational mind took control again because I couldnt figure out how to maneuver my body to make this 90° bend upwards in such a tight space.
I calmly wiggled backwards pulling myself with my heels a few inches at a time until I popped out this tiny hole and my friends were there asking where the hell I'd been. I think I laughed and told them I had been exploring that tiny side cave. I didn't tell them about the music or act scared because it would take us at least a couple hours to get out of the cave and I didnt want to scare them on the outward journey back to camp.
We headed back, past the underground icicles, explored more side tunnels and eventually came out. We were in that cave over 8 hours. The thing is is that this cave was in El Malpais and when we got out the cave it was night time. This area has such magnetic fluctuations affecting compasses that airplanes arent allowed to fly over it so you cant trust compasses. Also there arent trails because the ground is basalt lava flows, so you follow cairns of rocks, which are invisible at night. Luckily I know my constellations plus I had hung chem lights at our camp (which was one of the only patches of exposed dirt suitable to put tents) so I was able to navigate us straight back to camp.
People actually disappear there in the El Malpais every now and then. No sign is ever found of these people.
And that night/morning after we got back to camp, a skinwalker visited one of my buddies when he went to take a whizz. He did the same thing I'd done and didn't mention it until we were home because he didnt want to scare us.
This was back in like 2009 or something but knowing what I know now about Missing 411 and how dangerous that area is, its pretty chilling.
That music was definitely a lure of some sort. Sound vibration that sound enchanting anyone with a weak mind and willpower will fall in the trap
Interesting note: you mentioned the area is called Malpais. In Spanish "Mal" means bad, evil, or wrong & "pais" means country or territory or land. So it means something like badlands or Evil territory, etc
You've already gone through a great effort writing this, but I was wondering if you could describe the skin walker thing in detail?
What do you mean by skin walker btw? Do you mean something along the lines of a fleshgait or native American human?
Lots of info I’ve never heard about this situation covered in this video. Good job man.
This is the first one of your videos I've seen. May I comment please sir. You are an excellent speaker. You deliver your conversation with confidence and appear to be very well versed in the topic you cover in this video. You speak clearly enough that an old codger like me can understand your words (which is critically important if what you're selling is spoken words!) and your delivery of the words is done with perfect annunciation and inflection. Your pauses and emphasis' are always spot on. And, to help make the preceding true, the editing is like one-touch perfect!! Nice job. I think I'll subscribe and see some more of your work. Thank you. I've seen a bunch of M-Cave videos. I enjoyed yours.
FINALLY! Someone who did a lot of research! We need more people like you getting the truth out there and really doing some digging into all this muddy water they've created. They can plug one hole but they can't plug them all!
Great summary of the theories and case. Thank you!
I love your channel and passion towards the subjects. Very interesting stuff! Subscribed and liked!
Excellent content as always, this is the most complete rendition of this story I've heard so far- same with just about every video I've watched on this channel. Finally, somebody that's thorough 😌
Also: maybe he was all in a tizzy when he was packing for the trip, finally found the cave after days of hiking, only to realize at that point that he forgot to pack his camera. I know that that would probably push me over the edge
It's very rare for me to lean toward a non-supernatural explanation, but I do wonder - if Kenny WAS suicidal, maybe the whole M Cave story was an elaborate lie to mask his true intentions.
To me it really sounds like Kenny decided he was gonna take one last attempt at finding the M cave at come back if he found it, but was unsuccessful and decided to commit suicide while he was out there. He had already lost most of his money and as you said, didn't want to go back to working a normal job. He was probably hoping that whatever he found in the cave would give him a new purpose, but ultimately just succumbed to the wilderness
Why would the government put something they didn't want people to find in a cave on publicly accessible land and then leave it unguarded?
M cave Ultra, we need to talk about that
I am now hooked, as long as this channel exists. And as long as there are people with a ravenous appetite for stories like this, you will never cease to exist. After seeing you for the first time, I am now convinced that reincarnation is real. And don't worry about adding a lot of extemporaneous content, because a good story teller is able to open the minds eye and spark the imagination. I felt like I was right there hanging out with Kenny on his adventures. If he has left us, may he rest in peace.
You speak really well for a video production. Thanks for this post!
First time checking out your channel and you do a great job!
Don’t know how I found this channel but I’m digging it.
I love your content and storytelling!! Thank you
Glad you enjoy it!
Just found your channel. Love your presentation of these topics! New Sub! ❤️
Like this guy ,respectful informative and non judgemental. Straight ,forward and honest. Good video
Found your channel through Wendigoon, and I love what I see! I'm very interested in Missing 411 cases, as they range from odd/puzzling like this one to truly unexplainable.
Very much sounds like he went looking somewhere where he wasn’t meant to and was “suicided” for his troubles. It wouldn’t be the first time an otherwise fine and healthy individual has “committed suicide” after talking about something they shouldn’t be.
Perhaps, although there are many natural creatures that could have unalived him also. Cant forget about the John Carter cave either.
Lmao he got "Clintoned"
Honestly? Suicide is much more likely
What do you mean, talking about something they shouldn't be? Are you implying the gov. Unalived him?
Just found your Chanel and I really like it. You get to the point without a bunch of beating around the bush.
Thanks for this video. A topic Im very curious about. Pleased to meet you. You did a great job covering this!!!! Now subscribed
I like your commentary you make jokes but you don't constantly make them and interrupts the story like a very popular channel does. Glad I found you!
I've been hiking in this area and to the north. It feels like dread, like I'm being watched. This is where some Native Tribes have legends of fleeing from a spiritual forced and interdimensonal portals. Some refer to them as the ancient enemy.
Story aside, that glasses bite & attempted growl would totally win me over just because it’s the cutest thing I’ve ever seen 😆😂
First time watcher, I like your style man. Good stuff!
“I enter every cave I see” I feel like stating this just automatically makes your shirt rip apart, your muscles grow 10x, and you grow chest hair like the lawn of a derelict rural home
As soon as I find out he personally seeks out primary sources or as close as he can possibly get, that's an instant sub from me fam! (I appreciate the hours and hours of mind numbing research!! 😭👌 Accuracy solidarity dude! Major props!)
Thank you for the Star Wars: Battlefront II (2005) meme at 4:35. I love you for this. You’re not only a new favorite RUclipsr but person. lol keep up the good content!
A very good narration. I subscribed !
"Don't. Do. That... That's a great way to not exist anymore..."
Good presentation of the case. I think he will be found. One day. Perhaps.
I've never heard of this Kenny guy before, but now I'm sad he went missing
A belated happy birthday! Mine is the 14th. Just 41 years earlier! I am enjoying your content and the way you deliver. Thank you.
Great investigation. Thanks!
He left the phone by the shaft to make people think he went out that way. And he likely went somewhere else to opt out. Another scenario i see possible is someone accepted his.challemge to go on the hike with him. That person brought a camera to record so he didnt need his camera. This scenario is a bit of a stretch though.
¡Gracias! You make great content
Glad you enjoy it!