The Unexplainable Disappearances of Missing 411
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For the 2 year old who covered 12 miles- theres a good case that a mountain lion (what he interpreted as a kitty cat) had mistaken him as a cub or kitten and delivered him to a safe zone. Sometimes with cats what you find is when a mother loses her own kittens in a state of sadness and motherhood hormones, she adopts the next closest thing as a replacement. In this case it was the child
Interesting theory and I’ve heard it before. The only problem is the route that the cat would have to take to get him to where he was found. As stated in the video Les Stroud (survivorman) said it was impossible. This is because, there were *multiple* barbed wire fences in the way, along with super dense terrain, swamps, sheer cliffs, and just horribly rough ground in general. There’s no way a cat is going to the trouble of carrying him through all that. Plus mainly the barbed wire fence thing the cat wouldn’t have been able to climb it, being high, especially with the child in its jaws and especially without either of them so injured that the endeavour would have just ended right there
I think it’s _possible_ a cat could have been involved, but if so, not for the whole 12 miles. If a trained expert can’t do it I’m sure he was considering if a cat could do it - and - _would_ the cat do it without eating him. The cat taking the kid as it’s own cub and going on that epic mission beyond the world’s foremost survival expert (in the dark, mostly, and in freezing temperatures) seems... rather unlikely. To say the least .
@FreedomFrank, as someone who has seen mountain lions up close in the wild, I can assure you they can jump barbed wire fences. Also, they will sometimes drag food up into trees, so carrying a small child wouldn’t be a big deal. But who knows what really happened…
@@dalerimoller272 would a cougar carry food for 12 miles?
@@J3diMindTrix exactly, there's too many obstacles here for that to be the most likely explanation, i always found it far more likely in these stories that someone is taking these kids and moving them to the new location, for what purpose? idk... but i think human intervention has always been the most likely explanation on the "kids get lost and then found many miles from initial location" stories.
@@J3diMindTrix wait you think a human who traverses these regions as a hobby is going to be more capable of navigating this area than an animal that evolved to traverse these regions?
Think about that for a second. It is nonsense
People who have never been in the woods don't understand how easy it is to get lost in the woods. One hunting season I was walking to my deer stand (about a quarter mile walk from the tree line). I usually walk there right as the sun comes up, but decided to get an early start and left while it was still dark. I thought it was strange when I ended up at a creek because it was about 1 mile from the tree line. I decided to sit and wait for the sun to come up before I walked back. I had walked 4 times the distance I needed and walked right past my stand.
Happends more often than i thought then
Yeah true none of this stuff is unexplainable. It may seem that way but not if you think about it properly.
The forest is alive and many things look identical, it's exactly as wendigoon said, the forest is a living creature. When you go in, it feels different, like you wandered into someplace where you'll never fully have the right to be in. And when everything looks the same in the forest, it's easy to make landmarks in the wrong places. You can set out in one direction in a pathless forest, and get turned around very quickly, at night this all amplifies and the forest becomes VERY terrifying, more things are about, and you get the feeling that the forest knows you are there and is wary of you.
@@richman360 umm 2 year old being able to cover 12 miles in less than 24 hours
Me when I play DayZ or ArmA: I know my precise location by looking at these two trees and can perfectly navigate to any spot on the map when it's pitch dark
Me irl: the forest looks like forest. Seriously though, if you are not constantly checking the direction of your walk through the woods, it's so easy to mess up.
One of the most disturbing theories about this I’ve heard is that in a lot of cases the parents are purposely abandoning their children as way of legally killing them, since going missing in a forest is so easy and happens so frequently. The number of missing children who also have disabilities is depressingly high.
Holey....I hope with everything in me this isn't true in even once case 🥺
You know, I hadn't thought of a "Hansel and Gretel" effect regarding some disappearances of children. That's definitely a new one to me.
I would like to agree with this, that is if the 411 cases wouldn't nearly perfectly overlap with cave system locations.
@@KraljHD but several of the cases had the persons remains found. Not sure how that would correlate to cave systems. However those who were never found definitely could’ve wandered into caves.
@@kingrat8907 There's a theory that something lives in the cave systems and whatever those beings are do this to people and either take them down in the caves or just kill them outside, or in rare cases leaves them traumatized or with amnesia.
Germanic? Forests? Limestone? Memory loss and time skips? It's the bloody fae, and we need to start carrying iron and holly.
Exactly what I'm saying. It's little people!
Man, it's not just " little people". They are part of the devil's horde. And all the " cryptids " you could name, are responsible. And some will eat humans, ( most do). Yet it gets into the supernatural... And there are also human captives, breeders, etc....
Gods punishment for WWII 😂
A Note on the Bobby Bissop Case: It was later found that the Catholic camp he was at had major sexual abuse issues, and the man who claimed to have last seen him as well as one of the men who found him were both among the accused abusers. It is very possible he was killed by counselors at the camp, who tried to destroy/hide his body, hence why so little of him was ever found.
Yeah, most of these cases have human involvement no doubt. The 411 author keeps it very vague and generic on purpose.
As soon as I heard he was at a catholic camp that’s the first thing that came to my mind. That he was sexually abused and either left himself, or someone else got rid of him.
Surely is more logic that the abductors are people and no supernatural monsters.
That is so sad but it makes sense
@@fluffyyote 🤨
I’m glad this is going to be a series. Because, to me, the most fascinating story of all of the Missing 411 is the boy who was found. And talked about being in a cave with his robot grandma. I can’t think of anything more Wendigoon than a boy held captive by a robot grandma in a cave.
Yes, this is my fav nonexplainable series, ever.
There’s so much more compelling content to be made out of these cases. I can’t wait.
Na just probably just some Aliens messing with the kid, or kid found some other worldly mushrooms on the forest floor
Name of the kid or case?
Idk wtf your talking about but the line “held captive by a robot grandma” is riveting for lack of a better term
For the Aarron one, it actually makes a lot of sense. As an experienced hiker, when you are hiking by yourself, especially at night you begin to doubt yourself. A lot. From personal experience, I went hiking with a friend deep in the Washington forest and got lost. Intellectually I could have told you that the parking lot was less than a mile away. However, I was emotional and began to panic and almost climbed a cliff. But for me, I was able to snap back to my senses after skillfully tripping over a log. I then found my way back. But I will tell you while I was panicking, the idea of leaving my back and boots was so tempting because of how tired I was and how hot they were. I believe a similar thing could have happened.
If he saw the main road tho, why didn’t he go for help? I feel like it was foul play of some kind and that’s why all his stuff was scattered because the perp was using it
@@JakePayneWrestling I will personally say, the thing that allows you to get anywhere when you are that tired is your own mental strength it is more than possible that his ran out. In fact, that makes sense, he was overlooking the road, had coffee and a drink and probably was making his way to the road, and just couldn't and gave up. It happens alot with in SAR, people just loose the will.
Washington State forests are pretty dense and not a good place to get lost. Not gonna lie, this video made me a bit more nervous about hiking, but perhaps that's part of the thrill. No doubt I'll be thinking about this when I go. There's something really serene about the Washington forests like other than native Americans, there's very little history except for that of the forest.
@@N8R_Quizzie I absolutely agree. It's all about remaining in the right mind.
Is it not safer to just stop for the night and calm down, start again when you can see? That said, don't get bears or mountain lions or any of the other gert people eating things you have over here
As someone who was lost in the forest as a very young child and found much further away that the search and rescue said I "should" be. I very firmly believe that many people significantly underestimate how fast and far a small child can make it in a few hours. For example, many adults need breaks while hiking, a child used to running around and playing outside a lot can go all day with no breaks, and often times, their curiosity also motivates them to keep moving. Also, due to their small size, they can easily fit through obstacles that adults can't.
To clarify, as an almost 5 year old, my younger brother and I walked off into the forest on my great uncle's property. We were gone for a day and a half, never ate anything, and ended up somewhere like 20 miles away from where we started. We started and did not stop walking at all, except for at night when we fell asleep on a steep incline dirt path likely caused by wild animals that often walked through there. We were found by a splinter group of search and rescue that just happened to find us on the road.
Yeah idk I'm finding it a little hard to believe that they're saying it's "impossible" to hike 12 miles in less than a day, I've personally hiked 16 miles in that same time frame and that was including summiting a small peak as well. Now that fact it was a 2 YO makes it a bit more impractical I feel like it's still far from impossible
@@jamesezell5338 yea i've done 20mi in a day just walking from morning to sunset. hardly ate too, just walked.
@@jamesezell533812 miles as the crow flies over extremely rough mountainous terrain and a 2 year old? come on.
@@sirisrex7542did you do it over rough mountainous terrain over cliffs and through bad weather as a two year old?
The last story was heartbreaking. Watching your own child walk for, unbeknownst to you, possibly his last moments, disappear behind a tree line and to never return, has to be the most gut wrenching feeling imaginable.
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@@BeastLordofMetal ????????
@@toungebone :)
@@BeastLordofMetal weirdo
@@BeastLordofMetal you need to be gutted
When I was a Boy Scout, it was very early on repeatedly ingrained into our heads a rule called the Buddy System, where we were required to take at least one other person with us going anywhere during our camping and backpacking trips. Even just walking somewhere to go to the bathroom or explore a certain area of the woods, the adults were very adamant that everything happened in at least groups of two, so that if something went wrong there was a much higher chance one of us could help the other or tell the rest of the troop what happened. Judging by all these cases, it should probably be taught to anyone wanting to spent days on end out in the wild like this.
Is that why your scout leader always went into the bathroom with you?
@@CoolestKidOnTheShortBus it was only kids and only for the walk over there, not actually inside
but theres also cases where a buddy walks around a tree in clear sight of the other buddy and the one that walks around the tree never comes around the other side and vanishes
Interesting point. I think the larger issue is we evolved as social animals, as such in our early development we would have traveled in the wilderness in small groups not as individuals. Rugged individualism is only a modern day thing and probably isn't very helpful in the wilderness.
They have cases of people disappearing right in front of people. Usually they'll be playing in front of the parent and the parent will look away for a split second and one of their kids will be gone and the other kids didn't see them leave either. More likely than not I've heard stories of them with people when they disappear than not.
I grew up in a town essentially in a forest. My grandmother would say we were lucky because the forest we lived loves us but there are places that don't like people or want them around. She would warn me to not be too trusting with nature and that not every place on earth is like our home.
May I ask what town? Not to be creepy I’m just super curious
Slavic culture has a lot of stories about different forest monsters, and i believe a lot of other ones have those, too. Anthropoligists believe these were developed to keep the kids and lone grownups away from the dangers of the forest. However, there are a lot of good forest creatures, as well, and most of the rituals were done in the forest to appeal to the forest beings to be gentle. Wolves, arguably the most dangerous forest animals in these areas, were held at an almost sacred level, killing of which was basically a curse, because you didn't want to anger the scary spirits. And understandably so, before the guns were invented, we did not manage to actually rule the forests, they were terrible places to get lost, and a lot of villages were built near them or surrounded by them for defence and resources, which resulted in a lot of kids being killed by forest animals and people getting lost.
🔺 Remember to respect the gnomes 🔺
Very wise
A wise woman, your Gran. That rings very true
I grew up in a small town in Appalachia. The story that still makes the hair on my neck stand up is a high school kid who was camping with his family and suddenly, without explanation, ran from the bank of a pond straight into the woods in a random direction and was never seen again. His father and brother tried pursuing him but could not keep up. To this day, there hasn’t been any sign of him dead or alive. Just simply dropped his fishing rod, ran in a random direction, and just disappeared. It’s been over 20 years since it has happened
name of case?
thats freaky
What’s the name of the case?
Panic attack maybe. I’ve done the same thing in Walmart while just shopping. Literally dropped what I was doing, ran out of the store, ended up running 2 miles home not paying attention to cars or anything. My husband had to go back when I got home because I left my purse and keys to the car in the shopping cart. I couldn’t even get in the apartment and tried going in a back entrance (not the one I normally go to). No idea why.
@@settame1 I've been through times in my life when panic attacks were frequent. It's not fun. I feel like the sheer fluorescent depression Wal-Mart radiates might bring it out more easily lol.
Fun fact, when you enter a state of panic, especially out in a wooded area/secluded area, it really does feel like you're somewhere else. You vision gets narrower, things seem more defined and darker almost, you're hearing and actively paying attention to the noises around you meaning even small rustles in leaves sound much louder than they did before. You pay attention to the shadows that move around and it gets harder to breathe. You lose track of time, since your brain is only focused on the goal of staying alive. You no longer feel winded ort tired of running, you feel like you could run miles if it meant escaping whatever it is that startled you so bad. It's a surreal experience, and I've only had it happen once in an area I was familiar with, so I knew how to get home from my location, but I could have very easily gotten lost if I was somewhere unfamiliar.
That’s pretty wild. Probably puts you in the shoes (hooves?) of deer and other prey animals, in that you experience the woods like they might.
That's fascinating in a weird way, can't ever imagine that sort of feeling
I’ve felt similar symptoms from anxiety attacks. Though, I don’t recall ambient noises becoming louder, more the opposite. My ears rang loudly so I couldn’t hear anything around me. I can recall the narrowing vision and definitely felt my throat close and it getting harder to breathe.
Happened to me when I was swimming around a collection of rocks on a snorkeling tour. Got completely disorientated and began to worry that the boat would leave without me since they seemed fairly cavalier with their headcount process.
Really had to fight against the response my body was experiencing. I swim daily but it was if the whole thing was foreign to me. I can imagine how people could easily get lost in woods and forests.
The forest endurance is real. I start running because the feeling of freedom in a forest and I can sprint for half an hour with elevation changes and I'm a smoker
It's such a shame that Wendigoon went missing after his trip to the ocean. Leaving only his button down 50 miles off the shore, and his goatee sitting perfectly shaven 20 feet from his car.
EDIT: Aight Mr. Goon, where you at, it's been 12 days ;-;
Truly, a most unusual phenomenon if ever there was one.
Such a shame 😔
Dibs on the beard.
Probably giants
wah
I was almost one of these cases. In 9th grade, I was on a field trip to a sleepaway camp and suddenly vanished. I had fallen down a ravine and hit my head HARD. Confused, in pain, and being supervised by teachers who did not like me in the slightest, I wandered off the campus and ended up 1 km away, on a desolate road... as the sun was setting... in rural Alberta. Thank goodness I was able to get back to camp before the sun set.
The most interesting part of this story? NONE OF THE TEACHERS WERE LOOKING FOR ME. The only ones who were actively looking for me was my friend group.
Can you imagine being a teacher and being like: ' Whelp! She's dead!'
highkey wondering if a lot of missing 411 is people losing someone and either due to not liking them or not knowing good survival skills doesnt worry for hours.
That is foul bro they did you dirty
Honestly, so many teachers in general are just horrendous people. Glad you ended up being alright.
"God bless the man who invented permission slips!"
Jesus, what did you do to piss off a group of teachers that they would just LEAVE YOU FOR DEAD?!
An interesting angle to missing children that I've heard is that parents underexaggerate when their child went missing. They may not have been paying attention to their child for longer than they say and don't notice their child's absence before a long time passes so they give the ol' "I looked away for one second and he was gone" excuse because they don't want to sound like a bad parent. So then the timeframe and search area/radius can be so incorrect that it's the reason why the child was farther away than they thought or in a different direction than expected.
As someone with a 1 year old it’s very easy to literally look away for a second and have them be at the top of the stairs. Our daughter would also wake up in the middle of the night sitting upright when she couldn’t even roll over, she’d be scared because she couldn’t lay down and could barely sit upright by herself normally. Still have no idea how she did it.
This is a great point!
Yes and of course if you hear missing 411 on any story you should check if the bullcrap talking david paulides has spun a load of crap about it for him to sell sensationalised stories cashing in on peoples tragedies.
This is a good point, however I have also been on the same side as they have. Looking away for literally 1-2 seconds, then looking back to see I missed something. While I'm sure in moments of distress and panic, time may seem faster in retrospect, it can also be the honest truth.
@@settame1bad parenting
People say it's always odd that missing 411 cases are found further up in elevation, but I think that may have a rather logical explanation. Imagine you are lost and see a mountain or cliff. There would be the case for the logic that getting to a higher position relative to the land would guarantee a greater range of visibility and a potential solution to their disorientation. That would explain why they would have gone through the effort of climbing up several thousand feet or so. But that causes exhaustion, and their body may be operating on adrenaline. The result is that they put themselves in a worse position because they can't get out of the area and are now severely weakened and exposed. This may not explain every case but this is certainly a hypothesis worth investigating. Every human is capable of overestimating their abilities in a survival scenario.
I mean, thats what i naturally do in Minecraft so its not far fetched
Well what abt 2 year old that travelled a great amount of distance in a short amount of time
@@stormboyo1776 possible cougar or mountain lion just picking them up and dropping them. I mean some pretty big evidence is the "cat scratched me". Some animals are known to pick up their prey and take them places, either that or the mountain lion/cougar thought of the kid as its child and was taking it back to its cave.
@@stormboyo1776 Well what do we know about 2-year-olds? They have a bunch of energy and wander off frequently. Toddlers are lightweight and can be carried by all sorts of animals. They have a noticeable lack of concern for their safety and can't articulate their needs or information that well. They can't estimate time well and get into typically unreachable places. In Missing 411 cases, it may seem that a toddler traveling great distances is impossible but it really depends on the distance and circumstances. In the case of Stephen Rowan Griffin, which is mentioned in the video, it's not really that improbable to think that a child wandered 3 miles away in just 11 hours when most adults can cover a similar distance in the same environment in around 1-2 hours. Looking at the area on Google Maps, the wooded area where he went missing looks rather populated and there is a campsite nearby. It is likely that Griffin followed the cat onto a trail and walked through the woods via those trails, not to mention that the search party that found him frequently rode their ATVs through the area.
Other details about that particular case can also be explained just by looking at the environment and figuring out how a toddler would traverse it. The area where Griffin was found seems to be around this location (42.770118, -72.291866) which is not really a swamp, but more like a marsh, where the ground would have been saturated with water. In that environment, the ground may support lighter animals, but heavier animals may sink into the land a bit.
This would explain the detail of Griffin being dry when found while the search party had to wade through the wetland, if this detail is even correct because many of the details in this story are either unsupported or contradicted by other sources. For instance, while many of the sources covering this case mention a swamp, one source goes back on this detail in a related video segment, changing the area where Griffin was found from a swamp to a wooded area and revoking all mention of the rescuers wading into a swamp. This highlights the problem with researching some of these stories because the available information might be inaccessible, or uncorroborated leaving people to speculate or make stretched connections between the data. That's not even getting into the fault of memory, which may change over time.
@@fuzzymeep I think you're talking about a different two year old
This type of stuff happens all the time in Appalachia, and hardly any of it's documented
Same here in the Ozarks. People just fall into cave systems and no one is surprised.
MY BOI BROOGLI BACKROOMS HIMSELF
i never want to go to a national park again after this
Maybe it's the wendigo that gets them
Yeah, Appalachia is wild. People disappear all the time. It’s the cave systems, probably. Freaky as shit though
Maybe its just me, but outside of forest or the sea, its open fields that scare me the most. Anyone who grew up in a plains state or agriculture state on a farm, knows the tiring hopeless feeling of running on a field, or just driving alone on the highway surrounded by a field of nothing at night. Its something about the hopelessness of you cant hide and running will get you nowhere that scares me so much. I have ran miles on a empty corn field and am familiar with how tired you get and how hopeless you feel cause no matter how far you run everything around you is just emptiness, and the thought that something could be stalking you from the surrounding timber or watching you drive with no place to hide or run to is horrifying.
yes! i feel this way about the ocean but also just very very open places like huge plains ! i wish there was a name for ut
Na just run faster
damn you must hate minecraft on superflat
Exactly why i started riding my bicycle at night, totally keeps you motivated if you have a free imagination
@@sharanski Agoraphobia is the fear of open spaces or places where there is no escape
22:00 dude was fighting for survival and put his trash in his backpack instead of littering
what a G
I've heard of the phenomenon called the 'call of the sea' that cause people to fall over board of ships, is there a similar one for the 'call of the wild'? Where so many experienced hikers and hunters suddenly get the feeling of 'I don't want to leave' and so they just wander and sadly die as they're so unprepared for that sort of thing.
I'd imagine the call of the sea/void could be a blanket term for things like that.
(l’appel du vide) or known as Call of the void is the feeling of wanting to jump from a great height so I think for the wild it would be breath of the wild cause all in one breathe we could take in nature unlike jumping to ones demise your forced that last breath
To be honest I thought about life seems so much simpler out there but I like showers too much 😅
I lived up in the mountains, surrounded by forest. I often had that urge as a kid. I went for strolls all the time in the wilderness surrounding my house, and I wanted to keep going and going. But I'd start feeling sick before I could even leave sight of my house, so I'd turn back. But if I'd been healthy enough, I would have crossed the river on the other side of the well traveled road, and gone for miles.
I could absolutely see someone who has the fortitude or arrogance to carry that out doing so.
I can't tell you how much I would daydream about it.
@@d5morgan HAH. Breath of the wild. Unintentional Zelda reference
I’ll be honest. My dad is a hunting guide. Is in the woods probably more than someone should be. He often talks about how when he’s out there for 2-3 days alone. He sometimes doesn’t want to come back. He feels an urge to just keep going deeper. But knows once you dive you can come back up.
There is a story of a guy that just snapped and ran away and lived in the woods for YEARS and nobody knows why he did it
@@leasagna2202 Ted Kaczynski?
@@N19N90N9 lmbo, we know why with Ted
Absolutely understand that feeling, just wanna see the other side of the ridge, then the next, and the next.
@@leasagna2202Christopher Knight?
Man, I could not imagine the pain Garret's dad is going through. Everyday he Probably relives watching his son walk off and thinks "If I had just walked with him for 10 minutes". I would torture myself with the "if only", I can't even begin to understand his pain.
His dad probably killed him, so....
@@nadavegan
But why no one ever found his body?
@@emiliosalazar9962 there are lots of reasons. Wilderness search is really really hard, and there are lots of places that are difficult to get to, weather makes things more difficult, and searchers can be misled (like, for example, placing a sock in a boulder field). Think about how long it takes people to find their missing keys sometimes in their own homes.
In this case, sure, the kid could just have gone missing. But the whole story seems fishy to me. Kid gets his shoe wet and asks to go back and change it? No boy I have ever known would even care if they got their leg wet, only the adult would care. This sounds like a story made up to satisfy adult inquiry. And there was only a 50 foot spot where the boy would be out of sight? It doesn't make sense.
What does make sense is that dad either intentionally or accidentally killed the kid, stashed the body before anyone could find out, and misled the search from the start.
@@nadavegan
It seems extremely unlikely that he would have been able to dispose of the body leaving no clues behind. Him being taken by a serial killer seems more likely
@@emiliosalazar9962 it's way too remote. How would a serial killer get in and out? And how would one have known exactly where and when to grab someone within the boundaries of a camp property? It is more likely that dad found a place a couple miles from camp, stashed a body, and misled the search.
Someone I know was running a marathon, people doing this marathon often push themselves to a point of exhaustion and start to hallucinate, there’s literally a best hallucination prize
Anyways my friend was running and was so tired and she looked off the trail and saw the checkpoint vehicle off trail in the woods, she said it looked so so real, luckily her friends were with her and pulled her back, and when she went to look at it again it was gone. Crazy how your brain can do that, it’s freaky to imagine that if she was on her own she may have just ran into the woods and gotten lost because her brain was playing tricks on her
One of the guys who won the award for best hallucination was doing the biking portion, he kept seeing logs fallen across the road and would stop for them, only to realize he was hallucinating, he had to override his brain and just ride through them, but then there actually was a log and he hit it full force. Pretty sure he was fine but the mind is a powerful thing
Maybe his intuition knew and was warning him about the actual log
Ugh these get me. When it’s just “parts” that remain, that spooks me the most.
Tangentially, I wasn’t ready to find out Wendigoon’s real name. It’s like finding out your dad’s legal name isn’t “Dad”. 😭😭😂
I know the handing it back to Isaiah really caught me off guard
And yet, his name fits him perfectly somehow.
@@irishalchemy nah i expected it to be something like jacob
@@mystixkix I expected it to be Jacob too 😂
Isaiah fits him perfectly Imo
Decomposition specialist here with some tidbits for reference:
Finding socks with bones in them and no other remains is very common.
Body scatter/breakdown happens very easily. It is a natural part of the decomposition process and is part of the Decomposition Scoring System (DSS) when determining how far along a body has decomposed.
Looking over your own body, you can actually see/predict which parts of you will fall off first.
On average, major sliding joints (wrists/ankles, atlas/skull) break down fastest and pop off very easily. These are the pieces we see removed first and tend to have the longest time to travel from the body. Second come the hinge joints (knees/elbows) and third are the ball/socket joints (Shoulders/hips). BUT, if the body has old injuries, new injuries, or other damage, the most damaged section will separate first (a dislocated shoulder will fall off before the elbow unhinges, etc). Delicate bones (finger/toes, individual skull bones/unfused bone plates) are more likely to scatter and fall apart than sturdy bone (femurs, humeri, etc).
If you're wearing clothes, this also effects how things break off/how they will stay together. In forensics, foot coverings create their own preservation bias. Shoes, socks, and gloves keep smaller bones together and prevent them from traveling as far. If that clothing item is found, it will likely still contain the bones/tissues inside and in articulation even after the ankle has broken down and the foot fallen off the body (look into the feet in shoes washing up on Vancouver Island, B.C. in 2016 if you want an example).
So, in all honesty, someone's foot showing up still inside its sock? Not unheard of and not very strange at all.
But like.. literally ever other part of that story was strange lol and I'm sure there were forensic scientists that knew all this information as well. And still couldn't put together a cohesive explanation on what happened. So yeah that might be common but nothing else about this was.
@@kamehousevalet Never said the rest wasn't weird, haha. But finding bones wrapped in socks is not weird. He emphasized how odd that was twice in this video, so I thought I'd comment just regarding that particular thing. People vanishing is always strange. Large gaps between traceable locations over vast territory? Sort of odd but not uncommon. People vanishing with no trace? Always odd. Body parts showing up still in their original clothing? Not odd. Of all the strange and bizarre things to focus on in these stories, scattered body parts and bones in socks is not it. That is the one thing we have solid explanations for, lol.
@@1pandamanypanda i feel like he was emphasizing the fact that his remains were scattered so paradoxical undressing could not explain this and why he would take off his shirt and just leave his pants + socks on
@@1pandamanypanda never said the rest wasn’t weird. But you spent paragraphs explaining socks and feet bones 🤤
@@bigpoppabones3055 Well when I summarize it in only two or three sentences, I'm often told that I know nothing about what I'm talking about by others on this platform. Forgive me for being thorough.
I remember that the map for the 411 in Appalachia almost exactly matches the map for the explored limestone caves. Limestone is a very soft rock that can fall in all at once after years of erosion. It's documented that hollows form in the ground under mats of plants that can't be seen until they're disturbed. Ergo, a good theory for the 411 in Appalachia is that a good majority of those people literally fell into the earth, never to be seen again, because they were hiking where they shouldn't.
Well they should explore them again for evidence
Dave paulides has a youtube channel called "missing canam" as in canadian american. Just an fyi
I live in SWVA and its a huge problem here. Look up Castlewood High School cave. My high school was built on a cave that is miles long. A subdivision 4 miles as the crow flies behind the school had a swimming pool fall into the cave. It absolutely nuts.
I saw a map of underground tunnels built by the government that matches where all the people went missing.
@@perc3136could you please send it
I'm not an experienced hiker, but I briefly lived in the boonies and there was a small forest area. Very small. I stayed out until it was so dark I couldn't see my way without a flashlight, but I was confident I knew where I was going. Somehow, without changing direction I wound up crossing the same trench several times always from the same direction. I eventually could see the light of my landlords house and followed it, but the experience of getting lost in such a small space seemingly unable to escape an abyss still haunts me.
It’s human nature to continuously walk in a very very large circle when lost. It’s typically your dominant side. So for me it’d be walking left. You subconsciously decide “let try taking a right here” or “let’s walk to the right of this tree”. Next thing you know you end up stuck being lost from simply walking in circles.
Its actualy extremely common to start walking in a circle, you can see it if you blind fold yourself and attempt to walk straight, youll just curve in and circle
I’m right handed but if always been more comfortable rotating to my left, so when I walk, ride a bike, rollerblade, and probably when I start driving, I pull to the left. I could easily see myself just walking in a big circle, or at least a curve if I was lost. Luckily I’ve never been lost other than one time in Disney, and I just sat down on a bench nearby cus I knew where I was, and sure enough my parents found me in like 5 minutes.
There's a trope called the lost woods. It's typically associated with video games like legend of zelda. I played it as a kid and still do. Been hunting public land solo in the extreme deep south for almost a decade now. I found this really incredible spot that appeared to be untouched by humans. It was a 6inch deep mirror still swamp with a sort of beach with tons of game. It was in the middle of a coastal savannah with dense pine trees encircling it. Took me 2 days of failed attempts to find it and I had to wander the woods 4hrs to find it. Kept going back to the same spots over and over before I found it. Always thought it was just a fun game puzzle but got to experience it first hand and understand where the trope came from. Thought it was paranormal until I found it. Put my trail cam there and hopefully I can find it again in a month or 2.
Missing 411 is the perfect example of "sometimes shit just doesn't make sense" we're all so quick to come up with rational explanation to things but sometimes there are things out there that no matter how much rational thought you give it, it'll just end up confusing you more
I too, fall into the conundrum of whether I should accept something as an unsolvable mystery, or come up with a rational way to say that an explosion did it
@@emenova3553 so I’m not the only one
Sometimes, the most rational explanation is “nature happened.”
This is the most infuriating conspiracy theory to me, it’s like “sometimes disappearances in national parks are mysterious” like OF COURSE they are. These are massive swaths of untouched land with huge numbers of visitors. It goes without saying that there are gonna be disappearances.
A lot of these are easily explained, though.
we just dont have the rational explanation yet
As someone who grew up rather close to the ocean in socal, I was just waiting for a piece of seaweed to creep up on you and brush against your feet. That feeling you get before you realize its seaweed is one of the worst. And for the same reasons you like the forests, I like the ocean. You're a part of something big and beautiful and alive! Also, the ocean at night is beautiful. If you're at a more remote beach, you'll get to see that beautiful pitch black ocean stretch out all the way to the horizon with just a sliver of moonlight reflected on the water. Imagine all the stories those deep dark depths hold that will never see light or the land...
Not to mention, some parts of the year, there is bioluminecent algae to look at. Cool af at night. Def be careful and take a friend. Strange roamers go out on the shoreline....
Nothing like gazing out to the Pacific at 3am on a moonless night.
You hope it's seeweed, but you fear it's jellyfish. Even if there aren't any dangerous ones around, that sudden touch launches that primal instinct.
I've poked plenty of them, but if one suddenly bumps into me, yeah...
I love that Aidan does in fact harass government officials for info. That is definitely something I expected from him but hearing it confirmed is hilarious.
You two also make such a good duo I love it.
hearing that it's like "yeah, that's definitely Aidan 😂"
@our hero Shut up bot
Harass underpaid workers to get more info on a conspiracy theory. Very cool and normal
@@AndreaCremoni it is literally the job of a PR person to respond to the media
He’s just following the Missing 411 author, Dave Paulides’ example
What you said at the end is so true. I moved to a swampy area. And there’s this feeling when you are 5 miles in. It’s like every molecule is vibrating in frequency around you, everything is alive. And you suddenly realize you are at the will of this amazing environment. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were undiscovered things here. I think that every time I am out there. That theres no way we have found everything. And maybe theres some things that are very good at staying un-found
There is a consept in Finnish mythology called "metsänpeitto" where a person can become enchanted by the forest and become lost even in the most familiar home woods. Basically you are transported into a near dimension of the fey and you might become invisible even to people near you who are trying to find you. There are some spells to get away from this state if you are in it but you can also try turning all your clothes inside out :D
Sounds like the "Oz effect'
What are some of the spells? Asking for a friend…
@@spacemountainvanity Useless if you don't know how to sing old poetic Finnish :D But the correct spell is not the important thing in old Finnish folk magic anyway. More important is the "väki" or strength of the spelcaster. So you can make your own. Start the spell maybe by asking help from the "golden forest king" (Tapio), then plead the forest for release and maybe promise a gift of gold or silver in return for added effect. Boost your "väki" by shamanic chanting or drinking beer made in a vessel dedicated to the sky god for example. Oh, and you have to sing the spell of course. And it needs to be a poem. The promised gift is then (after release) put for example in to a spring in the forest.
There is something culturally similar with us in terms of turning clothes inside out. In our culture, it is said that if you are lost in a forest with yourself seemingly going in a loop, your clothes should be turned inside out to find your way back
That’s so interesting, in many Latin American countries there is a belief that kids clothes worn backwards can keep them safe from being taken into the woods/forest by duendes
Something to keep in mind:
No matter how experienced of a hiker you are, no matter how familiar you are with where you are exploring, if you go alone, your chances of survival are much lower than with a companion. People are never infallible, and taking your knowledge of an area for granted can lead to careless mistakes.
Even though simple negligence might sound like an underwhelming explanation for some of the hikers that have gone missing in these stories, it's likely a contributing factor.
PURE BULLSHIT!
also if you are lost dont move
I am a complete city slicker with 0 hiking experience.
Long story short, my friends wedding was in a remote part of the Colorado mountains. No cell signal.
My ride there fell through.
Being an idiot, I realized if I immediately began hiking through the mountains I could make it just in time to get to my friends after party. My friends mean the world to me, and I felt an immense amount of shame even considering missing a wedding of all things due to "danger".
So I hiked 17 miles through the mountains with no one knowing where I was, no experience, 8 beers and a loaf of bread to eat, and a cell phone with 75% charge.
By the grace of God I somehow made it. The last 3 miles I had to hike by memory of the map as my cell was dead and it was night time.
While it's a good story kinda, I don't know if I've ever done anything dumber than what I did that night.
The party was amazed to see me when I stumbled in wet, in pain, but happy to see one of my best friends on her wedding night.
I am SOOOOOO happy you're finally covering this! At last! And a series too!
You won't be disappointed; it's vast in scope and equally if not more so as intriguing; the more you get into it and the more associated M411 lore you learn and the deeper the rabbit hole goes it's equal parts baffling and fascinating.
2 profile points not mentioned by Aidan are:
Weather event - often at the time of disappearance a sudden and extreme weather event like a whiteout snowstorm or rainstorm or extremely high winds will occur making the search much more difficult (and in fact searching helicopters have crashed due to this, ending yet more lives)
Found in area previously searched - often searches will go on for days, weeks even and then the victim will be found (dead or alive) in an area that was searched multiple times. It being highly, highly unlikely/ impossible they just missed them there all those other times it's as if the person/ body was placed there later to say 'look, here I am, you can stop your search now'
As mentioned in the Garrett Bardsley case the speed of the disappearances is sometimes just ridiculous. Parents will often say 'I turned around and they were gone'. As in they vanished too quickly to have done it on their own. They also don't respond to calls, even though they must be near enough to hear them.
You talking about the power and mystique of the forest and the myths and legends surrounding it is not lost on me. These stories come from somewhere and have a grain of truth to them. Whatever is doing this, it seems has been doing it for a very long time indeed. In fact it's been said that the 'national parks' and other such areas were actually in fact created in the first place to contain/ hide whatever is doing this... the government won't admit to what it can't control.
Having had my own experience this subject interests me to no end. I've studied it for years and am no closer to finding a rational explanation, though I have thoroughly explored potential ones it could be (to no avail) and partly as a result of my own investigations and partly as a result of my conversations with David (Paulides) found that they are ultimately impossible to be the answer.
In fact many of the brightest minds have put forward their theories, and David has shot down every single one in fact I think it's something of a chore for him now to say - ok that's interesting but what about this, this completely disproves your theory. If the guy that wrote a dozen books and made 3 movies and hundreds of youtube videos in an effort spanning over 10 years doesn't have an answer (that he's telling us at least) then I think it's safe to say it's either being covered up, or is so far beyond human understanding that we may not understand it even if they explained it to us. I may be something ancient, it may be otherworldly, it may even be worldly and just secretive, but it's no doubt dark, and clearly, beyond our comprehension at least at this point right now, or we would have an answer to it. People don't just disappear especially under these circumstances, are never found or are found dead or with no memory, randomly for no reason.
Just on a side note DP can't change his own wikipedia and is the subject of some kind of smear campaign, which kind of says a lot. As Aidan was saying it's extremely hard to get info from the park service/ authorities in general.
One more thing this isn't just a North America thing it's been documented in many other countries (the UK, Australia, and more)
Great idea by the way Wendi to go on location to some of the cases! DP has done that himself, but he's just one guy. You doing so will no doubt spread awareness and that can only be a good thing for the families of the victims
Notable cases: Dennis Martin
Danny Filipidis
Steven Kubacki
Brandon Swanson
Jaryd Atadero
Alfred Beilhartz
If you need any more info, I'm right here, you know where to find me.
PCE
There’s a case that happened recently in Australia that really rings all the similar bells. A boy from putty NSW went missing suddenly from his property in 2021. His grandmother stated that she couldn’t have taken her eyes off of him for a few seconds at most. They had a 3000+ man team combing the bush for him for 5 or so days. Then they found him by the creek not 50 meters from the homestead. He was in perfect health and there wasn’t even dirt on his clothes. After the incident his mum says he has no recollection of the missing 5 days
mjeah and nobody can back it up. Especially the clothes thing
The fuck type of name is Putty?
@@SCIFIguy64 probably a son of an old-school computer guy
@@bogdanmazur6312 ssh is a young buck game too
@@SCIFIguy64 Putty is the city name
I was once compelled to walk into the woods two neighborhoods over in the absolute middle of the night with nothing but my cellphone light. It was the most terrifying thing I've ever done, and I don't remember the entire short walk. I still have no clue why it happened and I hate the memory of it, it causes me genuine dread, anxiety, and deep regret yet I have no clue why.
You got probed for sure.
Demons, same thing as sleep paralysis and nightterrors.
Try to think about cute little puppies instead 😊
You were a kid with curiosity and fascination of the terrifying unknown.
you get used to it
Growing up in the Appalachian mountains of North Carolina there’s tons of Native American legends/ folklore that lay in those mountains. Such as dull lights that appear in a mountain near the Cherokee reservation. But when you walk up to where the lights are supposed to be you find yourself deep in the woods in the middle of nowhere.
If you’re referring to the brown mountain lights, I don’t think anyone would try to hike up the mountain to see them up close. Hiking up a mountain without trails is harder than people think, and that area is especially treacherous. It’s rare that the lights occur, and there’s an overlook off a main road that’s a pretty popular tourist attraction. I do have to say though that the brown mountain lights are pretty cool. If never seen them for myself, but the legend is that a farmer went missing on the mountain and his slaves went looking for him, and the lights are the lanterns of the ghosts of the slaves that still wander there every now and then.
North Carolina has some of the coolest and most interesting folk lore and mythos. I'm on the Outer Banks side and I love all the coastal folklore through and through. It's enchanting to be honest. After you spend a weekend camping in the fog off Cape Lookout, or boat through the deep wooded rivers, you can easily get caught up in the tales. Things like the Flaming Ship of Ocracoke and other stories like that always interested me as a child. NC has some of the most unique folklore around the whole state. I love it
Man, somebody should make a video about the Brown Mountain lights. Like a spooky campfire story!
@@noahhamilton9004 .... welp lol
I wouldnt be surprised if brown mountain lights are ball lightning in the forest. Not much is known about ball lightning, but it does seem to be related to local geology, particularly silicon (this was potentially confirmed when lightning research team accidently captured a spectroscopic image of ball lightning, allowing them to get clues as to what its made out of).
If this theory is true, someone could set up at the overlook every night with a telephoto and spectrascope setup, and try to nail a picture of the spectra generated off the glow in the forest. If it has high energized silicon content, that would be decent evidence that the brown mountain lights are ball lightning.
theres actually a reason for why experts (or ppl who are accustomed to something) tend to die in their field of expertise. It is because they are so accustomed to it, they often do not recognize the severity of a dangerous situation (they essentially lose the fear factor) because thats just another day for them. For example professional free-divers can die while diving because they have trained their body to tolerate the lack of oxygen so much that their brain doesn't register when it is at a fatally low level.
That's quite ironical.
literally not true
@@SobeCrunkMonster IT goes for anything in your life. You may climb ladders every day for work to where you forget that you could fall. Even driving - we drive our cars every day and forget that in one second, someone can hit you head on and kill you. It's why people text and drive or dont pay attention like they should. Comfort is not always a good thing.
@@SobeCrunkMonster It is. Another example is jump instructors that teach people for sky diving. There are several accounts of very experienced, very well trained instructors being so calm while hurtling down at terminal velocity, they forgot to pull their chutes or waited too long. The one I've heard about the most died because he was taking pictures well below the minimum altitude to pull his chute. He had a chute failure and there wasn't enough time for him to try his reserve.
Complacency with procedure and overconfidence is VERY deadly in any situation.
Moral of all these stories is: Dont go off the trail, the environment around you change completely by "taking shortcuts" or what not, and that is what leads people to die.
Especially not shortcuts to car.
it happends on trail too it really doesnt matter youre just unlucky when it happends
Last time I was out properly hunting, and took a "shortcut", got lost and wondered for 3-4 miles through the wilderness at midnight. Most terrifying night of my life.
@@SStupendous Omg I bet! I'm glad you made it home.🙏🏻
As a child, in rural Michigan, USA
I would happily play all day in the pine forest behind my home with no fear whatsoever
Nowadays I'm drawn to yet cautious by the forest.
A few times I've taken hikes with not another soul around me but in many instances, I feel as though I'm being followed or watched. Once I couldn't shake that uneasiness so, I RAN back home.
There's more to these cases.
I'm not sure how, who, why or what but I believe these entities aren't anything "nice"
Be well, stay vigilant.
@@LynnAgain83 There is that strange feeling sometime, when you're being watched. And it's likely because at least someone is - in the form of a bird, rodent or other such creature.
Thanks for your kind words, and sharing your own experiences with this sort of thing.
About the main bit of your comment, yeah - agreed. I would think I was more afraid of the wilderness in my past, but perhaps not - I was more of an outdoors person then. I don't know why I'm more afraid as time goes by. After seeing many of these verifiably true Missing 411 incidents, it's just chilling how similar it seemed to the expeditions I took with friends, even in similar locations, like CO and MN. In te case I mentioned, the 'scariest night of my life', that was 2016, Northern MN. We planned to meet at another friend's place, by a river, and we planned to go down this river to get there. At some point, as we came to fork after fork in the river, beding and going into different directions, we made the plan to split up, half on land and half canoeing. I was with the canoers. Not the best idea; At some point, the further they went, the less contact we had, no electrical commswere working. We were alone now. Had been night for hours. Eventually we got to the place , over 4 miles away, the original land-faring group coming a bit later (Some of the others went back to go and find them, and found them.) Mind you when you're rowing and having to get out of the boat each time it gets stuck in pitch-black, 3-4 miles really does feel far.
It all seems quite simple, but actually being there, hearing the things we heard out there, and the whole experience of actually being lost, knowing most real civilization and people were many, many miles away was terrifying. It felt far, far longer than it really was. Contrary to what some may think, the fact I was with a few others really didn't make it any less terrifying still. Like most people I've had many sharp moments or points of fear, usually wearing off soon enough. But this feeling of fear, I've never felt since, felt like the most intense fear, and yet it lasted for hours on end. Again, looking back, the whole thing feels just like a textbook example of the warm-up for one of these incidents. Just so glad it went well.
If I'm going to Hell, it won't be fire. It will be that trip again.
I once went missing as a young child. Watching this video I realize that I fit a lot of criterias for a missing 411 case, such as: goes missing and is found in an illogical condition and doesn’t remember how they got there. My case was never reported as I had disappeared before, but this time was different. Instead of finding me within 20-30 minutes behind the shed, in a tree or somewhere else, I was found 5 hours later in a bush, in a secluded part of the park. I was 6 and despite being a good climber and a tall kid, there was no way I could have escaped my yard, the fence was too straight, too upright for a kid to climb.
I remember being confused as to why I was in a bush, as I remember being in my yard not too long ago. I remember climbing out and seeing my mother frantically yelling for me and her horror did not register in my brain, so I waved at her and called out to her.
I saw how she looked at me, even if she was far away, at the bottom of the hill, I could see the sorrow in her eyes. I felt confused, I had never seen my mother so scared before, then it registered that it was night and that I was at the park, which meant that she had probably been looking for me.
It was terrifying, in that moment. It was as if I could understand things like an adult, as if I wasn’t a child anymore, but I was so small in something so great and so horrifying it left me dizzy.
I wanted to go home, wanted to flee the bush, I felt as if I had been robbed of a piece of my memory.
I know when I was 5-6 I’d wander into our fields. Sometimes for quite a ways. My parents didn’t even realize how long I was gone for but a few hours wasn’t uncommon. It always felt like 30 minutes to me but I’d be miles away.
I’m confused, you were just playing in the yard and you just appeared in a bush? Were you sleeping? How far away is your house from the park? Like you were just playing in the yard, and then you appeared in a bush 5 hours later… makes no sense
@@jackiefriday636He doesn’t know how he ended up in the bush - that’s the whole point of these missing 411 cases - they have an unexplainable element to them.
I know circumstances aren't really comparable, but it's crazy how scientists managed to puzzle out a clearer idea of Otzi the Ice Man's last hike than seemingly less perilous trips only decades ago.
They probably could if they wanted to, but for most of these cases the answer isn't interesting enough.
I know as someone who frequently goes to national parks I tend to tune out as soon as I hear "He went off on his own". Dumbest thing you could do right there lol.
Always listen to your gut, especially if you're out in the middle of nowhere like many of these cases are located. I've been on hikes or camping trips way out in the woods, and have had moments where I have felt like something isn't right, and got the hell out of there. It could be overreacting, but it could also save your life, better safe than sorry.
Yessir! Same here in the Ozarks
One time I got in minor trouble for discharging my firearm in a national park. I was going to take a piss and noticed that only every other footstep seemed to echo. I called out a warning once, and it continued. I then stopped, got paranoid, and discharged a 9mm into the ground, and nothing. I then took a few more steps, heard it still, then stopped and turned around leveling my sidearm towards the echo direction, and only then heard something bolt like it didn't even have to avoid trees on its way out. I've never been able to think of a single animal that wouldn't flinch at a warning shot, but would know to avoid me taking aim towards it.
Bro why do I see you everywhere ?? you're on every iceberg/creepy videos 🤣
@@neel.KAITH2005 because im a creepy person
@@fleabaguette9699 same tbh
One thing to keep in mind about cases like these is that experienced people are not infallible. I see a lot of people say "well he was an expert hiker he wouldn't have made a mistake like that". There's plenty of cases of experienced people who get lost, and when they're found and asked what happened, they say "well I thought I could do this but turns out I couldn't". There's tons of people who get cocky and think that just because they're experienced at something, they can do anything.
Reminds me of that post "Remember no master is infallible, you've had your tongue for your whole life and yet you bite it by accident"
for every experienced outdoorsman who goes missing, there are 10,000that never have an issue.or is your theory everybody is an idiot and gets themselves killed?
@@GrandpasRevenge43 no the idea is that the idiots or cocky experienced hikers are the ones who go missing in 411 cases
@@GrandpasRevenge43 You dont hear about 10,000 expert making mistake is because they survived and it's not news worthy.
true but that guy was in an area he knew so well he had built checkpoints around the trail in case something like that ever happens
when i was a teenager, i went camping in South Dakota with family. when everyone went into their tents for the night, i sat outside to stargaze. it was very populated, lots of other campers around us. but it was pitch black, the only lights i could see was the massive sky of stars above me and the full moon. after awhile, your eyes adjust to the lighting around you, and i could make out more of my surroundings.
across our campsite was a very thick forest that climbed up to the mountains and towered above us. a small creek was the only thing separating us from it. i started hearing splashing. i thought it was quite peaceful, until it started getting heavier and closer. i’m thinking an animal, obviously, or maybe some fish. i held my breath and listened, and the splashing slowly turned into the sound of something reaching land. the creek is directly next to our camp. being a teenager, i was hoping to see a deer or something, but when i walked to the edge of the creek, squinting my eyes in the dark, my stomach dropped and i froze.
SOMEONE was there. it wasn’t an animal, it was standing upright and looked like a person. i couldn’t see their face but they were very tall. someone is night fishing obviously, i’m rationalizing. i said, “oh my gosh! you totally scared me, i thought you were a bear or something!” silence. i waited for them to say something but all i heard was the crunching of grass. whatever or whoever was there, was climbing up out of the water. i started to back away slowly towards my tent, still not sure if it was a person or if it was an animal. i called out for my uncle and told him to get the gun, i think there’s a bear out here. i heard him fumbling around in his tent, but i also heard a big splash. i ran back to the edge of the creek.
it’s dark, but the moonlight illuminated the opposite side of the campgrounds, where i saw the UNMISTAKABLE figure of a tall human standing in the darkness, facing our direction. when my uncle got out of his tent, i frantically tried to get him to see the man who was now RUNNING into the forest but because his eyes hadn’t adjusted to the dark, he didn’t see anything and told me to go to bed. i told my family in the morning but because i was a teenager, no one believed me, but i still vividly remember that event to this day and still wonder what would have happened if i didn’t get my uncle to come outside.
Was it in the black hills?
oh jesus
You said there were lots of campers around. Did they also see what you saw?
That’s a Bigfoot man
Skin walker
I don’t think this gets mentioned enough, but out of a lot of RUclipsrs I watch, Wendigoon always is crystal clear about thanking us before each and every video for watching. Doesn’t sound like much, but that is a main reason why I always tune in, feels like a true community. Something I’m proud to be apart of. Thanks for the great upload per usual.
I love his comment sections because they always feel like a part of the conversation and an extension of the video even
I also enjoy nexpo and mr ballen
The only thing I dislike - I paid for RUclips premium to skip ads and still have to listen to them every episode.
@Steve Martz my thoughts exactly! I just love how he always thanks BEFORE he starts explaining than after, it makes you feel good for being there and listening, and you can see he's excited to be talking about these things as well
We give him money and he says thanks
Him and barley sociable
Actually incredible how much quality content your putting at such a high rate, keep up the videos!
Dude, you just had to mistreat Ani, smh my head
And please Mr. Wendi, take breaks so you don't get burnt out.
Gonk
greetings
@YeaMan well you can’t spell page right so idk also he doesn’t do music so wtf you taking about
For the kids talking about cat scratches: my guess is that they got dragged out by a cougar/bear/wolf for whatever reason and was too young to understand what happened… I also think for Aaron Hedges, he maybe had a mini stroke or aneurism that didn’t kill him immediately but made him confused and wander around until the brain trauma or exposure finally killed him
Oooh both of those theories make sense. Good thinking
those theories sound good, but also i thought they mentioned that there were footsteps from the kid? (unless the footsteps are from said cougar/bear/wolf)
yes and that explains how he could have covered so much ground. if ur being dragged or picked up by a fast large animal...
I think Aaron Hedges was on a scouting trip and was accidentally killed by a poacher or landowner, and his friends didn't want to make themselves look suspicious.
For aaron - I think what makes this case so confusing is the certainty in him being in multiple locations, which is a bad assumption. Here’s why:
Gps saying he went 6 miles in the wrong direction - this seems obvious, and makes the least sense. Gps signal was obviously very spotty here, so the potential for a bad GPS packet to be received are pretty high. Maybe one of the 1s and 0s is flipped, pushing his location 10 miles away. If only 1 packet is received (or if an incomplete packet is) the odds of this are very high
Backpack strap, and boots found near makeshift campfire - what are the odds that someone has the same boots and backpack straps as him? Probably very high. Someone (not aaron) tries to light fire to dry their wet boots, can’t, decides to leave them behind and use their spare, pick em up on the way back. Alternatively - this could be someone who found his cache of extra supplies and decided to help themselves to his spare boots/pack
Then you just have him up the hill from the ranch, and then we’re 1 wild animal, avalanche, fall, or other miscellaneous injury from a reasonable death
For me the situation with the feet remains in jeans is pretty simple - frostbite. I've often heard of cases when people started feeling warming up during extremely cold weather, while their body parts that have already been destroyed by frostbite felt ok to them. Looots of stories when people heard squelching in their boots, felt warm and thought it's do warm that they're sweating, when in reality it was their skin and blood. Probably something like this has happened in this case. Frostbite, feeling fake warmth and undressing, leaving his feet remains in his socks, that could've simply freeze glued themselves to his jeans. I'm not a pro, it's just such a commonly heard thing for me that I didn't even find it mysterious whatsoever
That turned out to not ge true, or at least there's no evidence of it.
I was just thinking he died leaning up against the tree and an animal drag part of him away and was found later.
The paranoia makes a lot of sense. I was hiking alone in California and felt like something was following me. I don't know whether or not I was but in that moment I was fully convinced that a bobcat was stalking me. Perhaps some of the people in this video had similar experiences and that explains their erratic behavior.
Interestingly, a lot of people actually are getting stalked by animals in those parks, most just don't notice bc they're really good at it
California native here, may I ask what part
Never EVER go into the wilderness with out a partner I CAN NOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH most or all of the cases happen when people are alone
Satalite phone, emergency signal (gps tracking), couple days worth of water at your car/fallback shelter.
And don't forget a firearm.
@@Raccon_Detective. yeah forgot that aswell
While it is a good idea, people have vanished after just leaving their partner(s) for just a few seconds. Better to just stay away from sus areas, partner or not.
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That's why you need weapons in the wild.
So basically, don’t go out in the woods alone and keep your kids within sight at all times
(Also for the kid who was scared by cows, did he encounter a group of bison? It’s possible that the kid didn’t know what a bison was due to his age and assumed it was a cow since they are brown, vaguely cow shaped and have horns)
Other comments have said they think he may have been attacked by a mountain lion. Maybe he thought that was a cow or something? Idk
Bison in a swamp though?
@@nolin7657 Moose would make the most sense. They’re huge and look like weird cows, and that also explains the swamp part of it too.
How the heck was he all dry and the middle of a pond.
maybe but how was he dry clinging to a tree surrounded by water unable to explain how he got there past his fear of the "cows"?
Growing up is realizing a lot of the cases aren’t supernatural forces but people that are genuinely wicked enough to do such things. The children going missing when there’s a lot of people around always makes me sad
There are so many unmarked mine shafts, cave entrances, and abandoned wells out there that I don’t think it’s always so mysterious when people seemingly vanish. I almost walked right into an unmarked well myself once while hiking - it’s a very real danger. National parks are wild/semi-wild, so they’re dangerous places. Again, not really so mysterious that people go missing in them.
Good theory! I used to live in West Virginia, and I knew parents who would make their children take whistles or noisemakers with them into the woods, and they would have to signal every 10 minutes or so, to make sure the child hadn't fallen down an old mine shaft.
Before you go explaining away the work of a trained police investigator, at least look into the facts of the cases that David Paulides researches. The very reason he chooses to cover the cases that he does is because they have unexplainable and bizarre facts about them. So, it's not that they fell into an unmarked well or got lost.
@@ruleaus7664 truth. Several cases involve people who disappear while in a line of hikers. Either they are in front or behind and one moment they are there and the next gone. In one case in Montana, a lady and a friend went hiking. He stopped to take a picture and had his back to her for less than a minute. In that time she vanished, never to be seen again. On a trail, with people passing by, no noise, no shouts, no blood, nothing. Just gone.
@@ruleaus7664 yeah, I'm not buying that they simply “fell into a well”
@@Elijah-Bravo yeah, how do you fall into a well and then appear miles away, dead?
I just find it fascinating how the woods have held such a place of superstition and very real (but sometimes unknown) dangers to us. Even in this modern age, we haven't tamed the wilderness, we've just successfuly removed ourselves, for the most part, from it. There are so many people who are city dwellers and will never experience true rugged terrain. Even on a camping trip, it's possible to simply rent a benign little spot relatively near to other people and amenities. Yet when we do venture into the woods, it can almost instantly transport us back in time, reducing us to our fears and survival skills, truly no further advanced than our ancestors were, and sometimes far less knowledgeable.
I should note, I live in a rural US state, and even I can't say I've ever experienced truly rugged, remote terrain. Nor would I! Lol. I didn't enjoy camping ever, I certainly wouldn't enjoy any kind of isolated survival situation. So it's not to shit on 'city people' being removed from nature, but instead just marveling at how quickly raw wilderness can humble any of us.
@@subliminal-damage I'm from New Zealand and I feel like I had it on easy mode when I did anything outdoors. We have no predators in our forests or mountains, so the only concerns are the weather and the terrain. Getting lost can put you are risk for exposure, but otherwise most parks will see you back to a road after a solid days hike in any direction. It helps that many of the walks are on volcanos so there is always a good view of the surrounding townships, or on ranges, which again, are usually high enough that you can find civilisation again if you find the right spot.
@@D64nz That's awesome
@@subliminal-damage I belong to a group that does something called extreme hiking. We wear nothing but a pair of shorts, no shoes. We bring no gear and carry no supplies. We have a safety team spread out along the trails that provide water only, and they make sure everyone has checked in or has reported in. When sleep is a necessity, we find a spot a short distance from the trail and the ground is our bed.
Here’s where the “extreme” part comes in. We run the entire trail. Most of us average about 20 miles a day… and remember, we are barefoot.
So far I’ve ran the Pacific Crest Trail, the Appalachian Trail, the Continental Divide Trail, and I’m currently in training to run the American Discovery Trail from the Pacific to the Atlantic.
Ummm… Ok, wait a minute. It just hit me that none of this is true - but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
@@D64nzI feel like that sense of safety is a big contributing factor to many hikers deaths here; people leave the path assuming it is safe as long as they don’t go to far and end up getting lost and dying of hypothermia within spitting distance of the track, or assume the climate is mild enough that they don’t have to pack proper warm clothes. People don’t think it will happen to them so they fail to recognise the danger until it is too late.
I can’t imagine losing a loved one this way. Having absolute no explanations must be a torment.
Worse then hell, such a terrible fate
@Hamburger ever heard of a hyperbole?
My father went missing for 18 h, I can't describe how scared I was , he came back home safe and sound but I cry and panic to this day when I think about all that could had happened to him
For real... check out David Paulides' original work on it, which is still on RUclips. It's gut wrenching stuff, these stories. I also feel for Paulides,. whose son committed suicide (") after producing the Missing 411 movie and who has been verbally attacked repeatedly by the Forest Service for trying to access more information. It's an insane story, and Dave is a f'ing hero for working so hard on it all these years. Dave's just a former cop, an investigator who smelled something seriously wrong when some rangers approached him with some of these bizarre stories.
At least you get to tell cool stories lmao
There's "you're screwed," and then there's "you're so screwed we had to invent and entirely new category to describe how screwed you are."
😅
Dude… how does he do this, how does he find so many interesting topics and manage to explain them so well and in such an engaging way, you’re marvelous, massive respect for you
@Kurtis bot
@nøc already on it 👌
@nøc any idea where those links lead to
@nøc I do too lol, I’ve spent the last 10 minutes reporting them on every comment chain lol
Most of it is his delivery, I've heard of most of the things 'Goon talks about long before, but I come here because hes good at telling the stories
I feel like a lot of the cases with kids getting carried off are mountain lions. That one kid even said it was a cat that scratched him up. They hide the animals they kill up in trees, picking up a two year old would be no problem. Same with the guy in the Yukon, it’s totally feasible for a mountain lion to have gotten the jump on him, that’s their entire game. The food in his camp being untouched wouldn’t discount it, a cat wouldn’t care about your trail mix.
I only say this because I was almost ambushed by a juvenile when I was younger. Fortunately it had to cross a gravel driveway to get to me and I heard its footsteps in the gravel, but it got within ten feet of me before I heard it. It ran off when I turned around, but if it had been an adult I doubt I’d be here today. I think most people don’t realize how big they actually are.
This was my first thought too. I've heard stories, like yours, of mountain lions stalking people. The only thing I can think of against this idea is that you'd think if someone got snatched by a mountain lion they'd at least scream and even if it didn't kill them right away, it would have to sink it's teeth or claws into them to carry them away right? So there would be at least some blood and noise.
A mountain lion would do a hell of a lot more than scratch up a 2 year old
@@subject_9875 you’d be surprised. Most big cat attacks aren’t all that bloody. They usually try to kill their prey as fast as possible, preferably by snapping the neck and whatnot.
I'd agree with the toddler probably getting got by a mountain lion. That big ass dude in the Yukon though? No way. He had a gun that he used to take down bears and moose (I think he's sitting with a dead moose in the pic of him.) He tracked siberian tigers down, too. Nah, that guy specifically wouldn't have gotten got by a mountain lion. Unless there was like a pack of them, at least 3 or more, and as far as I know they aren't pack hunters. Now maybe the kids could've gotten killed or drug away by a mountain lion, sure, maybe even some smaller adult women or elderly people, a huge survivalist adult male though... I don't buy that. A bear could get a full grown adult male but then that wouldn't make sense for the Yukon guy...🤷♀️ who knows with him or the other survivalist guy with a gun. Idk
It's not uncommon to see felines playing with their prey for a long time before killing it. A few years ago a video of a lion protecting/taking care of a baby antelope went viral, but it was actually just a feline playing with it's prey. I think the explanation given by a biologist was that felines can look very gentle while playing with their prey, but they always end up eating or killing it.
I'm not an expert and have no experience with mountain lions, but although some details are not well explained I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. A mountain lion playing with it's prey (the kid).
Its so crazy how this channel has blown up over such a short time. i watch these videos religiously whilst playing minecraft and they are literally peak entertainment. like the quality and content r so good keep it up mate
He’s got 25k views in 40 minutes!! That’s the most I’ve ever seen.
Weird reading this whilst I start scrolling through the comments, waiting for my Minecraft crops to grow 😅😅
Some of these cases are pretty freaky. But as far as people going missing out of nowhere, it's hard to overstate how vast these forests and wilderness areas are. They really are very comparable to the ocean in some ways, they can swallow you up and leave little evidence that you ever existed.
Well, here’s a government conspiracy that’s not a conspiracy. Two young teens went hunting at night in the 80s and went missing. They were found beaten up, laid on train tracks, and killed by a freight train. The prosecution says they got high and took a nap on the tracks. Well turns out, there were CIA sponsored cocaine drops going on in the area, and members of the local government were assigned to pick them up. The boys became curious as to what’s falling from the sky and began to follow the plane from the ground. And to conceal the witnesses, members of the local govt including a police officer, beat and killed the boys and laid them on the tracks. Of course the prosecutor “Mr Malik” who was paid by the government, said it was due to the boys’ own recklessness and drug use. This happened in Arkansas, as Bill Clinton was governor. When details began coming out about this case, and people protested against the prosecutor, Bill Clinton gave the prosecutor a raise, citing that he was “overworked and underpaid.” This is the same prosecutor that freed Bill Clinton’s mother who was a nurse after she killed a patient due to incorrect anesthesia administration. About 8 witnesses were mysteriously killed during the case of the two boys. This case isn’t a 411, but it’s good to know that the government has numerous secret projects, bases, etc. in very remote locations. And if anyone stumbles upon their activities, they will kill.
The phenomenon that scares me the most is the strange re-occurring incidents where someone enters a trance-like state and run into the woods. It’s happened a surprising amount of times to people with no history of mental issues. Gives me the chills.
Maybe the shock of being placed in a wild environment where humans once lived before civilization strikes some individuals so hard, some primordial part of the brain goes haywire and just makes them chimp out?
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*chimp out*
I can only think of return to monkey menes, thank you.
It's a very common reaction, feel danger and start to run
@@marcoloaiza8472 Cases, like that of Terrence Woods Jr, makes me feel like there’s something more to it. People saw the guy just up an run into the woods and he was never found.
@@commetsftw catch me going to the woods and entering my "ee oo ah ah" era
It’s so sad that Wendigoon walked into the gas station and was never seen again until his recording set up was found sitting on a rock in the woods 80 miles away and his pc case was filled with bones and the monitor had cat scratches on it.
There is a missing 411 type here in Brasil. Marco Aurélio, a kid that got missing into one of biggest the mountains of Brasil, with no explanation to this day. He got missing in 8 of july of 1985, and nobody knows what happened. There is so, so many stories and conspiracies about what could have possible happened. People say even about aliens. Last year to this year, there was a new story and possibility of what could have happened and his father was again into the local to investigate. Breaks my heart that his father is still wishing for closure to this day, 37 years after.
From everything I've heard about the Marco Aurélio case, it bothers me everyone talks about aliens and not about Juan Céspedes (The leader of the scout boys group), the guy was just way too strange and his actions way out of place. Always thought he killed the boy.
@@NikyCROW He is a suspect on this case yes, but here we really believe that someone else killed him. There was a story some months ago about a broken family that lived in the area, that had a son that was mental. The speculation is that this mental boy killed the other one with a gun that he used to hunt (or something alike, i don't remember now). This story surfaced due to a dying old lady, that was his sister, that "confessed" everything. I don't remember the details, but their father was very violent to them too... and there is other things in this lady's audio that got leaked to the population around here. But I don't know, seems like the authorities on the case discarded this hypotheses, I don't know why. I can only say that everything in this case is so much of a blur.
@@tomboywarrior3229 The story about the guy with mental issues, there was an audio about it right? If it is what I'm thinking about , the police already ruled it out
The fae!
For anyone interested, there is a thorough breakdown of this case in a Reddit thread titled
"A 15 year old boy scout was on a camping trip with three other scouts and their leader when he vanished into thin air. 35 years passed and nothing was ever found. What happened to Marco Aurélio Simon?"
I wonder if some of this (not all of it) is people disappearing intentionally. Someone thinks “this modern life thing is a drag.” Packs some extra boots, stashes some gear, and disappears into the mountains. Certainly doesn’t account for all, but it is an angle on some of them.
The 2 year old in the middle of a pond on a small island basically with a tree, completely dry, 3 miles away is the most baffling to me, especially the cow thing. If there were absolutely no cows in the area, what the hell did he actually see? I think that's my favorite story, because, hey, the kid was entirely fine, so it's kind of funny, completely mysterious, weird as hell, and slightly spooky because of the cow thing.
Someone with a cow mask nabbed him. Think of the Pig mask in Saw Films but its a cow
My first thought was a moose or a few, meese are highly aggressive, and if a little kid didn't know better would mistake them for a deer or a cow. The kid could have been somehow been moved by one of those bastards unharmed. A further theory on this is that moose love swamps and forests.
@@FIATEARTHER101omg u said meese 😂😂😂 that's so cute, I can't stop laughing ☺️🤣
@@FIATEARTHER101The meese theory is very interesting, one I haven't considered before.
@@ShogunMongol it does have holes in it that would require a moose to behave weirdly, but it's not impossible. I've seen and heard of animals doing weirder things.
WAIT WENDIGOON’S NAME IS ISAIAH?
no, it’s Wendi
It's Sir Wendi of Goon
It's his middle name. Wendi Isaiah Goon.
No it's Wendigoon
No, It's John Goon.
imagine what went through the minds of the first settlers to see a grizzly bear or a moose, or even the first sailors to see a whale shark. we are lucky enough to live in a day and age were we already know of the existence of most of the big dangerous things
The only problem I have with this video is how Wendigoon really hammers how unlikely it is for these people to get lost. However, anyone who has done serious camping/hiking knows that no matter how simple a trail might be, the danger of getting lost or hurting yourself is always present so a vast majority of the 411 cases are just people getting very unlucky.
@@callsignjoker2686 Hypothermia can often lead to some bizarre psychosis event where people remove all their clothes despite freezing. It's happened very often that people who died of hypothermia are found with no clothing. That first case they talk about where the kids in freezing several feet of snow and is found with his trousers removed directly follows along with an explanation of hypothermia. Wild animals also often drag corpses around, eating the soft fleshy parts first such as the eyes and stomach.
Yep, I got lost in an area I’d been in multiple times. I was a backpacking guide for a living at the time for Pete’s sake. It can happen so fast.
You are exactly right. I have spent many years camping, hiking, and trail running all over the US. A few years ago, I was hiking in the desert outside Las Vegas, and got off trail. I could see the parking area a few miles distant, so I wasn't worried about getting lost, but I couldn't find the footpath, so I was doing a broken rock scramble cross-country. After a few minutes, a jogger plodded by about 150 ft away, dead in the middle of the trail I had been looking for. The point is, it is really easy to get lost or disoriented, no matter your experience, and once that happens, any little factor can make the situation exponentially worse. Many of these disappearances are not so strange in light of how vast the wilderness really is.
@@callsignjoker2686 Dog tracking is very very hit and miss. Scent can be blown all over the place and pool in areas way off track, leaving tracking animals confused and unable to make heads or tails of it. Scent also does decay, and it will decay at different rates depending on a multitude of things. Nature is an ever changing thing that can and will very quickly delete all evidence of ones presence in some circumstances, while in others evidence can be preseverd so well for so long that it confuses investigators timeline of events. A small area of frost might lead to the preservation of some evidence that is still degrading in other areas.
Many forms of death leave no evidence when all that's found is bones. and missing clothing can be anything from environmental interference (blown away, animals etc) to the person suffering delirium. It's most commonly known in cases of hypothermia, where people will start stripping down instead of trying to keep warm, but someone whose starving or possibly dealing with poisoning from bad water/food and in the process of dying can also suffer from counter intuitive behaviors and the brain and nervous system start to malfunction.
Many of these cases are most likely people who got lost. Some might have had a medical episode causing them to become even more confused. Some may have experienced psychosis due to bad water or food. Some may have sustained injuries that affected there behavior. And there's always the fact that sometimes even the most prepared and trained individual can fall victim to panic. NO ONE is immune to panicking when realizing they are lost. No level of training can 100% guarentee a person will keep their cool when they suddenly find themselves in a survival situation they weren't expecting.
@@callsignjoker2686 I care top explain it. Animals and weather and wind and erosion
I want to add a personal story that might tie into some of these situations.I’m a healthy, strong, 28yr old male that resides in southern Virginia.about 4 years ago I was in a mentally draining relationship, an abusive relationship that tore me apart.after a rough fight I had with my girlfriend I decided to go off into the woods.I have no idea why I chose to do so but I just wanted to disappear.I was not in the right mindset and I wanted to just get away.I decided to go to a local park, park my truck where it could easily be found, I left my keys and my cell phone and walked off into the woods.once again I can’t explain why I chose to do this.something just took control of my mind.I don’t hike, I don’t often explore, I am most definitely a “city guy”.after about a half mile I crossed a few creeks and just found an open area where I just stood.I literally just stood and listened to the woods.I have no idea what I was doing or if I was looking for something but I just kind of looked around and watched nature.after this I continued to walk another half mile or so deeper.at this point I was not scared I was not upset and I had no plans but to walk.the deeper I got into the woods the more it took over my mind.after awhile I stopped and looked around and took a few deep breaths and once again I stood still and listened to nature and the trees around me.I’m being completely honest with you when I say this but I stood there for approximately 2 hours.just staring off into the distance.I’m not sure if I was waiting for something, if I wanted to die, or what.after those few hours it started to get dark and I somehow came to my senses and decided to go back home to my apartment.thankfully my path into the woods was easily traceable for me.
I’m actually in tears right now telling this story and it’s creeping me out but your video made me want to share this story.the human mind is a dangerous thing and sometimes us humans do very very crazy actions.you never know what another person is thinking or what they might do.
Obviously I’m still alive and I made it out safe, but something unexplainable took over me and it could have very easily taken my life.I could have turned into one of these stories and I’m thankful I didn’t.there’s something about Mother Nature that’s willing to take us with no hesitation and I feel like I was a victim to that.once again I’m happy I’m still here.but I am scared about what took place that day now that I look back at it.I hope I never reach that low in my life again.and I can only imagine that some of these people had the same overwhelming, mind tricking moments in their life before it ended.
I’m glad you’re okay!! That sounds terrifying. Seems like your mind went into a dissociative state due to the stress from the abuse. Our brains do many things to protect us, that’s something I’ve experienced as well. Just going on autopilot, and it’s scary as heck to come out of it and realize what just happened. I hope you’ve healed from that time :( thank you for sharing
Glad you made it out okay from both things !
standing still and listening to nature isn't that wierd(tho I'm sure in your case it could've easily become a dangerous situation) nowadays with the constant stimulati we have easy access to at all times we forget centuries ago people would just sit with nothing but themselves and the world they'd be traveling for miles and miles with nothing but animals and fire for a companion and sometimes maybe none.
it's curious that those kinds of stories are seen as scary
stepping back a bit, it would seem like those stories should be the most comforting, as you are just a human purely coexisting with nature in that moment, like our ancestors did
i get the same sort of feeling when i'm out in a secluded area and i stare at the sky; it's like everything stops and it's just you and the universe chillin with each other. i love that feeling
It's called dissociative fugue. People, especially in a very stressful point in their lives, will suddenly walk, run, or drive away to somewhere else. Seemingly no goal in mind but to leave. The length of this dissociative period varies, with some people never coming back to their previous lives. People typically don't remember running away, so it can be scary when weeks or months later, they discover they've been living an entirely different life, often by a different name.
I'm sure it was scary. But the way you describe it doesn't make it so. The forest can be very relaxing and you can loose yourself for hours
I wish you talked about the recent one in NC where a 3 year old went missing and was eventually found where they had previously looked, while claiming a 'friendly bear' watched over him while he was lost.
Jungle Book irl :0
Dude, my brother lives down the street from where that happened. My brother knows the sheriff and talked to him about it. The sheriff was even baffled. And even thought the case is “closed” some of the local deputies and detectives still look into it and try to come up with plausible explanations. My theory is this: his family hid him for a few days. I have multiple reasons for thinking this. I know people in that area from visiting my brother. That boys family fits the profile as people who would do that. Of course, on the other hand, kids are usually really honest. And he had one on ones with investigators afterwards. Strange case indeed.
@@EMkilroy100 why would the family hide the son & lie to investigaters
@@protonjones54 to make the news, I think. There are really fkd up people out there.
@@protonjones54 ppl r crazy, want attention, or have some other mental gymnastics ass reason to do something like that
I personally think that we overestimate our survival skills, and living in a post-industrial society, a lot of us don't understand how dangerous and disorientating the wilds are. It's incredibly easy to get lost in familiar woods during the day. Mother nature is also extremely unforgiving; one misstep and it's over.
Whatever is happening with these cases, it sertantly has nothing to do with nature. You can't tell me with a staight face that people seemingly teleporting, taking of their clothes and running through the wild aimlessly, even though in some cases they even knew and saw how to get back into civilization is because we are overestimating our survival skills. I get people shouldn't take hiking and camping lightly but with training its not really dangerous. You shouldn't underestimate our survival instincts. Just like domestic animals still have a wild side so do we, and while it does take training a "post-industrial" homo sapien is definitely capable of surviving in the wild, not to mentioned a simple camping trip.
I play Minecraft, don't question my survival skills!
"HURR DURR da woods just got em." yes that explains the OVERWHELMING amount of overlapping specifics to all the cases... If it was just people falling off cliffs or drowning/freezing, that would be a fine explanation. When people disappear for days on end just to found in the exact spot that has been searched multiple times. and how they elude tracking dogs, which have a ridiculous success rates. BUT DA WOODS AMIRITE?!?
@@selfefan1 if foul play is involved you have little to no chance of closure unless the aggressor slips up and if the government is involved just give up the people on the phone lines most likely know nothing and harassing them just makes their lives harder
@@GrandpasRevenge43 fucking relax dude geez. No one is attacking your opinion.
I would like if you did a deeper story on the Aaron Hedges story, you missed a lot, a LOT of detail on the friends side of the story, the lies, the drug and alcohol usage, them illegally tracking an elk, and most importantly that Aaron was going through a alcohol withdrawal. His friends were pieces of shit, bad people, liars, etc. I really want to see a whole video dedicated to it because it is huge, You missed a lot that is important to the case (which makes sense cause you were only touching up on it). The Missing Enigma has a great video on it.
this is actually so interesting and i bet it explains a lot !thank u !!
I originally watched mr ballin’s video on that case and even he didn’t mention all that
@@gabriellegay4097 Because Mr Ballen used David Paulides as a source.
Paulides is questionable on a good day. He molded stories to fit a “strange” narrative .
Yeah it seemed to me just from the details given here that he may have been terminally ill and just wondered off like an old dog. I've heard of a lot of older hunters doing it and it just kind of sounds like that.
Technically tracking animals isn't illegal unless it is with the intention of poaching them. Not necessarily a good idea if the animal is potentially dangerous or you don't have very good survival skills but still not illegal...
The kid’s case at the end is absolutely tragic. I think he was abducted by someone who knew the area well. Imagine thinking you’re any safer just because you’re close to civilization when, in reality, there are just as many demons in humans themselves.
The child was said to be an experienced Boy Scout right? I’m sure he knew better than to willingly walk off with a stranger. And wouldn’t he have screamed or called for his father who was less than 200ft away? There are some of these cases where abduction seems plausible but I don’t think this is one
he probably got curious and went off the trail, and then got lost, getting lost in the woods is a lot easier than you think, even 10 feet off the trail you’ll have no idea where you are, it gets scary, from experience
@@gabriellegay4097 Seems like maybe someone he knew saw him alone, got him to go somewhere with them with the intention of molesting him & then something tragic happened.
@@gabriellegay4097I think this one seems to be the most likely case of abduction honestly. I'm sure he wouldn't have walked away with a stranger, but it would have been very simple for someone to come up behind him, cover his mouth, and pull him away without anyone noticing. Honestly a few of these cases can be explained with abduction. People underestimate the extent someone who wants to kidnap someone will go to. The person could have been watching their camp, waiting for the perfect opportunity. And maybe when he reached down to open the tent, they came up behind him. Of course I'm not certain by any means, I'm just saying it could have been possible.
The main thing I think is weird though, is all the cases they talked about were boys or men, and women are more likely to be abducted. While it's also probably more likely for men to go off in the woods my themselves, you'd think if abduction was the answer to many of these cases, they would have talked about at least one woman. Unless they specifically chose to only talk about cases around boys and men for some reason.
@@Snook_YTLike he said though, this was not a remote camping site by any means, and it seems that he would have had to go out of his way to not be found if he was just lost. Also if that was the case, it seems unthinkable that they wouldn't have found any remains, other than the sock.
Shook at the fact that Wendigoon has an actual name that isn’t Wendigoon
I think something should be added to the official definition of paradoxical undressing. Extreme heat and cold make sense. The person is frantic to cool off or is so cold they feel overheated or encumbered by their clothes, or their brain is so wounded by the high temperatures that it can't comprehend why it should have clothing on.
But think about super stressed out people. An easy example is internal stress, like a very painful bowel movement. Many people will take off their shirt and pants, and even strip fully nude because it makes them feel more comfortable in a time of internal stress.
Students extremely stressed with homework will sometimes coverup with blankets in an attempt to self soothe or in hopes they'll be more comfortable, and hopefully get some work done.
Along with mentally ill patients. In extreme mental stress, they very frequently remove clothing in a panic or delirious state of mind. I think something stresses those people out so severely that they took off clothes to feel more comfortable in their stressed state.
Okay but do you know why it feels better to strip when your stomach really hurts? It's so weird but it works
@@angry2270 i believe it's because it allows your skin to breathe and cool down. Stress increases body heat, hence why we start to sweat when we experience anxious situations. It allows your skin to feel air flow and focus, it also lets your skin breathe. Y'know that feeling of your whole body just feeling a rush of cool every now and then? That's your skin breathing! It's the pores just venting out heat and existing.
That's what I think, not scientifically proven though. Just my own experience
@@angry2270 Perhaps it makes it feel like there's less pressure on your stomach when you undress, even if it wasn't tight clothing? Or having the area feel colder is nice? Those are my best guesses, lol
@@chaoscrabprobably just over stressed and a sort of claustrophobia kicks in.
That reminds me of the Kony 2012 guy, Jason Russell. He was someone with no past experience of psychosis, had a mental breakdown due to stress, and stripped off all his clothes in the middle of San Diego and started yelling in the streets. It's really hard to believe that stress can make you loose touch with reality so bad that you'll get naked in public, but it absolutely does happen.
One thing I've heard about these 411 cases is that, especially with the disabled and children, people literally just leave them there and try to abandon them. The others people say are planned suicides in areas they know people won't find them.
That's literally the only thing I can rationalize for the kid chasing that cat; someone took him, decided he wasn't worth a ransom or whatever, and just left him in the swamp saying "Stay here or else the cows will get you." Literally no other logical explanation aside from aliens or some shit lmao
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@@Kuro-ii1tz I read about one 411 case where the dad I think years later was convicted or something or at least a prime suspect.
The thing is David Paulidies compiled these cases and specifically didn’t use one that were known suicides. Usually when someone goes to kill themselves in nature there is some indication of doing so. These missing 411 cluster areas are bizarre too, coupled with the usual markers of a missing 411 case being, being out of eye sight for a section then they disappear, dogs not being able to track a scent, weird weather after the person disappears that will hinder searching efforts, Boulder fields, berry bushes, those who are found afterwards are confused and in trance like state, people being found in places previously searched, people being found miles and miles away in areas that are near impossible to get to on foot, young children being found miles away where they couldn’t have possibly got to in time when they found them, folded clothing next to the body.... just a bunch of truly bizarre clues
Edit: I wanted to add the connection of bright colored clothing like red or yellow being something that comes up a lot that the person was wearing. Actually a lot of elk hunter and bow hunters go missing which is odd and the hikers and trained professionals going missing under mysterious circumstances is odd too
If that was the case there would be scent trails to follow. It's alot deeper than anything like just abandoning someone. People on the total opposite of the IQ spectrum go missing often too, Scientists, PHDs, etc.
I asked David Paulides, the author of Missing 411, if he had tried talking to a member of Congress about the missing 411 national parks controversy during a Coast 2 Coast AM interview, and he was rather flippant and said they wouldn’t care about it.
I asked him on another C2C appearance if he had looked into the controversy surrounding the disappearances of 2,000 - 3,000 First Nation women in Canada that have been unsolved and in most cases uninvestigated by Canadian law enforcement. He seemed uninterested in investigating it.
I’m rather convinced Paulides is more interested in exploiting these disappearances and deaths than solving them.
you gotta have a mystery to get clicks and I think we both know those disappearances are not a mystery
There’s always felt like there was a grimy undercurrent to Paulides.
There's plenty of questions around Paulides and his methods. I found out when I was reading the books and I am no longer what you would consider a fan
I lost alot of respect for that guy when he basically told mr ballen to stop doing missing 411 stories.
The missing Indigenous women thing has been massively politicized and most of them have likely been murdered by other Indigenous men, there's nothing really bizarre or mysterious about those cases.
As incompetent as I believe the RCMP are, they did follow up on a local missing girl whose remains have been found and arrested the murderers (who were Indigenous).
It'd be nice if these cases had more exposure so they could be solved but it's too bad it's mostly extremists who are interested, the kind who will retweet Trudeau's propaganda and wear orange on Canada Day and ignore the terrorist attacks on churches.
I feel like a lot of these cases can be chalked up to people freezing to death during snowy conditions, and then not being found until much later when their bodies had already decomposed. Being confident hikers etc doesn’t mean you can’t get lost, especially if you’re complacent due to previous hiking experience
Just a thought: While a lot of the behavior sounds nonsensical to anyone with camping experience, they make a lot more sense if you factor in a concussion, which isn't too hard to get. A bad step, a slip, or even a near encounter with wildlife could do it. When you've been concussed, the lights are on, but no one is home, so you might travel significant distances then, when you come back online, you have no idea where you are, why you're there, or how you got there.
I think I’ve watched and listened to all the “Missing 411” stuff out there, but I’d listen to you narrate paint drying. Thanks for all the content!
This is exactly why I'm very dubious about camping in the wilderness alone at night. The woods can be a very strange and unpredictable place.
Youve never stepped foot in the woods in your life i take it
@@Jimbeanz921 I have actually
@@Jimbeanz921I go camping all the time and being alone even with people at night is creepy af
Aiden: It's an inexplicable mystery
Isiah: They COULD have slipped into another dimension! Who knows!??
The only reason I have an issue with the whole ‘government facility that they stumbled upon’ theory is that why would the government purposely put a secret facility in a bunch of national parks where tons of people hike and camp? You’re just asking for people to find you.
The land there was cheaper. Honestly the government does stupid questionable things all the time. Like how in WW2 they used known defective torpedos for 80% of the war that had a habit of circling back on the ships that fired them, or when they knowingly exposed 40,000 people to lethal radiation and had to pay for fake studies to cover it up for 20 years.
@@andrewlong9799 holy shit. I didn’t know about those. Yeah, that’s a fair point.
I can think of at least one example: there's a naval base in the middle of the forest in Indiana that used to be a classified secret because it produced so much ammunition for the navy during WWII. Obviously, it's not a secret anymore, but the general concept of "secret" military bases existing has occasionally been true. There'd be no way of knowing if any installations continue to be classified since the only way to keep something secret is to not acknowledge it.
I thought there were areas of National Parks you couldn’t hike into, whether it be because DNR said no, it’s too dangerous, predatory animals (idk I’ve never been big on hiking) It would make sense if it’s closed to the public that they would try and build something to hide their next project or whatever. And being a big organization, they probably have the means to anesthetize you so you have trouble remembering. But now I’m going too deep into the “what if” so I’ll end it here.
National parks are government property for 1. For 2, many old military bases have become national parks - look up the “nike missile program” - this was a cold war program where the military needed a vast forest range (on a mountain, specifically), i think at least 20 square miles across, to put a missile-defense system. I know this because i accidentally stumbled upon one, which was odd because it was just outside nyc, in one of the most populated areas in the country. Its just a creepy ass, poorly paved road with no lights that snakes up and down a mountain for about 20 miles, and theres a semi-abandoned military base right in the middle
When humans interract with nature we seem to forget that it only takes one mistake, even with decades of experience in anything could be wiped away by one mistake or bad circumstances
I guess giants are considered as nature...
So sad to hear Wendigoon went missing while on his hiking trip last week. Hopefully his backpack that was found 50 miles away from his route will be a lead to the investigation.
People become very disoriented and illogical when they're dehydrated, and it's very easy to become dehydrated.
Camping alone is terrifying for this specific reason, I was asleep in my tent one minute, then I woke up in my car, no clue how I managed to get there but it spooked me to my core. I was incredibly panicked and sweating when i woke up in my car.
And you were alone??? Thats fuckn crazy
Sounds like sleep walking. You probably had a bad dream and ran to your car to escape.
I swear Wendigoon has to have like magic skin or smth cause there’s no way someones skin is THAT smooth. No blemishes, no visible pores, no scars, it’s insane.
I just noticed. You're right,
It's filters!!!
@@majonezowekrolestwo3654 nice assumption.. how far did u jump to get there
some ppl are blessed with beautiful skin...but I like magic skin better lol
He has the skyrim botox mod installed. Perfect skin and hair.
These stories, especially with the children involved, remind me of old 19th century Russian stories about demonic kidnapping, mostly in rural areas. Some children described the experience of being taken away by demons as fast as winds deep into forests, only to be later found alive. Those are really strange stories, aparently documented and kept in church archives. Some encounters are similar to a more modern alien encounters/kidnappings, so I wonder if there is any common thread between these disappearances. I'm not saying it's demons/aliens, but there's obviously something going on and it's hard to explain.
Same thing applies to Irish tales of fairys and other mystical creatures. I wonder if these possible entities just change different forms. Aliens, bigfoot, dogmen, incubus/sucubus, demons, imps, fairys, etc. Similar stories throughout history just with a new coat of paint.
Ahhh those accounts verified by old secret church accounts are the safest option you'll ever get
@@herrschmidt5477 Safest?
One thing is commonly reported among such cases when it gets brought up by the way, it stops and they flee at the name of Jesus. There is only one type of creature that innately ceases its act and flees under such conditions.
@@Spartan322 a politician. Damn Chuck we got a big one here D:
Sometimes the most inexplicable mysteries have the most simple answers behind them, but we just can't find it.
I don’t know if it’s the lighting or maybe you just take immaculate care of yourself but your skin looks so smooth in this video it’s like looking at an NPC from Oblivion.
It rubs the lotion on its skin, Or else it gets the hose again. If Wendigoon disappears we know where to look.
It looks like a filter tbh lol
@@11ozzielover It really does 😂
@@11ozzielover lol i was abt to say the same thing
It's a filter. Actually really distracting lol I had to watch the screen behind him for his segments
I think it's really easy to forget how hostile of an environment nature can be - with every step you take, the number of places you could theoretically be in goes up exponentially, our sense of direction is highly dependent on landmarks and being able to see the horizon, and it doesn't matter how fit or strong or experienced you are when you have Dysentery and a broken ankle. The wilderness just plays by a different set of rules than civilization, and when you enter it, the chance to disappear without a trace is basically just a risk you have to live with.
giants fear Jesus
@@AverageAmerican And I fear giants
@@yetanotherrandomyoutubecha4382 Oh me too, man. That's why I *Cum ba YAH* wherever I go! hahaha If they gonna mess w/ me I know they'll have to go thru Yahweh to do it...
And that's my sign to stay out of the woods. Because I could get lost in a a city park & have gotten lost in a city park.
Admittedly it was opening day of Tulsa's Gathering Place & nobody knew where the exit actually was. I kept missing where the path split. Also I have fibromyalgia so I kept sitting down.
Still I can get lost in a bag. Thank God for google maps or I'd never find my way around the city on the bus.
@@Nirrrina at least you are experienced in it and aware of your limitations.
As an Army vet and graduate of survival school we would practice by deliberately getting lost and having to find our way out. It really helped me appreciate how easy it is to get turned around quickly. If you walk 1 KM just a few degrees off on your azimuth, then shoot another azimuth just a few degrees off you can be half a kilometer away from where you need to be and not even know it. That's under training conditions with a topo map and lensatic compass.
How often does an even avid outdoorsman practice emergency scenarios? Probably never. Throw in an injury, illness, or equipment failure on top of getting turned around and I'm surprised more people don't dissappear visiting parks.
When I'm out in the woods I always note where I can find a border to my area, ideally a road or highway, so if I get lost I know if I head south I will run into a highway eventually. That was I can just follow a bearing and not need a particular azimuth. This side advantage of this is that if my fancy lensatic compass fails I can use the backup compasses on/in my wristwatch to at least head in the general direction I need.
Wendigoon literally never disappoints, like he’s always got something insanely interesting to talk about
I know right it's almost like it's a job or something
Repent and follow Jesus! Repent doesn't mean confess your sins buy to stop doing them altogether. Belief alone is messiah doesn't give you salvation you have to follow and obey His commands too - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36. The last 3000+ years have been a testimony to God's word. contemplate how the Roman Empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13. Revelation 17 confirms that it is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) God is real and can tell the future/ make it happen or B) The world leaders/nations/governments have been conspiring together for the last several millenia. Bible prophecy is still being fulfilled too with the rebirth of Israel in 1948 and the incoming RFID microchips that Sweden is testing out right now.
Pray for God to intervene in your life and look for the motion of His hand. If you have any questions about scripture feel free to ask me
@@rawn9234 means he’s doing his job very well
Don't ever ask 'what is in the woods when we aren't looking?' I live in Appalachian, along the Ohio River, and I have been very fortunate not to have any type of experience in the woods. I don't like to hike or go places where I can't easily get help. The older I get, the more stories I hear, the more I refuse to go into the forest anywhere after the sun first starting to go down. I do not look between the trees, I do not investigate anything weird that I see or hear, I would rather take my chances with a gang then whatever is out there in the forest. I will walk through a bad neighborhood alone at night but I will never walk in the forest when it is even remotely dark or alone for that matter.
I'm from Sweden and I was taught very early on to have respect for nature and specifically forests.
in kindergarten and early school years they would take us to the forest to play. the teachers taught us the forest is alive, about mythical creatures and that we have to show respect by saying hello when we arrive and say thank you when we leave.
that was 20 years ago, I still say hello and thank you whenever I'm in a forest. 🏞️🧚♀️🌲
Asian here in the Pacific old people told us to say tabi tabu po or excuse my intrusion if feel like something if out there looking at us. Yea know pay respect to your spooky neighbors? Often time I just literally drop some food I got walking from home to woods to school and most my lunch money is split with other worldly folks, really weird I'm a skeptic now but the whole offering thing or asking to bypass stuck to me like second nature
Sounds like a weird school
@@lettuce5931 only Bc American schools made us think it’s weird
@@Twigmf Bringing toddlers into the forest is a really bad idea, and teaching them to fear shadows in it for life is a worse one
Sounds like you had a shitty teacher.
With the kid who lost his sock, it was a talking point that the sock was found a quarter mile away from the main road. I'm not too knowledged in this case but it seems reminiscent of a kidnapping. If only one sock was found, the kid probably wasn't trying to go barefoot. If it was found a quarter mile from the main road, it could have meant a vehicle could be parked near the main road in order for the abductor to take the victim without being easily detected. Most people, even if they saw a person put someone in their car, wouldn't make a phone call to the police while driving on the main road, where the speed can easily get up to 60 miles per hour.
Also, the fact that they were in a populated public campground certain to have other strangers nearby, and that the kid was right near his tent when he was last seen also adds to this. Maybe someone knew there was a boy scout troop camping there, went and waited by the tents, and took him while nobody else was looking.
I think the fact that a lot of the disappearances are kids adds credence to this. It’s sad, but children are much more likely to get abducted than adults, and the trend of it mostly being kids that disappeared matches that.
Nature is just a formidable thing. As someone who was born in the woods near the PNW and frequented the coast (and now currently lives in the Sonoran Desert) you really can't ever overestimate yourself against nature.
When I was a teenager I was camping with family and woke up in the middle of the night to use the outhouse. I got spooked by a sound of yipping and hollering (I assumed it was a group of drunk guys but it could've been coyotes, idk it was just horrifying to a teenage girl lol) and I locked myself inside the outhouse/shower building until sunrise. When the sun rose 3hrs later, I stepped outside and couldn't find my campsite! Somehow I ended up nearly two miles away from my family even though there was an outhouse/shower less than 30ft from our tent. And my mom was furious at me for not waking someone up to let them know I was going to the bathroom. But I still don't know how I walked that far in the dark without realizing something was wrong. It felt like I had only walked the short distance to the bathroom but apparently not.
Creepy af
Born in the woods?
Maybe the outhouse was a wormhole, an actual portal where matter interfaces with time at a relatively accelerated, or decelerated, rate.
@@jumpinjohnnyrussno
@@veggie.l I guess not, then.
When a child is lost my mind always goes to either "oh look an interesting animal, lets follow it until I dont know the way home anymore and ultimately starve", person who has a plant farm which isnt registered bc illegal plant to grow and the plant farmer has a gun, or straight up child predator. I dont know if its worse to be kept in the unknown or not, but either way it just stays one big tragedy
I'm so glad that, after the ocean ensnared him into its cold, endless embrace, some kind stranger obtained Wendigoon's camera and uploaded its footage into his editing software and posted the full video for us.