Trapped in Herald by Immortal Smurfs
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
- It's impossible to climb out of Herald because Immortal smurfs will always beat you back down. DOUBT. I've been challenged on my advice for getting out of Herald, let's find out who's right.
How to get out of Herald: • How to get out of Herald
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Once you start blaming yourself for your losses you'll get better. It's crazy how people have been playing for over a decade and still think everything is someone else's fault.
Yes and no.
I legit had 2 weeks straight last month where at least 3/4 of my games had HARD griefers on my team or smurf on the enemy team. It was the worst experience ever, immediately after slow climbing from 2.8k to 3.5k. Every game the algorithm would agree I was the best player on the team. Heck, I lost one game and it still gave me mvp as Oracle 5.
Now we’re all good. I went back up to 3.2k and am just going 50/50 now with lots of high quality back and forth close games. And honestly I would say I’m performing poorer than before. But that might just be perspective compared to my teammates.
try playing pos 5 with a mid and a pos 1 that feeds 10 times by min 20
@@bggjjhljk I went from guardian to ancient in 2024 on 5, I just finally started thinking about the losses and adjusting my gameplay. I don't win bad games always but there have been griefers and crazy comeback games that I have won because I just have a better mindset now. Currently sitting at 80% wr on treant who I've been spamming.
Almost a metaphor for life in general
Especially after several patch changes and map changes. Meta changes, skill changes, etc.
Lauging at the Ogre going to wrong tower feels like im being personally attacked...
Are you ogre? You’re the greatest immortal smurf I’ve ever seen! All jokes aside that was a simple mistake and it’s all in good fun.
15:17 you're welcome
@@lukeskywalker6641lol delusional herald noob
“i simply no longer belong to this bracket"
You do, mate no matter how much you wanna deny it. Also you have 0 clue about the skill and mindset immortal players have.
@@lukeskywalker6641 So you’re also Drow. Take all his advice very seriously.
ZQuixotix woke up and chose violence... 😂😂
Love it
@@lukeskywalker6641 i hope you quitt dota
The dude deserves it
@@lukeskywalker6641 It's been 3 months, any updates on your report yet?
@@venomlovekitties he's probably still stuck in Herald fighting against "immortal smurfs". Some people are just antithetical to their own personal development
this guy is true herald, you cannot help him
Please never stop doing these videos. It's peak comedy, better than Jenkins herald reviews. Love you Zquixi
As someone who has followed all of your tips religiously and practiced them religiously I have went from Herald to mid-high archon in about 6-7 months. It can be done guys you're just not really trying to improve. Be humble, Realize you suck, Realize you want to be better, and then be better.
Thanks Zach Ill let you know once I get to immortal Homie
Please do, that would be such a sick climb from Herald to Immortal!
There is hope for me!
Inspiring me to do better. As a support me missing precious last hits is game ruining.
@@domovoi_0you aren't supposed to last hit as a support
Same here, made it from Herald to highest Legend II only playing support
Herald is a mindset.
Looks like a disability at this point 😂
Herald players have a victim mindset. They're the same people from every generation that blames rich people for why they're poor.
Heralds nothing like this in Europe. I think there's another common element here.
@@zombizombiI've never been in herald in Europe but at Guardian 2 players were so shit I am tempted to not believe you. The difference of about 400 MMR between G2 and G5 is staggering skill wise.
@@HalIOfFamer I'm starting to wonder if I'm in some sort of smurf pool even though I'm not a smurf because the quality of players is much higher than what I see in these videos - even in Herald on EUW.
50 last hits is not the same as 80 last hits. Glad I could audit that for you!
@@lukeskywalker6641 I have best advice for real, don't get tilted. Dota is a team game 5 vs 5, of course you can't 1 vs 5 players (confidering you are on the same level of skill) if you can 1 vs 5 other players it is no more team game. Let's imagine it like boat, you are with another 4 people on the same boat, of course you can't be faster than enemy's boat if they are better or your teammates worse. Maybe team games are not for you.
Thanks for the confirmation, math man!
@@lukeskywalker6641 What I will say might sound harsh but it's my genuine attempt to help you. You are delusional, that's your first problem you have to work on. If you can't over come that, you will never get better. Then instead of blaming others, try think about yourself as a human being with limits that has ALWAYS something to work on and get better at. I know sometimes it's the teammates but it can't be always your teamates fault. Statisticaly impossible. Remember the only constant in your games is you. And even if you don't feel like it's your fault always try to entrtain the idea what if it was you who was bad and realize your mistakes and what you could have done better. Also don't look at your teammates as burden but as other people with flaws that are trying to win the game the same as you. They primary goal isn't to ruin your games.
1:13 into the vid and he's already humbled rofl
A friend of mine that used to be a guardian once had a massive ego in Dota. At one point he tried to climb out of his bracket, but he wasn't getting anywhere. I told him bluntly that he plays poorly, ranging from builds, mechanics, and overall awareness of his surroundings. I went over a few replays with him and told him what he needed to do to climb. He followed my instructions as closely as he could seem to manage, and he is now just shy of ancient. The instructions I gave him weren't too different from these:
1. Pick a hero that can clear waves efficiently and threaten towers.
2. Look up what the pros are building, and stop starting every game with 6 faerie fires.
3. Play on your big item/ability timings.
When he was still guardian/crusader, I told him he could also play literally any hero he wanted to. He would not be punished correctly for playing a hero outside of their normal role(s). Learn to be both greedy and active.
6 faerie fires is very rare even in herald.
Those darn immortal Smurfs
This snarky and sarcastic content is my FAVORITE side to see from you. Please make more of this content!
As a mediocre ancient / divine player, I've been on herald playing an account of a friend, and... oh my gosh, people there is crazy as f, but they really seems to enjoy the game and have a lot of fun...
I’ve been playing in the Herald V - Crusader II bracket for a couple years now. I can safely say this drow is a dog sheet herald I or II.
Yeah... at least on EU West the players are much better.
I really appreciate your content. I used to be a low Divine player years ago and got recalibrated in Crusader. I couldn't climb out and your content made me realize how much I relied on game knowledge instead of fundamentals. Thanks for motivating me to climb again.
What's the difference? Honest question. Game knowledge vs funds?
@@Urza26 Im a bit exhausted rn but I can answer you later if you still need an answer
@@Urza26 Basically, it doesn't matter if you know what to do, if you can't physically do it
Everytime I come back to this video it really strikes me how little this guy wants to change anything. He's not looking to improve at the game, he's looking for players he looks up to, to tell him that it's his team's fault that he loses, or it's smurfs, or it's him being tilted. Never once does he think, "this is something I could do differently"
Smurfs take advantage of a lack of critical thinking in lower mmr games. They will take advantage of lack of wards, map awareness, item builds... But they are playing with a team that also have low critical thinking skills... so it isnt an automatic win.
3:00 he underperforms but also he's on the top of a list in games his allies are generally behind. the guy is ego mode core shit but still, it would be honest to engage with how imbalanced matches can be.
please make this a 10 part series. this is comedy gold
@@lukeskywalker6641 are you trolling? the herals in the game was anonymous I believe, so really dont see how anyone could have a problem with it
@@lukeskywalker6641 I agree. Pointing out that 50 is not in fact equal to 80 could be regarded as slander and harassment. To hell with the facts!
Playing Dota and only reflecting on what your team or enemies did as opposed to self reflection holds back what feels like most of the community from grinding up
always has been
Zach woke up and chose violence today
'I'm a healer, but...'
Been awhile since I last watched a ZQ vid. ZQ changed from Mr Nice Guy to a Master Roaster? I am here for it! This is comedy gold.
Thank you, bro for still making contents! We appreciate you!
ive been flamed by guys like this too goddamn much. seeing one cry in the comments having his gameplay flamed for tens of thousands of people is so goddamn satisfying. fuck people like this. they're perfectly okay talking all the shit in the world to try and ruin your day, but cry when they get it right back from someone meaner or with more "clout" than them.
I get it when you are trapped in Legend, then you have to do "reverse psychology" - I will not join every single teamfight as pos 1 carry or pos 2 midlaner. Because Legend players believe teamfights win the game, they are like obnoxious children, they fight ALL THE TIME and you don't have time to farm. But dude, for Herald it is just opposite, you don't even have to farm at all, just watch the minimap and join every fn teamfight because most of the time they are not 5 players together and they dont know how to use items in teamfights. It's better to play midlane in lower ranks. Fighting one.
@10:55 LOL I love these roast videos, so entertaining! Can we have more delusional heralds send in their profiles and challenge ZQ? I would watch every one of these roasts :)
@@lukeskywalker6641 Hey man, can I recommend therapy? I don't know if it's something you can afford but if you can I think it would really help you.
the amount of pure sarcasm dripping from your every word is jsut so fucking satisfying lmao
I am 100% sure the submitter was trolling lol
It's either that or a delusional narcissist.
He's a core player though. A lot of them aren't self aware enough to do this
Was about to write the same thing, trolling got him spotlight, lol
@@f1shze4lot i've seen the same thing from supports, it's a herald thing
@@lukeskywalker6641 Bro... work on your mental health before you work on your rank. This is such a sad comment I don't know what else to say but seek help
My very first game of dota vs human players (I practiced for a week on bots until I at least felt comfortable playing) I went 26-2-7 on spectre and lost horribly. Wondering what went wrong, I went back and watched the replay, and noticed that, while my team definitely was a bunch of complete deadweights, my map awareness was non-existent and I had a tendency to tunnel vision onto kills and ignore what was going on around me. So I put that in the back of my mind as something to improve at. I never particularly cared about my rank (this was back during closed beta before ranked existed) or even focused hard on improving, but just made little mental notes about things to do better and sometimes remembered to apply them, because getting better feels good. A year and a half later I was almost 4K mmr solely through this method, because being able to recognize your failings and putting even the smallest amount of work towards correcting them will take you a long way.
That being said, the most fun I ever had in dota was in the absolute MMR trenches, so maybe it's better to just blame everything on other people and never get better, cause at least then you get to spend more time in herald.
Most passive aggressive dota video I’ve ever seen 😆😆😆 this was GOLD. I love seeing heralds say they’re better than they are. They’re in herald for a very good reason
Never seen ZQuixotix in such savage mode.
I fully understand where this dude is coming from, because I've been there too. Despite him clearly being Herald, he is consistently getting highest CS and--if I heard correctly--earning MVP in many games. This creates the illusion that you're MUCH better than you actually are, and keeps you from seeing all the things you do wrong. So rather than taking responsibility, you put the blame on your teammates and opponents, or even matchmaking lol.
Anyway, eye opening video because it reminded me of myself. Thanks, Z!
Hey Zac, I finally understood the problem that was keeping me low MMR all those years! You are right about 55% win rate being all I need to climb, but the new thing that I realized is the fact that if I try so hard to win unbalanced games I will force the system to put me in an endless losing streak that even nightfall cannot ever get out of. I need to play below average in these games and NOT try to win them at all, in order to inform the matchmaking system that these type of games are simply too much for me. Until I get the easy balanced normal games again, and then I can win those games normally without getting 5 rampages and flexing too hard, and by doing this I will maintain a fifty five win rate, instead of aiming for a hundred percent win rate and ending up with ten percent win rate for months on end. I thought I needed to go all in, in order to always win. That was my biggest mistake. What helped me with that is noticing Mason lost a ton of games on his way to 10k MMR from 3k MMR. And the fact that even Quinn has slightly above 50 percent win rate, not 80 or 90. 🤯💯
Now when I get the immortal smurfs again, I'll just let them win without even trying to win at all. 😮
Oh my goodness please make more content like this. I love it. I have taken your advice and I have a rising mmr. It's never because of someone else. This video is so frickin funny. Keep making good cerebral content to play with and think about and I'll keep watching. GG looking forward to the next vid.
One of the funniest videos I’ve watched in a while 😂
Never laughed so much on a RUclips video. You could make a roasting Herald series LOL
1. Communicate with teammates in a friendly manner, MAKE CALLS!!!!!
2. Lower brackets are chaotic, therefore NEVER 'expect' anything from those players.
3. NEVER-NEVER-NEVER BLAME TEAMMATES →that's the only way you never get tilted (instead, figure out what you could've done better yourself)
*Playing cores will give you more wins (it works only on lower brackets)
Other:
Before you learn anything, you must take notes, then plan for each game what you want to work on.
Before the game: open notes, choose 1-2 things for each of the stages (early/mid/late game)
yup, I learned to fell out the vibe of a game and play accordingly. If you try to take a clown game seriously, you're going to lose
a friend of mine who is legend wonders why he's still in that bracket and i myself also wonders why he is still legend with his skill that is atleast a divine player. but then i played games with him just to know that he gets tilted and argue with his teammates until they grief lmao. so yeah if you want to climb brackets never ever argue even if your team are dumb asf
This is in league of its own. Immortal smurf consistently holding the poor guy hostage in heral.
Guide worked for me, I'm now in Leage of Legends rank!
you re what? :)
I am so sorry for you, did they already implement the chinese spyware camouflaged as an anti cheat?
The "oh shit not my tower" brings back some crazy memories. Haha that had me legit laughing out loud.
I mean 80 lasthits by 10 mins is like legend level players last hits....
Surely u don't expect heralds to do that.....40 I would consider to be very good already at herald.
Had a sniper last pick mid after my friend picked it on the map. He proceeded to go 0-5, blame everyone else, and then disconnect before 15 minutes. Oh Dota.
Okay buddy you eserve that sub, this is the content I want.
best part 20:33 7 creepwaves died mid with no one there was the best part
Ogre Magi running under the enemy tower for safety absolutely killed me. No matter how bad I get at the game, I can know that I won't be as bad as this Ogre.
It’s best comedy video of orge Maggi and commentary. I need to go safety of tower . Oh shit it’s not my tower . This is pretty lit . I laughed hard
You dont understand that these are HIGH immortal smurfs. Because they are so good, they are just pretending they are acting like heralds.
The guys always make my blood boil by how delulu they are lmao
Usually the split push situation will be split pushing when there 5 - 3 enemy missing from lane and they will be dead ganked by 3-5 missing hero or they will be split pushing when the team are trying to push high ground.
When I saw him but quelling and leave open 495 gold I said to myself “yup he’s rushing bracer.”
Dude woke up and chose violence
This is the funniest shit that I've seen in a while 😂
This submission was an inside job. I'm on to you zquixotix
That guy is just mental. Instead of seeking to get out of herald he should just seek therapy
Won 7 in a row in the last 2 days. Climbed from guardian 2 to 5 and within 3 games I have a chance at crusader. You are the primary reason(well abusing shadow fiend in 7.36 helped) I am doing so well. My wards rarely get found, my last Hits are more consistent even in losing lanes, my priorities are clearer and I tilt way less even when games look grim. Although I am tempted to send you a replay of a tragic game from about 4 days ago. Playing PA with meepo on mid and alchemist 4. I tell meepo shadow fiend OP as hell. He procedes to do 6k dmg in a 40 minute game, and the alchemist instead of being a hero was an item farmer for us(he literally had mana boots and another minor item and bought moon shards and aghs for the rest of the team and also did like 5k DMG overall.
I was tilted as hell and I played like shite but I doubt it was winnable if I was calm.
lol this video was hilarious. really enjoy this kind of content, you apply just the right amount of pressure to them without being too insulting and explain yourself well
Thanks to ur videos man. Im legend 3 now from archon 2. I finally realize. That play to improve not to win thats what i learn from u i start using it every game and it feels like ok even lossing cuz i can comeback that mmr later cuz i know im in this rank 😊😊😊.
I went from herald to legend and the main difference is people don’t just wait for things to happen in higher brackets. They also punish mistakes a lot harder like taking objectives after winning fights.
Came back to DotA 2 after 7 years. Started back in the day with DotA and then HoN. Have to say: it's still fun, but weird.
To see how the heralds play is so funny sometimes. They seem to play another DotA then the rest ^^ I never get 50-80 CS in every game but I can clearly see that I can never get down to herald. But 3k is not much and I know that I have to improve much. That's why I train every day in last hit trainer, play my 2-5 Games a day and watch replays from pros. I focus on my own game and give a fuck about what others do or say. I just go with the flow.
Obviously is imposible to win every lane and always get that many lsthits, although it is on herald.
this video is a good example of why i prefer herald. anything goes for items and i can take breaks mid game and still win
Its crazy, I use to think the same way as the individual you highlighted in the video. I play support class and still get 100+ last hits, stack camps, collect bounty ruins. Its all timing and making certain actions repetition to a point it doesn't feel like you are doing to much but doing what you are suppose to.
I also think there is something wrong with Valve's matchups. We once played a ranked (my team of 4) and the random was a Crystal Maiden who bought 2 boots and took all the farm but bought nothing else and was nowhere in the fights. And another time, there was a Winter Wyvern who farmed the entire game and never showed up for team fights. Then he walked into the enemy's base to get 1 death. He had 0 kills and 1 death the entire game. We won because of the heroes we picked.
notice all of the carry's last hits at the beginning are shockingly low
Hey Zquill! Finally hit 2k for the first time, I have had a steady 60% winrate for the past few months. My goal is 3.5k, loving your content, I completely agree that looking at your gameplay first is the right step in getting better at the game! See yah!
nailed it bro. I myself have guardian level skills or maybe just crusader but I see all my teammates flaming eachother thinking they are actual pros. Also, how does a smurf win a game? If they were that pro just could ve solo carried xD Long story short I bet just by working on last hits people can reach archon.
imagine a herald not being able to follow simple instructions. these people are stuck for obvious reasons which are present with or without dota.
That's a genuine herald drow build. I really want to see how his skill build progresses, because experience is telling me he will go for stats instead of leveling up multi-shot. I used to play with a guy who did this skill build (except multishot didn't exist, he was skipping the aura E for stats) and he also went 5 wraith bands + phase boots.
"Dont play like shit that is my advice" is hallerious
These are great. We need more please!
As a low immortal, I still watch videos/content like these to improve and gain knowledge. Thank you for your insights. My goal is to hit at least 8k this year. I am currently at 6.5k. I play 4/5.
I think the whole thing about immortal smurfs is him yet again overestimating his abilities, thinking he's just slightly below high immortal and if not for brown boots clarity necro he would climb easily. Provided he is actually serious which i doubt actually
Anyway great video, love these roasts.
I was Herald / Guardian for 2.5 years. Crusader for 6 months, Archon for 3 months, Legend for 2 months. Last week I hit Ancient. The point is, it’ll get easier to rank up the higher you go. I play support 95% of the time. My advice to Heralds and Guardians: 1. Buy wards and dusts 2. Look at what higher ranks are doing 3. Be patient and don’t play too many games every day.
You also learn faster if you can party with higher rank players.
This was so cathartic to watch. I have a friend like this who thinks the game is rigged against them. We are both 1k MMR, but at least I know I suck.
hahaha those dang immortal smurfs are truly menacing NGL 😕😕
If someone asks me what my rank is I tell them that I am an immortal smurf.
As some one who became crusader recently, this was hilarious to watch.
congrats on becoming a crusader, did u take jerusalem yet or u still working on it?
@@alegro4046 XD
the question is where did you come from,
from guardian or from archon, because i have some archon friends that have just recently become crusader as well lol
Deus vult
Hahahaha this was brilliant! I'm never submitting my terrible profile after seeing this! 😂😂
That was the most Herald Drow build I've even seen hands down no contest.
Honestly I almost feel like this Drow was trolling you just based on how he touched on every Herald stereotype that exists as to why they are hardstuck.
E: That Dawn skill build is actually criminal. Like, how do you read the abilities and decide that Lum was infact the corrct skill to max first and not take her fantastic 2nd ability, like how does someone come to that conclusion?
2E: I know she has mana issues but the right items and a little regen goes a long way.
Lol these stats are practically good enough to get out of Archon. Need the get out of legend guide soon
I almost feel like you got baited by this one. But if it is true then I hope he picks up the advice.
I appreciate this type of content. This happens literally at every bracket. But, people in this game are now already too toxic, emotional and delusional that I'm not even sure what could be the amount of content like this that's enough to open their eyes anymore. what a sad reality because this game is the best video game ever created, but it's the community itself that's driving players away, especially new players
I won’t be surprised if this guy will still say zquixotix is wrong after this video because he’s full of himself.
Low herald be like: "I am a pro" *dives the t3 at level 2*
I swear to god I am herald (or rather, unranked) but whenever I play ranked its not as bad as this player in the video. WHY?
here i am just playing a game to try to suck less, and then... *the hoard of smurfs*
oh Zues, this is worrisome.
this is one of the best whose fault is it i have watched lol
Haha, great video but isn't your benchmark of 50cs/15denies crazy high for someone in Herald to aim for? I watch a lot of pro replays and let's take the three latest replays with ATF, one of the best laners in the world. In those at exactly 10:00 he had Razor 50/23, Huskar 72/15, Mars 67/22. He hits your benchmark for sure but not with a huge margin, especially not every time. I mean, it just seems a bit unrealistic for a Herald to aim for. Anyways, great video and your tips have helped me a lot.
That's fair and something people have brought up. My argument for 50/15 is that when we think about higher brackets, the players are more competitive with each other. More people are constantly last hitting, denying, pulls, and harassing, so it's a lot harder to actually get CS. Kills and rotations are a bit more consistent as well as players know how to utilize their heroes. For those reasons, I think it's much more understandable when higher brackets don't hit the benchmark (which is meant to be a rough guideline anyways).
In Herald, a lot of that tends to be missing and many players end up just staying in their lanes for the first 15 minutes. Some games there's tons of kills back and forth (often due to mistakes) but sometimes it's super passive. This is why I think a Herald player who puts in some work to practice last hitting and maybe does a few of their own pulls or jungling could learn to hit 50+ CS most games.
Alternatively, hitting less than 50 but working on other elements of your game would be totally fine. If you consistently hit 50/15 and the other things I talked about though, I think literally just those is enough to get out of Herald which is why the benchmark is a bit higher than it might otherwise be
@@ZQuixotix That's some good points. I didn't really think of Herald being more like laning against easy bots so it's easier to hit the benchmark lol. I just compared to my own games in Legend/Ancient and pro games and it seemed like a really high benchmark to hit for a Herald.
you actually help me get out archon, im now ancient
Herald games are funny AF. True comedy content
Is this an example of Dunning-Kruger Effect?
i dont think so, this feels like an accute intellectual disability.
Do you really need to call "stupid people not knowing they're stupid" an "effect"? The amount of people spitting out "dunning-kruger" thinking that sounds smarter than just calling someone stupid... what do you think you're dressing up? Just call the guy stupid. Saying "Dunning-Kruger" doesn't make you sound smart, it just tells people you browse reddit
@@screwgoogle4993 I don't browse reddit, stop projecting your browser activity into others lmao
It is about setting out to improve, and do the best for the team, it took me 2 years to go from 670mm to 4200, it is not much but it is difficult as a position 5 playing alone
To be fair, an ant is a giant in the perspective of a dust mite... So to a herald, anyone who's better than them is an immortal...
Come on, this player just want to troll you. He did it on purpose to waste your time and other people's chance
I figured out my chronic problem by looking at the wear pattern on my keyboard. Of course I'm missing the WASD, but also worn away are the letters for L-O-W-M-A-N-A. I need to buy more blue regen.
i want this guy and guys with this attitude to lane against just a couple archon players. they will get stomped so damn hard just by virtue of archons knowing basic lane mechanics.
Another amazing ******* video, Z!
This was the most herald shit I've ever seen lol
Dude, these people get stuck in herald for a reason, don't let them get to you. It breaks my heart to see these people winding you up 💔
The pushing first wave on empty lane is early lvl 2 over your enemies in turbo
Turbo makes people worse at the game
If those are high immortal smurfs then these matches are great anti-drug campaign ads.
i'm a new player, although at 77 unranked hours not sure if i'm considered new or not anymore, mostly play pos 4 or 5... i wtached a bunch of your videos and improved myself a lot during my unranked games trying to follow all the advices... i can't wait for the day i unlock ranked, i get my rank and i can finally send over a video for analysis because man, some games, i'm just stuck.. i don't know if i gave my lane partner a good lane (felt like one, didn't matter, so maybe it was not that good?), i'm not sure what i could have done different, i forget to use items that i have, at certain points... i don't know who to use the items on, my ass or my teammates ass... that's the things i just can't learn by myself and i'm excitedly waiting for the day i can send over a match id, hopefully have it seen and get constructive criticism on how i could improve and made the game better for my teammates
Feel free to drop by one of my Twitch streams on Wednesdays, I usually raffle away free replays. New players are totally welcome!
@@ZQuixotix haven't tuned in on a live one, but i do watch the vods here and there to learn more and more as i go, but, will try to get on one if possible thank you