Horror at the Cecil Hotel SPOILER CHAT
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- Опубликовано: 25 окт 2017
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One huge difference between your channel, John, and the dozens of other similar channels, is that you genuinely CARE about the material you present to us. These aren't sensational stories being told because they're hip at the moment. You CARE about the people and situations you speak about. And that's also something to be noted about us BrainScratchers, we also care deeply. I'm proud to be one of the subscribers who has followed you since your first Geekendorx coverage of this case.
Thank you so much Salena. I couldn't agree more.
The way John presents/handles the subject manner in a non sensationalized way, has me scratching my head wondering why his videos would be demonetized . I've watched stuff like 48 hrs., 20/20, dateline...and they have no shortage of ads. Same subject matter!
I completely agree Salena! I was almost scared the "trolls" would find this channel. More subs often equates to more idiots. Mr. Lordan's crowd is always respectful and I think we take that direction from John himself. I hope it always stays this way!
Congrats on the 40k, John-and thank you for what you do!
You're the best, John! I discovered you through this case and have been following you ever since. Also to this day, whenever someone asks about Lisa Lam, and it does happen ever so often, I just direct them to your channel as THE best, most reliable source.
Congrats on 40,000!!
Still haven't heard any information about the "roommates" in the Cecil hotel.
Great video as always John.
Can't wait to see the documentary!
Congrats on 40k! You deserve it!! I’ve never found anyone, on RUclips, that dives into these cases as deep as you do. And you have so much heart for it as well! Hopefully your channel only gets larger. Keep up the awesome work!
Just watch- this channel is going to at least double when that show comes out! John is going to be big in the RUclips world, and who knows where else. I foresee his consistent hard work paying off. They'll be begging to advertise here ;-) just watch!
i'm so glad you're involved. i feel like other than maybe elisa's lawyer and a couple lapd detectives, you know more about this case than anyone. i doubt there are too many people making videos about elisa who actually sat in on the civil case or have explored the cecil like you.
I'm sad that you feel you have to explain your motives. You've always been respectful and have honored the memory of Elisa Lam
Congrats on 40k John!
That case brought was the reason I found your site and subbed. You've taught me so much John. I'm glad I found you my friend. God bless you and yours💗
Hannah Elorie
Elisa Lam's united us all here and her legacy lives on through a channel dedicated to helping families of missing people. Like John once said, her life matters. OneLife Matters posted a video of her gravesite, fyi.
Jack J Awesome video Jack, glad you pointed it out. And she sure did bring us all together. And just like Kenneka, Elisa's case is near and dear to my heart. Dying in a dark place alone.
You are an honorable and ethical person re this subject.
John, you're awesome, mister!
I don't think any of your subscribers doubt your integrity! I know I certainly don't think that! You've provided some of the best and most comprehensive coverage of the Eliza Lam story, I'd watched your stuff before you did those videos but the Cecil Hotel incident was (like many others, it seems!) the reason I subscribed to your channel. I wish I could support you on Patreon but am not in the position to do so at this time, unfortunately. Your sincerity, dedication and compassion shines through in every video you do, thank you, John.
I am sad that the facts changed according to some because of entertainment. she is a person. her case with all the correct info is interesting in itself without turning the girl into a folklore
John, you deserve OUR thanks for you and your channel.
Btw, a slight update to the papini story just came up.
Thank you, I just looked up the information!
Congrats on 40,000 subs John!!I remember when you hit 1,000!! Your channel is like no other; thanks for all you do!!
FFS John, even if you did get paid, good for you. You work so hard, and you help so many. And the reason your audience is so respectful, and cares so much is because of you. Please don't listen to haters. Your peeps trust you, and we want the best for you. And if that means occasionally being paid, then good. (I know you weren't, and I'm not questioning that. Just giving you the support you deserve.) and CONGRATS ON 40000!
I'm really on the fence about the elevator footage. On one hand I understand that it sensationalizes the case, on the other I feel it's an integral part of it. I don't think you can tell the story without it. The footage exists unlike the "lid" on the water-tank which is conjecture. Unbelievably enough, water tank 'diving" is a "thing.!" Who would have thought? I've read it's a version of an isolation tank! I've never read or seen any documentation regarding this fact but I assure you it exists. The 'Lam Elisa" test is a head scratch (or brain scratch lol) Of all coincidences....it's just, well, bizarre. Keep up the good work John. Personally and respectfully I don't think the "creep factor" will ever leave this case regardless of the documentary approach. Staying and not straying from fact is admirable and the way to go with this case. Bearing that in mind the old adage holds up, truth IS stranger (or creepier) than fiction.
Congratulations on reaching the 40k subscribers landmark John, you thoroughly deserve it. I joined you at around the 25k mark (ironically after looking for content on the Elisa Lam case) and it is nice to see more and more are discovering your channel. It is obvious you put a lot of effort into your content and your genuine heartfelt passion for the cases you cover really comes across to the viewer. Your hard work is paying off, keep up the good work John and here's to the next 40k 🍺🍺🍺🍺👍👍👍👍
John, thank you for clarifying things about the case with facts.
I was so excited to see that episode feature you.....of course, your research and follow up on the case have been more informative and truthful! Keep up the great work!
Just watched all the videos on this case. Appreciate all your hard work and info. Any new updates on the project?
Congrats on 40,000 subs John! Your passion for helping people and unbiased opinion is just what RUclips needs. Thank you for all that you do!
John, your channel is by far the best of its kind on you tube. You deserve lots of subs and more widespread acknowledgment.
How do you ONLY have 40K subs? Everyone needs to share and like so we can grow this number!
Regardless, congratulations, you deserve it and many more. Thank you for all your hard work!
Congratulations on the 40K subscribers. You'll be to 100K before you know it!! Love your channel and wait for each and every video!
Congratulations on 40k, you definitely deserve much much more!! Congratulations again.
Thanks so much!
Hey another good morning to my fellow LordanARTERS!
we ❤ you, John. keep up the good work
This story is what helped me find your channel as well as Ryan. This is such a strange story. Hope it is solved one day.
Congaratulations, we are 40,480 yaayyy, and it doesn't stop here..
Congratulations John! 40k
You are a wonderful, virtuous man with a huge heart and your work is essential . You are awesome at what you do and we all benefit from it. Your ability to be objective, introspective, creative, professional and caring IS AMAZING!!!!
gratz on 40k! keep it up!
Thanks Draagy!
Congrats on 40k subscribers! I just love your channel, you are doing a wonderful job on all this cases
John this entire time I have thought the lid was on the tank when they found her. That had me stuck on foul play for certain. Now I don't think so as much. Thank you for all your work. I love your channels and the work you do.
Congrats on 40k, John!
yay!!!
The thing that is soooo vexing to me about this show (and the case in general) is the detective coming on at the end and saying that the public is not aware of all of the information that they know in this case. And that the detectives and the coroner *and* the family are satisfied that Elisa’s death was an accident. Well , if the case is considered closed, why don’t they release this information that has convinced everyone involved, including her family, that her death was accidental so we can all move on! There would be no reason to withhold info in a closed accidental case. Smh . . .
There's a certain saying, "the truth does not fear investigation". Them being so adamant on keeping all of their precious "info" from the public says a thing or two about this whole case.
Congrats on your 40k subscribers John! If anyone deserves to know the truth behind this case as much as her family, its you for putting the time and effort to get those videos out there. If Elisa's family ever watched your videos, i hope they feel some sense of relief after all these senseless memes and hollywood horror stories about her.
I know the kenneka jenkins case did help bring some exposure back to this case, and from some comments I seen there were still people out there that had never heard the story.
Whoo Hoo! 40K John! Way to go! Looking forward to this doc. & hope they did get most of the info correct & factual. Keep up all of the wonderful work you do!
Just like to say this channel is one of the best on RUclips for this type of content. Massive Respect to you John I appreciate all you do. I am a new subscriber and I have lots to catch up on. Just finished watching the Elisa Lam vids and I found them very very interesting and very very informative and very very respectfully done. Keep up the fantastic work John :-)
Now that I realize that you'll have a larger part in helping create the series I'm looking forward to seeing them! Before I dismissed it as another horror-flick that would cast aside most truth in the case and draw some of the fictional elements (ie movie fantasy) away. Keep up the great work, I love listening about how you dissect a case and stay very balanced- observant to all facts. I subscribed to you after watching a missing persons case from a local.
Dude, Anyone who is familiar with your channel and the work you do knows that you have the utmost of integrity and respect for the cases you cover that frankly, 99% of youtubers who do these types of stories don't have or strive to have. And thank god because you're like a beacon of truth in a fog of sensationalistic and misinformed bullsnit.
Did the helicopter that eluminated the roof top that evening have video? It seems unlikely that the police didn't have the camera recording. If the hatch was off it would seem impossible for the chopper to overlook that.
very cool...will want to check this out...thanks john
The one thing that bothered me in this show was how shady they made the guy at the front desk. It seemed unnecessary and just there to try and make the hotel itself look creepier.
I agree but I can also get why they did it... it's just for movie drama to make the audience wonder if he's a possible culprit.
Did they cover the three ladder hatches that the manager, engineer, and maintenance worker failed to mention in their statements?
The reason I sub'd John is because you GENUINELY care, there is not one person in your true fan base that doesn't believe that.
Congratulations! Before her death she was "alone" what a pity, but now we will many remenber Elisa.Rip for the family.
Great work John. Yes I watched the spoiler before I watched the show. I trust your judgement and opinions and now I am anxious to see the series. Waiting patiently (OK impatiently) for the kickstarter.
Thank you John
Congratulations on 40k John
The key fact that doesn't seem to be addressed is that the tank she was in was the primary tank and thus on level control, the pump is clearly seen that brings water into the tank from near the center top. Systems like this can control level to within an inch easily. Flow to the next three tanks would be mechanical, siphon, and apparently flesh blocked the siphon, low pressure, flows such that the tanks emptied reducing the water pressure of the higher rooms, not so much in the lower floors which still would have had sufficient liquid height. But the water level in HER tank should have stayed constant as it was on level control, and in that sort of system the full volume of the tanks is used for design efficiency so it can be assumed that the primary tank was set to maintain a high level, probably more than 90%, which would make the hatch less than two feet above a person in the water. It should have been easy to grab the hatch as a 5'5" person can easily reach 2 feet above water level. If the level control system was functioning normally, she should have been able to extricate herself from the tank. Regardless of all the other possibilities, the simple question is why did she not just climb out. It's either suicide or murder by manipulation of the water level control apparatus. Suicide by insanity makes the most sense.
I had to stop, go buy the season and watch this episode real quick. The part that got me was that tumblr post made on her account 28 days after her death of the tarot card. I don’t know why I never picked up on that before now!
Congratulations on 40K!
Congratulations on 40k subs, John!
Hey John. Have you been watching the 6 part series on Maura Murray on the Oxygen Network? You can find the episodes on Vimeo and the Oxygen Network site, among other places online. It's been really good so far.
Don't thank us, John, we should thank you! And all your hard work! :)
Can't wait!
Do we know what the name of the documentary is going to be, by chance?
Good Morning, I believe even if you are making money on this, you deserve it you are one of a kind hearted person, that really cares and loves what you do, i love this kind of unsolved cases and think how can and who could of done such crime? My opinion there's more people who could of done this kind of heinus crimes, than we can think of, Thank you so much for all the effort and time you put on everything you do to keep us informed.....
That youtube documentary was really just a summary of information already out there. A good documentary will go get primary source information (interviews, documents, recordings etc.) themselves, and do some investigation themselves. Those things cost money.
I have no problem with the Kickstarters needing money for this, and I think its OK for you to cover your costs too John. :)
Hey. You probably know this, but your channel was shown on the " Cecil hotel" Elisa lam episode!
Surely the lid was on. That's crazy gross. Bird poop, leaves, animals could fall in. We're there cameras up there? This is so shady. I love your honest approach!
John, a possible correction on a comment you made here: it's been said by former police officer David Paulides that in general, male drowning victims tend to be found floating face down, but females typically are found floating face up; the reason apparently has to do with the general differences in body shape, considering men usually have a gut that is prominent while women's prominent area is lower near their hips/buttocks (hourglass figure), plus they have breasts which are natural flotation devices!
I think that assumption is a bit questionable and depends much more on body type.
people.howstuffworks.com/drowned-women-always-float-face-up.htm
Based on the analysis at this site and knowing height/weight and seeing Elisa's body type via the video, I'm not sure Elisa had enough fat on the front portion of her torso to meet this criteria, but it's clearly debatable.
I have only just discovered your videos and have binge watched all the Elisa Lam vids today. Do you have any updates on when the kick-starter doco is coming out or if it is already out how I can watch it from Australia 🇦🇺
I believe you didn't get paid, but even IF you did, you put a LOT of work & CARE into these cases!
Thanks for the update on the doc!! The FB page has gone pretty quiet and I've been dying to hear something.
I only saw part of the show. (My mom texts me and goes, "They just showed John Lordan on Horror at the Cecil!" She's a fan of yours as well.) The thing that really stuck out to me was: correct me if I'm wrong, but it looked like there was a guy from the LAPD near the end claiming that the public version of the elevator footage is unaltered. Is that not a demonstrably false statement?
40,000 subs wow!
I haven't had a chance to see it yet but I'll say I'm disappointed they publicized inaccurate information. At the very least the information should be as accurate as possible. They should have taken you up on your offer and contacted you!
GREAT SHOW, JOHN! Thank you for exposing the BS. The Elisa Lam case stinks like a CONSPIRACY and there is something very fishy with the so called facts of the case. Let's hope we know the truth one day, it is certainly a weird case. Thumbs up for your excellent research on Elisa Lam! You have made some of the most informative videos about her that you actually have done a much better job covering it than mainstream media. You SO need to have your own TV show, John! Huge thumbs up!
Took a look at "Horror at the Cecil Hotel"part one.. I lived in van Nuys ca. when the night stocker was doing his stuff so that zzz me but..That all was well done I liked it. I still feel since I used to be a bad boy and spent time in down town LA partying on roof top's that. Some one talked Elisa Lam in to clime'ing the fire escape to the roof for drug,s looking like she was on them in the vid. Raped her and took her to the tank. I use to smoke on a roof top only a few blocks from there with a bud since we did not want the smell in the room. Plus the view when your high is grate. Being as that was we were not alone by far with this. Anyway I was born in Los Angeles in 61 a hippies kid and know a thing or two about the place. Peace !
Your language is interesting. That and the fact that you know what goes on in the neighborhood etc, plus my own instinct tells me someone got drugs into her, willingly taken or not, and then got her into the tank. Rape would be a good reason to do that. Thank you for your comment.
One thing that always made me wonder. In the comments of one of your Lam videos I mentioned that a stair, rails and ladder on that roof were painted bright red and maybe they stood out to Elisa the night she was up on that roof and perhaps she followed them to way to get up those tanks. And afterward in the documents from the wrongful death suit the attorneys for the hotel mentioned the bright red ladders as a way she could have gotten up the tanks. Its possible they were visiting channels and pages like yours to find points to address since you were going over the case so thoroughly. Anyway, the tone of the documentary seemed no different than any other sensationalized version of the case that's been put out there and they lost me at the disclaimer in the very beginning "certain events have been altered for dramatic purposes" so I knew this would only be a televised "version" and not the real case.
Elisa Lam had a psych break, ended up in the tank, and sadly died. That is the only thing I believe.
John, Did they do an autopsy? Were drugs found in her blood?
I just read that a judge dismissed Elisa's parents' lawsuit... makes me lean towards more of a police cover up, since law officials have so much internal power :/
john..i think the "original" thumbs down..".3" are the ones that are pee~off about..."where did the road go"? show you did.. and these haters or bashers..are the ones trying to dis credit you...jealous peeps
I’m 200 on the likes......come on people/subscribers.....we can do better than 200👍🏻! Everyone have an awesome weekend 🌸
They have her name on a list of no no words?? I would love to get a look at their list of words/topics you can't say if you want ads. Can anyone out there post it? I'm really curious.
You did not include the autopsy info. The coroner said there was not enough blood in her body to take a sample; that comes from David Paulides. He definitively found that there was NO latter for her to climb up. So how did she get up there??
That's why they did not call you your purse of heart they are not...ty
Did you hear that the Black Dahlia murder case has finally been solved?! Such a bizarre case!
A book has been published by an author claiming it was a former pimp. It may well be true but it's not an officially solved case, unfortunately.
Please tell us the name of the book. It's not Steve Hodel's is it? Thanks
Black Dahlia, Red Rose: The Crime Corruption and Cover Up of America's Greatest Unsolved Murder by Piu Eatwell (A British author)
Definitely one of the top most bizarre homicide cases ever.
WhaaaaT?!?!? No way.....
Here's a case is crying out for a "Case Cracked," though it hardly looks like an easy job: www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/26/ny-woman-missing-since-1975-found-alive-in-nursing-home.html
I watched the first one thought it was interesting but the experts I could take or leave, the second in my opinion way overdramatised and I don't think it was well researched I was disappointed actually and I thought it was leading the audience to think that the hotel guy did something
Time for a new hat John with a 40 on it.
What show was it on
I was bored out of my mind trying to watch it. It’s so much better to just research the events that took place there on your own. Far more detailed and interesting on all accounts.
What’s the deal with RUclips and Elisa Lam?
Why can't you say Elisa lam?
Main thing is for some reason RUclips has a "demonitize any content discussing Elisa Lam" policy, but if you don't monetize it in the first place, then there's no issue. I'm always more than happy to discuss that case for free. She needs to be remembered as more than a paranormal video highlight.
LordanARTS thank you 😊, by the way I LOVE your channel , it's my favorite and I tell everyone I know to follow !!
I can’t believe they didn’t show how easy she could have done this.
Is the hotel permanently closed?
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Good afternoon Shannon..
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Why would anyone care if you’re making money off it anyway? Anyone who watches this channel knows you’re not some overdramatizing ratings obsessed phony. We know you don’t exploit these people’s deaths and that you actually focus on facts and that this is a labor of love for you. But if you DID get paid for your hard work and your time there’d be nothing wrong with that either. I at least hope you have some kind of back end deal Incase it blows up and becomes super successful!