BrainScratch: Martha Jean Lambert - Case Closed?
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first of all I really don't care about being politically correct so I'm just going to say it. so far from everything I've read about this case and now you saying that the brother is claiming he's not that close to his sister even though everyone else said he was is really making me think. And here goes the politically incorrect part. All the signs are there for sexual abuse and or a consensual sexual relationship with her brother. I mean the fact that it was a dysfunctional household not to mention a seventh-grader who is last seen at night in a two piece bathing suit makes me really wonder. I mean what girl at night being that age is okay running around in a two piece bathing suit? that alone is nothing but putting everything together is just very strange. And then you have the sibling that is transgender. In no way do I mean to offend anybody but you have to look at facts there are plenty of statistics that can be looked at that show that sexual abuse at a young age can contribute to gender dysphoria. and I know that's not the case with everyone but I'm just saying when you put everything together there was obviously something very wrong with the upbringing of all these children. I mean she was dirty all the time. And again before anybody jumps on me in the comment section I just want to reiterate that I know that not every transgender person has had an abusive upbringing. I'm just saying that in certain cases it definitely has been a contributing factor in certain people. Anyway I got off track here but what I'm trying to say is what if he got her pregnant or something? She certainly was old enough that it could have happened or if there was sexual abuse between the two something could have happened where he thought she was going to tell. That's the only reason I would think he would deny being so close to his sister because that's just odd that he would downplay their relationship like that. In fact 99% of the time when it comes to a family member or a friend either disappearing or dying people will actually make their closeness sound even more so than it really was. In other words they will actually say they were closer than they really were not the other way around. And even though the brother is a storyteller except for the one time that he contracted his confession all of his stories still had the common denominator of him saying that he killed her. yes he said it was in different spots and he put the body in different places but up until he contracted that statement he was still adamant that her death was his fault. which makes me believe even more so that he killed her and that it was not an accident
This family had abuse going on and instability I will agree with you on that. I did not find anything offensive in your posts either you were just being real but some people are overly sensitive so they will take it personally when in fact its not. Even neighbors said something was not right in that home at all. I can tell you from working in Law Enforcement that things like sexual abuse, growing up in a violent or neglectful environment can lead to those in these households to have serious issues. Like running away, prostitution, drug use, violent tendencies, mental health issues, etc etc. Self harm, eating disorders, again etc. etc.
How to phrase this without sounding crass or insensitive(?) But... If a guy, after accidentally/spontaneously/unintentionally killing his sister, could then simply pick up "a broken piece of road sign" and, with it, then dig a three foot deep grave in which to deposit her body (which, presumably, was just sitting there as he dug this thing --toiling, all the while devoid of either grief or regret) only to leave absolutely no detectable trace of what he'd done (in spite of extensive searches of the area that would include tracker dogs), then I would imagine that there would be PLENTY of plotting or potential murderers eager to ask him just how he managed to accomplish such a feat.
Exactly
Well said. It is hard enough to did a hole for garden plants or flowers unless the soil is very wet.
Could not have put this better myself. Thanks!
I find it hard to believe a 14yr old in *1985* ...from a family as such...had two twenties. Even one twenty.
I wonder if he sold her to some creep.
I didn't think of that. That scenario has validity. And it sounds like the disfunction in the family and their location could have made this possible.
butter face I agree with that. I would MAYBE give my 13 year old a twenty in 2017 if there was some good reason he needed it that day but I doubt I would trust him with $40. I suppose every teen is different though..
I was thinking the same thing.
christie groves and how he was laughing. He had made bank...but then he was embarrassed about for how little it really was...and the end result wasnt what he expected. IDK...I just dont believe the story of him PUSHING her. If he saw her get in a black car...he probably talked her into getting into that black car. He is just too embarrassed now to really admit that to his mother.
Watch the interview. Its pretty obvious how valuable money was to him.
Rae i have a 16yr old...and I try not to give her $20s...i give her $5 a day...that gives her just enough for lunch...any more and she has money for things I haven't approved. And STILL she wont eat and save my $5 a day (probably to buy weed...idk)...1985...its not happening. As a matter of fact..i just gave her a $20 and was not comfortable w it. She did get two lunches and got her snake some mice..w $ left over...that is just something you dont hand out to a young teen without a job.
I think he was abusing hervin some way, either physically or sexually maybe even both. Also you won't believe just how violent siblings can he towards each other, my brother was extremely abusive to me but my mom would just see it as "boys will be boys" but I'm sure if he wanted to kill me he could of. Idk how well teens can hide bodies but I wouldn't put it pass them.
Tuesday Janae I'm so sorry you had to endure that growing up. I think it happens more than people realize...but because it's immediate family, it goes largely unreported. I hope you're able to find peace and forgive him and your mother...I had to do the same thing with my abuser. It helps to heal the pain. ❤️
My best friend was raped by her brother. For a long time it went on. She told her stepmother, and her father and stepmother sent her to live with her alcoholic mother in another state. She ended up living in various homes through high school. Her brother was put through medical school by her father. Guess what he does for a living? He's a pediatrician. Lovely, isn't it? I think it happens more often than people realize. Aside from rape occurring...Siblings in general can be really nasty to each other. I can definitely envision an accidental death occurring, and I can envision something worse occurring. The whole thing is just horribly sad, because at the end of the day, that poor girl is gone.
I can easily believe it. I had a friend who was molested by her brother as well, and I remember her agonising over whether to go to university or not, because on one hand she desperately wanted to leave, but on the other, she didn't want to leave her younger sister in that house without her protection. Hell, even in my own family, I'm sure that some people would call the way my sister and I beat the hell out of each other as being at least disturbing, if not abusive. The only comment it really got back then was that pounding on each other wasn't very ladylike (!?!?), and that being slightly older, I should be more mature than to hit my sister back when she started shit. We're friends now, but boy do I have some stories to tell my little nieces! ;D
@@laurenmclain6378 Has your best friend ever considered pursuing this legally? I realize that's a hell of an ordeal, but if the parents knew and did nothing about it, that's 3 people for prison time. I imagine when interviewed they'd admit to knowing as if sending her away was the acceptable thing to do. Makes my skin crawl.
I think the brother is likely responsible, but I believe something more sinister happened to her. He implies that his sister punched him in the face first causing him to react and push her. Making it look like she was the instigator in the situation seems all too convenient.
Case not cracked in my opinion
I would say case not cracked, not even close. The brother keeps changing his story and that is all the "evidence" the police have. I'm not completely familiar with the investigation process, but what struck me as very odd is the mother(probably nearing her 70s) being brought into an interrogation room for SIX hours while the investigators try to convince her that one of the confessions from her son is what really happened. Without any hard evidence do the cops need the mother's approval to close the case? Why would they put her thru that? I have never heard of such a thing.
i would like to see how much force it takes for a skull to be impaled.. i just dont see a kid getting pushed and that much trauma happening and then no body no bones the bull shit about a change of behavior of the dog.. ive been around search dogs in the army and they either hit or move on so yeah just another case going left ya know!! Great work and video as always my friend!
I don’t believe that a 13 can hide a body so well that it goes undiscovered still to this day.
jesse jesse absolutely
jesse jesse I agree
I also agree.
So agree. I'm looking at my 14 year old son........no WAY.
So true, and in a place where other people could, and would come by all the time.
He probably did kill his sister (which is why he keeps saying he did and confessing but then gets scared and recants) but it didn’t go the way he said it did. Maybe it wasn’t an accident but he says just enough to get it off his chest and will not give the actual place her body is because then they could prove that his story isn’t true... Anyway, even though I think we know he did it, I still don’t think the case should be closed.
Reminds me of Tara Calico: www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/5orxpa/tara_calico_about_as_resolved_as_it_can_get/
This little girls face shows she had a hard life . Just hope that after all the things she missed out on -true justice isn't one of them
I don't consider a case cracked until there is a body and the remains can corroborate the confession or proof. But that's just my opinion.
I don't believe that a 14 year old could hide a body so well that it goes undiscovered for so long... If the grave was three feet deep then I believe someone would have at least found SOMETHING when the area was leveled.
Lunar Butterfly unless you grewup watching things like this and have some smarts...I was pretty intelligent at that age even...im not saying he didn't have help. You'd just be surprised how smart some teens are.
Why are there so many inconsistencies in the basic information surrounding this case? Some say she went to a friend's house after school until around 7:30, then went home and ate dinner with her brother before going back out and never returning. Her mother says they were at a neighbor's house when she left, claiming she would be right back. It should have been fairly easy to pinpoint her actions before her disappearance, so why do the stories vary so drastically?
Also, the fact that her mother got so upset with the police for searching the woods behind their house seems odd to me. Just because she was under the impression her daughter was abducted doesn't mean the investigators aren't going to delve into other possible angles - especially considering the fact that she comes from an abusive and dysfunctional family. Not to mention the strange brother who came out of their house laughing and refusing to say why before going on to change his story multiple times, as well as the other brother who doesn't even have an alibi and nobody seems to know where he was at the time she went missing. All of this aside from the fact that her brother David actually came out and admitted to accidentally killing her over 20 years after the fact - yet still, no progress has been made.
What a sad and tragic story. While her family hasn't exactly earned my respect or sympathy throughout, I would still like to see some sort of justice and/or closure in this case, even if just for Martha's sake. RIP little one. You will always be remembered, though I wish things could have gone better for you. ❤️️
What a good and thoughtful post.
I find the whole story suspicious. I can't find logic in most of the account. A bathing suit in November? A teen hidding a body so well? I'm my mind, it's definitely not a case cracked. His story about her falling back and impales herself on a sharp object just seems so odd...and the argument over money, i dont know, it just seems so weird. An inkling tells me foul play was involved and her family was somehow Intentionally involved. Such a sad tragic case
so-bright-i-cant-see as far as the bathing suit situation goes, it's not unusual for it to be around 70-80°F here in November
They're in Florida... every day is bathing suit weather hahahaa. You must not know a whole bunch about that state, im sorry. At least now you know its not unusual to be in a swim suit at that time.
Wow it 2:00am here in New Zealand and suddenly my favourite show comes on, thanks John! Love your work.
perArdura McIntyre Anutha kiwi here n I agree..best RUclips channel by far!
To my cynical self, this looks bogus, NOT CRACKED! 1) Police are too eager to shut this down. 2) The 20 hours' questioning seems too long. Is this legal? 3) The confession to the mom seems staged, especially with the off camera meeting -- coaching? 4) If the father was abusive, is it likely the sons were warped? We're the sons abusing the sister? 5) Cops should know about self-serving stories--he might have murdered her, for which there is no statute of limitations. 6) Why didn't they ask him for a polygraph, since there's no evidence?
Congrats on the 40k subscribers John! Can’t believe I’ve been watching since 3k - I swear your the only one I have continued to watch every week since I subscribed. 😂 anyways, the whole confession sounds weird, like they are making him say it! Not sure I think it’s a case cracked. Any chance the dad did something and this David kid felt some sort of loyalty to him?
He has 60k now lol
I feel like he was responsible for her death but refuses to tell the full truth, so he makes up details and locations.
Same here. He probably withheld the body location back as a safety net just in case that he might get charged with murder, at the same time made the confession just to relieve his conscience, "There, Dear God, i confessed." just so he wont go to hell.
So I wonder if David ever explained why he came home laughing...
Clearly her eldest sibling is trans or at the very least we know their current name is Cynthia, why refuse to use it and refer to them as such? Really disappointing as a new trans viewer to see this from you. Especially when so many trans people are victims of violence, murder, and missing persons cases themselves.
yael smith he clearly cares about People in general. I don't think he meant to offend in any way. Even when being open to these changes it's very easy to make mistakes from habit etc...he's reading off of articles who are referring to the people a certain way or gender. I don't think it was intentional. I hope you don't hold a grudge for his mistake...
👏👏👏👏 i know right? i was shocked so this behavior from John, and the fact that none of the top comments are calling him out is very annoying!!! Even if Cynthia is a murderer, SHE still has the right to be addressed by the right name and pronouns. All that deadnaming was giving me so much angst.
Sorry for the late reply, he is not trans, it's just another one of his lies! Just like he faked being paralyzed so he could live in a nursing home and live off our taxes, he's a sick person making workers clean his ass and give him bed baths! But I don't think he killed his sister either, he's just looking for another home and thinking prison it will be and also looking for attention! I am sorry for his mom!
If the brother's confession is real it's mighty "wrapped up in a bow" convenient.....like a TV show or something. No one got in trouble so the confession obviously was in his benefit. Allegedly.
Hhere's the thing about bodies and construction. I have actually heard of situations where building is going on and either a burial mound or a body may have been discovered but because of the law it will just be disposed of and never spoken about. If at any point something was found there is a good chance that whoever was in charge may have said to get rid of it somewhere else because otherwise entire projects have wound up being if not stopped forever at least halted for long periods of time resulting in loss of profit. Anyway I don't see why he would confess to accidentally killing his sister if he was not the one. it's very possible that the way he said it happened is not how it actually happened however I can't see him putting himself on the line like that if he was not involved in any way. The only way I could see something along the lines of that happening would be if the death was not accidental. but I still think he did it. Plus since he could no longer be charged he might have actually Ben Smart when he said that he is because it sounds to me like this was no accident but he's using this as an excuse because he did in fact kill her and now it doesn't matter if the body is found somewhere else because he's already come up with his story
John you are so good at what you do, keep it up!
Isn't he awesome!
i remember when he had less than 5k subs i always felt like he'g grow
So happy it's Friday ! Thanks John.Okay this is an odd one,the length of the confession really bothers me. I can picture them giving him scenarios and after him being there for so long he could have simply broke. You have to validate a confession with details and there is none. I also wonder why the Mother is asked to come in.The police do not determine the crime it's the district attorneys office.How much time pass for them to determine that he would not be charged?Did they then bring in the Mom?The police would usually wait to talk to the Mom because she could be involved with a cover up? Usually they don't play social worker? It's odd and I don't understand how he could dig a grave with a sign that's 3ft. I remember when we had to bury a beloved pet that three ft took a long time for 2 people to dig. Why did they not tape a reenactment? I have another problem with this area being where all these individuals are but nobody sees this at all? I have even more difficulty with this odd detail that she was playing in a two piece bikini! Also I have a problem with the statement and his speech because he is obviously not the author of it. I am thinking about how you said she disappeared one day before thanksgiving but he says they went out because the parents were fighting over a burnt turkey ? So there's some things that he is clearly remembering. Is it possible that he and a neighbor killed her and he is smart enough to know that he shouldn't lead them to her body because it's going to tell a different story? I don't know if he has the insight to even understand that. I can't believe that they even listed her as a possible runaway! How many 12 year olds run away in a bikini with nothing and start over in a new place?None.This case is firmly still open in my mind.I wish that a different investigator from another area would look at this case from the beginning without any preconceived notions.
Charisse Linnell-Morton it took me 2 hours to dig a grave 4 feet deep for a horse
I can't wrap my head around the fact that this KID could have hid the body with no trace evidence. A blow like that would have had to leave some blood, and did anyone search that school at the time she went missing?
A two piece bathing suit in November??
Crystal Velasquez In Florida, yes.
Lou Sozo Ah. Great point. Thanks lol
Crystal's always the first to like her own comments
And wasn't it night time ?!?
That could be the way the guys told him to send her to them. no father living in a trailer park, would give his kid that much money. That dad was born in the 1930's and there just is no way. sounds like the bad guy gave him two twenties telling him one for sis and one for you.....have her wear a bathing suit. I get it, its warm in florida but if its anything like az where we get 80 degree days in November, we are acclimated to hot and 80 degrees is sweater weather, 70'a you break out the coats.
Yay! Your numbers are going up! You deserve it! Sorry to be random, gonna watch now
You should put this on id make some big bucks..you have class kindness and empathy..thank you.
Sue M. Gable cause he cares more about the people then the "big bucks" wich is refreshing. For a change.
It's screwed up each way you look at this...if he did do it , he went a heck of a long time with this secret and watched his mother go through hell not knowing AND if he didn't do it then he's playing a pretty cruel game and halting any future investigation in resolving this case. In the end does it really matter? The cops seem convinced and I don't think there's going to be any further search for answers.
Ciara there will be future searches. The case is not closed/resolved its inactive/unsolved missing. The brothers confession did nothing to hurt the investigation. The case is inactive for the time being because they’ve exhausted all leads and have nothing to go on. It’s a really really cold case.
This is a big mystery, I don't believe the confession. I think the officers just want it off their books and went with something that sounded remotely like a plausible explanation. Very sad, this little girl was just dealt a crappy hand no thanks to her parents.
Sun Moon Stars- there's a man who is famous now for sharing the abuse he went through as a child, in Florida. I'll share a link. Anyway he was used and abused sexually from the age of 5, by a whole lot of people, some of which held respectable positions in the community. What if it was the same thing here? Would the police get involved in a cover-up, and coach a guy into taking the blame? I think it is plausible. That explain why they didn't give him a polygraph, and why they led him out of the room before he confessed to his mother.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2905025/I-five-year-old-sex-slave-Florida-man-reveals-childhood-trafficked-FAMILY-thousands-clients-choked-raped-him.html
Thanks for the link, it was super late when I made my comment. Lol. I can see maybe a cover up by her brother, if he was the one who was forcing her to do those things. Which honestly, that really wouldn't surprise me either. Like someone else pointed out, how HE have that much money. I found that part to be a bit odd.
Snapchat randomly showed me this case so i went searching and yay one of my favorite youtubers covered it!!❤❤
Destiny Layman same here, I didn’t get the full story it was faster to come here and low and behold there’s Lorden Arts video
I truly believe, his confession sounds made up... If it was an outright lie and he didn't have anything to do with it or he did it and wants to make it sound like an accident so he doesn't come off like a monster....
Atticrat i think something more ominous happened. Why did he have that much money? I think he is lying. He sold her and is too embarrassed to say. Why else would he be laughing?
Since when is there a statute on murder? He must be very mentally unstable.
I hope he realizes he needs to be honest before he dies. He needs to make it right...for his own soul.
Atticrat i think he took money from someone in a black vehicle to talk her into going w them (thats a lot of $ for a 14yr old..even today) Why else would he be laughing? He had bank. He didnt realize she would never be seen again. He is probably very embarrassed. And "pushing" her into a steal bar is the softer way to say she is dead and not say how terrible it probably really was for Martha. Im sure he is haunted.
butter face Yeah... Totally agree that the money seemed a bit suspicious....
I have no idea why the money seems suspicious. There have been several references that implies a kid that comes from a family that lives in a trailer shouldn't have that much money. In the mid 80s, I know of a lot of times that kids his age had that much money easily, whether they got it on their own or from the family. He could have been selling pot at that age. It certainly has not been uncommon for kids to have more cash than their parents as well.
There are a couple references that use the $40 figure as how much he had. None of the investigation ever stated that, only commenters. The details are that he gave the sister $20, and she returned most of it as change. Later she asked for $20 again. That does not mean that he cannot use any portion of the change she gave back earlier. He could have started out with $30. With the change she returned, plus the additional $10, he would have another $20. That is merely an explanation that he could have had less than $40, but there is never any details stating that he even had any additional money besides the original $20. Just because she asks for $20 again, does not mean that he actually had $20 left. He could have said, $20 is all I had, and you already spent some of that, so I only have the change left. Point, is there is no reason to suggest he even had more than the original $20. So many of the comments have been based on other comments that are based on an idea, nothing from the investigation.
Regardless, of the possibility of him maybe having only $20 to begin with, I would suspect that he might have had much more, especially if he was selling dope. The sister might have known, after all they all live under the same roof, and are friends enough to get away from home together. The brother could have an allowance, he could have been selling video games, any number of reasons why kids can have some cash. If he only had $20, why would he give all of his money to his sister. It could be that she is 'borrowing" and has promised to pay it back. For whatever reason, he did not want to give her $20 again. It could be because he has has other ideas how he wants to use the money. At this age, the kids are getting alcohol from somewhere, and it isn't free.
Even if the story had stated that he had $100 and gave her $20, I don't think it odd that a kid his age would have that much. I have been surprised at how much some kids had in the 80s, but were from relatively poor backgrounds. Cash was not a big problem for kids his age, that I assure you.
You can go look at the Google Streetview of the street they lived on, and you will see that the entire street is trailers, some doublewide. Doublewides are not cheap. In the south, especially in that area of Florida, Trailers are very common. The people that I have met that live in trailers, never seem to be low on cash, and generally have the latest cars and trucks; it has little bearing on whether they are poor or not. They are just frugal people is all.
Some have very common blue-color type jobs or professions that make decent money, even small business owners.
The dad was an alcoholic. Alcohol doesn't come free. The family probably were not as broke as some have make it sound. After all, the dad was in his 70s when the wife was in her 30s. That's a dude that has some appeal, and likely some money.
None of the investigation has ever suggested the family was poor; only the videos on RUclips mentioning they lived in a Trailer. From that, people came up with the rest that it had to mean they would be poor, and kid would be suspicious for having any cash. Sorry, but not so.
The money he ending up having is what gets me. Unless his parents were drug dealers, or he was, 20 dollars was near a whole grocery trip in the mid 80s. This is also Florida, again in the 80s, so a lot of shady drug and sex stuff was going on. If he was hanging around shady people, it could very easy for him to have sold her, if even he didn't think it was permanent transaction.
i’m surprised that i haven’t heard of you before. i heard Danelle Hallan name drop you a few times in her videos and stuff and i finally decided to check you out. i’m glad i did! you give very good research and insights into cases and i’m definitely going to stay subscribed to you.
this is such a strange case and i definitely have the same sentiment as you on this. they might have a confession but i don’t think that it equates to the truth.
Dorthea Darko I also learned about this channel from Danelle Hallan who I am a longtime subscriber too and these two are collaborating on a podcast so excited. Both awesome youtubers go you guys. So excited you are teaming up cannot wait.
I think the whole family is in on it.
This same thing happened in my family. My brother disappeared when he was 22 and 20 years later his best friend confessed to 5 murders and my brother was one of them. He said his buried my brother in an area where he also buried his girlfriend he murdered years later. They search the area which now has a college and houses on it. They found the girlfriend's remains but never my brother. The guy still was charged and found guilty of my brother's murder.He received death and 20 years later is still in prison in California because they don't execute people there anymore.
My mom passed away a few years ago never having any remains to bury. I think that always bothered and hurt her until the day she died.
I honestly believe they would have found the remains during the excavation, not overlooked them. And too many people give false confessions after long interrogations.
How in the hell can cops get away with interviewing people for 20 hours?! Blows my mind.
Not sure if anyone else pointed this out, but in the article where it states that, it says there were three separate interviews. "We talked to him for 20-some hours," said Tice. "There were three interviews. The first one was in August, and that one lasted about 8 hours."
So I'm not sure if they mean any of the interviews were 20 hours straight or if it was 20 cumulative hours. Either way, even 8 straight hours is quite a long time.
Caroline Marie Thanks for the info- but I agree too. 8 hours is way too long. But even then, having to go back again and again for interview after interview is probably going to make you tell officers what they want to hear. I understand that they want as much information as possible, but a 20 hour long interview process is ridiculous. That’s how you get false confessions, which happens more often than a lot of people will talk about. Thanks for the details. :)
That's serious stress and sleep deprivation. Should be a crime against humanity.
I’m an archaeologist and by law before any project that gets federal money has to do an archeological investigation of course there are loop holes for things like painting lines. When the road was widened they would have found her.
Nope. Case is not closed. David's most recent "confession" sounds like a scene from a bad B horror movie.
I don't buy his story of her being impaled through the head simply from tripping from being shoved. Even if the object was really sharp, you still have to have a heck of a lot of force to accomplish that. Sounds like he's watching too much "Final Destination". Maybe not 100% impossible, but I still don't buy it.
Back in the mid 90's, I hiked to some hot springs with friends one day, and when we got to the springs themselves, we came upon three people, one of whom had tripped, fallen, and impaled their leg on a tree root sticking out of the ground. My boyfriend at the time was an Army Ranger, so he was able to run back down the trail several miles to get help. The person was in shock when we got there, but they survived. I don't know what happened afterward. My point, is that people can impale themselves on things, and it can happen when they fall. The root wasn't extremely sharp, but the force of the person falling, etc...was enough that it went all the way through the person's thigh. I don't know about metal going through a person's skull, but I think it's possible. It depends upon how sharp the metal was, how hard she came down on it, her weight, the angle of the metal as it hit her, etc...All kinds of factors at play, but I definitely think it's possible. Was the brother telling the truth? That's a another issue...
I'm a nurse and you're right to be suspicious. It's not impossible, but I find it very unlikely.
Huge huge congratulations on 40k subscribers x 😘💁👌
This case is far from solved. It’s still full of unanswered questions.
Right on, awesome work as always, especialy in pointing out where and why you aren't buying this one. Even if the story was believable, there's apparently no due process of law to prove anything at all. I'm with ya.
Case not cracked. Thank u John for continuing to shine a light on these questionable cases. Hopefully this one stays in the media and puts some pressure on the police Dept bc I don't think the evidence is there.
I don't buy this. I'm a nurse and it's extremely unlikely that she would have fallen on a metal pole hard enough to go into her brain stem and kill her. Even being pushed, that's unlikely. A 14 year old burying her in a shallow grave and no remains were ever found? No blood? They had $40 from the parents, in the eighties?
The children were removed from the parents and put in foster care before this happened due to the father being abusive and the mother's alcoholism. I'm guessing that the parents did it and this guy is taking the blame. I'd confess to anything if I was interrogated for 20 hours. "Mitigating circumstances" made them not press charges? No.
Did not know the kids were put in foster care before this happened wonder if their was a event that occurred before she went missing that could give us some answers. The event that lead them being put in foster care because its rarer then you think.
Yes I believe the father, or oldest brother did something to her and the youngest brother either knows or suspects they did something to her and so he confesses so that they continue the search for her and hopes to find her body. I don’t believe a 14 year old can hide a body that well and dig a shallow grave while her body decomposes and no one can find her body all that time? Even The Peterson case and Scott Peterson with all his planning was found guilty. Also Didn’t they search the college grounds before his confessions?
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Questioning a 14 year old for 20 hours?! It honestly sounds like the police just wanted this case to go away. Was anyone significant retiring? Police chief, sherriff etc? Could they have wanted the case ‘solved’ by any means necessary so they could retire with a ‘clean’ slate, all loose ends neatly tied up? Whatever happened, i don’t believe for a second that a 14 year old could bury his sister’s body using random debris and do it well enough to keep it hidden for this long. Even with the construction work going on, you see it on the news when it happens, a digger is moving this pile of stuff and WAIT STOP WE HAVE A SKULL HERE! Something would have turned up somewhere.
As for David laughing as he came out of the house....that could have been literally anything. Teenagers have weird thought processes, I remember being one lol. So the laughter could have been anything from ‘lulz that thing my friend said to that teacher was hilarious’ to ‘tee hee hee, I’ve had that naughty magazine under my mattress for 3 whole weeks now and my mum has no idea!’ To ‘perfect timing, I got away with that w**k’. Unless the Mum told him his sister was missing and he specifically laughed in her face as a response, I don’t think the laughter is significant here. And even then, inappropriate laughter is a very real thing.
It sounds like the brother hurt her, called someone, and they came and picked her up where "the dogs changed their behavior", which may mean the dogs lost the scent. She may still be alive, depending on what happened after she was picked up.
Even though a confession, it could be false. Others have done that for many reasons whether it be for attention, mental illness, or covering up for someone else or a situation because they'd get a lighter sentence or none at all. The accident is probable but why not come forward then if really an accident? Plus recanted and talk of emotion? Some are good actors...this needs investigated properly with fresh eyes.
I know I over post but to put 20 acres in perspective I grew up on 33 acres until I moved at fourteen. 20 acres is a lot trust me. So my college debate self googled how many acres is a football field, google says 1.32 acres. The brother could not have narrowed it down more then what roughly would be fifteen football fields in size.
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Thank you for covering this case, John! I live in St. Augustine and this is the first I've heard of it. This is the perfect chance to recommend another case from this area. The murder of Athalia Ponsell Lindsley and Frances Bemis. This is a famous case in St. Augustine that I was already going to recommend before watching this video. I truly feel the case deserves more attention and I believe it would make for a great Brain Scratch episode. You do a great job covering these cases. Keep up the good work!
What about the parents? Has anyone bothered to question the parents? Have these low educated detectives and comb the area where her brother said he buried her. Also, investigate the brother again, mention neighbors, investigate the neighbors and the people near by where she disappeared.
At 15:30, no body not solved. Sounds like a story to me. Additionally, the body is not found where the supposed perpetrator says it should be. Not cracked.
Maybe her brother was doing something with her or something along the lines of that
JMHO but I do believe that David did it but he's making up a story about what REALLY happened. From the beginning of the story, I thought "the brother did it" right away.
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Please do a video on Emily Hieber from Yuma Arizona.
This doesn't sound right. Coupled with the fact that he has been in trouble for forgery and other crimes after the killing, why should anyone believe what this guy is saying? He took his sister to an abandoned building, to play?? Then they fought for $20?? Then she fell on a metal thing? What metal thing? And lastly, he buried her and they couldn't find her? At least her bones would be there. Ridiculous!!
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He"s a mental cse
Good morning! This is a hard one, I completely agree with John about not knowing if this is solved. On one hand even without the fear of being charged, why would a brother admit to this? If police were behind this "confession" why wouldn't they just get some random person/criminal to falsely confess knowing they couldn't be charged if the story he/she gave was that it was an "accident" this is definitely a tough one. Speaking of not knowing if a confession is legit, BrainScratchers should check out the new series on A&E called The Eleven, it's about Edward Howard Bell, seems super interesting, this guy confessed to killing all these girls in the 1970's but now is saying he didn't do it...xoxo
Can’t the police give David a polygraph test???? And Im wondering if he was abusing her and he killed his sister when she threatened to go to their parents.
Did I miss anything about him taking a lie detector test?
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Another truly curious case! Amazing job
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Need more than confession.
Wow unbelievable... Why wouldn't they at least give him a lie detector test. I know that doesn't stand up in court but at least that's something. Also if it was such a short, shotty, hastefully dug grave (with a street sign?) they really couldn't find it? Idk this really is a Brain scratcher....
Why must there always be questions in regards to every case closed. It seems that every case that the Police solve you question whether it is true 😩. And I know that you keep wanting a body but there are many people in prison for murders where no body was found. That doesn't make them innocent. So do you really believe that Joran Vander Sloot is not guilty because you can't find Natalee Holloway's body? There are many things in history in which there is no proof as you call it. But we take as fact because someone confessed to it. This happened in 1985. We didn't have the advanced abilities we do now so the evidence is unfortunately lost. Hell I was 26 in 1985 and buried my sweet puppy behind my house. The area has been leveled and dug up and new housing built. It would not surprise me if you couldn't find her remains. Not to mention animals disturbing the body. The school has been torn down and earth moved. And you think that prostitutes or drug dealers are going to report a body if they came across one??? Come on! Sometimes it is just as it without any dog and pony show people. Let this poor girl rest in peace.
After thinking about this one for awhile, I've come to similar conclusions. I don't think it likely that David himself is responsible for Martha's death. If he is, then it looks like he is psychologically impaired - to the point that he doesn't remember or has blotted out what the crime actually was, where it occurred, and what he did with the body. I think that David may have been indirectly involved. Maybe he witnessed Martha being taken away by one or more people, and thought whatever was going on was a harmless, inconsequential, even humorous thing... Then when she didn't return home, he realized the seriousness of the situation. I don't think I, or most of us, would have acted this way as a kid, but as I said, maybe David is unwell psychologically. As was mentioned, David could have also conspired with others to do something else to Martha, and things went wrong. And David was threatened to keep quiet. It's sad, but it feels like we'll never know the truth :(
how and with what did he bury or hide body? a rotting corpse ..in an area that was frequented with kids...the smell...the officers are really in control of the thinking and speaking in this session, of everyone ..i get the impression the cops just want to wrap this up at all cost..the suspect did cry ..and seemed truly sad..no body ..no shovel to bury..very vague as to what happened to her after death..they are acting like psychiatrist ..i don`t know
rene gronewald- who's to say that he isn't crying because he is being forced to lie, with him and the cops knowing who really did it. I think it's a cover up for someone powerful. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2905025/I-five-year-old-sex-slave-Florida-man-reveals-childhood-trafficked-FAMILY-thousands-clients-choked-raped-him.html
David Lambert confessed to accidentally killing Martha Jean Lambert several times & burying his entire sister in several different places so since he probably made it up , no body was found & they were both minors at the time prosecuting him is useless or impossible
There's no way at the age of 14 this guy dug a 3 foot grave with a road sign. Anyone who's ever dug a hole knows this effort would take a long time. And no one noticed him digging, and no one ever thought to look in that area at the time of the immediate search? Bollocks.
It quite possible David did kill her, but I don't think he knows how to tell the truth, and I'm not being facetious. He literally doesn't know.
This may be a bit far fetched but I think the brother did it just like he said but, unbeknownst to him and very luckily, someone else discovered the body, likely a drug dealer or prostitute who frequented the place, sometime after and they decided to move the body simply because they didn't want the Police to charge them with something they didn't do. I don't think they would've reported the body with their record/profession and the prejudice attached to it, plus knowing what the police are like and the likelihood of people reporting getting arrested, etc. Sure, they could've left the body where it was, but maybe they touched it and didn't want their fingerprints turning up (they were probably already on the system). In 1985, I don't think they would've been aware of DNA profiling but they may have thought that it was less riskier to move the body and bury it somewhere unlikely to have been discovered!
Lots of ???? Why was this young girl just going out in her bathing suit? In the trailer park. Tells her mom shell be back in 5min and thats somehow normal? 2. Why does a 14 year old have so many $20 to just be passing around? My guess.... he or they were prostituting this poor girl. Brother was getting paid for it and didn't want to give his sister the money, which is why they were fighting. Or he sold his sister to those werdos in the van. Or he was selling drugs and something bad went down and they took his sister. Why else would a young girl in a bathing suit be walking around an area known for prostitution be dressed like that?
Totally believe he's responsible for her death. Why lie about it? He was young and dumb... probably still ill...
It’s possible he did it but is lying about where the body may be. It’s fucked up either if he did it or didn’t. Don’t confess to shit if you really didn’t do it because that’s fucking sick. One thing I hate about detectives is that they just wanna close cases without really looking into shit. Why not talk to the other siblings at least? Like jeez! Somebody knows something and if somebody saw something or knows something they need to come forward.
I would love you to look into the Heather Elvis disappearance from Myrtle Beach, SC and see what info you can find. I know quite a lot already but curious to see what you come up with.
I think, perhaps, that he took back his confessions, because his mother forced him to do it. The mother is convinced that she was kidnapped, so, if they close the case, they’ll no longer search for her. MAYBE that’s why he recanted his confession.
Not cracked. This confession could have been given under duress. 20 hours? I think something to wonder about is could getting a close in the case be beneficial to the police? Does any of the cops have political aspirations? Closing her case would be something to hang a hat on.
I can't call this a case cracked either. I do have a theory. I think it's possible that maybe he tattled on Martha for something and maybe their father killed her during a beating. That might make him feel responsible. If he has emotional problems after years of abuse, he might still be covering for their father out of some convoluted sense of either fear or loyalty. Or, maybe their father drummed it into his head that he WAS responsible because he was a tattletale. Abuse isn't always physical.
The whole family should be arrested..
Where is the loving father that cares about his daughter or an uncle or a brother that gives a s***.
There are places in the United States. and thank God there are. where this would have been taken care of before the end of that business day..#. Take care of your family..#. Do what needs to be done
after 20 hours I would say what they wanted to get away from them.......I think David did fight with his sister....but in the trailer and she stormed out....thats why he feels responsible....if she was were he said she was....she would have been found sooner
Idk..how did no one find her remains in the leveling of the building? Maybe they did but didn't want some kind of hold up in any building resurrecting? Is there anything there now?
Easy, very very easy to hang with you through videos! As Ashley Courtney put it "you are so good at what you do, Keep it up!" Me best to the girls mother, but I also struggle to get past the points presented in the video...
I don't believe he told the truth about what he knows! He probably didn't kill her but knows what happened to her and fears what would happen to him of he opened up! There's more to this still yet!!!
Th case is still an unsolved missing persons case in the eyes of the sheriffs office. It is inactive for the time being because they’ve exhausted all leads and possibilities. It will be active again when new or substantial information comes in. The brothers confession did little to nothing to close the case. It’s still an unsolved missing persons case.
I just want to point out that you and apparently google are incorrect about the location of the memorial college. There's a website call histiorcaerials.com that you should check out. It shows the exact location.
This case cracked or solved without a body or evidence based on the words of a proven Liar isn't enough in my opinion.
How old was the other brother? Who is he protect maybe knowing now that they can't touch him? I thought I heard there was 2 maybe wrong maybe that was his dad?
These prank calls and false/fake leads need to stop or have some type of harsh punishment. How is this funny or entertaining.
There is a special place in hell for those who hurt kids even if they are kids too. They are bad seeds and should be charged as. adults. If it was not the case,than why would David lie?
Forced into confessing?
Doesn't sit right with me, not at all. I could type three paragraphs as to why but it seems obvious so I won't!
I agree with you....its not solved...so sad...I hope her mother gets some concrete answers soon