"Water shapes its course according to the nature of the ground over which it flows; the soldier works out his victory in relation to the foe whom he is facing.” -Sun Tzu
as a huge RTS fan i'm also considering it, i just feel like i'm waaaay behind the curve here. my ideal would be a board/card game version to enjoy nowadays!
@@tomasbar1101 disagree vehemently. It's really fun to play. Just picked it up again after 5 years hiatus, and I had simply forgotten how fun it is to play. I absolutely suck now compared to what I used to, but I don't even mind because I'm having a good time.
HAS suffers from CPD. A severe disease perhaps better known as Compulsive Proxy Disorder. The symptom is the same for all patients, although HAS is distinct in the manner that he is the only one suffering from this usually crippling disease, that has been able to use it and make it a positive diagnosis.
Is this proxy robo? No, I said I would stop guessing. Its... its just a pylon? Another proxy pylon? Proxy Stargate? Proxy Robo? Its a Nexus? What?! Oh, proxy twilight, of course. L O L Nice knowing we are all confused. Not just Kelazur, Nerchio, and Showtime.
Sure, it was proxy, but the key point is it was never scouted. Kelazhur was in Has's base all game and never saw it, thus never expected the game winning storms. Seems like an worthwhile thing to hide. If he found it and took it out at some point, he wins that one.
Has deserves the appreciation, doing crazy stuff like this requires a deep knowledge of the game.. :P I like that winter knows this :) There are many haters to what Has does, but in his own he is unique and he makes things happen where any other player is just like WHAT IS GOIN ON ?!
im sick of all the casters calling it cheese. this game can be played many different ways and THANK GOD Has does. its amazing and so fun to watch. i watch all of Has matches because its not the exact same boring shit time and time again.
Absolutely. I was watching this and thinking wow, this is actually a really fun series of SC2. Meanwhile over on SC1, this sort of thing is far more common and it makes the game very fun to watch.
lat0us when you listen to the casters. Especially the NA ones they definitely consider "cheese" bad. Even saying it's bad for SC and it's ruining the match
lat0us yeah id say cheese is like something that noobs would do to win easily or some kind of tactic that is almost broken and breaks a kind of gentlemans agreement on how the game is to be played. to me personally if its in the game its there to be used and any type of play is fair you just have to know how to counter it.
Storms have always been a totally over powered ridiculous aspect of Starcraft that everyone just accepts.. The storms is the cherry on the overkill sundae. If u got storms and immortals... chances are ur not gonna lose the engagement.
@@frankhungtw I am fifth degree grandmaster with diamond tiger stripe..At my level we are banned from competing for money. We are only allowed to compete in private tournaments
Cheese is considered something that is commonly defined as non-meta, but cheese has another "requirement". Its cheese if on paper the strategy "shouldn't" work.
Cheese should not be long-term oriented, close the game as soon as possible. Has definitely did not plan for a long term game as he allowed probes to die while it can be save very easily
@Tam le, I don't think that not long-term oriented is a very good definition of cheese. How do you differentiate a cheese from an early all in? Like I said before cheese is something that shouldn't work on paper. Cheese should be something that if you told your opponent before hand what you were going to do it would never work. If Serral told me that he was going to play late game macro against me then I'd lose, because the information that he'd play macro wouldn't be enough to give me an advantage. If Serral told me he was going to 1 base ravager rush, I'd still probably lose, because Serral is so much better than me that my mirco would fail. However, If Serral told me before we started that he was going to drone rush I'd win, because on paper when both sides are ready, drone rushing isn't viable. However, every now and then drone rushing can take a game off someone that it really shouldn't because they weren't ready for it.
Probably one of the best sc2 games i've seen. Great play from both, highly entertaining, tons more than your average pro game. I feel sorry for Kelazhur, he did very well.
watched it live(interwebs) and the casters for has were amazing for wcs valencia actually :) But the games were just so good so I didn't mind watching them over again :D
The Deep Mind AI does not calculate, it is a neural net based system. Yes number crunching is going on but it is not doing what the old school game engines in chess for example are doing in their games. DM's AI's actually attain a grasp of the game in a similar way as humans.
Has is a completely unique player because he plays every game at a "random" level of creativeness. He goes all in in every game, because every game is a different canvas for him to try his ideas on. Mozzarella or no Mozzarella - his creativity and the ability to put his opponent on so much pressure on so many angles is indeed a show to watch. The dynamics of his "way" of playing are beyond explanation. Don't try to understand or explain, just watch and immerse yourself. Thank you for the great commentary!
This is why the very first thing I do is spam the lowest tier trash units and harass the crap out of my opponent, and just never stop. Oh wait that's because I'm zerg.
Even by the definition of cheese being bandied about here, I'm not so sure the way Has played in the last game would count. Yes, he chose to make a stargate at some random location to up the surprise factor of the phoenixes when they first appeared. But I'm not so sure he would've been at a huge disadvantage had it been discovered. No, what Has is doing transcends cheese. He has decided that the thing that makes Protoss unique is the flexibility that Protoss has with where units are built and how they move. And he has built a play style around exploiting that flexibility in a very dynamic way. The person who posted the Sun Tzu quote about water has it right.
when i got to 38:20 i had no idea i would rewind so much... don't even play this genre, but that "fluid" drip of troops with the first drip pulling the opposition into a flank was epic. watch the mini map...
In the Americas, if you set up your connection to Brazil, you gonna notice that plenty, not to say most games, are cheeses of such we had here. They start in Silver 1, and it's so tiring to climb up the league, and so many different cheeses, that at the end, you figure out you need to master the game in the Silver League in order to counter or predict what's happening. For a new player trying it out, it's so stressful, intimidating and energy draining, that most stop trying it out and never leave the Silver/Gold League. It's interesting to see Winter surprised, and maybe this happens due the fact he's used to the higher leagues, and maybe, it doesn't happens often. When I watch his coachings in the Platinum and Diamond league, I can't believe how people in such leagues are playing, and just how they got such rank. This just indicates, obviously, that rank doesn't means anything at all, and what matters are the experiences, also the patience to grind up the league. Ps.: Since I have nothing interesting to do, and I keep watching the video and thinking to myself, I must say that if even Winter, with such experience, is unable to predict the game, and answer accordingly, imagine a new player, or a not-so-skilled player like me trying to get motivated by playing in the ranked, lol. This only shows that the game can be played in different ways, different ways that aren't been played in the championship, thus the difficulty to predict and fight against it. The shield batteries exploit, for example, the proxies and plenty of stuff that doesn't allow the game to take its apex, the apex that was supposed to reach. Unbalanced, broken? I don't dare to say such things due my lack of experience, but that it's not motivational for new players, that I must confirm.
1:02:23 No... his robo was already started before he threw down that gateway. You just thought it was a robo because you didn't look at how much the robo had already progressed.
I come back to this time and time again after seeing a normal match to just get me in the mood for starcraft since here the "normal" is broken, for Has by defaults it's his style, for Khelazhur because he had to adapt, thus resisting quite long, even if unable to win due to being on foreign ground. And I just noticed that the last game has had Has freestyling all the way through and even played macro, something that he doesn't usually do. And did it nice.
Have to say, the old overlay just looks soooo so much cleaner And while we do need more of these personalities and unique situations in the game (better maps too), there's still just something so different and better! about this era Like the little nook by the main ramp to hide things a little more? Unheard of in the last 5 years
This is how I play my Protoss, I build adepts as reapers, zealots as marines, and immortals as tanks, and get charge and upgrades and a-move. Terran main here. Warp prisms is what I wish all my Medivacs could be.
You are wrong winter. HAS just putted tons of cheese between the pages of the book and ate it like a sandwish along some wine since he got hungry while filling the whole protoss school of what to do with termites in order to bring it down just because they asked him to things in the standard and predictable way.
Was I the one that came here expecting some new way of making/cooking/eating Cheese? Me: Oh a video named: You HAS To See This Something Cheese, maybe its something good. Wait why is there a probe?pylon?Oh,oh,oooo. "Starcraft Cheeser". I really wanted that imaginary cheese :/..
“You must be shapeless, formless, like water. When you pour water in a cup, it becomes the cup. When you pour water in a bottle, it becomes the bottle. When you pour water in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Water can drip and it can crash. Become like water my friend.” - Bruce Lee
If you know the enemy and yourself, you will succeed in every battle. - Sun Tzu
You can't know me, if I can barely know me - Has
HiopX If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle. ~Sun Tzu
well that came to my mind instantly
"Water shapes its course according to the nature of the ground
over which it flows; the soldier works out his victory in relation
to the foe whom he is facing.”
-Sun Tzu
"Forgot the keys in the car trunk" ~ a guy on the motorway
What is tactics if u cant use them - Has
> sees has
> tries has
> makes bronze league heroes
If you watch this twice, Has will still do something different and blow your mind....
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Challenge accepted. I'm a newbie so most probs this may work for times more than 10 🤐
Everyone else is playing checkers.
Has is playing cheese.
Your opponent won't know what you're doing if you dont even know what you're doing
way too accurate description of HAS
Jigov /r/whooosh
-Imaqtpie
That is my strategy as well... but it is not that effective when I do that ;(
LOL
An Adept morphing into a Marine at 31:42
Wtf
X-Files theme plays
what even the hell happened there?
Lord Brimshaw Duke-Wellington magic!
He canceled the fade from the zealot at the same time the marines spawned out of the barracks
This is the type of creativity I always wanted to see in pro player matches. Where someone actually attempts those theoretical strats.
Laughed so hard at the sudden chargelot army from out of nowhere that my nose burns from spewing dr pepper out my nose XD
so mlg
"Now I really like to pride myself usually in having an idea of what players are going to do. I have no idea what's going on." @1:40
I died
that's how you know shit is real.
lost it right there. -)
Winter "so it looks like has-"
Has "bold of you to assume"
Watches 3 minutes, thinks video is over, notices the hour long video
HOW
Not how. Has!
that was exactly me. i don't even play SC2 nor did i really have a clue what i was watching. but amazing!
SepHir0tH77 same here but I watched like 3 games before i watched this and its amazing how different they are
Edit: im definitely gonna download sc2
as a huge RTS fan i'm also considering it, i just feel like i'm waaaay behind the curve here. my ideal would be a board/card game version to enjoy nowadays!
SepHir0tH77 You should check out a game called They Are Billions, it is a single player RTS lite game thats a lot of fun.
I dont even play Starcraft 2, but this was highly entertaining.
yeah i dont play starcraft 2 but i enjoy watching these videos
Sc2 is free if you were wondering btw.
@@MsNotorials I actually bought it a long time ago but never played.
Thats the thing about sc2, its fun to watch but not fun to play unles you're a pro
@@tomasbar1101 disagree vehemently. It's really fun to play. Just picked it up again after 5 years hiatus, and I had simply forgotten how fun it is to play. I absolutely suck now compared to what I used to, but I don't even mind because I'm having a good time.
HAS suffers from CPD.
A severe disease perhaps better known as Compulsive Proxy Disorder.
The symptom is the same for all patients, although HAS is distinct in the manner that he is the only one suffering from this usually crippling disease, that has been able to use it and make it a positive diagnosis.
It is now contagious.
Positive diagnosis because he Has it. Positive prognosis because he kicks serious buttocks with it.
Is this proxy robo? No, I said I would stop guessing. Its... its just a pylon? Another proxy pylon? Proxy Stargate? Proxy Robo? Its a Nexus? What?! Oh, proxy twilight, of course.
L O L
Nice knowing we are all confused. Not just Kelazur, Nerchio, and Showtime.
Sure, it was proxy, but the key point is it was never scouted. Kelazhur was in Has's base all game and never saw it, thus never expected the game winning storms. Seems like an worthwhile thing to hide. If he found it and took it out at some point, he wins that one.
-My favourite player is Has he is the master in cheese
-You meant chess
-.... nooooo
The master of chees
has vs cripseil for sure need to be seen :)
+sylvain brethes I can't find any Has vs. Cripseil matches.
TheReaverOfDarkness ....... he meant it has to happen
Has deserves the appreciation, doing crazy stuff like this requires a deep knowledge of the game.. :P I like that winter knows this :) There are many haters to what Has does, but in his own he is unique and he makes things happen where any other player is just like WHAT IS GOIN ON ?!
The bigger topic is that a guy like HAS could never play this way unless he uses the supreme OP race with all the tricks
god damm now for 3 week in a row every toss on the lader will do this
Michael Straub-Riedler lmao has has the weed goin for him
Haha yes
It's still going on
"is this WCS or Cirque du Soleil"
im sick of all the casters calling it cheese. this game can be played many different ways and THANK GOD Has does. its amazing and so fun to watch. i watch all of Has matches because its not the exact same boring shit time and time again.
Absolutely. I was watching this and thinking wow, this is actually a really fun series of SC2. Meanwhile over on SC1, this sort of thing is far more common and it makes the game very fun to watch.
cheese is not a demeaning term, it just means unconventional play. Has does bring out cheesy play, and yes, it is awesome.
lat0us when you listen to the casters. Especially the NA ones they definitely consider "cheese" bad. Even saying it's bad for SC and it's ruining the match
It totally is a demeaning term, they use it all the time for some strategy they think aren't normal to the meta.
lat0us yeah id say cheese is like something that noobs would do to win easily or some kind of tactic that is almost broken and breaks a kind of gentlemans agreement on how the game is to be played. to me personally if its in the game its there to be used and any type of play is fair you just have to know how to counter it.
I love how has gets no tech ever but the last game drops 3 perfect storms
Haha exactly
That all in the mind game, make them think you never do things then do them when they are not expecting them.
Storms have always been a totally over powered ridiculous aspect of Starcraft that everyone just accepts.. The storms is the cherry on the overkill sundae. If u got storms and immortals... chances are ur not gonna lose the engagement.
@@Guinea54 wow ur such a good player with great perspectives. I would say GM if I were to guess ur rank but what do I know
@@frankhungtw I am fifth degree grandmaster with diamond tiger stripe..At my level we are banned from competing for money. We are only allowed to compete in private tournaments
is this considered cheese?
Good play, creative, not like any other game.
I love shit that breaks the current meta, way more interesting to watch
Cheese is considered something that is commonly defined as non-meta, but cheese has another "requirement". Its cheese if on paper the strategy "shouldn't" work.
Cheese should not be long-term oriented, close the game as soon as possible. Has definitely did not plan for a long term game as he allowed probes to die while it can be save very easily
@Tam le, I don't think that not long-term oriented is a very good definition of cheese. How do you differentiate a cheese from an early all in? Like I said before cheese is something that shouldn't work on paper. Cheese should be something that if you told your opponent before hand what you were going to do it would never work. If Serral told me that he was going to play late game macro against me then I'd lose, because the information that he'd play macro wouldn't be enough to give me an advantage. If Serral told me he was going to 1 base ravager rush, I'd still probably lose, because Serral is so much better than me that my mirco would fail. However, If Serral told me before we started that he was going to drone rush I'd win, because on paper when both sides are ready, drone rushing isn't viable. However, every now and then drone rushing can take a game off someone that it really shouldn't because they weren't ready for it.
There is no set way to play a race, you dont have to follow a certain way to play the game. Has proves this.
You are the last one to cast this game but most enjoyable to watch. Love HAS game and loves your cast.
Good commentary, really got me into it. First starcraft gameplay i've ever watched, just stumbled across this video and watched the whole thing lol
37:56 One of your better analogies winter
Probably one of the best sc2 games i've seen. Great play from both, highly entertaining, tons more than your average pro game. I feel sorry for Kelazhur, he did very well.
This was the most insane thing ive watched all week
watched it live(interwebs) and the casters for has were amazing for wcs valencia actually :)
But the games were just so good so I didn't mind watching them over again :D
Love winters reactions when he gets befuddled confused or generally amazed at whats happening
Watch Has v Serral. If you liked game one of this series...Has does it Serral 4 games in a row.
Those final storms awesome as fuck. Absolutely like a work of art.
THIS game kept me guessing and made me realize I knew nothing. Super unorthodox match of toss
kroooassant they removed Mothership Core from the game, and added shield batteries instead :)
Its like he has his hands around his neck, and is being pummeled bloody, but just wont let go.
"Has was in the driver's seat, and we're never sure how many DUI's he's going to rack up, but at the same time he get to the destination."
I've never even played Starcraft before and I know how much cheese that was.
"Immortals... we'll put their name to the test"
* Protoss builds shield batteries and Warp Prism *
"Oh shit"
40:03 - That solo marine had to shit his pants and like "Guys wtf halp!"
Game 2 17:10
Game 3 29:05
Game 4 45:17
Game 5 57:00
The mass zealot strategy brings a tear to my eye. I was a pioneer of that back when I played.
he looks like that guy who trolls scammers, but with the BEST FUCKING ACCENT known to mankind
One of the best and entertaining finals!
this wasn't finals
Yeah, ro16 on wcs Valencia 🔥
we just gonna ignore the epic music sync at 39:50?
I have no idea how this game works, but the guy seems hyped and happy.
it is like Has just play for fun the entire time! and that is what make him charming.
That DeepMind AI will have such a hard time beating a player like HAS because no amount of calculations can predict what HAS will do next
The Deep Mind AI does not calculate, it is a neural net based system. Yes number crunching is going on but it is not doing what the old school game engines in chess for example are doing in their games. DM's AI's actually attain a grasp of the game in a similar way as humans.
38:35 wait for the zealot charge and the music timing like WHAT THE FUCK!! FROM THE NORTH TUUMM TUUUMMM
For the first game he said it early on, "It's an all out send. All he has to do is live." Well call him Harry Potter cuz he's the boy who lived!
Has is a completely unique player because he plays every game at a "random" level of creativeness. He goes all in in every game, because every game is a different canvas for him to try his ideas on. Mozzarella or no Mozzarella - his creativity and the ability to put his opponent on so much pressure on so many angles is indeed a show to watch. The dynamics of his "way" of playing are beyond explanation. Don't try to understand or explain, just watch and immerse yourself. Thank you for the great commentary!
If you didn't put HAS in the title I would have assumed this was a diamond level game.
Naw this was high quality playing, except game 1
Easily one of the most exciting series of matches I've seen. Both are incredible players.
"he may be found, because the next map... is lost and found" that is one for the books,
54:57 "he's Terran through everything"
This is why the very first thing I do is spam the lowest tier trash units and harass the crap out of my opponent, and just never stop.
Oh wait that's because I'm zerg.
idk how i missed this gem until now, but thank you recommended videos lol
dude your casting is so entertaining, keep it up dude. Really love the enthusiasm
after the first game everybody besides his oponents has to love HAS!
Even by the definition of cheese being bandied about here, I'm not so sure the way Has played in the last game would count. Yes, he chose to make a stargate at some random location to up the surprise factor of the phoenixes when they first appeared. But I'm not so sure he would've been at a huge disadvantage had it been discovered.
No, what Has is doing transcends cheese. He has decided that the thing that makes Protoss unique is the flexibility that Protoss has with where units are built and how they move. And he has built a play style around exploiting that flexibility in a very dynamic way.
The person who posted the Sun Tzu quote about water has it right.
*long silence*
"And that was game 1..." is the single best line throughout the video
Your commentary is the best here, i laughed so hard :D Thank u
when i got to 38:20 i had no idea i would rewind so much... don't even play this genre, but that "fluid" drip of troops with the first drip pulling the opposition into a flank was epic.
watch the mini map...
this is the starcraft i remember, treat every unit like a hero. profit
Awesome to see a nexus outside of the predefined locations!
Incredible games... thanks for bringing the best of StarCraft to the crew Winter!
Haven't watched SC or your stuff for ages... what a series to come back to :D
during the last battle, all HAS needed to do was micro his army...
You HAS to love the thumbnail
Great series, thanks for uploading it to youtube dude.
Most players:
Speed of thought > speed of execution
HAS
Speed of execution > speed of thought 🤐
This is not you ordinary cheese. This is pule cheese.
In the Americas, if you set up your connection to Brazil, you gonna notice that plenty, not to say most games, are cheeses of such we had here. They start in Silver 1, and it's so tiring to climb up the league, and so many different cheeses, that at the end, you figure out you need to master the game in the Silver League in order to counter or predict what's happening. For a new player trying it out, it's so stressful, intimidating and energy draining, that most stop trying it out and never leave the Silver/Gold League. It's interesting to see Winter surprised, and maybe this happens due the fact he's used to the higher leagues, and maybe, it doesn't happens often. When I watch his coachings in the Platinum and Diamond league, I can't believe how people in such leagues are playing, and just how they got such rank. This just indicates, obviously, that rank doesn't means anything at all, and what matters are the experiences, also the patience to grind up the league. Ps.: Since I have nothing interesting to do, and I keep watching the video and thinking to myself, I must say that if even Winter, with such experience, is unable to predict the game, and answer accordingly, imagine a new player, or a not-so-skilled player like me trying to get motivated by playing in the ranked, lol. This only shows that the game can be played in different ways, different ways that aren't been played in the championship, thus the difficulty to predict and fight against it. The shield batteries exploit, for example, the proxies and plenty of stuff that doesn't allow the game to take its apex, the apex that was supposed to reach. Unbalanced, broken? I don't dare to say such things due my lack of experience, but that it's not motivational for new players, that I must confirm.
1:53 nearly killed me "I have no idea what's going on"
Haha "When he is in the drivers seat, we are never sure how many DUI's he is going to rack up"
1:02:23 No... his robo was already started before he threw down that gateway. You just thought it was a robo because you didn't look at how much the robo had already progressed.
I wasn't sure about you at first, Mr. Announcer, but you've won me over. Your enthusiasm is catching. :)
I come back to this time and time again after seeing a normal match to just get me in the mood for starcraft since here the "normal" is broken, for Has by defaults it's his style, for Khelazhur because he had to adapt, thus resisting quite long, even if unable to win due to being on foreign ground. And I just noticed that the last game has had Has freestyling all the way through and even played macro, something that he doesn't usually do. And did it nice.
Have to say, the old overlay just looks soooo so much cleaner
And while we do need more of these personalities and unique situations in the game (better maps too), there's still just something so different and better! about this era
Like the little nook by the main ramp to hide things a little more? Unheard of in the last 5 years
This is how I play my Protoss, I build adepts as reapers, zealots as marines, and immortals as tanks, and get charge and upgrades and a-move. Terran main here. Warp prisms is what I wish all my Medivacs could be.
and add archons, storms, colossus, forecfields, and disrupturs to that mix
Cast more Has games please!
The probe recall hit me hard XD Oh damn
You are wrong winter. HAS just putted tons of cheese between the pages of the book and ate it like a sandwish along some wine since he got hungry while filling the whole protoss school of what to do with termites in order to bring it down just because they asked him to things in the standard and predictable way.
6:32 The proper way to say it is "He could leave the two immortals stranded." LOL
Has will split your army until you are alone.
1:01:10 That's a gateway, the robo is in the back.
He just gave his tank to the protoss (in the first game).
Was I the one that came here expecting some new way of making/cooking/eating Cheese? Me: Oh a video named: You HAS To See This Something Cheese, maybe its something good. Wait why is there a probe?pylon?Oh,oh,oooo. "Starcraft Cheeser". I really wanted that imaginary cheese :/..
This is the craziest game I've seen in a long time. Thank you.
Has thug confirms
Yoinking that man's gold base
the first match earned a sub for the amazing cast and worship of the protoss demon HAS
Not sure if I love Has or love Winter casting Has.
This HAS had a good idea and not the worst micro with prism in the first game. We have to admit it.
He, Has, has had some interesting strategies prepped. Thanks for the content.
what a great first game, legendary.
38:24 - Has just Poling him apart rite now
“You must be shapeless, formless, like water. When you pour water in a cup, it becomes the cup. When you pour water in a bottle, it becomes the bottle. When you pour water in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Water can drip and it can crash. Become like water my friend.” - Bruce Lee
man now I want to start playing Starcraft again
I fear no man, but those storms... they scare me.
That first game was intense! I hope the rest of them are as good!
why am i keep watching these, i only get pumped up and when i came back to the game i just get destroyed and back to the square one.
15:42 top quality music.
31:08 "Morning, Sam" ""Morning, Ralph"
Awesome pic of Lowko on Tychus at the end LOL!!
He is like the Marine King of old O-O
-my favourite player Has the best cheese record
-who is he?
-I told you.
amazing player, really loved the matches. Best ones in a long time.
this guy has really high skills in predation